I thought when I started to grind the Z-52 line I would hate it, so I just viewed it as a challenge but ever since I got to Z-46 I've come to appreciate the play style and unique opportunities presented to have massive impact by having some patience and capitalising on mistakes that come from basic game logic like pushing/camping/plane spotting/etc. Also chunking DDs for 3.5k with AP is very satisfying though it feels like it's your only way to win gunfights against competent DD players in trade battles.
I stumbled across your videos, and I love them. I love that you have a realistic approach to them, and talk about what would make a ship better, but still keep it fair. Keep it up!
I think Z-52 needs more torpedo range (give torpedoes twelve kilometers) and Z-42 needs more anti-air damage (make guns dual purposed). It would also ''fix'' the Unique Upgrade being quite bad relative to the other options due to the ship having very low base values to push.
The smoke really does hold it back. It's the reason why I love playing my Z-42 over the Z-52. That and its AP shells arms on DDs and BB superstructures. 5k to 6k every 3 seconds on everything that goes broadside is amazing.
@@Zeugenschutz oh yeah, I just don't get the urge to play the 52 anymore since I got the 42. I might need to go back and play it again and see if I change my mind about it.
I use the leg mod in ranked with the gun reload and its very effective, its like having two modules in one slot. Add fearless brawler and u easily outgun all the Z 52 and Z 42 u always run into
I just love how people are not used to face German DDs and do not even know what to do. Like those hydroed Shimas. They just do not keep respectful distance, but rather die surprised.
Z-42 is now my z-52 gun build. I use leg mod and full torp build and I get to spam and keep most of my health. Having torp reload at 58sec before a/r is insane.
Basically there is one main problem with this whole line as of now i.e the smokes...sure WG gave it the worst smokes in the game but atleast then give it 5 base smokes like the YY line they will be the same shitty smokes but just a bit more so that this dd can play like a flexible dd
From my experience depends on DD on your side. When I play Gun DDs, Torp boats are mostly useless as I hunt or keep them in check. When I play BB and out DDs are very bad and just die, then yea enemy torp boats ahve a good time.
So how would I join the clan Edit: when you brought up how the Z fights other destroyers I’m kind of curious how daring/groz/druid/some other stuff stack in the mix of either free to kill or cancer to play against
i thing WG alergic to any DD that have 32 HE pent....look at Z35 good hyrdro + great smoke but they trash it with no turbo speed consumable n short range torp......EPIC balance WG
Not worth it. On paper you cross a lot of thresholds, but realistically, your dpm drops hard because of no fires. What its really most useful is for farming out bow in cruisers with HE in that case, but if you are farming bow in cruisers you're not playing the ship to its strengths and usually doing something inefficient with your time. For broadsides you can AP farm even BBs and cruisers, so there goes the IFHE value again. IFHE is generally a trash skill except for very niche situations like Schlieffen secondaries. The fact that more and more BBs get plating higher than 32mm also drops the value of IFHE even further. These days a lot of the BBs release with 50mm deck armour, and no amount of IFHE in the world will get your DD to pen that. The IFHE nerf was a big "f you" to the whole cruiser community since BB mains (which WG caters to since they bring in the most money for them, casual sh*tters as they are) were whining about fires and HE pens.
Z52 needs a small heal to be on par with Smoland, Ragnar, YY etc. If you have to engage dds open water and dont have islands to use, youll eat alot of dmg just for the first 300m to run into the dd and smoke + break. Radar dds will just turn out, kite in 6-7,5km range, pop radar and smack your dumb ass sitting in smoke without vision. Lacking the ability to slowly regain some health, limits the ship extremly in matchups against radar dds and radar support generally.
@@TheNiceDice no not a heal it needs more base smokes just like the YY because these smokes r so shitty on the Z and that's all I think ...5 base smokes and the whole line will become good enough
U r dependant completely on your team to do anything in this whole line of dds..WG first introduced this line and then said that they balanced everything around the hydro cause otherwise the line would be too OP but then they introduced the Vampire 2 which exactly the same but better at the same role and that is cap contest but then vampire can also play other destroyer roles very effectively so yeh WG logic of knowing Jackshit about their own game
@@EvoraGT430 it’s dependent on there not being many because your main gimmick is hydro trapping destroyers but then if there’s a radar and you’re in smoke you lose mad HP because you just got radared
@@EvoraGT430 well basically when u smoke u r sitting there and have hydro on but when u r radared u eat a lot of dmg cause u r sitting stationary and u r not very maneuverable so u suffer...
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Neat detail.
I thought when I started to grind the Z-52 line I would hate it, so I just viewed it as a challenge but ever since I got to Z-46 I've come to appreciate the play style and unique opportunities presented to have massive impact by having some patience and capitalising on mistakes that come from basic game logic like pushing/camping/plane spotting/etc. Also chunking DDs for 3.5k with AP is very satisfying though it feels like it's your only way to win gunfights against competent DD players in trade battles.
I stumbled across your videos, and I love them. I love that you have a realistic approach to them, and talk about what would make a ship better, but still keep it fair. Keep it up!
I think Z-52 needs more torpedo range (give torpedoes twelve kilometers) and Z-42 needs more anti-air damage (make guns dual purposed).
It would also ''fix'' the Unique Upgrade being quite bad relative to the other options due to the ship having very low base values to push.
The smoke really does hold it back. It's the reason why I love playing my Z-42 over the Z-52. That and its AP shells arms on DDs and BB superstructures. 5k to 6k every 3 seconds on everything that goes broadside is amazing.
I am sure the higher calibre guns on the Z52 even out the damage between them.
@Zeugenschutz but even if it does even out on damage, having the short burst smokes makes it worth playing over Z-52 in my opinion.
@@dadyorj2323 both are great, 42 is more comfortable but the 52 is still strong
@@Zeugenschutz oh yeah, I just don't get the urge to play the 52 anymore since I got the 42. I might need to go back and play it again and see if I change my mind about it.
@@dadyorj2323 Try a funky build for a laugh.
I use the leg mod in ranked with the gun reload and its very effective, its like having two modules in one slot. Add fearless brawler and u easily outgun all the Z 52 and Z 42 u always run into
I just love how people are not used to face German DDs and do not even know what to do. Like those hydroed Shimas. They just do not keep respectful distance, but rather die surprised.
Z-42 is now my z-52 gun build. I use leg mod and full torp build and I get to spam and keep most of my health. Having torp reload at 58sec before a/r is insane.
Try leg mod full gun build its a great all rounder
Z's leg mod needs to be kleb's leg mod basically
gimme 5.4km Z-52 with stealthier torps and 6s reload
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Basically there is one main problem with this whole line as of now i.e the smokes...sure WG gave it the worst smokes in the game but atleast then give it 5 base smokes like the YY line they will be the same shitty smokes but just a bit more so that this dd can play like a flexible dd
I feel like torp boats have been rendered kinda useless in 2024, with the possible exception of Jager
From my experience depends on DD on your side. When I play Gun DDs, Torp boats are mostly useless as I hunt or keep them in check. When I play BB and out DDs are very bad and just die, then yea enemy torp boats ahve a good time.
So how would I join the clan
Edit: when you brought up how the Z fights other destroyers I’m kind of curious how daring/groz/druid/some other stuff stack in the mix of either free to kill or cancer to play against
druid is not a very good ship but it is pure cancer to fight in any destroyer, kind of a 1 trick pony in that way
i thing WG alergic to any DD that have 32 HE pent....look at Z35 good hyrdro + great smoke but they trash it with no turbo speed consumable n short range torp......EPIC balance WG
Have you tried IFHE z42 ?
Not worth it. On paper you cross a lot of thresholds, but realistically, your dpm drops hard because of no fires. What its really most useful is for farming out bow in cruisers with HE in that case, but if you are farming bow in cruisers you're not playing the ship to its strengths and usually doing something inefficient with your time. For broadsides you can AP farm even BBs and cruisers, so there goes the IFHE value again. IFHE is generally a trash skill except for very niche situations like Schlieffen secondaries. The fact that more and more BBs get plating higher than 32mm also drops the value of IFHE even further. These days a lot of the BBs release with 50mm deck armour, and no amount of IFHE in the world will get your DD to pen that. The IFHE nerf was a big "f you" to the whole cruiser community since BB mains (which WG caters to since they bring in the most money for them, casual sh*tters as they are) were whining about fires and HE pens.
Z52 needs a small heal to be on par with Smoland, Ragnar, YY etc. If you have to engage dds open water and dont have islands to use, youll eat alot of dmg just for the first 300m to run into the dd and smoke + break. Radar dds will just turn out, kite in 6-7,5km range, pop radar and smack your dumb ass sitting in smoke without vision. Lacking the ability to slowly regain some health, limits the ship extremly in matchups against radar dds and radar support generally.
@@TheNiceDice no not a heal it needs more base smokes just like the YY because these smokes r so shitty on the Z and that's all I think ...5 base smokes and the whole line will become good enough
So it’s basically like a vampire 2 but you’re dependent on radars? Lmao
U r dependant completely on your team to do anything in this whole line of dds..WG first introduced this line and then said that they balanced everything around the hydro cause otherwise the line would be too OP but then they introduced the Vampire 2 which exactly the same but better at the same role and that is cap contest but then vampire can also play other destroyer roles very effectively so yeh WG logic of knowing Jackshit about their own game
How is it dependent on radars?
@@EvoraGT430 it’s dependent on there not being many because your main gimmick is hydro trapping destroyers but then if there’s a radar and you’re in smoke you lose mad HP because you just got radared
both vamp and z are unplayable when radared so there's not really anything uniquely bad there. vamp2 is just a way better ship overall.
@@EvoraGT430 well basically when u smoke u r sitting there and have hydro on but when u r radared u eat a lot of dmg cause u r sitting stationary and u r not very maneuverable so u suffer...