The 130 tonne Tiger-Maus | The Lost Maus

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  • An understanding of what is a very complicated picture of German heavy tank development in WW2 is incomplete without consideration of the programme by Krupp as a rival design to the Maus from Dr. Porsche. Although Porsche was the overall design lead for the Maus (Typ 205), he was not responsible for the turret or armor, which were Krupp projects. Krupp had some very different ideas to Porsche on how a heavy tank should look and be protected and, whilst they worked together on the Maus, they were also rivals over whose design would better suit the needs of the military and get into production. Dr. Porsche’s design would eventually weigh-in at around 200 tonnes, but Krupp’s was a smaller vehicle, with removeable side armor and nearly 70 tonnes lighter. Whilst Dr. Porsche’s design would eventually win out over Krupp’s, the Krupp design is arguably a better design and far more practical for production, as it reused off-the-shelf components being used in the Tiger II and Panther.
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    An article by Andrew Hills
    Narrated by Stan Lucian
    Edited by Pavel Alexe
    Sound edited by Kraiger

КОМЕНТАРІ • 56

  • @pavelalexe9254
    @pavelalexe9254 3 роки тому +94

    As a side note. THIS IS NOT THE E 100

    • @kayagorzan
      @kayagorzan 3 роки тому +9

      Indeed

    • @thebunkerparodie6368
      @thebunkerparodie6368 3 роки тому +6

      can I still convert dragon E-100 into a tiger maus though? www.super-hobby.com/products/E-100-Heavy-Tank-Nachtjager.html (I want to compare this kit wih trumpeter E-100 ,wich is quite easy too build,I'm doing their stug and jagdpanzer and they are both great kit)

    • @e100wolfenstein9
      @e100wolfenstein9 3 роки тому +1

      But the hull is a E100's hull

  • @Rubashow
    @Rubashow 3 роки тому +55

    "We can use many of the shelve components."
    "Pretty good. For example?"
    *record scratch*
    "The Tiger IIs transmission."

  • @loganb7059
    @loganb7059 3 роки тому +14

    3:18 I was listening to this while working and saw the image out of the corner of my eye. Took me completely off guard and I burst out laughing. Good thing I’m working from home.

  • @CarburetorThompson
    @CarburetorThompson 3 роки тому +30

    You’d think you would have run out of Mauses by now

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  3 роки тому +17

      Is that a challenge?

    • @faatihh1130
      @faatihh1130 3 роки тому +9

      @@TanksEncyclopediaYT what's next? maus anti aircraft?

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  3 роки тому +9

      www.mycity-military.com/imgs/113167_103176712_Maus%20twin%2088%20mm.jpg

    • @Hunter12396
      @Hunter12396 3 роки тому

      @@jorislangenkamp2833 It doesn't, that was a joke.

  • @shounaksengupta3160
    @shounaksengupta3160 3 роки тому +27

    could you do an article on the various KV-4 proposals? The KV-4 is really interesting. Apparently there are over 10 proposals

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  3 роки тому +13

      Hello Shounak,
      While such articles are within our sights and within our scope, they are not currently in the works. You can add them to our Public Suggestion List and you can help by adding more sources (or other suggested articles)
      docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p0Ll9TITGDiF9_fdS-tv1797JBs0_-pB70ReE_kIRkE/edit#gid=1911430820
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    • @loganb7059
      @loganb7059 2 роки тому +1

      @___MY ZQUAD IZ GODZILLA’z ___ speak for yourself. Failed prototypes which would be utterly useless are fascinating.

  • @null3319
    @null3319 3 роки тому +7

    Great video!
    an actual good recommendation by the algorithm!

  • @graycecollins2085
    @graycecollins2085 3 роки тому +9

    Me, a WoT player :
    Ah yes, the E-100

  • @kazm4760
    @kazm4760 3 роки тому +3

    perfect video for the morning

  • @globalcitizen8321
    @globalcitizen8321 2 роки тому +4

    "It's a Porsche"... -. How fast can it go ?
    -. 13 km/h (8.1 mph)... Damn fast !

  • @panzerkamf1237
    @panzerkamf1237 3 роки тому +15

    Wonder if you guys can research on the weird one off. Its a jeep with armor and alot of .30cals

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  3 роки тому +4

      Hello Panzerkampf,
      While such articles are within our sights and within our scope, they are not currently in the works. You can add them to our Public Suggestion List and you can help by adding more sources (or other suggested articles)
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  • @Panzer_Runner
    @Panzer_Runner 3 роки тому +2

    I love the memes you put in

  • @handsomeivan1980
    @handsomeivan1980 3 роки тому +30

    Ah, perfect thing to was with my 3am microwave burritos

    • @ThroneOfBhaal
      @ThroneOfBhaal 3 роки тому +1

      4:40am Chicken tendies.
      I have problems.

    • @Panzer_Runner
      @Panzer_Runner 3 роки тому +1

      I had a 5 AM reheated Chinese takeaway

  • @Calisota
    @Calisota 3 роки тому +3

    Basically a minimal different E100 hull with a Maus turret

  • @mattbowden4996
    @mattbowden4996 3 роки тому +2

    A long time ago I read a theory that Wa Pruf 6 endorsed the Tiger-Maus specifically to undercut the Porsche Maus, as they wanted nothing to do with Porsche's tank designs. The article suggested that Wa Pruf 6 had decided that if Hitler was determined to have 100+ ton tanks, they at least wanted some say in the direction of the project which they absolutely would not get with Porsche being involved.
    Remember that Wa Pruf 6 had cancelled Krupp's 80 ton Lowe in the spring of 1942 for being too heavy, approving the lighter Tiger II in it's place. For them to perform an complete one-eighty and endorse the even heavier Tiger-Maus within six months of that decision doesn't make any sense unless they were trying to impose some form of control on a "rogue" development program that had managed to outflank them - which is exactly what Porsche had done by taking his Maus proposal directly to Hitler.
    If true, the Tiger-Maus was a project born of politics and it was killed by politics - basically Porsche had Hitler's ear so his project was going to go ahead no matter how hare-brained it was and Wa Pruf 6 just had to suck it up.

  • @jasonisbored6679
    @jasonisbored6679 2 роки тому +1

    This and the Maus 2 should both be a thing in warthunder. I don't even play germany but these massives would be so fun to fight and see.

  • @hunter_0221
    @hunter_0221 3 роки тому +7

    I think you should have gotten more into how it's different from the E-100, as it was popularized by World of Tanks and War Thunder (the latter even has the Mausturm, so one could even argue the WT E-100 isn't even the E-100). From what I understood, the only differences include the turret and the suspension variant, and that I gleaned from the comments, not the video.

    • @biscuit715
      @biscuit715 3 роки тому +1

      Im with you on wanting to hear differences, but in an objective sense it is best to talk about only this vehicle. An encyclopedia article should talk about what it's about, not something else. The reader can tell the differences by reading both articles. If you start talking about how Tiger Maus is different to E100 you have to do that in both articles, and repeating the same information twice in two different places is a bad idea, at least for an encyclopedia.
      In terms of a one off video yeah differences would be nice, but considering this is meant to be part of a larger project it makes sense why they left it out.

    • @hunter_0221
      @hunter_0221 3 роки тому

      @@biscuit715 That logic makes a lot of sense, yes. Might have been cool for the sake of the video, but I get why it would result in a never-ending redundancy for the encyclopedia articles.
      Cheers, and thanks for the reply.

  • @828enigma6
    @828enigma6 2 роки тому +2

    Bigger tank, bigger target. Not necessary to penetrate it. Just damage the tracks/drive sprocket. Let the Air Force finish it off. Or let it get stuck or collapse a bridge under it.

  • @828enigma6
    @828enigma6 2 роки тому +1

    Shame the better design didn't prevail. Can't help but think some of the weight would have been saved with sloped armor, especially on the turret.

  • @maus-chanuwu1244
    @maus-chanuwu1244 3 роки тому +1

    Finally somone talk about my lost brother

  • @WadcaWymiaru
    @WadcaWymiaru 3 роки тому +1

    Tiger Mouse...sounds like a fish name XD
    (while sea mouse is the worm XD)

  • @sir_westerlund
    @sir_westerlund 3 роки тому

    I have only one question. So, the Tiger-Maus had a Porsche Maus style turret but in reality the torret of the Tiger-Maus was exactly the same as the Porsche Maus or it's basically a similar turret?

  • @od1452
    @od1452 Рік тому

    So... I am corrected wrong... the Maus II turret was NOT used on the E-100 ? And the original 205 turret was? LOl.. confusing help ! Otherwise thanks .

  • @harlech2
    @harlech2 Рік тому

    Here is an idea for future videos. Let's have one on the designs presented by Turdinand Porsche that weren't dismal failures/doomed to failure. I realize the Tiger Maus wasn't his design, but the Maus was, and because he had Hitler's ear, it got the nod. IMO that man did more than any other single person to bring about the downfall of Nazi Germany.

  • @nullanonsonemmenoiocosascr6676
    @nullanonsonemmenoiocosascr6676 3 роки тому +4

    Can you make a video about the Panzer III/IV (the Real design,Not the wargaming design) and discuss it's utility? Because i would like to learn more about this project

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  3 роки тому

      Hello Dario,
      While such articles are within our sights and within our scope, they are not currently in the works. You can add them to our Public Suggestion List and you can help by adding more sources (or other suggested articles)
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  • @hauptmannerich
    @hauptmannerich 3 роки тому +1

    Ahh Yes The Best Turret (Maus turret)

  • @elsamu9458
    @elsamu9458 Рік тому +1

    Is World of Tanks's new Tiger-Maus 120T accurate?

    • @cikuI00
      @cikuI00 Рік тому

      I'm trying to find something about it too :D Overall from what I found, it's not that fake, but WG put their hand on it anyway.

    • @elsamu9458
      @elsamu9458 Рік тому

      @@cikuI00 Yea I found out the same as you, I thought that it was more fake than it is. Im impressed

    • @cikuI00
      @cikuI00 Рік тому

      @@elsamu9458 Exactly!

    • @dwwolf4636
      @dwwolf4636 9 місяців тому

      Run up tanksharp andnyou can get an idea of the armor weight involved.

  • @nizalmuhammad9689
    @nizalmuhammad9689 2 роки тому

    Tank world is unique right?

  • @binubobway6497
    @binubobway6497 2 роки тому

    Maus can take a modern day navel shell

  • @FilouZ_9000
    @FilouZ_9000 3 роки тому

    When u've just coped with the fack that there is a maus 2
    *ANOTHER ONE*

  • @theprussianloner205
    @theprussianloner205 3 роки тому +1

    So, tiger-maus is E-100, right?

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  3 роки тому +16

      No. Tiger-Maus is the predecessor of the E-100. The Tiger-Maus was the competitor of the Porsche Maus, not the E100. The Tiger Maus had an early style Maus turret (curved front), the E100 had a lightened Maus II type turret (angled front). The Tiger Maus had torsion bar suspension.

  • @alwoo5645
    @alwoo5645 2 роки тому

    Strange they struggle to get the power out of the machines why not just use a aircraft engine?

  • @mando_dablord2646
    @mando_dablord2646 3 роки тому

    Late war German tank design just gets more and more disappointing...