It's funny as Ahsoka says earlier in the episode, "I'm not here to discuss my past." Then the one person who she really needs to discuss the past with appears. I hope this isn't some dark side trick. I really want to hear this long awaited conversation between the two.
I very much like the notion of the Force helping Ahsoka move past her Master issues. Mr. Filoni has said, time and time again, that it's not time travel, it's not multiverse. This interaction of Anikin, maybe The Father, shows Ahsoka that history's Anikin was going to fall because of Palpatine and no one else. Maybe showing Ahsoka that she cannot be the Master Sabine needs until she also learns to let go. The Jedi's ban on attachments is the same as every other order in history and fiction, if a member has no outside attachments then there is no one standing between the member and duty. The Church, the Night's Watch, the Grey Wardens, Charlemagne Paladins, Athur's Knights, all only had attachments to their order.
You also have to remember during the mortise arc a future version of Asoka came to warn her about Aniken, and if she were to stay with him, she would fall to the Darkside. There’s another lesson that she had to take in and still remember after she woke up on the ship after leaving the Morse temple.
Meg I appreciate your honesty and insight. You’re the most sane and articulate of Star Wars creators I follow. Too many of them are reactionary, negative, and seem to fail to just enjoy what is has been given to us
I don't think Ahsoka knows that Anakin has been redeemed and when Ahsoka was talking to Luke that that event actually happened after what is going to happen in Episode 5 on Tuesday. When Ahsoka was talking to Luke she seemed so much lighter and at peace versus this version which is still burdened by trauma and guilt. I think she will see Anakin's redemption in this episode so she can be at peace and move forward.
Was just talking about this same idea today. BOBF episode hasn’t happened yet, I don’t think. We could see a crossover into the Mandoverse for sure. The Grogu/Kanan parallels with the fire I think are intentional.
Anakin's "I didn't expect to see you so soon" line could be because in his timeline Ahsoka has just left the jedi order. I think that's the easiest explanation. The world between words is a place between time and space, so it could be possible the Force wanted to reunite them there.
I suspect the WBW is a nexus of possible _worlds_ as in World between *Worlds* . So this Anikan could be an image of what he'd be if he'd killed Obi-Wan on Mustofar and never suffered those crippling injuries. Whether a full strength Vader who'd kill and replace Sidious or one who didn't actually become Vader it might be a version who physically found their way into the WBW like Ezra in Rebels and actually pulled Ashoka in like Ezra. Maybe he is just some kind of projection but he doesn't have to be imo.
For my own sanity I wanna say this is Ani pulled from another piece of the timeline within the World Between Worlds and like Qui-Gon guiding Yoda, Ani will guide Snips to her role as Ahsoka the White or at the very least the next phase of her journey. Ahsoka needs closure and that is what episode 5 will be more than likely be so she can be in the right headspace to continue her journey. The Vader theme at the end is hinting at their Twilight of the Apprentice duel I’m sure. I think Snips will go through a journey of tests like what Kanan and Ezra went through in the Lothal Temple in Rebels until she purifies both herself and Ani.
Here's a theory: Ahsoka has been very emotionally stunted this entire show (and even in Mando Season 2 honestly). She was incredibly nonchalant about letting Ezra be lost forever in her conversation with Sabine early in Ep 4. In the World Between Worlds, I say she will walk through key moments in her life like with Rex and Anakin, but will close with the moment Ezra saved her life in the WBW in Season 4 of Rebels. She will be reminded that she owes her life to Ezra and reinvigorated to "wake up" from her emotional doldrums and go all-in to rescue him from the distant galaxy he is in.
The apparition of Anakin is simply next generation AI. When episode 5 opens, we’ll hear him say “We’ve been trying to reach you… about your starfighter’s extended warranty…”
I feel like this will be about as simple as the WBW episode of "Rebels." The exposition has been minimal since episode one, and I don't see Filoni convoluting things more. Look where all those Marrok theories got us ... I just rewatched the first four episodes, and it really seems Ahsoka is embracing a lot of dark side elements, or at least headed that way. She's singularly obsessed with stopping Thrawn and totally seems to forget the promise *she* made to Ezra the last time we saw her in this realm (we all know Bananakin would have kept the same promise, and at the simplest level, we are seeing Hera and Sabine being true to their fam). Further, the non-combat elements of Ahsoka training Sabine have all been, "do as I say, not as I do." We know Ahsoka went dark to get the map info from Morgan, and she totally rages on Shin while being completely off-balance vs. Baylan. I kind of see this next episode being a chance for Ahsoka to reassess her priorities and reset and then return to the physical world in a better emotional place. The way she's been written and directed to this point, it feels (to me, anyway) she has become a lot of those very things that left her disillusioned about the Jedi when she walked away. ok, that's a lot, there, but that's how I'm seeing this play out ...
Agree. Another post likened Ashoka to being the antagonist of the series so far. I completely agree with your post and theirs. At the beginning of Episode 4, when Ashoka was asking for Sabine’s loyalty, I kept thinking, “why?”. Why is this mission an all or nothing event? Why is Ashoka now Judge Dredd? Deciding who should be doing what?
@@johnbarber9417 wouldn't call her the antagonist ... I just see her succumbing to the Peter principle re: being anyone's master. She's in over her head with that.
Out of all of the UA-cam channels that give their theories and ideas yours is the best in the most ground it. I also believe this will be a teaching moment for a Ahsoka, and will help her connect and move on with training with Sabin. It’s going to be super interesting to see how it plays out and how she processes her emotions through the world between worlds.
Having been following SW since I first saw it in 1977 , all the way through now and considering everthing in-between, it feels like I've been stuck in the world between worlds. 🥴😵💫🤭
It could be that Anakin appears as she saw him as his Padawan. She has enshrined his memory. He was much of what she remembers him as being, but there is a bit of "rose-colored" nastalgia, which to me is how we are with those we love when they have passed on. Had Anakin known how she saw him, he would have been moved deeply. The Force is showing Ahsoka HER vision of her lost Master, which to me makes it all the more poignant. In a way, Ahsoka's memory is like our own. We see and remember as we want to see, denying the bad moments, misdeeds, mistakes, and hurt.
I think you’re probably right on all counts. This is Ani as Ahsoka last remembers him and she’s feeling some trepidation and or unease because she knows what happened to him. Maybe he’ll guide her through the relevant events and timelines she needs to experience, maybe it’ll be Mori. Either way I agree that this is meant as both a teaching moment and a weird sort of therapy. Like here’s what actually happened, here’s the alternative, this wasn’t your fault. I also think she’s gonna learn some lessons about her place in the force and how best to make things right with Sabine and help her find her place in the force too. And Sabine’s going on her own journey too. But do you really think it’ll be as late as ep8 before we see Anakin’s true force ghost? Like in Kenobi where we saw Qui Gon at the very end? I could see it being sooner. But you know what I’d love? Whether Sabine becomes a jedi or not, I want Anakin to knight Ahsoka and maybe bestow the rank of master on her. A bit ironic I know. But man I’d get full body chills.
Yes, often times the simplest answer is the correct one. I think you’re right, this is just a force projection of her memories and fears and Anakin will lead her through her doubts. It’s what kept her from training Grogu and Sabine. Once she returns, she will have her confidence back and become Ahoska the White.
I doubt it’s The Son, I mean the World between worlds alone is already a pretty wild concept and be very new and weird to casual fans, adding literal gods into the mix is probably a bit far for now
I think Meg is wildly off with the analysis here. I think you have to start with the most probable narrative purpose Ahsoka conversing with Anakin has-- well it's a dual purpose really: 1) how to defeat baylan; 2) how to be a successful master. 1) ahsoka really didn't lose to baylan, but he's something she hadn't faced before, a dark Jedi. Anakin is there to provide background info about baylan and to discuss the nature of the force with ahsoka. Filoni clearly operates off a force spectrum Ashla------bendu------bogan Yoda Bendu Palpatine Kenobi Bendu Maul Anakin Anakin Vader Ahsoka bendu baylan (etc) What better place and time to broach this discussion than this point in ahsoka in wbw with anakin?; 2) obviously, if skyguy shows snips Sabine's fall, but just in general it's pretty obvious they'd discuss this, esp with the meta detail of Disney marketing masters and apprentices So yeah, pretty simple, ahsoka in coma/unconscious is the vector for wbw entrance. Anakin is the force ghost anakin, without the ghosting because of wbw, wearing an outfit ahsoka would be more accustomed to, and most importantly with the experience of vader (why the theme) to discuss THE GRAYNESS OF THE FORCE
I hope to god you are right. It would ruin the impact of having Anakin and ahsoka reunite for filoni to pull some crap like people are suggesting. I think you are right tho, and im excited to see Anakin teach ahsoka one last time
@@TisDanskand that’s just another reason I think this is right. Fans have wanted to see an Anakin-Ahsoka live-action reunion. Making it anything else is just cheating fans out of that. And it’d make a force ghost appearance in episode 8 less impactful.
@@TisDansk here's some more inference/deduction from one of the big details of the episode I'm basing the comment on. Jacen Syndulla's drop of the infamous sw "I've got a bad feeling about this." Well now his force sensitivity has to be upheld and further demonstrated, so he has to be the one to find ahsoka. The only way that happens is if she isn't underwater-- he guides hera from the ghost. That cliffside isn't sheer. There are some crags, spikes, outcrops, etc. I think she's really in bad shape: unconscious/ half crushed/ maybe even like impaled. Such critical injury induces the coma which induces wbw. Being there once perhaps has left some kind of imprint on her, allows her to return there in certain states. Could see some kind of badass psychotropic induction of it in the future maybe, etc. it's not going away. Also makes me wonder if Anakin isn't going to be the only one she sees there... though hopefully like you both were saying he is this time. I also hope they FINALLY explain how she did get off malachor!
anakin will complete her training. it's always plagued her...she's not a jedi, she walked away from him, she can't take on an apprentice as she still feels like an apprentice. Anakin will resolve that issue and then she can release her full power
This is a better idea than the usual ones going around. This needs to be her "Balrog Moment" as it were, for her to come back wiser and better to be a true leader into the future of the story. I also now have a theory that Ezra will not be found in the 2nd galaxy, this allows Ahsoka and Sabine to leave in search of him after Thrawn is defeated.
Everyone thinks that the WBW exist to change the timeline when in fact it exist to not alter the timeline. In Rebels Ezra was there to rescue Ahsoka because she never dies in the timeline which in turn Ahsoka was there to tell Ezra not to rescue Kanan which would have killed his other friends and alter the timeline. I think Ahsoka will have to let Anakin become Vader because that is the only way to defeat the Emperor.
I have to believe that the hesitation and timidity that Rosario Dawson’s Ahsoka has shown in all the Disney+ shows is her being set up to let go of the past so she can emerge as Ahsoka “the white”. Like a great test. I also believe that in some way the “chosen one” prophecy involves her through Anakin’s teaching and his final teaching will be for her to let go of him so that she can be all that she is supposed to be! 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾
If you look at his lightsaber. It a combination of anakin and Vader. I see as he is the balanced version of the force. Carries both light and dark with him
I think Baylen sent her to the World Between Worlds (He’s been there… he’s a wolf) to know what he is really doing and to understand his struggle. It’s his cry for help and this is her test.
Interesting. I also feel that the fact it’s happening at the very moment in time when her own padawan just relented to the dark side and Ahsoka sensed it coming “Should I be?” “Can I count on you?” … 😢
I think Morai saved her in the fall. We could see the same scene in the next episode from Morai's point of view flying around and fly down to Ahsoka as she is falling.
I think it is even Simpler then we think..Is it me or is Ahsoka not Orange anymore and her skin is turning "DARKER"....As we see Ahsoka thru the first 4 episodes, also Season 2 of the Mandalorian, "THE JEDI" , she is reveling more and more of her Dark side. He quick temper she has always had and what Anikin has always instilled in her. Bridging the space between Light and Dark, of which she has moved more towards the dark side. In this most recent fight, we see Ahsoka get darker and darker, especially when she thinks Sabine has been killed by Shin, and when she force throws Shin we see the Darker side of Baylan as he actually NOW intends to kill Ahsoka. I think this is when Ahsoka must decide if she is Good (Light side) or Evil ( Dark side) now and the Sister will choose if Ahsoka is still worthy.
Ahsoka’s the new Daughter Anakin’s the new Father & Ezra’s the new Son…this will destroy Sabine…& Hera…as much as I wanna hope Ezra hasn’t fallen…when Ahsoka said if they don’t find Ezra then no one should look for him…I have a bad feeling about this…I’m beginning to think Ahsoka tried to find Ezra in the Force multiple times including a trip to Tython from the seeing stone…& couldn’t find him.
I don't think that it's a coincidence that Ahsoka sees Anakin right at the point he was most susceptible to the dark side. My revelation of this episode was that Ahsoka has so far been the villain of the show and this is her fall. It's sort of an accompaniment moment to the buzz-droids scene (Anakin in RotS and Ahsoka in TCW season 5 finale arc) that showed their departures from the Order. That or maybe it's my cognitive dissonance with Sabine Jar-Jarring emergency powers to the Chancellor...or maybe Rosing the Ezra she loves insteading of Ahsokaing the Thrawn she fears. edit: lol, I would also accept that Sabine realized her gun wasn't going to put a dent into the map-ball and was bluffing to distract Baylan so Ahsoka could get a window. Bluffing's never been her specialty though.
Is like when Ahsoka heard Vader in the Jedi temple on Lothal. Everything is in her mind, in her imagination, that is why when Anakin talk the camera 🎥 is on Ahsoka, not Anakin, because is in her mind.
Ahsoka... what a 4th episode, saved the series. Ans good to see your channel growing. Still my favorite and to think of the days when you had under 4000 followers. Good job.
"Saved the series?". The series was already extremely good before episode 4, its just that episode 4 has pushed the series into high gear (and of course it is arguably the best SW epsiode in years). Ahsoka didn’t need “saving”.
Not a full explanation, but I think it’s here where Ahsoka becomes “Ashoka in White” and maybe it’s here we see the version of the rebels finale with her white robe and staff greeting Sabine. Kind of an alternate version of sorts.
This is just a force vision. Like when Luke ‘fights Vader’ on Dagobah and it’s Luke’s own face under the mask. It’s been used a number of times in the movies as a teaching moment; no reason to assume anything more complicated here.
MEG! Excellent reference to that art work - had forgotten all about it! So very likely that Faloni is still working off of that material. He surely was thinking well beyond the end of Rebels. After all, look at that ending! Great job today!
I think you're spot on that this Anakin is a projection of Ahsoka's psyche. Also I'm not sure if Ahsoka knows Luke yet (as I don't quite get when the BOBF stuff took place in relation to the Ahsoka show), and thought maybe at some point Anakin will reveal he was saved by his son therefore leading Ahsoka to find Luke.
I would also point out that we have not seen anywhere close to every moment of the Clone Wars. It is entirely possible that, at some point late in the Clone Wars that we didn't see on the series, Anakin ended up in the World Between Worlds. I don't think this is likely, but it must be acknowledged as a possibility. If this somehow IS the case, it could be that while he was there he saw an older Ahsoka in trouble and it was he who pulled her through the portal much like Ezra did before. No matter what the circumstances end up being, i am very much excited to see next week's episode.
Something you mentioned Meg is making me crazy, that it is not the World Between worlds, but something else. Maybe Seatos has strong connection to the force like “Ahch-To”, so as Rey, Ahsoka is in a kind of force vision.
You put my thoughts down on words better than I could. This is the Anakin as she last remembers him and the one that is closest to her heart. Next one will pull our heartstrings as only Filoni knows how to, these days. Great theory video, thanks!
I do think that Ahsoka is dead or near death. I thought it was the ghost of Anakin, not necessarily a force ghost. It could be the brother telling his sister/Ahsoka that he had not expected to see her so soon which implies death or a vision of a meeting to occur.
Yes, I agree, all is not what it seems, but I don't think it's the brother from the Mortis arc. I'm more in the camp that it's similar to the tests that Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka went through in the Lothal temple, before going to Malachor. It may also be a guide to help her move past what she feels over Anakins fall to the darkside. It wasn't her fault, he was already on that path when he slaughtered the sand people, Palpatine has already started to poison his mind. I also hope it's a total surprise as to what is going on, that would be cool, Filoni is a clever writer and the Marrock reveal proves that, even though it had leaked, it was still cool, to see all those theorys as to who it was get chucked in the bin, so to speak, I had a bit of a chuckle too.
I enjoyed and like your theory! I agree that the more complicated the theory, the least likely to be true. But I still like listening to them. Looking forwarding to see how it will play out- it's going to be great! (Also thanks for not sharing the leaks. Bring me in cold!)
I saw another theory where they state anakin could have answered the calling of the father mortise God and taken his place. Making anakin the balancing mortise God which would alow him to truly be "the chosen one" who brings balance to the force just like the father mortise God did. They use this as an explanation as to why we don't see much of his force ghost in the movies and shows. After he died and became a force ghost he was still strong enough in the force to take the father mortise gods place like he wanted anakin to do and in the world between words he may be strong enough to fully bring him self back to solid form. It is an interesting premise, and one I would like to see explored.
I believe Ahsoka might still be in the process of falling off the cliff while having all her experiences in the WBW. She'll wake up when she hits the water🤷♂️ I'm wondering where her Owl is, perhaps it's Anakin? What I like about this show, is that I can speculate. It makes it more fun for the audience. I don't know why anyone would want to see leaks. It just ruins the experience.
Ahsoka and Anakin haven’t had a true conversation since they were in the war. Even the end of CW didn’t really feel real since Anakin was being obsessed with the safety of others .
I doubt Feloni would call it the World Between _Worlds_ plural if it didn't access all the possibilities the fact of time travel implies. No idea what that makes this guy but it could probably be anything from a projection of a version of Anikan who wasn't crippled by Obi-Wan and never died to a version who never became Vader at all and never died, if it's actually him at all.
Ashoka already got over Anakin turning to the dark side , after they duel in Rebels , when Ezra took her into the world btw worlds , she told Ezra when he tried to save Kanan that he can't save his master like she can't saved Anakin , that means that she accepted Anakin's fall into the dark side , and that there was nothing that she could've done to prevent that
Not sure everyone knows this? But Anikan's favorite color is black, that's most likely why he's wearing these instead of what he wore at the end of The Return of the Jedi. The same with Luke, his favorite color black too. They were breaking the trope of villains wearing black by wearing it too. That's awesome to me. 🐋🌌✨️💖
To much guess work, theories and hopes. That’s why fans are disappointed when they finally air. Then they blame the movie makers. Just be patient and wait for it to finally air.
The world Between worlds (WBW, or "Dubbydub", as I call it) is where the cosmic and living force allows you to see fateful moments in order to learn. Do you earn that privilege somehow? I don't know. It can't be time travel, that would be terrible for Star Wars. I hope someday a group of characters decide to destroy all the portals to it. Maybe Ahsoka is about to have like a near-death experience, Star Wars version of A Christmas Carol where she's visited by not literally Force ghosts but characters from past and present. We are with you Filoni, don't fumble!
There might be a portal to WBW in the waters where Ahsoka fell. It might be Anakin still, what if he when becoming a force ghost chose the appearance of himself before it goes bananas. Or the force ghosts always appearance as how the viewer remember them. Nevertheless I still think that if Ahsoka had stayed with Anakin and rejoined the order. Anakin wouldn't have turned. So therefore she had to leave somehow for Palps plan to work
Id say this theory is the one that makes the most sense! I too think this is some kind of teaching moment, i dont think its the Brother. Casual watchers would be like who dat now???
My guess is that this is indeed Skyguy from the past, but as per the way the World Between Worlds works, he'll have to return through the portal he came from. Probably I'm way off.
Did Anakin pull a know when not to kill to spare her the mistake that may have lead her to the dark side? Hence the walk down memory lane to see how her training may have put her is jeopardy if she continued under the path she's on. Following Anakin as he flashed Vader as she followed and remember the clone wars with Anakin and the Three.
A have a Theory is Crazy but Make sense Ahsoka was in The World Between Worlds the whole time and was we see was a deam Vision, Ahsoka looked like she was Asleep.
Far simpler....Baylon said her and her master only death and destruction come from them. She carries that with her. Its a reflection. A dream in the Force sequence
Its not the imperial march, its Anakin's theme, which shares the phrase several times, at its finale. Regardless the Anakin we see has a purpose specifically to change Ahsoka. Like you say, regardless of the manifestation's malice or benevolence it is for a tragic prurpose that teaches her. Maybe why she becomes "Ahsoka the white".
I think your theory is closer to what will be revealed in the next episode. I think the force is trying to help Ahsoka release her past and move forward, stronger than she has been since the past has been holding her back,so to speak.
If the Anakin in the World Between Worlds is really how Ahsoka last remembers him, then why Darth Vader’s lightsaber? As Morai appeared in Rebels Season 4 when Ezra entered the World Between Worlds, as the soul of the Daughter, it would make sense that the Anakin figure Ahsoka sees is Tricks by the Son.
Now I fear E5 may slow down the pace of the series! That happened in Boba Fett when the story stopped for 2 episodes to center on Grogu, his training and Din's visit. The whole momentum of the series changed. Will the same happen here?
Yeah g'day, Ahsoka isn't dead and Seetos is a nexus point. It could be the Son getting payback on his sister the Daughter and Morai it is her insecurities brought on by Baylan and Morgan. The one to watch in the future is Shin and her reactions to Witchpoo. It's goodnight from you and it's goodnight from the broken, cantankerous, belligerent, obnoxious, obstinant, obstreperous Old Fart. Cya round like a rissole.
It's Anakin from ep 3. He has been pulled into the world between worlds! The WBW is a meeting point of time and space, why couldn't he have been pulled in like Ashoka did! Anakin just before he has turned to the dark side.
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"Hello, Snips!"
Such a great moment! 💓
General Skywalker. You are a *bold* one.
"I didn’t expect to see you so soon" - Our Little Ani. 💙
Master?
"Your imbalance woke me from a deep slumber."
It's all just spaghetti on the wall after "Starkiller is Marrok."
It's funny as Ahsoka says earlier in the episode, "I'm not here to discuss my past." Then the one person who she really needs to discuss the past with appears.
I hope this isn't some dark side trick. I really want to hear this long awaited conversation between the two.
I very much like the notion of the Force helping Ahsoka move past her Master issues. Mr. Filoni has said, time and time again, that it's not time travel, it's not multiverse. This interaction of Anikin, maybe The Father, shows Ahsoka that history's Anikin was going to fall because of Palpatine and no one else. Maybe showing Ahsoka that she cannot be the Master Sabine needs until she also learns to let go. The Jedi's ban on attachments is the same as every other order in history and fiction, if a member has no outside attachments then there is no one standing between the member and duty. The Church, the Night's Watch, the Grey Wardens, Charlemagne Paladins, Athur's Knights, all only had attachments to their order.
You also have to remember during the mortise arc a future version of Asoka came to warn her about Aniken, and if she were to stay with him, she would fall to the Darkside. There’s another lesson that she had to take in and still remember after she woke up on the ship after leaving the Morse temple.
Meg
I appreciate your honesty and insight. You’re the most sane and articulate of Star Wars creators I follow. Too many of them are reactionary, negative, and seem to fail to just enjoy what is has been given to us
I don't think Ahsoka knows that Anakin has been redeemed and when Ahsoka was talking to Luke that that event actually happened after what is going to happen in Episode 5 on Tuesday. When Ahsoka was talking to Luke she seemed so much lighter and at peace versus this version which is still burdened by trauma and guilt. I think she will see Anakin's redemption in this episode so she can be at peace and move forward.
Snips seeing the events of ROTJ in TWBW would be so freaking SICK.
Actually that makes a lot of sense. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right.
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Fantastic theory
Was just talking about this same idea today. BOBF episode hasn’t happened yet, I don’t think. We could see a crossover into the Mandoverse for sure. The Grogu/Kanan parallels with the fire I think are intentional.
Anakin's "I didn't expect to see you so soon" line could be because in his timeline Ahsoka has just left the jedi order. I think that's the easiest explanation. The world between words is a place between time and space, so it could be possible the Force wanted to reunite them there.
I suspect the WBW is a nexus of possible _worlds_ as in World between *Worlds* . So this Anikan could be an image of what he'd be if he'd killed Obi-Wan on Mustofar and never suffered those crippling injuries. Whether a full strength Vader who'd kill and replace Sidious or one who didn't actually become Vader it might be a version who physically found their way into the WBW like Ezra in Rebels and actually pulled Ashoka in like Ezra. Maybe he is just some kind of projection but he doesn't have to be imo.
@@johnassal5838interesting take! i like it
For my own sanity I wanna say this is Ani pulled from another piece of the timeline within the World Between Worlds and like Qui-Gon guiding Yoda, Ani will guide Snips to her role as Ahsoka the White or at the very least the next phase of her journey. Ahsoka needs closure and that is what episode 5 will be more than likely be so she can be in the right headspace to continue her journey. The Vader theme at the end is hinting at their Twilight of the Apprentice duel I’m sure. I think Snips will go through a journey of tests like what Kanan and Ezra went through in the Lothal Temple in Rebels until she purifies both herself and Ani.
Here's a theory: Ahsoka has been very emotionally stunted this entire show (and even in Mando Season 2 honestly). She was incredibly nonchalant about letting Ezra be lost forever in her conversation with Sabine early in Ep 4. In the World Between Worlds, I say she will walk through key moments in her life like with Rex and Anakin, but will close with the moment Ezra saved her life in the WBW in Season 4 of Rebels. She will be reminded that she owes her life to Ezra and reinvigorated to "wake up" from her emotional doldrums and go all-in to rescue him from the distant galaxy he is in.
Thats a really great point, and will vindicate Sabine that she made the right choice which imo she did.
I NEED to see a live action Morai. For tattoo design reasons.
The apparition of Anakin is simply next generation AI. When episode 5 opens, we’ll hear him say “We’ve been trying to reach you… about your starfighter’s extended warranty…”
I feel like this will be about as simple as the WBW episode of "Rebels." The exposition has been minimal since episode one, and I don't see Filoni convoluting things more. Look where all those Marrok theories got us ...
I just rewatched the first four episodes, and it really seems Ahsoka is embracing a lot of dark side elements, or at least headed that way. She's singularly obsessed with stopping Thrawn and totally seems to forget the promise *she* made to Ezra the last time we saw her in this realm (we all know Bananakin would have kept the same promise, and at the simplest level, we are seeing Hera and Sabine being true to their fam). Further, the non-combat elements of Ahsoka training Sabine have all been, "do as I say, not as I do." We know Ahsoka went dark to get the map info from Morgan, and she totally rages on Shin while being completely off-balance vs. Baylan. I kind of see this next episode being a chance for Ahsoka to reassess her priorities and reset and then return to the physical world in a better emotional place. The way she's been written and directed to this point, it feels (to me, anyway) she has become a lot of those very things that left her disillusioned about the Jedi when she walked away.
ok, that's a lot, there, but that's how I'm seeing this play out ...
Well put like her resentment is part of turning darker - linked to her blaming herself for Anakin's turn
Agree. Another post likened Ashoka to being the antagonist of the series so far. I completely agree with your post and theirs. At the beginning of Episode 4, when Ashoka was asking for Sabine’s loyalty, I kept thinking, “why?”. Why is this mission an all or nothing event? Why is Ashoka now Judge Dredd? Deciding who should be doing what?
@@johnbarber9417 wouldn't call her the antagonist ... I just see her succumbing to the Peter principle re: being anyone's master. She's in over her head with that.
Out of all of the UA-cam channels that give their theories and ideas yours is the best in the most ground it. I also believe this will be a teaching moment for a Ahsoka, and will help her connect and move on with training with Sabin. It’s going to be super interesting to see how it plays out and how she processes her emotions through the world between worlds.
Having been following SW since I first saw it in 1977 , all the way through now and considering everthing in-between, it feels like I've been stuck in the world between worlds. 🥴😵💫🤭
I don’t believe any thoughts or theories from fans. I will wait and watch.
It could be that Anakin appears as she saw him as his Padawan. She has enshrined his memory. He was much of what she remembers him as being, but there is a bit of "rose-colored" nastalgia, which to me is how we are with those we love when they have passed on. Had Anakin known how she saw him, he would have been moved deeply. The Force is showing Ahsoka HER vision of her lost Master, which to me makes it all the more poignant. In a way, Ahsoka's memory is like our own. We see and remember as we want to see, denying the bad moments, misdeeds, mistakes, and hurt.
I think you’re probably right on all counts. This is Ani as Ahsoka last remembers him and she’s feeling some trepidation and or unease because she knows what happened to him. Maybe he’ll guide her through the relevant events and timelines she needs to experience, maybe it’ll be Mori. Either way I agree that this is meant as both a teaching moment and a weird sort of therapy. Like here’s what actually happened, here’s the alternative, this wasn’t your fault. I also think she’s gonna learn some lessons about her place in the force and how best to make things right with Sabine and help her find her place in the force too. And Sabine’s going on her own journey too. But do you really think it’ll be as late as ep8 before we see Anakin’s true force ghost? Like in Kenobi where we saw Qui Gon at the very end? I could see it being sooner. But you know what I’d love? Whether Sabine becomes a jedi or not, I want Anakin to knight Ahsoka and maybe bestow the rank of master on her. A bit ironic I know. But man I’d get full body chills.
Yes, often times the simplest answer is the correct one. I think you’re right, this is just a force projection of her memories and fears and Anakin will lead her through her doubts. It’s what kept her from training Grogu and Sabine. Once she returns, she will have her confidence back and become Ahoska the White.
Yes. Agreed. I can’t wait to see it!
Yes I believe this is where Ahsoka must choose a side. Light or Dark...Leave the middle to Rey
I have the feeling it's like when Luke went into the cave. Or, when Rey went to the cave. She's seeing what she carries with her.
Yes this. Completely agree. A force ‘teaching moment’.
I doubt it’s The Son, I mean the World between worlds alone is already a pretty wild concept and be very new and weird to casual fans, adding literal gods into the mix is probably a bit far for now
All if these things can be TRUE! Awesome!
Really enjoying the Ahsoka series. Thanks for this thoughtful video. ❤
I think Meg is wildly off with the analysis here. I think you have to start with the most probable narrative purpose Ahsoka conversing with Anakin has-- well it's a dual purpose really: 1) how to defeat baylan; 2) how to be a successful master. 1) ahsoka really didn't lose to baylan, but he's something she hadn't faced before, a dark Jedi. Anakin is there to provide background info about baylan and to discuss the nature of the force with ahsoka. Filoni clearly operates off a force spectrum
Ashla------bendu------bogan
Yoda Bendu Palpatine
Kenobi Bendu Maul
Anakin Anakin Vader
Ahsoka bendu baylan (etc)
What better place and time to broach this discussion than this point in ahsoka in wbw with anakin?; 2) obviously, if skyguy shows snips Sabine's fall, but just in general it's pretty obvious they'd discuss this, esp with the meta detail of Disney marketing masters and apprentices
So yeah, pretty simple, ahsoka in coma/unconscious is the vector for wbw entrance. Anakin is the force ghost anakin, without the ghosting because of wbw, wearing an outfit ahsoka would be more accustomed to, and most importantly with the experience of vader (why the theme) to discuss THE GRAYNESS OF THE FORCE
I hope to god you are right. It would ruin the impact of having Anakin and ahsoka reunite for filoni to pull some crap like people are suggesting. I think you are right tho, and im excited to see Anakin teach ahsoka one last time
@@TisDanskand that’s just another reason I think this is right. Fans have wanted to see an Anakin-Ahsoka live-action reunion. Making it anything else is just cheating fans out of that. And it’d make a force ghost appearance in episode 8 less impactful.
@@TisDanskand why is it so hard to ask for a good, redeemed Anakin to appear?
@@JoshuaWSiegel amen
@@TisDansk here's some more inference/deduction from one of the big details of the episode I'm basing the comment on. Jacen Syndulla's drop of the infamous sw "I've got a bad feeling about this." Well now his force sensitivity has to be upheld and further demonstrated, so he has to be the one to find ahsoka. The only way that happens is if she isn't underwater-- he guides hera from the ghost. That cliffside isn't sheer. There are some crags, spikes, outcrops, etc. I think she's really in bad shape: unconscious/ half crushed/ maybe even like impaled. Such critical injury induces the coma which induces wbw. Being there once perhaps has left some kind of imprint on her, allows her to return there in certain states. Could see some kind of badass psychotropic induction of it in the future maybe, etc. it's not going away. Also makes me wonder if Anakin isn't going to be the only one she sees there... though hopefully like you both were saying he is this time. I also hope they FINALLY explain how she did get off malachor!
anakin will complete her training. it's always plagued her...she's not a jedi, she walked away from him, she can't take on an apprentice as she still feels like an apprentice. Anakin will resolve that issue and then she can release her full power
I think it will be a force well. Like Luke in the tree on dagobah or Rey with the mirrors.
Thanks Meg! May The Force Be With You..Always
You nailed it
This is a better idea than the usual ones going around.
This needs to be her "Balrog Moment" as it were, for her to come back wiser and better to be a true leader into the future of the story.
I also now have a theory that Ezra will not be found in the 2nd galaxy, this allows Ahsoka and Sabine to leave in search of him after Thrawn is defeated.
I like how there are so many theories after each Episode Dave makes :)
Imagine Episode 2 Anakin ends up there.
Episode 3 Anakin shows up like "Hello, Simps."
Everyone thinks that the WBW exist to change the timeline when in fact it exist to not alter the timeline. In Rebels Ezra was there to rescue Ahsoka because she never dies in the timeline which in turn Ahsoka was there to tell Ezra not to rescue Kanan which would have killed his other friends and alter the timeline. I think Ahsoka will have to let Anakin become Vader because that is the only way to defeat the Emperor.
I have to believe that the hesitation and timidity that Rosario Dawson’s Ahsoka has shown in all the Disney+ shows is her being set up to let go of the past so she can emerge as Ahsoka “the white”. Like a great test. I also believe that in some way the “chosen one” prophecy involves her through Anakin’s teaching and his final teaching will be for her to let go of him so that she can be all that she is supposed to be! 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾
If you look at his lightsaber. It a combination of anakin and Vader. I see as he is the balanced version of the force. Carries both light and dark with him
Holy shit I'm sick of seeing this
It's anakins episode 3 saber
Turn the brightness and contrast up and it's very clearly his episode 3 saber
I think Baylen sent her to the World Between Worlds (He’s been there… he’s a wolf) to know what he is really doing and to understand his struggle. It’s his cry for help and this is her test.
Interesting. I also feel that the fact it’s happening at the very moment in time when her own padawan just relented to the dark side and Ahsoka sensed it coming “Should I be?” “Can I count on you?” … 😢
I think Morai saved her in the fall. We could see the same scene in the next episode from Morai's point of view flying around and fly down to Ahsoka as she is falling.
Notice the shadow on the side of his face where his scar should be. It's subtle, but it's there.
Of course she isn’t dead, the show is called Ashoka! And I’m pretty sure this is going to be more then 1 season! Plot armor
I think it is even Simpler then we think..Is it me or is Ahsoka not Orange anymore and her skin is turning "DARKER"....As we see Ahsoka thru the first 4 episodes, also Season 2 of the Mandalorian, "THE JEDI" , she is reveling more and more of her Dark side. He quick temper she has always had and what Anikin has always instilled in her. Bridging the space between Light and Dark, of which she has moved more towards the dark side. In this most recent fight, we see Ahsoka get darker and darker, especially when she thinks Sabine has been killed by Shin, and when she force throws Shin we see the Darker side of Baylan as he actually NOW intends to kill Ahsoka.
I think this is when Ahsoka must decide if she is Good (Light side) or Evil ( Dark side) now and the Sister will choose if Ahsoka is still worthy.
This probably leads to the rumored Mustafar fight scene between Anakin and Ashoka
Ahsoka’s the new Daughter Anakin’s the new Father & Ezra’s the new Son…this will destroy Sabine…& Hera…as much as I wanna hope Ezra hasn’t fallen…when Ahsoka said if they don’t find Ezra then no one should look for him…I have a bad feeling about this…I’m beginning to think Ahsoka tried to find Ezra in the Force multiple times including a trip to Tython from the seeing stone…& couldn’t find him.
I don't think that it's a coincidence that Ahsoka sees Anakin right at the point he was most susceptible to the dark side. My revelation of this episode was that Ahsoka has so far been the villain of the show and this is her fall. It's sort of an accompaniment moment to the buzz-droids scene (Anakin in RotS and Ahsoka in TCW season 5 finale arc) that showed their departures from the Order.
That or maybe it's my cognitive dissonance with Sabine Jar-Jarring emergency powers to the Chancellor...or maybe Rosing the Ezra she loves insteading of Ahsokaing the Thrawn she fears.
edit: lol, I would also accept that Sabine realized her gun wasn't going to put a dent into the map-ball and was bluffing to distract Baylan so Ahsoka could get a window. Bluffing's never been her specialty though.
Is like when Ahsoka heard Vader in the Jedi temple on Lothal. Everything is in her mind, in her imagination, that is why when Anakin talk the camera 🎥 is on Ahsoka, not Anakin, because is in her mind.
Ahsoka... what a 4th episode, saved the series. Ans good to see your channel growing. Still my favorite and to think of the days when you had under 4000 followers. Good job.
"Saved the series?". The series was already extremely good before episode 4, its just that episode 4 has pushed the series into high gear (and of course it is arguably the best SW epsiode in years). Ahsoka didn’t need “saving”.
I was in from the start. I was just shocked to see the animation come to life. My mind was blown from episode 3. Can’t wait for episode 5.
Agreed. It was just another so so and disappointing offering up until this episode. Fingers crossed it keeps going to become something good at last.
Well... If Murray shows up and attack this "Anakin"... We're going to know for sure, Meg.
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Also she has the spirit of the Daughter inside her which makes her also have non-human qualities
Not a full explanation, but I think it’s here where Ahsoka becomes “Ashoka in White” and maybe it’s here we see the version of the rebels finale with her white robe and staff greeting Sabine. Kind of an alternate version of sorts.
This is just a force vision. Like when Luke ‘fights Vader’ on Dagobah and it’s Luke’s own face under the mask. It’s been used a number of times in the movies as a teaching moment; no reason to assume anything more complicated here.
Exactly, Disney is not going that deep. Its just a projection of the Anakin as she lasts remembers.
MEG! Excellent reference to that art work - had forgotten all about it! So very likely that Faloni is still working off of that material. He surely was thinking well beyond the end of Rebels. After all, look at that ending! Great job today!
I think you're spot on that this Anakin is a projection of Ahsoka's psyche. Also I'm not sure if Ahsoka knows Luke yet (as I don't quite get when the BOBF stuff took place in relation to the Ahsoka show), and thought maybe at some point Anakin will reveal he was saved by his son therefore leading Ahsoka to find Luke.
I would also point out that we have not seen anywhere close to every moment of the Clone Wars. It is entirely possible that, at some point late in the Clone Wars that we didn't see on the series, Anakin ended up in the World Between Worlds. I don't think this is likely, but it must be acknowledged as a possibility. If this somehow IS the case, it could be that while he was there he saw an older Ahsoka in trouble and it was he who pulled her through the portal much like Ezra did before. No matter what the circumstances end up being, i am very much excited to see next week's episode.
Something you mentioned Meg is making me crazy, that it is not the World Between worlds, but something else. Maybe Seatos has strong connection to the force like “Ahch-To”, so as Rey, Ahsoka is in a kind of force vision.
Ahsoka had no chance of stopping Anakin from turning only his son could break him free
It’s the witches playing mind games in her
You put my thoughts down on words better than I could. This is the Anakin as she last remembers him and the one that is closest to her heart. Next one will pull our heartstrings as only Filoni knows how to, these days. Great theory video, thanks!
I wouldn’t say this was the last time Snips saw Ani. When they were fighting in the temple, she cracked open Vader’s mask and knew Ani was inside.
I do think that Ahsoka is dead or near death. I thought it was the ghost of Anakin, not necessarily a force ghost. It could be the brother telling his sister/Ahsoka that he had not expected to see her so soon which implies death or a vision of a meeting to occur.
I like the idea of the story deliberately playing into the uncanny valley.
Interesting video, Meg! I think her interactions with Anakin will be a learning experience and she'll come out stronger in the end..
What I really like about the Ahsoka series is that every week we're left wondering about something in the show. It's genius.
I agree. At last we don't know the final outcome.
Ahsoka needs help weather that be from Anakin or his ghost
Yes, the guilt clouds her mind
A storm of emotions
Love how the designed the path in the portal just like in the Portal game 😀🕹️
The son of Mortis now that would be a twist and evil one. Since we know the daughter is part of Ahsoka. Guess on Tuesday we will find out
Yes, I agree, all is not what it seems, but I don't think it's the brother from the Mortis arc. I'm more in the camp that it's similar to the tests that Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka went through in the Lothal temple, before going to Malachor. It may also be a guide to help her move past what she feels over Anakins fall to the darkside. It wasn't her fault, he was already on that path when he slaughtered the sand people, Palpatine has already started to poison his mind.
I also hope it's a total surprise as to what is going on, that would be cool, Filoni is a clever writer and the Marrock reveal proves that, even though it had leaked, it was still cool, to see all those theorys as to who it was get chucked in the bin, so to speak, I had a bit of a chuckle too.
I suspect it's the Mortas Son. The music at the end makes me think that image of Anakin isn't what we think.
I enjoyed and like your theory! I agree that the more complicated the theory, the least likely to be true. But I still like listening to them. Looking forwarding to see how it will play out- it's going to be great! (Also thanks for not sharing the leaks. Bring me in cold!)
A real life “What If” would translate so well here! I hope it’s true!!
This is the way. I have spoken….
I saw another theory where they state anakin could have answered the calling of the father mortise God and taken his place. Making anakin the balancing mortise God which would alow him to truly be "the chosen one" who brings balance to the force just like the father mortise God did. They use this as an explanation as to why we don't see much of his force ghost in the movies and shows. After he died and became a force ghost he was still strong enough in the force to take the father mortise gods place like he wanted anakin to do and in the world between words he may be strong enough to fully bring him self back to solid form. It is an interesting premise, and one I would like to see explored.
I think it's the World Between Worlds, and Ahsoka is seeing Anakin as she remembers him.
I believe Ahsoka might still be in the process of falling off the cliff while having all her experiences in the WBW. She'll wake up when she hits the water🤷♂️ I'm wondering where her Owl is, perhaps it's Anakin? What I like about this show, is that I can speculate. It makes it more fun for the audience. I don't know why anyone would want to see leaks. It just ruins the experience.
She will become Ahsoka the White similar to Gandalf.
Unfortunately I didn’t care what so much about Anakin being in it. Someone needs to convince me that it was an emotionally impacting scene. Help 😭
Ahsoka and Anakin haven’t had a true conversation since they were in the war. Even the end of CW didn’t really feel real since Anakin was being obsessed with the safety of others .
I doubt Feloni would call it the World Between _Worlds_ plural if it didn't access all the possibilities the fact of time travel implies. No idea what that makes this guy but it could probably be anything from a projection of a version of Anikan who wasn't crippled by Obi-Wan and never died to a version who never became Vader at all and never died, if it's actually him at all.
Maybe Ahsoka is in some kind of her own dark side cave like Luke on Dagobah.
Maybe Annakin will help her find Thrawn and Ezra
Ashoka already got over Anakin turning to the dark side , after they duel in Rebels , when Ezra took her into the world btw worlds , she told Ezra when he tried to save Kanan that he can't save his master like she can't saved Anakin , that means that she accepted Anakin's fall into the dark side , and that there was nothing that she could've done to prevent that
Very helpful...you are on to something and I believe your observations are correct.
Not sure everyone knows this?
But Anikan's favorite color is black, that's most likely why he's wearing these instead of what he wore at the end of The Return of the Jedi.
The same with Luke, his favorite color black too.
They were breaking the trope of villains wearing black by wearing it too. That's awesome to me.
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To much guess work, theories and hopes. That’s why fans are disappointed when they finally air. Then they blame the movie makers. Just be patient and wait for it to finally air.
The world Between worlds (WBW, or "Dubbydub", as I call it) is where the cosmic and living force allows you to see fateful moments in order to learn. Do you earn that privilege somehow? I don't know. It can't be time travel, that would be terrible for Star Wars. I hope someday a group of characters decide to destroy all the portals to it.
Maybe Ahsoka is about to have like a near-death experience, Star Wars version of A Christmas Carol where she's visited by not literally Force ghosts but characters from past and present. We are with you Filoni, don't fumble!
There might be a portal to WBW in the waters where Ahsoka fell. It might be Anakin still, what if he when becoming a force ghost chose the appearance of himself before it goes bananas. Or the force ghosts always appearance as how the viewer remember them.
Nevertheless I still think that if Ahsoka had stayed with Anakin and rejoined the order. Anakin wouldn't have turned. So therefore she had to leave somehow for Palps plan to work
A vision like when ezra and kanan in the temple
What if the daughter in the past guides Annikin to the world between worlds to save Ashoka, she gets yanked again by Annikin himself
Id say this theory is the one that makes the most sense! I too think this is some kind of teaching moment, i dont think its the Brother. Casual watchers would be like who dat now???
if this follows clone wars...then she will hear all the jedi voices past and future and that includes rey voice
My guess is that this is indeed Skyguy from the past, but as per the way the World Between Worlds works, he'll have to return through the portal he came from.
Probably I'm way off.
Did Anakin pull a know when not to kill to spare her the mistake that may have lead her to the dark side? Hence the walk down memory lane to see how her training may have put her is jeopardy if she continued under the path she's on. Following Anakin as he flashed Vader as she followed and remember the clone wars with Anakin and the Three.
A have a Theory is Crazy but Make sense Ahsoka was in The World Between Worlds the whole time and was we see was a deam Vision, Ahsoka looked like she was Asleep.
Thanks Meg! 🙏🏼
Its not Anakin, its that damn mouse Darth Mickey.
Far simpler....Baylon said her and her master only death and destruction come from them. She carries that with her. Its a reflection. A dream in the Force sequence
Its not the imperial march, its Anakin's theme, which shares the phrase several times, at its finale.
Regardless the Anakin we see has a purpose specifically to change Ahsoka. Like you say, regardless of the manifestation's malice or benevolence it is for a tragic prurpose that teaches her. Maybe why she becomes "Ahsoka the white".
I think your theory is closer to what will be revealed in the next episode. I think the force is trying to help Ahsoka release her past and move forward, stronger than she has been since the past has been holding her back,so to speak.
If the Anakin in the World Between Worlds is really how Ahsoka last remembers him, then why Darth Vader’s lightsaber? As Morai appeared in Rebels Season 4 when Ezra entered the World Between Worlds, as the soul of the Daughter, it would make sense that the Anakin figure Ahsoka sees is Tricks by the Son.
Now I fear E5 may slow down the pace of the series! That happened in Boba Fett when the story stopped for 2 episodes to center on Grogu, his training and Din's visit. The whole momentum of the series changed. Will the same happen here?
Yeah g'day,
Ahsoka isn't dead and Seetos is a nexus point. It could be the Son getting payback on his sister the Daughter and Morai it is her insecurities brought on by Baylan and Morgan. The one to watch in the future is Shin and her reactions to Witchpoo.
It's goodnight from you and it's goodnight from the broken, cantankerous, belligerent, obnoxious, obstinant, obstreperous Old Fart.
Cya round like a rissole.
Maybe Ashoka’s Anakin meetup will fix her Judge Dredd complex?
It's Anakin from ep 3. He has been pulled into the world between worlds! The WBW is a meeting point of time and space, why couldn't he have been pulled in like Ashoka did! Anakin just before he has turned to the dark side.