New Idea From NASA: Trillions of Floating Balloons To Terraform Venus
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Sorry for your loss, Anton. Your video about terraforming Venus was so interesting, that I just barely noticed the personal message beside the screen. Amazing that you put out content and are focusing on philanthropy during trying times. I wish you and your family the best!
Should've adopted
@@introprospector 😳 WOW 😳
I believe that there was more to that balloon colony thing - something like using industrial waste from the cloud city to slowly convert the atmosphere and gradually lower the balloons as the atmosphere changed below them until the surface was eventually habitable.
I somehow prefer that to permanently building a second layer.
It's a rather boring surface though. Wrinkly and flat. Even if it is cooled down enough to no longer risk cataclysmic resurfacing events when you poke it, it may as well be left at high enough pressures for cities and islands to stay above. There's little reason to land cities instead of creating the first (quasi) shellworld. That also preserves the early colonial ability to go buoyantly hang-gliding wearing light gear. So we get cities like drifting clouds above the plains of the air-ocean.
@@Curry-tan- I would like to see a Miyazaki movie set on this environment
The atmospheric cooling that would result from the artificial layer would shrink the bottom atmosphere. Plus stripping the carbon from the atmosphere into physical product would remove some of it density as well.
We could spray the artificial layer with bacteria, therefore making the Carl Sagan stratagem work.
The balloon colony would also allow immediate use and a much smaller up front investment. Thus it would be a LOT easier to convince people to do it. Are there resources there that could be mined and materials shipped back to earth? That would probably speed things up even more.
I miss Carl Sagan.
almost at a mill subs anton, congrats! you're an excellent science communicator and this is very well deserved!
Share Anton people, let him get the 1M !
anton diverting himself into woke blonde
Do you expect less from this wonderful person??
Thank you Anton!! Your'e are the first person i heard tell people that Mars CANNOT be terraformed because its too weak to hold an atmosphere!!! At last, I found someone that agrees with me!
You realise that Anton isn't "spillin facts" but reading papers, yeah?
He's not the only science communicator on YT that has said that, LOL!
Pretty much the only simple chance of colonizing mars is by going underground
Either way we need to build a moon for Venus. Earth crossing asteroids?
I never understood why this was even an option. What do you do when a planet has an extremely weak magnetosphere? How do you bring that back? That's the reason why the atmosphere was stripped away in the first place.
This would be a very interesting way to terraform Venus, but I feel like it's not much less complex than the sun shade idea. Plus, the sun shade would allow colonists to precisely control the day on Venus without changing it's rotation.
You motivated me to study planetary science and astronomy after work. Thanks a lot for your informative videos!
We Love You Anton, Stay Wonderful!!!!!! 😎✌
Hi Anton. Just wanted to say sorry for your loss. Thank you for all the space news and discoveries you bring us daily. Your knowledge enlighten us and will continue to do so. Keep up the great work. And soon it will be 1M. 🙏
That is an excellent idea. By changing the albedo the temperature of the planet itself can be cooled down enough to allow not only mineral and material extraction from the surface. It would also allow for colonization of the planet itself. That would of course require living in an enclosed habitat of some sort.
Due to the lack of the magnetic shield water would evaporate quickly. Some estimate that's why the rotation of Venus should be accelerated, but even then we can't be sure if that would result in a dynamo effect.
It was an exciting video though on the possibilities of transforming the atmosphere. Thank you.
Finally, I’ve been a big proponent of Venusian colonization; Mars’ magnetic field is beyond saving
I thought Venus had no magnetic field at all?
@@loxodoncyclotis1823 That's What I Was Thinking Too 🤔
But I Guess Venus Got That
Thicc Atmosphere 🌚
@@loxodoncyclotis1823 venus has an induced magnetic field created by solar wind hitting the upper atmosphere it protects the lower atmosphere to a earth-like degree
Portable magnetosphere at the Mars Sun La Grange point
Wrong, it is relatively easy to make an artificial magnetosphere for Mars. In shear mass a 500 MW and
Sulfuric acid-eating bacteria are already a thing we have, so there's that. I think we could get quite a bit accomplished with engineered microbes, and those technologies can be used on other worlds in the future. Venus would be the ideal place to experiment, because we'll also need to cool down the Earth eventually.
Just add iron. Lots of iron and those volcanic bacteria from the Atlantic ridge. Let simmer until sulfuric acid levels are tolerable, then add photosynthesis :)
@@Smo1k sounds tasty :P
@@MrTaxiRob That part is feasible with what we know. Absolutely and entirely feasible. But the difference of a mountain and a valley on Venus is like 200m, no more. It's the roundest object we know. If we started terraforming by the method I described today, by 2300 we would see water seperation. When humanity leaves planet Earth, it will be to stay in space.
Engineered life might be one of the most resource efficient approaches. But the pressure and temperature still need to be adjusted a bit first.
Venus has much more potential than Mars, and travel there is faster, uses less fuel there and on the way back to Earth. Also the gravity is such a large factor, we wouldn't need to think about how partial gravity affects us. I'd rather focus on Venus than Mars.
Me too!
I always prefered Venus Over Mars anyday!
Hmm. Yea, venus is a great match in size and gravity. However a day on venus is like a year long. Mars have lower gravity but the daytime match earth very well.
@@batman3698 Mars's gravity is so much lower that anyone that goes there or is born there is pretty much stuck. The day night cycle is much lower in terms of priority.
@@MindForgedManacle true I’m just saying it’s interesting that one planet got the daytime matching and the other planet got the gravity matching. But I agree that gravity and radiation protection are the most important things.
Appreciate you still putting out videos Anton! Wonderful topic
This method is what I'm hoping for. It's not unrealistic to have floating islands and continents around Venus, tethered and untethered. Automated production of carbon-fiber balloons minimizes most issues aside from the hydrogen and nitrogen shortages... For nitrogen you need mining the magma and rubbery stone of the surface, which Earth may already use at sea. Large-scale hydrogen production is even more difficult, but import from nearer to the sun is easier than giant local shades / magnetic scoops or trucking in comets. Colonists may eventually alter terraforming plans, but the islands and continent stage are solid plans.
Just one thing you would never thether anything to surface atmosphere rotates every 3-4 days so you wouldnt realy stay attached for long
200 year Venusian terraform using modern technology. Sometimes, I hear something that reminds me we're farther along the curve than most folks believe.
Interesting video, thanks Anton. There was a terraform method I heard about which seem counter intuitive ,
which was to use mirrors to heat up the atmosphere at a particular area, this would cause that part of
the atmosphere to expand and be stripped off by solar winds as well as causing the gases to be excited
to escape velocities and leak into space. Once enough was stripped away , it would cause a natural heat loss
through a lack of atmospheric insulation.
I also think it that it may also create rings around Venus, which not only would look amazing but also cast shadow,
which also has a cooling effect.
This wasn't in the info that i read on this terraform method, so I don't know how feasible it is and I am not sure how hot you can get a particular area with concentrated sunlight,
however thinking about it at 2000K CO2 starts to break, 2000K: 98% CO2, 1.4% CO, 0.7% O2, if you can get that magnified sunlight spot on the surface hot enough, then at 3000K: 44% CO2, 36% CO, 16% O2, 4% O and at at 5000K: 50% CO, 50% O
This is somewhat similar to an idea I had for how to construct floating habitats on the planet. Essentially, you send a device that can synthetically create building materials from the Venus Air, and then builds lightweight, air-filled blocks. These blocks then get continually attached to the exterior of your structure, and removed from the interior, to create new enclosures. (all done autonomously of course)
Thus with your Minecraft-logic based colony structures, you continually expand your floating platforms as you need.
Thank you for the great videos Anton. Stay strong.
By covering the day side at least, these tiles would be quite effective at slowly reducing the temperature of the atmosphere and surface below. Reducing the temperature also reduces the atmospheric pressure, so the artificial surface would gradually drop closer to the natural surface. This venture would be very expensive, but worth the price. Two planets are a whole lot safer than one.
I don't think Venus has a day and night side. It rotates very slowly so it has long days and nights, but both sides do face the sun eventually.
You could try to make the cloud colony move to stay with the daylight, but Venus' atmosphere is very thick so you'd need quite a bit of energy to do that.
Though if they pull off building a cloud city then I'd guess they could solve that.
Whatever happens it's very exciting, I just hope I live to see some of these big ideas being launched.
This is this first video I've EVER been first on! The like button turned all RAINBOW when I clicked it!!! Keep up the great work, and stay wonderful, Anton. I know what you're going through with your son. My mother died the day before Easter, and it was so sudden. I know it isn't my KID that passed, but I loved mother and took care of her for 3 months before it happened. Much love, brother.
Shut up
Is that what it means when it turns rainbow?
The slow rotation could also be problematic so sunshades combined with orbital solar power (as O'Neill suggested) as power would be needed.
Absolutely LOVE this channel.
Thanks so much!
What if it turns out there IS actually life there though, even just bacterial colonies? *Edited to add:* besides the life question, it sounds like a great job for Von Neumann machines, which could create not only the albedo structures, but those could probably be solar panels at the same time, powering the system.
In regards to the correlation of the thick Venusian atmosphere and planet rotation. Would reducing Venus atmospheric mass increase the planets rotational speed via conservation of angular momentum?
Assuming we could somehow condense CO2 to solid and extract on Venus or decrease mass of atmosphere in other ways.
That would reduce the mass too, so it wouldn't change.
I appreciate your videos, well made and thoughtful
You're an amazing and wonderful person. Sorry to hear about your loss. Thanks for making such amazing content. Wish you the best!
If Venus were covered in a giant floating surface, wouldn't that cool down the atmosphere below that surface, causing it to condense, and the floating surface to deform?
Unlikely, venus' atmosphere is very convective, there isn't even really a difference in temperature between the day side and the night side it's still about 400+ degrees C either way ( and night lasts a hundred days)
it'd still float
From the paper
"To restore the thermal equilibrium of the lower region of the atmosphere, a simple solution would
be to place “windows” of transparent material in the artifical surface. This could be done by building
the aerostat tiles of parts of the initial enclosing surface our of transparent plastics, either imported
directly, or made by reacting carbon with hydrogen extracted from the sulfuric acid clouds and the
small supply of water vapor. These would then allow solar radiation to reach the lower atmosphere
and maintain it in thermal equilibrium. The floating landmasses could not be extended across the
windows, but if the honeycomb is sufficiently insulating, the windows would likely need to cover only
a small percentage of the surface. Further research is needed to more accurately predict the thermal
transport in such an enclosed atmosphere."
A constructed high albedo layer in the upper at atmosphere would reflect more energy from being absorbed into the atmosphere and prevent additional energy from reaching the lower atmosphere, so this can lead to planetary cooling, however that layer would also insulate the lower atmosphere from losing its heat as quickly. In such a case it would take hundreds of years to cool the surface to reasonable levels (but that would probably still be a reasonable time frame).
We might want to learn how to terraform Earth first.
Yes. Most of how we are learning to geoengineer planets is by messing up our own. Earth is the easiest planet to terraform by far.
Seriously yes Earth first please! This sounds too much like a space geeks' wet dream
Hello wonderful Anton. Thank you for daily dose of positive news and interesting info.
Whenever I hear "Hello, wonderful person, this is Anton", it instantly makes me smile and reminds me to Like the video if I haven't already just by opening it. : )
You are a treasure, Master Patrov.
This is cool, but it just feels like one of those projects where the idea will not survive reality. Still, if it ends up taking 500 years instead of 200 it still is one of the fastest terraforming suggestions we have to date. I propose we wait another ten years until we can make these manufacturing drones self-replicating though. Make a macro-bot swarm. I bet we could do the whole planet in a couple of years that way.
My head math is likely wrong, but assuming the drone itself is the tile, and assuming it would take one earth week (generous) for the drone population to double itself, the whole project could be done in about 55 years.
And if a drone could replicate in a day it would be more like 8 years.
@@tricky2917 let’s terraform it now then
Would volcanic eruptions below this interfere with the structure of the artificial surface? Not just the explosive force but the physical projectiles coming out of the volcano. It could be that it wouldn't happen early on while the under-atmosphere is still churning but after some time of cooling from being in darkness the atmosphere is going to be literally 'chilled' out and volcanic eruptions which would not be stopped by the same force so quickly would definitely have the opportunity to damage the structure
1atm pressure on Venus (Earth's surface air pressure) occurs at 50km in altitude. Slightly above that is comfy temperatures. These balloons are likely far above where volcanoes or even regional resurfacing events would damage them. Over time as the atmosphere is altered the platforms may drop into range, but by that point the civilization would be used to engineering and mining its own hot surface, making disasters still unlikely.
Bruh rock isnt going to reach 50km up when rhe surface pressure is 93 atm it just cant all we would feel is a boom and detect higher then normal so2 and that would be it
Love you, bud.
Keep it up 😉
Thanks for all the information and daily effort you put, directly from the bottom of my heart you are a very awesome person !
You're a machine, Anton. Thanks for all the great videos.
we’re gonna have to start calling the machines Anton at his rate. hehehe
I love your videos that discuss Venus and the concept of terraforming it. I think so much has been said about terraforming Mars that people don't really realize that Venus might be a better choice.
At least Mars will survive the red giant phase-
Too true
Carl Sagan was a genius, I have everything he ever published in my small library. The sooner we start on Venus, the sooner our great grandchildren may have options we don’t have.
One advantage of a floating colony is that it would never be wanting for power. Assuming the lower atmosphere remains dense and hot, you could use all that heat to generate electricity. Like geothermal except without the geo part.
More importantly, what kind of pizza do you think those scientists ordered after toking up on all that weed???
Interesting, but what about the atmosphere under the balloons? It won't be unaffected, without direct sunlight it will get cooler just like in the previous sun shield plan. I expect the lower atmosphere would contract as it gets colder, so overtime the balloon surface would sink closer to the planet surface. What issues would that cause?
I knew there was going to be side effects.
The surface would contract and you'd have to dismantle a number of hexagons and re-arrange the grid from time to time. The geometry would be real close to right because there are so many hexagons.
Bigger issue the heat would move up. You are never going to get a perfect seal so CO2 would leak up too. In the end it depends on your ability to stop the temperature on top getting too high, which might be impossible. A much better idea might be to make carbon-carbon products from the CO2 and manufacture O'Neil cylinders with them. You could put a suitable space station in geosynchronous orbit and lower a tube to suck up the gas. Plenty of solar energy available.
The contigious shell of balloons would all sink to a lower altitude. If they are flexible the balloons would distort. Top and bottom would bulge. But if they were strong to handle the pressures they would reach a point of maximum distortion and stop sinking. If they were airtight it would mean that the lower atmosphere could not compress much further because vacuum would be created. For instance if you let air out of the balloons they would be less buoyant and would sink pressurizing the atmosphere beneath them. If they were all connected as a complete coverage of the whole planet without leaks. If you changed their buoyancy. If you increase your buoyancy but they are still locked together airtight they would distort when they rose because they would have to widen. And they would decompress the atmosphere beneath them. Like a piston pump that's moving upward creates a vacuum and a piston pump moving downward increases pressure.
Since the atmosphere below the balloon shell cooled and sank it also compressed. So the pressure at the surface would be much greater after the cooling. If the balloons sank as well until they pressurize against each other and became stable, in other words they could sink no more because they were wedged against each other. That would prevent the pressure from continuing to increase. Now imagine if you fill the balloons and cause them to rise it would push the atmosphere above the balloon layer higher but it would also pull the lower atmosphere up with it like a vacuum pump. Maybe it would be possible to decrease the density of the lower atmosphere. Even if you reached the maximum of the potential of buoyancy you are still crowding the balloons together and they have only one direction to go. Upward where there is more space to expand. Then wouldn't you be depressurizing the lower atmosphere? Perhaps not by very much. The lower atmosphere is so incredibly dense. A huge amount of weight. Balloons could only do so much to lift that weight without shearing. Then if you lifted regolith and distributed it on the top surface of the sphere of balloons it would the soil. But that would also add stress to the balloon structure.
Probably the whole structure would experience oscillations which might fall into resonance and become worse and worse until the whole thing disintegrated itself. But it's a very interesting thought experiment. And the challenges could be overcome and it become possible. But I wonder how you could place balloons and not have them blown to Never Never Land by the 224 mph winds in the upper atmosphere.
@@garyoldham4449 this is a good answer...
People living above the balloons
Hello Anton. Hope you are doing well sir. Very happy to see your videos and your face again.
Almost 1 milion subs, Anton! ^^
WE LOVE YOU, ANTON!
One other interesting consideration would be that with much more sunlight being radiated away with this new surface it would also mean that the atmosphere under the balloon layer would slowly cool down much like the earth internal structure is gradually cooling down.
I still think the sun shade idea is a better long term solution for controlling climate variation especially with the very gradually increase in illumination of the sun as it ages.
Also another point is that carbon dioxide mining could occur on Venus eventually and be transferred to Mars. Again this would be an extremely long process but could be done.
Even if we can't live in there...it will still be fun to visit the planet or at least send robot that can survive the brutal heat.
Ya I thought the same thing...the temp would go down as the balloon population increased, slowly at first, then exponentially as the darkness spread. It also seems that with the planet nearly tidally locked, the balloons might accumulate in predictable regions, maybe on the cooler side at first, drifting away from the much more expanded hot side. Almost like going uphill. Maybe even enough to slow the wind over time as well. I doubt the layer would remain viable long term unless you kept the albedo pretty low. Otherwise, the CO2 would start to change phase all at once as soon as the temp got low enough and poof. Atmospheric pressure gone.
From what has been bouncing around for the past couple of years these are already old ideas but decent ones however it would take up to several hundred years to effectively cool atmosphere given how things are there. As for Mars it needs an adequate magnetosphere otherwise it would just be an waste in the long term.
This is not the case. If we were to put a mirror in front of the planet, then it would cool, as the planet would be radiating more energy than it is receiving. With a balloon covering, the heat will be trapped inside. My concern with the balloon strategy is that the heat will actually move upward, causing the atmosphere to expand, pressing the atmosphere against the balloons. We will either need to modify the balloon structure indefinitely, or we will have to create a system to balance heat-atmosphere transfer such that the atmosphere and it's pressures and currents remain relatively unchanged.
@@rexshepard9434 I think the point of this is that you could vary the albedo so that any atmospheric changes are gradual, and support the superstructure as it is forming around the planet. Technically, you wouldn't even need any on the dark side.
Hello wonderful Anton! :)
Excellent Vid 🖖
With all due respect, that's the craziest idea ever! Just use solettas at the Venusian L1 point and freeze out the atmosphere. Then add a lot of raw hydrogen from Jupiter, etc. to make water. When that's done, move the solettas to the L2 point to abolish the long rotation's effects. It's the only way to do anything with Venus. As for Mars, it still has enough gravity to hold an atmosphere with a magnetic shield in place.
There is oxygen on Venus but it is in all the sulfuric acid that makes up the acid rain and clouds.
The biggest weakness of that approach is that for all that time, Venus will be largely useless. The advantage of this approach is you can take advantage of the balloon swarm to live in cloud cities for the centuries it will take to complete the terraforming process. We will likely want to construct the solettas anyway to protect against radiation, speed up the cooling process, and as you mention, emulate a more earth like day night cycle. We do not need to choose either or, why not do both?
@@dudeinoakland If Venus were to be cooled enough, somehow, might that sulphuric acid (H2SO4) be converted into water, oxygen, and solid sulphur (deposited in selected areas only), thus contributing to a more Earthllke environment on much of the surface - one fit for life?
@@grahamking9121 we will need a big fridge to cool it
The only way? Wow. You must be smarter than anyone ever.
Anton, so many things could go wrong. My 1st questions is how do we keep it terraformed without a carbon cycle like we have on Earth. I believe Venus got into this position because it couldn't get rid of internal heat lacking plate tectonics.
Don't volcanoes form from two tectonic plates rubbing up on each other?
Isn't Venus full of volcanoes?
@@keenfire8151 there are no tectonic plates there i think
The reason we have plate tectonics on Earth is because of our water, and just like Earth, Venus used to have oceans worth of water, plenty for plate tectonics.
The reason Venus can't get rid of excess heat is mostly, if not entirely, because of it's newly acquired atmosphere, not because it lacked plate tectonics.
The way i see it is, the crust is too warm. so any rifts which would form into plate tectonics just can't get started because the rifts just melt back together.
If we blocked out the sun long enough for it to cool down, and maybe if we added some water, theoretically plate tectonics could form. But that process could take up to millions, if not billions of years.
My personal solution would be to make the interiors of the baloons into habitats. As breathable air is a lifting gas on venus. Though i'm not sure about things like solar radiation. Lack of a magnetic field do be a big problem like that.
@@mogim815one of venus's issues is it doesn't have plates. And it rotates too slowly. So collisions could help with that but not the lack of plate tectonics. But an extremophile biosphere could help with a carbon cycle
i ll be honest this blew up my mind good job for that scientist and thank you for share it :)
I am SO sorry for your loss Anton. Losing a child is not something that should happen to anyone, especially such a great person like you.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
My idea of terraforming using non-existing, sci-fi mechanics: Build inter dimensional portals between Venus and Mars. Mars gets more atmosphere and heat! Venus gets decreased pressure like letting air out of a tire. Edit: Releasing the pressure on Venus would be like holding an aerosol can when you spray. Notice how the can cools in your hand.
I made this same comment on kyle hills video a few weeks ago. Along that same line u could use Europa's water and Neptune's nitrogen....we have all the ingredients lol
The physics regarding gas pressure makes sense, but building the inter-dimensional portals could be a bit of a problem.
@@alangarland8571 What about my gas pressure after a night of Taco Bell? Can you tell me more about that?
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 Avoid Taco Bell, problem solved.
All the Venus atmosphere rushes through to Mars and escapes into space at hurricane speed at least. Although probably not even possible.
Trillions of rocket launches to send balloons to terraform Venus to be more like earth would leave such a carbon footprint on Earth that it'd have the extra benefit of terraforming Earth to be like Venus.
You wouldn’t build the balloons on earth. You would make a robot that would make other robots that would make other robots that would make the balloons on Venus
Which, if you paid attention, is NOT what was proposed, but rather make them on Venus from the local materials.
lol
Closing in on the 1m subs! Impressive!
i woulda guessed thousands. thanks anton!
Or we could just take care of and cherish the most beautiful planet in our solar system, and possibly our galaxy.
Then again, I might be kind of a grumpy bastard with no cosmic imagination 😂
¿Por qué no los dos?
They may need to use this idea to save Earth for now. In the distant future, the first 3 planets will be gone, so Mars or a moon may be something to consider. It doesn't appear that we will leave the solar system.
@Cancer McAids maybe you should watch the TED talk of Allan Savory and climate change solution. It's not what you think.
Oh man, so sorry to hear. Thanks for your great work, and I hope you're doing better as time goes on. =)
So sorry for your loss Anton. In the words of Théoden from Lord of the Rings: "No parent should have to bury their child."
We had to make a trillion balloons for my science fair in grade 6. It costed me and my friend 230 million dollars
what the fuck
😂😂😂
But costs have gone up.
@@stevejohnson3357 Inflation ;)
❤️😂
Mmm, I always was more interested in trraforming Venus than Mars. Just because its size and gravity makes it Earth's twin.
But I don't think Mars' small gravity is such a problem, what comes to terraforming it. It takes millions of years for the atmosphere to escape. Surely you would also continue the terraforming while living there. I don't see how that is a problem.
Edit: the small gravity is more a problem living in there. Would probably cause health issues and disappearance of muscle mass. Martian humans would certainly start to look something quite different, to adapt living in so low gravity.
On the flip side the low gravity can make Mars the perfect place for the manufacture of space infrastructure. A whole planet that's much MUCH easier to mine, build on, and launch from. I predict that 100 years from now almost the entire space industry will be on Mars.
That said Venus is the better place for humans. Musk's stated goal of making humans multi planetary is better done on Venus.
"Red Mars" by Kim Stanley Robinson is a good novel concerning terraforming mars. Part of it involved redirecting asteroids to crash into Mars. This increased Mass but it also caused the temperature to rise.
Only read the first in the trilogy. He also wrote Green Mars and Blue Mars.
Besides, the low gravity isn't the main reason why Mars lost most of its atmosphere.
@Cancer McAids > If only NASA had installed the damn centrifuge on the ISS we'd know already the answers to the question of how much gravity do humans need to stay healthy!
@@BlueChrome
Let's just put some old people on the moon and find out. I say old people because the low gravity would probably feel pretty good to them. I should say us because I'm 61. I think I would do it if they paid me good. I mean the point is I've had a fairly long life so if it caused irreversible health problems then better someone older than a 21-year-old having their entire life ruined. I have a feeling it would not be the same for everyone. Individuals would have totally different outcomes.
Cool. Let's get started
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Thank you so much !
Probably need a gd dose of nature👍
@@CHUNKYNUGGET666 I do too
This from the people who have recalibrated the thermometer records to the point where the medieval warm period doesn't seem to exist anymore... They quit making and flying shuttles so they needed a new cause celebre to keep their budget intact, and thus global warming magically became a high profile discussion.
Global Warming has been a known phenomenon for longer than NASA has existed. Global Warming is an issue that isn't as obvious as smog or polluted rivers or oil spills, so it's easier to ignore.
The Medieval warm period was a local, not global, phenomena. They quit the shuttles because it didn't go anywhere. Global warming has always been a critical thing.
But, hey, don't worry. I'm sure your God will save you.
There was a newspaper article in 1912 that stated that future generations would have to find a way to deal with the amount of carbon dioxide we were releasing into the atmosphere.
@@MrPojopojo Try looking at the tropical troposphere data, incidentally where climate scientists hypothesized that we would see the first signs of global warming, it shows precisely nothing. That's the data. And CO2 isn't a thermostat for the planet. We have tree ring data and ice core data that shows CO2 levels high and temperature cooler and CO2 levels lower and temperature cooler. The relationship between CO2 and temperature is more complicated.
@@MrMSBranham hypothesized, not theorized, not guaranteed. It is certain that global warming is real, it's been a certainty for decades, and we've done next to nothing about it even as projections surpass the prior worst case scenarios.
At the rate we're going I'd be amazed if man makes it another 100 years.
What makes you say that?
Nice shirt Anton.
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If NASA thinks we can terraform Venus why can't they fix our own planet
Our planet is actually pretty great; we just have some issues. Venus is a hellscape, but it has an electromagnetic field & atmosphere. We have to be careful with earth. We have a good thing here and we don't want to mess it up. We need to take global warming seriously but extreme solutions aren't viable. Venus has nothing to mess up and so almost anything would be an improvement there.
@@iandick1364 true.
Venus and Earth are very different places with very different problems despite their similarities.
Also, if we can pull something like this off, it would likely teach us a lot of things as we were doing it. lots of discoveries would be made, which could then be applied for use back here on Earth.
A lot of things that are being used to help the environment have their origins in space missions.
@@avandorhu-3389 are you high?
There is no time to fix it anymore.
How the blazes can you watch this channel and say that?
First of all, saying i'm high is rude.
I do not take any substances.
Second of all, we are not doomed.
Yes, global warming is a problem we have to face with urgency. And there will already be consiquences we cannot avoid now.
But mentalities like "we're already doomed" helps nobody, but the oil tycoons who are causing this mess in the first place.
We already avoided the worst case scenario. That does not mean we can stop now, it just means life on our planet will survive. Theres still much work to be done to reduce the the impact our actions will have.
Doomerism like what you are expressing here will not help humanity achive that.
What about the suspected life forms in the atmosphere? If it is there, and even if primitive, what gives us the right to destroy it?
Mankind Manifest destiny.
The Sol system by right is ours.
LOL we are humans, do we really care about life? Killing is our favorite activity, just look at our history.
The chance of life being in the venusian atmosphere is slim to none. That phosphine gas that was detected more than likely didnt come from anything living.
@@n.g.s1mple29 I have a hard time believing earth is the only body in our solar system with life
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 who knows, maybe we'll find some little critters swimming around in the methane on Titan or some life like systems in the supercritical hydrogen in Saturn.
1 million at last congratulations!!!
Worked out great in Cleveland.
I did not know we had the technology to turn CO2 into sheets of carbon that would be large and robust enough to make balloons that could survive hot sulphuric acid and phosphorus compounds and solar storms. Presumably those construction robots would need batteries and solar panels? Edited to add: I was not aware we also had floating drone microfactories that could spin balloons on Earth.
That’s what’s so great about theory. It works on paper and we have no way of testing it. Send the people to get everything straightened out on New Earth then the rest of us will join them. 😮
We should test the idea by making floating islands here on earth that remove carbon from our atmosphere and turn it into something useful.
Mars lost its atmosphere over many millions of years. That means that on human relevant timescales terraforming is not really limited by the atmospheric loss. It wouldn't be a permanent change to the planet, but it would be one that persisted in usable form for far longer than our species will last.
Ya man, these humans be trashin the entire solar system now. What slobs!
Exactly! This is one fact most people completely overlook. If we are able to terraform and increase pressure of Mars, then we certainly will be able to maintain it as well with ease. The atomsphere like you said is stripped away but very slowly and even a slight increase of "outgasing" compared to current natural levels would increase density of atmosphere over time.
Very interesting. I look forward to some good new hard science fiction about terraforming Venus starting with aerostats and hexagonal balloons. Perhaps you don't have to cover the entire planet anytime soon, just build multiple layers in a smaller zone, like above one of the poles. You could then create some kind of dome of human-friendly atmosphere between the layers, maybe start having robot agriculture to sustain visiting ships, or research colonies. You could even create small ecosystems where various earth species would be maintained, providing a Planet B where some endangered earth species could be maintained indefinitely. Since most primate species are endangered by changes happening on earth, maybe we can make a domed zoological park with multiple primate sanctuaries.
Hi Anton very cool vid, thanks. Have you ever done a vid on Uranus? this planet is usually left out in the cold, well in the very cold. I hope all is going well for you and your family. Chill bro x
I have to note that both using biology to change the atmosphere AND creating all these balloons take about 200 years. Perhaps it would be more feasible to create balloons as platforms to grow more atmosphere transforming life, cutting down time by both using plant life and technology to break down the co2 into usable carbon of various sorts.
Maybe we should concentrate on not terraforming Earth before we screw up other planets?
Exactly, unfortunately 😐.
Thanks, Anton. I would.visit Mars, the moon, or Venus if I could, but I prefer to finish my life here on earth.
Good video
I love this bold NASA such as the Martian rover that released the first ever Martian drone. I hope they don't ever climb back into their shell.
As if we took good enough care of this planet to start messing with our neighbor.
You could actually rotate your new surface in the"right" direction and set up your day night cycle to exactly mimic Earth's. This is a pretty decent idea. Over 1000's of yrs or however long, Venus would cool down, the winds would settle, and you could figure out ways to get rid of some of that atmosphere which would take you down closer and closer to the surface. Unless you just wanted to maintain the upper and lower crust like some sort of Jules Verne thing
Close to a million subs that’s wild
Millions and millions of red balloons
Floating in the venusian sky
Panick bells its red alert
Theres something here from somewhere else
Interesting ideas. Guess we will see what happens.
So Venus has a magnetosphere?? I would think that is a paramount requirement for terraforming needs.
Nice
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I remember a book I read long ago called "The Next 10,000 years". Terraforming Venus was in it.
Plus the balloons can be test run here we just have some co2 that wont be missed :) lifting gasses may be a problem as you would need something lighter than air. Always liked the thought that Air is a lifting gas on venus so you can use the balloons as air storage :)
not only did Venus likely have surface oceans once apon a time, there were animals on earth that were around at the same time.
*So glad we all live long enough, to see all of this happening !* 😉
Ye seen this, pretty crazy stuff
200 years is actually a pretty quick timeline. keeping in mind, that by developing the tech, we'll find even more efficient solutions as time goes on with the project.
Hello there!
I'm a big fan of the balloon colony idea. I don't think you need to cover the whole planet to change the albedo significantly. Probably you'd see an effect even at 30%. Besides, we don't need to terraform the whole planet from the beginning - we just need a starting base, somewhere for humans to reside without too much trouble. The clouds are a great place to do it - the temperature is nice, the balloons can float constantly and all we need to provide is breathable atmosphere and food and water. Probably one can extract a lot of useful things from Venusian atmosphere, so if we have the balloons, everything else becomes doable. And transfer windows are much better than for Mars.
I love space. That said, we have yet to come up with a justification for terraforming an inhospitable planet over taking care of our own (no matter how bad it gets).
Not only could you have cities built on top of the balloons, but if the surface of Venus can also be made habitable thanks to the shade from the balloons and reduction of atmosphere for building materials, then you could also build upside down cities on the underside of the balloons. And there are no oceans except whatever water we import, so Venus would have a ton of real estate, way more than Earth. It’d be an expensive journey, but certainly an intriguing frontier. I do think we should consider putting windows in the balloons though, because it’ll still limit sunlight on the surface, but that way surface dwellers can have sunlight.
I've always thought Venus is really the best planet for us to colonise. While Mars is easier to just drop a few habitats and people on, actually living there will always be a struggle. Gravity is weak, magnetosphere all but gone, terraforming would be a constant process, not a task you can just complete. Venus however has almost the same mass as Earth, it is the only other place in the solar system where we could truly build a second Earth. We can still establish small colonies on Mars, the Moon and other moons and planetoids, but Venus is the real prize in colonisation. That is the place where we could see billions of people living one day.