This Waterproof Deck System is KILLER! (Build Show Fan Remodel Tour)
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2022
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It must be both humbling and prideful in equal measures to witness in real time the impact you are having on the industry you serve. Great looking projects and really top notch techniques to building better!
I am one of those clients who, in preparation for an upcoming whole house remodel, subscribed and watched the BuildShow for years. Watched nearly all Building Science and Cup of Joe episodes too!
Questions of the day: how does a client find a performance remodeler who cares about performance and quality craftsmanship? What types of questions should a client ask a builder?
When I asked contractors about the specific products they were going to use in my metal replacement roof assembly, more than one told me, “no client has ever asked me about that” implying I shouldn’t care about it either. Maybe it’s because I am a woman.
I care what is going into my remodel. I am not trying to become a builder or tell anyone how to do their trade. I am trying to get info and establish clear lines of communication about specific materials being used in my project and what we both hope to achieve from the end result.
How about a hosting a Build Show episode for clients? Or perhaps create something like a Build Show badge - like the Energy Star rating - to help clients locate builders who are like minded about using quality products to deliver quality results?
Please us clients who appreciate craftsmanship and performance to locate the quality performance builders in ##### zip code(s).
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We have this exact WestCoat system on our deck with tile over it as a waterproof roof for a room below. After about 12 years it started leaking everywhere. When we peeled off the tile, the WestCoat polymer layer (shown around 13:00) was completely degraded to black powder. No contractor wanted anything to do with trying to repair it, not even the ones who originally installed it. Only option was to demolish the tile and start over (hugely expensive). I do not recommend putting this coat system UNDER anything expensive.
Make sure you have access and budget to replace it every decade or so because it WILL degrade. I love how the guy kind of dodges the lifetime question as says WestCoat COULD warrantee the materials for 20 years but it's really about the installer then goes and calls it a "lifetime" system. When it was sold to me they kept calling it that too (and the company selling it was called "LifeDeck"). The waterproof layer was literally completely rotted in ten years in a warm dry climate! It works great until it doesn't, but it absolutely won't last forever. It is also pretty much impossible to repair once the underlayer starts to rot, you have to rip/grind off the whole thing and start anew.
Gottta love Matt saying "I thought this was a remodel, this looks like a new build". Nahh, it just started out as a small remodel and escalated from there. It's your house all over again!
Lots of nice details on this house! Great video, Matt.
I have this Westcoat system on my rooftop balcony at my Townhouse in Dallas Texas. This was new construction and it appears the install was done poorly and I have had it replaced and worked on twice. Water came in my living room and I still have defects in it and the metal lath is visible/exposed in some areas. The "certified installer" is no where to be found and I am stuck at this point with it. It looks like a good product, but your mileage may vary based on the quality of the installation.
This is one of the problems I have with the "Certified" distinction. I think manufacturers should do away with it, if they can't backstop bad installations by their preferred installers. Installers and manufacturers should have a much higher level of quality installation that reasonably mirrors the manufacturers warranty on the actual product... otherwise why bother?
lol
My parents have that system on their deck that had to be rebuilt. It still looks great more than a decade on. In fact, this summer, they are expanding the deck around to the other side of the house and using the same deck waterproofing system.
It had to be rebuilt because of rot (in southern NV no less). The guy that built the house was an semi-amateur builder that would build a house (as cheaply as possible and largely DIY), live in the house for a few years while building the next one and then sell it. The deck was not well built to begin with. They tried to remediate some of the issues themselves (poor waterproofing and decking material that was terrible to walk on), but in the end hired a contractor to do it right. That was the most money they had put into a home improvement project to date, but hey haven't regretted it.
WOW! Thanks for the shout out Shaun!
Matt I rebuilt my whole home with rainscreen, polyiso, furring & hardie, and lots of Siga type thanks to your videos around 2016. I will be remodeling my next house with your tips on passive home! You are definitely having an effect. I only wished you were in our area!
Man, your handshake transitions were on point for this one!
Love this channel, absolutely the best combination of content, real-world experience and enthusiasm! THE BUILD SHOW, awesome! thank you Matt
Great episode of a remodel Matt. Mr. 3M seems like a down to earth guy doing a reasonable remodel. Westcoat is a great product.
Here at the Jersey shore for decades fiberglass decks- borrowed from the boat industry- were the standard for waterproof decks. Now they are spraying Polyurea coatings-think truck bedliners. Still many guys are still doing fiberglass. Interesting how different areas of the country tackle the problem differently.
I ripped all my siding off my 50/60’s home and sheathed the outside with zip R6, liquid flash at the sill plate, pressure treated band to sit the zip on, and full tape windows….yes you affect us home owners👍🏼
probably did it all wrong tho
Awesome job, Ryan!
a good client= unlimited budget 😉
One of my favorite shows in the world!!!
Man, Matt, good stuff, great video, beautiful home, that waterproof deck is MONEY MONEY MONEY in the bank, I really want to get into your brain camp out for 2 years and come back to my family. Your knowledge of building is pretty awesome and fun to learn and listen to you nerd out on the most finest details, awesome man, NEW big fan! Thanks for the knowledge
Excellent stuff bro
That is one crazy cool place.
I design elevated decks with poured concrete/drain mat/60mill epdm/plywood. It's proven very cost effective and durable in many projects over the last 20 years in Colorado. The sub-structure (Steel or wood) is always designed with a live load of 60psf and DL of 70. In heavy snow loaded areas the live load will increase. The slab is sloped at 1/8" ( it tapers) and the wood frame at 1/4"
Minnesota boy is using some great Marvin windows. Great looking house.
Inspirational!
Shout out to Matt for what appears to be Lems shoes. Not sure if he is also into the barefoot style shoes or just happened to like the look of these but as someone who pretty exclusively wears their Boulder Boots its nice to see others wearing their brand.
Can the west coat systems be installed in the north with freeze-thaw cycles? Is the warranty a lot less? Does it need recoating more frequently in those locations?
I expect that West Coat works in your area, but if not, there are very similar systems from other manufacturers. I live in SE Pennsylvania and 6 years ago had a rooftop deck installed using a 4-part system like the West Coat, and it has worked flawlessly. The GC hired the subs for the deck, I have no idea of brand or installer or any additional info, sorry, just letting you know that these kinds of waterproof decks work very well in Pennsylvania.
I have two family members in eastern Washington that both installed Westcoat decks approx 20 years ago. They were able to purchase the products and install themselves. Their prep and install was not the best so there were cracks in the coating, but no sign of rot. They both really liked the product.
I’d love to see Matt talk about vacuum windows
Matt so how would you compare westcoat system to the German reduction epoxy you used on that boat house deck near lake Austin ???
Seems like with every handshake, you're trying to recreate that scene from Predator.
We have implemented a ton of your "building science" tips in our 1950s rambler remodel, albeit a slow pace. Whether it's work that we do ourselves, tools we use, or hiring pros, we always ask WWMD?
What about using this waterproof deck system in cold weather areas, like in Iowa? Still OK, and warrantied for up to 20 years? Helpful if the deck is covered?
Interesting deck system. I'd like to see how it easy it is to clean after a couple years.
Hi Cory, Depending on the texture it is is fairly simple to keep looking great with water and a broom.
What was the handshake count on this one?
What kind of plywood are you using outside for this system? Marine grad?
Hope one day u could show westcoat applying the product.
Robert, We have great training videos on our page, here's the ALX video ua-cam.com/video/MioEgZstWM0/v-deo.html
Any samples or contacts or more detailed video of the waterproof deck please. Why not osb if so what is preferred for the base ! Plywood is ok!
@MattRisinger Since you love waterproofing Decks check out Miracote. Very similar product but I'd say goes above and beyond with one additional full waterproofing coat after the slurry coats. I got a decorative plank wood look.
How do you find trades that know how to use all these different systems? I feel like my trades couldn't do this stuff
Hi Chris, We have a network of qualified applicators, give us a call to find one in your area! 800-250-4519
you can tell contractors that strive for the details.... and i saw many in this video.
Great
Its crazy how in Texas to do the job it only cost for material and labor $10,000 compared to California where that's only enough for the material
I always cheer when someone says "water heater" and not "hot water water" 😂
Bent standing seam roofing?
I’m building in Lake Tahoe 2 homes. Want to come and visit or base a series with me?
Matt, WEST is this the same company that originated in the boat building industry with the West Epoxy line of resins and hardeners, aka the Gudgeon Brothers? Is that correct?
NO, WEST SYSTEM, brothers Meade and Jan Gougeon, (Wood, Epoxy, Saturation, Technique) is made in Bay City, Michigan. Totally different company... the guy may not have heard of them. WEST SYSTEM is great epoxy. I use it all the time. Westcoat is in San Diego, CA.
Hi Mike, we manufacture concrete coating and waterproof decking systems here in California! www.westcoat.com
@@camheady235 Thanks for the heads up. I suspected it was different but couldn't ascertain from the video. The West System is world renown and I wasn't sure if since Jan and Meade have both passed away, the corporation had expanded the product line or not. Westcoat, San Diego. Got it! Thanks for the clarification...
@@camheady235 Ya, I wasn’t familiar with the other West had a little miscommunication/understanding there 😊
Where did he get Hardie Trim? Our vendors said it was discontinued :(
I work for a builder in SWFLA. Does anyone do Westcoat products or application here?
Texas seems like the only place in America that is building decent looking modern homes. We have few and far between modern homes in Los Angeles, but they've always have been ungodly expensive. Over the years, $850,000 became $3.5 million, which then became $11 million. I am now seeing $20 million.
Fiberglass deck seems like a more effective and less expensive option.
We had this same Westcoat system done on our new house, about 850 square feet of deck. Less than 3.5 years later we have surface cracks. Westcoat says it is from normal sun and weather exposure and we are due for a new topcoat. They say a topcoat should be applied every 3-5 years and should cost around 15-25% of the original install cost. What they don't tell you about the warranty is you need an annual inspection by a "certified inspector or installer" and keep records of the inspections, then they would cover materials ONLY.
This is NOT a very economical solution when it comes to homeowner costs. I wish we had found something different, but are stuck now paying almost $5,000 to topcoat it.
Wow, thanks for the input. So it looks like I'll stick with the traditional wood frame, composite deck for me.
Good to know. I'm looking for a system to waterproof what will be a second story balcony over living space on the first floor. Our second story balcony will be completely coverd, by open on the three walls. So it won't see the abuse of an open deck. That said, a $5000 recoat...No thanks.
At9.20 min I see a diagonal wood strap. What is that’s for
I'm still really surprised all these builders are continuing to use Romex. I'm from the suburbs of Chicago and we have always used conduit. It makes sense for running wires in the future, avoiding rodents, nails, etc. which could cause fires. I know it more money but seems like more parts of the country would be promoting conduit. I'd love to hear your thoughts Matt.
As an electrician this would at a lot of cost. If you have AFCI/GFCI breakers you shouldn't have to worry about a fire.
So, in the discussion of trusses vs solid lumber, at about 9:00 min mark, it shows the “electrician” drilling an insane number of holes…. Hopefully that 2x10 doesn’t have to support anything important….. I didn’t see any additional supports or sistering going on.
11:15 for the waterproof deck part
Ouch there electrician though!
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9" closed cell roof insulation =$$$$
Wonder if this system could be used to build a shower?
I'm a pretty upbeat guy but compared to Matt I'm Eeyore from Whinney the Poo
Why wife is Debbi the Downer every day.
So crazy this country avoids using fiberglass for roofing and decks. Used all over the world. 50 year plus lifespan and cheep to install.
I see the floor joist is almost on an wall BUT ALWAYS drill holes in the center of the joist as you compromise a lot of strength like the electrician did here at the 10 minute mark!!! 🙄
The lake's level indicates that you probably filmed this sometime last year ,,, yes?
Two weeks ago 😯
@@shaun512
then it really is Lake Austin / not Travis
Let's see how many times we can say "detail" in an episode.
Waterproof Deck System, the subject starts @11:30 😑
The roofers were getting awfully close to the edge... Couldn't tell if they were tied off ... They need to be tied off
The engineer seems like a nice guy but not ready for prime time lol
$8-10,000 is nothing for a nice waterproof deck with less headaches in the future.
Looks like gypcrete
Wish people would stop calling it sho sugi ban. That's just ignorance of Japanese. Its yaki sugi
Tufflex has a far better decking system at a much better price point.
All those stapes in that wire mesh look ridiculous, there has got to be a better method than that.
Black Siding the Owners must be Amish 🤣😆🙉😂
0:00-11:30 Matt kissing builders behinds to get free labor and materials. 11:30> Waterproof decking video begins. It's just Cool-Kote for plywood. Drop a hamburger on the finish and it's stained forever!
This house is so tight and dead- I like living breathing houses - like my sea side shack on Chappaquiddick where the wind howls through my attic
Lol “remodel” what exactly is left of the original structure? Some rotting wood and nails in the dirt.
11:30 of other stuff that has nothing what-so-ever to do with a waterproof deck system... It is all entertaining and interesting content; however your title lured me to this video, and you just stole 11:30 of my life. If you are hoping people will watch your videos and then subscribe after being entertained... Please consider A) have accurate titles, B) Get to the point faster. a great title for this video might be "Tour this renovation, that includes a waterproof deck"
NASTY armpit sweat 🤮
You can’t miss it.
Your recent videos have been disappointing