For those that have not tried their hand at fallout tactics, there's actually a lot of drivable vehicles. And for those that have not tried their hand at fallout tactics, there's actually a lot of drivable vehicles in that game.
So let me understand: The Institute can crank out androids, the BoS can build airships, retrofit Vertibirds, and restore Liberty Prime from scratch, and maintain lots of power armor, *Yet we have all these powerful vehicles sitting around rusting...*
@@feralhawg867 I can see that aspect as well, but even if they were to add drivable vehicles, I doubt they would really hit it strong, simply because they haven't been popular as of late for many reasons.
Tactics isn't considered cannon so it is unlikely that they have cars/tanks and would use pa as an alternative but they should be able to get some of the older cars working I think there are only 2 or 3 cannon working cars
a tank has many cons than pros like: the tank breaks down a lot since there are far more moving parts than a vertibird that can break down, takes too much resources like metal and even rare metals, can get stuck easily by a ditch, way too heavy that it can probably get stuck on a swamp or ancient infrastructure like bridges can collapse from its immense weight, there's a lot of impassable terrain if it goes off road the chances of the tank getting stuck is high and its both slow and drains a ton of energy similar to a V8 6.2 liter engine
The Sherman in Fallout: Tactics was also probably an easy choice because they can be found in museums (and the BOS has no qualms about raiding a museum for technology they can use and frankly in the wastes a tank is a game-changer as most people can't even take down someone in combat armor - so a tank, even one tank, is a force multiplier! The only thing better is a vertibird!)
I could see some raiders fixing it just enough to move, then they'd have their own rolling bunker. They wouldn't even need to fix the cannon, the heavy machineguns would shred on their own.
Also, the cost and maintenance of running a tank is so high only a force like the bos could. Tanks have mpg something like 50x worse than many cars, would collapse things like crumbling pre-war roads and bridges, and finding spare parts like tracks for a 200 something year old vehicle would be nearly impossible for anyone without a lot of resources and technical expertise.
@@RainytheNB some of the older tanks like the M4 less so. they are build to last and what can brake is generally not completely irrepairable. the only issue is if the tank gets into combat repeatedly, it will eventually just no longer be mechanically functional. parts like turret rotation, or the ball bearings of the wheels will eventually fail, and are unlike the tracks much harder to bullshit your way around. another issue i see is fuel consumption. in tanks you dont ask how many miles to the gallon, you ask how many gallons to the mile (joke). in a post nuclear war scenario with fuel beeing a scarce comodity already prewar, a diesel or other combustion fuel powered vehilce of that scale may be not the best choice
The Sherman, combined with America's use of the M1 Garand, added on with the F-80 Thunderchief, suggest that after WW2 America saught to improve their equipment the nuclear way. The Sherman was the first mass produced modular tank which could, and did, have everything changed about it during the war and with immense amounts of growth for improvement, retrofits and even reusing of older equipment, all by design. Slamming a nuclear engine in it and probably even going so far to keep them in production would be a very Fallout thing to do. The M1 rifles were in service till a bit before the great war according to new Vegas and the F-80 was America's first proper fighter jet. Both of which and a little bit of reformer logic are basically perfect for Fallout.
In my opnion the tank in Fallout 4 is probably inspired by the M26 Pershing medium tank ( I know it was classifies as a heavy tank during WW II but post war was reclassified as a medium)/ M46 Patton MBT the turret/hull design has similar elements to the fallout 4 tank and the duel cannon appears to be a futuristic version of the 90 mm M3 gun which was the main gun of the M26/M46
It’s actually a modified Persian built on a Persian tanks chassis and sense reactor tech is more advanced in fallout then our world the military needed to do a diy job on an old Persian tank chassis add new tracks a new gun system and bang a tank I mean if you got a rusty Persian tank body reuse reduce and recycle every day if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
Adding on to what I said last year, the BoS in Tactics had humvees, APCs, and Sherman tanks. I'd say the only reason why there's no vehicles in Fo4 is because of engine limitations/developer incompetence.
It is worth noting that in California there is a massive tank museum which keeps a lot of old vehicles from a number of countries, and it's far enough away from any military base or population center that it wouldn't have been nuked. We can assume that a faction like the Gun Runners or BoS would make finding this museum a top priority, and many of the vehicles that you would see still usable after all that time would be the mechanically simplest among them, such as the M4 Sherman.
Fallout 4's "APC" strikes me more as a rapid support infantry fighting vehicle with an optional troop carrying component, akin to a BMP-3 in terms of design philosophy. Looks wise, it obviously draws parallels to wheeled APC and IFV designs like the Stryker, BTR series and the MOWAG Piranha.
It's an IFV. APCs aren't that heavily armed and can carry more people. The difference between the two is that APCs are simply taxis, meant to take troops to a battlefield and bug out. Their armament is much more limited and they have armor, but not a lot. IFVs are meant as combat support vehicles. They carry fewer troops, but are also more heavily armed and armored, staying with the troops to provide supporting fire. They're kinda like an in-between of Tanks, and APCs.
Honestly I doubt it would be safe to drive any of the tanks and stuff of Fallout because this is fall out there's probably suits of power armor that slowly Leach away your soul or some s***
Nice to see a Schwimmwagen in the Fallout Universe, but weird to think that the US would use the Kübelwagen over their own Jeep platform, just logistically speaking today there are much more Jeeps then Kübelwagen and even fewer Schwimmwagen
There are a lot of interesting inclusions or inspirations directly from World War 2 era Germany in the games. Fallout tactics had a particular affinity for World War 2 era stuff.
@@tino897 yep im with you.... at least fallout its more 50s kind rather than only 50,s and nothing more... i mean, in the fo 1 and 2 you have 90,s guns like fn 2000 (or something close).... And well the lines of the humvee are a bit rounded like the ww2 jeep..... so...... But yes im with you about why a humvee.
Fallout IS NOT 1950S tech It's about how people from the 50s imagine the future, not futuristic 1950s, bethesda is just awful at designing fallout stuff, interplay had a much much better design language for their fallout games, the funniest shit is when people think that 1960s or 1980s tech is impossible to achieve in fallout, tell me how a jeep with a body on frame construction with leaf springs and a pushrod V8 is Uber advanced technology that makes is impossible to be made in the fallout universe, it's just bethesda lacking creativity to make new technologies and just makes generic futuristics designs because they lack creativity
You know it actually makes sense that the US Military would focus on heavy tanks designed to maximize firepower. The role of MBTs role was filled by robots and later on Power Armor.
That's actually a really cool theory and makes sense, given how the T-60 loading screen in fallout 4 implies that T-60 national guard soldiers were doing riot control in Boston
I think that just because many vehicles looked the same, doesn't mean they weren't newer versions of older designs, incorporating newer tech. So much of the 50's aesthetic is seen elsewhere, it kinda makes sense that a lot of the military gear would also still look the same, even if it has a different function entirely
The dual cannon feature is also used in the AMOS self propelled mortar system which features two 120mm heavy mortars which is currently in use by Finland and Sweden. The Australian WW2 cruiser tank with the double battled gun was used as a test bed in place of a larger gun which was not yet available, the idea was that the two guns fired simultaneously would simulate the same amount of recoil as the larger gun thus proving the turret was up to scratch
Forgot about the interceptor from fallout 2, based on Mad max. But everything else you said was really compelling, I've wondered a lot about some of the vehicles inspirations to the game thank you!
The Sherman isn't the most unreasonable tank to appear in fallout. Sure it's ancient, but they were reliable, and easy to build and maintain. I could see the BOS maybe having access to plans of a sherman from some museum archive, and a small vehicle factory, maybe a tractor or construction machinery plant. The simplicity of the sherman's design means it wouldn't be implausible that a prewar vehicle factory could be converted into a small tank asembly line. Hell a lot of shermans WERE built in converted car plants irl. It'd be a lot easier than trying to build a nuclear powered twin gunned battletank.
The small forward guns on the Fallout 4 APC would probably be smoke and fragmentation grenade launchers. A lot of apc and tanks have smoke launchers to provide cover. The main gun was probably like the small howitzer on some panzer 3 variants meant for low velocity high explosive for infantry and demolition of structures, not for fighting tanks or vehicles.
I think the M4 Shermans and other older vehicles make sense as the fallout timeline diverged around the time of WWII and the culture we see around us in the pre-war scenes of Fo4 is that of 1950’s America- a time where these vehicles were still in use.
Question is whether they are WW2 era Sherman’s or newer ones that stayed in production past WW2. By the time of the Great War WW2 era Sherman’s would’ve been around 130 years old which is only 20 years off the difference between our time and the American Civil War.
@@Rad_King They are most likely recovered ones from the many us desert graveyards the miltary uses. which would somewhat peserve them. plus the big differnce between the sherman and tiger is just scale of # the amount of shermans produced is insane so they wouldnt have to find that many to repair a single one.
@@Rad_King if you look at the Sherman itself, it has the characteristics of the M4A2(75) which was produced mid-war. 7053 M4A2(75) Sherman's were produced and since the Sherman was one of the most reliable and easily repaired tank of WW2 it's possible that many could survive in museums and graveyards.
Late to this party, I know but just wanted to say how much I appreciate these vids. Also the hose on the tactics bos humvee goes to some large barrels at the back. I believe they are possible reserve fuel containers for longer distance travel and recon.
I think I know why all the old vehicles are still in service all the new stuff was in Anchorage Alaska and just Alaska so they had to pull all the old stuff out to use for repressing rebellions
1:15 that tank could have been using a mechanical loading system instead of having a person loading the tank by hand a machine would be doing all the work meaning that there would be less crew inside the tank and most of the time a tank that has a mechanical loading system loads faster than having a human pick up a shell and slide it into the cannon breech
Tactics holds up well even today. The pipe from the engine is an improved exhaust. The scouter is based off of the kubelwagen, but it could also be the later schwimmenwagen, I think the former because of how angular it is.
My head cannon for this is that the tanks in fallout 4 and similar wasteland areas like 76 - those tanks were looted by raiders and such for fusion cores and parts/materials, or not having the know-how to repair a tank even if they wanted too. I imagine the NCR and maybe even the Brotherhood might have a few working versions in reserve much like the Vertibird.
btw the AC3 Thunderbolt tank had 2 25pdr howitzers, not 18pdrs. Only other double gun tanks I know of were casemate designs, the German VT tank prototypes of the 1970s, and a ww2 russian design known as KV 7-2. In both cases the bulk of the twin gun setup was largely only made possible by the lack of a rotating turret.
The Maus (Pzf VII) was made to have 2 canons. A 128mm main canon and secondary 75mm canon. Both main battle tank canons in their own right for the period.
The excuse for humvees is the sure fckin amount of those thing that we've made I mean have you seen the stats on how many humvees the military has obtained
Fun fact about the Sherman is that it, like the soviet t34, is still being used in front line government militaries around the world. The Sherman is still popular in Central and South America and the T34 in Central Africa and parts of the Middle East. Some tanks are far more common than others and have space for sustainability packages...aka, upgrades. So in my opinion seeing the Sherman in fallout isn't that big of a shocker.
I think it's plausible that all these really old weapons and vehicles are just much easier and cheaper to restore and maintain than the complex, electronics-stuffed modern ones.
The Mammoth tank was in Red Alert 1. The Apocalypse tank was from Red Alert 2 and 3. The Mammoth inspired other RTS double-barreled tanks (this part can be debated) such as the Grizzly tank in Halo Wars 1 and 2.
the real life nuclear tank, was designed for combat in the middle of nowhere, namely Alaska and Canada’s norther territories. Watertight so bridges are not needed, nuclear power to last when your eons from the nearest military base where a gasoline or disel tank would need to refuel.
As for the base crawler, it does give me some vaguely ratte es que Vibes. The Ratte was a Nazi-German concept, and it was to be a hulking beast of a tank, big enough to have bathrooms. Normal tiger guns were mère secondaries- it’s primary cannons were straight up naval cannons. It had some anti air armraments, but it would need air support to not get deleted by enemy bombing. If it came to life it would be incredibly impractical, being limited by terrain and going at painfully slow speeds, and there’s the air thing again. A mobile base, although still impractical imo, is already a better idea- no way the ratte would be able to keep up with combat. Shame it never left the drawing board- I would have loved to see the look on hitler’s face when he sees his stupid shambling compensation donkey turn to shrapnel.
Almost all of the newer vehicles would probably found near the front lines, reserve units would have been issued older gear and are used in the rear ares, this includes Boston, plus after the great war museums and vehicle storage depots would have been scavenged resulting in many of these vehicles being returned to service. Older vehicles are usually less complicated mechanically so they are easier to repair and restore.
Could be that due to the resource crunch it made more sense to keep mass producing a fewer amount of models than to have a latest and greatest for a year or two.
Maaaan it would’ve been amazing if you sided with the brotherhood gave them a better foothold on the commonwealth, which meant they would find and fix these vehicles. Randomly seeing them driving around the wasteland and engaging with enemies.
I think the 1950’s ascetic carried over to military vehicles . After all how many years after the Great War did they stop having robots that looked like Robby the robot?
In halo wars the grizzly tank has a double barrel turret and has 4 independent tracks similar to this tank! Also in destroy all humans 2 they have double barrel tanks as well.
I mean it’s a game where humans are still able to survive after being hit with 100s of nukes, it’s not going to be completely realistic let alone practical but I feel like they were made to look futuristic and bad ass as a way to make the Chinese feel like they were outgunned or had no chance of winning
@@snanoopis6584 If it was realistic, the US government and military would still be around (not just the Enclave) and the country would be basically back to normal by the time of Fallout 3. Radiation from a nuke dies down very quickly. Just look at how Hiroshima and Nagasaki are doing right now.
i have a theory on this tank with two guns. it has an autoloader and while they may be the same size, they are different calibers. one is good for anti-tank rounds such as HESH and HEAT and ATAP, and the other being HE, white phosphorous, and other antipersonel rounds. the reason it has 4 sets of tracks is so that way it can go sideways while firing directly behind or ahead or in any direction while the tank moves in a different direction and to be firing two different kinds of ammunition from only one vehicle. since we have much smaller power source in the tank, we are able to carry more rounds. and since we have an auto-loader and the tech from the "computers" inside the power armour and your pipboy, we have the commander scouting out enemies and targeting them, and while we could also have him aim and fire the guns, we'll put a gunner in there to make things simpler. we have a gunner who's using an electromechanical sytem to rotate the turret aided by the "computer", we have the barrels tilting up and down automatically and then you set it on the final pinpoint target and fire while we have the driver who is set up to go forwards and backwards and co driver who is set up to drive left and right so they both work together to drive it. mind you, this is for ease, they dont need to be doing that, cause either one can do it all, this just makes it easier as they dont have to focus on as much at once. so you have 4 people in total. lets look at a tank that also has two cannons(this is from ww1) the British Mk V tank. it Uses 8 people. 6 gunners, a commander, and ONE driver. so it has machine guns(this has no machine guns so minus two gunners right there, then 2 gunners per gun. that's 3 gunners we dont need. then it only has one driver. that means no backup driver so if the driver gets knocked out, your screwed. our tank has one gunner, a commander who can take over the gunner's job and still do his own easily, a driver and a backup driver who in theory could also be trained in gunnery to take over the gunners job. so we have a 4 man tank with redundency and can do more than a standard tank.
Actually I would say the tank is closer to either the M48 Patton or the T29 tank with twin 105mm guns. The 'APC' is a wheeled IFV ( they are becoming more popular in modern militaries), I would say half LAV-25 and half Stryker. Lastly, the humvee is still in production and in use but was replaced by the Oshkosh JLTV for combat roles.
Got to correct you on the first one: the turret shape is quite similar to the Pershing and other US tanks around that time, right after WW2. Because of this, it sort or seems like a fallout version of a T82
That Australian tank with twin cannon was actually just to test how the tank could handle recoil and iirc, they did not use 18pdr (did you mean 17pdr?) but the 25pdr
FYI The tank's real world inspiration appears to be the M26 Pershing and/or M46 Patton. You can tell due to the shape of the turret, engine deck, rear of the vehicle, and other minor bits.
If you compare a car from today and a car from 1990, you will see that the older car is way easier to fix and maintain (less electronics, less complicated parts, etc.). Maybe the vehicles in Fallouts 2077 are so complicated that the average wasteland mechanic cant repair hem so they have to use older vehicles.
I like to think all the super outdated old military vehicles arent the old designs on the inside, but same on the outside for cohesion. For a military used to clearly defined good guy and bad guy armanents, that possibly didnt really have to deal with vietnam or any middle eastern wars due to the timeline divergence
Reposting part of a reply i made to another comment: The Sherman was the first mass produced modular tank which could, and did, have everything changed about it during the war and with immense amounts of growth for improvement, retrofits and even reusing of older equipment, all by design. Slamming a nuclear engine in it and probably even going so far to keep them in production would be a very Fallout thing to do. The Shermans in production by the end of the war were mostly M4A3s and M4A2s with 76mm(w) HVSS with some M4A4's with 75mm for the British. I can certainly see nuclear powered M4A7s 76mm(w) HVSS with some of the improvements that the end of the war didn't bring to the Sherman like the 2 plane stabiliser.
The Wheeled Vehicle is close to the M1126 Stryker. It has a 120mm Cannon on top with high rotational mobility.. just dont shoot at 90°. If the vehicle is relatively empty it can roll itself onto its side
They were probably museum or boneyard vehicles that were pressed into service for crowd control and to deal with civil disorder. One of the problems with Fallout games is that steel would've been recycled long before the events of the games. This would be especially true for alloys like those used on tanks which would be better for making tools.
i think that there were other newer vehicles but many of them needed a lot of repare and given how the wastland is where a lot of the tech needed to fix them is old rusty and heavly damaged i think that the older ones were used because of simplicity and availabuility and how easy they were to use and fix up like the sherman theres a lot of them and the blueprints may have survived and some may have survived also so they had this tank that they could reproduce and manufacture that was easy to fix.
I think that’s a valid argument. However we do see the brotherhood and enclave producing vertibirds so I almost wonder if it’s not so much a matter of ability and more a matter of preference.
I think why most factions don't use vehicles is either limitation of the game such as Fallout New Vegas or an in lower region like the capital Wasteland Brotherhood and the Brotherhood and Fallout 4 not using ground Vehicles due to well limitations of the DC metro area and in Fallout 4's cases them coming in by Airship carrying Liberty Prime somehow so it may have been more effective to carry more power armor than Vehicles due to power armor being able to do what they mostly wanted and to transfer people around the vertibird does the job pretty well
2:12 Actually, that was purely a testing dummy. See, the Australians were developing the Australian Cruiser IV and needed to know whether the III chassis could handle the 17-pounder AT gun's recoil. So, they took the armament of the III, their custom-designed 25-pounder Gun-Howitzer, and doubled it up on the test chassis. The test was successful, but the entire AC series was canceled shortly after the IV prototype was completed when the American logistics chain was able to reach Australia, guaranteeing a steady supply of tanks.
And the four tracked tank must be inspired by a *AE phase 1 tank project* a America four tracked tank project which in term was believed to be concepted as a NUCLEAR PROTECTED TANK
Considering the relatively large scale automation in fallout, especially military I think the double barreled tanks are loaded by fast acting automated means.
For those that have not tried their hand at fallout tactics, there's actually a lot of drivable vehicles. And for those that have not tried their hand at fallout tactics, there's actually a lot of drivable vehicles in that game.
Saying so nice you said it twice.
Glad someone caught that
Always think I'm having a stroke when a UA-camr repeats themselves.
For those that have not tried their hand at fallout tactics there’s actually a lot of drivable vehicles.
For those that have not tried their hand at fallout tactics there’s actually a lot of drivable vehicles.
So let me understand:
The Institute can crank out androids, the BoS can build airships, retrofit Vertibirds, and restore Liberty Prime from scratch, and maintain lots of power armor,
*Yet we have all these powerful vehicles sitting around rusting...*
Eh, bethesda never thought too far. They always give something but that something isn't never really perfect.
@@feralhawg867 I can see that aspect as well, but even if they were to add drivable vehicles, I doubt they would really hit it strong, simply because they haven't been popular as of late for many reasons.
Tactics isn't considered cannon so it is unlikely that they have cars/tanks and would use pa as an alternative but they should be able to get some of the older cars working I think there are only 2 or 3 cannon working cars
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a tank has many cons than pros like: the tank breaks down a lot since there are far more moving parts than a vertibird that can break down, takes too much resources like metal and even rare metals, can get stuck easily by a ditch, way too heavy that it can probably get stuck on a swamp or ancient infrastructure like bridges can collapse from its immense weight, there's a lot of impassable terrain if it goes off road the chances of the tank getting stuck is high and its both slow and drains a ton of energy similar to a V8 6.2 liter engine
The Sherman in Fallout: Tactics was also probably an easy choice because they can be found in museums (and the BOS has no qualms about raiding a museum for technology they can use and frankly in the wastes a tank is a game-changer as most people can't even take down someone in combat armor - so a tank, even one tank, is a force multiplier! The only thing better is a vertibird!)
I could see some raiders fixing it just enough to move, then they'd have their own rolling bunker. They wouldn't even need to fix the cannon, the heavy machineguns would shred on their own.
Also, the cost and maintenance of running a tank is so high only a force like the bos could. Tanks have mpg something like 50x worse than many cars, would collapse things like crumbling pre-war roads and bridges, and finding spare parts like tracks for a 200 something year old vehicle would be nearly impossible for anyone without a lot of resources and technical expertise.
@@RainytheNB some of the older tanks like the M4 less so. they are build to last and what can brake is generally not completely irrepairable. the only issue is if the tank gets into combat repeatedly, it will eventually just no longer be mechanically functional. parts like turret rotation, or the ball bearings of the wheels will eventually fail, and are unlike the tracks much harder to bullshit your way around. another issue i see is fuel consumption. in tanks you dont ask how many miles to the gallon, you ask how many gallons to the mile (joke). in a post nuclear war scenario with fuel beeing a scarce comodity already prewar, a diesel or other combustion fuel powered vehilce of that scale may be not the best choice
The Sherman, combined with America's use of the M1 Garand, added on with the F-80 Thunderchief, suggest that after WW2 America saught to improve their equipment the nuclear way.
The Sherman was the first mass produced modular tank which could, and did, have everything changed about it during the war and with immense amounts of growth for improvement, retrofits and even reusing of older equipment, all by design. Slamming a nuclear engine in it and probably even going so far to keep them in production would be a very Fallout thing to do.
The M1 rifles were in service till a bit before the great war according to new Vegas and the F-80 was America's first proper fighter jet.
Both of which and a little bit of reformer logic are basically perfect for Fallout.
@@gyneve you could kill someone with just the tank and no guns crunch
In my opnion the tank in Fallout 4 is probably inspired by the M26 Pershing medium tank ( I know it was classifies as a heavy tank during WW II but post war was reclassified as a medium)/ M46 Patton MBT the turret/hull design has similar elements to the fallout 4 tank and the duel cannon appears to be a futuristic version of the 90 mm M3 gun which was the main gun of the M26/M46
The M46 Patton was a medium tank.
Super Pershing mirrored along the middle
I mean, it could also be inspired by the Apocolypse/Mammoth/Overlord tanks from the C&C series
@WASDLeftClick Could further minimize the problems of having 2 main guns by making them either plasma or laser cannons
It’s actually a modified Persian built on a Persian tanks chassis and sense reactor tech is more advanced in fallout then our world the military needed to do a diy job on an old Persian tank chassis add new tracks a new gun system and bang a tank I mean if you got a rusty Persian tank body reuse reduce and recycle every day if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
If only the Brotherhood of Steel could get some of those vehicles working like they did with their Vertibirds
I actually expected them to do it when they revealed Liberty Prime...drivable tanks....*sigh*
They did.. in the lore.
Adding on to what I said last year, the BoS in Tactics had humvees, APCs, and Sherman tanks. I'd say the only reason why there's no vehicles in Fo4 is because of engine limitations/developer incompetence.
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Is everyone forgetting the missile carrier shown at the end of the fallout 4 cinematic?
M270 Mutiple Launch Rocket System just modified to have 2 larger missiles
It is worth noting that in California there is a massive tank museum which keeps a lot of old vehicles from a number of countries, and it's far enough away from any military base or population center that it wouldn't have been nuked.
We can assume that a faction like the Gun Runners or BoS would make finding this museum a top priority, and many of the vehicles that you would see still usable after all that time would be the mechanically simplest among them, such as the M4 Sherman.
And, you know.. the NCR. I’d actually assume that’s where the NCR got their armored vehicles from in New Vegas.
FYI that museum has been gone for nearly a decade
The Patton museum?
It would be cool to see NCR Sherman's and Chaffees rolling across the desert.
Fallout 4's "APC" strikes me more as a rapid support infantry fighting vehicle with an optional troop carrying component, akin to a BMP-3 in terms of design philosophy. Looks wise, it obviously draws parallels to wheeled APC and IFV designs like the Stryker, BTR series and the MOWAG Piranha.
It's an IFV. APCs aren't that heavily armed and can carry more people.
The difference between the two is that APCs are simply taxis, meant to take troops to a battlefield and bug out. Their armament is much more limited and they have armor, but not a lot.
IFVs are meant as combat support vehicles. They carry fewer troops, but are also more heavily armed and armored, staying with the troops to provide supporting fire. They're kinda like an in-between of Tanks, and APCs.
Honestly I doubt it would be safe to drive any of the tanks and stuff of Fallout because this is fall out there's probably suits of power armor that slowly Leach away your soul or some s***
Nice to see a Schwimmwagen in the Fallout Universe, but weird to think that the US would use the Kübelwagen over their own Jeep platform, just logistically speaking today there are much more Jeeps then Kübelwagen and even fewer Schwimmwagen
There are a lot of interesting inclusions or inspirations directly from World War 2 era Germany in the games. Fallout tactics had a particular affinity for World War 2 era stuff.
I adore Schwimmwägen.
the jeeps you see on the roads of Appalachia are nearly identical to WWII era US military jeeps.
The assault rifle from Fallout 3 was German.
@@jacehackworth6413 In lore it isn’t, but yes the real world one is based on the G3, HK55, and HK33
The hose on the humvee was part of a snorkel kit. This is why it came out of the engine compartment.
Since fallout tech is near 50s tech you could find Sherman's,halftracks,Pershing and maybe some Patton variants
True that. I also thought this was the idea. But why a humvee ? Its a late 70s early 80s design.
@@tino897 yep im with you.... at least fallout its more 50s kind rather than only 50,s and nothing more... i mean, in the fo 1 and 2 you have 90,s guns like fn 2000 (or something close)....
And well the lines of the humvee are a bit rounded like the ww2 jeep..... so......
But yes im with you about why a humvee.
Fallout IS NOT 1950S tech
It's about how people from the 50s imagine the future, not futuristic 1950s, bethesda is just awful at designing fallout stuff, interplay had a much much better design language for their fallout games, the funniest shit is when people think that 1960s or 1980s tech is impossible to achieve in fallout, tell me how a jeep with a body on frame construction with leaf springs and a pushrod V8 is Uber advanced technology that makes is impossible to be made in the fallout universe, it's just bethesda lacking creativity to make new technologies and just makes generic futuristics designs because they lack creativity
@@HueWave So much this
@Joshua Tree it diverts at the invention of the transistor.
You could have nuclear tanks firing lasers and it would be faithful
You know it actually makes sense that the US Military would focus on heavy tanks designed to maximize firepower.
The role of MBTs role was filled by robots and later on Power Armor.
I think I understand why the APC is so big compare to real life. Because they were design to also transport power armored soldier.
That's actually a really cool theory and makes sense, given how the T-60 loading screen in fallout 4 implies that T-60 national guard soldiers were doing riot control in Boston
Finally someone that knows the difference between a tank and a artillery piece
I thought the difference was one is stationary basically on the other is a vehicle
I think that just because many vehicles looked the same, doesn't mean they weren't newer versions of older designs, incorporating newer tech. So much of the 50's aesthetic is seen elsewhere, it kinda makes sense that a lot of the military gear would also still look the same, even if it has a different function entirely
This channel has grown so much, glad to see he is getting better at his craft.
It's more likely that some of these older vehicles probably we're museum prices that were repurposed.
Theres been lots of double barrel cannons on tank, including the japanese during ww2 the Germans with 4 cannons and the ontos which had 6 cannons
Thedevildogdj UNTR There were very little ontos created and used, they also weren't cannons they were recoiless rifles
Sounds like you're talking about anti-aircraft conversions, save the M50 Ontos
Ontos is a tank destroyer not a tank know the difference
@@lemmy8947 the mouse had a 128 mm and a 75mm the 75mm the 75 mm was on the sherman if it says anything
@@davidh5858 the 75mm was from the panzer 4, the Sherman had a different short barrell 75
Tank design probably stagnated due to the advent of power armour as well
The dual cannon feature is also used in the AMOS self propelled mortar system which features two 120mm heavy mortars which is currently in use by Finland and Sweden. The Australian WW2 cruiser tank with the double battled gun was used as a test bed in place of a larger gun which was not yet available, the idea was that the two guns fired simultaneously would simulate the same amount of recoil as the larger gun thus proving the turret was up to scratch
Forgot about the interceptor from fallout 2, based on Mad max. But everything else you said was really compelling, I've wondered a lot about some of the vehicles inspirations to the game thank you!
The Sherman isn't the most unreasonable tank to appear in fallout. Sure it's ancient, but they were reliable, and easy to build and maintain. I could see the BOS maybe having access to plans of a sherman from some museum archive, and a small vehicle factory, maybe a tractor or construction machinery plant. The simplicity of the sherman's design means it wouldn't be implausible that a prewar vehicle factory could be converted into a small tank asembly line. Hell a lot of shermans WERE built in converted car plants irl. It'd be a lot easier than trying to build a nuclear powered twin gunned battletank.
The tank was probably an upgraded version of the Pershing and had a little bit of Patton designs on it
0:22 not to be pedantic but you've left a second take in here
The small forward guns on the Fallout 4 APC would probably be smoke and fragmentation grenade launchers. A lot of apc and tanks have smoke launchers to provide cover. The main gun was probably like the small howitzer on some panzer 3 variants meant for low velocity high explosive for infantry and demolition of structures, not for fighting tanks or vehicles.
I think the M4 Shermans and other older vehicles make sense as the fallout timeline diverged around the time of WWII and the culture we see around us in the pre-war scenes of Fo4 is that of 1950’s America- a time where these vehicles were still in use.
Question is whether they are WW2 era Sherman’s or newer ones that stayed in production past WW2. By the time of the Great War WW2 era Sherman’s would’ve been around 130 years old which is only 20 years off the difference between our time and the American Civil War.
@@Rad_King They are most likely recovered ones from the many us desert graveyards the miltary uses. which would somewhat peserve them. plus the big differnce between the sherman and tiger is just scale of # the amount of shermans produced is insane so they wouldnt have to find that many to repair a single one.
@@Rad_King if you look at the Sherman itself, it has the characteristics of the M4A2(75) which was produced mid-war. 7053 M4A2(75) Sherman's were produced and since the Sherman was one of the most reliable and easily repaired tank of WW2 it's possible that many could survive in museums and graveyards.
The first tank actually made me think of the tanks the Terran republic uses in planetside 1 & 2
Late to this party, I know but just wanted to say how much I appreciate these vids. Also the hose on the tactics bos humvee goes to some large barrels at the back. I believe they are possible reserve fuel containers for longer distance travel and recon.
I think I know why all the old vehicles are still in service all the new stuff was in Anchorage Alaska and just Alaska so they had to pull all the old stuff out to use for repressing rebellions
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Hey thanks, I’m just glad you enjoy them!
Love the radiation noise at the start glad i came across your vids I love indeth lore
1:15 that tank could have been using a mechanical loading system instead of having a person loading the tank by hand a machine would be doing all the work meaning that there would be less crew inside the tank and most of the time a tank that has a mechanical loading system loads faster than having a human pick up a shell and slide it into the cannon breech
0:16 THAT LOOKS LIKE 1 HP, your name lives up as the truth.
Looks like you know a ton about what you’re talking about, I subscribed
Tactics holds up well even today. The pipe from the engine is an improved exhaust. The scouter is based off of the kubelwagen, but it could also be the later schwimmenwagen, I think the former because of how angular it is.
You'd think a tank would work
If a 200 year old elevator can work... why not a tank!?
A 200 year old set of armor still works too
A fucking 200 year old light bulb for fucks sake
I'd say yes considering you can get a car to work in 2.
My head cannon for this is that the tanks in fallout 4 and similar wasteland areas like 76 - those tanks were looted by raiders and such for fusion cores and parts/materials, or not having the know-how to repair a tank even if they wanted too. I imagine the NCR and maybe even the Brotherhood might have a few working versions in reserve much like the Vertibird.
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btw the AC3 Thunderbolt tank had 2 25pdr howitzers, not 18pdrs. Only other double gun tanks I know of were casemate designs, the German VT tank prototypes of the 1970s, and a ww2 russian design known as KV 7-2. In both cases the bulk of the twin gun setup was largely only made possible by the lack of a rotating turret.
The Maus (Pzf VII) was made to have 2 canons. A 128mm main canon and secondary 75mm canon. Both main battle tank canons in their own right for the period.
Technically the 75mm used on the Maus was not a main battle tank cannon. It was the KwK 37, which was the infantry support version.
The excuse for humvees is the sure fckin amount of those thing that we've made I mean have you seen the stats on how many humvees the military has obtained
Recently found what looks like mills in fallout 4 n it made me wonder what the manufacturing tools of fallout might be like
Fun fact about the Sherman is that it, like the soviet t34, is still being used in front line government militaries around the world. The Sherman is still popular in Central and South America and the T34 in Central Africa and parts of the Middle East. Some tanks are far more common than others and have space for sustainability packages...aka, upgrades. So in my opinion seeing the Sherman in fallout isn't that big of a shocker.
No it’s not. The last nation to use them, Paraguay iirc, retired them a couple of years ago.
I think it's plausible that all these really old weapons and vehicles are just much easier and cheaper to restore and maintain than the complex, electronics-stuffed modern ones.
So the Chrysler tanks is more fun with it being designed to be near nuclear blasts with cameras for viewports to prevent blindness to a blast.
The up armoured humvees tube running from the front to the back is an exhaust snorkel.
The Mammoth tank was in Red Alert 1. The Apocalypse tank was from Red Alert 2 and 3. The Mammoth inspired other RTS double-barreled tanks (this part can be debated) such as the Grizzly tank in Halo Wars 1 and 2.
And Marv in Tiberium Wars
the real life nuclear tank, was designed for combat in the middle of nowhere, namely Alaska and Canada’s norther territories. Watertight so bridges are not needed, nuclear power to last when your eons from the nearest military base where a gasoline or disel tank would need to refuel.
As for the base crawler, it does give me some vaguely ratte es que Vibes. The Ratte was a Nazi-German concept, and it was to be a hulking beast of a tank, big enough to have bathrooms. Normal tiger guns were mère secondaries- it’s primary cannons were straight up naval cannons. It had some anti air armraments, but it would need air support to not get deleted by enemy bombing. If it came to life it would be incredibly impractical, being limited by terrain and going at painfully slow speeds, and there’s the air thing again. A mobile base, although still impractical imo, is already a better idea- no way the ratte would be able to keep up with combat. Shame it never left the drawing board- I would have loved to see the look on hitler’s face when he sees his stupid shambling compensation donkey turn to shrapnel.
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Wow, he said that twice.
Almost all of the newer vehicles would probably found near the front lines, reserve units would have been issued older gear and are used in the rear ares, this includes Boston, plus after the great war museums and vehicle storage depots would have been scavenged resulting in many of these vehicles being returned to service. Older vehicles are usually less complicated mechanically so they are easier to repair and restore.
Could be that due to the resource crunch it made more sense to keep mass producing a fewer amount of models than to have a latest and greatest for a year or two.
Unpopular opinion if it's such a huge vehicle it cannot move on its own power then it's not a vehicle that's a base with wheels
the duel cannons on the first tank in the vid kind of remind me of the type of guns you'd see on a StarWars space ship
Maaaan it would’ve been amazing if you sided with the brotherhood gave them a better foothold on the commonwealth, which meant they would find and fix these vehicles. Randomly seeing them driving around the wasteland and engaging with enemies.
I think the 1950’s ascetic carried over to military vehicles . After all how many years after the Great War did they stop having robots that looked like Robby the robot?
If Fallout it is stated that USA never really culturally progressed out of the 1950’s.
The apc probably has a 20mm chain gun on the front and either a 37mm or 75mm top gun if your going by size
In halo wars the grizzly tank has a double barrel turret and has 4 independent tracks similar to this tank! Also in destroy all humans 2 they have double barrel tanks as well.
Marv in Tiberium wars too
Probably based off the Mammoth tank from C&C
The armored vehicles in Fallout are very impractical.
Like the whole game
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I mean it’s a game where humans are still able to survive after being hit with 100s of nukes, it’s not going to be completely realistic let alone practical but I feel like they were made to look futuristic and bad ass as a way to make the Chinese feel like they were outgunned or had no chance of winning
@@snanoopis6584 If it was realistic, the US government and military would still be around (not just the Enclave) and the country would be basically back to normal by the time of Fallout 3. Radiation from a nuke dies down very quickly. Just look at how Hiroshima and Nagasaki are doing right now.
i have a theory on this tank with two guns. it has an autoloader and while they may be the same size, they are different calibers. one is good for anti-tank rounds such as HESH and HEAT and ATAP, and the other being HE, white phosphorous, and other antipersonel rounds. the reason it has 4 sets of tracks is so that way it can go sideways while firing directly behind or ahead or in any direction while the tank moves in a different direction and to be firing two different kinds of ammunition from only one vehicle. since we have much smaller power source in the tank, we are able to carry more rounds. and since we have an auto-loader and the tech from the "computers" inside the power armour and your pipboy, we have the commander scouting out enemies and targeting them, and while we could also have him aim and fire the guns, we'll put a gunner in there to make things simpler. we have a gunner who's using an electromechanical sytem to rotate the turret aided by the "computer", we have the barrels tilting up and down automatically and then you set it on the final pinpoint target and fire while we have the driver who is set up to go forwards and backwards and co driver who is set up to drive left and right so they both work together to drive it. mind you, this is for ease, they dont need to be doing that, cause either one can do it all, this just makes it easier as they dont have to focus on as much at once. so you have 4 people in total. lets look at a tank that also has two cannons(this is from ww1) the British Mk V tank. it Uses 8 people. 6 gunners, a commander, and ONE driver. so it has machine guns(this has no machine guns so minus two gunners right there, then 2 gunners per gun. that's 3 gunners we dont need. then it only has one driver. that means no backup driver so if the driver gets knocked out, your screwed. our tank has one gunner, a commander who can take over the gunner's job and still do his own easily, a driver and a backup driver who in theory could also be trained in gunnery to take over the gunners job. so we have a 4 man tank with redundency and can do more than a standard tank.
Another similar tank design would be the Grizzlies from Halo Wars featuring 4 tank treads and dual cannons
And Marv from Tiberium Wars
The crusier mark 3 you mentioned at the start is actually a model of the sentinel tank with the machine gun in the front removed
I like RadKing's early content now, he shows the actual game footage of the subject.
I think the Brotherhood of steel got the older vehicles such as the upgraded Sherman by scavenging war museums
Actually I would say the tank is closer to either the M48 Patton or the T29 tank with twin 105mm guns. The 'APC' is a wheeled IFV ( they are becoming more popular in modern militaries), I would say half LAV-25 and half Stryker. Lastly, the humvee is still in production and in use but was replaced by the Oshkosh JLTV for combat roles.
pretty cool video man
The unnamed tank in the beginning with a duel main cannon and double track configuration is CLEARLY fallout's version of halo's M850 Grizzly.
Got to correct you on the first one: the turret shape is quite similar to the Pershing and other US tanks around that time, right after WW2. Because of this, it sort or seems like a fallout version of a T82
That hose Acts as somewhat of an emulsifier it feeds exhaust back into the engine allowing the engine to run off of any unburnt fuel in the exhaust
That Australian tank with twin cannon was actually just to test how the tank could handle recoil
and iirc, they did not use 18pdr (did you mean 17pdr?) but the 25pdr
the dual main cannon tank reminds me of the mammoth tanks from command and conquer and i love it
Let's record the tank at night! Amazing idea
You also forgot about the fact the first tank clearly resembles a T 32 with the turret design and parts of the hull
FYI The tank's real world inspiration appears to be the M26 Pershing and/or M46 Patton. You can tell due to the shape of the turret, engine deck, rear of the vehicle, and other minor bits.
C&C reference? Yes please.
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There's also the Overlord tank in C&C Generals. Dual barrel tank with segmented tracks.
1:25 there also exist the AMOS Sweden mortar system that also has double barrell
@Comrade Josif I don't think that it counts because the 75mm was technically a like the 20mm autocannon of the AMX-30
Let's have a look at the tank in the pitch black darkness shall we? Brilliant.
If you compare a car from today and a car from 1990, you will see that the older car is way easier to fix and maintain (less electronics, less complicated parts, etc.). Maybe the vehicles in Fallouts 2077 are so complicated that the average wasteland mechanic cant repair hem so they have to use older vehicles.
I like to think all the super outdated old military vehicles arent the old designs on the inside, but same on the outside for cohesion. For a military used to clearly defined good guy and bad guy armanents, that possibly didnt really have to deal with vietnam or any middle eastern wars due to the timeline divergence
Reposting part of a reply i made to another comment:
The Sherman was the first mass produced modular tank which could, and did, have everything changed about it during the war and with immense amounts of growth for improvement, retrofits and even reusing of older equipment, all by design. Slamming a nuclear engine in it and probably even going so far to keep them in production would be a very Fallout thing to do.
The Shermans in production by the end of the war were mostly M4A3s and M4A2s with 76mm(w) HVSS with some M4A4's with 75mm for the British. I can certainly see nuclear powered M4A7s 76mm(w) HVSS with some of the improvements that the end of the war didn't bring to the Sherman like the 2 plane stabiliser.
The Wheeled Vehicle is close to the M1126 Stryker. It has a 120mm Cannon on top with high rotational mobility.. just dont shoot at 90°. If the vehicle is relatively empty it can roll itself onto its side
They were probably museum or boneyard vehicles that were pressed into service for crowd control and to deal with civil disorder. One of the problems with Fallout games is that steel would've been recycled long before the events of the games. This would be especially true for alloys like those used on tanks which would be better for making tools.
i think that there were other newer vehicles but many of them needed a lot of repare and given how the wastland is where a lot of the tech needed to fix them is old rusty and heavly damaged i think that the older ones were used because of simplicity and availabuility and how easy they were to use and fix up like the sherman theres a lot of them and the blueprints may have survived and some may have survived also so they had this tank that they could reproduce and manufacture that was easy to fix.
I think that’s a valid argument. However we do see the brotherhood and enclave producing vertibirds so I almost wonder if it’s not so much a matter of ability and more a matter of preference.
wow that APC's main gun tho...what could it be? Sheridan 152 mil? and that side gun looks a bit like M2 75mm. idk just guessing from the shape.
Like a stubby 75mm
I think the main gun in the APC is as strong as a normal Sherman’s barrel
@@rubenlopez3364 do you mean: a giant flashbang?
The American m3 lee tank has two main cannons and a few mqchineguns , it has one 75mm main gun and a 37mm gun mounted in the hull
I think why most factions don't use vehicles is either limitation of the game such as Fallout New Vegas or an in lower region like the capital Wasteland Brotherhood and the Brotherhood and Fallout 4 not using ground Vehicles due to well limitations of the DC metro area and in Fallout 4's cases them coming in by Airship carrying Liberty Prime somehow so it may have been more effective to carry more power armor than Vehicles due to power armor being able to do what they mostly wanted and to transfer people around the vertibird does the job pretty well
2:12
Actually, that was purely a testing dummy. See, the Australians were developing the Australian Cruiser IV and needed to know whether the III chassis could handle the 17-pounder AT gun's recoil. So, they took the armament of the III, their custom-designed 25-pounder Gun-Howitzer, and doubled it up on the test chassis. The test was successful, but the entire AC series was canceled shortly after the IV prototype was completed when the American logistics chain was able to reach Australia, guaranteeing a steady supply of tanks.
Reminds me way more of the Mammoth Tank from Red Alert than the Apocalypse Tank from RA2 tbh
The APCs seem a bit tall, but I'd say they're a pretty normal size compared to IRL APC/IFVs.
And the four tracked tank must be inspired by a *AE phase 1 tank project* a America four tracked tank project which in term was believed to be concepted as a NUCLEAR PROTECTED TANK
there are actually quite a few double barreled tanks. there is even a model of the m1 sherman that has two
Correction there's another double barreled tank it's the *ST-2 TANK PROJECT* It was a Soviet double barrel tank concept
The tank is a mix of the M47, ZSU-57-2, and elements of the M48 Patton.
Evidence being the overall shape, and features of both the ZSU and M48.
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It would be cool if you can drive tanks in the next fallout game
Considering the relatively large scale automation in fallout, especially military I think the double barreled tanks are loaded by fast acting automated means.