YOU WILL NEVER TUNE YOUR DRUMS THE SAME AGAIN
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2023
- In this video we'll cover how to tune ANY drum to PERFECTION. If you agree, or found anything at all in the video usefu, please subscribe, like the video, and give it a share (:
Thanks for everything!
Man this was spot on! I’ve always play electronic sets, and I just got my first one with no idea how to tune, but now my set is literally singing!
I’m so glad this video could help you! Thanks so much for your comment!
@@timmorrisdrums welcome! I’m a sound guy by nature so drums are second haha.
Been using this technique for 17yrs. The only way I tune. After this I will then listen for edge pitch and match the pitch all the way around.
It’s a great way I hope more people can learn about! Thanks for your tip!
Same!
Same here!
Yes, it’s the basic method that Rob Brown advocates. But so what? Someone who has never seen a Rob Brown video will have this show up in their feed and it could be helpful.
This is how I start with mine, then I fine tune to pitch using the iDrumTunePro app. But after starting out with this method, the fine tuning doesn’t take much.
Kudos on the Ultramarine Armory kit. Looks & sounds great!
Exactly people need to learn to see things in different perspectives.
Drums are musical instruments if you are going to learn to play learn to tune them so massive thank you for putting this out
That’s very true! I think a lot of drummers get discouraged by not having some general guide to tuning. Thanks so much for your comment!
After watching for 2 minutes I knew exactly where you got this technique from . Rob Beatfdown Brown’s drum Channel !
100% inspired by him (:
That's the best way I've seen for drum tuning after 40 years of playing drums. Just goes to show. We never stop learning.. thanks a lot. Rob J
Thanks so much for the comment! 🙂
There really is no right or wrong way to tune drums The main thing is not to have any wonky ring That’s why I laugh when all the UA-cam drummers say tune it my way Tune them till they sound right for you
We were all beginners once. When I was a beginner, I screwed up my snare drum tuning so badly that I didn't play again (in any real capacity) until I bought another snare drum. I thought it was a terrible drum and didn't touch it again until I had a friend teach me how to tune a snare... EIGHT YEARS later. If I'd have had someone say, "Try this way," instead of "Tune randomly until it sounds good," then I might have got it playable again before I was in college.
There definitely are wrong ways to tune drums. You should always aim for even lateral tension. Once that's achieved then you can bring the drum up or down to the desired range.
@@RockerBug17 Yes and you can loosen or tighten the head for the sound you want for the song but I was saying as long as there isn’t a awful wonky ring tuning a drum is up to the ears of the drummer
Setting the heads has nothing to do with tuning. You basically set the heads and then took that away. Tuning means to adjust them to a pitch.
Rob Beatdown Brown demonstrated this exact technique on his channel quite a while back. Good tip.
I’ve been playing drums for well over 20 years. I love how you explained finger tight, because not many people do that. In my preparation, there are more steps but we all have a process. Generally, the ideas are there and my only maybe critique. There’s more than one way to tune a Tom.
I’m glad you could find something from my video!
I watched your video and have to tell you that we change and tune surprisingly similar. One thing you could have added is the advantage of when pushing on the center of the head while putting on the new/different heads, also makes sure the head is seated properly on the shell.
Nice vid mate. As an Armory lover, their 22 bass drum with an emad batter is an absolute beast. 🍻✌️
Thank you so much! Also, yes you’re so right!
I do basically the same thing. I do the wrinkle trick followed by tapping around the drums to even out the lug tone. It took me years to figure out drum tuning. Watching all these drum videos online, I couldn’t ever duplicate it. I finally realized I won’t get that sound without the processing and mixing that they do as well. I play 1 up and 1 down so I try to get the tone of the floor Tom to be a 5th in a chord pattern, if that makes sense.
Yes totally! I'm happy to know I'm not alone in that! Mixing definitely plays a huge part for sure too! It 100% makes sense what you're saying! Thank you so much for your insight! 😃
Great video! Easy, simple, exactly what i was looking for 👍
Makes me so happy to hear! Thank you for your feedback 😁
Nice tutorial! I’ve never heard of this method, but looks ands sounds cool.
Thank you so much for stopping by! (: I’m glad you found some good use from this!
Good thoughts, thanks. As others mentioned, I also think it's good to follow this up with pitch tuning at the edges using a tuner. Can't say enough good about DrumDial as an amazing tool for getting even tension on the heads.
Great point!
The only thing I would add, is the final step for me is to lightly touch the head exactly in the centre with just one fingertip. Tap lightly with a stick around the perimeter at each lug. This is a drummer’s version of using harmonics, just like tuning a guitar, and gives the ear just a bit more information. Then you simply fine adjust until the “wows” are gone.
I have used this method I found out from another video from another drummer (Beatdown Rob) and it does work ...surprisingly simple ..
Me too! It’s a great method if you need a great sound fast! 😃
I like the autistic way of tuning drums.
I fingertighten it, then turn every screw on a shell for the exakt same amount in a starpattern.
Works out very well for me
I do this for years, i also tried the way i learned it from Thomas Lang, just press down the hoops firmly with the palm of your hand and finger tighten them and ready to go, maybe a little fine tuning thats all. Cool vid
Oh nice! I’ll have to check that out! Thanks so much for your input!
In the words of Rob Beatdown Brown-"Don't overthink it."
Who doesn’t tension working in a star pattern? Apparently you. Good luck with that.
It’s working out well for me and others. I do use the star pattern for my snare drum if you want to watch that video to make you feel less upset.
Snare wire vid!!!
Drives me crazy lol.
I've only been drumming 6 months and tuning was of course difficult in the beginning because I don't have a mentor/coach/teacher. I have never even had another drummer come help me set them up. Which is probably partly why my kit is setup like most people have never seen lol. I do this basic method to get started now as well. I play a PDP maple kit, and DW has a sample kit on their website with all the sounds.You just click each part and it plays it one at a time. I also use DW heads so it's perfect. That's my last check. I listen to the 10, 12, 14, 16 and then hit mine and fine tune. I check them every day before I start playing to find tune.
I searched long and hard on YT for "what does a 10" tom sound like in tune" kind of searches. There isn't as much out there as you might think. Thanks for the content bro. You have a new subscriber.
Good news! Snare wire vid is in the works right now! (: I totally get the struggles! Thanks so much for the sub!
Snare wire vid is up now 😁👍🏻
@@timmorrisdrums just saw the notification. Gonna go watch.
Sure, after I changed two the past week.🤣
🤘🥁🥁🤘
You have been learning from an elder haven’t you
Maybeeeeeeeeeeeee
Wrinkle tuning is the way to go..😊
Yes sir!😎
Love those Mapex. Great color.
Thank you! 🙂
this is something i’m gonna have to try
Let me know how it works out! (:
Can you provide details for the simple piano backing track? Also, going to try this approach next time I swap heads.
Have you done the Rogers Dynasonic..?
Enjoyed Bruh and thank you
Great strategy, man!
Thank you so much! I hope it was helpful! 😃
@@timmorrisdrums You know, I was taught to focus on the final pitch of the drum more so than the natural good-sounding tension of the head, which caused me plenty of mistakes along the way. I would tune thicker heads too tight, and thinner heads too low. But with your “wrinkle-elimination” method, you basically find the tension that’s right for the head. Very nice!
I rub vasoline on my heads where they meet the bearing edge so they stretch over them better. Also tightening and loosening going around the drum small increments not big half turns.
Nice Mapex kit they sound and look great.
That’s awesome! I never even thought of that! I’m going to try that out!
Parafin wax is good also
@@technicalitems731 that’s probably a better option
Learned this from Bob Gatzen years go. 👌
🔥🥁
Just starting out. This was/is extremely useful.
Glad it was helpful!
Gotta love Mapex kits... i have a Mapex Saturn V Studioease kit. Next step is the black panther kit. Either Mapex or SJC.
SJC seems great too!
Ive got a Black Panther Velvetone ! And a Saturn 3 !! Sold a Tama B/B for the Velvetone !
Try switching your rims to triple flange 3 mm and the drums will sound incredible. I did this on my Armory and ain't looking back. On the rack and floor toms.
Ouuu never even thought of that!
i just re started drumming after a 10 year gap (the joys of growing up and working nights ect) and i could never tune properly, my kit now needs a few replacement rims and a new set pf skins and i can't wait to try this!!!
i could never tune either... to be completely honest i always got my brother in law (fellow premier lover) to help me out/do it for me hahaha
This is such a relatable comment!! I’m so happy to hear you’re able to get back to drumming again. Hopefully this method will keep you from needing your brother in law to tune anymore 😂
@@timmorrisdrums hopefully, gonna retune once the wife goes to work later will let you know how i do.
i was pretty much pushed into gettin back to it by one of my best friends/guitarist haha, just need to refresh myself with fills ect, i'm really sloppy atm
Nice and simple video but what happen when you want to tune with notes?Or if you want floor toms very low ,bassdrum too and snare medium high?This method didn't work and you must tune individually.
Best way to tune toms!
You and @66Samus should collaborate. You're both fun to watch in that humorous way
This is an amazing comment! That’d be so awesome if we did!
Good stuff. I found you first.
My first sub named Tim! 😎😁
Do u do anything to dampen your kick? I’ve heard about people putting pillows on the inside.
Great question! I actually do use a pillow in my kick drum. It definitely makes a difference for dampening! 👍🏻
Have you tried switching to snare cord? I’ve found them to be much easier to get the wires straight and square, and also more sensitive. Game changer. Ludwig makes good cord, and it’s cheap for a good size length that lasts a long while. Favorite wires are the German or phosphor bronze 16-strand from dFd. Nice snare btw! I have that one, love the SLP snares. Kenny Sharretts has a video where he tunes that snare a few ways, check it out if you haven’t.
You know what, I haven’t yet! Thanks so much for the advice, I’m definitely going to look into it!
Polyester straps are a safer bet. Cord can dig into the edge of a wood shell. I stick to the black poly strap except for my Starphonic snares which Tama includes for the factory and my Yamaha snares which also use a cord from the factory. 95% of my snares have Tama wires that mostly use the black straps so I stick with what works and is the easiest to set up.
@@Assimilator702 Have you ever seen a cord cut into a wood shell? I have heard this myth repeated here and there, but nobody has seen one in the wild. I definitely have not, and I’ve got cord on everything from maple, walnut, birch, cherry, bubinga, box elder, hickory, mahogany, and some I can’t recall. Thin plies, steambent, stave, sharp edges, roundover edges. I think this is a leftover urban legend from the days of metal wires going right to the throw/butt on mahogany field drums. The fact that high end wood drums typically come outfitted with cord is telling. There is no way that a nylon cord OVER a layer of Mylar is going to press through the head and into a bearing edge. You would have to use a ratchet strap to generate that much force, and I’m still not sure if you could cut through the drum head.
Cord has several advantages - you have two points of manipulation to get the wires perfectly true and they self-align somewhat (straps may be ‘easier’ to install but they’re easier to get wrong); they pull from both corners of the plates instead of pulling from the middle; they’re extremely light/thin so they’re more sensitive and they don’t dampen the head; they don’t stretch or snap
@Dan G I think it is from the old days when drums were made of questionable woods. No emphasis was given to the types of wood used for drums. You just accepted what the drum maker used. My main issue with cord is that there are 2 points to pull when attempting to get the snared straight. Strap there is one. But you're e ighr one the points where the cord pull from provide a more broad even tension.
I don't tighten my wires much so straps have never given me an issue. I do like the white cord that Yamaha uses. The very thin coated wires Tama uses....not so much.
@@Assimilator702 Exactly, thin soft wood + some metal wires and I can see an issue. But quality drums + nylon cord, no way. You wouldn’t see $1000 drums with cord if this were a problem. I used straps for a long time, and then I used grosgrain for a while too (which imo is the best type of strap - far superior to the stiff plastic, and better than the kinda thick Puresound straps). Both are fine, and as you say they are faster and simpler. But over the years I’ve had some drums that are VERY sensitive to the wires being absolutely perfectly square and even - if you’ve ever had a drum where there’s some twangy aftereffect, it’s typically the wires not being perfect. I’ve come to see the 2 strands of cord vs one strap as a benefit because now you can REALLY get them lined up/adjusted with precision. (A quick test to check for “true” - flip the drum and disengage the wires, now watch the end plates as you engage: they should pull straight out. If you see one or both plates kinda wiggle/twist while engaging- they’re not pulling straight)
And then there are the ‘cord only’ systems like the old p-83 or the newer Dunnett beertap, both of which I kinda love. To each his own, there’s no wrong way of course. I would just encourage trying them, especially on a finicky drum or a drum whose snare response is not where you’d like it.
Rob Brown has been saying this for years. Check out his videos as well.
appreciate it
good video Tim .And if your drum sound still sucks after tuning just hit a good sound out of those disagreeing drums and you will feel better
Thanks so much for the great comment 😂😁
This technique works great if the bearing edge is level and decent. No chance on cheap poplar though!
When I tune I don't go off numbers or tuning to a specific note. I've learnt you can actually just feel where the head feels good.
I can now get any sound I want out of my drums with a few turns of one or two batter side tension rods. Meaning I can go from a Chili Peppers super high crack to a deep fat 80s snare sound in seconds.
Super useful for cover band gigs!
Exactly! 😎
Hi Tim, do you have any tips for tuning so that the rack toms don't make the snare buzz so horribly?? I'm just having that problem repeatedly no matter what I do. Are use gel pads to stick to the resonant heads and the batter heads of both the snare and toms and I'm still getting it --it's really driving me crazy
Hi 😃 That is definitely something that happens that can be frustrating. I would recommend checking out my snare tuning video. Sometimes the resonant head on the snare drum not being tuned tight enough can affect the wires buzzing.
Thank you Sir!@@timmorrisdrums
Tim you're the man. Went downstairs took my resonant Head to the extreme and tuned up the batter head as well. All the buzzing stopped immediately and it sounds better and performs infinitely better. I really am so grateful to you. God bless you brother.@@timmorrisdrums
@@dr.p3637 I’m so glad it worked! Anytime brother!
What’s you’re tune bot settings
Here's the funny thing. I keep my resonant heads looser than my batter heads. I always get a killer tune.
Also I can tune a bass drum without the need for muffling and a hole in the resonant head and achieve very little overring. It's all in how the heads react to each other. It takes years of developing an ear to what the heads sound like when they are correctly [subjective (tight snappy sound)]
Woah really?! You just blew my mind! 🤯
@@timmorrisdrums I might post a video of the kit I just recently tuned using that method. It's also a cheap Tama imperial star kit so no high end kit and you'll see how great even a cheap kit can sound.
Tim "beatdown" Morris?
I tune on the note I want, then I put a towel on the drum and climb on it. It's very effective if you want your drums to hold the chord, and on a snare drum (not the reso of course), it suppresses some annoying harmonic. Simon Phillips jumps on his bass drum head ! Then you tighten again because you lost at least a half tone. Tuning on a chord means checking it daily.
Nothing to do with the tones of the songs, you can't be in tune on all. There was this funny order in Whiplash "Tune the drums in Bb", like the conductor was talking about tympani ! But if you play in a jazz band you will encounter more b than in a rock band, so it's not that stupid.
should I get a set with 12 and 13 toms or a kit with 10 and 12 inch toms?
Great question! So, I’d say what it all comes down to is if you want bigger sounding toms on your kit and the genere of music you’re playing. My kit came with a 10,12,14,and 16 inch tom. I usually just use my 12in rack tom and 16in floor tom. If I want a smaller sound I’ll use the 10in and 14in tom. I hope this answer was helpful. 😁👍🏻
@@timmorrisdrums yea I ended up buying the pearl export with 14 snare, 12 tom 13 tom, 16 floor tom, 22 bass drum.
my buddy said it was more of a jazz set up but I heard some reviews and both sets sounded great.
Thanks for the video… will try this out. (TBH, I could do without the comedy sketch though.)
Glad you enjoyed! I’m also glad you found the sketch to be comedic at least 😅😁
Question to this community.
I brow a pearl drum set. But. The base has waves on part of the wood. When I tried to see my base side way, the paint had waves. i can feel those waves with my hands . Very strong. It is the wood bad. This guy stored this drum set in his garage, no ac.
Hey, thanks for reaching out! High temperatures cause the wood to warp, which leads to the deformation of the drumheads, which in turn has drastic impacts on the sound.
I recon that moon gel made a massive difference 🤷♂️
Indeed lol
This is probably the quickest way lol😂😂😂
I’d throw some ebony emperor “suede” heads from Remo on the toms.
I think you've been watching Rob Brown videos. 😎 Abide
Only the best 😎
on your final tuning did u go higher or lower?
I tuned them a little lower actually
@@timmorrisdrums oh okay, sounds great!
Definitely the Beatdown Brown method, which does work. However, I've noticed that tuning to a defined interval between the batter head and resonant head with a tunebot eliminates the weird ring in snare drums and the toms. Recently played around with a 12" tom using an interval and settled on an augmented 2nd which surprisingly worked out really well! To each their own though :)
Great tip! (:
In my experience; crank up the reso on the snare and then give the batter just one turn, slap a folded tea towel on the edge, and voila you got yourself a great sound
i’m hearing lot of ring on ma drum set not sure if it’s the stock heads it has or the bass drum that is empty on da inside but ima change them
Hey Ricky, definitely sounds like it is the stock heads and not having any dampening in the bass drum. Feel free to let me know how they sound afterwards 😁👍🏻
@@timmorrisdrums changed the heads and put a blanket in the bass drum sounds sm cleaner bro thanks alot
@@GonzalezDrums Estoy tan feliz de que funcionó! 😁
E grazie ar katz...
I did this for years but now I tune to pitches. My advice would be tunebot or drumtune Apps.
I’ll check them out! Thanks for the comment!
Can you define what you mean by one turn when turning the lugs?
Of course!
So what I mean by “one turn” is a 360 degree turn of the drum key. So wherever the starting position of your drum key is, before you turn it. You will turn it clockwise once until it’s back in the same position again.
Let me know if this helps! 😁👍🏻
@@timmorrisdrums thank you. Some people think of one turn as 180 degrees so thanks for clarifying
@@Adam-rh1gf of course!
For the newbies he used his phone or camera mic for the base tuning. The full tuning us being captured by the drum mics.
I know there's some who are gonna be "whaaa my drums don't sound as clear and detailed as his"
Believe it or not, the base tuning was captured by the drums mics as well.
Wish you had played them "tuned" without the dampening
I wish I did too 😅 I make many mistakes haha
Me too!
Like deployed 👍
I’m a bit different I use a tension meter on each lug, I tend to have more tension on the batter head and less on the res head. And I tune each drum to a specific note using a korg tuner.
I haven’t tried your method but, I’m going to try it out now! Thanks for your input!
The hand print on the reso head on kick 😖
Bothered me too 😂
Good luck to see the wrinkles on a drums kit using exclusively sanded heads except for the resonant snare!
Kinda like the Simon Phillips method
how do i know what key to tune the drum head?
There are tuning apps you can use on your phone, and you can also buy a Drum Dial to ensure all tuning lugs. I personally don’t worry about the key the drums are tuned to. I just go by what I’m hearing 😁👍🏻
Snare wires video please! Thanks!
You got it!
Just uploaded a snare wire vid! 😁
@@timmorrisdrums Thanks!
As. An mapex lover i only like the kit
I’ll take it 😁👍🏻
Keplinger 😗
3:11 Heh! Tightest head. 😏
Heh heh heh 😁
This does not work for my mapex iii every time I try it this why I always get a didgeridoo sound
Dude... I honestly think the "base tuning" sounds better. The drums are tighter and they're singing! There's no right or wrong way to tune.
I love the base tuning too! It just goes to show that this way of tuning can get you to a good sound already! 😁 I’m glad you enjoy!
I never tune my drums now.
Do you play Christian-Music? You look like Jesus, From,"Passion of The Christ".
All drums are different. There's no perfect way to do it. The only way to get proficient is to take all the heads off and put them back on over and over trying different tensions every time until you like what you hear. After a while you'll have muscle memory and know exactly how to tune YOUR drums the way you like them.
Factual
This just Rob browns method...
100% inspired by him! 🙂 I had a section in the video where I mentioned this but felt like it didn’t fit well. Also, I guess you could argue that everyone “copies” a method.
wow... that is muddy
I learned this from beat down Rob Brown years ago.
Surely guitar players tune guitars, drummers tension drums????
When you put it like that.. you’re right!
I think i cannot see wrinkles on white coated head
If you don't know how to tune your drums 🥁🎶,, you are not a professional drummer.
No engineer, or producer, will like your playing with untuned drums.
Trust me I know from being a drummer for 40 years.
100% it makes all the difference!
Hmmm wonder who you got this from lmaoooooo
Hmmmmm not the first time I’ve had this kinda comment 😂
eww.... another person spreading terrible advice. Learn to tune the real way and you'll get so much more flexibility with the tunings you get, as well as just having your drums actually sound good in the first place.
The end tho....typical UA-cam cringyness doesn't match the rest of the video.typical child predation tactics
😂true
Rob “ Beat down” Brown did it first.
Yes
This is a horrible way to tune drums. They aren’t even in tune at the end of your video.
Is anything ever really in tune these days?😂
“Yes. Just not your drums.”
Yoooo you’re funny 😂
Not funny, trying too hard. Chill, regroup, reset... and try a new approach. Word.
😂😂
these sound bad