Valgavoth exiles your opponents' cards sent from anywhere, except from your control. Milling/discarding your opponents' stuff will get exiled and become an option for you to cast it with its final ability. However, if you do cast one their permanents and that permanent gets destroyed, it'll just go to their graveyard and not exiled due to it being under your control. I also think that casting an instant/sorcery from their exile will also send it to their graveyard instead of exile, since you "controled" that spell, though that part I'm not entirely sure. I feel it's worded this strange way to keep you from being able to indefinitely cast the same card over and over again.
The wording is a little confusing because they did not want you to be able to cast your opponent's stuff over and over. If they worded it like "whenever a card would be put into your opponents graveyard..." then you could play an instant/sorcery, it would go to their graveyard and it would be exiled again, so you can play it again. You can definitely make you opponens mill or discard and then play their cards with Valgavoth. A card that is put directly from an opponent's library into their graveyard is still considered to be "controlled" by that opponent. Even though the card wasn't cast or actively played from their hand or battlefield, they still "own" and "control" the card while it's in their library.
Surprised krrik isn’t in here. Fast(ish) way to cheat him out. Lots of life but in your build we have life gain. Bit of ramp and he can be out turn 4-5 consistently
I wouldn't use him as a commander. Black doesn't have ramp. He's better to be placed in other decks like Omnath Locus of All or any other mana ramp/mill decks.
You are right ofcourse. But the challenge is half the fun. And the constant threat on the other players at the table if you are getting close to 9 mana is a fun thing. But yeah in a deck where you can cheat big stuff he will probably be best
Bro what? Black doesn’t have ramp? Crypt gast, dark ritual, bubbling muck, magus of the coffers, cabal coffers, cabal stronghold, culling the weak, cabal ritual.
@@wolfsajin That's a few cards. Black isn't known for ramp, green is. Every color has a FEW cards that the other colors produce. Every color has a counterspell but blue has the most as to where the others have a few. Green has the most ramp while the others have a few cards for ramp.
@@almondmilk5315 yes, you aren’t wrong. black may not be known for ramp. But it still has it. I listed 8 cards there which is plenty, especially considering you’re likely running K’rrik which is just reducing the amount of mana you’re playing. There are ways around the lack of “ramp”. plus it’s not like you need more than 10 pieces of ramp. You have cost reducers as well that more often than not, are colorless. So that helps too.
Very nice, keep up the good work!
I wouldn't run him as commander but he'll fit perfectly to every reanimator deck. swamp, dark ritual, entomb, reanimate on T1 and let's have some fun
There is a new creature in duskmourn that makes mana reduction 1 colorless for demons and other creature types
So it’s perfect for this deck also
Heartless summoning is great
I cheat casted this Creature tonight. It was wild on turn 5.
@@moderneaux this sounds horrible... For the rest of your table :)
I was gonna put him in my deck he’s the true commander but shiri shizo’s caretaker and shadowborn apostle
I thought of a similar deck
@@hunteroverstreetnox nice
Question, does he only exile from battlefield? Or can I mill or discard someone and take their stuff? The control aspect throws me off. Thank you :)
Any card that the opponent controls would go to the grave will be exiled instead. So yeah, only battlefield
Valgavoth exiles your opponents' cards sent from anywhere, except from your control. Milling/discarding your opponents' stuff will get exiled and become an option for you to cast it with its final ability. However, if you do cast one their permanents and that permanent gets destroyed, it'll just go to their graveyard and not exiled due to it being under your control. I also think that casting an instant/sorcery from their exile will also send it to their graveyard instead of exile, since you "controled" that spell, though that part I'm not entirely sure. I feel it's worded this strange way to keep you from being able to indefinitely cast the same card over and over again.
Cards that are in a Library or hand are not under anyone’s control
The wording is a little confusing because they did not want you to be able to cast your opponent's stuff over and over. If they worded it like "whenever a card would be put into your opponents graveyard..." then you could play an instant/sorcery, it would go to their graveyard and it would be exiled again, so you can play it again.
You can definitely make you opponens mill or discard and then play their cards with Valgavoth. A card that is put directly from an opponent's library into their graveyard is still considered to be "controlled" by that opponent. Even though the card wasn't cast or actively played from their hand or battlefield, they still "own" and "control" the card while it's in their library.
Surprised krrik isn’t in here. Fast(ish) way to cheat him out. Lots of life but in your build we have life gain. Bit of ramp and he can be out turn 4-5 consistently
Fair point! I built him pretty early on and hadn't thought of K'rrik. Definitely a must
When I was building him I did the exact same and forgot krrik! It was such a face palm moment when I remembered lol
I think he works better in the 99 since you can just mill and reanimate or tutor reanimated
I wouldn't use him as a commander. Black doesn't have ramp. He's better to be placed in other decks like Omnath Locus of All or any other mana ramp/mill decks.
You are right ofcourse. But the challenge is half the fun. And the constant threat on the other players at the table if you are getting close to 9 mana is a fun thing. But yeah in a deck where you can cheat big stuff he will probably be best
Bro what? Black doesn’t have ramp? Crypt gast, dark ritual, bubbling muck, magus of the coffers, cabal coffers, cabal stronghold, culling the weak, cabal ritual.
@@wolfsajin That's a few cards. Black isn't known for ramp, green is. Every color has a FEW cards that the other colors produce. Every color has a counterspell but blue has the most as to where the others have a few. Green has the most ramp while the others have a few cards for ramp.
@@almondmilk5315 yes, you aren’t wrong. black may not be known for ramp. But it still has it. I listed 8 cards there which is plenty, especially considering you’re likely running K’rrik which is just reducing the amount of mana you’re playing. There are ways around the lack of “ramp”. plus it’s not like you need more than 10 pieces of ramp. You have cost reducers as well that more often than not, are colorless. So that helps too.
Black has amazing ramp. Check out the older cards
Net als Tegrid moet je hier gewoon geen deck mee maken.
Hehe this one is definitely more challenging to pilot than Tegrid