20 Modern MTB Wheels Reviewed and Compared (Carbon and Aluminum) - ENVE vs Reserve vs F+B vs Others

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  • @NoBrakes23
    @NoBrakes23 Місяць тому +17

    I've been subscribed to Hardtail Party for years and Dusty Betty even longer, but somehow I only found this channel today. Glad I found it.

    • @MTB2139
      @MTB2139 Місяць тому +1

      Ditto

    • @ProWhiteAntiJew
      @ProWhiteAntiJew Місяць тому

      You should link those channels for us 😊

    • @Uhmm485
      @Uhmm485 Місяць тому

      Me too :-)

    • @jamest2660
      @jamest2660 25 днів тому

      Same. I had no clue this existed.

  • @jamiehass138
    @jamiehass138 Місяць тому +10

    This is probably the best deep dive video I’ve watched about wheelsets. It should be a much watch video for anybody that’s in the market for a new wheelset.
    You did an amazing job of pointing out how these wheelset differ and what types of rider each wheelset is best suited for.
    Hopefully you’ll be able to test some DT Swiss and I9 wheelsets at some point.

  • @bigdogsrunhot
    @bigdogsrunhot Місяць тому +5

    The level of quality and knowledge you deliver is unreal. Thank you for your contribution to the bike world

  • @billybob7088
    @billybob7088 День тому

    Astral, White and Rolf all under "one" house now. great products

  • @kevinclark9176
    @kevinclark9176 4 дні тому

    Amazing work and filled with great information. I don’t know how you have collected so many! Maybe you need to do a full shop tour if you haven’t. Though, I know you’re now moving.
    Glad you addressed the main elephant in the room of not having We Are One, those seem to be some of the most recommended on the forums I’m in. But also NOBL and I’ve seen some good chatter on Newmen, which aren’t so common here unless you’re buying a Propain.

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  2 дні тому

      I did a full shop tour a few months back

  • @singlespeedseth7979
    @singlespeedseth7979 5 днів тому

    Been looking to upgrade my rigid single speed wheelset - Trying not to add too much weight but those ZIPP 3ZEROs sound neat!

  • @ElevationEveryWeekend
    @ElevationEveryWeekend Місяць тому +7

    Thanks for giving some props to 29x3. I have Stans Baron MK3 running 3” XR2’s and it has been fantastic, mine is on a Salsa Beargrease (carbon fat bike) and it is my long gravel ride adventure bike. I have Ibis 933 (~30mil wide) on my DV9, and I really think they are a fantastic budget wheelset for XC/trail riding.

    • @MTB_CRZY
      @MTB_CRZY Місяць тому +2

      @@ElevationEveryWeekend hey thanks for also making some of the best cycling content on youtube. Stay awesome 😎

    • @ElevationEveryWeekend
      @ElevationEveryWeekend Місяць тому +1

      @@MTB_CRZY thank you!

  • @pedrovillagomez8528
    @pedrovillagomez8528 3 дні тому

    Excellent video and the information top notch as everything you do!🙏 do you have any information on NOX Farlow’s?

  • @ELEX.Sports
    @ELEX.Sports Місяць тому +4

    Great video! Such a great topic to cover!

  • @brianmalzahn4035
    @brianmalzahn4035 Місяць тому +3

    Steve, I bought some Zipp 3Zeromotos 2 years ago based on your original reviews. I like that you are honest about them being a challenging wheel build….but I’d like to add that if someone is not the home bike mechanic, DIY, wheel build and wheel truing guy they should plan on becoming that guy! I’ve been riding and racing since the early 90’s, owned a lot of wheels over the years, but never had such wonky wheels until the Zipps entered my life. They’re for the “mostly round = true” kinda guys for sure. They even came out of the box from Zipp a little funny. I ended up rebuilding them on Onyx hubs after a year or so as you have. However, with all that out of the way….I just absolutely love these wheels on my hardtail. Can’t really describe them, they seem to swim through singletrack like nothing else. They just need me (and a spoke wrench) as much as I need them.

  • @mikej1348
    @mikej1348 Місяць тому +3

    Great comparison Steve. The Ibis wheels and the Spank Vibrocore wheels seem like good options for me.

  • @mikeparrinello2491
    @mikeparrinello2491 Місяць тому +1

    nobl wheels would be a good addition.

  • @158158cow
    @158158cow Місяць тому

    Great video! Notes: New Stan’s wheels optioned with M-Pulse hubs use the P321 magnetic pawls, but the rest of the design is unique. E-Sync hubs use 4-pawl hubs at 8.2° engagement intervals and chromoly axles. The P321 G3 hub is similar, but different. The M-Pulse hubs from Stans have a nice retaining ring to keep the pawls attached when the freehub body is removed.
    Some wheels I’m riding:
    Enigma: Stan’s Flow S2 front, EX3 rear w/ M-Pulse hub.
    Shred Dogg: Praxis AL32 (asymmetric) laced to P321 G2. Painful to seat tires, since the spoke holes overlap the surface where the bead starts to seat. Older rim tape is worse in this case since it sags into the spoke hole.
    Megatrail MX: Stan’s Flow S1 front, DT EX511 to P321 G2 rear. Hub is a little draggy, so I’ll clean and re-grease. This hub grenaded a magnet. Crash replacement $50 or so for a new, full set. Pulling the shards of magnet out from the drive ring sucked.
    Legend: EX511, Hope Pro 5 rear hub.
    Prior sets:
    Giant AM-2. Soft with brittle formula hubs.
    Onyx Classic was a wonderful hub.
    Hydra / Baron Mk3 w/ Sapin CX-Ray spokes. Snapped the axle, but I9 sent replacement V2 axle with bearings, no questions asked. I miss that wheelset, but wanted to move on from the Hydra hubs.
    I ought to be more in tune with spoke tensions, etc…

  • @FelixLux-jl8cb
    @FelixLux-jl8cb Місяць тому +1

    Top notch video Steve, thank you!

  • @Alex_564
    @Alex_564 Місяць тому

    Thank you for the video. The Stan's Arch MK4 is i28mm. I just ordered a custom set for my drop bar atb which will be running 29x2.35 xc tires.
    It's good to know that the Astral Serpentines aren't stiff, as I've been running those wheels for over 3 years now with i9 1/1 hubs. Been running with 29x2.6 tires & really enjoy the combo. Now the upgrade itch has been quelled! Appreciate it.

  • @raceace
    @raceace Місяць тому +1

    The Zipp 3Zeromotos are absolutely amazing and turn a stiff hardtail into a limo. Tracks wonderfully, takes out the harshness fiddling around with fine suspension setting cant, and mountain goats rocky technical uphills, One of the best purchases I've made in 30 years of MTB riding. Surprised I don't see more around.

  • @colinvanwerkhoven3043
    @colinvanwerkhoven3043 Місяць тому +3

    Would love your thoughts on Nobl wheels!

  • @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5
    @50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5 Місяць тому +1

    Awesome in-depth wheel/rim discussion. I have to agree that the best rims I’ve ever used were the ibis rims, I’ve ridden both the 735 and the blackbird set. They are bombproof and I’m over 200lbs. I’m sold on the 35 internal width. But currently I’m running an aluminum Reserve HD 32 spoke with DT 350 Swiss hub, these are very stiff and tuff also, on my full squish.

  • @smalltimeadventures_usa
    @smalltimeadventures_usa Місяць тому +3

    Thanks for the video. Good job as always.

  • @justinofboulder
    @justinofboulder Місяць тому +1

    Awesome video, thanks Steve!

  • @JS-sy8mo
    @JS-sy8mo 3 дні тому

    Got out on some Onyx hubs and super freaky light Nextie rims (cxray spokes) for the first time yesterday...If you haven't tried silent hubs you've got to try them, and man epically light rims make even the slightest downhill feel like you're flying!! (and even at 200lbs and for single speed, the onyx guys tried to get me to go with Vespers...I still wanted the classics though haha)

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  2 дні тому

      Way to hold out for the classics, it's worth it

  • @michaellee3852
    @michaellee3852 29 днів тому

    Well done comparison, just sharing that my experience with WTB CZRi30/Hydra wheel set has been fantastic. Please consider adding these in the future and also e*thirteen's new Flux line up!

  • @Blair_Bags
    @Blair_Bags 22 дні тому

    I have the elite wheelset (the previous models? i27 for my XC bike). They weigh slightly more than 1300g and costed me less then $700. Been riding them pretty hard for about 6 months now and they have held true and quite frankly could be my favorite wheelset. Highly recommend

  • @MTB_CRZY
    @MTB_CRZY Місяць тому +1

    I'm so glad I bought my Horizon v2 wheelset, I just wish I could get a XD driver body for them because mine came with Microspline and all my spare higher end parts are Sram.. great video, thank you for taking the time to explain the differences in all these wheels. you are the BEST! hope you are feeling at least a little better these days. Cheers.

    • @EasternOT
      @EasternOT Місяць тому +4

      From what I’ve read, Spank hex hubs are the same hubs as the nukeproof horizon v2 hubs. You should be able to buy a spank XD driver and install It

    • @MTB_CRZY
      @MTB_CRZY Місяць тому +1

      @@EasternOT you are a godsend. People are using a spank hex hub driver with a nukeproof horizon non drive side end cap and a spank end cap on the drive side to elimate a little play in the hub (caused my spank have dust seals vs nukeproof who didnt). Cheers mate, youve saved me from buying a whole new wheelset 😅

    • @EasternOT
      @EasternOT Місяць тому +1

      @@MTB_CRZYsweet I’m glad you were able to find more info about It!

  • @cliffolson6005
    @cliffolson6005 Місяць тому

    Good stuff. Do another down the road if it suits you. Maybe have a look at SPANK wheels

  • @shang-teyang7293
    @shang-teyang7293 Місяць тому +1

    Mello Bouwmeester started the single layer rim, and either licensed or sold the patent to Zipp. He worked with Crank Brother on the Synthesis.

  • @scottyb5072
    @scottyb5072 24 дні тому

    Thanks for the Masterful Insight!

  • @MosheHaddas
    @MosheHaddas Місяць тому

    Great video. What about the Hunt proven? They are carbon and cost around 1000$

  • @hardmtnbiker
    @hardmtnbiker Місяць тому +1

    Love this content Steve. I definitely geek out about wheels and have many custom sets similar to yours. I completely agree with the Berd spoke wheels and have sent Berd a few hub sets and had them custom built up with /from Berd. One of my Berd sets have the ONYX hook loop Vesper hubs laced up to DT Swiss XM481 rims. As for Zipp carbon, I have the XPLR 101 rims custom built with Chris King hubs, amazing unique carbon feel. I also love wide rims. I have i35 CB7 Stan’s Baron rims, i35,i40 and i45 RaceFace ARC rims.
    I completely agree that carbon can be lighter but isn’t always. Berd spokes are not only lighter but offer better vibration dampening properties. Double and triple butted spokes laced 3 cross with 32 hole rims also have better dampening properties than 28 or 24 spoke wheels.
    Almost every wheel set is used with CushCore, CushCore Wide and CC Gravel. I feel like that also makes the wheels more durable and more dampened too.

  • @quinnharnett1311
    @quinnharnett1311 24 дні тому

    Seems like the ENVE M6 40i is gone from their lineup. Would love to invest in some 27.5+ carbon hoops but cant seem to find any in the wider internal width anymore!

  • @RootsRocksRaffi
    @RootsRocksRaffi Місяць тому +1

    I LOVE my Evil Loopholes on a full suspension as well. Shame they don't make them anymore, but to your point they're very similar to other F&B products. They feel precise but not too stiff and I put a real beating on them riding in the techy northeast. zero complaints in ~1.5 years of riding them.

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +1

      I don't think id be able to tell between all f+b wheels, whether evil, atomik, chris king, or f+b. They all feel the same to me

    • @RootsRocksRaffi
      @RootsRocksRaffi Місяць тому

      @@BigBrainParty a big part of why Evil decided to back out.

  • @KSIXRIDER
    @KSIXRIDER Місяць тому

    Nice rundown

  • @trillbill9378
    @trillbill9378 Місяць тому

    Solid insight on the ZIPP wheels! I run a 29" ZIPP 3zero moto as a front wheel on my Transition Patrol (Mx) with an e13 carbon rear (27.5) The zipp definitely had flex/squirmed too much for me to run it as a rear wheel but I absolutely like it as a front wheel.
    Thanks for all the "big brain partys" 👊

  • @rpiian
    @rpiian Місяць тому

    I love carbon wheels and I can’t lie 😂. Have two NOBL (TR37 on process 153 and TR38 for 29+ on blizzard) sets and they have been awesome. Only trued the rear once over two seasons.

  • @dennisfloyd8514
    @dennisfloyd8514 Місяць тому

    Loved this. Unfortunately I don’t have the $$$ to have different wheel sets but this is very interesting. Im kinda stuck with the bontrager line 30s that came with my Roscoe although I’ve been happy.

  • @p.c.9714
    @p.c.9714 Місяць тому

    I am waiting for new aluminum wheels to upgrade my 2023 TREK Roscoe 9. They are custom built based on DT Swiss XM421 and the fantastic new HOPE Pro 5 hubs. I use 2.40 tyres instead of the 2.60 OEM that I found way too big for me.

  • @syms85
    @syms85 Місяць тому +1

    Got some new Nukeproof for £240 for both! Evens cycles with Fraser club card.

  • @fudganuld
    @fudganuld 24 дні тому

    Love my Horizon V2's, coming on 2 years old and no issues what so ever..Quality Wheelset...ha!

  • @ssmtb
    @ssmtb Місяць тому

    Thanks for another great video Steve, Nukeproof HZN V2 are still going strong, they've been a great upgrade to my Ragley Big AL HT
    (Which sadly is also discontinued since CRC/Wiggle went down)

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +1

      Such a sad day when they announced that.

  • @mikestivers8302
    @mikestivers8302 Місяць тому

    my Megatrail has Spank 350's; Mayhem 130 has WAO Faction; Enigma has E13 Grappler Race; and Spindrift has WAO union/strife.
    i'm kinda interested in Derby, and Atomik hoops. both seem quality.

    • @158158cow
      @158158cow Місяць тому +1

      Nice fleet! I have a Megatrail and Enigma, amongst some other gems 🤘🏼

  • @Thevanillacorp
    @Thevanillacorp 7 днів тому

    Hi Steve, do you have any thoughts about the "affordable" ENVE AM30 especially for a hardtail use?

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  2 дні тому +1

      I haven't tried em yet, but I'd like to.

  • @flexxx222
    @flexxx222 Місяць тому +1

    Steve, what is your opinion about spoke count on hardtail wheels especially? I could get my hands on a set of 24 hole straightpull boost DT Swiss 350 hubs and had the idea of building a wide xc/light trail wheelset with 35i carbon rims. Would that topic make for an interesting video? Thanks for you great content btw!

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +1

      Def an experiment for s future video

  • @shanemb3
    @shanemb3 27 днів тому

    Why are so many places out of stock? I’d buy the spinergy wheels but they’ve been out of stock for months. So are Zipp.

  • @MUCKM4GNET
    @MUCKM4GNET Місяць тому

    @BigBrainParty definitely love to see a comparison to the Hope Fortus Single Cavity 30 wheels with the fantastic Hope Pro 5 hubs.

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому

      Id love to compare those back to back as well. I've never seen either in person before.

  • @davidbolam71
    @davidbolam71 Місяць тому

    Hope you can test Nobl rims!

  • @denisrogers4358
    @denisrogers4358 Місяць тому +1

    I think of ya often and fondly…
    Hope you are doing well amigo.

  • @pipeliner360
    @pipeliner360 Місяць тому

    Waiting on a set of Astral Serpentine alloys. Reassuring to hear good things about them!

  • @jacob6440
    @jacob6440 Місяць тому

    Missed dt swiss be interested to see how they compare to other brands would also be interested in seeing the bikes own brand wheels like Bongtager etc in this list

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +1

      I need more long term use with those wheels before I share my opinions on them. Im not a huge fan of dt wheels. Ive had more pinch flats/chopped tires with those than anything else. I know everyone but me loves them and says they're indestructible but I'm bot a huge fan

  • @TryRebooting
    @TryRebooting Місяць тому +1

    I love my Blackbird Send rims but I can't say the same for the Ibis logo hubs. The engagement is fine but the durability has been awful. Within 1500 miles, the wheel bearings themselves went bad. Tried to service them but they're sealed so they need to be replaced. I've heard it's a pretty common issue from other people with the same wheels so I think I'm just going to get them re-laced to a better hub like a DT Swiss or i9.

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +1

      Can you not just press out the beatings and replace them with something higher quality?

    • @billbelgum9770
      @billbelgum9770 Місяць тому +1

      Yes, you can press the existing bearings out and replace them. 🙂

    • @TryRebooting
      @TryRebooting Місяць тому

      @@BigBrainParty Absolutely, and this is my ignorance to the internals but I thought that would simply prolong the issue before it reoccurred. I was thinking changing the hub would avoid it reoccurring. I've had a pair of i9 1/1s that have been through much worse conditions and they're still super smooth.

    • @billbelgum9770
      @billbelgum9770 Місяць тому

      @@TryRebootingyou could replace a lot of bearings for the cost of a new hub and relacing the wheel.
      There are a number of how-to videos on the subject here on UA-cam, or a shop could do it for a reasonable cost.
      If you use higher quality bearings, the time between change-outs should increase as well.
      As Steve said, these wheels are spec'd on Ibis' lower/medium builds.
      IMO, comparing the Ibis-branded hubs to I9 1/1's isn't really fair.
      Good luck whichever way you go!

  • @MTBCRINGE
    @MTBCRINGE Місяць тому

    pretty sure nukeproof is gone everywhere but may be restructered after the buyout. they might be back in a couple years.

  • @pbskater3
    @pbskater3 Місяць тому +1

    I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Nobl wheels, it'd be great if they sent you some!

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +1

      I agree. Id assume they feel like light bicycle. I know light bicycle makes NOBL's rims to NOBL's specs

    • @davidbolam71
      @davidbolam71 Місяць тому

      I have Nobl TR 32 (last gen rim) DT Swiss spokes, Onyx SS hub and DT 180 front hub. I can say that for me they ride smoother than my aluminum wheels I replaced them with. They are the most comfortable wheels I’ve ever owned and I have been riding since the 1988 on MT bikes. I’m happy with the way they ride, wish I put on Berd spokes, but, the cost was a lot more a few years ago.

  • @sandy_knight
    @sandy_knight Місяць тому

    AFAIK Nukeproof are no more anywhere in the world. There may be some new old stock still for sale but they no longer have any official dealerships and they no longer sell online (their website still lists all the products but it also says they have dealers in the US so I don't think its been updated in a while). I know Adam Brayton was sponsored by them and still rides a Dissent but he's mentioned that if he breaks it that's it, even he can't get any spares.

  • @judapufon
    @judapufon Місяць тому

    I got 2 sets on my two bikes of the horizon V2 nukeproof.

  • @brassmnky33
    @brassmnky33 Місяць тому +2

    Do you find carbon wheels to keep true and or keep tension longer or is that more of a wheel stiffness property?

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +3

      Depends on the wheel and who built it, but generally, most carbon wheels dont need as much truing as most aluminum wheels

  • @syms85
    @syms85 Місяць тому +1

    New BFe out today Steve. Are you going to review it?

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +4

      Maybe when i get healthy enough to ride hardtails again

    • @syms85
      @syms85 Місяць тому

      @@BigBrainParty all the best buddy I hope your are well soon

  • @christianjepsen6788
    @christianjepsen6788 Місяць тому

    Any experience with Derby Rims or Nexie rims?

  • @Drakesilon
    @Drakesilon Місяць тому +1

    I’d be interested if Reserves Aluminum wheels would have the same stiff-leaning character, that warranty is super attractive but my hardtail legs have a good argument against me lol

  • @bigdogsrunhot
    @bigdogsrunhot Місяць тому

    Thanks!

  • @CarlosMartinez-vw5tv
    @CarlosMartinez-vw5tv Місяць тому

    Steve I have a set of 3Zeromotos with Berd spokes and they work fantastic I rode mine on my Chromag stylus , dirt jumped them and trail rode them. since then I have sold the bike except the wheels , the are going on my Shadow cat

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому

      Awesome Which nipples did you use for the build? Im curious how they're taped for tubeless

    • @CarlosMartinez-vw5tv
      @CarlosMartinez-vw5tv Місяць тому

      I am planning to move back to AZ maybe I just let you ride them and Disect them =)

  • @The_One-Eyed_Undertaker
    @The_One-Eyed_Undertaker Місяць тому +2

    You're joking, right?
    No DT Swiss... no (Hardtail) party! 🎉🥳🎉

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +2

      I dont have any of those in for review. Im not a huge fan of the 1900s or the 1700s. I know everyone else loves them, but not me

  • @MrTrixton
    @MrTrixton Місяць тому

    Enve have switched to normal spokes now

  • @scholotzkys395
    @scholotzkys395 Місяць тому +1

    Reserve aluminum, very little out there about them

  • @dragoschisavu
    @dragoschisavu Місяць тому

    What bout the Dt Swiss M1900? Btw how do I get those hardtailparty stickers?

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому

      I sell hardtail party stickers through patreon. Patreon.com/hardtailparty

  • @charlesrichmond4414
    @charlesrichmond4414 Місяць тому

    Knight wheels are nice, but they are not the strongest and are terrible with warranty. I cracked a rear wheel on some blue tech. Nothing crazy. Rim was within warranty. Knight refused to replace the rim. Will never buy from Knight again

  • @glen3509
    @glen3509 Місяць тому

    I want to order a set of Mavic Crossride 26" wheels. ($600.00$650.00🍁) I'm just wondering, with fewer spokes, what weight can they hold. I'm 250 lbs.

    • @p.c.9714
      @p.c.9714 Місяць тому +1

      120kg/265 lbs. You will be at the upper edge 😬

    • @glen3509
      @glen3509 Місяць тому

      @p.c.9714 Should I just order a much cheaper
      WTB DX18 front wheel? I already have a rear WTB DX18 wheel, and it seems to be a decent wheel👍👍. They don't have Shimano hubs, though. It's only $100.00🍁

  • @mrcs007
    @mrcs007 Місяць тому +3

    Bankruptcy term uk - Another way of "saying bankruptcy" would be Nukeproof going into administration status.

  • @cheddy_chedderson_cheddouard
    @cheddy_chedderson_cheddouard Місяць тому

    no dt swiss 😢

  • @manabiker
    @manabiker Місяць тому

    No Rovals.???

  • @waltk7624
    @waltk7624 Місяць тому

    Tried to watch but the commercials every 2 minutes is ridiculous 😢

  • @christhrift6165
    @christhrift6165 Місяць тому

    Reach out to SpokeX!

  • @bobbybecker80
    @bobbybecker80 Місяць тому

    I like your content, but when the first wheelset cost $2200, it seemed like the wrong place for me.

    • @BigBrainParty
      @BigBrainParty  Місяць тому +2

      Some of these wheelsets are $550

    • @justinofboulder
      @justinofboulder Місяць тому

      I would recommend watching the entire video a second time, you might have missed a couple of really good value options!

    • @ryanmb21
      @ryanmb21 Місяць тому

      He reflected on so many others. Wtf comment

  • @rudynorvelle2870
    @rudynorvelle2870 Місяць тому

    Thanks!