@@carlosesteves5857 It's not being a doormat. Actually forgiveness is the ultimate expression of caring for yourself. Forgiveness does Not mean that it is okay when someone else does wrong; instead, it is the intentional release of your rightful feelings of anger and hurt. If you forgive, you free yourself from the hold of the person who has injured you. Forgiveness has little to do with the miscreant but it means everything to the victim. Philomena's act of forgiveness is courageous and it shows that she is more powerful than those who wronged her. She has learned from life; they have not.
I also went to Sean Ross Abbey around 7 years ago. So sad but I think Anthony out smarted the nuns by being buried at the abbey, knowing his mother would find him.
Wtf you talking about the Catholic Church was always there ffs. Protestantism came about during Henry Vlll as he created his own church due to the Vatican not granting a divorce to his Catholic Queen. Fuck...learn something before posting. The British were all Catholic prior to this change and plenty of them still are to this day.
Things could have been so different. Absolutely heartbreaking to watch this film. God bless you Philomena. Unbelievable cruelty from these nuns😡🤬🥵😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Thats the irony of it all the nuns were abusive and were basically trafficking children yet they self righteously believe they're better than everyone else and are without stain because they made vows to god and the those unmarried mothers were really the sinners! I don't know how Philomena forgave sister Hildegarde for her part it in it all I would have made sure to publicly name and shame her so she could never escape from what she did and so everyone would know what a vindictive old bitch she is!
I love that movie it made me cry 😭 when I went to Catholic School in the early the nuns were very very strict I still go to church and I still has for blessing from the nuns I needed to be shown that whole some of the nuns were I think it's so sad that it had no rights to keep their children with the nuns said that was not fair for the children the women paid heavy prices for what they did and they lived every day when they live there when the nuns were reminding them the girls never had a chance may God bless those children that were taken and died there it may God forgive those nuns if anything the woman that walked away from that place became very strong thank you for letting me know Philomena
That is why I hate nuns sometimes. They seem to casually forget that Mary wasn't even married yet when she got pregnant. Makes me happy I didn't grow up Catholic and grew up pentecost instead. God watches what his children do and reminds them of everything they did in their lifetime. I'm pretty sure the nuns who did this to her were bitterly reminded what they did to all those poor girls and were given the judgment Ireland never did.
Excellent movie and powerful scene. Next he says " I can't forgive you" and Philomena says "it must be exhausting", which I thought was an unnecessary line
Julienne Crispe she realy lost her son those mother fucker Pope's, Bishop's, Nun's, Priest's, Rabbi's, Boodest's, Alter Boy's, religious people and missionaries are a threat to everyone and everything God and Religion are fake like a filthy desised Fairytale. Everyone and everything is Sciance Dinosaur's, evaluation, nature, instincts and of that. Nobody has a baby like magic it takes tadpoles and eggs to make them.
It is cruel to regard any child as illegitimate. Every child is from God. No one has the right to call them illegitimate just because they were borne from unmarried parents. This mentality has created judgment and hate that forces so many to resort to abortion and abandonment. Every child is a gift. Every life is sacred. Every life is from God. Every life should be valued and given respect. Every life should be loved.
Every child comes from God! How I would love you to speak out as strongly against those that are born different Young gay men and women are accused of "choosing their lifestyle" when it is evident they dont have a choice at all. Some Countries put these young people to death, some in a more brutal way than others, or put them in jail......for what? They are just as precious as heterosexuals, they too are sent from God and deserve to be loved in the same way. We are all equal on Judgment Day
@Wilhelm Geisler - Most religions are pretty inconsiderate. In fact, any aspect of human culture designed to create an "Us" and a "Them" is inherently inconsiderate.
As a Catholic I’m repulsed by the behavior of this period of time in my religion. They weren’t following our beloved Jesus’s teachings and examples, but their own philosophies and interpretations….
vijay God is not real he's fake like a filthy desised Fairytale and Religion is fake to. Everyone and everything is Sciance Dinosaur's, evaluation, nature, instincts and of that we are the descendents of ape's. Adam and Eve are not real and Mary doesn't have a baby like magic. She must have had sex with an animal if she was real. So I say all the Pope, Bishop's, Nun's, Priest's, Rabbi's, Boodest's, Alter Boy's and Religious People must be sued. And if that doesn't happen people can use Vigaule Antie Justice like Catwomen. Attack and kill them.
Kaitlyn Banner he did the right thing to call her a fucking Nun. And when I was young I alway's knew that I had a very strong feeling on why I hated going to church so much. The holy people are frauds just like the telemarketing scams and computer fraud.
Because Sr Hildegard McNulty had died in 1995 and Martin Sixmith didn't first meet Philomena Lee and begin to help her with her quest until c2004, it is highly unlikely that the confrontation depicted here ever even took place. It is at least worth something In that it represents resentment and anger on the parts of mothers and their children who were kept apart by religious institutions and prevented from reuniting. It has, furthermore, been claimed that the real Sr Hildegard did, in fact, help to reunite many unmarried mothers with their children in later years
+Ewan O'Doherty thx for the historical notes Ewan! Much appreciated. I love history. I'm sure you're right too that the movie makers took poetic license in their approach to offer a sort of closure for the characters that they may not have otherwise gotten. Lovely.
So the film ( and the book ) decided to malign a innocent individual ? I am not saying that is untrue as I don't know the fact's - But it seems odd as these and worse injustices were real in Ireland and must have had real perpetrators that it was necessary. I suspect your nit picking is trying to defend what was basically indefensible
Ewan O'Doherty those mother fucker Pope's, Bishop's, Nun's, Priest's, Rabbi's, Boodest's, Alter Boy's, religious people and missionaries including the Church's, Siniagog's, Boodest's Temple's and Mangdline Laundries must be sued and all that money will be divided out too all of the people who have suffered by those holy people. And the left over change can be donated to NASA. God and Religion are fake like a filthy desised Fairytale everyone and everything is Sciance Dinosaur's, evaluation, nature, instincts and of that. Nobody has a baby like magic you need the tadpoles and eggs to make them.
the incident with sister Hildegard never occurred in real life it was added for dramatic effect. Sister Hildegard was not the monster portrayed in the movie. I know as she looked after me when I was born at Sean Ross neary 68 years ago.
I think one of the main things here is that philomena acknowledges that there is a wrong to be forgiven so that rather that accusing Hildegard she simply states she is forgiven, sister Hildegards doesn’t refuse it, she entirely understands that she has done wrong.
@@alanodonnel9063 I totally agree with u and didnt like how made a fool of Martin he was only defending her and the other poor women , like this scenes makes me angary because that nun didnt deserve a forgiveness and I dont think real Philomena forgive the nuns .
@@eamonflaherty5325 apparently the real sister hildegard was the person who put the real life philomena in the right direction of finding out about her son.
Quiero contar mi Historia en España derivada de una Excomunión a mis 2 años, por haber sido violada por orden de mi madre por sus hermanos (tíos Cura con sotana incluida, seminarista y el menor que por edad no pudo ya que tenía 6 años) y el abuelo materno, para que nadie me quisiera como mujer por haberme reventado y troto el Himen de la Virginidad. ESPAÑA NEGRA LO ES EN LA ACTUALIDAD, ya que lo derivado al Asesinato de mi padre 1957 en FAMILIAS ESPAÑOLAS por cuestiones de Propiedades y Herencias, con instigación de la Iglesia en el Régimen de Franco, cuya muerte en matanza que duró 4 días en eterno dolor y sufrimiento fue cruel, sin sentido, sin compasión y sin piedad, pesa hoy en día con una Sentencia de Condena en vida a no tener ninguna clase de Derechos para no cumplir con el mandato de mi padre en su venganza, cuyas últimas voluntades me las dio a mi. La canción del Olvido fue: "Te vamos a matar como a tu padre", debido a injusticias sin merecer por asuntos de los Separatistas catalanes, he tenido que recurrir a mi memoria para llegar al fondo del Asunto que es de Estado en el Sistema español.
Is that because are you watching the Mandalorian because Ahsoka Tano, Luke Skywalker, his sister Leia, Ezra Bridger, Boba Fett, Bo-Katan Kryze and even Grogu are celebrate the 50th birthday of Anakin Skywalker that he had died in return of Jedi. Yes because Philomena was celebrate the 50th birthday of her son Anthony but She didn't knowed that he died at Age 45 years Old in AIDS and She didn't knowed that he was gay. Is that because in Ahsoka and Ezra series we will see Ahsoka that She want to talks with Thrawn about the reason why Ezra tried to hidden because Ezra Remember that Thrawn told him that Vader Is Anakin After the liberation of Lothal.
I didn't like the message of this movie. It teaches you that you should be naive and allow evil people to get away with murder, rather than pursuing justice.
that's true enough- we don't actually see her seeking justice. At least she's not filled with bitterness and anger like Martin is thanks to her forgiveness@@carlosesteves5857
One of the saddest movies - the lies, the church endless coverups.
How Steve Coogan wasn’t nominated for an Oscar with this scene is beyond me.
Is that because he played Hades in Percy Jackson.
damn
This scene changed my life. It made me realize the power of forgiveness.
You mean being a doormat.
@@carlosesteves5857 lmao
@@carlosesteves5857 It's not being a doormat. Actually forgiveness is the ultimate expression of caring for yourself. Forgiveness does Not mean that it is okay when someone else does wrong; instead, it is the intentional release of your rightful feelings of anger and hurt. If you forgive, you free yourself from the hold of the person who has injured you. Forgiveness has little to do with the miscreant but it means everything to the victim. Philomena's act of forgiveness is courageous and it shows that she is more powerful than those who wronged her. She has learned from life; they have not.
@@zzydny yes. But you get justice first. Forgive second. That old b@tch nun deserved her jaw broken.
What a nasty piece of work that nun was. Evil personified.
self denial. and mortification of the flesh leads to hate and bitterness and so many evil acts.
Resentment of the choices you have made, directed at those who had nothing to do with them.
Such a strong, powerful scene
My sister lives near Templemore about 20 mins from Roscrea. She was at Sean Ross abbey to pay respects today.
I also went to Sean Ross Abbey around 7 years ago. So sad but I think Anthony out smarted the nuns by being buried at the abbey, knowing his mother would find him.
Powerful and loving so sorry for Philomena
It's funny, we fought so hard in Ireland to free ourselves from the British. Then we replaced them with the Catholic church.
Didn't the Catholic Church's presence pre-date that of the English?
Wtf you talking about the Catholic Church was always there ffs. Protestantism came about during Henry Vlll as he created his own church due to the Vatican not granting a divorce to his Catholic Queen. Fuck...learn something before posting. The British were all Catholic prior to this change and plenty of them still are to this day.
Things could have been so different. Absolutely heartbreaking to watch this film. God bless you Philomena. Unbelievable cruelty from these nuns😡🤬🥵😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I saw a movie poster that labeled this movie a "comedy from the director Stephen Frears" -- can you imagine anyone getting that so wrong?
1 things that you also wonder about is how many of those girls were raped or were pregnant because of incest they still got punished for it
@Wilhelm Geisler oh that is terrible I am so sorry that you had to observe that
This is what Jesus preached against, self righteousness. The nun’s so called “righteousness” is comparable to the Pharisees
Thats the irony of it all the nuns were abusive and were basically trafficking children yet they self righteously believe they're better than everyone else and are without stain because they made vows to god and the those unmarried mothers were really the sinners! I don't know how Philomena forgave sister Hildegarde for her part it in it all I would have made sure to publicly name and shame her so she could never escape from what she did and so everyone would know what a vindictive old bitch she is!
I love that movie it made me cry 😭 when I went to Catholic School in the early the nuns were very very strict I still go to church and I still has for blessing from the nuns I needed to be shown that whole some of the nuns were I think it's so sad that it had no rights to keep their children with the nuns said that was not fair for the children the women paid heavy prices for what they did and they lived every day when they live there when the nuns were reminding them the girls never had a chance may God bless those children that were taken and died there it may God forgive those nuns if anything the woman that walked away from that place became very strong thank you for letting me know Philomena
That is why I hate nuns sometimes. They seem to casually forget that Mary wasn't even married yet when she got pregnant. Makes me happy I didn't grow up Catholic and grew up pentecost instead. God watches what his children do and reminds them of everything they did in their lifetime. I'm pretty sure the nuns who did this to her were bitterly reminded what they did to all those poor girls and were given the judgment Ireland never did.
I love that line about Jesus I think it's Jesus was here now he would tip you out of that fucking wheelchair and you'll never get up and walk
Yep, having grown up in parochial school with a few of those nuns, it would have been my fantasy to dump her out. Then I’ll forgive her. 😄
Excellent movie and powerful scene. Next he says " I can't forgive you" and Philomena says "it must be exhausting", which I thought was an unnecessary line
I don't think she meant it to be insulting she's just saying walking around with a grudge must be exhausting
I love this scene
Julienne Crispe she realy lost her son those mother fucker Pope's, Bishop's, Nun's, Priest's, Rabbi's, Boodest's, Alter Boy's, religious people and missionaries are a threat to everyone and everything God and Religion are fake like a filthy desised Fairytale. Everyone and everything is Sciance Dinosaur's, evaluation, nature, instincts and of that. Nobody has a baby like magic it takes tadpoles and eggs to make them.
It is cruel to regard any child as illegitimate. Every child is from God. No one has the right to call them illegitimate just because they were borne from unmarried parents. This mentality has created judgment and hate that forces so many to resort to abortion and abandonment. Every child is a gift. Every life is sacred. Every life is from God. Every life should be valued and given respect. Every life should be loved.
It's part of society's efforts at social control - with organized religion as its means.
Every child comes from God! How I would love you to speak out as strongly against those that are born different Young gay men and women are accused of "choosing their lifestyle" when it is evident they dont have a choice at all. Some Countries put these young people to death, some in a more brutal way than others, or put them in jail......for what? They are just as precious as heterosexuals, they too are sent from God and deserve to be loved in the same way. We are all equal on Judgment Day
Love this movie...my top 3 f4vorite list
You left out when Martin says he *doesn’t* forgive the nun
The Question he couldn't have forgive the bitchy nun. He and Philomena should have attack and killed the Nun's and Priest's there.
@Wilhelm Geisler - Most religions are pretty inconsiderate. In fact, any aspect of human culture designed to create an "Us" and a "Them" is inherently inconsiderate.
It so very said Martin was very good he was brilliant we should have him full time and she was so brave
This is one of my favorite movies. 😍
wow wow wow, steves acting is incredible
As a Catholic I’m repulsed by the behavior of this period of time in my religion.
They weren’t following our beloved Jesus’s teachings and examples, but their own philosophies and interpretations….
You edited out he most powerful part
If Jesus were here he would tip you of that fucking chair... sweet
vijay God is not real he's fake like a filthy desised Fairytale and Religion is fake to. Everyone and everything is Sciance Dinosaur's, evaluation, nature, instincts and of that we are the descendents of ape's. Adam and Eve are not real and Mary doesn't have a baby like magic. She must have had sex with an animal if she was real. So I say all the Pope, Bishop's, Nun's, Priest's, Rabbi's, Boodest's, Alter Boy's and Religious People must be sued. And if that doesn't happen people can use Vigaule Antie Justice like Catwomen. Attack and kill them.
forgiveness is the action which is not a reaction
4:20 DAMM
Kaitlyn Banner he did the right thing to call her a fucking Nun. And when I was young I alway's knew that I had a very strong feeling on why I hated going to church so much. The holy people are frauds just like the telemarketing scams and computer fraud.
Because Sr Hildegard McNulty had died in 1995 and Martin Sixmith didn't first meet Philomena Lee and begin to help her with her quest until c2004, it is highly unlikely that the confrontation depicted here ever even took place. It is at least worth something In that it represents resentment and anger on the parts of mothers and their children who were kept apart by religious institutions and prevented from reuniting.
It has, furthermore, been claimed that the real Sr Hildegard did, in fact, help to reunite many unmarried mothers with their children in later years
+Ewan O'Doherty thx for the historical notes Ewan! Much appreciated. I love history. I'm sure you're right too that the movie makers took poetic license in their approach to offer a sort of closure for the characters that they may not have otherwise gotten. Lovely.
So the film ( and the book ) decided to malign a innocent individual ? I am not saying that is untrue as I don't know the fact's - But it seems odd as these and worse injustices were real in Ireland and must have had real perpetrators that it was necessary. I suspect your nit picking is trying to defend what was basically indefensible
5888max. Nuns are far from innocent. I know for a fact and neither are priests .
That's interesting.
The film obviously added this scene for the drama and to address the issue of families being separated.
Ewan O'Doherty those mother fucker Pope's, Bishop's, Nun's, Priest's, Rabbi's, Boodest's, Alter Boy's, religious people and missionaries including the Church's, Siniagog's, Boodest's Temple's and Mangdline Laundries must be sued and all that money will be divided out too all of the people who have suffered by those holy people. And the left over change can be donated to NASA. God and Religion are fake like a filthy desised Fairytale everyone and everything is Sciance Dinosaur's, evaluation, nature, instincts and of that. Nobody has a baby like magic you need the tadpoles and eggs to make them.
the incident with sister Hildegard never occurred in real life it was added for dramatic effect. Sister Hildegard was not the monster portrayed in the movie. I know as she looked after me when I was born at Sean Ross neary 68 years ago.
I think one of the main things here is that philomena acknowledges that there is a wrong to be forgiven so that rather that accusing Hildegard she simply states she is forgiven, sister Hildegards doesn’t refuse it, she entirely understands that she has done wrong.
Sister Hildegard looks lost for words at 5:02
Joseph Mullin she shouldn't have forgived her she should have got angry and attack her make her feel and suffer the pain that she had suffered.
@@alanodonnel9063 I totally agree with u and didnt like how made a fool of Martin he was only defending her and the other poor women , like this scenes makes me angary because that nun didnt deserve a forgiveness and I dont think real Philomena forgive the nuns .
@@eamonflaherty5325 apparently the real sister hildegard was the person who put the real life philomena in the right direction of finding out about her son.
@@josephmullin5845 Yeah apparently she died the same year her son died but I'm just talking about the movie wise
Philomena found her son through the help of Martin. Sister Hildegarde only looked after herself and the money.
Quiero contar mi Historia en España derivada de una Excomunión a mis 2 años, por haber sido violada por orden de mi madre por sus hermanos (tíos Cura con sotana incluida, seminarista y el menor que por edad no pudo ya que tenía 6 años) y el abuelo materno, para que nadie me quisiera como mujer por haberme reventado y troto el Himen de la Virginidad. ESPAÑA NEGRA LO ES EN LA ACTUALIDAD, ya que lo derivado al Asesinato de mi padre 1957 en FAMILIAS ESPAÑOLAS por cuestiones de Propiedades y Herencias, con instigación de la Iglesia en el Régimen de Franco, cuya muerte en matanza que duró 4 días en eterno dolor y sufrimiento fue cruel, sin sentido, sin compasión y sin piedad, pesa hoy en día con una Sentencia de Condena en vida a no tener ninguna clase de Derechos para no cumplir con el mandato de mi padre en su venganza, cuyas últimas voluntades me las dio a mi. La canción del Olvido fue: "Te vamos a matar como a tu padre", debido a injusticias sin merecer por asuntos de los Separatistas catalanes, he tenido que recurrir a mi memoria para llegar al fondo del Asunto que es de Estado en el Sistema español.
❤
Gildegard is evil 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Is that because are you watching the Mandalorian because Ahsoka Tano, Luke Skywalker, his sister Leia, Ezra Bridger, Boba Fett, Bo-Katan Kryze and even Grogu are celebrate the 50th birthday of Anakin Skywalker that he had died in return of Jedi. Yes because Philomena was celebrate the 50th birthday of her son Anthony but She didn't knowed that he died at Age 45 years Old in AIDS and She didn't knowed that he was gay.
Is that because in Ahsoka and Ezra series we will see Ahsoka that She want to talks with Thrawn about the reason why Ezra tried to hidden because Ezra Remember that Thrawn told him that Vader Is Anakin After the liberation of Lothal.
I didn't like the message of this movie. It teaches you that you should be naive and allow evil people to get away with murder, rather than pursuing justice.
This movie teaches that you need to add dramatic fiction to sell a film to the public.
@@jody8526937 lol
You can forgive and still seek justice.
@@Stratman389 Yes. But she didn't. She only wanted to forgive people the people who treated her like crap.
that's true enough- we don't actually see her seeking justice. At least she's not filled with bitterness and anger like Martin is thanks to her forgiveness@@carlosesteves5857
They should all be arrested.
❤