Martina talked about this match in an interview once- about crying after the match... she said it wasn't about losing, she mentions her parents and sister, then starts crying- she cried because they were only an hour away and she couldn't see them. Luckily, she saw them 3 months later when the Fed Cup was played in Prague- Martina's first time home in 11 years.
Watching a 50plus-year-old Steffi today make me think that she still has a bit of that girly cuteness from yesteryear about her. Even though her beauty and elegance are of course in the forefront today. If you know what I mean.
@@carrerau7138 Personally, I know only one thing : the passing of the years has no impact at all on her beauty and elegance. That's the asset of true and natural beauty. Both on the physical and moral sides.
@@McClernand4 Sadly this makes her a target for certain people who can‘t bear that their faves are inferior to Steffi in all departments - success in sports, character, physical beauty.
Back then Berlin was my favorite tournament to watch - already before the era of Steffi Graf. Respect to Martina that she played in Berlin '86, where the risk of losing against Steffi for the very first time was the highest. Unforgettable match ...
Until then Martina had won 3 of 3 matches and 6 of 6 sets against baby Steffi who had managed to win only 2 games per set on average. So Navratilova could expect another easy win.
Chris always said she could read Martina's emotions before a match. If she was super confident in the locker room, then Chris knew she herself was in for heck of a match. But if Martina was nervous or tentative, then Chris knew she had a shot of winning. Martina was never good at hiding her emotions during a match. Steffi must have read Martina was nervous in this match.
GRACIAS POR COMPARTIR ESTAS VERDADERAS JOYAS DE LA INIGUALABLE STEFFI GRAF LA MEJOR TENISTA DE TODOS LOS TIEMPOS DENTRO Y FUERA DE LA CANCHA. GRACIAS. SALUDIS DESDE ECUADOR
Really interesting match - I got the impression that Martina had underestimated Steffi here (Steffi had never beaten her before this) and she was surprised by Steffi's pace at times - it made Martina look slow to react to some shots. Martina also seemed seemed very mentally unfocused at times, her concentration coming and going. Steffi, on the other hand, played a really disciplined, consistent match.
T H I loved this Era. I loved serve & volleyers like Navratilova, McEnroe, Edberg & power baseliners like Graf & Lendl that pushed the game forward to the next generation, Becker, Sampras, Agassi & then to the newer generation & today's generation. You can see, watching Martina vs Steffi, how the older generation(Martina) wasn't used to the faster, heavier, harder hitting pace & weight of shot. As great an athlete as Martina was, she was not used to the pace & weight of Steffi's shots & court movement. And Steffi was used to dishing it out but not until Monica Seles' game came along was Steffi used to Receiving the same or even greater pace & weight of shot. I do believe Steffi Graf's superior athleticism would have been able to hang with today's game but it would not have been as easy as it was during her Era before pre-stabbed Monica Seles came along, in my opinion. I wish there was a "time" machine that could bring great players from different Eras together to compete against each another. I especially would have loved to see a few more great matches between Steffi Graf vs Serena Williams. They only played twice but both matches went 3 sets, 7-5 in the 3rd to the winner & they split the 2 matches. And matter that Steffi was a veteran & Serena was a rookie when they played vs one another, they both were/are extremely competitive champions & incredible athletes.
+Steven Michael Don´t forget Martina and Steffi had a pretty even h2h record, though. Considering Martina was way past her prime in most of those matches, for all we know we have to conclude that Martina was actually the greater champion. Her overall record also confirms that (59 Grand Slam titles to Steffi´s 23).
fundhund62 well that's the big debate, and I think it's always going to be subjective. You could argue that many of their early matches were when Steffi was nowhere near her best. Also Chris evert and Billy Jean King rated Steffi higher than Martina. All depends on your own personal opinion.
I actually don´t care who is "rated higher". The previous comment just sounded like Martina couldn´t handle Steffi´s game, and I just wanted to provide some facts to counter that impression. Although Martina was clearly behind her prime by the time 1988 rolled around, she could still hang with Steffi, and even beat her as late as 1993! If there was one year when both were close to their best form, it was 1987, when they were 2-2, but Martina beat Steffi in two of their three Slam finals.
In all fairness, Martina was struggling the first half of 1986 whereas Steffi was on a TEAR winning something like 5 or 6 clay court tournaments in a row after beating Chris at the Family Circle final. Steffi's streak came to an end when Hana Mandlikova beat her in the Quarterfinal at French Open and she had to miss Wimbledon due to toe injury.
Hey Kevin thanks for posting-- its fun to see these lesser known matches-- any chance you may have the 1986 Womens US Open SFs (Graf v. Navratilova and Evert v Sukova?) cant find the former anywhere, would love to see it
Ich erinnere mich daran, dass mein Vater vor 31 Jahren im Pfingstferien-Italien-Urlaub eine Bilddzeitung gekauft hatte - was er sonst nie tat. Vielleicht wegen diesem Match? Fragen kann ich ihn nicht mehr. Aber ich meine mich zu erinnern an die Schlagzeile: Navratilova weinte. Und die Pfingstferien waren genau zu diesem Turnier.
Martina's serve was really off....Martina has talked about this match- she cried after the match, not because Steffi beat her- she said she knew Steffi was the probable one to eventually replace her, her family was only 200 miles away and she couldn't see them because of the defection- it was on her mind the whole match...a couple months later- Fed Cup was played in Prague and it was her first time back home in 11 years- they had to agree to let her back in order to host the event.
graf must have been feeling very confident heading into the french as she had beaten evert for the first time on clay (well har-tru) and then navratilova on red clay for the first time as well... but then lost to mandlikova at the french who then lost badly to eventual champion evert in the semis, although hana had a injured finger that affected her play...
Steffi had a match point against Hana but even if she had won I don’t think anyone was going to beat Chris that year. She was brilliant against Martina in the last 2 sets.
@@mcgoran100 agreed... evert possibly could have won that match against graf as well on har=true clay in the states, 2 close sets, but evert led like 4-0 or something in the 2nd set, then again, this was the 1st time graf would win against evert and started her winning streak against evert..
"Steffi Graf is suffering from a mysterious virus and will miss the Wimbledon championship where she was seeded third. The West German, who turned 17 last Saturday, has been suffering from high fever and a viral infection and cough since the French Open two weeks ago." (L.A. TIMES ARCHIVES, JUNE 17, 1986 12 AM PT)
I wonder how steffi would have done if she'd been able to play Wimbledon in 1986. Very difficult to say - she was clearly improving massively but there were also still many serve and volleyers who could trouble her backhand, and she was still inexperienced on grass. I think Martina would have been too strong and I'm trying to think who else may have beaten her.
If Graf played Wimbledon in 1986 and she had to play Mandlikova, I would've favoured Mandlikova slightly considering where they were in their respective careers. Also, Hana played great tennis that year at Wimbledon.
She still would've lost. A stronger Graf still lost to Navratilova a year later in 87 Wimbledon final. It wasn't until Graf truly worked on her backhand that she finally beat Martina at Wimbledon in 88.
@@shihlin1I think Pam Shriver may have given Steffi a tough match too on grass then. Given that she beat Steffi at Wimbledon 1985, and at the end of 1986 she very nearly beat Steffi at the tour finals 4-6, 7-6 [5], 6-3 to Steffi.
Martina is frustrated. She is being outplayed by a future major rival and she knows how dangerous Graf is already by looking at her rise in the ranking and recent victory over Evert, but whats worse, she is two weeks away from playing RG and she is nowhere near where she needs to be in her preparation for that event. This is not the kind of tennis that she afford to play to beat Evert. As fate would have it, Martina was not particularly glorious in a tight two setter in the QF against Rinaldi, and she had more trouble against Sukova in the semis of RG who took her to three sets. Graf lost to Hana in the Quarters of the French.
John First in few words she said she never thought she could beat Martina, she thought Martina was still number one and she (Martina) did not have her best day. She also wanted to thank her sponsors, she named the first two and by the 3rd one she said “who else?” producing the laughters. That was Lufthansa
Je suis une future meurtrière. J'ai engagé un psychopathe pour me débarrasser de mon adversaire meilleure que moi : Monica Seles qui aurait battu tous les records dans le tennis féminin mondial. On ne souviendra pas de moi d'ici quelques décennies. Ma place est dans la géhenne.
@@M.EngelhART Martina played the Berlin tournament because it was the only tournament her parents back in the communist CSSR were able to watch on TV (German TV). When at the victory ceremony she mentioned this she was overcome with emotion.
I'm sorry but I think Martina behaved badly in this match especially considering how much older she was then Steffi. Steffi so cute trying to handle that big champagne 🍾 bottle.
Graf’s final standing across multiple open era record categories…record holder in parenthesis Grand Slams Most overall GS titles= no (Williams) Most grand slam matches= no (Williams) Most grand slam match wins= no (Williams) Most consecutive slam titles= no (tie Court & Navratilova) Most consecutive slam match wins= no (Navratilova…despite Graf having won the calendar year grand slam…LOLOLOL) Most AO titles= no (Williams) Most FO titles= no (Evert) Most WO titles= no (Navratilova) Most USO titles= no (Tie Evert & Williams) Tournaments Overall Most overall tournament titles= no (Navratilova) Most tournament finals= no (Navratilova) Most titles in a single season= no (Court) Most consecutive finals= no (Navratilova) Most consecutive years with one title= no (Navratilova) Most matches & match wins= no & no (Navratilova) Most titles on hard= no (Williams) Most match wins on hard= no (Williams) Most titles on grass= no (Navratilova) Most match wins on grass= no (Navratilova) Most titles on clay= no (Evert) Most match wins on clay= no (Evert) Most titles on carpet= no (Navratilova) Most match wins on carpet= no (Navratilova) Most titles indoors= no (Navratilova) Most titles outdoors= no (Navratilova) Most year-end championships= no (Navratilova) Longest winning streak= no (Navratilova) Longest winning streak on a single surface= no (Evert) Highest career winning percentage= no (Evert) Highest winning percentage in a single season= no (Navratilova) Most matches played against the other GOATs= no (Evert) Most match wins against the other GOATs= no (Evert) Highest winning percentage against the other GOATs= no (Williams) Hmmmmm….. tell us again how she’s the GOAT?
Golden Slam. Each slam won at least 4 times. At least 3 slams in 5 different years. At least 6 slams on every surface. All-time records. Serena has not even one.
@@carrerau7138 How can someone not be the best at grand slams, the best at tournaments overall, the best at any of the four grand slams, or the best on any surface and be considered the GOAT? It takes a bunch of double taking, lies, and a series of ordinal rankings to somehow catapult Graf from a bunch of 2nd-5th place (or worse) records to number 1.
@@jm7804 It is not about the best at one slam. It is about the best on aggregate. And there Steffi‘s all-time records come into play: Golden Slam at least 4 wins at every slam at least 3 slams in 5 different years at least 6 slams on every surface 21 slams in less than a decade Those “open era record“ at this or that slam are nice. But of course inferior to Steffi‘s records. That is no rocket science, kid.
@@carrerau7138 "Serena has not even one." What EXACTLY are you referring to? Warning...I will make you look extremely silly and call you a liar depending on your response.
Martina talked about this match in an interview once- about crying after the match... she said it wasn't about losing, she mentions her parents and sister, then starts crying- she cried because they were only an hour away and she couldn't see them. Luckily, she saw them 3 months later when the Fed Cup was played in Prague- Martina's first time home in 11 years.
Those back hands passing shots,,,, amazing steffi aged 17
Aged 16.
Looking back, who would ever guess that she would eventually be one of the greatest in the history of this sport.
You could see that even at age 16. The raw talent was simply off the charts.
She already then was highly touted and believed to have great potential.
Besides, she already was No. 3 in the world at the time.
Thanks for the upload. Great quality too for such an old match.
You're welcome.
Graf/Navratilova... Graf/Evert... Graf/ Seles... Graf/ Sabatini... Graf/Sanchez....... These all my favorite matches. 💖💖💖
Yes they played some great matches. Graf vs Navratilova are my favourite matches. The points were so fast. Both amazing athletes.
@@mcgoran100 agree with you... They both are fabulous players.. 😊👌👌💖
Steffi looked so cute, so nice, so modest and simple....It was the dawn of the greatest era of women's tennis !
@Max E and morally.
@Max E Now, she's GORGEOUS !
Watching a 50plus-year-old Steffi today make me think that she still has a bit of that girly cuteness from yesteryear about her. Even though her beauty and elegance are of course in the forefront today. If you know what I mean.
@@carrerau7138 Personally, I know only one thing : the passing of the years has no impact at all on her beauty and elegance. That's the asset of true and natural beauty. Both on the physical and moral sides.
@@McClernand4 Sadly this makes her a target for certain people who can‘t bear that their faves are inferior to Steffi in all departments - success in sports, character, physical beauty.
Back then Berlin was my favorite tournament to watch - already before the era of Steffi Graf.
Respect to Martina that she played in Berlin '86, where the risk of losing against Steffi for the very first time was the highest. Unforgettable match ...
Until then Martina had won 3 of 3 matches and 6 of 6 sets against baby Steffi who had managed to win only 2 games per set on average. So Navratilova could expect another easy win.
Thanks for uploading
Chris always said she could read Martina's emotions before a match.
If she was super confident in the locker room, then Chris knew she herself was in for heck of a match.
But if Martina was nervous or tentative, then Chris knew she had a shot of winning.
Martina was never good at hiding her emotions during a match.
Steffi must have read Martina was nervous in this match.
GRACIAS POR COMPARTIR ESTAS VERDADERAS JOYAS DE LA INIGUALABLE STEFFI GRAF LA MEJOR TENISTA DE TODOS LOS TIEMPOS DENTRO Y FUERA DE LA CANCHA. GRACIAS. SALUDIS DESDE ECUADOR
muy bien dicho, Martha ! Enhorabuena !
another decimating knock ahead of time at the start of her career by Steffi.. Champion Unplugged 👍👍
Really interesting match - I got the impression that Martina had underestimated Steffi here (Steffi had never beaten her before this) and she was surprised by Steffi's pace at times - it made Martina look slow to react to some shots. Martina also seemed seemed very mentally unfocused at times, her concentration coming and going. Steffi, on the other hand, played a really disciplined, consistent match.
Navratilova was incredibly negative, she shook her head after almost every point she didn´t win. Painful to watch, really.
T H I loved this Era. I loved serve & volleyers like Navratilova, McEnroe, Edberg & power baseliners like Graf & Lendl that pushed the game forward to the next generation, Becker, Sampras, Agassi & then to the newer generation & today's generation. You can see, watching Martina vs Steffi, how the older generation(Martina) wasn't used to the faster, heavier, harder hitting pace & weight of shot. As great an athlete as Martina was, she was not used to the pace & weight of Steffi's shots & court movement. And Steffi was used to dishing it out but not until Monica Seles' game came along was Steffi used to Receiving the same or even greater pace & weight of shot. I do believe Steffi Graf's superior athleticism would have been able to hang with today's game but it would not have been as easy as it was during her Era before pre-stabbed Monica Seles came along, in my opinion. I wish there was a "time" machine that could bring great players from different Eras together to compete against each another. I especially would have loved to see a few more great matches between Steffi Graf vs Serena Williams. They only played twice but both matches went 3 sets, 7-5 in the 3rd to the winner & they split the 2 matches. And matter that Steffi was a veteran & Serena was a rookie when they played vs one another, they both were/are extremely competitive champions & incredible athletes.
+Steven Michael Don´t forget Martina and Steffi had a pretty even h2h record, though. Considering Martina was way past her prime in most of those matches, for all we know we have to conclude that Martina was actually the greater champion. Her overall record also confirms that (59 Grand Slam titles to Steffi´s 23).
fundhund62 well that's the big debate, and I think it's always going to be subjective. You could argue that many of their early matches were when Steffi was nowhere near her best. Also Chris evert and Billy Jean King rated Steffi higher than Martina. All depends on your own personal opinion.
I actually don´t care who is "rated higher". The previous comment just sounded like Martina couldn´t handle Steffi´s game, and I just wanted to provide some facts to counter that impression. Although Martina was clearly behind her prime by the time 1988 rolled around, she could still hang with Steffi, and even beat her as late as 1993!
If there was one year when both were close to their best form, it was 1987, when they were 2-2, but Martina beat Steffi in two of their three Slam finals.
Big Graf ! Star n 1
Steffi lost against Evert in 85 . Martina was just stunned !
Steffi had just finished handing Evert a straight set loss at Hilton Head on green clay just a month prior to this.
The two greatest players of alltime for me.
1. Steffi Graf
2. Martina Navratilova
3. Margaret Court
4th and 5th between Evert & Serena
Yes, Steffi, Martina and Marge are the Big Three.
How can you name a homophobic person like Margaret Court a great person?
@@vield1 Many people even call Serena Williams great. Who definitely has a worse character than the a bit old-fashioned Marge.
Evonne Goolagong Billie Jean King 🤴 ♥️
In all fairness, Martina was struggling the first half of 1986 whereas Steffi was on a TEAR winning something like 5 or 6 clay court tournaments in a row after beating Chris at the Family Circle final.
Steffi's streak came to an end when Hana Mandlikova beat her in the Quarterfinal at French Open and she had to miss Wimbledon due to toe injury.
If this “fairness“ would only get applied when talking about Steffi‘s performances from spring 1990 on….
Ich habe das Spiel damals gesehen und war geflasht, hätte nie gedacht, dass daraus so eine Weltkarriere wird
Ich war mir nach dem Spiel sicher, dass Steffi #1 wird.
Hey Kevin thanks for posting-- its fun to see these lesser known matches-- any chance you may have the 1986 Womens US Open SFs (Graf v. Navratilova and Evert v Sukova?) cant find the former anywhere, would love to see it
US Open SF Graf vs. Navratilova: ua-cam.com/video/3n7qXV-vn9E/v-deo.html
Graf got two trophies!
Nice how the umpire said " Aufschlag Fräulein Graf" (Service Fräulein Graf) haha, never heard that of todays Matches
Ich erinnere mich daran, dass mein Vater vor 31 Jahren im Pfingstferien-Italien-Urlaub eine Bilddzeitung gekauft hatte - was er sonst nie tat. Vielleicht wegen diesem Match? Fragen kann ich ihn nicht mehr. Aber ich meine mich zu erinnern an die Schlagzeile: Navratilova weinte. Und die Pfingstferien waren genau zu diesem Turnier.
Grande Graf!!
Execept that champaigne ..Steffi got a lot of gift..lol
Martina's serve was really off....Martina has talked about this match- she cried after the match, not because Steffi beat her- she said she knew Steffi was the probable one to eventually replace her, her family was only 200 miles away and she couldn't see them because of the defection- it was on her mind the whole match...a couple months later- Fed Cup was played in Prague and it was her first time back home in 11 years- they had to agree to let her back in order to host the event.
What's funny about the Fed Cup in Prague was that the Czech crowds cheered more for Martina than their own during her matches there.
@@shihlin1 they knew their government was corrupt - Helena Sukova has said- to the people, Martina was a symbol of freedom, a hero.
In retrospect really finally seeing Martina as such a poor sport…grumpy, sullen, complaining.
graf must have been feeling very confident heading into the french as she had beaten evert for the first time on clay (well har-tru) and then navratilova on red clay for the first time as well... but then lost to mandlikova at the french who then lost badly to eventual champion evert in the semis, although hana had a injured finger that affected her play...
Steffi had a match point against Hana but even if she had won I don’t think anyone was going to beat Chris that year. She was brilliant against Martina in the last 2 sets.
@@mcgoran100 agreed... evert possibly could have won that match against graf as well on har=true clay in the states, 2 close sets, but evert led like 4-0 or something in the 2nd set, then again, this was the 1st time graf would win against evert and started her winning streak against evert..
"Steffi Graf is suffering from a mysterious virus and will miss the Wimbledon championship where she was seeded third.
The West German, who turned 17 last Saturday, has been suffering from high fever and a viral infection and cough since the French Open two weeks ago."
(L.A. TIMES ARCHIVES, JUNE 17, 1986 12 AM PT)
I wonder how steffi would have done if she'd been able to play Wimbledon in 1986. Very difficult to say - she was clearly improving massively but there were also still many serve and volleyers who could trouble her backhand, and she was still inexperienced on grass. I think Martina would have been too strong and I'm trying to think who else may have beaten her.
If Graf played Wimbledon in 1986 and she had to play Mandlikova, I would've favoured Mandlikova slightly considering where they were in their respective careers. Also, Hana played great tennis that year at Wimbledon.
She still would've lost.
A stronger Graf still lost to Navratilova a year later in 87 Wimbledon final.
It wasn't until Graf truly worked on her backhand that she finally beat Martina at Wimbledon in 88.
@@shihlin1I think Pam Shriver may have given Steffi a tough match too on grass then. Given that she beat Steffi at Wimbledon 1985, and at the end of 1986 she very nearly beat Steffi at the tour finals 4-6, 7-6 [5], 6-3 to Steffi.
The beginning of an era that Steffi dominated
376 weeks as world no 1
377!
Martina is frustrated. She is being outplayed by a future major rival and she knows how dangerous Graf is already by looking at her rise in the ranking and recent victory over Evert, but whats worse, she is two weeks away from playing RG and she is nowhere near where she needs to be in her preparation for that event. This is not the kind of tennis that she afford to play to beat Evert. As fate would have it, Martina was not particularly glorious in a tight two setter in the QF against Rinaldi, and she had more trouble against Sukova in the semis of RG who took her to three sets. Graf lost to Hana in the Quarters of the French.
Graf changed the name of the game
No, it is still called "tennis".
It took you quite a while!
Please, can someone translate what Steffi said.
John First in few words she said she never thought she could beat Martina, she thought Martina was still number one and she (Martina) did not have her best day. She also wanted to thank her sponsors, she named the first two and by the 3rd one she said “who else?” producing the laughters. That was Lufthansa
Je suis une future meurtrière. J'ai engagé un psychopathe pour me débarrasser de mon adversaire meilleure que moi : Monica Seles qui aurait battu tous les records dans le tennis féminin mondial. On ne souviendra pas de moi d'ici quelques décennies. Ma place est dans la géhenne.
@@Uns_Maps_8 Especially funny since Lufthansa was also her own endorsement partner.
After The Match, Navratilova Cried On Camera Because She Knew There Would Soon Be A Changing Of The Guard.
That was not the reason she cried. Educate yourself, please!
@@carrerau7138 You Make An Assertion Without Substantiating It. Unfortunately, This Cannot Be Taken Seriously.
@@M.EngelhART Martina played the Berlin tournament because it was the only tournament her parents back in the communist CSSR were able to watch on TV (German TV). When at the victory ceremony she mentioned this she was overcome with emotion.
@@carrerau7138 I Watched The Game Then And The Commentator Said What I Wrote Here.
@@M.EngelhART Probably an American commentator who didn’t even know what the CSSR was.
Marty's backhand more of a liability than Steffi's in this match. Steffi wasn't having any trouble pinning Marty to his backhand corner.
Rude handshake from Steffi. And didn‘t look Martina in the eyes!
🙂
I'm sorry but I think Martina behaved badly in this match especially considering how much older she was then Steffi. Steffi so cute trying to handle that big champagne 🍾 bottle.
Graf’s final standing across multiple open era record categories…record holder in parenthesis
Grand Slams
Most overall GS titles= no (Williams)
Most grand slam matches= no (Williams)
Most grand slam match wins= no (Williams)
Most consecutive slam titles= no (tie Court & Navratilova)
Most consecutive slam match wins= no (Navratilova…despite Graf having won the calendar year grand slam…LOLOLOL)
Most AO titles= no (Williams)
Most FO titles= no (Evert)
Most WO titles= no (Navratilova)
Most USO titles= no (Tie Evert & Williams)
Tournaments Overall
Most overall tournament titles= no (Navratilova)
Most tournament finals= no (Navratilova)
Most titles in a single season= no (Court)
Most consecutive finals= no (Navratilova)
Most consecutive years with one title= no (Navratilova)
Most matches & match wins= no & no (Navratilova)
Most titles on hard= no (Williams)
Most match wins on hard= no (Williams)
Most titles on grass= no (Navratilova)
Most match wins on grass= no (Navratilova)
Most titles on clay= no (Evert)
Most match wins on clay= no (Evert)
Most titles on carpet= no (Navratilova)
Most match wins on carpet= no (Navratilova)
Most titles indoors= no (Navratilova)
Most titles outdoors= no (Navratilova)
Most year-end championships= no (Navratilova)
Longest winning streak= no (Navratilova)
Longest winning streak on a single surface= no (Evert)
Highest career winning percentage= no (Evert)
Highest winning percentage in a single season= no (Navratilova)
Most matches played against the other GOATs= no (Evert)
Most match wins against the other GOATs= no (Evert)
Highest winning percentage against the other GOATs= no (Williams)
Hmmmmm….. tell us again how she’s the GOAT?
😱 I'm sure that's exactly what everyone cared about when Steffi and Martina played this match in Berlin back in 1986. 😲
Golden Slam.
Each slam won at least 4 times.
At least 3 slams in 5 different years.
At least 6 slams on every surface.
All-time records.
Serena has not even one.
@@carrerau7138 How can someone not be the best at grand slams, the best at tournaments overall, the best at any of the four grand slams, or the best on any surface and be considered the GOAT? It takes a bunch of double taking, lies, and a series of ordinal rankings to somehow catapult Graf from a bunch of 2nd-5th place (or worse) records to number 1.
@@jm7804 It is not about the best at one slam.
It is about the best on aggregate.
And there Steffi‘s all-time records come into play:
Golden Slam
at least 4 wins at every slam
at least 3 slams in 5 different years
at least 6 slams on every surface
21 slams in less than a decade
Those “open era record“ at this or that slam are nice. But of course inferior to Steffi‘s records. That is no rocket science, kid.
@@carrerau7138 "Serena has not even one." What EXACTLY are you referring to? Warning...I will make you look extremely silly and call you a liar depending on your response.
Only just realizing what a pouty, miserable person Martina was around court…with this disrespect for her opponents.
What BS....
Ooops, Stefi did it again to Navratalesbian.