How I Became A Data Scientist (No CS Degree, No Bootcamp)
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:38 Background
4:09 Discovering Data Science
5:00 Learning Data Science
8:46 First Job
9:54 Advice
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Hi, I'm Egor! I am a Data Scientist with a master's in Physics currently living in London. I share data science tutorials, advice and general tech topics!
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Video transcript: towardsdatascience.com/how-i-became-a-data-scientist-no-cs-degree-no-bootcamp-82c321904986?sk=aba94dd380b1a0a9db6d36ef7a7fae44
> No CS Degree, No Bootcamp
Yet you still had very strong mathematics and statistics background at a university level. Good luck to the people seeing this that don't have that background. Their best option is to go do an undergraduate and pick up those skills, otherwise no chance.
Don't underestimate the strong problem solving skills you develop in undergraduate and graduate level STEM program.
Hi James. Yes this is a fair point, I do say in the video that I had an advantage and everyone's background is different, so you shouldn't compare directly yourself. I don't believe my physics degree was the sole reason behind me landing my first role. :)
exactly.... his degree is still super relevant
Hi . If i get into Oxford BA Mathematics and did really well on the course, can I top data Science jobs in the UK?
And studying Physics vs Maths at Oxford for a data science career? Thanks .
@natural-926 you'd realistically need some statistics and programming along with that Math foundation. Pair it with a major or minor in CS
@@natural-926 If you study maths at Oxford then yes defo you can get a data science job! Just make sure to learn some python and maybe try a data science internship somewhere.
The maths degree will give you great fundamentals. But, when applying to jobs you have to demonstrate an interest in the field. Hope this helps?
And for physics vs maths, tbh it doesn't make much difference for a data science career. In maths you can tailor your modules to be more stats focussed, which is probably better. However, overall its miniscule.
I watched hundreds of YT videos on that subject. Yours is probably among top 5. Clear, concise and broken up in parts. Much appreciated
Thank you so much !!
Can you tell me the other videos in your top 5?
This YT is a win-win for those who are studying English and Data Science! ❤ thanks for sharing 🎉 and congrats to you and your consistency!!!
Thank you! 😃
thank you, your video sounds realistic and helpful much more than some people just seem like trying to sell their courses.
Glad it was helpful!
This is hands down the best breakdown I have ever came across about data science: the pacing, the real life reference, all came together to make this very clear, concise and informative! Thanks Egor!
P.S.: love your articles on medium as well! Always great to come across more of your content!
Thank you Alex!
thnx for sharing you experience man, i was also studying physics but i switched majors to applied mathematics, and i'm really considering going the data science road.
having a math background really helps🙌
Agree, your background makes the transition a lot easier!
great video! thanks for sharing your journey! 🤩 very inspiring
You're so welcome!
It was really inspiring man, thanks for sharing
Thank you!
came here because I can't afford subscribing to medium 😂 to read your posts. Now I'm binge-watching your vids! keep them coming 👍
Ah thanks! I have linked a friend link for the article here, so you can read it without a subscription: towardsdatascience.com/how-i-became-a-data-scientist-no-cs-degree-no-bootcamp-82c321904986?sk=aba94dd380b1a0a9db6d36ef7a7fae44
Hehe, Same
Me tooo😅
Thanks I also came to UA-cam to watch your video😅
Same. I too clicked on this video cuz I don't want to pay for reading a single article.
Thanks for sharing! 💫
You are so welcome!
Came from the blog post. I enjoy reading more didnt want to pay. Thank you for posting a vidoe and provding the full text link here.
No problem, glad you found value in it!
I’m just pivoting to a new career in data science, and coming across your video is really divine.
This was very helpful mate!
Thanks man!!!
Thanks Egor for sharing your experience.
thank you!
Im actually amazed on all the learning topic you covered just in this video i can only hope to study and learn as much as you have over my entire lifetime 💙
Thanks! It's really not as much as you think! You don't need to know everything. I still can't answer every question when it comes to data science, but I now know how to approach them and workout the solution :)
Data scientist is just a title, it is more interesting what type of work you will be doing. I know "data scientists" who do tableau and power point all day, I also know data scientists who implement machine learning models in C++. Don't focus so much on the title figure out what you want to do.
This is a good point. I am referring to Data Scientist who do ML and deploy models to production.
@@egorhowell Do you even work in IT? Modelling and deployment is a very small percentage of any data role. Pre processing, defining the problem filtering the data and database design is a big part of any data role. Modelling and deployment is something you do at the last step. Might be a good idea to work in a data role before giving advice on data roles.
I work for a tech company if thats what you mean as a Data Scientist! Yes modelling is less than 3% of the repo and production stage. This video is about learning data science, not how to productionise algorithms in industry. That is the next step after getting all your theoretical knowledge down.
@@-es2bf
I totally agree with you.
Does Data Science require to have a Bachelor or Master in order to find a job with a tech company or just self-instruction is enough to pursuit a job?
Thanks a lot ... Top tips
You're welcome!
Your background sounds a lot like mine :) I'm five years into being a civil engineer and just now recognizing that it's not for me... but nonetheless, it's really inspiring to hear how you got into this field. I'm currently in the process of studying and learning data analysis in hopes to venture into a similar field of work. Thank you for posting this video because it gives me hope that I am making the right decision :)
Thats really cool to hear, good luck on your journey!
Thank you!!
Hello Egor, I am really fortunate that I have found your channel. I have 7 years of experience as a DBA and then as a SQL developer. And after that, I have a master's degree in computer science from Germany. But till now, I have failed to get a full-time job in this field. Thanks for pointing out that 'it is a game of numbers'. Thanks, Egor.
Thanks for the feedback!
Sad to hear you are still looking for a role. Keep at it, something always eventually turns up. Like I say, landing any job is part luck. :)
Glad you found it useful!
Been looking for an entry-level job in this field for over 7 years. Hiring managers lack experience trying to find jobs when have a bad work record.
Ah that’s suck, let me know any tips you need!
thanks bro!)👍
Welcome 👍
Good video man. I'm studying engineering but sometimes I feel it's not for me, so it's not a bad idea to start studying DS.
agreed, if it interests you, go for it!
An elaborate video with real life example on the advice part of the video, for beginners would be great.
Great idea!
Good video man.
Cheers!
Hi, I am also a physicist (finished my Ph.D. recently in theoretical physics) and will start a DS job soon. I resonate with you on physics not being like what I imagined during my school time. During my school days, I used to solve hard physics problems based on Newtonian mechanics but research is quite different from school or even college physics. Now I realize that what I liked was the problem-solving part of physics and not necessarily the physics itself. The problem solving part in college/real world is done within CS domain and not physics. I don't regret my PhD but i should have explored more during my UG. Nice video !
Hey, interesting you had the same realisation as me! I am curious, what was your PhD in/thesis???
@@egorhowell thanks for the comment. My phd was in condensed matter theory (quantum many-body physics). I mostly studied spin systems ( like ising model in stat mech).
very interesting! is this like Bose-einstein condensates?@@carti8778
Stay in physics. We dont need more competition in the data science field.
@@virtual240 i am on the job and have competed with people to get a job. I am not the reason for the competition bcz my work uses data science . Had I been from a non-STEM background, I would have accepted you request.
a great effort! congrats!
how do you think that we can learn linear algebra and calculus (for beginners) ?
The youtube channel "the math sorcerer" has a ton of book recommendations, and I think he also has a math teaching section
@@geckoram6286 thanks mate!
I recommend freecodecamp:
- ua-cam.com/video/JnTa9XtvmfI/v-deo.html
- ua-cam.com/video/HfACrKJ_Y2w/v-deo.html
Hey, I recommend this ua-cam.com/video/JnTa9XtvmfI/v-deo.html
I also detail a roadmap in one of my recent videos: ua-cam.com/video/5m3jsWhRCZU/v-deo.html
Terrific information and thank you for sharing it.
Although now I am intrigued by the books about Russia that are stacked behind you. Have to add those to my collection. 😂
Thanks glad you like it! They are just random books I found lol 😂
Haven't watched it, but let me congrats you, frend. I'm proud of those self taugh developers
Thanks!!
Hi Egor, thank you for the video. I was wondering if you applied to any internships during your second year at university? What about graduate schemes? Was your first role a grad scheme? Thanks.
Hey, I only did the research year I mentioned in the video in my third year. No other internships unfortunately, but I do recommend doing this in hind sight. My first role was a grad scheme yes.
Hi! How old are you? I studied some years of physics too, I left because I started to study another career in the university. But I looked at data science and I falled in love, and I instantly started to study. I stopped the career so I can study Data science. I have all the basics in math, Calculus and Integration. Thank you for the good video, you have a new subscriber.
Hey, I am 24! Thats cool, glad you have found a passion in data science. And thanks for the sub, means a lot!!
Hi I am not a Data Scientist but I have master's in Physics and I try now to become a data scientist, thanks for the video
Thank you and best of luck!
Hi howell. Which kaggle courses have you gone through.
Although, Kaggle is free but what should be your overall cost in purchasing courses. I mean investment on yourself.
Hey, the kaggle courses I took (note: I didn't actually complete them all lol)
www.kaggle.com/learn/python
www.kaggle.com/learn/intro-to-machine-learning
www.kaggle.com/learn/pandas
www.kaggle.com/learn/intermediate-machine-learning
www.kaggle.com/learn/data-visualization
They don't take that long to go over.
In terms of purchasing courses, I haven't got a strong opinion on it. Everything in paid courses can be found somewhere for free, but if purchasing a course makes you more likely to complete, then it's really up to you.
Hello Egor. I hope you are doing well. So I am studying business as my undergrad degree. Even though maths and statistics are not taught that much extensively in my degree but I have somewhat knowledge about maths and statistics since I took these two subjects both in my Olevels and Alevels. So do you thing that the knowledge I have gathered in my Olevels and Alevels is enough for learning Data Science. And if I do not do any bootcamps/self learning/ online courses on data science can I do masters on data science or do i need some knowledge prior?
I think A level maths is sufficient to get an entry level role and understand most things in machines leaning, particularly if you studied statistics modules. Tbh, I dont think you necessarily need a masters in data science, but if you are keen there is no harm. A degree in my opinion is slightly better than a boot camp, given your degree is non STEM.
im aiming to work as a system devoloper 2026, But am Neurodivergent so i gotta work way harder than everyone else if im gonna succeed in this field.
Good luck!!
Hi Egor really loved your video and explanation i am learning ML for past few months and i want to make my career journey in it. i have few questions so do : i need to have full knowledge of ML an Deep learning Gen AI to land a job as data scientist and, what type organization does hire data scientists?
Hey, thats great!
And no, you don't need to have full knowledge. You don't even really need deep learning knowledge for entry level roles in my experience. Just know the basics e.g. linear regression, logistic regression, decision trees, SVMs and maybe something about neural networks.
To answer your final question, literally all types of company hire data scientists nowadays. We are in most industries!
@@egorhowell thanks for giving me some motivation and relief
no problem! @@knight5970
Like you apply the scientific methodology at work? Finding a pattern and setting up a hypothesis to test it or what?
Yeah exactly that. You have a hypothesis, do the discovery work then test it. Many data scientists come from scientific backgrounds, so the scientific method is the main approach we take.
I'm pretty sure that entering a Kaggle competition is more important than writing any blog post,
unless it is a blog post about entering a Kaggle competition😆
meh depends on what you learn. Your blog post could teach you more than a kaggle competition. It's all about pushing yourself!
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Thanks!
thank u bro
glad you liked it!
Hey! Quite an informative video! I'm in my final year of electronics and Communication engineering. Sad to say it took me 4 years to conclude that this field wasn't for me. I've been exploring data science and am really interested in getting into this! Just little overwhelmed to be honest, with how much competition there is! But I'm not gonna give up! Thanks for the resources and for sharing youe experience. Just a question:
I already have the python and r knowledge along with calculus due to my engineering background so I wanted to ask, what is your opinion on these data science courses offered by training institutes (3-6 months) that claim to get you placed and such? I do believe that the content might be good but they are incredibly expensive.
Hey! Glad you are interested in data science and really trying to pursue it!
I haven't got much experience with those courses/bootcamps, so can't give a first hand experience. Although, I have had colleagues who did them and found them useful. Obviously self learning is cheaper, but these courses will force you to learn.
Think its really a personal decision, it does show the you are interested in the field to employers, but so does blogging and documenting your journey.
Sorry this answer is quite vague, I can't be too specific without knowing the exact courses you are referring to!
@@egorhowell thank you for taking the time to respond! I do agree with you on the fact that these courses will somewhat force the students to learn but I do think they're too expensive 😅 so I might go ahead on the self learning route. Do you maybe have a checklist or just a list on the different matter I can start working on?
Hey, sorry for the late reply! Check out my last 5 videos, they all contain resources fro stats, maths and ML. I am planning on doing a detailed data science roadmap.@@rrxn
No worries! Thank you so much for taking the time to reply!
No problem, hope all goes well!
Would you recommend brushing up on math skills such as calculus before trying python?
Hey, it really depends on your background. You should know calculus, linear algebra and stats before tackling projects. But it doesn't matter if you learn Python first or vice versa.
You checkout my video on how to learn ML if you want a full roadmap: ua-cam.com/video/5m3jsWhRCZU/v-deo.html
Thank You. I think I will bush up my knowledge on those three particular sectors of math before I try to code. @@egorhowell
Good luck!
I came here after seeing one of your blog post....
Ummm hey I'm from India basically and this year I'm going to college...
After watching your video...
It seems being a Data scientist can be quite interesting!!
Even though I have literally no knowledge in computer science...
I want to learn this.
I have like 4-5 months left in my hand...
Do you think I should pursue a career in data science if I start to learn computer and all other stuffs you mentioned??
If you want to be a data scientist then yeah go for it. Depending on your background, you could land a job in 4-5 months.
Data science is not solely computer science based. If you know maths and stats well, then I would say thats better than theoretical computer science concepts.
Most computer science you need to go is basically how to code, at least for an entry level job.
I would say go for it, but don't go into thinking you will definitely land a job within 5 months. Like I say in the video, every journey is different and it's best not to compare to others!
@@egorhowell yeah agree.
Basically I am not hoping for quick job.
I want to learn data science in college.
It's gonna take like 4 years course...
I am good in maths and physics but I have no experience regarding computer and stuffs.
And I have 4-5 months in hand to learn at least basics...
Do you think I can learn those basics in 4-5 months?
And what should I start learning first?
@@pallavraj9722 oh 100% you can learned the basics of computer science in that time.
Honestly the best way to learn is start coding and then you will learn quite a few CS topics along the way.
Just take any course, ideally Python if its data science that you want to get into.
ua-cam.com/video/rfscVS0vtbw/v-deo.html
www.tutorialspoint.com/python/index.htm
These are good resources.
@@egorhowell thanks.
If data science is really what you want to do, then go for it! Sure, it's possible to do it in 6 months but like I say in the video, don't base your journey off mine. Everyone is different, with different backgrounds. :)
Hello, how long did the the whole journey take ?
Hey! the whole learning process about ~6 months give or take.
I started learning and taking courses end of 2020 and got my first offer in June 2021.
I was still studying full time at this point in my final year of university. If I didn't have to prep for my exams, I could have studied more!
Hii, first of all, amazing video, i just wanted to know if you finished your degree before pivoting to DS, im 23 and started studying my degree (CS degree) and coding on september 2023 and also working, my goal is to get a Job as a data scientist as soon as i can, but as i just said i just started the degree, im worried to not be able to find a Job until i finish it, do you think its posible to land a DS job in my situation in the next year?
Regards, thanks in advance❤
Hey thanks for the feedback! I finished my degree in June 2021, but was studying from around December 2020.
As you are a CS student, I think it's more than possible that you can get a DS role. Applying for grad schemes would your best bet as they don't necessarily expect much experience. I think you are more likely to land a DS role after your degree, as they often specify you need some degree.
Hope this helps!
So guys, im 41 years old and i gotta start earning 6 figures, so rather than moan about not having a degree and bla bla bla i signed up for university, im from the uk, and im doing a 3 year data science degree, i didn't even finish school, more a less college, my maths skills are shit, but ill tell you 1 thing, i want it, hence why im getting the degree to break down any unnecessary early obstacles. Its only costing me 20k, you'll make that back in under a year.
Thats amazing, good luck and well done!!
@@egorhowell thanks brother
No problem!
Thanks for this information, mate. Is your job in Data Science virtual? Are most of the jobs in Data Science virtual? This is what I prefer - Thanks so much for sharing :)
Hi, thanks for feedback! It's hybrid so a mix of both, although there are definitely a lot of virtual jobs out there.
Hi Egor, Could you tell me where you write your blog? Somewhere offers this service? Or you need to build your website?
Hey I write on medium.com, and it's a great way to get started with a large data science community. You can build your own website if you want, you will learn a lot of skills in that process.
Its up to you, but I recommend to get started on Medium!
Hi . If I study BA Maths at Oxford , and did really well on the course Will I get top Data Science jobs in the UK?
Hey, I replied to your other comment!
Hi Egor,
Can u tell us about the projects u did to get the job?
Hey, yeah you can find most of them here: github.com/egorhowell/Data-Science-Projects
Hello Sir, how many months did you utilize in learning?
around 6 months!
I cant get any interviews as they all reject my application saying they want people with experience. I just graduated Masters in Data science, but what good is it if people dont take me ?
Hey, yeah I understand it is really frustrating. You just have to keep trying, it's all just a numbers game at the beginning!
You need to build a portfolio showcasing some projects you've done. Learn to network too! Applying aimlessly won't get you anywhere.
Thanks guys
What’s a blog post ? And where to publish it ? Any advice or example on that ?
Thank you so much for sharing your experience 😊
Hey, a blog post is just an article online. My preference would be Medium, as that's where I post mine! I plan on doing a future video on technical blogging soon!
@@egorhowell Thank you so much for explaining. Waiting for your video about technical blogging. 👍
If you are really interested, feel free to look online. Loads of people have written articles on how to write technical blogs !
Is it really that important to know the math really well? How important would you say it is?
I would say quite important. Don't need to be an expert, but should be able to answer questions like: what is a gradient, or how to multiply matrices.
This guy says he got into Data Science with no degree yet goes on and reveal he went to university and did physics 🙄 wasted my time
Hey thanks for the feedback! I mentioned I didn't have a computer science degree, but I did caveat in the video that I had a physics background, so my maths skills were already quite good.
good ,seeing u from africa
thanks mate!
how to copy your overview readme file
Just copy and paste the code from the repo!
Im from india
Im a mechanical engineering grad
Been unemployed for long time
Can i become a data scientist straight
Or should i become data analyst then data engineer then data scientist is it the way it woks
Please guide me
Hey, becoming an analyst is one way to get into data science. Its best to do what you think is best, but with a mech eng background you should already some pre-requisite knowledge needed for data science.
Hey Egor, is 6 months realistic for someone who’s just pivoting to a new career in Data science?
I would say yes but really depends on your background. If you come from STEM (science, tech, engineering, maths) then it's an easier transition.
It's also how much time you have to dedicate to learning. If you are learning full time then 6 months should be enough!
Hope this helps :)
@@egorhowell alright. I come from a financial background though. I’ve been dedicating at least 2 hours per day to learning Python since the year began.
What would you recommend?
@@chikeziechukwuazi816 I would say its do-able! Try and lean into your financial background when applying for jobs. If you apply as a Data Scientist to financial firms you will have an advantage as you already know the domain very well.
However, it's important to not go into it thinking it will take 6 months. A year is very realistic as well. But like I say, every journey is different, so think and do what's is right for you!
@@egorhowell thanks man! I appreciate your advice 🙏🏾
@@chikeziechukwuazi816 No problem, let me know how you get on!
Hi basically I'm from PCB+CS stream. can I do data science course?
With CS, you defo can. Not sure what PCB is?
Good
Cheers!!
Thank you for the video! Off topic question)
Where did you get the sounds for the text to appear on the screen at 1:35? Very good sounds.
thank you! the sound effect is from Final Cut Pro Sound effect Library, think it’s cartoon accent 17. Hope this helps :)
@@egorhowell thank you, Egor!
No problem!
I did my Masters in Data Science and Artificial Intelligence from UK back in 2021 and my psw is also about to expire, yet I couldn't get any job yet. I applied to 850+ companies and couldn't get any interview call yet. 2 or 3 rejected me due to reluctance of giving sponsorship to me. I don't know what I should be doing now
Hey, sorry to hear this. I know it's tough. Have you tried changing your applying strategy? Try and do some of the things I mentioned to bulk up your application. I cant promise they will get you job, but definitely make you stand out!
Yes I tried most of the strategies that you mentioned but still couldn't get even an interview call yet
@@addarzful can I see your git page/blog/kaggle, might be able to give you some advice if you want!
are you play cricket ,coz u have the season ball
hey! Actually I do not just a random thing I have!
where are u from bro
London, UK
Watching from Pakistan 🇵🇰 ... buddy
Nice to have you!
Thank you bro I am struggle 4 month my background in finance but alhamdullah quite satisfied to switching its good step .and thank you to upload vedio it's kinda motivation
@@princeshashowa2679 Wish you luck!
Hi Howell.Can you give me some free good course of programming html,c++ etc
Hey! I am not too familiar with html or c++, pretty much never used them.
But I would recommend tutorials point courses:
www.tutorialspoint.com/html/index.htm
www.tutorialspoint.com/cplusplus/index.htm
I find they are comprehensive enough and allow you to start building projects right away after completing them. Let me know anything else :)
@@egorhowell Thanks
No problem
Step 1. Be smart 😢
I wouldn't say thats the case. Hard work always pays off imo
The thing you guys need to understand, when you see these videos. You have to understand certain people have a certain level of intelligence when going into this field. You dont have that intelligence. You are better off going the college route.
Hey, yes this is somewhat true. But hard work is always needed to get anywhere.
I strongly disagree with that view. You don't have to have a "certain level" of intelligence to understand and work in the field. Anyone with common sense can learn it and do well. It's the same for coding. It all comes down to affinity and interest. Is it something you really like doing? That's the question.
@@widxchange what I wrote was based off that click bait title . Not a matter if you can achieve it. 6 months ?!?!? No degree ? You seriously undermine what data science is. And to just say it’s common sense is just plain ignorant to the masses. And if it is common sense that’s the main point I was trying to make “certain level” of intelligence people that have to attain it. Don’t sell false hope. You ruin lives like that.
@@Desiparth I can agree with that. The clickbait thumbnail is obviously misleading. You need time and dedication. And by common sense I mean it is not as out of the average joe's reach as people would like to think. It is not rocket science