I would like to add that being nice, telling someone what they are doing wrong, and helping them do what is right, goes a long way in making your local break a more functional community.
I'd share a wave with you ! I am a total nube but i got a few real surfer buddies who have your mindset so i am learning a LOT. It's cool how surfing is about more than just taking a wave.
Boards getting damaged during a flight has gotta be one of the most aggravating things. Also woke up at 5 am to go surf an hour drive down south only to get stung by a stingray on the walk out :/
The double-up! You see a wave peaking but as you try to paddle and take off its energy is stolen by a little double up wave behind it. Great series by the way. Keep it up
As a beginning surfer i have good surfer friends who are teaching me a lot about the do's and don'ts when it comes to surfing but they do forget that they have honed some serious skills over the past 2 decades. So what i kinda not like is when they drag me as a beginner into 2 m waves telling me all is fine, i am with them and nothing is going to happen. I took one of these waves which i probably would have not taken thanks to them but it sure felt like driving a panic attack.
That happened to me at G-Land indonesia. Man i wanted that perfect wave. He actually paddled up and over the wave, but he was right exactly where i needed to drop in. I pulled back and missed the wave. He made it over the wave and i wish he'd just go home.
I forgot about loose boards! Especially the guys that are too cool for leashes but always wipe out, loose their board then yell at you for not retrieving their board for them.
Thanks Brad! For all you do. -- Sting rays, maybe lets mention the cure, is hot water. It heals the wound within minutes. (the venom is neutralized.) -- At 10:10 i like this topic bc it pertains to snaking somebody. Should i snake him? Well, i've been called a "shoulder hopper" before, but my strategy was to wait and see if the first taker is going to make it, or fall. When he falls, its then my wave to catch. Does that make sense? You really do gotta give a guy a chance to ensure you don't snake him. I know that can be frustrating. (Because you want that wave.) Never snake ppl, as a general rule. Sometimes a guy will kick out early (maybe he wants to paddle out easily, or he thinks he completed the wave) then there's still a remainder of the wave that you can catch. It never hurts to surf on the inside! That's actually one of my secrets. Don't tell anyone.
You have the surf bug. Enjoy it. In the winter when the swell is 1-3 feet drive to Silverstrand beach in Oxnard. It will be 8-10 feet at the Washing Machine and all left. Be sure to be there early it blows out at 11 AM
Oh man, what a list! I totally relate to the being too tired to get the wave you want. Although, I really should workout more. (And thanks for showing my comment for the last one)
My buddy wears booties every surf session still to this day because of one sting ray incident. I’ve still been lucky enough to avoid being stung (even though I’ve definitely accidentally stepped on one).
Surf classes that go outside their permitted area and invade your area. This is not to say there shouldn’t be classes or people learning to surf, but too often respect for other surfers is never part of the “curriculum.”
My most hated situation in surfing is when you get a wave and ur friend gets a wave right after, then he paddles out with u, and he makes it over that next set and you don’t. Then you get pounded while he’s chillin. It sucks cuz 9 times out of 10 you know you couldn’t made it
As a bodysurfer, the thing that really pisses me off is the lack of consideration and respect from some surfers. Because I don't use a board they believe the can ignore priority. Bodysurfing doesn't allow me to go as fast, but guys, remember the other massive difference : bodysurfers almost never make it out of a wave. It's a pretty garanteed wipeout everytime. So when you see a dude charging a bomb, let him have it. He won't be taking another wave for the next 10 minutes.
Didn't realize you had to give up surfing for a bulging disk. That sucks. Have you looked into getting it fixed? Let's get a "go fund me" to get Brad surfing again!
3:28 "take the 2nd wave all day." Yes i have to agree, this is super infuriating and frustrating and EXHAUSTING, plus you can drown this way (LOL..... but no joke.) so here's my 2 cents, if you've chosen to paddle for a wave, do it wholeheartedly and CATCH it, so at least you get a ride before you get pounded trying to paddle back out, plus if you ride it into shore, if you ride it far enough, you will reduce your pounding, if not eliminate the pounding altogether (you can escape back to the sand). NOTE: this whole paragraph pertains to the situation where you have a big set approaching, and its 6 or 8 or 10 waves in the set.
The one that annoys me lately is when we have South swells, they’re less consistent than North, and the lulls create too much opportunity for beginners to paddle out to where they otherwise couldn’t get to. Or, the other is when you have lots of intermediates at a spot who don’t know the spot or surf there a lot but never learn it. They sit too deep then try to paddle into all the waves from too deep. You on the other hand know it’s gonna break right on the ledge where it always does, and then have to adjust your position for guys who have eyes bigger than their positioning. They paddle right in the direction you’re sitting, but are behind the ledge and will not make it in from where the lip is about to stand up three feet in front of them, EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE FUCKING SITTING IN THE FIRST PLACE. That scenario has been ruining my freaking sessions left and right. Intermediates good enough to surf but not good enough to ever learn a wave they surf at, pulling the entire lineup too far out of position.
Interesting comment. I actually like it when the lineup drifts out of position. More waves for me. I give away way more waves than I take, but first surfer standing gets the wave and if they're not in position, too bad. But it probably depends on the dynamic of your local break. I'm not really into crowded aggro vibe breaks... I will say that this does get more tricky when there is a big range of board lengths in the lineup. Longboards and sups get in way earlier, but I can usually tell if they are going to make it or not and give them the benefit of the doubt...
@@jamesroscoe7555 my local is all of the above, mids, longs, sups, shorts, boogies. Sadly we all basically know each other cause there’s only 16,000 people in the town and all the surfers know all the surfers. You’re forced to give benefit of doubt even when you know they are out of position. Why? Because you’ll see them again tomorrow surely. Longboards try ti paddle into a steep ledgy waves from behind the shelf. They paddle right at you when your in perfect position. They won’t make it in cause the wave hits the shelf, stands up fast, and is steep on the takeoff. Unless you want their longboard on your legs, you sorta have to move. Basically to compete without being blamed for their inabilities or poor positioning, you are forced to sit deep when you know it only breaks over the ledge. We sorta know who can and can’t but it’s a matter of wanting to have more friends than problems, because everyone knows everyone and or is related to someone. You can’t get away with much. You try to fight someone this week, turns out their brother is so and so next. Not worth it.
About the sea urchish my advise is harm bread the spike gonna get out and than lime juice , continuo with you videos tottally love than and for me the thing that i hate its crowd ( simes i live in bali i got a lot of that )
I think the SUP scenario is more on the rider. I've surfed with good SUP'ers that respect the line up and wait their turn. That SUP'er shown in the video was a straight up kook.
ok hows this one... the surf is epic, surf for hours, the whole time the tide was dropping unnoticed and then begins the 1/4 mile reef dance as it gets dark - and one buddy comes in way after dark ( gotta love indo )
OMG do surfers have issues. I do wingfoiling and surf. My two issues with wingfoiling are the tide and light winds, and that's about it. If I do stand up paddle I make sure I move away from any surfers. If I do surf with other surfers it's because they let me. Otherwise, I can quickly paddle to an empty peak. I am 60 so I surf on a wavestorm to help me catch waves easier. If you are a surfer and you have checked yes on more than 5 of the 15 things, you need to remember you are not a pro surfer you are just out there to have fun, no matter the conditions. If you are not having fun, then it's your attitude. When you go to a supermarket and there's a long line at the checker, think about how long it would take to grow or hunt for your own food. An extra 1/2 hour won't kill you.
Hey brother. From Hawaii. We call the urchins vana, this is gonna sound insane. But pee on your foot the next time it ever happens , literally takes the pain away. And ngl at 8 I had my older cousin pee on my foot cause it’s better when it’s not yours . Island traditions those things make you wanna rage on the ocean personally
Surfing w friends. I hate surfing w friends! THEY think etiquette is for strangers!? Back paddle or cut you off and say, "Haha, my bad!" "Ya it is your bad. Better be at the car before me bc I'm not chauffeuring your ass out here to burn me."
6:00-6:18 "part of the crowd". Can we throw a brick at them? One exception, the infamous Wagner DeAbreau at elporto has taken to the SUP. I feel like, when you have an ex-pro surfer who does the SUP, then the guy sort of knows what he's doing. It's never a problem. It's when you have an idiot on a SUP, that's a big problem.
How about, when someone calls you off a wave, only pull out because they decide they were too deep in the end. And then it happens to be a perfect barrel.
Another one: "Complaining", just be happy when you get to paddle out. We addicted to surfing because of nature, and unpredicted aspects of surfing. So be happy and swerving out of obstacles and seen those acts as challenges. Again be happy and be blessed.
I was seriously a big offender of this a few years back where if I was having a bad day I'd get to the point that I just take off on my friends or family and not say a damn word.... Super thankful I've changed my attitude and it helped out because when I start being positive I end up catching a wave that makes my whole fucking day it was all worth it!!
I'd like to add barking sea lions...you know the ones that pop up next to you barking and pounding their chest like they want to fight...then they dive underwater and pop up randomly barking...i try to get my feet out of the water without looking like a pussy...that barking seal will look and act like he is f-ing mad as fck.
Comment about army of Wavestorms is right on! What's with this clueless new mentality of a big group paddling out together? Please surf by yourself or with ONE friend!
Guys all being all aggressive to get the inside slot and then don’t take off cause they chicken out and you don’t want to drop in on them cause you want to be a snake. If your committed you better take off if you ain’t going to take off don’t paddle or just stay out of the water. You’ll get more respect even if you get pitched.
When some dude want to install dum video camera, so the whole world can see a great surf spot . Some dude that goes on a search for different surf spots . Find a spot that only few know about , this dude tell everyone . When a local knows few sports only locals know . Dude tell a pro surfer. When dude give up great spot by telling some girl , to impress her. Then she tells everyone. This is at top of list . When your local break is always blow out , small and walled up 90 % of time . The other locals never paddle out and never want to surf there . Because they surf few other spots that break good or great 80 % of the time . Then 1 day it good and peaky , all sudden everyone one want to surf that spot they never surf . Have no respect for you or the ones that surf there everyday. Then they say Im a local live up street . I use to surf here all the time ( knowing that are lying ) Or some person that learning and acts of have right to just do what ever they want and always getting in the way.
As a SUP surfer I’ve been aware of how much venom surfers throw at us. I’ve always been cautious and deferential but after years of watching surfers miss waves and great waves going the the beach empty I had enough. I go for it. If it’s clear the surfer is getting it then I’ll stop or kick out. Dont hate us because you miss waves!
I would like to add that being nice, telling someone what they are doing wrong, and helping them do what is right, goes a long way in making your local break a more functional community.
I'd share a wave with you ! I am a total nube but i got a few real surfer buddies who have your mindset so i am learning a LOT. It's cool how surfing is about more than just taking a wave.
@alainvosselman9960 right on. Surfing is about enjoying the ocean, how could you not want to share the stoke with other people?
Boards getting damaged during a flight has gotta be one of the most aggravating things. Also woke up at 5 am to go surf an hour drive down south only to get stung by a stingray on the walk out :/
I just got my third sting in North SD County after years of no issues at all. What's up with that?
paddle out don't walk & if you walk do the stingray shuffle!!
The double-up! You see a wave peaking but as you try to paddle and take off its energy is stolen by a little double up wave behind it. Great series by the way. Keep it up
As a beginning surfer i have good surfer friends who are teaching me a lot about the do's and don'ts when it comes to surfing but they do forget that they have honed some serious skills over the past 2 decades.
So what i kinda not like is when they drag me as a beginner into 2 m waves telling me all is fine, i am with them and nothing is going to happen. I took one of these waves which i probably would have not taken thanks to them but it sure felt like driving a panic attack.
Super annoying, dinging your board at home on a door jam etc.. It stings less when it gets damaged when out surfing, at least it's worth it.
Got stung by a stingray for the first time last year. Been surfing for 20 years. Pretty painful.
Paddling for a wave but theres someone in the impact zone so you have to back out to not hit them
That happened to me at G-Land indonesia. Man i wanted that perfect wave. He actually paddled up and over the wave, but he was right exactly where i needed to drop in. I pulled back and missed the wave. He made it over the wave and i wish he'd just go home.
I forgot about loose boards! Especially the guys that are too cool for leashes but always wipe out, loose their board then yell at you for not retrieving their board for them.
Thanks Brad! For all you do.
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Sting rays, maybe lets mention the cure, is hot water. It heals the wound within minutes. (the venom is neutralized.)
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At 10:10 i like this topic bc it pertains to snaking somebody. Should i snake him? Well, i've been called a "shoulder hopper" before, but my strategy was to wait and see if the first taker is going to make it, or fall. When he falls, its then my wave to catch. Does that make sense? You really do gotta give a guy a chance to ensure you don't snake him. I know that can be frustrating. (Because you want that wave.) Never snake ppl, as a general rule. Sometimes a guy will kick out early (maybe he wants to paddle out easily, or he thinks he completed the wave) then there's still a remainder of the wave that you can catch. It never hurts to surf on the inside! That's actually one of my secrets. Don't tell anyone.
You have the surf bug. Enjoy it. In the winter when the swell is 1-3 feet drive to Silverstrand beach in Oxnard. It will be 8-10 feet at the Washing Machine and all left. Be sure to be there early it blows out at 11 AM
You are so right about your breath being short and muscles being tense in cold water. I thought that was only me, Thanks Brad
Oh man, what a list! I totally relate to the being too tired to get the wave you want. Although, I really should workout more. (And thanks for showing my comment for the last one)
Thanks for covering my comment, I can’t remember writing it but that’s definitely something I would have wrote
My biggest frustration surfing is when another guy has the inside of what looks to be a really nice wave and at the last second pulls out.
Love the vids I enjoy watchin your awesome clips!!!
My buddy wears booties every surf session still to this day because of one sting ray incident.
I’ve still been lucky enough to avoid being stung (even though I’ve definitely accidentally stepped on one).
Great video as usual. Maybe you should interview some of the local South Bay shapers ... the established ones and the up and coming.
Suiting up with perfect offshore winds and as soon as you get out there the wind switches.
Surf classes that go outside their permitted area and invade your area. This is not to say there shouldn’t be classes or people learning to surf, but too often respect for other surfers is never part of the “curriculum.”
My most hated situation in surfing is when you get a wave and ur friend gets a wave right after, then he paddles out with u, and he makes it over that next set and you don’t. Then you get pounded while he’s chillin. It sucks cuz 9 times out of 10 you know you couldn’t made it
As a bodysurfer, the thing that really pisses me off is the lack of consideration and respect from some surfers. Because I don't use a board they believe the can ignore priority. Bodysurfing doesn't allow me to go as fast, but guys, remember the other massive difference : bodysurfers almost never make it out of a wave. It's a pretty garanteed wipeout everytime. So when you see a dude charging a bomb, let him have it. He won't be taking another wave for the next 10 minutes.
Didn't realize you had to give up surfing for a bulging disk. That sucks. Have you looked into getting it fixed? Let's get a "go fund me" to get Brad surfing again!
Getting blinded by spray when paddling into a wave and not being able to see what the wave is doing or
where you are going..
A great set arrives while peeing.
The guy on the SUP… we’ll it really depends on if that guy is going to go for everything or not
When longboarders let ridable waves go by. They can catch ANYTHING, so there's very few excuses.
Love this, great Friday entertainment! Oh one more. Parking. Know where you want to go and can't find a spot for miles around.
Ohhh man. I have no idea how I didn't think of that (parking) ESPECIALLY seeing how I live close to el porto. That's one of the best yet.
After all that.. i need a waaambulance.... all you need to proceed is the minset..... you get what you get. Nothing more nothing less.. nice vlog brad
Watched a classmate get injured from an abandoned surfboard in 15 foot surf. We had to take him to the hospital
Another one is getting your leg rope caught in your toes when you stand up so that you can’t properly ride the wave
Stingray sting took me out of the surf for over 2 weeks this year after getting an infection the week after being stung 🤦♂️
3:28 "take the 2nd wave all day." Yes i have to agree, this is super infuriating and frustrating and EXHAUSTING, plus you can drown this way (LOL..... but no joke.) so here's my 2 cents, if you've chosen to paddle for a wave, do it wholeheartedly and CATCH it, so at least you get a ride before you get pounded trying to paddle back out, plus if you ride it into shore, if you ride it far enough, you will reduce your pounding, if not eliminate the pounding altogether (you can escape back to the sand). NOTE: this whole paragraph pertains to the situation where you have a big set approaching, and its 6 or 8 or 10 waves in the set.
The one that annoys me lately is when we have South swells, they’re less consistent than North, and the lulls create too much opportunity for beginners to paddle out to where they otherwise couldn’t get to. Or, the other is when you have lots of intermediates at a spot who don’t know the spot or surf there a lot but never learn it. They sit too deep then try to paddle into all the waves from too deep. You on the other hand know it’s gonna break right on the ledge where it always does, and then have to adjust your position for guys who have eyes bigger than their positioning. They paddle right in the direction you’re sitting, but are behind the ledge and will not make it in from where the lip is about to stand up three feet in front of them, EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE FUCKING SITTING IN THE FIRST PLACE. That scenario has been ruining my freaking sessions left and right. Intermediates good enough to surf but not good enough to ever learn a wave they surf at, pulling the entire lineup too far out of position.
Interesting comment. I actually like it when the lineup drifts out of position. More waves for me. I give away way more waves than I take, but first surfer standing gets the wave and if they're not in position, too bad. But it probably depends on the dynamic of your local break. I'm not really into crowded aggro vibe breaks...
I will say that this does get more tricky when there is a big range of board lengths in the lineup. Longboards and sups get in way earlier, but I can usually tell if they are going to make it or not and give them the benefit of the doubt...
@@jamesroscoe7555 my local is all of the above, mids, longs, sups, shorts, boogies. Sadly we all basically know each other cause there’s only 16,000 people in the town and all the surfers know all the surfers. You’re forced to give benefit of doubt even when you know they are out of position. Why? Because you’ll see them again tomorrow surely. Longboards try ti paddle into a steep ledgy waves from behind the shelf. They paddle right at you when your in perfect position. They won’t make it in cause the wave hits the shelf, stands up fast, and is steep on the takeoff. Unless you want their longboard on your legs, you sorta have to move. Basically to compete without being blamed for their inabilities or poor positioning, you are forced to sit deep when you know it only breaks over the ledge. We sorta know who can and can’t but it’s a matter of wanting to have more friends than problems, because everyone knows everyone and or is related to someone. You can’t get away with much. You try to fight someone this week, turns out their brother is so and so next. Not worth it.
the bad thing about wavestormers is that they're usually inexperienced and might cut you off or be in the way
My first month surfing I got stung by a stingray...couldn't walk right or surf for a month, worst luck ever
About the sea urchish my advise is harm bread the spike gonna get out and than lime juice , continuo with you videos tottally love than and for me the thing that i hate its crowd ( simes i live in bali i got a lot of that )
what do you do on a wavestorm if a big set is coming to stay out of others ways and not hurt people? it's impossible to hold onto in a big set.
Oh you kinda mentioned it but when that guy that sitting deep has zero chance of making it but still tries to go.
When u dent or break some1 else’s board
Yessss a New vidéo
I think the SUP scenario is more on the rider. I've surfed with good SUP'ers that respect the line up and wait their turn. That SUP'er shown in the video was a straight up kook.
When you get in the water with perfect offshore conditions only for the wind to pick up even more and become a long heavy closeout…
How about going to the beach with non surfers ....? They have a totally different agenda and think YOU'RE inconsiderate!
ok hows this one... the surf is epic, surf for hours, the whole time the tide was dropping unnoticed and then begins the 1/4 mile reef dance as it gets dark - and one buddy comes in way after dark ( gotta love indo )
How about a video on what surfers fear? I could think of one: Stingrays
Great idea!
OMG do surfers have issues. I do wingfoiling and surf. My two issues with wingfoiling are the tide and light winds, and that's about it. If I do stand up paddle I make sure I move away from any surfers. If I do surf with other surfers it's because they let me. Otherwise, I can quickly paddle to an empty peak. I am 60 so I surf on a wavestorm to help me catch waves easier. If you are a surfer and you have checked yes on more than 5 of the 15 things, you need to remember you are not a pro surfer you are just out there to have fun, no matter the conditions. If you are not having fun, then it's your attitude. When you go to a supermarket and there's a long line at the checker, think about how long it would take to grow or hunt for your own food. An extra 1/2 hour won't kill you.
Howzabout the wind sucks as you're surf checking then you get home and it flips offshore?
Watching someone miss the wave they committed to and go back to the front of the line up smh.
Devious Dolphins
On a bigger day, on a tough paddle out, you think you finally make it back out to the line up just in time to see everyone scratching for the horizon.
Hey brother. From Hawaii. We call the urchins vana, this is gonna sound insane. But pee on your foot the next time it ever happens , literally takes the pain away. And ngl at 8 I had my older cousin pee on my foot cause it’s better when it’s not yours . Island traditions those things make you wanna rage on the ocean personally
Surfing w friends. I hate surfing w friends! THEY think etiquette is for strangers!? Back paddle or cut you off and say, "Haha, my bad!" "Ya it is your bad. Better be at the car before me bc I'm not chauffeuring your ass out here to burn me."
SUPs can get nailed when the waves 🌊 are pumping and capsize during the time the time when the launch out
6:00-6:18 "part of the crowd". Can we throw a brick at them? One exception, the infamous Wagner DeAbreau at elporto has taken to the SUP. I feel like, when you have an ex-pro surfer who does the SUP, then the guy sort of knows what he's doing. It's never a problem. It's when you have an idiot on a SUP, that's a big problem.
In my opinion if the surfers dont catch the first wave of the set, It is because It caught they by surprise
Sorry for de gramar mistakes. I am spanish speaker trying to study englis
You should add forgetting to wax your board
Haring to go out of the water because your board isn’t waxed enough
love you !!!!!!!
Low tide reefs or just reefs in general especially with no booties. That is the worst when you hit a rock or you fall in a hole in the water 😂
How about, when someone calls you off a wave, only pull out because they decide they were too deep in the end. And then it happens to be a perfect barrel.
Big winter days when there is good conditions and ++beeeg but good waves and you know after driving up and seeing it..
you gotta take another shit.
When the water is more cold than you thuot and when you loss your fin on a twini
Another one: "Complaining", just be happy when you get to paddle out. We addicted to surfing because of nature, and unpredicted aspects of surfing. So be happy and swerving out of obstacles and seen those acts as challenges. Again be happy and be blessed.
I was seriously a big offender of this a few years back where if I was having a bad day I'd get to the point that I just take off on my friends or family and not say a damn word.... Super thankful I've changed my attitude and it helped out because when I start being positive I end up catching a wave that makes my whole fucking day it was all worth it!!
Also add to the animals one, jellyfish and sea butterflies!! So annoying and painful!
I'd like to add barking sea lions...you know the ones that pop up next to you barking and pounding their chest like they want to fight...then they dive underwater and pop up randomly barking...i try to get my feet out of the water without looking like a pussy...that barking seal will look and act like he is f-ing mad as fck.
@@michaelpihkal lol
Slabs are brutal. Expect a broken bone, ribs, legs, arms etc... it's real surfing.
Sounds like anger is the problem.
Comment about army of Wavestorms is right on! What's with this clueless new mentality of a big group paddling out together? Please surf by yourself or with ONE friend!
boards are life preservers
Guys all being all aggressive to get the inside slot and then don’t take off cause they chicken out and you don’t want to drop in on them cause you want to be a snake. If your committed you better take off if you ain’t going to take off don’t paddle or just stay out of the water. You’ll get more respect even if you get pitched.
when you forget your wetsuit at home
When some dude want to install dum video camera, so the whole world can see a great surf spot .
Some dude that goes on a search for different surf spots .
Find a spot that only few know about , this dude tell everyone .
When a local knows few sports only locals know . Dude tell a pro surfer.
When dude give up great spot by telling some girl , to impress her. Then she tells everyone.
This is at top of list . When your local break is always blow out , small and walled up 90 % of time .
The other locals never paddle out and never want to surf there . Because they surf few other spots that break good or great 80 % of the time .
Then 1 day it good and peaky , all sudden everyone one want to surf that spot they never surf . Have no respect for you or the ones that surf there everyday.
Then they say Im a local live up street . I use to surf here all the time ( knowing that are lying )
Or some person that learning and acts of have right to just do what ever they want and always getting in the way.
As a SUP surfer I’ve been aware of how much venom surfers throw at us. I’ve always been cautious and deferential but after years of watching surfers miss waves and great waves going the the beach empty I had enough. I go for it. If it’s clear the surfer is getting it then I’ll stop or kick out. Dont hate us because you miss waves!
Broken boards suck. Buy two.
Just glad to not see boogie boarders on here ;)
Foilers
Loyal to the foil
Agree, they are SO fucking dangerous!!!!
Surfline!
Being invisible because I’m a woman especially when the guys suck🤯 don’t be a snake.
Dont hate on sup ! If you rip and follow the rules everyone is cool ! Its those kooks on Costco boards snaking people that are frigging maddening!!