LAB RESULTS: Does Motor Oil NEED To Be Shaken BEFORE Use?
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- Опубліковано 2 бер 2024
- In a previous video, we tested some old oils, and we found separation in the bottom of the bottles. I was always taught to shake the bottle of motor oil before pouring it into the engine. I know shaking the bottles can't hurt, but does it actually help? Is oil like paint or peanut butter? Does shaking the bottles "fix" old oils?
We took samples of five different oils, both shaken and un-shaken and sent them to the lab to get the results and the answers. Three of those oils were "old" oils from that previous video about old oils - Here's the link to that video • EXPIRED: When Does New...
Here are some short cuts to the different segments of this video:
Sample preparation - 04:45
Chemical analysis - 15:54
Foam testing - 23:29
Here are the links to the products I used to do the tests.
Glass Beaker: amzn.to/3O3LYMJ
Oil Analysis: www.speediagnostix.com
For more about my Dad, check out this great video from @Stapleton42 • Lake Speed Shows Us Hi...
Who is the @themotoroilgeek ? I'm a Society of Tribologists and Lubrication Engineers Certified Lubrication Specialist and Oil Monitoring Analyst (I've maintained both of those for over a decade). I also worked for Joe Gibbs Racing for 12 years as their lubricant specialist. During that time, we worked with Wix Filters (one of our sponsors) to test and develop filters for our race engines. We also worked with Lubrizol and Chevron-Phillips Chemical to test and develop oils for our race cars. Following that, I was the head of R&D for Driven Racing Oil. During that time, I formulated and tested over 50 products. We also worked with Cummins, Comp Cams, Oak Ridge National Labs and General Motors on various R&D products. Those efforts are recorded in peer reviewed white papers published by SAE International and ACS Sustainable Chemistry journals. I also own and operate SPEEDiagnostix, which provides used oil analysis.
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My natural instinct when preparing to shake something that has “settled” is to turn the container upside down prior to shaking. How odd it was to see you shake it “right side up”.
Yeah, I turned the video off when he started doing that
It’s cool that you’re actually willing to share your knowledge of oil to the general public like this. Most people in your position would try to keep things a “race team secret”.
Thanks!
@@themotoroilgeek a BIG flaw in your test.. we'd expect to use the whole container for a change.. you just skimmed the top off.. shaken vs stirred.. I've always given bottles a shake old or new.. iny 50+ years working with engines .. so a 👎
Who says he doesn't have secrets?
He's zero BS too, nice guy.
@@Errol.C-nz
So make a video and prove him wrong. Otherwise keep your 50 years of lawnmower engine experience to yourself. 🙄
On the topic of old oil, in the '70s I went to Sears with my dad with our own container and you could buy bulk oil. If I recall their top of the line was called "Spectrum", cost about 30 cents a quart and really smelled bad. At the time I didn't know what the smell was until I became a hot rodder, bought my first Crane Cam and the pint bottle of oil additive they included had the same stink. It was the high pressure zinc etc additives!
Sulphur is the stinky additive.
Did it smell like armpit sweat? That's what the extreme pressure additives in hypoid gear oil smell like.
@@TyphoonVstromyup. Zinc is odourless.
not zinc , they use that in deodorants ...
@@christopherstaples6758 not deodorant.. antiperspirant
New oil from Pennzoil had additive fallout in bottom of container. Send pictures and emailed Shell. Their response was all new oil needs to be shaken heavily before used.
LOL
I've been shaking it upside down for 50 years, but They said the same, except basically turn it upside down and shake it well and disperse as much back into suspension as possible.
Did you ask them where it says so on their bottles? I doubt they have instructions.
'additive fallout ' The real test isn't just testing in a lab, it's how different are the two oils after about a week running in an engine? No matter how 'sparkly' the new oil seems, you can bet you'll have a much harder time telling them apart after a week or two, and for the next few months of use. The old oil being put through a sump pump correctly and the new oil doing the same and getting worked will probably put them on very similar paths.
If the old oil is old enough, you also have to check for additive changes over time and similar factors, not just general aging.
I had the same experience with several different new jugs of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, but I wasn't able to get it to fully remix by shaking it. To be fair, the last time I bought Pennzoil was in early 2022 and they may have improved their formula since then, but the fact that your video in 2010 and my last experience with Pennzoil in 2022 shows that this has been going on for 12+ years doesn't give me much hope that they fixed anything.
What about sending the sludge at the bottom of bottle off for testing? It would be neat to see what actually separated out of the oil. Does one additive separate more readily than others?
This is a great idea... 🎯
Might the settled material be dirt the refiner did not get out? Any way it would be interesting to know.
@@davidhair8295I don't think you get how refined these oils are. There is not dirt in there.
I would imagine each additive would have a different rate of falling out of suspension.
Years ago I worked for a fab shop that was heavily involved in various racing formats. I got hired around the time they were in the middle of a huge fight over Valvoline oil and an oil foaming issue. Both oil tests and further experiments had shown that the oil had issues with foaming to the point it aerated the entire oil supply in the pan. It prompted both a sponsorship change and a new oil. This was in the early 80's and the 'new' oil was Kendall GT, of which they started running solely their 20W50 racing oil and a synthetic gear lube from Pace Lubricants in TX.
In the shop, on other non-race vehicles we used either Mobil1 or Castrol depending on the vehicle.
I do remember taking home the buckets from the gear oil, which we went through roughly a 5 gallon bucket ever two weeks, and finding the bottom of those buckets with a thick scum on the bottom. The gear lube was a mix of Wolfs head and Kendall.
The oil samples we sent out back then were all used oil in failed engines but foaming was a big issue even when the oils ere new.
Comparing it to the new oils isn't any sort of comparison, the new oil is always going to be better but on most run of the mill daily drivers from back in the day, the oil they ran then is likely good enough still today in those old engines.
Four years ago I stopped driving a 1980 Ford with 369k on it, it went its entire life running on 10W30 Havoline oil that was acquired back in 1980. I still have several unopened cases of it.
It did just fine, it was good for it then and I never changed, and never bought new oil, I just used what was on hand. It was still running when I sold it with zero issues in a 300 I6 Ford engine. It simply didn't need anything better to keep it alive all those years.
Would new oil be 'better' , I have no doubts, but the old oil was good enough and it saved me a ton of money over the years and likely had no detrimental effects in the later years with that truck.
I also have 12 cases of unopened 1985 issue Havoline in the round plastic bottles.
It was 10W40 oil supplied through a sponsor at the time as a 'gift' of sorts. I never had anything that ran 10W40 so it sat on the shelf. Its in most of my oil cans around the shop and in a few lawn mowers that are likely more than 50 years old.
A lot boils down to any oil is better than no oil, and for old technology vehicles and engines, old oil on the shelf is likely fine for normal use with annual oil changes.
I certainly wouldn't put it in my newer vehicles, but the rating alone would prevent that.
I love this channel because it feels like only the people watching this would be as excited about that foam test as Lake was.
We are a select few...
So... whature gettin at is that there will be 0 modern engines surviving the pocalypse. Well... dang. Get a horse and say goodbye to the gassers, not even making alcohol will save the combustion engine. Not enough model t's left for parts, so nothing sloppy enough to work with the junk oil will survive. Stock up on bearings, rods, and be prepared to rebuild many a motor if you are mad maxing it!
Thanks!
@@HawkeyeMobileAutoRepair Perhaps a Toyota pickup, just changed the transmission oil today. It's an 86 and I'd bet it was only its second change ever. It also has way over 260k miles, in the last decade the previous owner also didn't fix the odometer so god knows what millage all the drivetrain has. But yes the engine is the one question mark we would all have.
Great job Lake! Always "Shaken, not stirred!" -James Bond
Thanks!
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It's safe to say that the old oil should be used as shelf-art in the garage... nothing more. Thanks for doing this!
The problem IS, how "old" can the oil be before it starts going bad? 6 months? 1 year? 3 years?. Right now we just don't know.
EXPIRED: When Does New Oil Go Bad?
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@@OneAceracer ahem, "we" should be "I"
@@TheRealSykx So, someone does know?
It's also a great fire starter!
Sure is refreshing to see some science backing up the claims. Tanks for all the hard work!
Glad to see you use HPL oil products. I’ve heard very good things about them and have used their products a little. Your use of their stuff is an independent statement of their quality.
I love your videos very informative and easy to understand, "Oil: shaken not stirred; Stirring bruises the additives."
We truly appreciate your sharing what you learn in your experiments & tests! Thank you, sir!
Thank you!
We love learning from Lake Speed, thanks for making great content. The foam coming off the old gear oil at the end demonstrates the importance of changing an older vehicle’s (often forgotten) gear oil. Yet another example of how maintenance matters.
Thanks!
Just imagine all of that 'beautiful' foam as the only thing between the ring & pinion in your new, custom, full floater, Wavetrac diffed, BIG $$$$$ 9" rear axle, on a blazing hot, open track day.
OUCH!!
It's not that you are not providing valuable information for free. We appreciate all the time,effort, and money spent on our behalf.
Yet life is short.
32 minutes is a lot longer when you're waiting for results.
I have leaned now in my 50's that lubricants are what I'm interested in. You're living my life, Lake! Good stuff!
Wow, very surprising and impressive results! Thanks for the doing the scientific testing as solid proof!
Thank you!
Lake, great stuff here. Over my 50+ years making a living turning wrenches, this is information that dispels a lot that I've heard over the years. The moisture intrusion factor with plastic containers also applies to brake fluid that's in those type containers. Personally, I buy only the amount of brake fluid that I need for a certain project and I date the container when I've opened it. Living in Florida with humidity through the roof, I remember the days when I first started out in a small shop, where that metal gallon jug of shop use brake fluid would sit opened until it was used up. This was insanity, come to think of it, but many of us didn't know. That kind of info wasn't as easily found back in the early 1970s, plus the guy that owned the shop was cheap. He didn't waste anything. I never used that shop fluid in my car because of the fact that I didn't want fluid that might have trash in it from it always being open. Kind of a common sense thing with a hydraulic system that's critical like brakes. The small containers of brake fluid were all metal back in the day with a thick metal seal in the top, under the screw on cap. This makes me wonder if an unopened metal container of brake fluid degrades?
Thanks for a great and informative video, Lake. I remember seeing your dad when he used to campaign that T-bird. I'm glad that he's still having fun with it.
Thanks 👍
Same here.
Entropy applies to everything, even that can of brake fluid
Brake fluid has many multiples of times greater hygroscopic tendency (the proclivity to take on moisture from the atmosphere), due to it's chemical makeup, than engine oil or gear oil.
It makes me wonder WHY any of the top tier/high end/ultra high boiling point racing brake fluids are EVER sold in plastic bottles at all.
Then I realized that since they are designed for a racing environment, the whole bottle is going to be used very quickly for very frequent bleeds and full flushes once opened.
But, given the greater permeability of the plastic bottles, I do wonder whether said race teams actually look for the freshest 'build' date on the plastic bottles they purchase (or are supplied by their sponsors) in order to not first start with a moisture laden product which has sat on a shelf, and taken on water.
That said, once it is opened, or even if it sits unopened long enough, even metal containers will allow some moisture into the fluid, IF it is LONG past it's date of production.
I owned a /90 T-Bird SC manual a long time ago, so yeah, I always rooted for the Ford drivers way back when I still followed the roundy 'round crews at all. 😉
@@LS1conehead You're not kidding about the hygroscopic tendency on brake fluid (non-silicone based).
When I bought my stock car it came without calipers. I assUmed they ran DOT5 silicone brake fluid, so I ordered some. Right before I was ready to pour some in and start bleeding, I wanted to make sure before I REALLY messed up.
I filled a clear water bottle about 1/4 full with the unknown brake fluid. And filled a shotglass 1/2 full with DOT5. Filled both of them up with water.
The shotglass had a definite line of the water floating on top. Purple tint on the bottom, clear on the top.
The water bottle mixed up PERFECT with 3 parts water 1 part brake fluid. Zero water or fluid floated to the top or settled to the bottom.
Needless to say, I'm glad I ran that test before I screwed up and mixed in DOT5 with DOT4.
I wanted to run a test and see how much water the brake fluid could absorb before getting fully saturated, and just never got around to it.
Thank you! Another highly informative video. I never would have even considered shaking oil.
Glad it was helpful!
Sean Connery… the best 007.
Awesome video Lake, learned a ton…also liked the guitar riff!
Great video! You have confirmed the theory with practice! This is wonderful!
Glad you think so!
I was helping a friend make room in his garage for his new Silverado. We found maybe 10-15 opened quarts of motor oil. I used you videos as justification to dispose of every single one. Some were from the 90s.
Right on!
this is a goldmine of info, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Great stuff, thanks for your time, effort and humor!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good to know and a must see for anyone in mechanical maintenance. !!!
Thanks!
More of this PLEASE!!!!
Thanks!
As an old dog, im really enjoying your channel learning new tricks I want to say thank you! I still turn my own wrenches but things have changed. I’m almost double nickels so things have changed a lot in my years. I appreciate you doing all these breakdowns and explaining the the W’a! And it’s also nice to say Heidi ho from the other side of , North Carolina.
Glad to help
I just found a case of oil so old it's still in cardboard bottles! Im still watching the video, vut indoubt ill be putting it in my daily driver (1994 Chevy 4x4 that I bought new). That 350 runs like new even after 290,000 miles, with an oil/lube every 3000 miles.
**Edited**
After watching the full video, it definitely reinforced my opinion of not using the old oil in my truck! I'll just mix it with the hydraulic oil I spray on the underside and insides of the doors and cab corners to prevent rust from all the damn salt on the roads in the Northeast winters.
Love your channel! Very cool info for an old engineer like me!! Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching!
Very educational visuals at the Lab !
Thanks!
Great content, Mr Speed.
I started shaking my oil at 17....just figured its been sitting upright since the bottle was filled, and could use a little mixing. I'm 65 now.
You've been shaking bottles since before Mobil 1 made oil!
HPL Lubricants ! So glad you went to them. This is what all companies should strive for in terms of performance, customer service, innovation. I had a question about a product once . The person I was initially talking to couldn't answer. She transfered me to the CEO. He was great. Wow, try that with Elon! 😂
Thanks for another great video. I always shake the bottle but I guess it's been for nothing 😆. That hpl refused to hold air. Incredible
Thanks for watching!
Thank you! You have opened my eyes to different types of oil and how it tested!
Glad it was helpful!
I find your videos interesting as I'm a retired CAT&CUMMINGS knuckle buster and this industry has been using oil analysis at least fifty years.
I like you really get a good laugh visiting Walmart and walk down the oil isle; know wonder people get confused!!! Sense sometime in the mid/70s have used only two brands of motor oil in everything I own including lawnmowers,motorcycles, cars and trucks. And the brands will probably shock sum people; Mobil Delvac or Shell Rotella 15W40. Currently I only use Shell Rotella 5W40 synthetic in everything!!! And for the disbelievers I ran a 3.5 hp B&S (Briggs & Stratton) push mower on 15W40 for twenty five years!!! Oh I just read that Kholer Motor Company in their name brand oil is actually Amsoil.
Sean get my vote too. Great car!!!
Great testing Lake!
Thanks!
Excellent tests and info, thank you Lake!
Thanks!
Another great video. As I quickly stated and gave a quick handshake towards the end of Saturday at this year's PRI show, thank you for doing these great videos. I use your videos in my engine building and repair class.
Thanks you! I really appreciate it.
Glad it was helpful!
How cool is it that there are people in the world that do stuff like this? So sweet to take care of dad like that:) And if we made it to the end of the video, does that mean we are geeks?
Thanks!
I thought if the oil container was sealed and shaken once in a while, the oil would still be ok for 1-10 years.. I am really surprised. I received couple of cases of oil from my father after his passing.... Now I am just going to recycle it. I cannot afford my current car to blow up... Great content...
I'm glad it helped!
You could use it in small engines, like lawnmower, tiller, etc.
Oil standards have changed a lot. The oil itself, depending how it was stored, can be quite close to how it left the factory, but that doesn't at all guarantee it's usable for a modern vehicle engine.
@@roberttroxell4006i definitely agree with this, or even used in a converted diesel engine
Love the content Lake, we always come away more knowledgeable for your lab work
Thanks!
GREAT,,,,yes more lab tests
Fantastic video! 😀❤️
Connery and Craig are my top Bonds. Connery is the CLASSIC movie bond, Craig brought the essence of the books to life.
Good point!
oh wow thank you soooooooo much for this.... this was so impressive and nice to see the results... science is so fascinating
Glad you enjoyed it!
I started shaking oil cans before pouring because of a failure in UH-1 helicopters. There were several failures of transmission bearings and analysis showed that the anti foaming additive had settled out and the oil had foamed excessively
More HPL stuff please. Great products
Awesome video! What oil filters do you recommend?
Great video to answer my (group also) question about whether shaking old containers of motor oil would be effective in recombining the oil chem pack that has fallen out of solution over time. I appreciate how you use scientific control protocols in providing true empirical results instead of opinion and urban myth. I look forward to the video followup on your results using the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Synthetic motor oil.
I’m glad it helped!
IN terms of old motor oil being bad for the engine, it still might have a good use in terms of using the old/expired oil on garden hand tool wooden handlers. For example using the old oil to preserver wooden handles of shovels, rakes, picks etc. or using the old/expired oil to preserver wood fences. I heard this from Google and from YouTune videos. It actually works and it a good cost effective alternative. By the way, great work with your video and tests... keep up the great work mate!
Very informative and highly appreciated, thank you sir.
The anti-foaming qualities of that HPL gear oil was kind of mind blowing. HPL has been on my radar for a couple a years now, thinking I’m going to finally pull the trigger on some.
I finally pulled the trigger on it a few months ago put their gear oil in my transam. Will probably switch my motor oil over next.
I just realized HPL makes oil for Reher Morrison as well.
@@deadstartcrashkit i need to ask them for some gear oil without the LSD additive so i can use it in my manual transmissions.
Either I'm a time traveler, or this video was reuploaded from the other day. 😂
Great information! Now, we have definitive proof that oils age even if they aren't used.
Glad it was helpful!
Roger Moore and Sean Connery are my fav's. As to the oil, great info. The only thing I would have changed is shaking them inverted.
Same Sean Connery - epic voice perfect for the part had the hair and dignified appearance
Thanks for giving us the information that we mortals need to help our engines last as long as they possibly can......the costs of cars has dictated we make them last as long as possible
Even though nowadays theyre built to fail.
Been religious on oil changes on the wifes car,yet at 93k its showing signs its going to need a timing chain here soon.
@@MrTheHillfolkoften it's difficult to convince a woman to buy something less appealing like a VW built time bomb (only speculation).
I bought a NA 6 cylinder subaru that gets just as good fuel economy as a small 4 pot engine because I know how to coast n feather the throttle.
A few women I know race there cars up to an intersection then slam on the brakes.
Also I don't slam an auto from reverse outta the drive into drive while still moving...
Truly sympathise with married men... it's heartbreaking.
Thanks
@@peterlattimore6013 You need to hit those high rpms every once in a while, of course only when it reaches operating temperatures to clean the carbon build up if it's a direct injection engine.
@@LazyBoyA1 for sure, to avoid the the carbon accumulating on the inlet value stem and port. However I don't have the issue as much as many, as I drive mainly hiway speeds with limited idle time in traffic due to working anti social hours during the night (never sitting idle in traffic).
Good workout for you. Excellent vid, excellent subject. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Great stuff Lake.
Thanks!
Thanks, i appreciate your efforts!
Glad you like them!
Thank you, Lake! This channel has taught me so much.
Thank you so much!
Thanks Lake Speed for sharing your science based approach and knowledge with us means a lot to me
Thanks!
This is a very entertaining & fun video Lake.
Thanks!
That is cool stuff and good knowledge on the oils. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for the science info. I respect truth and data vs opinion and old garage tales.
Glad you like them!
I liked your frother test, not sure what that says about me.........
Mobile One sold me on full synthetic oil in 1998. I had a brand new vehicle then, and the first oil change at 1500 miles was done during a cold snap where morning temperatures when I started the vehicle were in the -20 degrees Fahrenheit. The difference in noise and cranking speed was VERY noticeable. The vehicle came with traditional motor oil from the factory, but I have used full synthetic ever since.
Sean Connery is my favorite James Bond as well.
Rock on!
Great job
Thanks!
Pierce brosnan for sure!! I grew up in the 90's 😎 Pennzoil platinum high mileage is my oil of choice and I can tell the additive package does fall out. So when the jug gets to about the 1 quart line, I shake it and whirl it around in the jug until it picks up all that stuff in the bottom then I pour the rest in.
When I observed you vigorously shaking the oil containers (after you made a comment about Sean Connery as James Bond), it reminded me that Sean Connery's character in the James Bond movies only preferred his Vodka Martinis to be "shaken, not stirred!"
Absolutely!
I found an old havoline 10w40 conv. Case and it had grey specs and scales of zink?? I shook it up and used it in an old dodge . It still ran 300,000 plus towing and highway. The running gear wore out first.
That gear oil would have destroyed a rearend in short order and would have had it blowing out seals and all kinds of stuff probably. I'm also surprised/not surprised to find out there was water in some of the oil. Thats really good to know. Thank you for this test.
Thanks for the great content, and for the workouts! 😄
Glad you like them!
Great Video!!! Old oils definitely cannot be used in the engine because they have water and a high level of oxidation. But the ZDDP level of the old Mobil is incredible, more than 2500
Thank you!
I always heard that pure racing oils had very little calcium in them in order to keep the high rev foaming down to a minimum, because it 'competes' with the other anti-wear/anti-friction additives (ZDDP, any type moly, titanium, tungsten, etc.) and that they did not need it (nor the high starting TBN that element helps make possible) since they are never in the sump (dry or wet) for very long in a race car.
Yet, the Mobil 1 RACING (at least the last time I looked at the specs) does have ridiculous amounts of calcium in it's additive package.
Does anyone know the logic behind why this is done?? Mr. Speed?
Sean Connery was the best by far. Engine oil is endlessly facanating and often overlooked . Great videos. Keep up the work cheers 👍 what about look a oils used in a F1 engine ?
Thank you!
THINK, Really think about the question!! The oil is more shaken in use than could ever be in the can!!
LOL, somebody gets it...
#1=Sean Connery
#2=Roger Moore
#3=Daniel Craig
#4=Pierce Brosnan
the rest were just okay
(by the way, you responded to my comment on the last video with this link, thank you! good vid)
trying to keep my old bug running as long as possible, super helpful video.
Glad it helped!
I'm guessing it runs on beetle juice?
Sean Connery because he was a man's man type of James Bond. No sliding down hills on a Cello. Glad you sent these off for proper analysis.
Great video. Keep them coming. Motor oil geek all the way.
Thanks! Will do!
Yes, more cool tests with HPL please!
On the way!
Great video and very informative. Thanks very much! Definitely getting rid of all that old oil. However, is there a difference on shaking vs not shaking NEW oil that hasn't expired?
No. We saw no difference in the new oils shaken or un-shaken.
Another great video! Thanks for what you are doing. A couple ideas for new content - explain differences between API, Ilsac, ACEA, and all of the OEM specific oil standards out there. It’s tough for the best DIYers to understand the difference. Also - why do European brand cars need special oil? Just a suggestion! Thanks again and great content!
Thanks for the idea!
That's a very cool test of all the oils, especially the old Mobil 1. Now, if only we could see which one of the new oils today, from each manufacture would foam up the least, that might cause a major argument on whos the best, Like Shell Rotella vs Mobil Delvac vs etc for gas or Diesel engines.
First time at this channel. "I love ya, but I'm not shakin' it for ya"!!! HILARIOUS!! Now subscribed!
LOL, thanks!
The gear oil on the right would have done Guinness proud if it had been beer.
Great review and superb lab testing.
Thank you!
Excellent video! Love it! I would love to see how Amsoil gear oil does on the foam test😊
Thanks for the suggestion!
Interesting stuff. By habit, I shake the bottles before pouring them... but they aren't really old ones. I usually only store my supplies for 6-months to a year. I'm just buying PCMO for my daily driver and work van... nothing fancy.
Timothy Dalton's bond was amazing especially after Roger Moore's films...
Absolutely amazing
Thanks!
Keep the videos coming Lake!
Thanks!
That's some good educational content.
Thanks!
My first guess guess was that components in the old oil have become oxidated and precipitated out of suspension over time. Oxidated products are likely to be more polar and be denser. That would not seem to be kind of thing you want in your new oil and more like something you want to drain out in an oil change. It could be an anticorrosive agent(s) that have been consumed by oxidation over time with no use and no longer available to protect a running engine. Shake it up all you want and get all that junk all in suspension, the same elements may be there, but not in the same forms found in the new oil. My sentiment would be to recycle the old oil and just by new oil as indicated here. This affirms the idea that if my car sits in a garage a lot, I should still change my oil after a year or so in spite of milage.
Wow. I would’ve got this wrong on a test.
Thanks. The water in the old Valvoline bottle really shocked me!
@@themotoroilgeekYeah, we tend to not think PE as being permeable, but it is indeed.
This test actually held water 😅
@themotoroilgeek whats your thoughts on using rotella t4 15w40 for a break in on street car? Mountune for example likes using vr1 conventional sae50 but that to me seems to thick on cold start, i live in vermont so its not hot.
Love your enthusiasm Lake. Also, back in the day, every time I talked to your father, he was always a joy to talk with.
I had some old semi synthetic Valvoline 10W/40 that was about 15 years old. My neighbor was getting ready to leave for a long drive to see a friend that was 300 miles away in her 7 year old Kia. I asked her if her boyfriend had checked the car over before she left and she said no. So I checked under the hood and found she needed some coolant for the overflow and the engine oil was about 2 quarts low. She didn't have any oil, and I didn't want to just give her my fresh Mobil 1, so I gave her 2 of these old Valvoline quarts. Funny, her first remark was how much better and quiet the engine sounded.... what a surprise.... right?
I did look inside the bottles and there really wasn't anything in the bottom to my surprise. But I felt that having something in there that would lubricate was far better than not having something that would lubricate.
She got back and said everything ran fine. But I highly recommended that she get her boyfriend to service her car, or to go get the oil changed, and perhaps check the oil level sometimes and get it changed at least once a year on her birthday or something.
Thanks for sharing
just so you know Kia Hyndai dealership use valvoline.if container was closed no problem.
@@marlu6373i thought they now use shell?. maybe this is regional thing but we got Shell Helix Ultra with Hyundai label from dealership
@@marlu6373 Actually, dealerships use whatever brand of oil is the best deal for them which meets the minimum specifications for their brand of vehicle. They may exist, but I've never seen a dealer that only uses the car manufacturers brand of oils.
Also, the OEM's brand of oils also changes from year to year as well. It may be Valvoline this year and Shell something the next year. You never really know what brand of oil is in that OEM bottle of oil. But what you do know is that whatever brand of oil is in it, that that lubricant will meet all of that manufacturers requirements.
A recommended practice would be to check the packing date or better the refining/ fill date on any oil upon delivery prior to using How old is too old? My guess would be 24month maximum. Some smaller blenders may run batches and then inventory. Especially viscosities that are not main stream.
Always wondered about this, turns out my opinion was wrong. Thanks for the education.
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Exactly. But I think he said that just to make us comment. 😂
I hung onto a quart of Castrol Hypoy C 90 weight Gear oil since the the 1980's. Ya, good thing I put it in my washing machine gear case about 20 years ago. Worked good even to this day. Still have an inch or so left in the container. I will try and get some foam going with it.
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