Exploring Obi-Wan Kenobi - The Man Who Failed The Jedi (Star Wars)
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Ah yes, the Negotiator
A classic character turned into an icon of fiction. Obi-Wan Kenobi is the gold standard of what it means to be a Jedi, the quintessential emblem of what it means to bring peace and justice to the galaxy.
I love your videos and was wondering if you would ever make a video about the flower we saw that day or as it’s commonly known anohana
Sasuke vid when? 😅
A guy who intended to do right but made several mistakes. And Sage's Rain, if you'd like I can provide more info on Star Wars. In the event you decide to do a video on Luke, just know the Expanded Universe is where his true story is and not that garbage that's the Sequel Trilogy
You summed up Obi-Wan's problem perfectly. He was loyal to the Jedi to a fault. He addressed every situation the way the Jedi Code would expect him to. The problem is, that wasn't the best way to address Anakin's fragile emotional state. Anakin needed a shoulder to cry on, someone who validated his feelings, and Obi-Wan, try as he might to support Anakin, was too entrenched in the Jedi Code to do that. Sadly, Palpatine provided exactly that to Anakin and it cost EVERYONE.
I can't agree more with this comment. Palpatine may have been the one to ultimately exploit Anakin to turn, but it was the Jedi's fault that this happened for not helping Anakin emotionally or mentally.
Anakin definitely wasn’t fully fit to be a Jedi, nor was he fit to be a sith. He was a completely different type of man. He didn’t really have the same moral and emotional disposition as the Jedi and sith. He never wanted power for powers sake and to fuel ego, nor did he desire to follow authority, to conform, and accept the truths of the galaxy. The only selfish characteristic he had was over attachment, but that was largely because his attachments were his only source of true meaning in life.
@@bloodocean8389 I take it farther than that, in a way. Palpatine may have orchestrated the Fall of the Jedi Order, but with the way the Order was already going, presumably without influence from any Sith, I believe it was inevitably eventually going to destroy itself. It might take some time, but if they weren't willing to change, they were going to destroy themselves without the work of any villain. Yoda eventually realized some of the faults of the Order, but by that time, it was far too late.
The Sith and the Jedi are two extremes on the opposite sides of the coin.
Well it isn't exactly the Jedi Code's fault. It wasn't designed to work for those who already had strong emotional attachments outside of the order. People like Anakin weren't supposed to be trained as Jedi in the first place as early in the history of the Jedi it was exactly those kind of beings who gave rise to dark side splinter groups and the Jedi Code was developed as a response in order to exclude those kinds of individuals from force training. For thousands of years afterwards, it was remarkably successful at curbing the number of fallen Jedi with only a handful of cases compared to nearly a 50% failure rate before.
There was a good reason why the Code was designed the way it was. The failure was in trying to train Anakin anyway despite the obvious warning signs.
@@kylepessell1350 the code is flawed by trying to take emotional beings and ignoring their emotions. The sith are flawed by trying to use too much emotion.
Anakin Skywalker = unstoppable force
Obi-wan Kenobi = unmovable object
*immovable object
True, unless Obi-Wan has the high ground.
*immovable
you just described their lightsaber forms XD
Actually, Obi wan was the unstoppable force, and he turned Anakin into an immovable object…
The loss of Qui-Gon was really devastating to the Jedi as a whole. As much as I love Obi Wan he was not the right teacher for Anakin. Qui-Gon had this way of being able to connect with people and meet them on their level and you see that from the few interactions we see him have with Anakin. Anakin’s skills with the force and lightsaber was never a question it was always about getting him to balance and channel his emotions
obi wan truly was the older brother figure, not the father
@@reinaldomartinez13 but force damn it he tried his best.
@@stingerjohnny9951 So civilized
Qui-gon specifically had a hard time with his actual Palawan Obi-Wan because he couldn't connect with him and meet him at his level. Dont make up hypothetical situations just look at the ones you can see with your eyeballs
@@aroccoification clearly I’m not making it up and seeing the amount of likes including from the creator of the video a lot of people see what I see, you just have a different perspective and that’s cool
I think that Obi-Wan's moments with Satine and Anakin/Ahsoka during the Clone Wars really gave a sense of humanity to him
I think to some extent, Obi-Wan knew about Anakin and Padme were much closer than before, but he wouldn’t ever throw anakin under the tracks for it. Because of his love for Satine. He wouldn’t do that to anakin, when he himself had a love. Even if slightly, he was willing to bend his beliefs to try to help his apprentice.
If I remember correctly, in the Revenge of the Sith novelization, Obi-Wan admits to Padmé that he always knew about her and Anakin’s relationship. He told her that he’d never expose them because he believed that it was Anakin’s only chance for happiness.
But then the problem is that he never was available emotionally for Anakin. A lot could’ve changed if Obi-wan would of found a moment with Anakin Aline and confront him but not in an accusatory way. In a way we’re getting can connect with him as a person who has had feelings for a significant other and not a strict Jedi.
Anakin would of been more comfortable after telling him everything and his visions and why he wanted to be a master (to save padme)
pretty sure he did- there is at least 2 times he hints directly toward Anakin at Padme in the CW series (during the banking clan arc + during bad batch arc)
In the clone wars it’s made clear that Obi-Wan knew
@ElPresidenteMargz it is pretty tragic because if Obi Wan and possibly Ashoka took Anakin aside and told him they knew of his secret marriage and weren't going to turn on him or negatively judge him, then he absolutely wouldn't have turned to the darkside. He never had that moment of emotional security with his friends who were essentially his siblings and he felt isolated
A master is a man, that failed more times, than a beginner has ever tried. "Our greatest teacher, the failure is." - words from another great jedy.
**Jedi**
Great quote but tlj did the wrong way but fallen order did better.
Obi-Wan could've been boring, but George and the team behind The Clone Wars managed to characterize him so well that he became a fantastic character type of his own. He's a joy to watch.
Also, Obi-Wan is very similar to Kakashi.
Not really. If you were talking in his younger years yes. But og Naruto kakashi slowly learned and gained confidence in facing himself and living again even being able to reconcile with obito at the very end and his master
@@shivnarayan8532
I agree.
If anything, Obi-Wan is akin to Takeshi Hongo-Kamen Rider Ichigo; not Kakashi Hatake the Copycat/6th Hokage.
@qandaykeremet interesting comparison! currently watching naruto kai and weirdly felt they were similar too, both lost their friends and reflect on their mistakes, both lost their teachers early on, but kakashi i think feels that sasuke may get consumed by vengeance for itachi and follow orochimaru but is trying to steer him away from it, he tries to keep sasuke away from itatchi, tries to tell him to avoid the curse mark and darkness/hatred, and is aware orichimaru is after him; i feel obiwan doesn't feel anakins connection to the dark side as much just maybe immaturity and attachment, recklessness and impatience, and vulnerability and confusion; he just fears palpatine is up to something malicious and his friendship to anakin has ulterior motive, i don't think he imagined anakin would join the dark side or go to such extreme lengths, he seemed quite shocked when he saw
@@shivnarayan8532boooooooo
Saitama: Pathetic
*Obi-wan, now that's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time*
Of course I know him, he's me
@@General_Kenobi. Hello there
Obi Wan is someone I would consider to be a perfect Jedi.
Someone who failed, learned from it, and kept moving forward with a smile on his face.
obiwan never learned from his mistakes & continued to perpetuate those very mistakes even after death as he trained luke as a force ghost
Not really.. he kept making the same mistakes even after death . Dude never learned
@@xReMi13x they weren’t mistakes, Luke was successful.
@@ElPresidenteMargz he and yoda trained Luke to be successful and Luke destroyed the sith. Many of obi-wan’s perceived mistakes were really Anakin’s failures it’s cowardly to absolve Anakin of responsibility for his life choices and deceptions.
@@the_endgame idk what movies you watched bro cause this is not even remotely correct at all.
Obi wan is a depressing character but he tried to stood to what he needed to be
I recall how in the Kenobi show, when Obi-Wan finally gets the upper hand, Anakin is quite visibly hurt when he doesn’t receive praise but is instead criticized. Instead of picking up on this, Kenobi smiles, pats him on the shoulder, and leaves.
Obi-Wan tried to instill in Anakin humility. But… who knows? Who knows what right mix of discipline
and encouragement was right for the kid?
@@JEF_W Problem is that Obi-Wan utterly failed. Because while teaching Anakin humility was his intention, that is not what he actually did.
Obi-Wan constantly humiliated Anakin.
Anakin said : "He's overly critical."
Which is true.
Sure, you don't want to encourage arrogance. But there is a difference between encouraging arrogance and encouraging someone to be better.
Obi-Wan's job was to acknowledge Anakin's progress and qualities, and then to tell him NICELY where he was failing short and to guide him in the right direction.
Unfortunately, he only putted him down and never showed any proud in him in any way (except at the end - when it's too late and the damage is already done). This is toxic behaviour.
This is an abuser keeping their victim down to better control them.
Now, I know Obi-Wan did not consciously do so, but he did have a desire to shape Anakin into the perfect Jedi. Obi-Wan was focused on Anakin fulfilling his Destiny as the Chosen One. And to reach this goal, he forced him to fit into a box that wasn't meant for him. He became controlling of Anakin, because he refused to let him be who wanted to be, because 'Anakin's duty to the Order and as the Chosen One' came first.
Obi wan Kenobi may have been a failure but was a legend of itself. He unfortunately stayed within the realm of his possibilities and was too blind for the jedi's general flaws. Even in death he had no hope for Anikain when Luke a living person did.
Calling him a failure is a bit overkill. He made many mistakes but sometimes it is possible to make no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.
I think that plays into what sage said, anakin was raised through different lenses then the Jedi, as children they are conditioned without emotional attachment which is how Obi wan was taught as well. Luke was raised same as anakin but also taught in the Jedi ways, in many ways he was put in similar situations as his father but chose love instead of hate. Luke had an understanding of anakin that obi wan couldn’t because the invisible barrier the Jedi created with their peers. He was aware of anakins spiral but his teachings forced him not to be his true friend and save him like his son would in the end.
@@kaveonbatiste2821 the difference with Luke, though, is that he realized passion isn’t always a bad thing.
He understood the power of being passionate with restraint, while Jedi like Obi-Wan restrained from passion in general. The most passionate you ever see Obi-Wan is in the arc’s in TCW where he is interacting with Satine and when he leaves Anakin for dead in ROTS.
@@testingmyaudioaddiction3452 Thats where I feel like experience comes in. Obi wan had felt the pain of loss many times over that he lost his way and instead of being compassionate, instructed luke to do what he though was right at the time.
@@testingmyaudioaddiction3452 exactly, what people missed in Return of the jedi is that Luke USES the dark side to beat Vader but unlike his father he keeps it in check
This is why it always annoys me when people complain about him starting off his Disney+ show as a broken man. He’s been through so much, and in a way is responsible for the entire empire’s existence. Of course he’s going to be broken for a while
If there's a character that one would think is in the right of being broken, that's Obi-Wan. After all he had been through to the time the show took place, it puzzles me that there were people who dared to complain about his depression.
Never saw anyone complaining about that, what people complained about was the poor quality and writing of the show
@@felps_4500 i did. And yes; the show's performance was very poorly.
There are good ways to write a broken character. I assume the Obi-wan show did it badly. But I also never saw it, and don't plan to.
Not a single person expected Obi-Wan to be ANYTHING other than a broken shadow of a shell of his former self at the start of the show... What they HATED about the show was that it became the Leia Organa (A character who he LITERALLY shouldn't have even met based on lines from a new hope) and Sassy Black Lesbian Hunter show... Over the character who's name was the title of the goddamn show they were supposed to be watching...
In accordance with the Jedi Code, Obi-Wan was the perfect jedi, and being that the code and ideals of the jedi at that time were flawed, one could he was doomed to fail. However, it's through those failures that he became a better man and more intuned with the force, it's unfortunate that it had to take so much and so long for him to realize and adapt but one could say thats life for you.
The perfect Jedi IMO is Kanan Jarrus
The way the story is written you can tell Qui-Gon jinn needed to teach Anakin even if you didn't want to I believe he understood he was the only one capable or willing to bend the rules for the greater good Qui-Gon jinns death is the single biggest tragedy in the galaxy
There’s a reason it’s called the Duel of the Fates. Maul lost the fight but the dark side won the second Qui-gon died. No longer would there be the right mentor for the Chosen one. Either the too rigid (Yoda/Mace), the too inexperienced (obi-wan), and most terrifyingly, the blackest of hearts (Palpatine).
@@Historyandlegends789what was obi wan thoughts on order 66
@@preciousotoakhia9789he probably wasn’t the biggest fan
Sidious was afraid of Qui-Gon not because of his power, but his ideology. Qui-Gon was a perfect representation of what a true Jedi was supposed to be.
Bullshit. Qui gon was a useless character. His teachings were terrible
It's interesing how Anakin's demise and fall from grace is still talked and analysed to this day, showing how many layers this event had.
It feels like a lines of issues that started to pile up and Obi Wan was one of these factors. Being a master in such age, he wasn't ready to shoulder such responsabilities and managed to truly understand his former's teachings. It's tragic. But I like to think that Obi Wan's story serves as cautionary tale that the people you look up to, specially for parental figures and mentors, that they not always had the answers for everything, that these kind of people also have flaws just like everyone else. It's takes humbleness to reflect that even one's teaching are even wrong, learn from these mistakes.
Part of that I believe is the Clone Wars series really filling in the time between movies so it helps stop the changes from feeling so abrupt. I remember when the movies first came out before Clone Wars really got big that a lot of us felt Anakin's fall felt really sudden. The series gave us all the subtleties and smaller problems that were piling up, and really gave us the sense of how much time has passed for those problems to grow.
I definitely agree about Obi-Wan being a cautionary tale. I think it's also a tale of what following the Jedi code TOO much is just as destructive as going completely against it. Qui-Gon was the closest we got to a Grey Jedi in the movies/shows (until we got Ahsoka who very much feels like a combination of Obi-Wan and Anakin's personalities, putting her right in the middle of the two extremes and as far as I can tell has come out the best of the three (and sooner than Obi-Wan) because of it, all things considered) and really seemed to be the ideal of what the Jedi should be.
What I love is that I grew up with these movies and I always love them, but the older Star wars heads always hated them and now it's like popular to love them and they're trying to backpedal and I love it
When it comes to how everyone always ends up talking about Anakin's fall from grace. I like to look at it as George Lucas not only telling us, "it takes a village", but how one person can be the block in a jenga tower to bring everything down, if that village doesn't understand their individual roles. Its a message to us all that us ignoring someone who is troubled, could unintentionally lead to catastrophic outcomes. Palpatine serves as the gateway drug to the lost soul whom is being ignored. That inner city kid who parents are too busy working, well those gang members on the corner will open their arms and appear as a friend the kid needed. Just like Palpatine for Anakin.
The village failed Anakin, and catastrophe followed.
@@UTxTheArchangel "the village failed anakin, and catastrophe followed" is arguably the best summarization of what happened that i've ever seen. very well put.
@@StonedHunterwhat did obi wan say about order 66
I'd argue that there was a good deal of understanding and trust between Anakin and Obi-Wan, and his aversion towards talking about Satine was less to do with Anakin and more to do with how it was difficult for him to deal with. But the issue was that Obi-Wan saw Anakin as a brother, someone that was fundamentally his equal even if he was older and had a higher authority over him that he would pull, while Anakin needed a father, someone that guided him and was willing to discipline him while still being there to support him. Obi-Wan would certainly scold Anakin, but never truly discipline his student. But that's not Obi-Wan's fault. As you said, he was loyal to the jedi and was the idealised version of what they should have been, but alone in the twilight years of the old Republic the failings of the order reflected on his actions.
Obi-Wan is such a great character, I'm glad this video puts it into words.
The problem wasn't a lack of understanding and trust, it was the Jedi Way. Whenever Anakin was struggling with something, Obi-Wan would respond the way a jedi would and never the way someone who loved him would. He never sympathized and helped Anakin deal with his struggles, he just told him they were wrong of him to have just like all the other Jedi did. For example, Attack of the Clones.
The only thing I hate about this video is that it reminds me just how sad his life had turned out to be. Solid video, 10/10.
PERFECT timing. I just finished binge watching The Clone Wars and Obi-Wan became my new favorite Jedi afterwards. Can't believe I slept on that series as a kid.
Obi-Wan is the ultimate troll of Star Wars. TCW just highlights it so well.
@@SammytheTongue I love the arc where him and Anakin get imprisoned with dooku by some pirates. So much sass
@@PixlPlayer "the count is trying to concentrate" :D
@@SammytheTongue Not to mention he is arguably the best duelist in the Order. Peak athleticism for real. The episode where he solos Maul and Oppress had me speechless.
@@SammytheTongue So, how was my funeral? 😏
Growing up Obi Wan was always my favorite jedi but most people I knew favored others like Anakin, Yoda, Luke, Mace Windu etc. So it was pretty surprising when I began going on the internet in the late 2000s more and noticed that Obi Wan was actually a lot of people's favorite jedi as well
People always hate on episode 3 of starwars but I love the fight scene between Kenobi and Skywalker on mustifar
@Dimitri Litovsk the Prequels are great, actually. I've always loved them in spite of their flaws. Because the sequels are so bad it kind of opened everyone's eyes to how bad it can get and shows how bright the Prequels shine
Same here. Since I was a little boy, I instantly made a special click with Obi-Wan's archetype. To me at least; he's the best character in star wars.
I still hope I will come to be like him one day.
As a kid I wanted to be a Skywalker: Powerful, dangerous and unpredictable. Now that I’m older I’d rather be Kenobi: Honorable, no less powerful because my ingenuity and true.
Obi Wan is one of my favorites because even though he lost everything he never fell to the darkside
Obi Wan strikes me as someone who tried his hardest, did his utmost, and still lost. Sometimes, it is simply not your fate to win and your best is not ever going to be enough. And yet even after losing everything he gave so much for... Obi Wan still managed to pave the way for Luke.
I really like Obi Wan.
Obi-wan was simply too young to be a master and a teacher.
That's on the Order for training a mindless drone who ONLY obeys THEIR orders without question and NOT a person who listens to the will of the Force
This was so good. Obi-Wan is my favorite Jedi and I think you hit on why. No matter what, he kept his faith in what was right and just even as he lost everything.
Obi-wan is best character, he was always my favorite and I'm glad that they made his own series to show his struggle.
What a great video! Obi-Wan isn’t my favorite jedi by any means but he is definitely up there. It makes this even better when you read how Qui-Gon Jinn chose Obi-Wan to be his apprentice. Obi-Wan wasn’t the best fighter, wasn’t the best with the force, he was just extremely average. Through his years of practice he became better and better with both. He went through so much, failed so much, and yet improved himself so much even till the end. Finally succeeding for possibly even the first real time when he heled Luke.
He was the reigning master of Soresu, though.
@@SammytheTongue He IS the master of Soresu. But again it took him a while to even adopt that as a form. He didn’t use it for a while. Wasn’t until close to the end of the Clone Wars where he picked up that form and made it his own. And faced off against many other Jedi like Mace or Yoda or Kit Fisto or even Shaak Ti, I do not think he would win against them. But again that isn’t saying he is trash cause he is one of the best now but he didn’t start out as naturally gifted like Mace or Anakin or Dooku.
@BloodChron actually he was studying it almost right after Qui-Gon died because he saw the shortcomings of Ataru, and I would say that having a good training ethic is better than being naturally gifted. I mean, look at Revan, his lust for knowledge led him to be one of the most powerful of both Sith and Jedi. Imagine if Anakin had the drive to train and learn like Revan. He'd literally be unstoppable.
@@SammytheTongue He did start learning it but he didn’t become proficient in it till end of Clone Wars. And yes training hard and being consistent is always better than naturally gifted but if one is naturally gifted plus works just as hard…. It’s hard to beat them. Like I said Obi-Wan is amazing but he aint beating Mace or any of the others mentioned. They are just too powerful for him… Maaaybe he beats Kit Fisto but the others not a chance. Anakin in the comics has even mentioned Shaak-Ti and Mace he didn’t know if he could beat them. And he obviously wasn’t beating Yoda.
If Anakin Skywalker had been trained by Qui-Gon Jinn, I whole-heartedly believe that if he imprinted upon a kyber crystal, the crystal would turn purple instead of blue. Wielding a purple lightsaber would allow Anakin to understand his attachments, his darkness, and master them as Mace Windu had.
Obi did not fail the Jedi. The council failed by having a newly minted Knight train the one that could become the most powerful. Mace should have been the one to train Anakin. He was the one with the best chance to train Anakin well because of his temperment. Mace was emotional and could have taught Anakin how to use his emotions properly instead of trying to squash them.
Unpopular Opinion but Mace training Anakin would have been more of a disaster than throwing him back onto Tatooine. Mace already never really liked Anakin and would have been harsh on Anakin, leaving him no room for error. Assuming everything else goes the same, Palpatine would still have turned him. What Anakin actually needed was a strong father figure and Qui-Gon was the only one who could have provided that, instead if he had gotten trained by any other Jedi, Palpatine would still have exploited Anakin's need for a father
@@DarthJarJarTheGodlike Agreed. Anakin's very existence as a Jedi was a bend in the rules and a subversion of the traditions of the Jedi code. I don't think the use of emotion was the factor that would've helped Anakin but rather the flexibility of thinking outside of the Jedi Code, as his situation and his resulting temperament required a master and father figure who was able to take such unconventionality in their stride. In that sense, Mace was just as inflexible as any other Master Anakin could have been placed under the tutelage of.
Mace echoes Sidious's rhetoric on the Invisible Hand in saying that Palpatine is too dangerous to be left alive, abandoning the Jedi code in the principle that you should not kill an unarmed prisoner, just because it was convenient for him to do so. It's ultimately this display of a master abandoning the code just because its getting in the way of what he wants that causes Anakin to perceive the jedi and the sith as not being all that different, since that code that he's been strictly holding himself to as a form of admonishment when he slips has just been treated by one of the highest people in the order as a convenient and optional moral justification for the Jedi's power rather than a set of iron-clad binding principles to live or die by. Kenobi, in Mace's position, would not have subverted the code in this way just because it was convenient, which ultimately would not have pushed Anakin's hand in the way that Mace's strike to kill Sidious ultimately did. You can see Kenobi's grounding influence in Anakin's strict, by-the-books view of what it means to be a "good Jedi" and by the standard he holds himself to after instances in which he subverts it. Kenobi's demonstration of what a Jedi should strive to be serves as Anakin's moral compass and sense of direction with which he can still try to right himself even if he steps out of line.
So again, I think Anakin would have actually become disillusioned with the Jedi even faster under Mace than he eventually did under Kenobi for the exact reason that all Jedi except Qui Gon were tied as minimally suitable in their flexibility of thinking and thus is was through their demonstration of adherence to the code that they were preaching that they can ultimately be ranked by in terms of suitability for being Anakin's master, in which Kenobi arguably places highest and thus is (after Qui Gon) the second best choice for Anakin.
Potential hot take of my own: I think that it wasn't actually Kenobi that failed Anakin. He was one of the only people that was actually able to *delay* his fall through his first hand demonstration of actualising all of those Jedi ideals. It's no coincidence that Sidious waits for moments in which Kenobi's grounding influence is absent to make his most important moves. First in spurring Anakin on to kill Dooku when Kenobi is unconscious and again in pushing him all the way once Obi is away battling Grievous. I think it was the much more blatant hypocrisy of a lot of other Jedi that failed Anakin and if the rest of the Order was as strictly adherent to the code as Obi Wan, Anakin would not have fallen.
It was Sidious's ability to make the lines of thinking between the Jedi and the Sith seem similar, using this hypocrisy, that was one of the most potent and convincing pieces of ammunition in his arsenal in his turning of Anakin. Fear is a path to the Dark Side and yet almost the entirety of the council and the Order as a whole seemed to be scared of Anakin from Day 1 and thus didn't trust him. Among the more senior Jedi, it's seemingly only Obi Wan that doesn't somewhat fear Anakin and who trusts him in ROTS to not fail him. If a lot of other Jedi didn't treat the code as this nebulous, optional thing that could be dropped and re-adapted as it suited them much like Anakin himself did in these moments of weakness, I don't think the hypocrisy of the Jedi Order could have been weaponized by Sidious as a straw to break the camel's back in Anakin's turn to Darth Vader, as we can see in Revenge of the Sith that even with this hypocrisy in place, Anakin is so, so agonisingly close to still making the 'right' choices.
So tldr, I think that if the majority of the Order were as consistent to the values they preached as Kenobi and ultimately set aside their caution of Anakin to embrace him and trust him as one of their own once they decided to allow him to be trained, Anakin's path would have no doubt still have been an unsteady and rocky one but he ultimately would have been fine and felt secure enough in the order to hold his nerve against his nightmares about Padme long enough for the twins to be born healthily and without complication, as it was ultimately his own instability and turn to evil that proved fatal to Padme through a broken heart. Then with Grievous defeated, the war over and with Palpatine's temptations no longer holding any weight, he would have stabilised again and gone on to become a Master just as he had desired.
@@casualhavoc Damn, that was a long comment but yeah I agree with pretty much everything here
As George stated Anakin was the Chosen One. His journey was the balance of light and dark and he did bring balance to the Force through destroying the Jedi and the Sith.
People talking of how Qui-gon was needed for Anakin but they forget that he raised Obi-Wan so instead of making him reflect on how the jedi are perhaps not in the right he simply reinforced the code in Kenobi.
Qui-gon knew how Obi-Wan was and he decided to make him promise to train Anakin so the one at fault is Qui-gon for not teaching Obi-Wan properly.
Also Qui-gon ain't a proper father figure or anything, he only saved Anakin due his prophecy addiction not cuz he cared about the slavery.
In Mortis arc when Obi-Wan asks him about how to help Anakin find balance qui-gon simply says: " if he's the chosen one ..." .
Clear indication Qui-gon sees the prophecy first instead of the person.
Obi-Wan at least tried and learned to care for Anakin the person.
It wasn’t just obi wan’s fault, the entire Jedi council is at blame for what happened to anakin, blinded by their code and traditions. If Luke had followed obi wan’s and yoda’s advices and let go of his attachment to kill his father the war would’ve been lost and most likely Luke himself would’ve fallen to dark side.
On another hand nice video man, the obi wan series should’ve been about all these themes, a self reflection of a traumatized Jedi with ptsd entrusted with protecting the child of his best friend who he believes left to die in the most horrible way and how he has to live with this day by day
Not at all. Anakin chose to give into the dark side purely because of selfish reasoning. He didn't want and was not willing to let go. That's it. Palpatine enabled him, and so Anakin chose him. Nothing the Jedi Council could have done, shy of locking Anakin up until Padmé gave birth, would have changed what happened.
Luke wouldn't have fallen to the darkside because the dark side requires attachment. Moreover, nothing on the death star mattered to the war efforts. Regardless of what happened, the Rebels would still destroy the death star and kill everyone therein. The war was won the moment the ewoks chose to help. After Luke's use of force convinced the Ewoks to release himself and Han, he was irrelevant to the war.
@@corruptangel6793 I disagree on one point. Yes, Anakin chose to give into the dark side, but partially because the Jedi ultimately failed him as a source of moral guidance. He kills a literally unarmed Dooku, which was quite a dark side aligned act, and admonishes himself for this moment of weakness right afterwards because killing him wasn't the Jedi way. He uses this Jedi way, a moral compass mostly demonstrated to him in concrete actions rather than just pretty words via Kenobi, as a guiding principle on what his perception of ideal morality is. Whether he actually adheres to that is another matter altogether but he does show a trend of trying to re-centre himself to this morality very strictly right after he does anything in violation of it.
Fast forward to Palpatine's office and Mace is about to kill an 'unarmed' Palpatine because he is "too dangerous to be left alive". A line very deliberately echoing what Palpatine says about the unarmed Dooku. Was Mace ultimately correct in his reasoning due to Sidious's influence over the courts and the Senate? Yeah, but abandoning the Jedi code so blatantly just because it was convenient is exactly the opposite of what Anakin needed to see in that moment. What Anakin needed to see was Mace making the harder choice of taking Palpatine as a prisoner, as the dogma of the order would have dictated he should do. Mace takes the harder path of leaving Sidious alive because the code says so, Anakin can take more confidence in trusting the Jedi way and taking the harder path of resisting the dark side's temptation of gaining powers to influence life and death to save Padme because the code says so. Because in his eyes, if someone as high up in the order as Mace could casually defy the Jedi code just because it was inconvenient for him in that moment, why couldn't Anakin do the same in his pursuit to save Padme's life? Was his reasoning still selfish? Absolutely, but through seeing the selfishness and hypocrisy of other members of the order and having very few true role models who actually engaged with the teachings of the Jedi code in good faith, Anakin was hardly set up for success.
@@casualhavoc Mace wasn't forsaking the code, Sidious was very much still armed, and he knew it. It was completely different than with Dooku, who was a known enemy of the Republic with no power left. Political or otherwise. Not to mention, Mace Windu wasn't acting out of revenge but duty. On the surface, the situations are similar, but if you actually stop to think, you'll see that they are very different. Context is important.
"But how am I to know the good side from the bad?"
"You will know when you are calm. At peace."
- Yoda and Luke, ESB
Mace Windu was calm and rational. He was staying true to his duty as a Jedi and knew what needed to be done. Anakin was frazzled, panicked, and ruled by his fear of loss. He was anything but calm.
Anakin was using the code and morality as an excuse. It didn't actually matter to him. When push came to shove, Anakin exposed his true motivation:
"You can't. He must stand trial."
"He has control of the courts and the senate. He's too dangerous to be left alive."
"It's not the Jedi way. He must live! I need him! No!!!"
He then almost immediately realizes how badly he fucked up.
"What have I done?!"
Anakin didn't care about the Jedi or the Republic at that moment. He was just saying anything he could to keep Palpatine alive because he was the only chance he had of saving Padmé.
"If I die...any chance of saving her...will be lost."
It's not a matter of trust. Anakin is ruled by his fear. A slave to it.
"Always to the future he looked. Never on where he was! What he was doing!"
- Yoda, ESB
It's a much more extreme version of the lesson Obi-Wan struggled with in TPM.
"I have a bad feeling about this."
"I don't sense anything."
"Not here. Elsewhere...elusive."
"Don't center on your anxieties, Obi-Wan."
"But Master Yoda said I should be mindful of the future."
"But not at the expense of the moment. Keep your mind here and now where it belongs."
The Jedi code called Anakin to perform his duty. To let go of his selfish fear and save the galaxy. He chose to give into fear. That's all there is to it.
@@corruptangel6793 That's a very valid assessment of it in a way I hadn't properly considered to be fair.
It's absolutely not Mace's fault in that specific scenario because Palpatine had been very careful in his engineering of the situation. There was a reason I put '..' around my definition of Palpatine as unarmed as I appreciated even then the active threat he still posed to Windu, I was just too lax in appreciating the weight of his role in limiting Mace's options, causing a domino effect into incentivising Anakin to act rashly.
I suppose I was too lost in thinking about the only real way in which that situation *might* have been salvageable to appreciate realistically, without any knowledge of the future that the viewer is privileged to have, what the right course of action in the moment seemed to be and whether that "ideal" course of action would have actually been all that realistic of a choice given the circumstances.
I suspect protagonist bias also plays a part in inviting viewers like me to place much more weight on the factors surrounding Anakin's decisions (ie, the Jedi Council, Sidious, etc) rather than his own inherent character flaws, since we've had front row seats to the sedimentation of those factors stacking upon one another over the course of his life.
Thank you for the fresh perspective on this :)
I’m not really knowledgeable when it comes to Star Wars, but to see everyone in agreement with the topic of Obi Wan, it’s warms my heart for some reason haha. GOD bless everyone ❤
I'm really surprised you never brought up the turning point during the Kenobi series when he was underground, trying to resist being crushed. The lesson he learned down there seemed crucial to his overall character.
Thank you for continuing to make your videos. It is always nice to see them pop up in my feed and I hope to see more soon. Keep being awesome!
Yes Obi Wan failed but his faith to the force and jedi is what makes him so different from the others. He Lost everything he had, everything and still never turned, making him the sole example of what a true Jedi was suppose to be.
Obi-Wan is a great character. And he was a good master who ended up with the wrong student
Thank you Sage. You continue to impress me and show how vulnerability can be strength in times of trial and error. Always subbed and forever a dedicated follower.
As always, I love your analysis and observations.
For all their talk about how a Jedi cannot form attachments, all of them couldn’t see that they had formed an attachment to an outdated code, which didn’t coincide with the Force’s will anymore. Their adherence to said Code had blinded and shackled all of them-something Sidious counted on.
Interesting how Kenobi never bothered to tell Luke this, but then again I think part of him wanted to protect the Jedi Order’s image.
Kenobi sort of told Luke though. In episode 5 when Luke wanted to go save Han and Leia, as well as in Episode 6 when he told him to ignore that Vader his his father and to just kill him.
Which is extremely hypocritical, cowardly and down right manipulative of him.
Obi-Wan failed Anakin, then showed twice over that he was too attached to him to kill him, and then plans for 23 to manipulate his failure's son to commit patricide.
He shoved his guilt onto an innocent boy to absolve himself of his own failures.
Then again, one shouldn't expect any less from the perfect member of a cult who kidnaps babies, indoctrinate them and send them onto a Battlefield at the age of 14.
You speak of a truth I wish I could live by. There are lessons to be learned from Kenobi, and many more from the the story told by Star Wars…
First time I stumble on this channel and the quality here is remarkable! Great discovery! Keep on working
For the first time I also hear addressed Obi Wan's losses that all happened in short range and the burden of taking in all of this alone.
My favourite Jedi without question
Your content is always well presented and it's always good to hear. But man, gotta also give a very big shout out on how soothing your voice is.
Thank you! Obi-Wan Kenobi is my favourite Jedi of all, one I can relate to because of his failures and sticking to rules blindly, and yet, a man who has taught me to rise up from pain.
Extremely well done as always
He took on a heavy burden! He saw his job through until the end. He asked for nothing. He might have failed in some ways but his journey was that of a shakesparean tragedy! He was a noble man who sacrificed everything and never lost faith.
I was so disapointed that the show was not taken very seriously by Disney (imo). The writting was bad. They had some good ideas and great potential. But it was poisoned with some horrible ideas as well.
Sage - You make incredible content worthy of rewatching more than a few times - Your passion is what feeds this channels specialty and it is noticed in how you choose what you'd like to cover in your uploads not any couple of shows consistently - I loved your Up Video but will never miss an AoT, Avatar or Star Wars video that you make, notifications on!
Sage, you are a talented man of understanding multiple characters and being able to explore characters in movies, anime, and shows very well. I love watching your content and i will always love seeing your point of views and I would love to see a "exploring Captain Jack Sparrow", but keep up the good work of your channel. You are a good UA-cam and I bet you are a better person.
This is great! Well done!
I also think if he dared to confront his emotions, he might have saved himself a lot of pain. A great lesson to us all.
Your videos always put a smile on my face!
Common trend I often seen with other Movies, TV Shows, etc that certain mentor-like figures are distraught and discouraged when teaching new apprentices or students that often remind them of their own personal failures…
*…but not Obi-Wan Kenobi, a sticker to his own values and morals even if parodies and memes poke fun at him, that’s the genius of George Lucas*
Great video as always
This is one of those "I'm just doing my job." kinda vibes, like do you blame the employee or the whole corporation? Shareholders? Management? Government? It's never just one thing, but yes one event or decision can change the course forever.
love your content, you’re incredible!
Love your work, keep it up
Obi wan has been through so much that’s why in my eyes obi wan Luke and Ashoka are what the Jedi should have been but they let fear cloud their judgement
such a great analysis. subbed only off the strength of this vid great job dude
Thank you for giving me a video on my favorite character in all of Star Wars
Bro love your videos keep doing what you like, the extent of your analisis on any media is so entertaining, relaxing and it also leaves you with lessons for real life which is why I love them all the more.
i hope you do more of these. i love Star Wars characters
This is what they should teach in my daughters ' SEL( social emotional learning) classes. As thier parent Ibam grateful to have such an eloquent video to share with them. Thank you.
Sage with another banger video 🤘
Great analysis!!
Beautifully put, I always felt that Obi-Wan was the most tragic character out of any of them and know, I finally got to hear my thoughts on video lol.
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Amazing video, as always
It's an amazing video again, sage it's an interesting look at one of my favorite characters in Star Wars. it's a lot to take away because it is sad as if Qui-Gon had lived. Things would have been so much different. I also was wondering if you were going to cover any more Star Wars characters and, if so, the one that I throw in the pile is Agent kallus from Rebels
A great character analysis on the great jedi master Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Every time he uploads Sage spits out wisdom
U know, among the constant self-hatred that I repeatedly come across in the Star Wars fandom, seeing ur video essay feels so refreshing and touching (especially right after watching Obi-Wan Kenobi miniseries). Thank u for this, videos like urs make me think that the SW fandom is not yet dead.
That last line gave me chills.
You only uncover what you truly stand for the moment that you have faced yourself within your internal conflicts. That being said, external factors are but distractions towards internal conflicts. If you mistake the two, the core of your very being will forever be conflicted.
Obi Wan, the Kakashi of the SW universe. Qui Gon had the Minato/Jiraiya approach while Obi Wan wanted to play by the rules like Kakashi did.
Anakin had the Naruto main character energy but the more Sasuke personality.
Don't forget Sasuke's natural talent as well
your stuffs great many thanks once again
this was a really good one, i think it's underappreciated, the steady person that is true to their values,,
Didn't get to the video as soon as I had liked since I was busy, but once again I'm glad I watched. Great video as always
It is why he was always respected. Even among his enemies
Its not our failure that defines us but our ability to move past our struggles
masterfully said. i never really cared for these kinds of videos, but this one hits close to home, and not for an obvious reason 😂
I have never looked at obi wan like that great video
Obi-wan’s biggest flaw, is that he, for better or for worse, is that he was the perfect Jedi.
We are making a few assumptions by saying “the galaxy was innocent.” The rage of Vader was warranted. The Jedi teach to cast aside your emotions. That is why they fail. The sith teach to live by your emotions and it always brings them pain, and suffering. We must embrace our emotions, then let them go. This is peace.
This is a good video, thank you! I always blamed the Jedi Council for Anakin's downfall, because, like you said, they forgot how to deal with emotions as living creatures. Their hubris in thinking that emotions is what leads to the dark side, yet emotions is what enables a creature to become good because of empathy. Obi Wan's rigidity to the Order's ways may be at fault, but I think he is also a victim to the the Council's blindness (and arrogance).
Obi-Wan is one of my favorite Star Wars characters because of being able to look at certain scenes and wonder how differently it would've turned out if he did something just a bit different with Anakin. I'm pretty sure he was also knighted not long after Qui-Gon's death, only because he "killed" Maul and not because he passed the Trials. Then he immediately took on Anakin. Obi-Wan was genuinely just not ready.
This also came out at the perfect time cause I just finished clone wars
Qui Gon was Anakin’s father figure. Obi Wan was older his brother.
@@petermj1098 yep, didn't say otherwise
the perfect character arc
I'm sorry but I have a different take.
Obi Wan is sacrifice oriented. Anakin is unwilling to sacrifice. Anakin has a firece drive to win. But lacks patience and humility.
Obi Wan is very pious and has extreme patience.
Consider how Obi Wan has fought more Sith and dark Siders and lived than any other jedi. Not because he's stronger but because he's calm.
Obi Wan lost just as much if not more than Anikin but didnt turn to the darkside. I think because he understood that he couldn't always get what he wanted.
If you look at the Obi Wan show and the original trilogy Vader keeps underestimating Obi Wan because he's willing to make the "sacrifice play".
Obi Wan will sacrifice his own life.
While Anikin will sacrifice others lives.
What redeems Anikin is finally sacrificing his own life for another. 😊
Everyone try’s to find a reason to not blame anakin but it was really his fault all along. Obi wan didn’t fail
@@johnflores4913Obi wan didn't fail ? And obi wan sacrificed his own life ? I laugh really hard . Obi wan was the one who sacrificed everyone in his life for the order sake.
He sacrificed qui gonn . He failed him and didn't believe him. And go into argument with him even .
He sacrificed Satine if he did stay with her Prezla can't make a oact with others and she wouldn't be death .
He basically dropped Ahsoka to the council's mercy . And didn't really object/raise his voice against council's decison .
He sacrificed Shmi just because He didn't give proper guidance to Anakin.
He sacrificed Anakin even if he know he was right . He choose the injustice/hyprociate jedi council over him .
He sacrificed Padme . He send her to Anakin . Just so he can kill him . He send her there just to use her as a bait for Anakin. Knowing very well how unstable he has became . She died because of obi wan .
He was ready to sacrifice Han and Leia several times in the originals. First in the new hope he says to Luke to abandon leia, then in empire strikes back he says abandon both leia and Han.
If I can remember he says and do many times abandon others for the order's sake .
Luke prove them wrong by not abandoning anyone .
Even Anakin prove them wrong . And Anakin was the one who sacrificed everything for people he loved , He several times put his life on the line for them . While obi wan quietly obey the orders . Anakin break the orders and save everyone while put his life on the line .
Jedi were to willing to abandon . While you can not abandon something if there is still a hope . They just abandoned everything. They need to search for that hope and wait . And see for themselves .
Anakin and luke was the best example of that .
Obi wan was a failure just like every prequel jedi .
İt is shocking how He is the student of qui gonn . A person who listen the will of the force . Reject the council , and follow the will of the galaxy .
Instead qui gonn have a student who has allegiance to the republic and democracy . What a joke .
Qui gonn was seen as delusional when He first warn jedi against the sith . He*ll even obi wan dismiss qui gonn's decisions .But in the end he take grandmaster yoda as student . And save everyone from grave .
If qui gonn was the master of Anakin it will not be such a mess .
Obi wan was really a bad master . And failure ...
@@yagzguven8099 at the end of the day, anakin failed and fell to the sith. Put it however you want but he himself failed and was not strong enough to resist becoming a sith.
@@johnflores4913 Anakin was too young for everything happening to him all at the same time , Anakin didn't fail himself , people who suppose to help him , failed/betrayed him . For even such a long time resisting and fighting against all the odds Anakin already the strongest/greatest jedi . He begin as a slave , resist the greatest sith lord's manipulation, gaslighting , sith magic as a child to young adulthood for 14 years , 9 years of slavery , 3 years of war , 14 years of cult brainswashing/bullying/very hard to fullfil expectations/too much pressure/ never accepted , always judged , nagged , punished , lied , used , decived , manipulated , hided many things from him by the jedi order , (and don't even begin how hyprociate they are . All the dirty crimes and breach of the code they commit is too much even for them )his master failed him several times , his men buchered by fallen jedi , his men targeted and destroyed , his padawan was lost thanks to council/republic , his mother death very horribly thanks to obi wan , and now there is possibility of his wife and unborn child death he begin to really slip . Anakin never given in . Until he realize there is literally no difference between jedi and the sith .
Palpatine says ; He is too dangerous to be kept alive .
Windu says ; He is too dangerous to be kept alive .
Both of them mirror each other . And that's was the last time order did fail Anakin .
If windu listened Anakin , about waiting for reinforcements or informing other jedi , or just arresting palpatine . No one of this would happen . Even if windu kill Palpatine . Republic will see this as a betrayal. And there will be civil war between jedi and the repuclic .
So yes Anakin was failed by others , not the other way around .
@@yagzguven8099 nah bro he failed himself. He was too mentally weak. People hate to except it for what it is.
Perfection!
Old Ben is my favorite Jedi of all time and you perfectly summed up the reasons why.
I love him more than any Jedi from Revan to Luke regardless of power scale and ability because of who he is and will always be!!!
"I have failed you Anakin, I have failed you". Obi-wan himself took responsibility for his shortcomings as a master. But there wasn't really much he could do on his own because palpatine was grooming anakin to become his apprentice ever since anakin became a jedi. The only person truly qualified to train anakin was qui-gon jinn and if that had happened then it is a strong possibility that anakin would not have turned to the dark side. At the same time though, palpatine's plan was flawless and I think he still would have found a way to destroy the jedi, and also I am of the opinion that it was the will of the force for the jedi order to be destroyed because not only were they corrupt and consumed by the dark side (yoda himself said this), but also because anakin was prophesized to bring balance to the force which he did by facilitating the destruction of the jedi and creating a new order of dark side users (inquisitor) which approximately equalized the number of light side and dark side force wielders in the galaxy.
Also you can't blame obi-wan alone for Anakin's fall. Mace windu's inability to trust anakin and treat him with any shred of respect, and ignorance of the fact that anakin's judgement was clouded by the fear of loss, directly led to anakin betraying him and his subsequent death. Yoda's ignorance of the darkness that had engulfed the jedi order allowed palpatine to flourish under their noses until it was too late to do anything about it. Yoda ended up admitting his shortcomings later on though as did obi-wan.
He could have kept the kid under his protection from the shady old man for starters.
He could have worked (secretly if necessary) to free his mother. If only to soothe Anakin's fears.
He could have gotten him into Therapy. Anakin was a former slave.
He could have listened to the boy's fears instead of was reprimanding him because he has emotions.
I'm just saying, maybe he still would have failed because of Palpatine, but the fact that he didn't do any these basic things, makes him an utter failure in my book.
But it isn't his fault alone.
The Council is greatly to blame also.
Because honestly Obi-Wan was only 25, therefore the responsibility of Anakin should not have been place upon his shoulders. And the Council should also have taken charge of some of the things I've mentioned earlier on their own. Especially therapy.
Except that you cannot expect a bunch of arrogant old guys who judges a little boy surrounded by powerful strangers, for having fears about his enslaved mother, to have empathy.
@@SchultzDorinda yeah that's literally my entire point. Obiwan majorly messed up in a lot of ways as a master, but even if he had been a perfect master, Anakin would have still fallen because palpatine's plan was just too good
Say what you will i love Obi-Wan one of my all time favorite mentir characters and a little bit of a personal idol
Great video
Obi wan is the best... I loved the series, I don't know why people didn't embrace it. I think his story mirrors Luke's later years, except Luke totally fail himself and his character. It's a shame Disney did that to him
Obi-Wan has been my favorite character since the 80s. Such a beautifully written and utterly human character.
I think what he says to Maul before defeating him sums up how he sees his life “Look what I’ve risen above”
After seeing this magnificent video of yours, I couldn't helo but campare the lives of Obi-Wan and Jiraita as being nearly identicals
I think that Obi-wan was the Jedi Anakin needed just at the wrong time
Amazing idea to use Journey’s soundtrack, on point. Thank you for the incredible content.
Great essay. I really enjoyed it.
Also, you sound like Tony Todd and that's awesome.
You're gonna make me cry with a title like that.
To Obi-Wan's credit. Mace Windu was right when he said Anakin was too old.
Obi-Wan always made a lot of exeptions for Anakin regarding the force, for better or worse. Never strict enough to truly enough to truly put Anakin on the right path, but also never loose enough that Anakin could trust Obi-wan enough for the problems he faced at the end of the war.