I think yes, there are still folks who act like Murray. Do they have the redeeming qualities you seem to think he had? Maybe, maybe not. I think he was all show, pure salesman, and as a woman, I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. I wouldn’t trust his scruples to hold if he were drunk or angry. The woman’s body language was anxious. She could tell, too.
@@theresefournier3269 Yes on Peterson, but no on the other two, thanks ill check them out😊 You should look up “HealthyGamerGG” on youtube - i’ve found him to be soo knowledgeable for life advice as well!
Brilliant work David. When you try to describe guys like Murray from back then, people don’t believe you. The Easley way these guys assumed they could manhandle women was something every woman was aware of. I worked as a cocktail waitress for awhile in a fancy mens establishment that did Las Vegas style burlesque reviews, and we were constantly being groped by patrons. They were always lubricated with drinks, so inhibitions were down. In some good restaurants, we would go to the linen closet in pairs to avoid being cornered by the Boss. Some of these larger than life guys were okay out of a group…but many thought money made everything okay. I like your Cinema Verity style for this film, it really brings the character to life. His technique with the springs was clearly developed to avoid catching his chest hairs on the release…probably learned the hard way lol. It was definitely a time…and you captured the tone of this corner of it very well. Can you imagine anyone trying that on a plane these days? You did very well up against some serious films that year, and it was well deserved.🖤🇨🇦
@Black Lesbian Poet There were and are gold diggers of the female variety, but they tend not to make quite so free with every passing man as was the way with this type of man in the 60s toward women. Fortunately, both are a small percentage of their sex.🖤🇨🇦
@Black Lesbian Poet And I’m sure he never made free with any woman, not his Wife. I’m also sure he met his share who sought favour with the King for their own ends.🖤🇨🇦
I swear, this dude reminds me of Joe Pesci… if all of his characters from CASINO and Good Fellas were to combine. He is truly the person they based a lot of mob movie characters off of. You don’t see people like him today. I absolutely love this. Thank you for sharing this gem with the world.
I've watched this video and your film on Murray King thanks for the background on Murray. He seems to be one of those Wine & Dine talkers I see where he would grow on you. Thanks David Hoffman
I think if he never actually went, this was therapy for Murray. For that I want to say thank you David!! You did incredible work. The journalism aspect alone is phenomenal. The way you’re able to engage and make each subject comfortable to the extent they literally just “be themselves”; absolutely remarkable! Very undervalued content, but immensely appreciated. LOVE YOU D.H!
I can't tell you how uncomfortable I felt, as a woman, watching that guy force himself on those women. And back then they couldn't say no, they just had to deal with it. That flight attendant looked like she wanted to grab him by the nuts. I think it's very telling though, when he says towards the end, something to the effect of "guys don't wanna look soft". Toxic masculinity at its finest. I bet his wife was thrilled to see this film!
Simmer down Bonnie are you panting? Women like you think one way talk another I bet after 2 mimosas with the man youd be playing horsey and cooking breakfast in the morning.
I literally felt nauseous watching some of that. When I saw how deeply uncomfortable the women were in most cases it became really difficult to watch. You could see them doing things to try to modify or divert the various assaults but they weren't in positions to actually stop them completely. Personally I hate feeling powerless. I am powerless toward certain things in my life and I hate it. But being ultimately powerless and trapped in situations like those women were in would have me screaming. I shudder to think what that must feel like.
@@gtodan0228 Lol! I guess times don't change all that much, do they? I guess one change is that people like you are slowly learning to keep these kinds of opinions to yourselves in the actual presence of women. You just think you're entitled to do it on the internet still. I'm not impressed.
Honestly, I can't tell you how uncomfortable I felt, as a MAN watching this and the way this guy objectifies women, a real arrogant maybe-narcissist: "Here, here, feel my muscles" (in the middle of the airport). Ha! I was in my early teens around the time this documentary was made so I guess I "came of age" after this but not that long after. This is a great little piece of early documentary film-making.
Oh yes, there are still lots of guys like Murray lurking around out there. But…. There are also lots of guys who are afraid to even say “hi” to a woman for fear of being called sexist or worse. How fair is that? Surely, we can do better than that? Thanks as always for sharing this thought provoking clip, Mr. H!
Haha, something truly fascinating once again! I love how he's able to talk at that speed! That alone is impressive - and a huge red flag right away. 😂 These clips are invaluable, David. They're part of a time capsule that is your channel and opens to new viewers every day. Isn't that wonderful? There's also something about the 60s that's always been fascinating to me, and you must have known at the time that you were documenting an important time in history, with all the cultural changes and turmoil over Vietnam going on. Born in the early 80s, I've always envied your generation for getting to live the 50s and the 60s. Thanks for posting this gem again. It never fails to makes me smile. And thanks so much for sharing your filmmaker's vault with us. I really appreciate your documenting snippets and people of a bygone era. -Pasi Palosaari, Saigon, Vietnam 🇻🇳
I would say that Marty is a product of the environment/culture in which he was raised. Having lived in New York City, I encountered men like this. There are certain kinds of men who think women owe them affection. Marty's behavior at the beginning of the film displayed that. Would I have felt safe around this guy? Not really. I think he would always be trying to make a move.
Bravo, my friend! You gave him the stage and he ran with it. What a fascinating seeming person. Now, I've got to go watch the whole thing. There were certainly times I felt a very sad recognition that these women were being openly used and absolutely abused and no one said word one about it. It turned my stomach to see it so laid bare and honest. There is so much to unpack there. I cherish your sort of nonjudgmental point of view in your documentaries. You present people how they are. You give them the respect of letting them speak for themselves.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker It was that you felt the need to explain yourself and the context of this video to avoid hurting sensibilities what showed how far we have slid down in the cultural scale. Thank you for striving to preserve a visual testimony of history instead of merely trying to cancel it.
@@otomo129 I don't get why so many people think that being thoughtful and polite toward others is such a bad thing. I was taught to be sensitive to the feelings of others because that's just a nice, caring thing to do. I don't let myself be ruled by what others think but I try to always at least take it into account out of neighb orliness and friendliness. I don't do this to only the people I agree with either. Everyone gets an automatic reserve of respect from me. You have to work to lose it. People who mock that or think that's dumb baffle me.
I love this clip, David. You bet it’s culturally relevant, and as usual, something like this really comes across the decades in an understandable and surprising way. Maybe the world itself doesn’t change so much or perhaps it does- but it is undeniable how much ‘the world’ of human society changes. At least it’s evident from within that system, living in our world that is, when set side by side with this film that you captured half a century ago. And I would assert that Murray, while not exactly Everyman, was not an anomaly in his day. There is a sort of ‘Murray’ still extant today, though I think much more uncommon. In short, our individual world aligns with the collective world view, and changes with the times and so we are all a product of our times. Murray is such a character- misogynistic, bombastic and loud, and often an absurd caricature, but intrinsically human and of his times. I love your videos David. Where else will we find such interesting and often intimate and personal snapshots of American culture if not in films like yours?
my honest impression is that he seems like a genuine and generally good-natured guy, but the way he gets so close and moves around a lot unnerves me. that's mostly speaking to my trauma or whatever, it would kind of depend on how quick to anger he is, but my mind sometimes interprets loud vivacousness as just a loud yelling angry voice and my amygdala gets crazy. i like his personal philosophy from his speaking later in the video, in smaller settings he is much more manageable 🤣
Brilliant. My father was a bartender in Los Gatos, CA, back in the 60's. I had many encounters, as a child, with men like this ... typically intoxicated, with the power of alcohol loosening their tongues enough to reveal their truth. Though their behavior was often rather obnoxious, brash, and belligerent, I was somehow still a bit enamored with their character, humor, and innocent comfort of confidence, despite their obvious flaws.
I've been treated like that woman was in fact this was in the 80's and the man was definitely old school from the 50's and 60's calling women "Broad's" and young girl's "Teeny Bopper's" and such was very annoying to say the least but I pretty much ignored him as much as possible lol
I was groped by a couple of drunk "businessmen" on a flight once in the early 80s. They were drunk and obnoxious before they boarded the flight. The flight attendants seemed disgusted with these guys, but did nothing about it. Nowadays, they'd land the plane and kick them off the flight, and I'm glad.
God Bless you, Hoffman! Absolutely love your content. You're an excellent documentarian & filmmaker. We're all lucky to have you sharing your life's work with us. Thank you! 👏👏👏😎
This was so interesting. A time capsule. Yes, I believe there are still men like this but it's less acceptable and therefore less common. I wonder if his wife (he mentions his wife towards the end) saw this and what she thought. And if he had kids- if they saw it I'd think it would be hard to watch.
In the beginning, I couldn't stand the guy but after listening to him for awhile, I found him entertaining & honest. And yes, we're still thinking/acting like that today (unfortunately). -San Francisco fan girl -
Saw the whole movie, quite interesting and gave some insight as to what roles men and women had back then. We have come a long way since then. I remember my father had one of those “springy things “ he used as part of his workout routine 😂!
Murray is like most of us,his own worst enemy. He is ,as they say, full of it. I have met worse and I have been able to handle myself so I am lucky that way. Let's face it, humans are quite silly.
Man I love your work. I need to watch the full film shortly because I want to know what happened to Murray. This film is fantastic because on the surface it would be very easy to judge Murray, to find his attitude and approach to life disdainful. But the more I listen to him, the more I realise that humanity is such a multi layer of complexity. And in many ways, we are all parts of Murray.
You know David when I was born in 1976 you'll get a Bicentennial birth certificate and your print paper that's also has your feet and hands ink printed, the bicentennial birth certificate is a rare kind of thing cause they did that only for that year. I was just thinking this I know it was something off topic, thanks for sharing this video today Mr. Hoffman much appreciated and interesting.🎃🙂👍👍🎥
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker She's done some great work restoring a lot of old films on her channel. You might see how much it would cost--maybe you could crowdfund this one. I've seen her really work miracles restoring color to old films.
@@RalphBarbagallo I visited a UA-cam channel called FRANLAB but I see no restoration of any films which requires sophisticated digitization equipment that play 16mm. Just a woman speaking about her life and the work that she does. I am confused. David Hoffman filmmaker
@@haydeanbeatz1449 i don't know did he die miserable ? Ppl like this with larger than life personas tend to be not right deep down but I don't know anything else about this guy
Men do not act like this as a rule today however chauvinism and misogyny are still around. I started working in the early 80'a and the behavior of men over the years, in my opinion, has most certainly changed for the better.
I love these videos! every once and a while after school after a long day I lay on my bed and watch these videos, the way people lived back then always impresses me and in a way it feels like in a time machine
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You couldn't script something like this and make it any better. Hollywood has been putting "Murray" in movies and TV for a long time. If someone was looking for a muse for a New York/New Jersey, Sapranos-type character THIS IS IT!
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker I've been subscribed to your channel for a long time you were actually the first channel I subscribe to. I live in the mountains of Northeast Tennessee in a little town called Hampton. There's really nothing here interesting enough to tell a story about but there are hundreds of little stories within this town and the people in it regarding the damage that drugs and drug addiction has caused. How could a town with just over 2,000 people have a homeless problem?
@@mennamuhsen1637 Not his attitude for women but his demeanor in general, as in the man in the video. He's a happily married guy, and his wife is a strong political figure. I've known the guy since Jr. High. I mentioned zero concerning his relationship with females.
“You wanna ask about my personal life now” lmao man this was layered , being a Long Island boy myself this was very entertaining. I was wrong by my initial assumptions.
He is a major jerk and yes, I would think there are people like him still around and probably even worse. However, most of them have charges pressed against them for their behavior.
But that was about the time the legendary singles bar mind games began. By the mid 1980s the game had pretty much wound down thanks to the AIDS scare. I never was successful at picking up women in bars. In disadvantages areas there were what I liked to refer to as “closet hookers” who, while not out on the streets back in what now seems like the Stone Age pre-internet, would beg you to buy them a drink and then it graduated from there.
These are super awesome clips of the past that you were able to preserve and compile. Been fascinated to watch past events and cross compare them to present situation. Thank you and will keep on following on your new content.
It’s shocking to see Murray’s behavior towards women… truly repulsive stuff. My lived experience only spans two decades but it’s sobering to see how far we’ve come as a society. Then to see him confessing his misery in a late night drunken rant (which boys/men still have a tendency to do these days) is quite the trip. Excellent documentary work - like the review said, strong emotions either way!
There is a certain genuineness to his character. He's a product of his generation, but overall, as you point out, he cares about people. He has a conscience and a moral compass. As for his career aspirations, he would have made a perfect film producer, he's right out of central casting in that department. I liked him too after seeing that. Apparently, after some research, his real name was Shmuel Moshe Ginsberg, and he died in 2012.
Murray reminds me of guys who had girl friends that would tell me, "My boy friend is such a jerk. I wish I could meet a nice guy like you." My reply wold be something like, "Well, I would like to go out with you." Then the girl would say, "Oh, no I could never date a guy like you." Moral: There were good guys and jerks then, there are good guys and jerks now. There will always be men like that. In all fairness, there has been and always be the extremes of women as well. Good film and reminder of how not to be a man, David.
Kudos to you for your award and for that mirror shot with the springs; priceless! I knew a lot if Murrays then and since and they never go away and are always loud, obnoxious with a look at me attitude. If anyone calls them put, it 'was only a joke; can't take a joke?'. I personally would just squeeze their nuts and call them out and the blustering was always the same. They are and have always been a$$ho!es and whether or not they were good guys to others, perpetuated their meanness and a 'I take what I want when I want it' attitude. They were and are huge boors and are very hard to be around for very long. They are still alive and well in the 21st century but now most women can see/smell them coming along from a mile away.
I had friends who acted like Murray in the mid 90s, when I was in my early twenties. The main reason I stopped hanging out with these friends was because of their treatment and attitude towards women. It was crude, borish and childish. On the other side of the coin, the women who hung out with my friends encouraged it, simply by not walking away. It's not hard to encourage bad behavior in some men. I've since reconnected with some of these old friends and the women we hung out with. Most have changed, matured, but some have gone in predictable directions with terrible broken marriages and a lack of career momentum. It's simply not acceptable in today's world to hold that kind of attitude towards women, especially when you consider you will likely have a woman boss.
Great little piece of late-mid 20th century documentary film-making. I assume it is shot on 16mm film although it is almost raw looking enough so as to mimic Super-8. His behavior made me very uncomfortable (even as a man). Today, he would have multiple lawsuits lobbed at him for this kind of behavior. But it is fascinating to see what kind of behavior was tolerated 50+ years ago as opposed to today although these kinds of brash showmen will always exist. Thanks for this, David, and all your work that you have shared on UA-cam. Very illuminating.
Mr. Hoffman: you are a brilliant filmmaker, & your important work has expanded many a mind. I can only hope you’re still making films 20 yrs from now. You’re truly a genius, and an indispensable cultural mirror
You have a keen sense, you’re ahead of your time. Unfortunately, yes there are many men who definitely act this way. Trump, for one and Putin for another 😆 I always wonder about their parents, and how they learned to gain self assurance through others, but never see anyone clearly, even themselves. I don’t think this man saw himself anything like others saw him, or as we do. It seems necessary for their character (not that it was all bad - it’s not, (we see some of his sensitivity and sensibility and even vulnerability) it’s the behavior that gets out of hand). You did an amazing job drawing him out. I cringed at your bluntness and exactitude bc it was spot on but then had to ask myself why that made me on edge and realized it was bc I felt this guy was more vulnerable than you - that it’s mainly a big bluff. It doesn’t mean he’s to be coddled, or feared (although he might be more aggressive, outwardly) but I can imagine people going out of their way to stay out of his way. It’s a very interesting documentary, though - we do love to watch these people! I’d love to see more of your docs from your earlier years! ❤thanks for sharing! I’d love to see the rest of this! I’m so excited to hear you posted it with the link and I’m not even a drinker but, this is fascinating!
Now in days more and more women are beginning to do the same thing and it seems like some men still do this but not all men. Women should always be protected and respected. If shes disrespectful towards you simply walk away. Not very hard
So I see a man with an inflated ego that he portrays to the world, in most cases there's something behind that like tears of a clown? If you get my drift? Interesting yes I understand why you would like him
He reminds me of a cross between Del Boy Joe Pesci, this guy was probably coked up to his eyeballs, certainly a larger than life character I like the guy
I've met a few Murray's in my life, especially having a sales background... Perhaps a little more subdued with women because of the time we live in... I think in those times that's what it took for someone that sold intangibles, to be successful. A bit of a blowhard, a bit larger then life, and a he's definitely always closing the deal. Im not going to be guilty of presentism and judge Murray by today's standards... He seems like a very typical man of that era, they worked hard and played hard. I think I would have liked Murray.
I like him. I met a few men like him back in the ‘70’s and, tho he’s not my type romantically speaking, he puts it all out there & is who he is. There’s something to be said for that, don’t you think?
My friends and I would probably call him a wise guy. Due to too many mobster movies lol. Yes absolutely people still behave this way. I wonder what his childhood was like?🤔
I know if I treated a woman like that my Step-dad would have took me in the garage and shook the hell out of me. Honestly my Mother might have done it first.
Wow this really triggered me, this happened to me (and worse) during my childhood and teenagers (60's-70's). I was very surprised this triggered me because I'm a tough cookie. I couldn't finish this video. The women's movement started and women began to fight back and standing up for our civil rights. The culture has changed it's gotten better. Unfortunately there are some men that still think this way and act this way. I love your work I love documentary filmmaking. I will eventually watch the documentary it looks great but wow it really triggered the trauma. You might want put a trigger warning on this piece. ✌️❤️
Hell, I was triggered and I'm a cis guy. My experience with unasked for physical contact is limited to gay bars where there is a lot of groping going on in my experience. I haven't minded that much but I have never felt out of control of the situation or powerless to stop it. I'll tell you though, watching those women react really got me in the feels. I'm sorry you had to experience that!
Hi David I really like your films 🌸🌾🌼🌿 I love late sixties,early seventies era even though I was a baby at the time,but my mum & dad moved from England to San Francisco Haight Ashbury in 1967,where I was conceived 🌹 I am fascinated by your real life films do you have any of San Francisco,my mum & dad moved back to England in 1968 but I'm still interested,I just lost my dad 🌷😪 so it would be meaningful,thanks Paula,England x
I wake up in the morning. Demand my wife smile. Because I like it. Then pinch her on the butt. I then work all day. Occasionally stopping to do some cyber bullying. I get home, eat a nice steak, pinch that butt again, then laugh myself to sleep watching the Gillette best a man can be commercial. Life is grand when you act like a man.
I think he's grotesque, and I find his "depths" to still be far too superficial to be given the benefit of charity. His motormouth is entirely an attempt to get his hands and body in places they shouldn't be.
Wow... Murray was somethin else😬 good grief! What great clips. I'm sure you were annoyed with him while filming😂 I definitely believe that men who act this way usually believe they deserve something more than the rest of us. Celebrities get caught acting this way quite often, but it definitely can come from any man experiencing 'illusions of grandeur' on a varying scale when it comes to how they view themselves. I went on 1 date with a man who started off by telling me i was great and had everything he wanted but blonde hair, tried to convince me to not date anyone else while he attempted to find a 'blonde version' of me and then after walking me to my car, attempted to grab my breast and got a punch to the stomach. He talked a lot about how he was "going to change the world" and needed a woman who would do whatever he wanted/needed when he was home and not talk to him when he was in surgery(he was trying to get into medical school at the time.🙄) he definitely believed he was everything and anything a lady could want in a man and everythinga medical school could want in a student. Pride and delusion definitely has something to do with that kind of man! But luckily, he was the only Murray i ever experienced and i dated a ton! Thanks for sharing , David!
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I think yes, there are still folks who act like Murray. Do they have the redeeming qualities you seem to think he had? Maybe, maybe not. I think he was all show, pure salesman, and as a woman, I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. I wouldn’t trust his scruples to hold if he were drunk or angry. The woman’s body language was anxious. She could tell, too.
she didn’t look anxious, she loved it stop lying
you seem so insightful and i wanna be friends🌻
He's a cool funny guy I want to be like Murray
@@Kyra-fe6do Have you met Dr. Jordan Peterson or Dr. Joe Dispenza yet?
Dr. Bruce Lipton is also incredibly YAHsome! 🤔❤️🔥
@@theresefournier3269 Yes on Peterson, but no on the other two, thanks ill check them out😊 You should look up “HealthyGamerGG” on youtube - i’ve found him to be soo knowledgeable for life advice as well!
there are still men like him, fewer women so timid as to tolerate it. and more men of decency to help shut it down
Brilliant work David. When you try to describe guys like Murray from back then, people don’t believe you. The Easley way these guys assumed they could manhandle women was something every woman was aware of.
I worked as a cocktail waitress for awhile in a fancy mens establishment that did Las Vegas style burlesque reviews, and we were constantly being groped by patrons. They were always lubricated with drinks, so inhibitions were down.
In some good restaurants, we would go to the linen closet in pairs to avoid being cornered by the Boss. Some of these larger than life guys were okay out of a group…but many thought money made everything okay.
I like your Cinema Verity style for this film, it really brings the character to life. His technique with the springs was clearly developed to avoid catching his chest hairs on the release…probably learned the hard way lol.
It was definitely a time…and you captured the tone of this corner of it very well. Can you imagine anyone trying that on a plane these days? You did very well up against some serious films that year, and it was well deserved.🖤🇨🇦
@Black Lesbian Poet There were and are gold diggers of the female variety, but they tend not to make quite so free with every passing man as was the way with this type of man in the 60s toward women. Fortunately, both are a small percentage of their sex.🖤🇨🇦
@Black Lesbian Poet And I’m sure he never made free with any woman, not his Wife. I’m also sure he met his share who sought favour with the King for their own ends.🖤🇨🇦
I like Murray I wanna be like him a debonair mathematician
I swear, this dude reminds me of Joe Pesci… if all of his characters from CASINO and Good Fellas were to combine. He is truly the person they based a lot of mob movie characters off of. You don’t see people like him today. I absolutely love this. Thank you for sharing this gem with the world.
I've watched this video and your film on Murray King thanks for the background on Murray. He seems to be one of those Wine & Dine talkers I see where he would grow on you. Thanks David Hoffman
I think if he never actually went, this was therapy for Murray. For that I want to say thank you David!! You did incredible work. The journalism aspect alone is phenomenal. The way you’re able to engage and make each subject comfortable to the extent they literally just “be themselves”; absolutely remarkable! Very undervalued content, but immensely appreciated.
LOVE YOU D.H!
I can't tell you how uncomfortable I felt, as a woman, watching that guy force himself on those women. And back then they couldn't say no, they just had to deal with it. That flight attendant looked like she wanted to grab him by the nuts. I think it's very telling though, when he says towards the end, something to the effect of "guys don't wanna look soft". Toxic masculinity at its finest. I bet his wife was thrilled to see this film!
Simmer down Bonnie are you panting? Women like you think one way talk another I bet after 2 mimosas with the man youd be playing horsey and cooking breakfast in the morning.
I literally felt nauseous watching some of that. When I saw how deeply uncomfortable the women were in most cases it became really difficult to watch. You could see them doing things to try to modify or divert the various assaults but they weren't in positions to actually stop them completely. Personally I hate feeling powerless. I am powerless toward certain things in my life and I hate it. But being ultimately powerless and trapped in situations like those women were in would have me screaming. I shudder to think what that must feel like.
@@gtodan0228 Lol! I guess times don't change all that much, do they? I guess one change is that people like you are slowly learning to keep these kinds of opinions to yourselves in the actual presence of women. You just think you're entitled to do it on the internet still. I'm not impressed.
@@gtodan0228 and men like you will be nothing but a memory when your dinosaur mentality finally dies out.
Honestly, I can't tell you how uncomfortable I felt, as a MAN watching this and the way this guy objectifies women, a real arrogant maybe-narcissist: "Here, here, feel my muscles" (in the middle of the airport). Ha! I was in my early teens around the time this documentary was made so I guess I "came of age" after this but not that long after. This is a great little piece of early documentary film-making.
Oh yes, there are still lots of guys like Murray lurking around out there.
But….
There are also lots of guys who are afraid to even say “hi” to a woman for fear of being called sexist or worse. How fair is that?
Surely, we can do better than that? Thanks as always for sharing this thought provoking clip, Mr. H!
Haha, something truly fascinating once again! I love how he's able to talk at that speed! That alone is impressive - and a huge red flag right away. 😂
These clips are invaluable, David. They're part of a time capsule that is your channel and opens to new viewers every day. Isn't that wonderful? There's also something about the 60s that's always been fascinating to me, and you must have known at the time that you were documenting an important time in history, with all the cultural changes and turmoil over Vietnam going on. Born in the early 80s, I've always envied your generation for getting to live the 50s and the 60s. Thanks for posting this gem again. It never fails to makes me smile. And thanks so much for sharing your filmmaker's vault with us. I really appreciate your documenting snippets and people of a bygone era.
-Pasi Palosaari, Saigon, Vietnam 🇻🇳
I would say that Marty is a product of the environment/culture in which he was raised. Having lived in New York City, I encountered men like this. There are certain kinds of men who think women owe them affection. Marty's behavior at the beginning of the film displayed that. Would I have felt safe around this guy? Not really. I think he would always be trying to make a move.
Oh goodness, what an experience. I can say that I am not treated that way these days, if that amounts to anything. ❤️❤️
Bravo, my friend! You gave him the stage and he ran with it. What a fascinating seeming person. Now, I've got to go watch the whole thing. There were certainly times I felt a very sad recognition that these women were being openly used and absolutely abused and no one said word one about it. It turned my stomach to see it so laid bare and honest. There is so much to unpack there. I cherish your sort of nonjudgmental point of view in your documentaries. You present people how they are. You give them the respect of letting them speak for themselves.
Thank you Mac for your comment. If your resources allow, I would sure appreciate your using the THANKS button under any of my videos including the one you have commented on. It is something new that UA-cam is beta testing and would mean a great deal for my continuing efforts.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker It was that you felt the need to explain yourself and the context of this video to avoid hurting sensibilities what showed how far we have slid down in the cultural scale. Thank you for striving to preserve a visual testimony of history instead of merely trying to cancel it.
@@otomo129 I don't get why so many people think that being thoughtful and polite toward others is such a bad thing. I was taught to be sensitive to the feelings of others because that's just a nice, caring thing to do. I don't let myself be ruled by what others think but I try to always at least take it into account out of neighb orliness and friendliness. I don't do this to only the people I agree with either. Everyone gets an automatic reserve of respect from me. You have to work to lose it. People who mock that or think that's dumb baffle me.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker what happened to Murray?
I love this clip, David. You bet it’s culturally relevant, and as usual, something like this really comes across the decades in an understandable and surprising way. Maybe the world itself doesn’t change so much or perhaps it does- but it is undeniable how much ‘the world’ of human society changes. At least it’s evident from within that system, living in our world that is, when set side by side with this film that you captured half a century ago. And I would assert that Murray, while not exactly Everyman, was not an anomaly in his day. There is a sort of ‘Murray’ still extant today, though I think much more uncommon. In short, our individual world aligns with the collective world view, and changes with the times and so we are all a product of our times. Murray is such a character- misogynistic, bombastic and loud, and often an absurd caricature, but intrinsically human and of his times. I love your videos David. Where else will we find such interesting and often intimate and personal snapshots of American culture if not in films like yours?
9:55 the "Murray King" story. Always love the work.
Yes, well done something I did not expect.
Nobody that I know hopefully acts that way but I'm sure there are people like that out there.
Fascinating David. Keep it up
my honest impression is that he seems like a genuine and generally good-natured guy, but the way he gets so close and moves around a lot unnerves me. that's mostly speaking to my trauma or whatever, it would kind of depend on how quick to anger he is, but my mind sometimes interprets loud vivacousness as just a loud yelling angry voice and my amygdala gets crazy.
i like his personal philosophy from his speaking later in the video, in smaller settings he is much more manageable 🤣
Brilliant. My father was a bartender in Los Gatos, CA, back in the 60's. I had many encounters, as a child, with men like this ... typically intoxicated, with the power of alcohol loosening their tongues enough to reveal their truth. Though their behavior was often rather obnoxious, brash, and belligerent, I was somehow still a bit enamored with their character, humor, and innocent comfort of confidence, despite their obvious flaws.
I've been treated like that woman was in fact this was in the 80's and the man was definitely old school from the 50's and 60's calling women "Broad's" and young girl's "Teeny Bopper's" and such was very annoying to say the least but I pretty much ignored him as much as possible lol
I was groped by a couple of drunk "businessmen" on a flight once in the early 80s. They were drunk and obnoxious before they boarded the flight. The flight attendants seemed disgusted with these guys, but did nothing about it. Nowadays, they'd land the plane and kick them off the flight, and I'm glad.
Broad is a term that is definitely coming back around with young people today
God Bless you, Hoffman! Absolutely love your content. You're an excellent documentarian & filmmaker. We're all lucky to have you sharing your life's work with us. Thank you! 👏👏👏😎
This was so interesting. A time capsule. Yes, I believe there are still men like this but it's less acceptable and therefore less common. I wonder if his wife (he mentions his wife towards the end) saw this and what she thought. And if he had kids- if they saw it I'd think it would be hard to watch.
Murray was honest about who he was.
In the beginning, I couldn't stand the guy but after listening to him for awhile, I found him entertaining & honest. And yes, we're still thinking/acting like that today (unfortunately).
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Thank you for your comment. I understand your sentiment and the possible changes that take place when watching.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker But I will watch your documentary today in its entirety.
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He reminds me a lot of Joe Pesci. He played these kind of characters many times.
Saw the whole movie, quite interesting and gave some insight as to what roles men and women had back then. We have come a long way since then. I remember my father had one of those “springy things “ he used as part of his workout routine 😂!
Thank you for your comment and for watching the film CherylAnn.
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Murray is like most of us,his own worst enemy. He is ,as they say, full of it. I have met worse and I have been able to handle myself so I am lucky that way. Let's face it, humans are quite silly.
Man I love your work. I need to watch the full film shortly because I want to know what happened to Murray. This film is fantastic because on the surface it would be very easy to judge Murray, to find his attitude and approach to life disdainful. But the more I listen to him, the more I realise that humanity is such a multi layer of complexity. And in many ways, we are all parts of Murray.
Everybody knows a guy like Murray. Not necessarily a bad guy but he ain’t a good one either😂
Always brilliant videos David. Thank you for sharing. Very interesting.
I really don't find anything shocking in this clip. Will watch the whole documentary when able. Congrats, David, on your success! Thank you.
Murray should have been an actor. He’s got Joe Pesci character vibes.
BINGO!! 😆
Exactly what I thought.
You know David when I was born in 1976 you'll get a Bicentennial birth certificate and your print paper that's also has your feet and hands ink printed, the bicentennial birth certificate is a rare kind of thing cause they did that only for that year. I was just thinking this I know it was something off topic, thanks for sharing this video today Mr. Hoffman much appreciated and interesting.🎃🙂👍👍🎥
You should work with Fran Lab and get your old films restored!
Love Fran.
Good idea but unfortunately I do not have the funds.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker She's done some great work restoring a lot of old films on her channel. You might see how much it would cost--maybe you could crowdfund this one. I've seen her really work miracles restoring color to old films.
@DARK KATACLYSM That is very exciting but I cannot find Fran Lab as a company that digitizes 16mm. Can you help?
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@@RalphBarbagallo I visited a UA-cam channel called FRANLAB but I see no restoration of any films which requires sophisticated digitization equipment that play 16mm. Just a woman speaking about her life and the work that she does. I am confused.
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Especially in the big cities this still goes on.
I don't think he is really a bad guy. But he is quite a character.
I would love to know what this man thought & felt at the end if his life.
Probably I had a crazy life and lived it to the max
@@19aries81 Living ‘well’ and dying miserable are two sides of the same coin. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light.
@@haydeanbeatz1449 i don't know did he die miserable ? Ppl like this with larger than life personas tend to be not right deep down but I don't know anything else about this guy
Men do not act like this as a rule today however chauvinism and misogyny are still around. I started working in the early 80'a and the behavior of men over the years, in my opinion, has most certainly changed for the better.
In viewing the airport scene and seeing the soldiers in the background …I can only wonder if they were sent to Viet Nam and if they made it back.
I love these videos! every once and a while after school after a long day I lay on my bed and watch these videos, the way people lived back then always impresses me and in a way it feels like in a time machine
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You couldn't script something like this and make it any better. Hollywood has been putting "Murray" in movies and TV for a long time. If someone was looking for a muse for a New York/New Jersey, Sapranos-type character THIS IS IT!
Thank you Casey. That is quite a compliment.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker I've been subscribed to your channel for a long time you were actually the first channel I subscribe to. I live in the mountains of Northeast Tennessee in a little town called Hampton. There's really nothing here interesting enough to tell a story about but there are hundreds of little stories within this town and the people in it regarding the damage that drugs and drug addiction has caused. How could a town with just over 2,000 people have a homeless problem?
Can't handle the loudmouth attitude. The behavior with women is inexcusable. Men with no filter and no sense of boundaries get on my nerves.
I understand how you feel Julie
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I had a Sicilian friend like this. He became very successful. Opinionated, physically and mentally strong, and what came outta his moth was biblical:)
Tell me more about your friend’s moth.
You mean that this garbage is the way for a man to become successful and strong ?!!
@@mennamuhsen1637 Not his attitude for women but his demeanor in general, as in the man in the video. He's a happily married guy, and his wife is a strong political figure. I've known the guy since Jr. High. I mentioned zero concerning his relationship with females.
“You wanna ask about my personal life now” lmao man this was layered , being a Long Island boy myself this was very entertaining. I was wrong by my initial assumptions.
He is a major jerk and yes, I would think there are people like him still around and probably even worse. However, most of them have charges pressed against them for their behavior.
Yes, today Men still do this to Women. And today Women also do this to Men.
Oh, how we've progressed.....
But that was about the time the legendary singles bar mind games began. By the mid 1980s the game had pretty much wound down thanks to the AIDS scare. I never was successful at picking up women in bars. In disadvantages areas there were what I liked to refer to as “closet hookers” who, while not out on the streets back in what now seems like the Stone Age pre-internet, would beg you to buy them a drink and then it graduated from there.
These are super awesome clips of the past that you were able to preserve and compile. Been fascinated to watch past events and cross compare them to present situation. Thank you and will keep on following on your new content.
It’s shocking to see Murray’s behavior towards women… truly repulsive stuff. My lived experience only spans two decades but it’s sobering to see how far we’ve come as a society. Then to see him confessing his misery in a late night drunken rant (which boys/men still have a tendency to do these days) is quite the trip. Excellent documentary work - like the review said, strong emotions either way!
It was truly repulsive.
Oh yes! David, I grew up around the “country” versions of Murray. The only real difference was their accents! 😂
Wishing you well David. ❤
David, when did Murray pass away ? Thank you.
Thanks for this time capsule
It's fascinating.
You are beyond genius xo...excellent coverage
that guy was a special character lol
Belated congtats on your big win at Cannes. I love your suggestion.. eat, drink, & be Murray!
I miss them good old 80s when this wasn’t that long ago.
There is a certain genuineness to his character. He's a product of his generation, but overall, as you point out, he cares about people. He has a conscience and a moral compass. As for his career aspirations, he would have made a perfect film producer, he's right out of central casting in that department. I liked him too after seeing that. Apparently, after some research, his real name was Shmuel Moshe Ginsberg, and he died in 2012.
Murray reminds me of guys who had girl friends that would tell me, "My boy friend is such a jerk. I wish I could meet a nice guy like you." My reply wold be something like, "Well, I would like to go out with you." Then the girl would say, "Oh, no I could never date a guy like you." Moral: There were good guys and jerks then, there are good guys and jerks now. There will always be men like that. In all fairness, there has been and always be the extremes of women as well. Good film and reminder of how not to be a man, David.
Yup actions speak louder than words. They are such hypocrites
Kudos to you for your award and for that mirror shot with the springs; priceless! I knew a lot if Murrays then and since and they never go away and are always loud, obnoxious with a look at me attitude. If anyone calls them put, it 'was only a joke; can't take a joke?'. I personally would just squeeze their nuts and call them out and the blustering was always the same. They are and have always been a$$ho!es and whether or not they were good guys to others, perpetuated their meanness and a 'I take what I want when I want it' attitude. They were and are huge boors and are very hard to be around for very long. They are still alive and well in the 21st century but now most women can see/smell them coming along from a mile away.
Nothing has changed!
I had friends who acted like Murray in the mid 90s, when I was in my early twenties. The main reason I stopped hanging out with these friends was because of their treatment and attitude towards women. It was crude, borish and childish. On the other side of the coin, the women who hung out with my friends encouraged it, simply by not walking away. It's not hard to encourage bad behavior in some men. I've since reconnected with some of these old friends and the women we hung out with. Most have changed, matured, but some have gone in predictable directions with terrible broken marriages and a lack of career momentum. It's simply not acceptable in today's world to hold that kind of attitude towards women, especially when you consider you will likely have a woman boss.
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The question has to be asked.... Did you end up buying insurance from him?
Stupidly, no. He would've given me better advice than I got.
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Murray reminds me of Joe Pesci the way he talks!
Great little piece of late-mid 20th century documentary film-making. I assume it is shot on 16mm film although it is almost raw looking enough so as to mimic Super-8. His behavior made me very uncomfortable (even as a man). Today, he would have multiple lawsuits lobbed at him for this kind of behavior. But it is fascinating to see what kind of behavior was tolerated 50+ years ago as opposed to today although these kinds of brash showmen will always exist. Thanks for this, David, and all your work that you have shared on UA-cam. Very illuminating.
Thank you. Yes. 16 mm. Read my description.
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Before anyone starts calling me sexist, I’ll have you know that I own a wife.
BAHAHAHA...🤣🖖
I’m not sexist. Sexism is wrong, and being wrong is for women!
Mr. Hoffman: you are a brilliant filmmaker, & your important work has expanded many a mind. I can only hope you’re still making films 20 yrs from now. You’re truly a genius, and an indispensable cultural mirror
Thank you Justin.
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You have a keen sense, you’re ahead of your time.
Unfortunately, yes there are many men who definitely act this way. Trump, for one and Putin for another 😆 I always wonder about their parents, and how they learned to gain self assurance through others, but never see anyone clearly, even themselves. I don’t think this man saw himself anything like others saw him, or as we do. It seems necessary for their character (not that it was all bad - it’s not, (we see some of his sensitivity and sensibility and even vulnerability) it’s the behavior that gets out of hand). You did an amazing job drawing him out. I cringed at your bluntness and exactitude bc it was spot on but then had to ask myself why that made me on edge and realized it was bc I felt this guy was more vulnerable than you - that it’s mainly a big bluff. It doesn’t mean he’s to be coddled, or feared (although he might be more aggressive, outwardly) but I can imagine people going out of their way to stay out of his way.
It’s a very interesting documentary, though - we do love to watch these people! I’d love to see more of your docs from your earlier years! ❤thanks for sharing!
I’d love to see the rest of this! I’m so excited to hear you posted it with the link and I’m not even a drinker but, this is fascinating!
Feel my muscles 😄 that was funny.
Your content is so cool
Look how much room planes had back in those days. And they're smoking cigars!
Now in days more and more women are beginning to do the same thing and it seems like some men still do this but not all men. Women should always be protected and respected. If shes disrespectful towards you simply walk away. Not very hard
I know guys like these- loud, know-it-all, mysoginists. Seeing everyone bashing Murray has given me somewhat of a degree of therapy.
Murray was annoying the hell out of me after 3 or 4 minutes.
The way he treated them!
Disgusting!!
Hi, David. Did you ever end up buying insurance from Murray?
Good question. I didn't. But looking back on it, he probably would've been better than what I did (or didn't) do.
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So hard to watch. The problem with the spring machine - it tears your chest hairs out with each movement.
Oh man, he is so annoying that I can’t even watch the video. His personality is the polar opposite of mine.
So I see a man with an inflated ego that he portrays to the world, in most cases there's something behind that like tears of a clown? If you get my drift? Interesting yes I understand why you would like him
I'll watch it!
He reminds me of a cross between Del Boy Joe Pesci, this guy was probably coked up to his eyeballs, certainly a larger than life character I like the guy
That’s how flying really was too!!!
Rude, Crude and Lewd
I've met a few Murray's in my life, especially having a sales background... Perhaps a little more subdued with women because of the time we live in... I think in those times that's what it took for someone that sold intangibles, to be successful. A bit of a blowhard, a bit larger then life, and a he's definitely always closing the deal. Im not going to be guilty of presentism and judge Murray by today's standards... He seems like a very typical man of that era, they worked hard and played hard. I think I would have liked Murray.
I like him. I met a few men like him back in the ‘70’s and, tho he’s not my type romantically speaking, he puts it all out there & is who he is. There’s something to be said for that, don’t you think?
Great footage, interesting character.
😂😂😂😂 that dude was so funny and so cool in his time
My friends and I would probably call him a wise guy. Due to too many mobster movies lol. Yes absolutely people still behave this way. I wonder what his childhood was like?🤔
Question: How old was Murray when this was recorded? I'm guessing early 40s. Thank you!
Wow de ju vu
I remember 1968 very well.
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT - the guy could sell ice to the Eskimos - Good thing this was pre cocaine
I know if I treated a woman like that my Step-dad would have took me in the garage and shook the hell out of me. Honestly my Mother might have done it first.
Wow this really triggered me, this happened to me (and worse) during my childhood and teenagers (60's-70's). I was very surprised this triggered me because I'm a tough cookie. I couldn't finish this video. The women's movement started and women began to fight back and standing up for our civil rights. The culture has changed it's gotten better. Unfortunately there are some men that still think this way and act this way. I love your work I love documentary filmmaking. I will eventually watch the documentary it looks great but wow it really triggered the trauma. You might want put a trigger warning on this piece. ✌️❤️
Hell, I was triggered and I'm a cis guy. My experience with unasked for physical contact is limited to gay bars where there is a lot of groping going on in my experience. I haven't minded that much but I have never felt out of control of the situation or powerless to stop it. I'll tell you though, watching those women react really got me in the feels. I'm sorry you had to experience that!
Like a caricature from a Hunter Thompson book.
I wonder if this guy from the video is related to Tim Dillon lol
Hi David I really like your films 🌸🌾🌼🌿 I love late sixties,early seventies era even though I was a baby at the time,but my mum & dad moved from England to San Francisco Haight Ashbury in 1967,where I was conceived 🌹 I am fascinated by your real life films do you have any of San Francisco,my mum & dad moved back to England in 1968 but I'm still interested,I just lost my dad 🌷😪 so it would be meaningful,thanks Paula,England x
Search the words "San Francisco" on my UA-cam channel.
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I wake up in the morning. Demand my wife smile. Because I like it. Then pinch her on the butt. I then work all day. Occasionally stopping to do some cyber bullying. I get home, eat a nice steak, pinch that butt again, then laugh myself to sleep watching the Gillette best a man can be commercial. Life is grand when you act like a man.
Thank you for sharing your imaginary experience. Good storytelling.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker if you only knew.
Thanks!
Tommy. Thank you for the support. I look forward to seeing what you are up to.
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I think he's grotesque, and I find his "depths" to still be far too superficial to be given the benefit of charity. His motormouth is entirely an attempt to get his hands and body in places they shouldn't be.
Wow... Murray was somethin else😬 good grief! What great clips. I'm sure you were annoyed with him while filming😂
I definitely believe that men who act this way usually believe they deserve something more than the rest of us. Celebrities get caught acting this way quite often, but it definitely can come from any man experiencing 'illusions of grandeur' on a varying scale when it comes to how they view themselves.
I went on 1 date with a man who started off by telling me i was great and had everything he wanted but blonde hair, tried to convince me to not date anyone else while he attempted to find a 'blonde version' of me and then after walking me to my car, attempted to grab my breast and got a punch to the stomach.
He talked a lot about how he was "going to change the world" and needed a woman who would do whatever he wanted/needed when he was home and not talk to him when he was in surgery(he was trying to get into medical school at the time.🙄)
he definitely believed he was everything and anything a lady could want in a man and everythinga medical school could want in a student.
Pride and delusion definitely has something to do with that kind of man! But luckily, he was the only Murray i ever experienced and i dated a ton!
Thanks for sharing , David!
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He kinda reminds me of Joe Peschie's character in the movie Casino
*The Glory Days*