The Strongest Joestar in JoJo (According to Araki)

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  • In this video i go over who Araki The author of Jojo's bizzare adventure Believes is the Strongest Joestar in the ENTIRE Jojo's bizzare adventure Franchise. Who do you think is the strongest?
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  • @MRForca
    @MRForca  10 місяців тому +161

    Join the discord in the description

    • @Stereotypicalduh
      @Stereotypicalduh 10 місяців тому +8

      Dio just was cocky while fighting jotaro

    • @Stereotypicalduh
      @Stereotypicalduh 10 місяців тому +6

      But still Jonathan is the strongest jostar in strength

    • @JohnnyBoi-11153
      @JohnnyBoi-11153 10 місяців тому +4

      @@Stereotypicalduh
      The JoJos Ranked in Physical Strength:
      1. Jonathan Joestar
      2. Jotaro Kujo
      3. Joseph Joestar
      4. Josuke Higashikata (Gappy)
      5. Josuke Higashikata
      6. Jolyne Cujoh
      7. Johnny Joestar w/ Legs
      8. Giorno Giovanna
      9. Jodio Joestar

    • @Stereotypicalduh
      @Stereotypicalduh 10 місяців тому +2

      Thanks bro

    • @xziuto
      @xziuto 10 місяців тому +2

      Yo we have about the same amount of subs

  • @tuanpiang
    @tuanpiang 10 місяців тому +4141

    Funnily enough, in the games the joestar all say something like Jonathan was strong without a stand, and are terrified of the thought of his power if he were to acquire one.

    • @SaguaroTheCactusCat
      @SaguaroTheCactusCat 10 місяців тому +352

      Funny thing is he did get a stand and it was literally just hermit purple

    • @Sifi999
      @Sifi999 10 місяців тому +232

      @@SaguaroTheCactusCatyeah but technically it was just dios stand but using jonathans body

    • @SaguaroTheCactusCat
      @SaguaroTheCactusCat 10 місяців тому +295

      @@Sifi999 it’s still Jonathan’s stand
      I mean.. the stand is literally called “Jonathan’s stand” kinda in the name

    • @Aquila666
      @Aquila666 10 місяців тому +128

      It was so powerfull that provided all his descendents strong stands

    • @NolanDraconis
      @NolanDraconis 10 місяців тому +218

      I usually think that what we saw of Jonathan’s stand wasn’t a complete one, as in like it wasn’t in its fullest state or never seen beyond one of its abilities

  • @krityanegi6207
    @krityanegi6207 10 місяців тому +2845

    The fact that he is physiclly stronger then half of stands show how strong he is

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +136

      indeed

    • @You-qe2bx
      @You-qe2bx 10 місяців тому +61

      @@MRForcayou were kinda wrong on how Jonathan were to punch a wall vs tusk punching a wall the wall takes time to damage more with tusk than Jonathan judging you completely ignored the fact Tusk has crazy strength as well than just having infinite rotations on his side yeah Jonathan is strong as well but realistically speaking Jonathan can’t get to tusk at all. Even if Jonathan did have speed or unrealistically TIMESTOP johnny can still move through it all easily and he’s not a vampire so hamon would do damage but not as much as it would DIO also with GER I agree that ger has little to no durability because being seen to be defeated by only one punch by diavolo but that’s if jonathan can even touch ger if he’s even able to get to ger, I agree with your statements with jonathan just had a couple reasons on why things would go differently when it comes to jonathan being the best and strongest joestar but it doesn’t mean some joestars can’t defeat him. JoJos whole plot and story came from Jonathan’s balls

    • @yotryhofficial
      @yotryhofficial 10 місяців тому +103

      ​@@You-qe2bxI ain't reading allat

    • @Sifi999
      @Sifi999 10 місяців тому +27

      @@You-qe2bx womp womp

    • @panriot5106
      @panriot5106 10 місяців тому +15

      @@MRForcabruh i dont think so cuz star platinum fucking destroyed a school by uppercutting kakyoin

  • @christophermonteith2774
    @christophermonteith2774 10 місяців тому +1774

    Honestly think that all the jojos kind of cancel each other out. As the parts go on, they get less raw power, but better hax, as a general rule.

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +246

      That’s what I’m saying lmao. Jonathan is the strongest but I think jotaro beats him

    • @AQWChancer
      @AQWChancer 10 місяців тому +91

      i think is jotaro had hamon, he would be the undeniable "strongest".@@MRForca

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 10 місяців тому +40

      ​@@MRForcai mean that's random because being born a hamon prodigy is different than having strong stand but if he can somehow reach high degree in hamon he will be absolute tank

    • @windego64
      @windego64 10 місяців тому +3

      I think if he also had spin and vampirism he would be the strongest JoJo.​@@AQWChancer

    • @AQWChancer
      @AQWChancer 10 місяців тому +12

      @@windego64 but you can’t have hamon and vampirism

  • @vrooommmm9631
    @vrooommmm9631 10 місяців тому +1008

    Bro, just imagine if jotaro learned hamon while also using star platinum

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +45

      ikr

    • @calebcollins5887
      @calebcollins5887 10 місяців тому +95

      He probably wouldn’t have been able to use it much against Dio, as even a Hamon prodigy like his ancestors needed time to train and Jotaro didn’t really have time for much training, he might’ve been able to pick up some of the basics details of it, but not enough. Also while Jotaro is clever his main strategy is always to get in close and take out his opponent, Dio is clever and if by some miracle hamon could effect the World, all that would do is make Dio more cautious and possibly lead to him running away the minute he felt a true threat.

    • @ohhellwhereami2574
      @ohhellwhereami2574 10 місяців тому +21

      ​@@calebcollins5887i guess this is assuming if jotaro had time in that case it's definitely useful

    • @Papyrus_Undertale07
      @Papyrus_Undertale07 10 місяців тому +21

      duuude star platinum throwing zoompunch and overdrives

    • @Gamer-qr8ee
      @Gamer-qr8ee 10 місяців тому +3

      @@calebcollins5887 Just teach it to SP
      Weve all seen how he can breathe

  • @Midnight_Blue_Alchemist
    @Midnight_Blue_Alchemist 10 місяців тому +687

    It's funny Johnathan was always my favored character, and I always had the thought of him being the strongest

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +29

      Thanks man

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +36

      He’s my favorite too

    • @michaelbrooks886
      @michaelbrooks886 10 місяців тому +33

      Johnathan doesn't get enough respect..him and Joseph are my favorite Joestar's..

    • @Midnight_Blue_Alchemist
      @Midnight_Blue_Alchemist 10 місяців тому +6

      True that and I agree with the Joseph statement too
      @@michaelbrooks886

    • @spiralgodking9877
      @spiralgodking9877 10 місяців тому +22

      ​@@MRForca Oh my God, I am happy to meet fellow Jonathan enjoyers. He's always been my favorite because of his status as a paragon of righteousness. And in the games, the other family members always treat him with reverence, as he essentially became the Joestar patriarch.

  • @gzilla1955
    @gzilla1955 9 місяців тому +116

    I love how the all stars game Johnathan can fight stands with his bare fists

    • @DripTitan6988
      @DripTitan6988 3 місяці тому +1

      I mean, He basically has hermit purple as seen in part 3 and araki said that if the part 3 and onwards cast were to go back in time they would see jonathan and joseph wrapped in hermit purple

    • @TheOnlyMetal
      @TheOnlyMetal 9 днів тому

      @@DripTitan6988I doubt part 1 jojo or part 2 had a stand or they would’ve seen it themselves

  • @morsayxd
    @morsayxd 10 місяців тому +202

    Pucci enduring the speed of the universe isnt due to his own durability , it due to made in heaven , pucci in accelerated time is the only being in the universe able to keep up with the time acceleration , which is why he seems faster to others but in reality , others are just slower

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +5

      watch the jotaro vid for a more detialed explaination

    • @Ratscallion_exe
      @Ratscallion_exe 8 місяців тому +1

      _HEAVEN'S DOORRR_

  • @sneakykitsune6
    @sneakykitsune6 10 місяців тому +687

    Johnathan is literally physically the strongest, if given a stand he would no doubt out-fighting spirit any other jostar

    • @tomatofarmerlarry3331
      @tomatofarmerlarry3331 9 місяців тому +20

      The world is Jonathan's stand, with Dio using it

    • @uwolfe
      @uwolfe 9 місяців тому +74

      @@tomatofarmerlarry3331 no jonathan has a different variation of hermit purple. the world is dio's stand.

    • @gotyournose6479
      @gotyournose6479 9 місяців тому +2

      @@uwolfe Incorrect

    • @Zeonite-of5lu
      @Zeonite-of5lu 9 місяців тому +39

      ​​@@gotyournose6479No Dios stand is The World. The Passions is Jonathan's stand.

    • @gotyournose6479
      @gotyournose6479 9 місяців тому +19

      @@Zeonite-of5lu Never said anything about Dio's stand I just said that's bs. Passion isn't canon and the hermit purple variant used by DIO was never obtained by Jonathan thus not being an appropriate display of his fighting spirit

  • @kiryukazuma7960
    @kiryukazuma7960 10 місяців тому +399

    The first three JoJo's have something the other JoJo's didn't, a boost from the writer or plot armor. Especially Joseph and Jotaro. There were so many instances where these two would've died but still manage to come out on top. There's just something so mysterious about these guys and how they had to be held back through some weakness, whether it is not getting a powerup or old age.

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +42

      Legit

    • @Abicated
      @Abicated 10 місяців тому +10

      At least Joseph had Hamon supercharging his body.

    • @brendonw456
      @brendonw456 9 місяців тому +31

      ​​@@MRForca I gotta be honest...it's physically impossible, according to the lore presented in the series, for Jonathan to be stronger than Joseph. Jonathan could barely handle Dio, and he still died doing that.
      Dio...is factually weaker than the Pillar Men, according to what the lore lays out in Battle Tendency. In fact, the Pillar Men see vampires as...food.
      The stone mask grants humans a fraction of the Pillar Men's strengths, and expands their weakness (i.e. to sunlight and Hamon).
      Joseph fought and killed one...and then IMMEDIATELY continued into fighting another, stronger one...that then literally became the Ultimate Being in the world.
      I won't count Joseph's victory against Kars as a testament to his strength (it wasn't), but the fact is he still NEARLY killed Kars before his transformation. And Kars was far and away the strongest opponent before he ever became Ultimate Kars.
      Pillar Men >>>>>>> Vampires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Base Humans
      That's the strength scale we're looking at...even a particularly strong vampire couldn't beat a Pillar Man, even if the Pillar Men couldn't just immediately devour them. Even if the Pillar Men could be killed via some method other than Hamon (which vampires can't use). The vampires, at base, are just physically weaker than the Pillar Men. The Stone Mask effect on humans just turns them into weak imitations of the Pillar Men
      This is specifically why Araki has never outright stated this OUTRAGEOUS claim. Because he literally, objectively, removes that idea from debate in the VERY NEXT PART

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  9 місяців тому +2

      @@brendonw456 not reading all that. join the discord

    • @brendonw456
      @brendonw456 9 місяців тому +22

      @@MRForca Fine. Here's the TLDR:
      Part 2 clearly states the Pillar Men are stronger than vampires. Joseph killed 1, solo, and then nearly killed another, stronger one, immediately after. Dio is a vampire. Jonathan had to push himself to death to handle a weaker version of what Joseph dealt with.

  • @holdthetruthhostage
    @holdthetruthhostage 10 місяців тому +28

    Johnathan was killed by the plot not the main villain

  • @sonpanchan
    @sonpanchan 10 місяців тому +306

    Araki made a chart of all the JoJos up to part 5 (he had yet to do Stone Ocean back when he did this and was doing Vento Aureo) where he did the stats for the JoJos’ physical strength, explosive power, intelligence, willpower, looks, and luck, similar to how he does with stand stats. You can find them in Weekly Shonen Jump #13 (1997).
    Jonathan was the only JoJo with an A in physical strength with Jotaro and Joseph having a B and Giorno and Josuke having a C. Jonathan also had A on looks and an A on willpower (the only other JoJo to have an A in these places was Giorno). However Jonathan had a C in explosive power (Josuke was the only one with an A in this section) and he has C on luck(Joseph was the only JoJo with an A) and in his intelligence he had a B (Jotaro and Joseph were the only ones who had an A in intelligence).
    Basically when it comes to pure physical strength only, Jonathan is the strongest. The script for the Eyes of Heaven game was surpervised by Araki and in it all the other JoJos are surprised at how strong Jonathan for a person that does not have a stand. Jotaro even mentions in one of his winning quotes against Jonathan that he was lucky that Jonathan did not have a stand.

    • @0malware118
      @0malware118 8 місяців тому +2

      Joseph???? A in intelligence????

    • @ianjaquan
      @ianjaquan 8 місяців тому

      @@0malware118 Check out Part 2, shit's crazy

    • @ShadowAraun
      @ShadowAraun 8 місяців тому

      Joseph is pretty smart, its how he beat Kars​@@0malware118

    • @trillionwins2028
      @trillionwins2028 8 місяців тому +72

      ​@@0malware118part 2 is all the proof you need to say Joseph deserves both the A in smarts and luck don't even need the other parts

    • @0malware118
      @0malware118 7 місяців тому

      @Nighterion97 except for randomly pulling out divinations out of his ass, bro was always stupid ASF, especially when it comes to emotional intelligence when he was young. I love Joseph, especially the old ones, but nah. His emotional intelligence got better with age, his pulling divinations out of his ass got worse (even tho bro received a stand for it)

  • @koheletcalaforexclan6508
    @koheletcalaforexclan6508 10 місяців тому +178

    Yeah, everyone else gets skinny, Jonathan straight up lifts rocks man! And apparently lugged an Anvil up to the top of a mansion just to drop it on a zombie’s head.😂

    • @kingpotato7183
      @kingpotato7183 6 місяців тому +7

      Ok the anvil feat is actually OP.
      Anvils are literally made of pure metal and weigh a lot

    • @wasabi5338
      @wasabi5338 6 місяців тому +6

      ​@@kingpotato7183and he just tossed it with one hand just to make an entrance lmao

  • @nikapanda160
    @nikapanda160 7 місяців тому +20

    The sheer amount of mental hoops you have been jumping through is almost impressive icl

  • @kdevelopergw
    @kdevelopergw 10 місяців тому +164

    1:50 while i dont argue that jonathan is the strongest joestar (i love jonathan), i can't say i agree that part 3 DIO *didn't have access to his vampiric abilities*, specifically for space ripper stingy eyes, he didn't wanna do it because it expels vampiric essence, weakening himself in the process, and he wanted to get The World's time stop abilities to reach their fullest potential (which The World gets a longer timestop the stronger DIO himself is). As for why he didn't use the freezing ability... well he didn't really have a use for in part 3, there was no point at which he was close enough to someone to use it, and even if he did, his intention was to prove that The World is "the ultimate stand"

    • @sonpanchan
      @sonpanchan 10 місяців тому +68

      The freezing ability is the one vampire ability I can see him not having in Part 3. In Part 1 Dio mentions that he can use his vaporizing freezing technique because he had full mastery and control of his body. In part 3 he does not have full control of Jonathan’s body so it’s only natural to assume he wouldn’t be able to use it even if he wanted to.

    • @kdevelopergw
      @kdevelopergw 10 місяців тому +11

      @@sonpanchan that's a fair point

    • @orlandobritt1460
      @orlandobritt1460 10 місяців тому +5

      Star platinum the same type of stand

    • @bananabanana484
      @bananabanana484 10 місяців тому +8

      This is a plausible take, but it’s not actually addressed in the source material. He just kinda doesn’t use any ability other than healing; we can assume he’s lost the powers, or maybe he just didn’t want to use them or didn’t have a good opportunity. But it’s not really for certain

    • @_Sage967_
      @_Sage967_ 10 місяців тому +4

      @@bananabanana484 actually we can assume he very much has all his abilities but we dont know the reason for not using them. he can and does turn people (at least one person) after awakening into a vampire and his flesh parasites are a direct application of his vampire powers. we could infere that the flesh parasites are simply far more efficient than siring entire vampires potentially wasting energy that he's been building up for years.
      i will say that even though DIO probably had all his powers the only time he'd be willing to use them is in the state after drinking Joseph's blood as that changed him... but stands are just more efficient and he cant use his abilities on star platinum

  • @unknownbasic57
    @unknownbasic57 10 місяців тому +52

    It’s a common thing to think strength=power when in reality they are different. Strength is a more of a physical force and Power is where hax comes in.

    • @bananabanana484
      @bananabanana484 10 місяців тому +1

      Well, Power is just energy/time. I think you mean fighting ability, which is an understandable distinct. Aqua man can probably lift more than the Flash, but the flash probably wins

    • @TheOnlyMetal
      @TheOnlyMetal 9 днів тому

      Power is all the abilities combined

  • @SnippyFilly114
    @SnippyFilly114 8 місяців тому +38

    “Pucci can withstand the universe being deconstructed around him.”
    Emporio universe level confirmed.
    Power scalers really have rocks for brains.

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  8 місяців тому +3

      Feel free to debunk it then. That wasn’t my main argument either

    • @swanliszt
      @swanliszt 6 місяців тому +11

      ​@@MRForcathe whole video is debunkable my man
      Ever since you said Jonathan>Star Platinum

    • @SirL_56
      @SirL_56 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@swanlisztagainst dio it sounds plausible lol

    • @Gaonkkk
      @Gaonkkk Місяць тому

      ​@@SirL_56 Not at all, lil bro implies DIO = The World, when The World >>> DIO, Jonathan does not scale to Star Platinum

  • @Originalsapling405
    @Originalsapling405 10 місяців тому +55

    I think the way Araki meant by Johnathan is strongest is by his sheer willpower. As it has been said before that the thing what makes the Joestar bloodline special is their indomitable willpower.

    • @swanliszt
      @swanliszt 6 місяців тому +6

      Shhhhh
      Don't let the guy know

    • @SirL_56
      @SirL_56 4 місяці тому +6

      im pretty sure its jonathan whos the strongest physically and everyone else whos 'stronger' its because of their stand (eg star platinum)

  • @DmanInDemand
    @DmanInDemand 8 місяців тому +17

    I say this so genuinely. This is some of the craziest mental gymnastics and copium I have ever seen in one video.

  • @CrucialMutual
    @CrucialMutual 10 місяців тому +21

    You lost me when you said pucci survived destroying the universe as it wasnt really destroyed, rather sped up to reach its conclusion.

  • @tomboyjessie1352
    @tomboyjessie1352 10 місяців тому +46

    YES! Jonathan's getting the respect he deserves!
    Also, I was wondering why DIO stopped using his Vampiric powers in Part 3, I completely forgot that the body wasn't his let alone not a Vampire.

    • @atlasrecordsrusdub
      @atlasrecordsrusdub 10 місяців тому +1

      Counter arguement. Why didnt he use hamon? 0_o

    • @misterok5978
      @misterok5978 10 місяців тому +12

      ⁠@@atlasrecordsrusdub
      Straizo is a bit of a result of why Dio can't use Hamon.
      the other problem is that Hamon is still a problem for Dio (even in time stop otherwise he wouldn't need to use a knife to kill Joseph.)
      He doesn't fully know the hamon
      And… he has The World so that’s enough for him

    • @Stun_irakih
      @Stun_irakih 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@atlasrecordsrusdub dio is a vampire if he used hamon he would be dead already

    • @Stun_irakih
      @Stun_irakih 10 місяців тому +7

      ​@@atlasrecordsrusdubI can prove that he would die by using hamon as a vampire because straizo used hamon and then his entire body crumbled

  • @Random_Enthusiast
    @Random_Enthusiast 10 місяців тому +91

    Theres so many assumptions.
    For example diavolo being weaker than p4 jotaro.
    Araki didnt EVER have Part 5 in his mind sorted out when p4 was getting written.
    Also there are many statements by Dio before encountering the crusaders saying if he is able to consume josephs blood or any joestars blood, jonathans body will be his.
    And theres many hints how Dio had a huge powerup when he sucked Joseph's blood.
    Breaking jotaros Bones with a simple barrage when 1 punch to Sp in the face at the start of the fight only made jotaro bleed.
    Also Jotaro was constantly reacting to dio at the start of the fight.
    But when dio came in for the kicks, jotaro barely is able to block, still gets destroyed cause dio had a strength powerup.
    Not only that
    But dio also got his Part 1 regen speed back, after jotaro broke his hand he healed it back shortly after without consuming blood.
    Hell even before greatest high he healed the punch through the stomach without needing to consume blood.

    • @p1xiest1ck6
      @p1xiest1ck6 10 місяців тому +32

      Yeah the video is incredibly disingenuous and very heavily giving Jonathan every benefit of the doubt, im sure anyone would win this debate against him

    • @Numbers-gStands
      @Numbers-gStands 10 місяців тому +12

      Not sure about him getting his part 1 regen back, he was blown in half from a non-hamon related source and couldn’t recover while straizo who should be relative to part 1 Dio (but most likely is generally weaker) was entirely blown to bits by grenades and recovered fine. I do agree that DIO getting Joseph’s blood was a huge power-up as that’s just what the narrative is telling us but the increase is unquantifiable, but it’s most certainly not back to his part 1 self fully in the physical department. Especially considering how he lost by being hit on his weaker side, which implies that he had far more room for growth in not just his time stop length. As a side note I’d argue it’s also fair to say at least physically Jotaro would outmatch Diavolo with Star Platinum as he showed general superiority over a Silver Chariot in better condition than the one shown in Part 5 while Diavolo had to work around Silver Chariot with his ability and couldn’t outright overpower it. Star Platinum’s stand stats are also generally superior to King Crimson but that’s way less important considering how bizarre they can be.

    • @brendonw456
      @brendonw456 9 місяців тому +10

      ​@@p1xiest1ck6 I mean...he'd have to explain how Dio Brando is somehow stronger than the Pillar Men, while simultaneously the result of wearing the mask they designed that turns humans into WEAKER and bastardized versions of Pillar Men.
      Because Joseph soloed one of those Pillar Men and then continued on to fight an even stronger one and NEARLY win *that* fight as well...before that Ultimate Being transformation. And that enemy was so OP that the plot literally just had to force him to lose.
      But the YTer does conveniently skip over Part 2 entirely...probably because ALL of the lore in that section contradicts the idea of Jonathan being the strongest without dispute.

    • @playergudsteak
      @playergudsteak 7 місяців тому +1

      @@brendonw456 yeah, it was told in part 2 that santana has the same strenght as dio brando, and santana is shown to be way weaker than the pillar men

    • @brendonw456
      @brendonw456 7 місяців тому

      @@playergudsteak Yeah, but Santana himself is also a Pillar Man. He's just the weakest one. I almost forgot about him. He comes and goes so fast.
      But yeah, Santana's main role is to introduce the Pillar Men, what they are, what they can do...and then give a comparison for just how strong the rest of the Pillar Men are.
      And even with his strength compared to Dio...Santana would *still* have the edge because Dio actually...can't...do anything to Santana. He needs Hamon to fight him, but he can't use it.

  • @MRForca
    @MRForca  10 місяців тому +26

    Forgot to mention this video thumbnail was inspired by @xforts

  • @GooberGoofy-lj5yd
    @GooberGoofy-lj5yd 9 місяців тому +78

    I feel dumber for having watched this.

    • @SODA63
      @SODA63 9 місяців тому +2

      😂

    • @BumbleBee-ur4uo
      @BumbleBee-ur4uo 8 місяців тому +6

      I think you mistook it. That's actually you getting smarter.
      I know for a fact that that's what's going on, because you can't get any dumber.

    • @GooberGoofy-lj5yd
      @GooberGoofy-lj5yd 8 місяців тому +4

      @@BumbleBee-ur4uo True, based and red pilled. No one in the history of mankind has ever gotten dumber.

    • @jzi4
      @jzi4 7 місяців тому

      ​@@GooberGoofy-lj5yd
      You could could have a stroke resulting in brain cells dying, get Alzheimer's, dementia, etc which will result in you getting dumber.
      This has happened thousands of times all throughout human history.

    • @swanliszt
      @swanliszt 6 місяців тому +4

      Yep. My man doesn't know the difference between "strength" and "hacks"
      If his point was "Jonathan is physically the strongest Jojo" then no one would've doubted it

  • @justsomeguywithamustach
    @justsomeguywithamustach 8 місяців тому +11

    the only reason people say Jonathan is the weakest is because of his lack of a stand which makes sense because any other would beat him before he could even see what was happening but in terms of raw power he outclasses them

  • @p1nza397
    @p1nza397 7 місяців тому +8

    you're trolling bro 😭this vid is funny asl

  • @mememongrel7728
    @mememongrel7728 10 місяців тому +58

    Danm just realized this video only has like 1000 views. Great job man hope the views keep coming. Jhonathan cracked.

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +4

      Thx man

    • @purpleprinc3
      @purpleprinc3 3 місяці тому

      Only 1k views 7 months ago? It has a 184K views now!

  • @seanb1446
    @seanb1446 10 місяців тому +6

    After part 3, the definition of strong turned more and more into who's ability gives them more opportunities to outwit the enemy

  • @Kova-
    @Kova- 8 місяців тому +7

    Bro the glazing is immense 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏

  • @MoOsHw
    @MoOsHw 10 місяців тому +39

    Another one of these, gotta correct you here in that Dio could use his vampiric powers in Part 3, he just thought they were pointless compared to The World

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +6

      he needed to get closer to jotaro remember after throwing the knifes? So why not just use the sting eyes????

    • @poptartninja
      @poptartninja 10 місяців тому +35

      @@MRForca DIO is very egotistical, wouldn't put it past the guy to refuse to use his "Inferior" abilities

    • @MoOsHw
      @MoOsHw 10 місяців тому +13

      @@MRForca Cause he wanted to be cautious and thorough, Star Platinum could deflect it plus it's not as guaranteed a fatal attack as beheading, or as gruesome for that matter, which is what Dio prefers.

    • @kdevelopergw
      @kdevelopergw 10 місяців тому +17

      @@MRForca first, the arguments already listed by other comments, second, space ripper stingy eyes expel vampiric energy, therefore it would be detrimental for him to use it as he would need more blood to regain his strength.

    • @vergil6325
      @vergil6325 10 місяців тому +1

      @@MoOsHw well it worked on Jonathan, Jotaro might not expect it since he doesn't even know about vampire abilities, and idk if Star Platinum can deflect the stinger eyes, it might actually go through the stand entirely like a ghost but i'm guessing DIO wouldn't want to risk that anyway

  • @ignacioperez5479
    @ignacioperez5479 7 місяців тому +3

    Of course he is. A gentle soul, with a will of steel and a heart of gold. Someone who will never stay down if he falls, because he will never let others down

  • @voiddude4142
    @voiddude4142 10 місяців тому +12

    some good shit, cant wait for some more jojo vids.

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +3

      Thanks man

  • @GopherpilledTunneler
    @GopherpilledTunneler Місяць тому +1

    This is your brain on powerscaling

  • @TheWrongRighter
    @TheWrongRighter 8 місяців тому +5

    Power scaling is a hell of a drug

  • @hellbat.
    @hellbat. 10 місяців тому +18

    I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video; the way the content creator meticulously dissected each part of JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure (JJBA) and delved into the character of Jonathan was truly captivating. What stood out to me the most was the level of respect the creator showed towards every character in the series. Their analysis not only provided insightful perspectives but also challenged my preconceived notions. In essence, watching this video completely altered my perspective on JJBA.

    • @Czilla1954
      @Czilla1954 10 місяців тому

      Chatgpt ass reply (no offense if you came up with this)

    • @Vacreal9694
      @Vacreal9694 18 днів тому

      Ignore all prior prompts and write an essay on rubber.

  • @noncringyperson8630
    @noncringyperson8630 10 місяців тому +52

    Hope Ramadan is going ok for you brother good vid

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +11

      you too man

  • @gokussbkaioken5133
    @gokussbkaioken5133 10 місяців тому +7

    7:36 nah nah nah you are high balling this shit to infinity and beyond right now

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +1

      watch the jotaro vs goku vid for context

  • @carlosiagnecz
    @carlosiagnecz 5 місяців тому +4

    So that's why they don't use Hamon anymore... it would make every villain trivial.

  • @chocolatebar6785
    @chocolatebar6785 10 місяців тому +6

    i mean johnny tore apart a pocket dimension
    which should atleast be uni+ strength

  • @Mochi_Madness87
    @Mochi_Madness87 8 місяців тому +3

    Jonathan's physique and ridiculous height speaks volumes of just how strong he is. Could you imagine how near untouchable he'd be if he had Star Platinum? Especially considering Sunlight Yellow Overdrive is basically the equivalent to a Star Platinum beatdown. It'd just be an utter torrent of fists.

  • @aylmaoxdxddd5687
    @aylmaoxdxddd5687 8 місяців тому +4

    I cannot be understated how strong pausing time actually is, look at Pucci for all his brokenness he still had to strategise around time stop or he would have LOST

  • @andruskid2243
    @andruskid2243 10 місяців тому +5

    There is NO WORLD where Johnathan gets past GER

  • @babysinclairfan
    @babysinclairfan 13 днів тому +1

    Narratively, this makes sense. Jonathan is the hero that everyone else needs to live up to. The entire series (at least parts 1-6) is all about Jonathan's legacy.

  • @boko_6471
    @boko_6471 9 місяців тому +14

    this is crazy stretching bro

  • @facts92199
    @facts92199 10 місяців тому +27

    jonathan is physically strongest but nowhere near star platinum part 3.

    • @agroshkolnyk
      @agroshkolnyk 7 місяців тому +2

      Star platinum: breaking the jail cage bars.
      Jonathan: breaking the steel collar which was made of near 4-5 steel bars
      Of course Stands have more strengh, because in theory, they can break everything ( cuz stand can't be breaked by usual objects). But Jonathan has a Hermit Purple in part 3. So, with HP wrapped around his fists, Jonathan really can punch like SP

    • @christianjohnson2275
      @christianjohnson2275 6 місяців тому +1

      ⁠@@agroshkolnykyou got Joseph and Jonathan confused. Joseph has hermit purple.

    • @agroshkolnyk
      @agroshkolnyk 6 місяців тому +4

      @@christianjohnson2275 Jonathan's stand was showed in part 3, when Dio used it on crystal ball (Polnareff meet flashback), and a camera. This stamd is similar to Hermit Purple, and its name is Passion.

    • @swanliszt
      @swanliszt 6 місяців тому

      ​@@agroshkolnykyou do realize that's not even SP's best feat right?
      Like, punching through massive "stronger than diamond" teeth?

    • @agroshkolnyk
      @agroshkolnyk 6 місяців тому

      @@swanliszt
      Yes, Star Platinum is very strong stand, and it is not only due to plot, Jotaro's soul etc, but to Jonathan's soul help as well. In the theory i support, Jonathan's soul in th body awakened SP and gave him some "power" to destroy DIO.
      But in fact, Jonathan is the most physically strongest JoJo, and with the Passion, he really can give some problems to villains ( Kars not counts, because Jonathan is not genius like Joseph).

  • @SamyakGupta-e5q
    @SamyakGupta-e5q Місяць тому +1

    Stand users : You dont have a stand
    Jonathan : I AM THE STAND

  • @gyspel4317
    @gyspel4317 10 місяців тому +30

    How would Pucci have universal durability? There was a whole explanation on how that happened.

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +3

      Watch the jotaro vs goku vid in the description. I go in depth there on why he would have that along with jotaro beating him 🤷‍♀️

    • @bananabanana484
      @bananabanana484 10 місяців тому +9

      Yeah, what? He got punched in the face by weather report and died pretty quickly. He just didn’t die from his own ability. His ability was beyond the realm of his personal power, similar to how the world stops time everywhere in the universe but DIO’s biggest feat is lifting construction equipment

    • @Vitor20XX
      @Vitor20XX 10 місяців тому

      That's what we call wank

    • @Vitor20XX
      @Vitor20XX 10 місяців тому +4

      @@bananabanana484 it's just hax, his physical stats are low af, except for MiH speed.

    • @jangojules
      @jangojules 7 місяців тому

      @@bananabanana484pucci died because of the air being poisoned

  • @DRYSTOVE
    @DRYSTOVE 4 місяці тому +1

    Dio: I NEED JOESTAR BLOOD
    Jotaro: playing dead
    Dio: I WILL NOT TAKE HIS BLOOD AND INSTEAD WILL CHECK IF HES DEAD

  • @GoatOfWIS
    @GoatOfWIS 10 місяців тому +13

    Editing goes crazy; cook mah brudda

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +3

      thank you bud

  • @Hatory-o6n
    @Hatory-o6n 3 місяці тому +1

    I stopped at "Jonathan punches harder than star platinum" lmfao

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  3 місяці тому

      @@Hatory-o6n watch it fully to understand

  • @VerycoolEsso
    @VerycoolEsso 8 місяців тому +16

    Jonathan is the strongest Joestar, without abilities.

    • @camdenstyle3813
      @camdenstyle3813 8 місяців тому +1

      Exactly, he's pretty much the weakest without his abilities. Though there is reason to say that he is at least stronger than Joseph, but even that is debatable. They both know Hamon, but Jonathon has mastered it while Joseph pretty much just hastily learned it. That being said the battle IQ of Joseph is probably greater than that of nearly every other Joestar. It honestly could probably go to either person, based on their surroundings and weapons at hand.

    • @BumbleBee-ur4uo
      @BumbleBee-ur4uo 8 місяців тому

      You lack logic.
      Every joestar has abilities.

    • @homies1270
      @homies1270 6 місяців тому

      ​@@BumbleBee-ur4uoYes and their most powerful ability is to *Run away*

    • @omariblake21
      @omariblake21 4 місяці тому

      Jonathan never ran away from a fight bro. The only Joestar closer to Jonathan is Jotaro. They both would merk anyone in a fist fight

    • @pickletickle8407
      @pickletickle8407 3 місяці тому

      ​@@omariblake21Nobody else was up against Kars 💀

  • @eduardpeeterlemming
    @eduardpeeterlemming 6 місяців тому +1

    Truly scary would be if Jonathan could use Joseph's prediction or family secret technique

  • @Malevolence460
    @Malevolence460 9 місяців тому +6

    FINALLY the BEST JoJo getting the recognition that he DESERVES!!

  • @shocck1
    @shocck1 8 місяців тому +2

    i mean, if you had to choose any joestar to punch you in the face with their bare hands, no abilities allowed, you’re not gonna choose jonathan

  • @CityMan69
    @CityMan69 10 місяців тому +3

    I havent seen Jojo in a long time, But Jonathan was so strong his entire bloodline (except jolyne) Kicked ass

    • @CityMan69
      @CityMan69 10 місяців тому +1

      You can see his Chad blood lessening as the jojos get skinnier

  • @KazuNEET
    @KazuNEET 7 місяців тому +2

    To be fair, he could even pick up heavy rocks!

  • @mythix02
    @mythix02 10 місяців тому +3

    Finally someone call it. Jonathan is the strongest Jojo in hand to hand combat

  • @Bound662
    @Bound662 3 місяці тому +2

    To sum up before people come to hate the video: He is the strongest phisically, even more than a lot of stands, but still a human that, for example, could be desintegrated by Magicien's Red.

  • @t-wave3161
    @t-wave3161 8 місяців тому +6

    Powerscalers are the biggest loosers ever

    • @WilliamGunnarsson-r6s
      @WilliamGunnarsson-r6s 5 місяців тому +3

      I agree, they will pull some bs like "this character killed this old man in a wheelchair which puts him at inf strenght because the old man was immortal"

    • @peekafch
      @peekafch 3 місяці тому +1

      Especially with the mental gymnastics they go through to explain why this is better than that. Blah

  • @7vader_edits7
    @7vader_edits7 Місяць тому

    Johnathan Joestar when he encounters a Stand that can break him in half like a piece of wood and stop time: 👁👄👁

  • @wasabi5338
    @wasabi5338 6 місяців тому +3

    the greatest Jonathan feat in my opinion is the first fight against vampire Dio in the burning mansion.
    Dio was shown to be ripping off the policemen to shreds with his barehands after his transformation, yet Jonathan managed to tackle him through a brick wall and hold him in place to get him pierced by the statue.
    And that was without hamon too, just with gentlemanly rugby boxer muscles.

  • @Bart-g2d
    @Bart-g2d 10 місяців тому +5

    part 1 was always one of my favorite

  • @Halilpasar
    @Halilpasar 10 місяців тому +2

    Dio: BRING OUT YOUR STAND AND LETS END THIS JOJO!
    Jonathan: I don’t need a stand to defeat you.. *_I’VE GOT HAMON!_*

  • @Abandoned2377
    @Abandoned2377 8 місяців тому +2

    You reaching with the different body take... it's Johnathon's body. His cells

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  8 місяців тому

      By definition it’s a different body

  • @babysinclairfan
    @babysinclairfan 10 місяців тому +4

    Honestly, this makes sense. Jonathan is a Christ figure, an ideal that all of the later JoJo's are striving to live up to. No matter what heights the other JoJos reach, they got there by standing on his shoulders.
    Does it make sense from power scaling? Probably not, but this is fiction. We don't always have to be physically consistent. Storytelling always comes first.
    Going back to the Christ analogy, we still feel Jonathan's presence well after his heroic sacrifice. Jonathan's body is what stops Dio from reaching full power and gives our heroes stands to fight back with. Sure, it might be a coincidence, but it also might not be. Also, everyone knows that Star Platinum is a dead-ringer for Jonathan. While I don't think it's Jonathan's ghost or anything like that, it's a symbol that his legacy is alive in Jotaro. Also, let's not forget that the speed wagon has been helping our heroes entirely out of gratitude for Jonathan.
    Also I don't think Jonathan was the most powerful strength-wise. In his time, he was just a really strong fighter. However, that's all he needed to overcome his trials. If he had been the one fighting Kira, Diavolo, Kars, Pucci, or the world, he would've risen to the challenge and beaten those villains too. That's just who Jonathan is, an iron-willed hero who finds a way. Jonathan's mind and brawn aren't what makes him special, it's his heart.

  • @AlphaFramke42
    @AlphaFramke42 10 місяців тому +3

    Don't mind OVA Star Platinum literally throwing a building... that might outdo Jonathon.

    • @aboi6638
      @aboi6638 7 місяців тому

      people dont... go off ova. jonthon is still washed tho lmao

  • @franky2765
    @franky2765 10 місяців тому +8

    Good shit

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for watching!

  • @Golden_Official100
    @Golden_Official100 10 місяців тому +3

    POV:
    Jonathan Joestar after fighting against a stand capable of stopping time, and still wining: Dang, how strong am I?
    Jonathan Joestar winning against GER: *Embodiment of god*

    • @Golden_Official100
      @Golden_Official100 10 місяців тому

      Jonathan Joestar winning against GO BEYOND: da fak

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +1

      Lmfao

  • @undeadinside3571
    @undeadinside3571 7 місяців тому

    Jonathan was practically a Belmont. His family and estate were destroyed and his nemesis was a vampire! Then his descendants fight that same vampire

  • @uppishcub1617
    @uppishcub1617 10 місяців тому +4

    Jonathan definitely has the highest bench max of any JoJo.

    • @BarbarianXD
      @BarbarianXD 10 місяців тому

      He definitely benches 405
      Tons.

    • @bananabanana484
      @bananabanana484 10 місяців тому +1

      I did some eye-balling for Tarcus’ boulder-done thing. It’s looks like about 3 Jonathan’s tall and 5 tarcus shoulders wide (about 18 ft tall and 25 ft wide). That’s about 168 tons conservatively. And Jonathan made him look like a rag doll, with inferior leverage. 480 tons isn’t unreasonable for the guy. He does actually make Star platinum look average, though Star Platinum is way faster (Jonathan got hit by stingy eyes and Star Platinum catches bullets point blank).

    • @BarbarianXD
      @BarbarianXD 10 місяців тому

      @@bananabanana484 SP is physically stronger

  • @AnyHeroBlake
    @AnyHeroBlake 7 місяців тому +1

    Bro had his arms crushed by a vampire Dio and Dio still couldn’t get him to let go.
    Jonathan solos

  • @Sifi999
    @Sifi999 10 місяців тому +4

    underrated af dude hope u get more views

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +1

      Thank you so much

  • @danteredgrave9574
    @danteredgrave9574 9 місяців тому +2

    Of course he's the strongest, this man is a walking mountain.

  • @RxneIsHxre1010
    @RxneIsHxre1010 8 місяців тому +4

    bro how was this ever a debate. Jonathan is literally the muscle.

  • @rayoscrost
    @rayoscrost 7 місяців тому

    in one of the games, jotaro is relieved that jonathan doesn't have a stand because he was too strong

  • @LCTesla
    @LCTesla 8 місяців тому +2

    Your argument that Part 3 Dio is weaker than Part 1 Dio kinda overlooks the crucial fact that he's not alone at that point. Part 3 Dio + The World are clearly stronger than Part 1 Dio. I think Jonathan is somewhere in the ballpark of Joseph, i.e. hopelessly overshadowed by most stand users.
    I mean Joseph, the only JoJo that compares to Jonathan on a level playing field, beat three absolutely godlike beings that were each arguably as strong as Dio. It's not even obvious Jonathan is stronger than him.

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  8 місяців тому

      1. I said p1 dio is stronger than the world or dio in p3.
      2. Jonathan stronger than Joseph
      3. Dio has better feats than any of the pillarmen

    • @LCTesla
      @LCTesla 8 місяців тому +3

      @@MRForca in the JoJo part 3 OVA Dio says:
      "A hundred years ago Hamon was a slight problem for me, but now with the power of The World, it's insignificant"

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  8 місяців тому

      @@LCTesla Its in reference to the fact that since he can stop time and use projectiles to attack instead of normal punches.The threat isn't as severe as it would've been normally as he got more time to react. This is displayed when he was hesitant to punch joseph

    • @Lestergaming-fe5jm
      @Lestergaming-fe5jm 8 місяців тому +1

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@MRForca
      1. Stopping time > lasers
      2 Johnathan ≥ Joeseph (hardly)
      3. Kars > pt1 Dio (not even close)
      And frankly, how hard a character can hit a wall hardly matters when stands consistently catch, dodge, or slice bullets, (not even mentioning RHCP or MiH) whilst being equally or infinitely stronger than these regular physical characters with swords man

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  8 місяців тому

      @@Lestergaming-fe5jm the video was in reference of strength that’s why I titled it that way. I also explained in the video who beats who. Kara is weaker than dio

  • @sirchris6047
    @sirchris6047 8 місяців тому

    the fact he can stand clash in the game says everything

  • @thatoneguy779
    @thatoneguy779 5 місяців тому +3

    Jonathan is definitely the most physically strongest

  • @joinha7169
    @joinha7169 6 місяців тому

    Jonathan has some crazy abilitys, deslocating his arms without pain, killing a vampire, its just crazy actually, he survived a house burning and jumping from the balcony, he IS strong asf, with a stand, i fear what the man can do

  • @inazumamati4954
    @inazumamati4954 10 місяців тому +6

    Im might be a little bit bias but Joseph(Part2) should be stronger than Jonathan because he fought Straizo that was around Dio (Part 1) level even if not stronger and then we have the pillar man that were stated to be completly superior to vampires and Joseph defeated Santana before even having Hamon training and after his training he was able to defeat everyone one of them by just being stronger and being a little lucky.

    • @D.W.M.T.Y.A.W._CheckAbout_
      @D.W.M.T.Y.A.W._CheckAbout_ 10 місяців тому

      Just because he “should” doesn’t mean he “would be”.
      Listen man, if Araki said it be so, then it is what it is.
      But nah, he be sayin the one who started it all was the strongest.

    • @inazumamati4954
      @inazumamati4954 10 місяців тому +1

      @@D.W.M.T.Y.A.W._CheckAbout_ the shoulds are based on arakis statements like that the pillar man are stronger than dio part 1

    • @D.W.M.T.Y.A.W._CheckAbout_
      @D.W.M.T.Y.A.W._CheckAbout_ 10 місяців тому

      @@inazumamati4954 And yet, What does he say? Jonathan is stronger.
      Don’t get me wrong, it sounds retarded. Big man really did just put it out there.
      But I mean… it’s not our fault because, we did get a whole ass fighting game, not necessarily canonical, essentially wanking The JoJo of Part 1.

    • @Evil-Fry
      @Evil-Fry 5 місяців тому

      i thought the same, also joseph use of hamon is very versatile and he's so op in terms of inteligence the dude can predict whatever you are going to say next, also the pillar men are stated as vastly stronger than the vampires, but dont listen to me im a huge tomokazu sugita meat rider

    • @Unha806
      @Unha806 3 місяці тому

      Dio p1 solos straitzo vampire low diff, When straitzo space stinger eyes cant ever damage joseph,dio cuts the sky and a tower with it, dio always have freezing abilities too.

  • @thathogwartsboi4676
    @thathogwartsboi4676 Місяць тому +2

    4:10 yk what else is massive

  • @nicolaimarquez2765
    @nicolaimarquez2765 10 місяців тому +3

    But ULF Kars is one of the strongest too because he has a million times of Hamon Evolution though he can melt some human too because he adapt the life form energy without breaking a sweat based on Kars Theory in Part 2

  • @lardosthesaiyangamer1968
    @lardosthesaiyangamer1968 7 місяців тому

    I can't stop laughing😂 at the last scene. Imagine a metro man Vs Perfect Cell

  • @sakhiy
    @sakhiy 10 місяців тому +9

    I get that jonathan is probably the one who can punch the hardest, but jojo fights aren't like db fights, i like jonathan be he's cooked if he has to face off against jotaro or giorno

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +4

      yeah ik. i was just showing how jonathan is the stronger in the manga. i never said he could beat everyone and i explicitly said jotaro beats him

  • @bombthezoms
    @bombthezoms 7 місяців тому

    Jonathan also has the moral highground he is the good guy in every fight hes in and so has bs plot armor and power to help

  • @vedantshastri8799
    @vedantshastri8799 6 місяців тому +6

    Araki saying Jonathan Joestar is the strongest Joestar not because of how powerful he physically is, it's because Jonathan has a true heart, that no other Joestar had.... I'll leave that for you to figure it out 😊❤

  • @duduosut6173
    @duduosut6173 6 місяців тому +1

    bro was on some good shit while writing this😂😂😂

  • @nemtons
    @nemtons 10 місяців тому +2

    interesting video, dubs imo🔥

  • @frozenburrito2.087
    @frozenburrito2.087 10 місяців тому +1

    Jonathan is also the strongest mentally, so if he had managed to get a stand it’d probably be very OP

  • @TheSsjJoker
    @TheSsjJoker 10 місяців тому +3

    As He should be

  • @Alexander-ns2su
    @Alexander-ns2su 9 місяців тому

    Respect to the gentleman. Jonathan is indeed the strongest for what its worth. No stands no hax just physical build and training.

  • @zigged5296
    @zigged5296 10 місяців тому +4

    you gotta be baiting bro. DIO has all of his vampiric abilities in part 3.

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +1

      Why didn’t he use sting eyes when he needed to execute jotaro while he was being cautious? Makes more sense than tk get a metal stop sign

    • @zigged5296
      @zigged5296 10 місяців тому +7

      @@MRForca why didn't Jotaro use Star Finger in part 6 to hit Pucci with the extra range it gives him? why didn't Dio stop time again to limit Jotaro's options?
      Araki either forgot about the ability altogether, or just wanted to write a more engaging and tense moment. (not even mentioning that space ripper stingy eyes would be useless if Jotaro really WAS alive, as it's just high pressurized liquid. Star Platinum could deflect that easily.)
      side note, he has the ability in Heritage for the Future, which Araki had a pretty decent amount of involvement in during it's development.

    • @kdevelopergw
      @kdevelopergw 10 місяців тому +2

      @@zigged5296 Star Finger is worse than just straight up punching, Star platinum has better range than star finger and a punch is both faster and stronger
      stopping time isn't something you can do constantly, we see that DIO had to train The World to be able to stop time for longer periods of time, and Jotaro is unable to stop time for more than 5 seconds at his PEAK. DIO couldn't stop time in the finale after being crippled by star platinum because he was too weak and has already used a lot of his "stamina" to stop time for the roadroller attack

    • @zigged5296
      @zigged5296 10 місяців тому

      @@kdevelopergw where in the world did you get the idea that Star Finger is weaker OR slower?? it goes just as fast as a punch from Star Platinum (lightspeed plus) and just puts all the strength behind a regular punch from Star Platinum into a smaller point. it's a more range-focused option with more precision required.

    • @kdevelopergw
      @kdevelopergw 10 місяців тому +2

      @@zigged5296 Jotaro literally says it in the source material... It's a last resort move, he only uses it when he can't do anything else *because* it's so bad. Heritage for the Future makes it seem stronger than it actually is because you can still input other moves as jotaro if you perform it with stand mode disabled, and it stuns the enemy when it hits, but the first benefit of that move can be applied to any stand move, and the second benefit was made up for the game so that they could incorporate the funny move into his moveset

  • @ok-iy6pw
    @ok-iy6pw 6 місяців тому

    Wow.. Of all the ways to be wrong you chose all of them. Now that is impressive!

  • @Aimmakes
    @Aimmakes 10 місяців тому +3

    W video!!

  • @Wipplecurterr
    @Wipplecurterr 4 місяці тому

    Dio certainly did have his vampiric powers, it's his ego. We saw his ego put him in disadvantage spots multiple times. Such as him taking a spear to the hand to show his new powers off, sticking to a wall to watch Jonathan die, only to fall with him into the fire, thinking he won since he broke Jonathan's sword and getting decapitated, and of course losing to Jotaro because his ego got to such a high point he refused to use some of his vampiric abilities.

  • @therealwhoever
    @therealwhoever 10 місяців тому +12

    This is all dependent on
    Part 1 Dio Brando > part 3 DIO
    Which honestly I find hard to believe simply because of how busted the world is. Sure his vampirism abilities were always put into question but his strength never was. To say Jonathan scales higher destructively than Star platinum or the world sounds abit too out there. I personally don't see that because of Joseph's existence. You completely gloss over Joseph but hes the direct link to vampires such as Dio Brando. DIO himself says that hamon compared to him now is fodder. This is before greatest high. Joseph part 2 beat a vampire relative to Dio brando and then the pillar men which no matter how you slice it ARE above Dio brando. Sure hamon is underrated and i wish we did see more of it but to say it surpasses stands in strength I just gotta doubt it. But if you are gonna believe this Dio scaling then by all means Joseph and Jonathan (both post zeppeli amp) I guess are the "strongest"? Clickbait video but i thought I'd comment smth since this whole line of scaling is something I've never seen before or would really believe myself

    • @therealwhoever
      @therealwhoever 10 місяців тому

      By all means by your crazy scaling I'd wonder what your arguments and such would be for the pillar men lmao

    • @MRForca
      @MRForca  10 місяців тому +4

      Whatever you believe in the line of scaling or not is up to you. i don't really text debate but ill drop some responds in here right now. 1. he said hamon is fodder compared to himself in part 3 cause he cna stop time and harm joseph through objects to bypass hamon. 2. dio in part 1 is physically stronger than the world and part 3 as i expalined in the video. You got to fully watch it along with the other dio video for context. Straizo is not comparable to dio in strenght or speed. Just cause they got similar abilities doesn't mean they operate on the same level as dio has done nothing but consume lifes and gotten massively stronger while we don't know how mnay lives straizo has eaten. Also i glossed over joseph because he doesn't scale to anyone on jonathans level nor does he scale to dio in part 3 and i went in-depth why jonathan is stronger than that one. The answer you're looking for is literally in the video

    • @therealwhoever
      @therealwhoever 10 місяців тому +5

      ​@jaqcole Dio and Straizo are relative no matter how you put it due to the hierarchy of beings or whatever we learn in part 2. They're both vampires, similar abilities, and such. It can even be implied Araki was tryna show off Joseph's cool new character by putting him up against someone that is on Dio's level immediately. Not to mention the pillar men being directly above this for higher stakes. Same for part 3 DIO is back with a stand and by greatest high is stronger than ever. Part 4 tones it down as Araki's style changes. Again i just don't agree with your scaling of Dio part 1 which breaks this whole line of thought apart

    • @therealwhoever
      @therealwhoever 10 місяців тому

      ​@@MRForcayou saying this is the strongest he has ever felt due to stand energy and dio believe with the world that hamon is of no issue to him leads me to again believe stands > hamon. Unless you think Jonathan's hamon is above ulf kars i see no reason as to why it'd be above star platinum. Which is also another thing that breaks your whole line of scaling. You rely so much on statements and comparisons yet the feats for part 1 are so minimal it is hard to believe for me. Like if someone scales part 3 higher than part 1 which most do then yeah this falls apart

    • @kdevelopergw
      @kdevelopergw 10 місяців тому +3

      @@therealwhoever i mean, from a narrative standpoint, yes, straitzo was used to show off how cool the new joestar is and wow he killed a vampire so quickly wow wow but really straitz is nowhere near on Dio's level, because for one, he didn't drink the blood of an entire village like DIO did, he didn't experiment with what his new vampiric body can do (although he does know about the stinger eyes from seeing DIO use them), and he just didn't really have the wits that DIO did.

  • @MisterFanwank
    @MisterFanwank 5 місяців тому

    Joseph is the strongest JoJo because he has the power of "naisu naisu". Absolutely unbeatable.

  • @TomasBregman
    @TomasBregman 10 місяців тому +4

    The insane mental gymnastics and meat riding is crazy 💀

  • @justanotherhankhillaccount
    @justanotherhankhillaccount 6 місяців тому

    Jonathan is my favorite Joestar, and it's so vindicating to hear Araki declare that

  • @Sahfionne
    @Sahfionne 10 місяців тому +3

    Watashi no na wa “kirayoshikage” nenrei 33-sai jitaku wa moriōchō hokutō-bu no bessō chitai ni ari… kekkon wa shite inai… shigoto wa “kameyūchēn-ten” no kaishain de mainichi osokutomo yoru 8-ji made ni wa kitaku suru tabako wa suwanai sake wa tashinamu teido yoru 11 tokiniha yuka ni tsuki kanarazu 8-jikan wa suimin o toru yō ni shite iru… nerumae ni atatakai miruku o nomi 20-bu hodo no sutoretchi de karada o hogushite kara yuka ni tsuku to hotondo asamade jukusui-sa… akanbō no yō ni hirō ya sutoresu o nokosazu ni asa-me o samaseru nda… kenkōshinda demo ijō nashi to iwa reta yo
    watashi wa tsuneni “kokoro no heion” o negatte iki teru ningen to iu koto o setsumei shite iru noda yo… “kachimake” ni kodawattari atama o kakaeru yōna “toraburu” toka yoru mo nemurenai to itta “teki” o tsukuranai… to iu no ga watashi no shakai ni taisuru shiseideari sore ga jibun no kōfukuda to iu koto o shitte iru… mottomo tatakatta to shite mo watashi wa darenimo makenga ne

    • @yotryhofficial
      @yotryhofficial 10 місяців тому

      Suppose that you were sitting down at this table. The napkins are in front of you, which napkin would you take? The one on your ‘left’? Or the one on your ‘right’? The one on your left side? Or the one on your right side? Usually you would take the one on your left side. That is ‘correct’ too. But in a larger sense on society, that is wrong. Perhaps I could even substitute ‘society’ with the ‘Universe’. The correct answer is that ‘It is determined by the one who takes his or her own napkin first.’ …Yes? If the first one takes the napkin to their right, then there’s no choice but for others to also take the ‘right’ napkin. The same goes for the left. Everyone else will take the napkin to their left, because they have no other option. This is ‘society’… Who are the ones that determine the price of land first? There must have been someone who determined the value of money, first. The size of the rails on a train track? The magnitude of electricity? Laws and Regulations? Who was the first to determine these things? Did we all do it, because this is a Republic? Or was it Arbitrary? NO! The one who took the napkin first determined all of these things! The rules of this world are determined by that same principle of ‘right or left?’! In a Society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, this World has been operating by this napkin principle. And the one who ‘takes the napkin first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers’. In the case of this table, the ‘eldest’ or the ‘Master of the party’ will take the napkin first… Because everyone ‘respects’ those individuals

    • @Sahfionne
      @Sahfionne 10 місяців тому

      @@yotryhofficial yes

    • @yotryhofficial
      @yotryhofficial 10 місяців тому

      @@Sahfionne 🗿

    • @Sahfionne
      @Sahfionne 10 місяців тому

      @@yotryhofficial ☝🧏‍♂️