SCOTUS same-sex wedding cake decision: How both sides say they got here today
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2018
- ABC News' "Nightline" spoke to cake artist Jack Phillips and married couple Charles Craig and Dave Mullins last week, before the Supreme Court's ruling Monday in Phillips' favor.
Leave this man alone. You don’t like the customer service go to a different store
veerchasm1 here’s the problem he’s a public service he doesn’t have a right to refuse someone service for an unjustifiable reason.
Edit: I take back what I said more than a year later I was wrong the baker had every right to deny service.
This is my thinking: He has a right to be a bigot, yes. And if he wants the bad PR, that's his decision.
That being said, I think weddings aren't just religious ceremonies. They're legal too. Furthermore, if two Jewish people came to his shop would he still bake a cake for them?
The Legend Himself no hes a private company. It would be a public service if he was part of a government organisation
Jeff DeWitt if they align with his beliefs i think he would. In this case if they were a Jewish man and woman
+The Legend Himself
yes he can, you can't force someone else to provide you a service
So they want him to respect their sexuality but they can’t respect his faith
Ahaha damn I started a huge argument😂😂😂
Maclane Tane I like this
Ryan Richards i'm an atheist but your comment is very rude even to me. If transgenders have the right to BELIEVE they are what they claim to be, then this man also has the right to believe what he wants to. Since when the right to believe in something becomes so "cruel"?
@Ryan Richards I have never been taught or had enough close feeling to any religion to become its believer. But I don't hate religion.
I just base on my common sense here, the baker didn't refuse to bake any other types of cake for the couple, just not a wedding cake. He also sincerely explained his reason. I mean he didn't be disrepectful or curse them. So the couple could have just gone to another bakery, they didn't have to go this far.
If they felt offended, maybe just think differently? Just think that the reason he refused to serve comes from him, not from them and move to another bakery. He's the one who lost profit anyway.
I have seen some owners refuse to serve customers with reason "I'm not in good mood" LOL
I’m not exactly sure who all y’all are but this fighting needs to stop. @RyanRichards just because you hate Christianity because it goes against what you think is right does not mean you need attack us. You can hate God’s rules all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that those rules are still there. Everything we do is a sin unless it is worshiping God because it is all vain. God gets to save who he wants whenever he wants so technically this gay couple could be saved in the end because are sins are all equal. Nevertheless tho this is our religion and if the gay couple can have the same rights to what they think is right then so do we. So could you plz stop telling us that we need to die and so does our religion.
I didn’t mean to start a fight y’all so plz don’t attack me, I just don’t want y’all to keep fighting.
@Snached yea he seems like a perv. I’m rlly srry that he said those disgusting things to you!
If you can hold your wedding in Massachusetts because Colorado does not recognize same-sex marriage, you can find another baker to bake your cake.
“i BrOkE dOwN aNd StArTeD cRyInG [because I got denied a cake]” that pretty much sums up the mentality of today’s society
Yeah that guy lack testosterone
I must agree with you.
sad to be gay cuz people like that
@@andromedaputraharyanto5420 well hes gay... sooo obviously
Booo hooooooooooo! Stop whining about it and move on you snowflake! You libtards have ruined America! Back in my day we owned slaves, but everyone just had to ruin it with their "civil war"
"A small modest post"
*writes an entire post with store information and inciting people to take action against said store*
lol yes that's what I thought
From a gay man, this gay couple should've respected this religous mans rights. Just like he respected their ways of being. I sometimes don't understand how we in the community sometimes don't think to respect others people's beliefs when that is all we ask. This makes the couple look like hypocrites, honestly.
dandagod official that’s not how it works, religious freedom only goes as long as it isn’t violating the law. What they private business is doing here is not violating the law, however, your terroristic idea of a religion would be. It scares me that Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor both voted in favor of the couple, this is a black and white constitutionality case.
dandagod official your really a stupid person damn maybe you should just move to a different country
dandagod official someone please make this guy stfu
Joey Jeffries I think he is
dandagod official what like you?!!!
they tarnished his bakery, that shows more about their character than anything. honestly disgusting and sad, i hope his bakery can recover
Robert Lynch It’s an independent bakery owned by him. While he denied the service of making a wedding cake (a longer, more time consuming process) for them, he did not say he wouldn’t serve them other things. “maybe he shouldn’t have signed up to be a baker” that is his right and his passion and he is holding to his beliefs. I believe he handled the situation as well as he could. smh
The bakery's tarnished reputation is the direct result of the baker's actions. When he made the decision to deny service on the basis of sexuality, he should've recognized that there would be social consequences, as society generally accepts same-sex marriage nowadays. It may be within his right to deny service to anyone, but the couple also have the right to describe the discrimination to the public.
@@Christopher-D Thai was in 2012 and it still wasn’t very accepted then. It wasn’t even legal everywhere yet. Those two guys just shouldn’t have been little pussys about it and just went somewhere else
@@spidermonkeynuts3851 You Clearly don't understand how business works I've taken business courses and his downfall was inevitable. Business is brutal, competition is everywhere and sites to rate businesses existed then. During that time gay marriage was on a rise and any smart business owner would have taken the opportunity to serve theses men in order to gain more recognition and more customers regardless of belief. His decision was gonna cripple his business whether he liked it or not because people talk, the word would have spread and the business would have been viewed negatively in society. A smart business owner would set their beliefs and political views aside in order to appeal to the masses and to keep their business open as well as make profit, the more people they please the better regardless of how they feel about it.
@@rafaelmartinez-gb3wr
A smart business owner would have recognized that serving the gay couple would probably be more benefitial in the long term.
But it doesn't mean he would have done so if he also had principles whom he'd put above financial interests.
Small businesses aren't exactly the same as Tesco or Wallmart, they aren't fully driven by profit, in the case of a bakery especially, bakers often work out of passion rather than a wish for financial gain.
So...he respectfully denied them a cake but offered them cookies, brownies, anything else. Didn’t say anything derogatory about them being a gay couple, just said he wouldn’t create the cake for the wedding...I’m really not seeing where this had to become a federal case...a simple “Oh, that’s disappointing. Thank you for your time.” Would’ve sufficed. Baker was respectful which is exactly how a good Christian man would be...
They needed a Custom Wedding Cake for their wedding reception not cookies or brownies.
@@sr2291 They could have found another shop willing to make a wedding cake. Expression is not something that should be compelled. It violates the First Amendment.
@Quinntus79 Define "expression". That's the problem. Churches were invented for religious people to worship in. They don't need to worship at work. They need to do their jobs like everyone else has to.
He offered to sell them anything else, he didn't refuse service period.
Sadly, one has to wonder if the outcome would have been better if he had said flatly, "please get out of my store" without giving any reason.
Way to miss the point...
They didn’t go in for anything else, they went in for a wedding cake. He denied them service of buying a wedding cake because they were a same sex couple, that’s discrimination. But honestly if I were them, I just would have gone to another cake maker, wouldn’t want to give homophobe my money anyway.
jfsfrnd Nope, privately owned business. And I went there and he wouldn’t even make Halloween cakes because he disagreed. This proves that he was going off of his religious and moral beliefs. Not because he wanted to discriminate them.
Noel López yes he did he wasn’t out of cakes or didn’t have the ability to make more he literally said no
*On a serious note though, this guy is a talented baker. 🎂*
Harambe Jr. He truly is
sethc18769 and they ruined this guys life he lost 40 perceng of his profit as hs said and he has gotten death threats.
He is truly amazing at its perfection, it make me sad how lgbt people always ruin other people's dreams
Cakes can't be gay but they can have a gay theme cake. Also, the baker while talented should be forced to provide the same level of service and same type of service as he would to a straight couple to a homosexual couple. Now, if he does not want to make a gay themed wedding cake he should not have to.
jfsfrnd no he should not be forced to design a cake in a certain manor or incorporate a certain theme. I stated so earlier. Just because a wedding is celebrating the union of two homosexuals does not mean the wedding cake is going to have a homosexual theme to it.
“He may have won the battle, but he didn’t win the war”, umm I think he won both.
See, that's what's disgusting. They feel this gives them the right to essentially declare war on a fellow American. It's like that line in Animal Farm: All are equal, but some are more equal than others.
@Internet Batman I do believe to this day his business is thriving, you saw how many people came to support him after the fact. “Disgusting bigot” seems to fit you best, because you think you’re so entitled that you “HAVE” to be served so much that you will go to court to force him to serve you, that’s fascism and bigotry.
@Internet Batman
I have a very broad vocabulary kid. And you quite literally fit both definitions of fascism and bigotry... You’re refusal to acknowledge that is ignorant. His business is thriving because private donors have helped him with legal fees that the couple brought onto him. “Run a business is to constantly chase business away”, he wasn’t chasing them away he wanted them that’s why he offered them many alternatives, and he never did this once before so it’s clearly the couples problem, not his problem. In America we have the freedom of religion and if you’re saying that he should change his religion just because you don’t like its values is indeed fascism. “You looked like an unhinged snowflake”, says the one who is defending people who are crying about a damn cake. I mean really it’s a cake yet you’re going to bring this to COURT??!! That’s completely irrational and ridiculous. The world doesn’t evolve around you, so just because something doesn’t work out, that doesn’t mean you can throw a fit.
EDIT: You say baking is the “gayest” form of cooking, that’s very derogatory, so it seems as if you’re fighting against a brick wall.
@Internet Batman Its not discrimination if you’re given alternatives, not to mention it’s his business, it’s his workplace, if you don’t like it leave, go somewhere else, find another baker, make your own cake. And if it’s okay to refuse someone service because they aren’t wearing a mask, why is it bad to give someone alternatives if they ask for something you’re uncomfortable with. It makes no sense but that’s the direction we’re heading into. If Amazon refused me service I would look for a small business who offers the same services... not bitch and cry about something as stupid as a cake. I’ve never watched Food Network, so you’d have to provide me with something where they openly express baking to be the “gayest form of cooking”.
Once again the world doesn’t revolve around YOU, so if you feel hurt don’t make it another persons problem.
@Internet Batman Oh you’re right “ Oh no I can’t get a cake but I can get brownies” Boom discrimination.
That’s makes no literal sense whatsoever.
3:42 “we wrote just a small modest post that said: hey, we were discriminated against this cake shop”. No, that is no true, they did not just wrote a small note on discrimination, they clearly urged hatred demonstrations against the baker, as much so that they provided the picture and information and asked people to send (not exactly friendly) e-mails to the baker. That was inciting people against the baker, no matter which way we want to see their action. They were not the victims, they were vengeful and hateful people who got their way by having the baker receiving death threats. I am glad the baker got back his business and we all got confirmed our rights to create what we want and what we believe in. NOBODY should be forced to create something that they disagree on, whatever the reason that be.
There are no religious beliefs here
@@teamtundra2619 in the gay ppl, of course not
Bullies!!!!
lol oh wow... spare me honey.
His bakery ... his decision
Apparently the baker has no decision - the state commission decided for him which ended closing his wedding cake line. On the other hand the SC decided to rule for the this baker. As for other business owner, be careful not to deny service to anyone.
+M Tabin yeah ..you own a store.. two scumbags come in.. you know they will cause trouble most likely.. but you cant deny them right
"My bakery... my choice", alot better than "my body... my choice".
The saying "my body my choice" forgets to take the body and choice of the fetus into consideration though.
Same logic as refusing to bake for someone because they're black
Gay or not, those guys just seem like genuinely awful people. It's like they're just dripping with entitlement. I'm not even religious, but I'm glad the baker won; he appears to be a really sweet man. Honestly wishing the best for him from here on out.
Punkyagogo yeah, they just seem like shit starters. They show the cake guy doing his thing...it's creating a painting on a cake. They show them doing their thing...their heads are in their computers and they are typing away furiously...like wtf? Are they just professional facebookers or something?
SquareRootOf2 Seeking justice in court is harassment? I don't personally think they have a valid case but you just seem like someone who likes to jail people just for being different. That's pretty lame..
It was them who started this campaign of harassment against this honest and helpless baker, tweeting about it, suing and arising hate against him.
These people are POS that only care about themselves and their narcissism and their sexual desires imposed on other people.
Of course I care when these disgusting activists try to impose their twisted worldview on others. I care a lot. Not about what they stick up their asses in private but about their hateful, fascist way to impose themselves on others, abusing the natural tolerance of honest people.
There are plenty of "normal" gays that go about their business without bothering others. I don't mind about honest gays but gay activists should be dealt with like they do in Muslims countries, who are very tolerant and the religion of peace and Holy Qu'ran has humane treatment for them.
Or are you one of those Slavic Islamophobes?
kyjo72682 Why should I look in the mirror? I'm not gay. You look in the mirror, Nazi islamophobe!
Punkyagogo That "sweet man" believes gay people should be denied the same rights as straight people (i.e marriage).
I'm on the bakers side on this one.
Me too
@@ryt25 Well, if it's your own business, go ahead and forbid Christians if you want to run it that way, you're right it's your choice since you own the place. I'm a Christian and I would simply go to another shop.
Same
In the same way you cannot force a racist person to be dishonest about their racist attitudes ... yes I do support the baker ...
Yes I understand but...... Everyone will still hate you...even me 😚🙃🙂🤗☺️😂
It's the dumbest argument ever. Businesses refuse business to people all the time for other reasons
Other reasons such as what?
If you replaced Christian with Muslim this story would of never aired.
Captain Gaming why not
Maroon Horizon because this country’s liberals are Muslim sympathisers
Captain Gaming Corey would have put rocks in the cake
Youre a moron...but because your grammar sucks
Captain Gaming thank you 🙏🏻
What happened to "we are legally allowed to refuse service to anyone"
That went out the window back during the Civil rights era when it turns out you actually cannot refuse service to anyone on the basis of race, ethnicity or sex.
tanner peatson nemo me impune lacessit
You can't legally refuse someone for their race, religion or sex and in Colorado you can't do it to people who are gay
Tanner Peatson what are you mad about tanner
Tanner Peatson you got some problems dude, beyond your syntax and construction of a sentence.
If I ever go to Colorado, I’ll make sure to support this local business.
Facts
Me too. If only I'd known about this place when I last went up there
Same
He lost a court case recently. You should go read why.
Same
these two guys went looking for a fight and lost.
Thanks to them, Trump is banned on Twitter and Facebook though 🤣
@@anthonyg9197not anymore 😂
Equal rights doesn't take the form of forcing a baker to make you a cake.
T G was it equality when businesses refused to serve African Americans? Was that fair? If we give the right for a business to deny service towards anyone, we give the right for all businesses to deny service to any group they choose.
Henry Sendra Yes...When said African Americans cause a disruption, they can be asked to leave. I’ve done it several times. It’s not my fault if your presence causes a disturbance. If you bring down my business, I’m kicking your ass out.
If you stole my hat, I can kick you out of my store.
If you decide to mock my religion by pretending to have a ceremony I find sacred, Well we all know where this headed.
kimmie Wise I was mentioning innocent people who just wanted to be served. It was completely unfair to not allow them service based on their skin tone. Also, gay people aren’t pretending to have marriage, they are legally getting married, and there’s nothing you can do to stop them from doing so other than blind violence.
Jane Doe I agree it’s harmful when anyone is mistreated when trying to be a patron of a restaurant or store, and I can sort of see where the baker is coming from with the wedding cake, it still doesn’t make much sense to me that we can allow an public shop to pick and choose which people are allowed to purchase which items. I also appreciate your civility in your replies to my comment. Thank you.
Henry Sendra I believe a business has a right to refuse to anyone for any reason... just say nothing at all and don’t serve who you don’t want keep your mouth shut ask them to leave and move on avoid any problwms
3:07 This should not be a “war”. People should be able to act free from intervention, so long as they are not harming anyone else. Not to mention, the couple could have gone somewhere else for a cake, instead of starting a witch-hunt and putting the baker’s safety in danger. The death threats are extremely unfortunate considering the baker seemed respectful, and his refusal was more about sincerely held individual faith and beliefs, rather than discrimination against the couple.
8:09 Similarly, I think the ruling of the case can be seen as a protection of individual freedom rather than an opposition to equality.
Breva Viva changing the (insert identity here) baker and (insert identity here) customer does not change this argument at all.
The problem that many people seem to have in understanding this argument is in distinguishing what they believe is morally just and what the government can actually have prescedence over.
This is less of a freedom of religion argument and more of a freedom of association one. This is understood once you see that the government should NEVER be allowed to force a private business "at gun point" (which is what would have occured if the supreme court had ruled in favor of the homosexual couple) to sell there products or services to anyone regardless of race, identity, sexuality, etc. This is due to the fact that a private sell must have both the consent of the one offering the product as well as the one purchasing.
Personally, I agree that it is morally wrong to discriminate which is why I would never purchase products from someone who does. Luckily, I have this right due to the most durable and just document presented in any society, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
I do like your passion for the truth though! Sadly, there seems to be a lack there of lately :)
Breva Viva oooo I like that thought. And pertaining to this argument, its a good way to get people to (hopefully) break from a narrow point of view to see a bigger picture here.
Breva Viva
The Baker isn't discriminating general service based on personal attributes - it is different - it is a specially made product being requested (& in this case DEMANDED).
For Gay Bakers, of course the same rule should apply.
It is EXACTLY the same & as wrong as FORCING a Vegan Artist to make a Sculpture especially to celebrate the Meat Industry? I am becoming Vegan & wouldn't want that. I don't think you would want to be forced to support something your against either (unless you freely signed a Contract as a paid employee, not a customer).
It's exactly the same as the gay wedding couple forcing their values on others: buy a generic cake that he already made and use that to celebrate your party. The baker had took no issue with that.
IMO, it is unethical to FORCE others to support my philosophy or ideology by FORCING them to put their artistic work into it.
That's why I'm on the Left but don't support the Left: they often want double standards & to be given special treatment, and are willing to treat others baldy to do it. And they want to Force themselves onto others all the time. That is different from standing up for oneself, where others are forcing themselves upon me.
The Mushy Brain Mushy brain indeed
Breva Viva No they shouldn’t be allowed to deny service based upon unproven beliefs.
"creating a generic wedding cake" would be an issue because that would be like "separate but equal" service. The baker's choice to politely refuse was clearly the best option for everyone involved.
And he didn't say he wouldn't serve lgbtq people. He just says he wouldn't bake a cake celebrating their union. You wouldn't go into a muslim restraunt and order pork.
I love this man, stand up for his faith
I’ve met him before he seems to stand up for what he believes even when it’s looked down in. Nice dude too.
victory victory i do in my boutiqe! i don’t allow christians my products
@@ryt25 You can't deny someone product just because they are Christian. Maybe if they asked you to make a product for their church or Christian event, sure you could deny that. But if they just want product, you can't deny it because of their religion
@@sudeepjoseph69 its a private business
@@oldmanjenkins9230 That doesn’t matter. You can’t discriminate based on race, religion, ethnicity, or sex
The most overused word “bigot “ just bc someone doesn’t agree with you ...
The fuck is a bigot anyway? Like what's it even mean.
@@greysonG10 "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions." Nowadays people put the "bigot" label on others who don't agree with them on controversial topics. An example would be not agreeing with / not supporting LGBTQASDFASDFASDF+
cameron crayton I think not agreeing with someone's existence or rights is plenty bigoted so the baker is a bigot. He can pretend and say " ohhh I'm so niceeee to gay people " but do you really think he voted for gay rights?
@@theneverone Not supporting something you don't believe in/agree with is not the same as being intolerant. I think the baker is more worried about being allowed to run his business in alignment with his religious beliefs rather than fighting against the gay couple and their rights.
Jackson G But his religious beliefs are harmful
These guys act like they walked out of a bakery owned by the KKK.
Check
@@arcturus4762 I would rather have harmless racists
Harmless racists are nothing compared to violent "anti-racists" who will put you in jail for staring at them for half a second
😂😂😂😂 fr
Max77 you be discriminated and let’s see how you feel
Dude I'm LGBT and honestly I side with the baker because I don't wanna force someone to do something they don't wanna do and not for hateful reasons he's a nice person he just dosen't want to do it for deep religious beliefs and I wouldn't want someone to go against that for my benefit.
@Mason Koski Yes, thank you for being civilized. We as human beings have to know we can respect each other even though we disagree on things.
Either you're just saying your queer to get attention or you actually are... either way, this is segregation... and the same laws that protect the baker also....
1) Allow doctors to refuse medical care to LGBTQ+ people
2) Allow religious institutions to fire queer people just because of their orientation/identity
3) Protect religious based adoption agencies when they deny services to same sex couples while still demanding that those same people pay their salaries (as many are tax payer funded)
... I could go on and on and on. If you really are who you say you are, why would you want to protect religious privilege before protecting so many people's livelihoods?
@@KeilyShhh No I'am Non-Binary and Pansexual, but it's actually not, and to break down what you said. You shouldn't be a doctor if you're not going to treat everyone, if religious institutions want to be hateful then the public will decide weather or not to take part with them, and religious based adoption agencies should frankly not exist. Anything that is taxpayer funded should 100% treat people equally regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. But here's the thing, if that baker was forced to make a cake that goes against his religious beliefs for an LGBTQ+ Couple, that would also samely apply to an LGBTQ+ Baker being forced to make a homophobic cake despite being Episcopalian or Unitarian Universalist or Presbyterian or some other LGBTQ+ accepting church and having those beliefs. The script can be flipped in a lot of unfortunate ways, and I know if I owned my own business I would not want to be forced to serve someone hateful, and I don't think this man should be told who we can or can't serve. Honestly I think business should be required to post that in the window so we know what kind of places we're spending our money at and weather or not they care about us or not. But no, must of what you mentioned, that can have an extremely valid argument for why that shouldn't be in place and doesn't "go against someones religious protections" cause it does harm the public overall, but this cake thing, it doesn't, and I think of how if he court hadn't sided with the baker, how this could be weaponized, and that's honestly more terrifying.
@@sunnyboi2461 Okay, I'm sorry for accusing you of lying about your orientation and identity. And I do hear what you're saying and yes, there is nuance in this debate.
But first of all, saying that it's wrong for doctors to deny care because to those they are prejudice against doesn't change the fact that it happens and that it's perfectly legal. It doesn't change the fact that people who need medical care are being forced to look elsewhere (sometimes even in emergency situations).
And yes, faith-based child care services should not exist... That doesn't change the fact that they do exist and that reform needs to happen so that queer people don't have to pay for services that they are being denied.
My big question/point is this:
1) I hear your point that concerns freedom of speech. One thing I would say though is that if someone denies services to one individual that they ALSO deny to EVERYONE ELSE, that is very different than denying services to someone that you DO provide to other people. For example, someone who bakes wedding cakes for straight couples but denies the exact same service to LGBQ+ folks. In the latter example, it's the queer individuals that are being denied services rather than the baker simply using their own discretion.
2) When the same laws that protect artists from denying services to us queer folks ALSO protects anyone who denies essential services/employment to us... can you tell me how you would neatly make it so that under absolutely NO circumstances are we denied services that will hurt our livelihoods?
3) And when businesses can post notes in their windows that tell queer people "You are not welcome here" or "Go somewhere where you are welcome"... that's segregation. It was segregation when it applied to people of color and is no different than when it's directed towards us.
I'd quote MLK Jr. when he said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere".
I know it's just a freaking cake but there's more to it than just that.
@@KeilyShhh there's obviously more to this then it just being a cake. And no kidding, it doesn't the change facts all those things currently exist, that's why I'm glad I live in California where those things thankfully don't exist and with my work in politics, work to elect people to help try and fix those problems in this country. And I'll be honest, personally, I sort of agree that any private business should have the ability to serve or not serve whomever they want too, I mean we protect hate speech in this country, and if people want to be racist or sexist or homophobic then air those feelings out to everyone so we know where too or not too spend our money. And to your question of how to make sure that those laws that might protect those things don't interfere with people being denied essential services or civil rights or anything of that nature. If your part of a company, that is getting any sort of funds from the government, then you should be required to have to follow anti-discrimination laws, and that includes any places with SBA Loans or Govt Subsidies or a Federal Contract. Like I'd feel that would be the only way to get any sort of version of The Equality Act passed and have some protections at least when it comes to public services and those kinds of things you talked about.
"5 years later that interaction still stings: I was mortified, I mean neither one of us had ever been treated this way before at a bisnuss" I can't behleve the let some softy who got their feelings hurt over a cake go all the way to supreme Court. Parrents, please raise your kids better.
Parents are being undermined on all sides- Society, public school, sports, peer pressure etc. Parents can do their best to provide, be involved & still lose the battle as the kids hear the "sirens" drawing them down a dark road. At the end of the day, kids choose to be & do, regardless of upbringing. I know this bc I was a foster kid for almost 8 yrs of childhood. I decided for myself what type of person I wanted to be- with the help of Almighy God.
How immature adults behave when they have been told no. A type of tantrum if you ask me. As a woman, I have seen females getting into witchcraft because they want their way. I pray to God for maturity in our earth.
When u hear him talk and apologize to them when he can't do that, he sounds very nice. He doesn't refuse to be with them or talk to them because they are gay, it's purely because of the ceremonial value of a wedding.
But he is not even factoring in it is THEIR wedding.
Not his.
theQuestion626 understand that by doing the cake for them he is being part of it, he helped with the wedding by doing that.
Example is like if a person ask me money for beer and I give him money then i’m responsible on why that person bought beers.
theQuestion626 exactly, which is why he doesn’t have to be involved if he chooses not to.
That baker is gonna shit himself when he hears what Jesus had to say about capitalism.
CAT DURGS “a wedding should be between a man and a woman” quote the bakery owner dude
NO SHIT THEY WOULD CURSE BECAUSE HE JUST FUCKING GAVE THE A LESSON ABOUT HOW MARRIAGE SHOULD BE LIKE WHEN THEY DONT FIT INTO THE “REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE” so how would they not be offended they just wanted a cake
It's like suing Mormon restaurant owners for refusing to serve you beer.
A Mormon restaurant probably wouldn't even sell beer
@@MASTEROFEVIL r/woosh
Can they even drink beer
@@mikey_stone06 no alcohol consumption is allowed in their religion
That’s tough
U guys are just extremely crazy.....its his faith, I would also do the same
I am deeply concerned for the baker's safety. Leave the man alone. Forcing him to make a gay cake is also a discrimination against his faith.
Someone refused to sell me something once because I worked at a hospital they hated. I went to another store. The end.
Next time wear the mask to hide your identity and they will serve u
Hahah exactly!
That is not illegal because you weren't being discriminated against.
@@DerekWilliamsMusic bro. nobody was discriminated against.
@@kerstin7133 Not in the hospital analogy given by the OP, but in the bakery case, the gay couple WERE discriminated against.
Would you walk into a Jewish cake shop & expect them to make you a Jesus cake?
Would walk into a Muslim cake shop & expect them to draw naked women on your cake?
I wouldn't walk into an LGBT cake shop & expect them to make me something that goes against there beliefs.
That's equality...
Wondering if a gay bakery would make a Christian cake...
@@girlnotoftheworld2008 I'm willing to bet many wouldn't have, but now that this happened some might change their mind to seem less bias
*their
Equality is treating everyone equally, so a Jewish cake shop WOULD make a Jesus cake. A Muslim cake shop WOULD for whatever reason draw a woman on your cake. Those two religions both believe in being human. Being humans means you treat people kindly, fairly, and with respect (for the record so does Christianity).
SLSLSKSKKSKSDBANDJJS JESUS WAS JEWISH IM SCREAMING BAHAHAHAH
As a Christian I have the atmost respect to the baker. He did not compromise his core fundamental beliefs for popularity and to fit into social norms.
If a baker refuses to sell his cake for religious reasons to black couple because he thinks that black people shouldn't have any rights, would you be OK with that?
@@goranmilic442What religion believes that
@@uai6107 Christians in 19th century Southern USA believed that. Maybe those beliefs weren't really aligned with what Bible actually said, but they generally believed that, based on the myth of Noah and his sons. Since their religious beliefs were that black people shouldn't have any rights, should they be allowed to refuse to sell a cake to black couple? Yes or no?
@@goranmilic442 no
@@goranmilic442 Christianity does not state the hatred of black people. So youre wrong
I'm with the business owner. He has the right to refuse service and he has a right to say his faith.
The guys should have just toughened up and go to another bakery
I’m bisexual and I support the Baker. Go to a different bakery. It would be one thing if he refused service entirely, but he was fine with birthday cakes or anything else - just not a wedding cake. Leave him alone.
I am also bi and i agree with you. It wasn't fair to the baker. The two guy shouldn't have taken it that far. There was honestly no need for all this drama. Just go to another baker, there are plenty of them out there who would happily oblige.
The baker doesn't deserve all this hate. I feel bad for his small business that was destroyed because of this situation.
Bisexual !😲 poor soul
Pasta Zi Bearlid He actually ended up fine after the trial thankfully because he was allowed to start selling wedding cakes again and choose who to make them for. :) But I agree. They made such a big deal out of it. Just go to a different baker! They really just needed everyone to accommodate their choice.
Dan Shivers That’s very hypocritical to say because the lgbt will only defend people who are in the lgbt not everybody, do you realize that people all over the world gets discriminated every day and none of the lgbt makes any noise to defend them, where was the lgbt when 10 Christians were decapitated by isis simply for no denying God? where were the lgbt when many african american Christians woman , men even childrens were burned alive just for being Christian? Where were the lgbt when the Christian church were killed with a rifle? Where is the lgbt when schools discriminate childrens for being black, but when their was killings in a gay club in orlando that’s when the lgbt start showing support and protest.
Dan Shivers lgbt community being around for many years what haven’t they done anything yet? I mean if you would start thinking in defending and stand up for everybody wouldn’t you start doing it after you thought about ?
Even if you don’t want to accept it just face it that they did this just because he is a Christian that doesn’t support the lgbt because even you agree with me that people get discriminated everyday and they don’t do nothing about it.
The baker had every right doing that.
We are Not Government workers that do and bake what they force to , we have religious freedom and free speech. God bless this man for staying strong in his faith.
I'm so happy for the baker!! Go Christian soldier! God bless you.
*bigot soldier
@@udhav423 heretic
Allah Akbar
@@ILoveLuhaidan repent
@@hellohowareyou7495 I am muslim, Jesus is the prophet of god
If GAYS aren't going to respect someone's religion then why should we respect them.
Edit: I have homosexual friends, but they are very respectful and they would never go into a bakery, knowing the man was religion and force him to bake a cake.
I wouldn't respect them regardless.
Oh that's ok I don't judge unlike gays
It'sMeHere Yo The use of religion to kill LGBT+ people is why we generally don't blindly respect religious beliefs. It is dangerous to let people going about hating us because one day I could be beaten on the street because I choose to wear my rainbow shirt on the wrong day. Your " beliefs " hurt people my refusal to respect religion blindly hurts no one.
Well if you're walking on a public street that is a different story if you're wearing that on my property then that's a different story
It'sMeHere Yo So you are openly stating you would abuse someone for wearing a pride shirt provided they are on your property?
Oh and don't try " it's my property and legally I can "
If you beat up a 13 year old trying to get their basketball that accidentally rolled on your lawn
If you abused a client you invited to your home
If you shot your neighbor's dog for going on your lawn
You know people would get furious with you. You are a bad person honestly
I wish I could stand up for that Baker. This is ridiculous.
Danielle Adair lmaoooo 😂 You’re the definition of ignorant.
It’s sad how not a lot of people stood up for him
Hes currently going through his third lawsuit. This time its a transgender cake. The state and some members of the lgbt are clearly harassing the man
Jordan Lynch really?? Yeah wow they clearly have it out for him
@@enigma2297 this is harrassment.
As a gay man myself I think it’s ridiculous to force someone’s hand to bake you a wedding cake if they don’t respect your choice of who you chose to marry. Don’t you want people in your wedding ceremony because they are happy for you? Both of you ? I would turn around and tell the baker: Fine, It’s you’re business’ loss then.
Do u also agree with jim crow
@subhojitdas264 jim crow was government-enforced discrimination, not government-permitted descrimination. They are worlds apart
Would you go in a hindu restaurant and demand beef ? Or a Muslim on and demand pork?
Why should the Christian baker forced against his religion
He was ready to serve them, was polite to them...... Just didn't agree to make a wedding cake because of what his religion says about it
@Quint Zed that's your opinion and that's completely fine..... But he should not be forced to abide by that
@Quint Zed I understand it's your opinion
This baker is way to sweet, the gay guy claimed he never ever had been treated this way as if someone beat him up because of his sexual orientation when in reality all the baker did was deny decorating the cake also apologizing them for the inconvenience and offering them other goods. I'm glad he won. These people disgust me.
Your local redhead feminist He didn’t apologise
London Girl Yeah he did. He said multiple times that he was sorry
@@melwin5574 He didn't apologise because he doesn't need to, he just said that it's not like he's enjoying refusing to do cakes.
@Your local redhead feminist Over 42 million Americans (13% of total population) believe it's "always wrong" for two people of a different race to marry, many for religious reasons. Do you support a baker's right to bake wedding cakes for couples of the same race, but to refuse them to interracial couples?
Derek Williams It’s his rights. I would serve anyone if I was a baker but I could see why he wouldn’t because of his religious beliefs. I think he should have he right to deny service to anyone as long as he has a valid reason for example religion.
Oh for cryin' out loud, just go to another bakery.
Derek Hansin They dont want other bakerys they want this one becouse its a Christian one
The shouldn’t have to tho.
Eurovision Fan tv that's bullshit, grow up. Stop throwing a fit and go somewhere else.
justin holmes what if a black person wanting a cake and he denied a black person the cake because of his religion it is not okay he should just bake the cake god doesn’t hate anyone
Eurovision Fan tv but that wasn't the issue, those are two separate issues.
Thank God he won in the end. What a strong, courageous man.
Hope he can put traditional wedding cakes back in business too, and never have a problem like that again.
He is trash and must be shut down for good and canceled
He did not win in the end. The Colorado Commission made disparaging comments about Jack and his religion so they threw the case out and made a narrow decision only for the baker and only for this one time.
How about forcing a vegan cook in their vegan restaurant to cook meat for you?
okay so its wrong for him to stand up for what he believes but its encouraged in the gay community?
Tannar Mathers His beliefs are oppressive though where as ours are liberating
London Girl oh yeah it’s super liberating to force a Christian to bake a “gay themed” cake. LGBT community will never be taken seriously because of you hypocritical sjw’s. This couple wasn’t treated as second class citizens or denied basic civil rights because a baker refused a wedding cake, and even offered them other deserts to sell them. This was nothing but harmful for the community, because of how negligent the entire situation was. Focus on the big picture and real cases of discrimination.
LemonCoconut If you actually watch the video he refused them before they could even discuss the theme of the wedding cake so to say he refused a gay themed cake is incorrect.
LemonCoconut If you actually watch the video he refused them before they could even discuss the theme of the wedding cake so to say he refused a gay themed cake is incorrect. This guy refused them a wedding cake because they are gay and that’s wrong regardless of whether he likes gay marriage or not. He needs to keep his personal opinions out of business. Ever heard of the saying it’s not personal it’s business? It directly applies here
London Girl If he has to design the cake with both their names, which was definitely going to happen, Then that alone was enough to make it artistic, and all these guy’s wedding cakes are complex feats, not just Some basic cake.
The Baker was the victim not the villain! The fact that Colorado took a way his first amendment right is really sad and concerning.
It’s his business
@jfsfrnd the gay couple could just go to another store... but no!!! They play the victim card instead... shitty bitches... fuck the SJW's as well... sending death threat wont make u look good idiots... yeah, its not just a cake, for both sides, the baker made those cakes as arts, religious expressions related... if they want to make such statement, look at both sides... bunch of snowflakes...😒
@@legion3964 yes I agree
@legion396 Yes but his business is regulated by Colorado law.
@@sr2291 so what
I’m really thankful and happy brother Jack won!! Praise the Lord!! Blessings from Canada 🇨🇦
I am definitely in support of the baker... and reading the comments I'm so happy that most of us agree that forcing someone to go against their religious beliefs for our own benefit is quite hypocritical. I hope the Baker gets back to making wedding cakes again.
"It was never about cakes." Proof it was a set up from the beginning.
Yes it was a set up by the devil, there's plenty more persecution to come for christians....beware ppl
exalt the KING OF KINGS.
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@@lodestar9877 The gays are fighting a voice in their head that says stop but they keep going I think.
Bad karma coming to those gay men for messing with a guy trying to follow his beliefs.
Beliefs differ and it’s his business. He built it and can choose to deny his customers. He’s the one losing money at the end of the day. This was just done for attention and you can’t deny that after how much it of it it’s gotten.
3:07 “the bakery may have won the battle but not the war” honey this went to the Supreme Court that means it won the war lol
You need to watch the whole video. They only ruled on the court being hostile to the baker. They didn't say he could discriminate!
kleyton rossi wrong Christians are finally losing to gays the united states just legalized gay marriage across the united states. And Ireland legalized gay marriage gays 2 Christians 1 so who is losing the war
Charles F well this “war” was about the freedom of religion beliefs... what you are talking about is something different. It’s a different war and honestly most people don’t care... the thing is to recognize the religious freedom that Christians have and don’t force us to do something that we believe is not right.
kleyton rossi first of the baker had absolutely no right to use his business as a platform to spread his hate based on his relgous beliefs and the supreme court failed to see that and it should have been 7-0 in favor of the gay couple as a message his business practice was unethical
Charles F how was he spreading hate??? This man would’ve sold them cupcakes, brownies and etc. he just didn’t do cakes because it’s a form of art. His art is created for a man and a woman. Why don’t you guys get that?!? In the video, no form of hate was shown by him. Hate came from the LGBT people who were trying to force him to bake something that went against his religious belief. I’m surprised that people have yet to know that us Christians are against hate
Charlie is awesome ! He did the right thing by not making the cake .
gay propaganda is wack
Yes he did
No he didn’t. Homophobia is so pathetic.
@@faye3861 making someone go against there religious beliefs because you want stuff to go your way dosnt work lol the lgbtq community wants freedom so bad but dosnt respect anyone else's freedom
ssizzles Maybe because religion isn’t fact. LGBT is fact.
It’s his business he can run it the way he wants and I agree with him.
I'm a gay man and I'm on the baker's side. How about we force a Jewish bakery to bake a cake commemorating Hitler next? I heard those guys knew he wouldn't bake that cake and they just went there to stir up trouble.
GO TO ANOTHER BAKERY!
You're just a kiss ass to society because you hate yourself and to blend in.
jfsfrnd
I think you're missing the point lmao, it's not about hitler it's about forcing someone to make a msg they don't believe in
thats part of it yeah, if the service in question forces the laborer to write something he or she dont wanna write lmao
remember the baker was requested to bake a cake that said "i support gay marriage" or some shit like that. That's compelled speech lol
O fuk, i stand corrected. Still, I agree with the decision tho, the supreme court's logic is pretty sound. Read here: www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado-gay-marriage-cake-supreme-court/index.html
Jack didnt boycott a gay wedding. He just didnt make their cake becuase of his beliefs. The gay couple could have gone somewhere else.
They wouldn't go to a Muslim bakery. Because they wouldn't have been as polite to them
Could you imagine being so fragile that you cry because someone wouldnt bake you a cake?
@Crazy melon ! Like if a goverment discriminated against a baker for his religious beliefs? Discrimination is a necessary part of life. You only disagree with discrimination when it involves a group you are politically affliated with. Grow up.
@Crazy melon ! You can not even put a coherent sentence together. Your lack of appropriate punctuation demonstrates you have the IQ of a turnip. The state threatened to prosecute him if he didn't bake the cake. Even after he won his lawsuit the state continued to harass him. You have no idea what you are talking about. The First Amendment was explicitly written to protect religious people.
@Crazy melon ! Being "hurt" is irrelevant. Citizens have the right to worship God as they see fit. You have a first amendment right. You have no right to force someone to make you a cake. These assholes tried to FORCE a guy to bake them a cake that was in direct contridiction to his religious beliefs. Not only that, they used the government to do it. Screw them theu are evil people.
Government: You gotta create cakes for gay marriages
Baker: *stops making wedding cakes*
Savage.
What a legend 👌🏼
That’s what should happen. He should sell wedding cakes to everyone or no one
Robron He didn’t refuse to make them a cake 🤦♂️
@@Lucky210309 it's his right to refuse service. The guy isn't even homophobic he refuses to make cakes that represent homosexuality and anti-homosexuality
Zoro Agario he refused to make them a wedding cake he sells to other people. That's refusing service.
I’m gay and I support this mans decision. The couple is too sensitive. Go to another bakery.
Setwhattt you are a criminal if you think that you can force people to take on your vile ideology.
That will never happen in the US. In fact LGBTQ rights will be the end of the radical leftists, the media has done its job well and spewed the right amount of truth seeds to make people understand that LGBTQ people are just people like the rest of us and they deserve no more rights than us. They will be treated like equals which would be service denial is in the picture. Free market is what America stands for and you will be shocked how you will not have any form of social justice power in a few years. Oh and another thing, Pride is not even a real thing, everyone should be proud of who they are and LGBTQ community ruined a beautiful word by trying to make it their own. Prepare yourself for a long life of disappointment and misery with that mindset because that's the only thing you are getting out of this.
rainandsnowandsorrow correct!!!!
Setwhattt LMAO no it's not because there's a difference between race and sexuality so try again. Also, the baker would have probably served the couple a birthday cake or even a graduation cake happily, it's just that a wedding cake celebrates marriage and it is against his religion to celebrate the MARRIAGE of same sex couples point blank. The baker wasn't being disrespectful or slanderous towards the couple either. He declined them politely and they still wanted to create controversy out of nothing.
Actually homosexuality is a choice
I live in Texas, and when I get married I'll have my wedding cake designed at his store...
I'm black
Straight
Christian values
He didn't discriminate against them he tried to accommodate them in the best way he could for the service he provides. He offered them a straight cake, instead of a gay cake 😂. Thanks for letting me know where to get my cake made.
Hope the best for your marriage dude :)
I hate straights 🤢 wow it's just my OpInIOn dont get TriGGERED anyone
Elf Elfington ok but did anyone ask??
YES! Same but white
Good for you brother. You get to get married and help a fellow Christian brother out. God is going to be very proud of you both.
Go find another baker to bake your cake. Gosh you want people to respect your rights but you cant respect others rights.
It's a private business. He has the right to do what he wants
It's a slippery slope. For example I support Jack's right to not make a wedding cake because that goes against his religious beliefs. But if he didn't want to make them lets say a birthday cake or anything else because they're gay I wouldn't support that. Do you think a business should be able to turn away black people just for being black or chinese people for being chinese? Just because it's a private business?
@@jsilva7005 that my friend is the free market. He turns away someone for being black he will lose money because of the couple he turned away and the people the couple told. However he should have the right to do whatever he wants. It's in his interest to not turn them away. There is more then 1 cake business out there.
@@jsilva7005 he didn't refuse service just a wedding cake you cant apply that to race
@@jsilva7005 Would any homosexual baker bake a cake with "homosexuality is a sin" ?
@@jsilva7005 should an Israeli baker be forced to make a cake to a Palestinian?
Nothing good happens when a government forces one man to oppress how he practices his faith in order to push how someone else thinks on him. He even offered to make other options. He did not object to baking something for them, in fact was willing to do so for any other item in his shop. The couple rejected all of his attempts to offer them support and instead fired what I call a frivolous lawsuit. The man is an artist, and you can't force anyone to sell you the art they create.
These two guys (I think they're guys?) were hateful and deceitful people who think it's ok to walk on other people's rights in order to enforce what they think is their rights. I detest their actions and what they stand for. Whos side do you think the Lord GOD would come down on?
How he practices his faith is not an excuse for someone else to break the law trying to oppress him in pursuit of fame and in an attempt to make money.
V Star 1300 Adventures that's not true. They didn't sue for any money so stop lying
V Star 1300 Adventures preach that’s why I’m glad the won the case. Homosexuals complain and cry too much.👫
Robron Suggle they suex to make a fat nuck. Nice try.
Why should someone's right to buy a cake trump someone's right to freedom of religion? Its hypocritical to say its discrimination of your sexuality, when you're discriminating based on the bakers religion. There are dozens of bakers to choose from, it wouldn't have taken much to say 'That's a shame, but we respect your rights. We will go somewhere else'
As a right leaning libertarian, if you want to have a same-sex marriage fine, that's your right. But you can't go into a church/mosque/synagogue/bakery/florist and force them to hold or be involved in the ceremony, in the same way as a Christian/Muslim/Jew can't force you to go to their religious ceremony
Tolerance works both ways. If you want people to be tolerant of how you live your life, you need to be tolerant of how others live their life, whether you agree with their decisions or not, thats just basic human respect
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@@JavaughnAnderson haha, thanks 😅
If the cake guy was Muslum or Amish this would not be happening.
@janjan de vil You wouldn't want to know
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Muslim and amish are seen as minorities but since the shop owner was a straight white man who's a christian, it's okay to attack him apparently
New change unlisted_viewer omg shut up y’all are acting like it’s a crime to be white and a man
There are numerous Muslim Bakers who also refused but no one seems to care about that they're only attacking Christians very fascinating
avader5 Maybe the couple actually identify as Christians and so feel betrayed by their own religion
@@mylifepostpain3705 well why tho, have they seen Leviticus 18:22
@@mylifepostpain3705 Christians who practice Homosexuality?!! Get educated Sweety
Vladimir K I am very well educated. It is possible to be Christian and gay as well. I have a few friends who are both. Or do you think that it’s okay to deny gay people the right to religious freedom? (The very thing you are fighting for for this man)
London Girl "Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God" . (Corinthians 6:9-10). Lady, your friends are either lying to themselves or they don't know better. Here is more "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination"(Leviticus 18:22). You cannot be gay and christian, in this case you either dishonest or misinformed.
I'm gay and I would never force someone to bake me a cake with a gay message on it if it's against their beliefs, there's thousands of cake shops that will happily bake a cake for LGBT people without being forced to. I respect people's beliefs and opinions even if we don't always agree.
ARTSYBOI96 TV true
Bobby Collins wtf how are you gonna tell them they’re not gay? That’s like me trying to convince you you’re straight. What a dumbass
Bobby Collins in the nicest way possible, that coverage doesn’t extend to LGBT folks. They aren’t considered a protected caste
Exactly. People have a right to disagree with you. Fortunately there enough competition not to be bothered by the lack of service from one supplier.
I share the same opinions with you. There are hundred or even thousands cake shops out there, which are willing to bake cakes for gay people. Why do we have to force people baking cakes when it goes against their religious beliefs? I am Catholic and I respect everyone's feelings on their sexual identities.
They cost him 40 percent of his business. He could have caved and said, sorry God, money is more important. He took a stand. He has my blessing. God's law is above man's law.
God will reward him for his stand.
As a private business owner he has the right to refuse service for whatever reason. I don't understand why people don't get that and try to force their views on other people. I am not religious but I respect his right to run his shop guided by his faith. I find it horrendous that the gay couple wanted their choice respected but they had no respect for his religious rights. It is too bad that he had to decide to stop making wedding cakes because of this case. I am sure that it did cost him a lot in lost income.
did they really have to bring that poor cake maker into all of this, couldn't they have just gone to some other bakery?
Oh, boo hoo.
@@andyiswonderful And that's why the lgbtqia will never triumph over the people's religious freedom.
Because they are looking for WAR
No they couldn't. They wouldn't have been able to carry out their agenda if they just found another bakery. The mentality of those who seek to force their ideology onto others is to seek dissent, and then raise that dissent to their peers attention, then destroy the dissenter.
@@dapperfan44 Are you therefore ok with a baker refusing wedding services to an interracial couple if he believes, as 13% of Americans still do, that marriage between different races is against God's law?
I like how he says, "I had never been treated this way before." Yet All the Baker did was apologize and say he couldn't make a wedding cake for them. He and his husband are the ones that cursed at him and tried to ruin his life by taking him to court. I can guarantee you, that specific cake shop was not their only option. If he didn't hurt you then leave him alone and drive 10 minutes down the road to another bakery that will serve you.
Edit: Because of the conversations under this comment, I would like to add...
He was not just refusing to serve them at all. He was refusing to sell them something symbolic (a wedding cake) of a practice that is taught from the bible to be between a man and a woman, and clearly that is not the case here and he doesn't want to go against his beliefs and so he refused to bake them a wedding cake. Whatever your religion or beliefs, I don't think that when someone knocks on your door and wants you to do something for them that you should have to do it, especially if it goes against something that you believe in and value. It seems like pretty common sense to me.
Andrews Random Day Is there any video of the actual incident in question? If not I’m just wondering why we are just blindly taking the bakers words as 100% truth and assuming that the gay couple are lying or just trying to bring problems to this baker.
@@mylifepostpain3705 I do not know if they cursed at him but in the post they made on Facebook which they show in the video. It is very clear that they want as much hatred toward the baker and his bakery as possible otherwise they wouldn't ask for it. I do not think discrimination is right, but the reality of this situation is that no one was hurt and the reason for his discrimination of gay couples wanting wedding cakes was very specific and reasonable. He will serve them, he just won't serve them a wedding cake because of religious reasons. If this was about a doctor and not getting medical attention or something like that, then yes that is absolutely without a doubt wrong. But that just isn't the case here.
Andrews Random Day Well we have very different opinions on the meaning of the word reasonable. As an atheist I believe that we should all treat eachother as we would want to be treated. Aka, if he wouldn’t want to walk into a bakery and be denied service because he’s a Christian then he shouldn’t deny service to other innocent groups of people.
@@mylifepostpain3705 I do not know if he would be a hypocrite in that sense but I would feel that is fair. If I am a Christian and deny a wedding cake to someone because of their choice, then someone doing the same to me because I am a Christian seems pretty "reasonable" to me.
Andrews Random Day this wasn't an accident. They knew he was Christian and went into the place because of that fact. They went into to further their own agenda.
I wanna go across the country to buy a cake from him
The baker was right to stand up for his faith
*God Bless you Jack, I'm sorry you had to go through all that b.s and I am so glad you won the case!*
1) Baker refuses to make cake.
2) Baker gets a multi-year lawsuit.
3) Baker loses 40% of his business and gets death threats.
4) Who's the victim here?
>The baker is an adult and makes his own choices.
So is the couple, who believed that being a good human is to force their beliefs in other people's throat, instead of going to another shop.
But sexuality and race aren't really the same thing.
People often say they are when arguing against religious freedom.
If one business refuses you a service, GO FIND ANOTHER BUSINESS!!!!
You are not entitled to insisting on one business for your demands. There are other businesses that can offer you a service. Honestly.
3:36 it's basically asking people to bully the shop owner. If they have problems go to the court. Idk why but left liberals and LGBT people think that it's for them to decide what's right and what's wrong.
I can’t believe that he had no choice but to get rid of wedding cakes all together. And it cost him 40% of his business 😮. He did the right thing though. They could’ve simply left the store because he has the right to refuse service at his own business. There’s so many other cake companies that do wedding cakes that support gay marriages! Smh they caused a whole lot of drama for nothing
This is what life before anti discrimination laws for blacks was like for black ppl
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and Jesus was in the wilderness for 40 days. the Israelites in the wilderness for 40 years. 40 YeARS. for an 11 day journey WHY ? but 40% of his business. hopefully he will get it back.
lithium25693 God doesnt hate black people he hates sin.
lithium25693 ok?
Maybe life before. But in today's market a lot of people will happily serve you as long as your money is good. Don't think that still applies.
They shopped this poor guy . They wanted to make an example and intimidate others into complying . Evil knows no bounds .
Lmfao but this is a good border, it seperates the men from the bitches. Of course men will shunned outta shit but we built to take it. The bitches are the catered and are "appalled" when someone doesn't agree with their dick sucking ways
The only thing that gets me is thee entitlement. Now that gays are more accepted, they feel more powerful. And all honesty, be who you wanna be, be with who you wanna be with but don't force nothing on no one. Partly reason why God destroyed Somdom and Gomorrah 🤔
I broke down and started crying boohoo. . There are bakers who stand for nothing ,ask them to bake your cake.
I didnt cry when my dog died and i love him with all my heart because i knew i had to be tough for him , and you cry for a cake
As a gay Republican this cake maker has the right to refuse service. For the couple they can take their business elsewhere. Money is green at the end of the day and if the owner doesn't want it then take it somewhere else. These gays are being dramatic. Not everyone agrees, THATS OKAY.
Tommy Ferrigno as a gay republican you need to learn the law. You can’t tell a woman “you can have anything in my store but not this one thing” because that’s discrimination. In states where you can’t discriminate against gay people you can’t say “have anything in my store but this one thing that’s only for straights”. That’s discrimination and no business has the right to refuse service to people because of their sex, race, religion and in states like Colorado Sexuality. He broke the law and the couple had every right to sue him
but you can denied service to anyone for whatever reasons. You can't go to a fancy restaurant dressed like hobo.
@@Lucky210309 you need to pull your head out of your ass and stop listening to Hillary. If he doesn't want to do based on religious beliefs go somewhere else! If doesn't want to take money that's his issue. You need to not be a fucking snowflake grow some balls and suck it up, not everyone in life will agree with and that is what makes the world go around. If you cannot handle that go to your safe space
@@Topofthelinetommy These entitled punks embarrass me as a gay person.
@@Lucky210309 it's his to decide... Not yours
That awkward moment when the LGBTQ boycott his business but later realize he wasn't going to serve them anyway 😂😂😂
Rage He would serve them he just won’t make a Cake for gay marriage
The awkward moment when your stupidity was put on display, for all to see, yet you are too stupid to notice.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Oooooh
andyiswonderful that awkward moment when you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about
Lol
"Its not about the cake" its about you not letting me force myself onto you lmao bro
This is not the only baker this has happened to. His freedom of speech and religion was not respected. It’s not that he wouldn’t let them buy anything in his shop. He decorates wedding cakes according to his beliefs. I’d bet he wouldn’t decorate a wedding cake for a satanist. Is that also discrimination? When do religious rights become equal to all other rights?
Someone did commission him to make a cake for Satan with an upsidedown-cross on it. I think this was merely out of spite of him being a Christian baker and standing firm by his beliefs.
It was intentional. They wanted the attention that's it because they could have literally gone to any other bakery they wanted.
courage agbeyebiawo exactly!👍🏻
Missing the point entirely. Try again, this time, use your little bitty brain.
@@andyiswonderful what point exactly?
courage agbeyebiawo is it illegal to speak up about what they didn’t like about the bakery?
@@szaing4029 what he meant was that instead of having the government make him go against his beliefs in his private business they could've gone some other Baker
This could’ve been resolved if the couple just walked out and found a new bakery to do there wedding cake instead of having the global argument
it's how the Outrage Brigade works. They don't choose their battles. They fight every single damn one of them. That's not normal.
The baker could have just baked a cake as well. Both sides are being stubborn
@Maaa- Except that he was breaking the law. The Supreme Court ruled on a very narrow issue that they felt the local law enforcement was overzealous. So, if law enforcement had acted more dispassionately, the court would have upheld the law.
@@MyNameIsNotDamien He didn't have to bake anything
@@andyiswonderful I wonder why the couple chose that bakery in particular? Referral? Only one in town? Or luck of the draw?
I am glad the baker won this case. You cannot force someone to make something that goes against there beliefs. I am deeply religious too and I would not want to be forced to make something I didn't want to.
Since when is "freedom" to force someone to do something he doesn´t want?
You realize there is more than ONE bakery in Denver right?
Well only one that you could get denied service at and then do the Clinton Book Tour about it...
These gay guys are so rude. Look at what they did to this man all because of a cake.
Well, really, it's all because they didn't get their way in a world/bubble that tells them how special they are.
austin mattingly The baker made all the wrong choices. Don’t blame others for your own choices and their repercussions
@@mylifepostpain3705 Your name says it all. How's the knifing over there? You fools banned guns now people are stabbing everyone. Up over 1000% and i'm sure you see it all over the news.
Your area is so shite you need to worry about your own godless country.
It's not even rude. It's entitled.
G A says the man whose from a country where a mass shooting happens literally every week. Yes we have a knife problem, which is actually getting better due to new laws passed two weeks ago. Where as Donald Duck in the White House thinks it’s still too premature to talk about gun control. How many people need to die before Americans pull their fingers out of their asses and actually do something about it?!
My respect for the baker📈📈📈
why
IT absolutely isn't about the cake it's about violating the baker's religious rights
He's recently been facing the same backlash over refusal to make a cake for a transexual's transfer...(whatever they call it) party. Leave the man alone! I'm sure everyone is well aware of his beliefs by now, stop bothering him just to get media attention. He's acting well within his rights. People expect him to respect their beliefs while stepping on and disregarding his?
Lmao 😂💀😭😭😭💀 “transsexual transfer” 😂😂💀😂😂😂💀😂💀😂 I’m rolling
That's the entitlement some few nutcrackers has today.. The play the victim card whenever the world doesn't give them whatever they want... Fucking cunts
ive personally met this guy and he is one of the sweetest people i’ve ever met.
really? that's pretty cool! what did he say?
learning greek we didn’t talk to him about the case
But he just doesn't bake gay cakes
Ashlen Govender he was willing to bake them a cake for their wedding with some different art on it. also offered them cupcakes and anything else in the store. he didn’t want to do the artwork on the original cake they had asked for because it went against his beliefs. he had every right to do so, just like everyone has a right to freedom of religion. the supreme court ruled that what he did was constitutional because it was. any shop owner also has the right to what they will and won’t do. doesn’t mean they can refuse service but they don’t have to say, bake you a cake with the nazi flag on it if you asked them to.
@@lindseyjohnson1998 Yea, you're absolutely right and he had the right to refuse them a wedding cake (but I feel a nazi flag would have been a different issue) and I don't think the gay couple should have taken this to court for discrimination. However, I just find it comical this far in our existence as humans he was still intolerant of a same sex marriage.
100% with the baker.
Stand your ground. Firmly!
God bless
They targeted him because they knew he was a Christian , Im sure there are other bakers who would make it 🤷♀️
He got targeted by the Satanic Temple still, and they told bakers to make cakes for Satan. Obviously, this doesn't work in his case because he doesn't make wedding cakes anymore, asking him to make a cake for Satan would desecrate his religion. That's like asking a Jew to make a Nazi cake. The Satanic Temple can say whatever they want about fighting for religious freedom, but they are not a religion, it is an anti-Christian advocacy group comprised of I assume all Atheists. People can be really evil in this world.
I'm gay and this doesn't bother me. As long as you don't infringe on my ability to live my day to day life, I don't care what your views about my sexuality are.
A business owner has the right to refuse service, period. They can just as easily not tell you why they're refusing service, they don't even owe you a reason.
I agree and at the same time I don’t agree.
I agree that he should be able to follow his religion but I also don’t want his religious beliefs and the religious beliefs of others to restrict which businesses I as a gay woman am welcome to use
@@mylifepostpain3705 the reality is it's their private property and service, and thus their right to deny service for any reason. If they don't want your money, take it elsewhere. If this were a widespread issue then that would require the need for dialogue about cultural shifts, but it isn't. The men that attacked this business owner were being divas. They knew they had other options but they milked this for what they could.
All I know is, this cake designer would never make a cake for my wedding, and as a result he doesn't get my money. We're both happy.
Andrea Mendenhall He was the one restricting their freedom not the other way around.
Andrea Mendenhall no freedom should include everybody. Anti discrimation laws should apply to everybody as well though and Christians or any other religion should not be exempt from these laws regardless of what they believe in. No matter what you say I will always know in my heart and in my mind that what this baker did was WRONG
Could he refuse service to black people based on their race?