The Magical Artifacts of A Song of Ice and Fire | Con of Thrones Recap
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- IOIAFCAST#4 In this podcast we discuss my recent visit to Con of Thrones which was held in Dallas Texas this year and the magical objects found in A Song of Ice and Fire.
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Quinn it's not surprising how much love you received. You're one of the most insightful you tubers, and I enjoy your content immensely.
It was great to see Quinn get the love :)
"Magic is complicated, magic has a price"
Ur voice is perfect for audiobooks
Random thought. Was Joramun a giant? All we know is that he was a king beyond the Wall and he helped take down The Night King. His horn was eight feet tall and I don't think humans were walking around with eight foot horns. Him being a giant seems like something the Maesters would leave out of the records.
Alicia Kingston Sam Tarly has the horn of joramum. In the books, it’s cracked and ghost found it at the fist of the first men.
@@YourGraceMyLady I've always thought that Sam's horn was the horn of Joramun the whole time too, I think it makes a lot of sense, especially contrasting to the horn that was burned that they thought was it.
J Arnett yeah, I can’t remember where I read that theory, probably on Reddit.
@@YourGraceMyLady It was my immediate thought when he found the horn, and I never really believed Mance's horn was the real one, I thought of it as a type of Last Crusade chalice thing.
@@YourGraceMyLady i thought the boat guy had a horn too...
In-depth theories literally chanted by a soothing voice: that makes you one of the best ASOIAF content creators here. Great job!
I had several thoughts/questions/side notes about this video
1. The finger bone bag mention by Mel has always concerned me. There is the implication of a serious misdirection being performed by until now a impeccably trusted character, Davos and a continually dubious character Mel. Im not sure that I have heard anyone fully address this, but like many of the elements of my comments below there is clearly a secret here hidden in plain sight and this is a worthy subject for a full video.
2. They were opening giants tombs because Joramun was a giant (they just should have been looking in Barrowton and not north of the wall) We have already been told in the world book that there are basically many races of man, some more closely related than others(being unable to produce genetically viable offspring as indicative of distant relation), and it is indicated heavily that there are different races of giants and children as well,( many of whom have seemingly vanished from Essos. There appears to be several distinct races living on Westeros dating from antiquity that have been conflated into three misunderstood generically labeled peoples, First Men, Giants, and Children. As explanation for our multitude of conflicting stories about the migration of the first men and their wars with the Giants and Children upon Westeros; I would argue that there would need to be several migratory events of multiple races all during or after the Empire of the Dawns intial colonization. Joramun was indeed the first king in the the north the first giant king and ruler over giants and men and children alike. Like the magics of Westeros,( Skin Changing and Green Sight are two seperate magics though we have been led to believe that they are either one in the same or one can lead to another), social drift, as defined by Dawkins, has warped history into legend and myth that combines with an over simplification of events to become an excepted truth. Similarly...
3. ......The children hunted with dragon glass because they became accustomed to using it. The history of the use of this material is not defined. We have assumed that they always used dragon glass because that was all that they were seen to use. But they were only recorded for a very small amount of time( compared to Leaf's supposed date of 1 million years, though I believe is hyperbolic like Cat and Arianne constantly defaulting to saying this whatever thing has been around for a thousand years is still indicative of a epoch spanning amount of time) and that time having overlapped with the threat of the others does not mean that they for their complete history used only dragon glass.
4. The Valyrians clearly made a mephistophelian deal for their power. We have always made the assumption that they controled their own fates but we hardly ever touch on the notion that they were being manipulated for another purpose. Perhaps the mines were a giant blood sacrifice that was meant to continue their powers, when that could no longer be maintained they were punished. The faceless men seem to know more about these events and we have manufactured elaborate assassination plots and grand conspiracies to explain their involvement. But what if they didnt kill the masters they killed the slaves to stop their pain. That seems to fit their notion of how death should work. Perhaps the Targaryens paid for the deaths of all the Valyrian slaves with their magics and that explains why they are neither dead or have the ability to use the old powers.....Like wise
5...... No one talks about the flip side to these prophesies and whether or not they should be for filled. It seems to me that most of these "heros" bring discord and destruction to one element or another. Yet this world exists in grand imbalance, the seasons and time are clear proof of that(There are time loops in this story,Tyrion experiences one on his river cruise) maybe the long night never ended. The world exists within the long night and these prophesies are are Dawkins drift of historical/future events that attempt its end, but have never in fact ended it,. Perhaps it is the in balance, the shifting powers and ebbing events, that creates a world where life as our characters know it can exist. Life is the journey kind of thing.....
Anyway sorry for the rambles. Thank you.
the finger bone thing concerns me too, but we've gotten pov chapters from Davos, so we seem to know he's him. but now that he's lost his pouch with his finger bones perhaps someone may impersonate him at some point.
@Jin if you actually had any trouble reading that, then you are the one that should be doing homework, rather than throwing insults over a simple UA-cam comment. It's not a fucking college essay.
wow and Shereen got that greyscale cleared up too.. shaya butter moisturizer?
Essential oils.
Yea brother had a great time. We tore that panel up. Great way to end the con. Much love my brother . see you on the flip side soon
Glad you had fun. If any horrible, nasty, monsters want to skip hearing about how much fun he had, skip to 9:40. But I can’t imagine why you would do that.
Well obsidian is actually a commonly used material for weapons and tools for civilizations that never discovered the more advanced forms of metallurgy (like forging). The Aztec and Mayans were big on obsidian. It may be brittle but the natural edge is sharper than anything else you could find at the time
Modern surgeons will sometimes use obsidian over scalpels because the cuts are finer. I believe specifically cardiovascular/neurosurgery
It's not that they didn't discover it, it's that they didn't live on lands rich in resources like malachite.
So glad you had fun at COT and might I mention how handsome you looked in your outfits.. Love all your videos.. thank you...
he looked so goofy wearing those hats LOOOOOOOL
Proud you took the high road and didn't say the person's name who was rude to you. If I subscribe to that person's channel, I would unsubscribe immediately. (Glad it wasn't Mark - Ser Hunt ... he's a favorite of mine.)
Seems like it wasn't a You-tuber. Could have been a forum moderator?? I'm not sure what other type of people would be on these panels??
Hi, I really like your videos and I agree with most of your ideas in this one, except for the part about obsidian. Obsidian is a very hard and sharp material, not brittle at all!
My Aztec ancestors used obsidian daggers to take out the hearts of people selected for human sacrifice, and it was a very swift and clean process, not as messy as one would think off, considering its just a stone tool, but according to some records, the whole operation used to take not more than a few seconds, it was fast enough that when the priests lifted the heart to show it to the people gathered below the temples, the heart was still beating.
Also the Aztec Eagle Warriors used a weapon called “macuahuitl”, which basically is a wooden club with obsidian blades (the same concept of a sword) and they were so sharp that they could decapitate a horse with a single blow.
Have a good day and keep up the good work!
Modern surgeons will sometimes use obsidian over scalpels because the cuts are finer. Also if you've never seen the "Deadliest Warrior" clip where they test out the macuahuitl, it's worth the watch!
A glass/crystal is generally brittle material, it could be made razord sharp but even that it could easily shatter given enough force. Otherwise how you gonna knapping it in the first place? Brittle mean something that is not malleable, can't be subjected to stress without significant plastic deformation. Can you bend obsidian? no you can't without it broke and shatter.
You said it's not brittle but then gave examples of it just being sharp. Also hilarious how you try to humanize human sacrifice like it wasn't savage behavior.
I always took it that Dany hatched the dragon eggs and released magic back into reality. I figured you could only light a glass candle if magical energies were reintroduced,so " the glass candles are burning to me meant that magic was a reality again. Great videos
Magick is about tapping into what is given. Once you’re tapped in, you can manipulate the physical laws of the Universe. We have access to the miracles and sacrifices that occur each day. The position of the celestials, the purity of the land. Sounds good to me!
where's my spooky opening? How can I enjoy an Ideas of ice and fire vid without my spooky opening?
George based the children using obsidian weapons off of the Aztecs who also used obsidian weapons, not many people realize that obsidian can be sharper than a scalpel.
You are one of my favorite asoiaf youtubers
Best thing to wake up and start your morning with. Thank you.
you and secrets of the citadel are my fav asoiaf youtubers.
I loved your outfits! Wish I could have gone but that Cersei art is beautiful!
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Damm Quinn...looking good great sense of style man
The Valyrians were required to pay a tribute to Asshai every hundred years, a very dear price, the blood of one of their Nobles. When the Asshai came to collect the last time the Valyrians had grown too arrogant with their power and no Noble was willing to sacrifice except the Targaryans. So it came to pass that the Targaryans were bid leave Valyria and the Asshai had their vengeance for being slighted.
Lol LmL 1:11
youre right you lookin good! Good outfit fits you very well
The line you quoted to Thormund about not finding the Horn of was actually said by Ygritte, she says it immediately after they make it to the top of the wall. Here's the quote:
"Not for fear!" She kicked savagely at the ice beneath her with a heel, chopping out a chunk. "I'm crying because we never found the Horn of Winter. We opened half a hundred graves and let all those shades loose in the world, and never found the Horn of Joramun to bring this cold thing down!"
-from A Storm of Swords, Chapter: Jon IV
19:02 - That's a weak disguise. The eye patch isn't gonna keep us from recognizing you...
*KHAL DROGO*
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Great to meet you Quinn!
I like that you used your normal speaking voice in this video and not your low ominous audiobook voice. Glad you had a good time at CoT. I'm jealous, I wanted to go so bad.
Martin's glass candles ( regarding communication = Tolkien's palantir (the glass globes or crystal balls)
Finally someone else who thinks lightbringer is just the uneducated recording of making of Valyrian still
I would have loved to see your panels but I was geographically impaired
Emilio Camacho Erice save a few of those purchase a pal live chat donations and ur there
Charles Waldon I didn't know that thank you
Always a pleasure to help
Same! Damn geography
Charles Waldon How do you do that? I'd really be interested! 😊
Your ASOIAF theory videos are inspiring. Whether or not the theories explored therein pan out, they are imagination-provoking.
Both they and your Dune videos (and 3BP videos) are highly articulate and very pleasant to listen to. Kudos to you!
Wow, your theory about tearing the Throne apart, and the people using the swords to defeat the greater evil is awesome. Augh, I wish the show would have had something similar. Super cool idea.
I love your content bro, your dedication really shines through every video, regardless of subject, and the eloquent way you convey some really intricate plots and themes is fascinating & riveting even through hour long videos, I stay enthralled. Plus no-homo but I love your voice!
So cool to hear that you had a good time at the con and folks appreciate your channel and passion for high quality fantasy.
I don't think it's weird that the children used obsidian for their weapons. If they don't have metal working knowledge then they are left with just stone, wood, and obsidian. While stone is much stronger it is also harder and more time intensive to carve. Obsidian on the other hand, while more fragile than stone, is also easier to chip and is much sharper. I think there is archeological evidence of pre iron age people using obsidian weapons in the real world.
Love the content, keep it coming, food for thought, and things I'd not even thought about before.
Enjoyed this very much! Loved all the Con of Thrones info as well. Have a lot to say but will have to wait. Great quality video as always!
Aaaareeaaaa lol loved your dragon binder
I wish I wasn't at school so I could watch this. I'll have to wait till I get home.
Damn, our boy Quinn looks fine as hell in his con looks
Excellent episode! Listening to LML has brought me here. I’ve caught a couple of your videos in the past as them came up in my UA-cam feed, because I consume a lot of ASOIAF/GOT material. But through listening to your readings and interaction with LML, and his recommending you, I’m planning to listen to a lot of your videos. You do have an excellent reading voice and I like your logic and ideas about the series.
I especially liked your idea in this video about how the Iron Throne might be used. I’ve heard ideas like that from others as well, and I think it would be an excellent use if it comes to pass.
It was a pleasure to meet you at Con & see the man behind one of my favorite channels. 🤗
Advice to my favourite UA-camr, don’t ever wear suspenders with a belt. It’s like wearing a tie with a bow tie.
About the possible reason for the creation of the horn of winter: my personal theory is that it was actually created by Bran the Builder along with the Wall (Joramur would have gotten his hands on it later either as part of his truce with Bran the Breaker or by simply finding it himself beyond the wall) it is a tried and well-liked trope that powerful magic artifacts are made with a deliberate weakness as a way of preventing anything else from destroying, like, the Wall could potentially be immune to even dragon fire or anything the others are capable of doing, but in exchange the horn needs to exist. Still not sure why it was beyond the wall instead of buried in some bottomless pit in the bottom of the ocean, other than the theory about the truce I reckon it might also be another requirement that the horn never stays too long south of the wall or even that it was done because there is some other requirement other than just blowing in it to bring the wall down, other common trope is that only someone who is from the line of the one to make the artifact can destroy it, so maybe only a Stark can use it to bring the wall down and so the Starks decided to hide it in the most inhospitable place they could find where the intended blower would be sure to see the hell he would unleash upon blowing as a way of stopping careless children from kickstarting the apocalypse and as a way of implicitly asking “Are. You. Sure?” before the blowing of the horn.
Just so you know, Quinn, obsidian blades have the sharpest edge ever made by man, that's why they're so brittle.
cchhyyeeaahh.. i wish I was there to see you with The Don Tony Teflon..
thanks for this video
Fernandez T we went in on that panel. Crowd was all about it. We were only missing Grey
Loved your outfits! Keep the fedoras, you wear then graciously!
David LIghtbringer had a theory that Melisandre might be turning into some kind of fire demon which is what the ruby hides. (Like in Star Wars how the dark side turns you into more dark looking). There's a passage in the book where she talks about not needing food anymore nor needing to sleep and her power is growing. So she's starting to become less human.
You rocked that fedora dude
Outfits on POINT!
For reference, in our world obsidian glass is actually one of the MOST desirable pre-metal cutting tools. It is insanely sharp (many surgeons insist on using obsidian instead of steel) which makes it a great cutting too. This is especially so in a pre-iron economy, as bronze cannot be sharpened anywhere near as sharp as obsidian can be, and while stone is cheap it similarly is an inferior product..
For reference, obsidian was one of the most traded items in bronze-age Mesopotamia, as well as pre-contact Mexico. The Aztecs used 'swords' edged in shards of obsidian called macuahuitls.
30:40 - 31:41 That is absolutely the most effective way Martin could possibly tie the major themes of the story together into a single resolution. I think it really all hinges on whether he decides to bring it all home as a brutally honest cynic's perspective on history, or as an allegorical statement about the potential of his idealism.
I’m glad you had a great time. Love your channel and hope to meet you next year! Cheers!
Love that theory about the Iron Throne, god I would love to see that happen
ya your dune videos are really good, and so are your game of thrones videos!
I’m sure you were one of the best dressed most well read person there!! You look great! I’m diggin the suspenders!! Right on!
There's a volcano up north somewhere. Obsidian, a type of volcanic rock, is readily available to the childfren of the forest. Winterfell is heated with hot water, suspiciously like a hot geyser water, which is found around volcanoes.
Dude your really really awsome you and grey have open my mind to things i would've normally not catched.Just so smart and deep and i appreciate you truly and l.m.l too can't leave him out.Kool you had good time.
Glad you had a great time. I wish I could go to COT. I never even knew there was such a thing! Maybe in the future.
First off I love you channel , second I’m reading a storm of swords and it was actually Ygritte who said they didn’t have the horn of winter
I always enjoy your channel ❤
Plus Samwell blowing the horn would tie in with Oldtown under attack by Euron Greyjoy... Samwell thinking of some help coming for that, causing him to Blow Horn of Winter.... Bringing Others destroying the Wall, in part or whole, and Winter coming in the Realm dancing with Euron's force too
Love these concepts, the nuance that the last seasons of the show has comepletely missed, nothing is black and white everything has it's price.
Next year C of Thrones won't allow myself to miss it
Great channel man, & yes like many I came across ur work with the Dune vids lol. But I just now got into Dune & ur vids showed me how amazing Dune really is. Now I know what my Dads been talking about for years now lol. But anyways, thx alot for ur work brother & I cant get enough of these lore vid. Well done... well done, especially on Dune lol
Awesome video. Love your voice. Glad you had fun at the con. Next year I want to go.
Please reach out and try to do a video of Preston Jacobs I think hearing your different perspectives together would be really great
Acktually, Obsidian is besides being briddle quite an awesome material for weapons and pretty much "carved stone", you should check out obsidian daggers on etsy, there are some neat and affordable ones.
I had heard of you before through other UA-camrs. But meeting you at the con cause me to sub immediately. And man, do I have a lot of content to catch up on😁❤👍
Love your vids, thank you for the work you put in.
You looked very handsome & stylin'. Sorry some people were less than respectful, but sounds like you had a great time despite them. Hope you get to go again next year :)
Civilizations without metallurgy ( think primitive man & meso America) used flint & obsidian to make blades & arrow points. In central & south America entire economies were built upon the mining & trading of obsidian. The COF had no technology & btw, obsidian *is* a rock. I always saw the COF as a stand in for Indigenous Peoples ( Native Americans, Africans, Pacific Islanders, etc) being invaded by Europeans somewhat mixed in with the native Celts/ Druids being invaded by the Romans. Plus they live in caves underground where obsidian is mined. So...idk. It's also possible that if the only weapon you had was dragon glass & you were going to conjure up a magical baddie that you might need to destroy later, you might make the magical baddie's weakness dragon glass.
1:28:00- “ I got to meet LML” and then you became roomies!
The thing u said about iron throne.... It will be awesome
IdeasOfIceAndFire, historically obsidian was used for combat. Mesoamericans lacking bronze or iron implanted sharp obsidian shards in the edges of large paddle like war clubs. They also made arrow heads and small micro knives from obsidian. But you are right in that obsidian was too brittle for something like the daggers as described in the books.
I love your channel!!!
Just a little something, I believe the horn is one of the few if not only ways to speak in the tongue of fire to charm or tame dragons not given at birth for the targarian race and the winter horn does the same but for Frost creatures. Lord of light vs the great other a way to use their gifts
You were great in the panel I watched, quiet but very intelligent and insightful! Lovely voice and accent! You read this in a fantastic voice! Please do audiobooks! I hated the 1980's Dune movie, but is you read the books, I might just enjoy them! 😊You're my type of geek! 😉😁
#BESTDRESSEDCONOFTHRONES2K18 for sure! Loved both of your panels i caught! Was great listening to you and partying! :)
I also would like to state i love all of your work and ideas, prolific doesn't even come close to defining you, i mean you made this video in texas ! great job buddy.
Obsidian can be made to be very sharp and it can be easily shaped into arrowheads and spear tips like flint, but obsidian is much harder than flint so the children could have just used obsidian because it was an easy to shape material that they had access to.
Note the associations of the two horns. On for ice, one for fire.
Not a flirter, but you looked great and have style. And FINALLY an articulate and educated person with impeccable grammar and pronunciation. I'm a linguist specialized in English and half American. If you see a typo in my messages, blame my fast typing and my Spanish spellcheck 😆). Again, I'm not a flirter. Please take this as a healthy compliment! Such a lovely voice. I'd pay you to record Martin's and Patrick Rothfuss' audiobooks. Mesmerizing. Again. Not flirting. Just stating a fact.
Mary Hill i dont even listen to audio books, but if he did the reading for any, I'd be down to listen.
yes! Beautiful voice and intelligence.
Why do you seem surprised that he is intelligent?
I’m more of a aSoIaF fan but I love your Dune videos. In fact, your videos got me to re-read Dune
what melisandre does to mance and rattleshirt reminds me of the thing the faceless men feel when they wear a new face
Loved the podcast, a little short, but loved it!
Just one thing. Obsidian was always used as a weapon of hunting and war (see Aztec clubs) for its absurd natural sharpness. This is especially seen in Latin America.
Perhaps Euron got the horn from the same place that Aerea Targaryen got her parasite, since both the horn and the parasite kill people by cooking them from the inside. It isn't unlikely that Balerion took Aerea to Valyria, so it gives Euron's claim of finding the horn in Valyria a bit of credibility in my opinion
Your dune series is really dope haha my roomie has to complete series so I had to borrow it after your videos
No music, no problem.
Never been to a con?! Dude where do you live lol. Glad to hear your first one was a blast man! I would totally have geeked out on you about Dune.
Thanks for the flash induced epileptic seizure.
Perhaps Mel’s ruby is from Old Valyria? Doubt she herself got it from there, but the unmistakable parallels to fire are notable, not to mention the mines in Valyria!!
But she says it was “made from shadows and suggestion”.... Perhaps the “shadows” were “bound” into the ruby, furthering its power? All speculation.
:o so cool to see what you look like! Great video , as ever.
From the glossiness, I don't think that's a cutting board. That looks like it's finished with lacquer or varnish or something. I would not use that for food prep. A cutting board would be finished with something like mineral oil that doesn't set or go rancid and it would feel a bit oily to the touch, which I bet it doesn't since your hat is sitting on it.
Dragonbinder at 15:10 . Let's talk about why a woman must blow it, "No mortal man" you can't get more of a Tolkien reference. I believe it's why the dusky woman was sent with Victarion. My theory anyway.
15:13 No Mortal Man - it will have to be a Targaryen Female with double XX riding genes. I’m not sure a Fyre, Wight, Greenseer, or Human could blow the horn without dying. It’s meant to sacrifice the person blowing the horn. It’s ancestor + magical person to hold the bond between the dragon soul and the human soul. Then you merge the two heads to one, the rider. 3 heads to the dragon. They need that horn to inact a new dragon bound.
Shoutout to the Mox Ruby thumbnail
Maybe the giants are sleeping within/beneath the Wall. I also like to think it's an ice Dragon, just for fun.
Just Found your channel, Love it...
I would like it if, in Spring, people melt down the throne and they use the steel for something useful for the good of the people/realm, like making spades, ploughs, hammers, saws, etc...,
The Undying: they drink (shade of the evening) and they know things! It's what they do.
What if Euron's horn awoke a dragon? From the Shivering sea, from the heart of winter North of the Wall? Not very possible, but if this happens, it will be very interesting.
Also, didn't the children not hunt for animal food? If that's true, the Others have been existing always. And the children hunted for them?
YES!!!! YES!!! I’be always felt that Valyrians necessarily aren’t so good.