The U.S. involvement in Vietnam was a huge mistake. So many on both sides were slaughtered & maimed, & in the end, little else had been accomplished. It was easy to see the U.S. should get out of it. It was definitely a conflict worthy of being protested against. So these comfortable middle class, somewhat naïve, young college kids wanted to help stop the bloodshed somehow. They were passionate. Sometimes brave, sometimes foolish, but that's how most young people are. So here she's matured. She has insight into her own behaviors & has developed her way of thinking. I don't understand why a commenter would call her self-righteous or stupid. Sometimes people standing up for something are simply acting righteously. Very impressive interview/document.
Unfortunately, there was such a lack of radical opposition in the USSR against their own war crimes. All of them would have been sent to mental hospitals where quack shrinks forced pain-causing medicine. Amnesty International confirmed this in the 1980's.
I wouldn't say there was no cause for them to go. Look at Pol Pot in Cambodira. But they didn't have enough strategy to properly deal with the situation. A bit too brazen. It was a big learning curve for US foreign policy and shaped how they dealt with Kuwait and Iraq. This collapsed with 9/11. A difficult time in history all around
Most people don't think period! They go by what they "feel" which is the worst way to go through life. Yes feelings have a place, AFTER you've thought about a subject. NOT before.
@@newjerseyyouth4853 You pay you taxes, but the Government is not giving value for the taxes you pay. Increase taxes is not good for the economy. I know of people who earn pretty well, and would never have a problem getting work especially when you have a trade. They will not overtime or half of their income will go into tax.
David, this is powerful stuff. Her concluding remark "People are people, and their motivations are something I can identify with. I stand in judgement... of no one" is the single attitude that would repair the breaches of trust and decency in our societies today. I love this interview series.
This woman has given a lot of thought and soul searching into her past, and is clearly still passionate about her principles. I knew some of the Weathermen , but my activities at that time were helping Draft Dodgers into Canada, and building new identities for them. I also respected, (and still do), those men who went to Vietnam for a variety of reasons…I just believed the men should have a choice. I used to help prepare new people for peaceful protest, telling them no violence, no trespassing, have a buddy system, and stick to the topic. Over time, I would give the talk without listening to myself, and one day I was surprised to hear myself saying…”And when the cops charge, fall to the ground, take a foetal position, clasp your hands over the back of your neck and pretend you have already been hit.”. Gradually, the protests had evolved into physical confrontations, and we weren’t starting the escalation of violence, but we DID become more accustomed to it, and took it in stride. We added things to our list, like eye protection, water and face covering…but we never added weapons. Thank you for sharing part of her story with us, she is an excellent speaker.🖤🇨🇦
@@johnroland7081 Hello John, I’m doing well thanks…Spring is finally beginning to win out over Winter, and I am so ready for green leaves and flowers. My bees aren’t out and about much yet…but soon now. I hope this finds you and yours well and happy.🖤🇨🇦
I remember watching this a couple of years ago, and it was extremely fascinating as a historical document.. re-watching it now it feels contemporary and relevant! Surreal.
It was my set up that caused her to say what she said. Set up is critical to getting interviews like these where people just share the whole story as they see it at that moment. David Hoffman filmmaker
But weren't some questions cut out? Like for instance at 7:48 some question like "what were the following actions you participated in?" seems to be missing.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker you are modest, but you made her comfortable enough to open up instead of carrying that inside like gun powder. Thank you, David. Of course thank you for sharing with us. But mostly thank you for listening to her, allowing her to speak without interruption and whatever comfort that you gave to this young lady before and after she spoke. You are a very unique and powerful human being. I thank God for you and allowing me to enjoy your UA-cam videos at this special time in my life. WOW! 🤩 I can only imagine the Home that awaits you in our Father’s house! HaHa apologies for slipping topic, as I usually try to avoid religion & politics. She mentioned churches & I thought, oh no. This is why I usually clarify that I am a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ and not affiliated with ANY RELIGIONS. Unfortunately, many but not all, have a tendency to turn into hate groups and I love all people from everywhere. Of course darkness is only the absence of light, yet we can’t have one without the other. Babies aren’t born speaking, so each are taught the language & beliefs of their environment while in their innocence. Most are taught of a Higher Power, our Creator, and some only taught science. None are born without heart and soul. My friends have come from many nations & religions, none of which I hate or criticize. You have such a beautiful light and help so many, including me, that I felt a deep need to thank you Sir. Thank you for helping so many people. I wish you and your wife eternal happiness, knowing this world does give us all some troubles. So I pray that your troubles be few and blessings plentiful. This film obviously touched my heart deeply. Enjoy the upcoming week, for you have truly made this weekend better for many with your works. Too many words from me, so pardon typos. ~
If you lived in those times,the VIBE was so different than today,you would have to have been there to understand fully,thank god I lived and grew up during these times.And god bless her,and thank you.
The Weathermen confused violence with milantancy & eventually triggered the downfall of the more peaceful anger of the SDS protests. This woman is right to point out that the knowledge of DowChemical,s involvement as a major tipping point. Along with ROTC recruiting on the campuses. Many of my older brethren always will say " the violent protests were inishiated by the police, & embellished by the media. This woman, years later, recognises that the right voices were being drowned out by the minority of a more revolutionary faction. This I believe is a cautionary tale for activists today. She gives an interesting honest retrospective of her feelings , years apart. Another outstanding interview , of the "Confusion for Peace" shared by David Hoffman
ua-cam.com/video/q0poPtpqsgc/v-deo.html I often go through Dwight, IL on my way to Chicago and let people in any given gas station and fast food place that a Weather Underground terrorist is buried in Dwight. Her name is Diane Oughton, granddaughter of a founder of The Boys Scouts and featured in the unknown movie Katherine starring Sissy Spacek and Henry Winkler. The house behind Art Carney is in Dwight. Every person in Dwight I spoke with do not know about her although the last lady (gas station cashier) knows an Oughton and she mentioned that beautiful house.
This is amazing footage because it shows us that we haven’t learned a damn thing in 50 years and it’s about to repeat again. David is telling you very subtly to learn SOMETHING from this!
Wait what. That’s what you got from this. Jesus help people like you. Everything makes a difference and change. Might be quiet and subtle but definitely working!! Keep your negative comments to self.
I just happened to come across this video and it's today 😊 she is interesting to watch and learn. Thanks for sharing this video David Hoffman film maker. Much appreciated
Very interesting to hear about this woman's life as a protester. Going into the churches and her experience with the police. Thanks for showing this interview. She speaks very well and gives a good description.
Lots of people in the comments talking down about protesting. If more people protested the Vietnam War then maybe we would have left Vietnam sooner, imperialism is bad.
I would like to believe that, however I just listened to a VERY interesting interview RFK Jr gave and he talked about the CIA's involvement in the assassination of his uncle JFK and his father RFK. He said, JFK was going to pull our troops out of Vietnam and he was assassinated for it. His Father was also going to end the war and it was clear he was most likely going to win the presidency and he was assassinated for it as well. In his farewell speech 2 days before JFK took office, Eisenhower warned us about the power and corruption of the military industrial complex and how it is the enemy from within. If they are willing to assassinate our POTUS and a Senator that may have become POTUS over the Vietnam war I doubt people protesting the war, no matter how many, would have had any meaningful impact. And I say this with a heavy heart btw, 2 of my brother in laws were in Nam. It was a really fascinating interview, it's on UA-cam.
She very insightful about her life... I appreciate hearing her youth. I remember soldiers memories of war in military. I remember the civilians protesting. Confusing times indeed... everyone is entitled to their opinions and without hate or violence . Unfortunately, in the real world its not perfect. This interview was nice to listen too. Great one David👍
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I recognize this. Lived through something similar myself. I wonder if she's still alive. Whats she's doing now.
Recently, I just finished reading A Tale of Two Cities. One of the things the book taught me was that tyranny can arise from causes that started out with noble intentions. In the case of the French Revolution, the French citizenry had a legitimate desire to extinguish the power of the aristocracy, but like most social reform movements, they allowed the most bitter and radical among them to rise to the top. As a result, they ended up destroying their country. They executed anyone who even had the slightest connection to an aristocrat, including children. Many of the founders of the revolution ended up losing their ends. In the end, they just replaced one tyranny with another tyranny. This isn’t a left or right issue; it can happen to any movement. What happened on the sixth of January certainly evokes shadows of previous reigns of terror, but it can happen to any movement, left or right.
@@manp1039 The French Revolution led to the rise of Napoleon and the Napoleonic Wars. During the revolution, they were a democracy in name only. The country was still controlled by radical revolutionaries, most of whom had no respect for human rights. Some decisions were also made by mob rule, which is just another form of tyranny.
Mr. Hoffman, thank you for this insightful video. I was a 60's radical, protesting the war, worked as a volunteer in an experimental racial integration summer camp, had my run-ins with the fuzz and the hard hats, even ran for office on the Liberal Party line in NY. I still have my Moratorium button from old times. However, I was no bomb thrower. My friends and I never saw the Weathermen and their ilk as anything other than dangerous anarchists. Listening to this woman talk in 1989 is fascinating. She comes across to me as childish, showing no reflection on her attitudes and actions in those times, maintaining absolute moral certainty about herself. I also was certain about my convictions and my actions at the time. However, unlike this woman, as I matured and gained some perspective with time, I realized how naive and simplistic I had been. This video gives me insight into how the worst of the 60's has carried over to today's college campuses today. College students are still just as naive and certain that they have the moral high ground. Unfortunately, the "love" that we professed has now been replaced by a totalitarian hate. What a long strange trip it's been.
4:27 there will always be a certain type of person that is driven by the fulfillment of externalizing certainty and conviction. The ideas behind the conviction don't much matter, I mean if you KNOW it's true, who cares why, right?
Just discovered your channel and I’ve got to say; I really appreciate the work you have done. There’s something special about the way these old perspectives can literally make me feel like I am there
Graduated from College in 1967 and was sent to Federal building for pro induction physical .Protesters outside the building with signs. I failed my physical do to a high albumin level. Well soon they wanted to send for another physical. Had a degree in the biological and chemical sciences. So the country was in short supply of science teachers. I signed with a school system and was deferred. If I went in I would have wound up in aviation since I already had a pilots license. It worked out that I could teach school and head to the airport to instruct and work as a charter pilot. So I had thousands of hours and plenty risk over time. So I did not go to med school but still enjoyed what I was doing. However no one was shooting at me. Those guys were taking maximum risks.
I’m so glad everything worked out for you, Mr. Hay. I have so much respect for you also! You, sir, were prepared to get sent to fight. I think it shows that you are courageous and honorable! I hope you have a fantastic day! Thank you and God bless ♥️🙏🏻🇺🇸
As with all of David's posts, this interview is a national treasure, A chance for actors in history to reflect on their actions and observations ex post. I find all of your work in the great tradition of great journalists and historians I have long admired--to document rather than interject yourself into the story line. I cannot however say the same for the comments below so many of which complete miss her point on what perspective taught her. So many wish to praise her or condemn her on such abstract grounds and wholly without the context of her very specific actions. How to do that without being by her side and in her ahead as she did what she did? I simply cannot, but can only listen and hear between the lines. The fabric of society was clear torn and ripped apart during those years. And we picked up some of the pieces, others remain lost or elusive. We still need time to heal. Let us hope the country does not force itself down a path in which a similar look in the mirror results in the same type violence as in those years. We are still recovering and would not handle it well.
Thank you David for sharing this, a part of a poem i wish to share : Vietnam's Broken Soul's / Was God there and could he see Things suffered both by you and me If so how could He possibly be A God of Love ~ For answers you Plea... You are a gift David, thank you for all you do and share with us. Namaste
I simply love that woman. I remember the previous video with her, where she tells about 'being in a cult'. It's fascinating! True Christian way that the woman eventually comes to is so powerful that my first instinct would be to embrace her tightly if she'd be nearby. Thank you so very much for sharing this video, Mr. Hoffmann))
NOT VERY INTENSE. . . We are merely surprised by her clarity and frankness, and perhaps her willing level of transgressive-ness in these frightened times. It doesn't talk about her work with the Weathermen, or what actions actually made her a criminal and the subject of this story. Perhaps add some context with a profile of the Weathermen's crimes/ achievements. Otherwise it appears an isolated and meaningless interview for those not familiar with 1960s Activism. 'Criminal'. is speaking ln lazy Generalities for publicity..
Thank God for others with moral bravery such as myself! Thank you & God Bless, David! Your Seattle friend. It is not yet too late to ask Jesus into your hearts 🙏🏽❤️
It is truly sad how many young people of our generation turned out making bad decisions in the name of good intentions. Not only for ourselves but for our children who were raised, in many cases, by parents who were by morality and responsibility less than the greatest generation. As always David, thanks for sharing an insightful film.
A dr at the va told me, "Smart people get ptsd. Stupid people don't think about what they've done." Idk if thats true, but you are certainly more sensitive.
David, have you every done a video or series of videos on how you consruct interviews and select subjects etc to create these amazing, insightful films? I have been inspired by yourself and others to change my filmmaking style somewhat to be able to catch some of these stories before they are lost to time and I and many others would greatly value the sharing of your wisdom of this skill!
If you search the words "class" on my UA-cam channel I have posted seven videos on how I make documentaries which might be of help to you. I have done several clips on interviewing. And those who want to personally seek advice become patrons at patreon.com/allinaday a $25 or more a month and asked me questions which I answer in lengthy audio messages. Thank you for your query. David Hoffman filmmaker
David is she out there? I would love to hear her perspective of what is happening today. As a young person of this time period,with the same same philosophies, as this quite difficult time .... if you cared about the issue, but looks like child’s play, with what is happening in the USA today.
David Icke shares her views on attrocities carried out against a humble population It's not easy for these angels to put themselves on the spotlight and face the waves of hate/praise. It's a heavy. She has lifted a lot of pain on pur behalf. She has transmuted her pain and excpereiences. She has found the words to describe reality. We must find the same.
I am curious... how many people like her were in the USSR during their very brutal invasion and occupation of Afghanistan * and if there were any radical or even peaceful resistor against the Kremlin regarding the Afghan War? Same goes for Communist China and their treatment of Uigars, Tibetans, and Hong Cong people? Basically, in the U.S. it is comfortable for this American making this movie. Also, how many Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Loatians left to live in the U.S. when the Communists won as apposed to Afghans fleeing to Russia? LOL!!!! * (and Central Europe too b/c Hungary in 1956 was a bloodbath)....
That's an eye-opening opinion Indeed.. such voices must have been there. Certainly! And there wasn't anyone tp record an interview. The thought itself is hurtful. This is what we are up against as a collective. This os the ugly side we have to face till it gets better for all of us. Often, the ones who fought for a nations peace are not only the freedom fighters, but regular people who took a stand an held their ground... How many were there.. my goodness. I can't imagine.. surely there were more than our textbooks mentioned
A very brave and educated woman. A superpower must not instigate war in any nation. Causing a war in another country will divide the people at home. You will never be a superpower if you instigate civil unrest at home. Anti war is not a crime.
@@johnroland7081 How are John. I am leeping well. Thank you for an honest answer. We cannot let people in Government or any Institution do the thinking for us. Many of us have seen what happens when who is in power instigates a civil unrest agenda.
All I know is after the summer RFK was killed I pretty much gave up on elements of both societies, to much violence,hate, killing......it became useless to want to be part of it. I retired and just lived my own life to the best of my abilities.... screw the rest of them. That's my boomer story and I'm sticking with it. 🌍✌️🙏🇺🇲🌎
The 1960's and 1970's were turbulent years because of Vietnam policy. The government was lying to Americans about the war and why it was necessary, which was all a lie. The frustration of not being able to do anything about it is understandable, but I have to say, that although understandable, it was crazy to just arbitrarily decide that to protest the war by committing acts of violence in the form of bank robberies and bombings, and which was a mistake. Trying to change policy by committing violence wasn't the answer. I'm sure they would have been more effective instead of violence, finding more creative ways to convince law makers. However, no matter what, it wouldn't be easy. Committing violence didn't help their cause, unfortunately, and just made matters worse.
This is specific to the experience of those in imperialist countries. The settlers and colonizers. Revolutionaries of colonized nations went about changing society differently. She's talking about love vs violence here but in colonized nations their violence is combined with their love. Love for their own people and hate for those that would hurt their people. White radicals hate their people because they feel that they're the ones hurting those other people. There is no force to rally against except themselves. The Weather Men didn't work because, in my eyes, the people in it didn't have a clear understanding of themselves and their place in the world
Meh. Referring to the war as genocide is grossly wrong and diminishes the term. No fan of the war here, but we must remain accurate and objective to truly evaluate history.
@@johnroland7081 hi! its perfect autumn weather here atm,23C days,13C nights and the sunshine is wonderful after an unusually rainy,humid summer with terrible record breaking floods.
It’s hard to dissect but I think you said it well. We shouldn’t judge people we don’t know, but instead try to understand them better. But at the same time, we must keep our principles and judge based on right and wrong….. I think 😅
Reality seems real in the present moment, but learning to be a critical thinker, explore other perspectives rather than holding fast to an ideal can save a lot of grief from acting impulsively. We say that you can't put an old head on young shoulders, but you can if you teach them young enough. My daughter is 19 and has been taught to question her own perspectives from very young and today makes decisions I would say are far in advance of my 19 year old self 41 years ago.
While her intentions seem pure, if you replace one political ideology for another, you end up getting the exact same result. Case in point: every single revolution/reactionary movement in history. The solution is to FIRST take a hard look in the mirror, and know yourself. That is where everything starts. The outside world is a reflection of your own personal struggles, in aggregate.
Quote. Make it stop. Really. How naive some people are. Protesting will at best draw attention to a cause. Enabling lawmakers to think about actions. That’s the best hopeful outcome.
So you think that walking into a church and being obnoxious threatening accosting and disrespectful will win you support for your actions . Did you try ever talking and being polite and not being selfish with other peoples time and space ? How arrogant of you to think and act like protesting in the middle of someone else’s house and impeding on other peoples time is somehow you being a victim
Well I don’t regret Vietnam War because we brought a lot of Vietnamese over here one of which was my brother in law and a lot of my pharmacists were brought here by American soldiers so I don’t care . I love my coworkers and my brother in law and he lost everything where north Vietnamese took over his family home and they were forced to flee their land or be killed
It's not thou "shall not kill", the original Hebrew is thou shall not murder. As killing is necessary in certain instances .. these people really need to do their research before .. She's a outstanding story teller thou
Great point, the original transcripts say murder "as in homicide." There are lots of " drive by biblical scholars" who never cracked the book open, but hang onto snippets heard here and there.
“Screenshot scripture person” lol that was pretty funny. But I think the other commenter has a point, it was always taught “shalt not kill” in every church I ever went to. I was today years old when I learned it specifically refers to murder. So thank you for that.
Four pillars of social accountability: 1) Organised and capable citizen groups 2)an enabling environment with govt champions who are willing to engage 3) cultural appropriateness 4) access to information
And then the turn to the complete opposite at then end when she says she doesn’t judge anyone or anything. She has no moral or ethical code. From one radical extreme to the other. And, these are the people in charge of education, hollywood, msm, and a lot of politics in the all of the west today. Any wonder everything is so polarized?
I really enjoyed the video. I think she was easily manipulated but, she was young. But, again, I absolutely love the clip, I do not like her ideology. My father was drafted, he was in the war, He did his civil duty. HE is a hero, in my eyes. While he was in an actual war, doing his duty as a man, it’s disturbing to see someone with freedom to do anything she wanted, she is nothing but a coward. WOW! She went through so much…. Nah. She chose to go disrupt and fight, my daddy didn’t. She doesn’t have remorse, in my opinion. Have a great weekend. God bless.🙏🏻♥️
Did you really just call her a coward? Did you even listen to her experiences? And to see the channel owner liked the comment… wow, David Hoffman I thought you were a decent person. Guess not.
@@magesalmanac6424, yes, I listened to the whole video. I’m guessing you think she did anything good? I think she was a naive young lady that was manipulated to cause destruction. Again, she CHOSE to do things that caused fellow Americans to suffer. Soldiers (some volunteered/others drafted) had no choice. Do you think they were having a big party over there? Do you have anyone close (family) that are in the military? Do you know how they were treated when they finally came home? Or IF they made it back?! There certainly weren’t any parades or celebrations, people would spit on them and call them the most disgusting things. And the nerve of questioning Mr. Hoffman’s decency, because he “liked” my post, as I’m quite sure he does to all posts. WOW! Normal people can disagree with someone and respect the others views. Do you have that ability? Anyway, to answer your original question, YES, I absolutely did state that I feel she was a coward. I hope you have a pleasant night. Bless your little heart.🙏🏻♥️😁
We forget that propaganda was as prolific in the past. The anti-Vietnam protests in the US were instrumental to the Viet Cong's guerrilla movement in South Vietnam. It was used to prove that the US didn't actually want Vietnam to have its own democracy, it actually wanted to turn Vietnam into another America. So, everything this woman did and said actually worsened everything by magnitudes. She became the communist prop that led to more and more extremist tactics between Vietnamese, as more and more people became convinced that supporting the communist path was Vietnam's only hope for itself. This is exactly what Yuri Bezmenov described in his famous interview, which when one realizes the communist movement in Vietnam was the product of Russian interventionism after WW2 to keep the US from establishing military power in South Asia after Japan's slave trade was ended. In a lot of ways, yes, it was a bad idea for Americans to take up the fight for South Vietnam. But knowing the oft-unmentioned details, it's hard to believe that a lot of the worst of that war was specifically the result of people like this woman and Jane Fonda. These people became the posterchildren for a new threat of western expansionism, which only incentivized VC to fight with more brutality. I wonder if she ever thinks of the 1+ million Vietnamese that narrowly avoided mass slaughter because of the Saipan evacuations. She should. She played a huge role in the war ending with the Viet Cong literally killing and destroying everyone and everything that was affiliated with democracy.
Pro war politics made its way through the moral majority via churches in that era and is still prominent today . The church already had its propaganda against rock and pop music going on well into the mid 60's so why is that idiotic?
@@Briansmusic- Idk, I think they are just repeating rhetoric from their party. More of politics leaking into church as opposed to churches being political propaganda machines. I also think it’s kind of a fallacy to look at it as immoral too. Church goers could easily rationalize Communism as categorically evil making the war a moral one in their eyes. I mean we’re the crusades not a thing? Certain wars are still considered moral. I think it’s equally ridiculous that churches have an expectation of preventing war especially considering the past
@@Briansmusic- Also, it’s idiotic because the government going to war not the church. How is it not idiotic? Would you protest the church because Apple uses slave labor to make products? It makes no sense. You protest Apple for what Apple does. The churches didn’t agree to invade. The US government did
And you're proud of yourself imperialist Nazi Your country that you probably support have killed hundreds of thousands in Vietnam and all of those people since 500,000 innocent people in Iraq and you still think you did the right thing You're just proving a racist and you support Nazis in Ukraine today I'm sure
No she was not proud of herself she's looking back on the indiscretions of Youth she grimaced when she said the nonviolent group She has learned her mistakes and admitted them and she will change you on the other hand are worse and you have not admitted your mistakes
Would you stop your individuality trip your egotistical trip of greed by being a capitalist you will understand you are connected to a world you are not so independent that you evolve as a species you evolve in community and you will feel like it one child is hurt that you are hurt that if one goes hungry that you go hungry if one does not have a home that you do not have a home and if one is a press that you are oppressed and then and only then you might think of rising up
I don't release the names of the people that I interviewed in 1989 without their permission and unfortunately, I don't have hers. David Hoffman filmmaker
Here are More Radicals From That Time - ua-cam.com/video/Hfn_m66XTQQ/v-deo.html
The U.S. involvement in Vietnam was a huge mistake. So many on both sides were slaughtered & maimed, & in the end, little else had been accomplished. It was easy to see the U.S. should get out of it. It was definitely a conflict worthy of being protested against.
So these comfortable middle class, somewhat naïve, young college kids wanted to help stop the bloodshed somehow. They were passionate. Sometimes brave, sometimes foolish, but that's how most young people are.
So here she's matured. She has insight into her own behaviors & has developed her way of thinking. I don't understand why a commenter would call her self-righteous or stupid. Sometimes people standing up for something are simply acting righteously.
Very impressive interview/document.
Unfortunately, there was such a lack of radical opposition in the USSR against their own war crimes. All of them would have been sent to mental hospitals where quack shrinks forced pain-causing medicine. Amnesty International confirmed this in the 1980's.
Whats changed...
I wouldn't say there was no cause for them to go. Look at Pol Pot in Cambodira. But they didn't have enough strategy to properly deal with the situation. A bit too brazen. It was a big learning curve for US foreign policy and shaped how they dealt with Kuwait and Iraq. This collapsed with 9/11. A difficult time in history all around
Those who survived were damaged from the death, murder and were traumatized for the rest of their lives.
They treated the retiring vets with no respect.
Thinking about what you’re thinking about is a sign of maturity. Most people do not think about what they’re thinking about.
How Very Very TRUE!!!
Most people don't think period! They go by what they "feel" which is the worst way to go through life. Yes feelings have a place, AFTER you've thought about a subject. NOT before.
well said
The only criminal thing I have done during wars is pay my taxes.
We pay taxes to Irrelavent governments. Noone has the right to intrude into your consciousness.
True
@@newjerseyyouth4853 You pay you taxes, but the Government is not giving value for the taxes you pay. Increase taxes is not good for the economy. I know of people who earn pretty well, and would never have a problem getting work especially when you have a trade. They will not overtime or half of their income will go into tax.
That's an insightful statement.. a painful but true reality
@@julians7697 And the "Missing the Point of the Original Post Award" goes to... Julian S.
David, this is powerful stuff. Her concluding remark "People are people, and their motivations are something I can identify with. I stand in judgement... of no one" is the single attitude that would repair the breaches of trust and decency in our societies today.
I love this interview series.
This woman has given a lot of thought and soul searching into her past, and is clearly still passionate about her principles. I knew some of the Weathermen , but my activities at that time were helping Draft Dodgers into Canada, and building new identities for them. I also respected, (and still do), those men who went to Vietnam for a variety of reasons…I just believed the men should have a choice. I used to help prepare new people for peaceful protest, telling them no violence, no trespassing, have a buddy system, and stick to the topic. Over time, I would give the talk without listening to myself, and one day I was surprised to hear myself saying…”And when the cops charge, fall to the ground, take a foetal position, clasp your hands over the back of your neck and pretend you have already been hit.”. Gradually, the protests had evolved into physical confrontations, and we weren’t starting the escalation of violence, but we DID become more accustomed to it, and took it in stride. We added things to our list, like eye protection, water and face covering…but we never added weapons. Thank you for sharing part of her story with us, she is an excellent speaker.🖤🇨🇦
Hello Tamara
How are you doing?
@@johnroland7081 Hello John, I’m doing well thanks…Spring is finally beginning to win out over Winter, and I am so ready for green leaves and flowers. My bees aren’t out and about much yet…but soon now. I hope this finds you and yours well and happy.🖤🇨🇦
@@tamarrajames3590 That's great
@@tamarrajames3590 Where do you live in the united state?
What a courageous woman. She’s not the criminal, the government and its misuse of the civil rights is the criminal
How is the weather over there?
A lot of them were criminals. A lot of them committed all kinds of criminal activity.
Hello friend
@@junfan9748 Hello
This woman if in Communist China or in the USSR would be dead.
I remember watching this a couple of years ago, and it was extremely fascinating as a historical document.. re-watching it now it feels contemporary and relevant!
Surreal.
Greetings
How is the weather over there?
Wow. You didn't ask her any questions, she just went off the cuff for 15 minutes straight. Interesting story!
It was my set up that caused her to say what she said. Set up is critical to getting interviews like these where people just share the whole story as they see it at that moment.
David Hoffman filmmaker
But weren't some questions cut out? Like for instance at 7:48 some question like "what were the following actions you participated in?" seems to be missing.
Those things cut out may be a question, may be a glass of water or a bathroom break but everything that she said is here.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker you are modest, but you made her comfortable enough to open up instead of carrying that inside like gun powder. Thank you, David. Of course thank you for sharing with us. But mostly thank you for listening to her, allowing her to speak without interruption and whatever comfort that you gave to this young lady before and after she spoke. You are a very unique and powerful human being. I thank God for you and allowing me to enjoy your UA-cam videos at this special time in my life. WOW! 🤩 I can only imagine the Home that awaits you in our Father’s house! HaHa apologies for slipping topic, as I usually try to avoid religion & politics. She mentioned churches & I thought, oh no. This is why I usually clarify that I am a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ and not affiliated with ANY RELIGIONS. Unfortunately, many but not all, have a tendency to turn into hate groups and I love all people from everywhere. Of course darkness is only the absence of light, yet we can’t have one without the other. Babies aren’t born speaking, so each are taught the language & beliefs of their environment while in their innocence. Most are taught of a Higher Power, our Creator, and some only taught science. None are born without heart and soul. My friends have come from many nations & religions, none of which I hate or criticize. You have such a beautiful light and help so many, including me, that I felt a deep need to thank you Sir. Thank you for helping so many people. I wish you and your wife eternal happiness, knowing this world does give us all some troubles. So I pray that your troubles be few and blessings plentiful. This film obviously touched my heart deeply. Enjoy the upcoming week, for you have truly made this weekend better for many with your works. Too many words from me, so pardon typos. ~
Absolutely. The interview was done in a very sensitive and successful way. I enjoy your channel and gather a lot of insight here! Thank you!
Thanks once again, Mr. Hoffman. I was born in 1968, and have spent my adult years trying to learn about and understand the '60's & 70's.
If you lived in those times,the VIBE was so different than today,you would have to have been there to understand fully,thank god I lived and grew up during these times.And god bless her,and thank you.
The Weathermen confused violence with milantancy & eventually triggered the downfall of the more peaceful anger of the SDS protests. This woman is right to point out that the knowledge of DowChemical,s involvement as a major tipping point. Along with ROTC recruiting on the campuses.
Many of my older brethren always will say " the violent protests were inishiated by the police, & embellished by the media. This woman, years later, recognises that the right voices were being drowned out by the minority of a more revolutionary faction.
This I believe is a cautionary tale for activists today. She gives an interesting honest retrospective of her feelings , years apart.
Another outstanding interview , of the "Confusion for Peace"
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I often go through Dwight, IL on my way to Chicago and let people in any given gas station and fast food place that a Weather Underground terrorist is buried in Dwight. Her name is Diane Oughton, granddaughter of a founder of The Boys Scouts and featured in the unknown movie Katherine starring Sissy Spacek and Henry Winkler. The house behind Art Carney is in Dwight. Every person in Dwight I spoke with do not know about her although the last lady (gas station cashier) knows an Oughton and she mentioned that beautiful house.
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interesting stuff 👍
Activists are nothing more than terrorists or the kkk. All the same thing groups of people using violent threatening means to get what they want
This is amazing footage because it shows us that we haven’t learned a damn thing in 50 years and it’s about to repeat again. David is telling you very subtly to learn SOMETHING from this!
Wait what. That’s what you got from this. Jesus help people like you. Everything makes a difference and change. Might be quiet and subtle but definitely working!! Keep your negative comments to self.
Comparing riot cops to Transformers is interesting and somehow very apt.
I just happened to come across this video and it's today 😊 she is interesting to watch and learn. Thanks for sharing this video David Hoffman film maker. Much appreciated
Very interesting to hear about this woman's life as a protester. Going into the churches and her experience with the police. Thanks for showing this interview. She speaks very well and gives a good description.
Lots of people in the comments talking down about protesting. If more people protested the Vietnam War then maybe we would have left Vietnam sooner, imperialism is bad.
Not an effective means of persuasion. We also knew Marxism is bad.
True true
I would like to believe that, however I just listened to a VERY interesting interview RFK Jr gave and he talked about the CIA's involvement in the assassination of his uncle JFK and his father RFK. He said, JFK was going to pull our troops out of Vietnam and he was assassinated for it. His Father was also going to end the war and it was clear he was most likely going to win the presidency and he was assassinated for it as well. In his farewell speech 2 days before JFK took office, Eisenhower warned us about the power and corruption of the military industrial complex and how it is the enemy from within. If they are willing to assassinate our POTUS and a Senator that may have become POTUS over the Vietnam war I doubt people protesting the war, no matter how many, would have had any meaningful impact. And I say this with a heavy heart btw, 2 of my brother in laws were in Nam. It was a really fascinating interview, it's on UA-cam.
She very insightful about her life... I appreciate hearing her youth. I remember soldiers memories of war in military. I remember the civilians protesting. Confusing times indeed... everyone is entitled to their opinions and without hate or violence . Unfortunately, in the real world its not perfect. This interview was nice to listen too. Great one David👍
Greetings from florida 🐬 So glad You posted this vid 👍 Thank You ✨
*David Hoffman appreciate your videos (Vietnam time) Listening 🌟 from Mass USA TYVM 💙David*
Greetings Cheryl
How are you doing?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I recognize this. Lived through something similar myself. I wonder if she's still alive. Whats she's doing now.
Hope she's still with us,god bless her.
Recently, I just finished reading A Tale of Two Cities. One of the things the book taught me was that tyranny can arise from causes that started out with noble intentions. In the case of the French Revolution, the French citizenry had a legitimate desire to extinguish the power of the aristocracy, but like most social reform movements, they allowed the most bitter and radical among them to rise to the top. As a result, they ended up destroying their country. They executed anyone who even had the slightest connection to an aristocrat, including children. Many of the founders of the revolution ended up losing their ends. In the end, they just replaced one tyranny with another tyranny. This isn’t a left or right issue; it can happen to any movement. What happened on the sixth of January certainly evokes shadows of previous reigns of terror, but it can happen to any movement, left or right.
from what i understand france ultmately became a democracy after the revolution
'The road to hell is paved with good intentions.' One of the strongest proverbs ever. While I understand it, I can't explain it.
@@manp1039 The French Revolution led to the rise of Napoleon and the Napoleonic Wars. During the revolution, they were a democracy in name only. The country was still controlled by radical revolutionaries, most of whom had no respect for human rights. Some decisions were also made by mob rule, which is just another form of tyranny.
Mr. Hoffman, thank you for this insightful video. I was a 60's radical, protesting the war, worked as a volunteer in an experimental racial integration summer camp, had my run-ins with the fuzz and the hard hats, even ran for office on the Liberal Party line in NY. I still have my Moratorium button from old times. However, I was no bomb thrower. My friends and I never saw the Weathermen and their ilk as anything other than dangerous anarchists. Listening to this woman talk in 1989 is fascinating. She comes across to me as childish, showing no reflection on her attitudes and actions in those times, maintaining absolute moral certainty about herself. I also was certain about my convictions and my actions at the time. However, unlike this woman, as I matured and gained some perspective with time, I realized how naive and simplistic I had been. This video gives me insight into how the worst of the 60's has carried over to today's college campuses today. College students are still just as naive and certain that they have the moral high ground. Unfortunately, the "love" that we professed has now been replaced by a totalitarian hate.
What a long strange trip it's been.
4:27 there will always be a certain type of person that is driven by the fulfillment of externalizing certainty and conviction. The ideas behind the conviction don't much matter, I mean if you KNOW it's true, who cares why, right?
Just discovered your channel and I’ve got to say; I really appreciate the work you have done. There’s something special about the way these old perspectives can literally make me feel like I am there
Thanks!
Thank you so much Peter.
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Graduated from College in 1967 and was sent to Federal building for pro induction physical .Protesters outside the building with signs. I failed my physical do to a high albumin level. Well soon they wanted to send for another physical. Had a degree in the biological and chemical sciences. So the country was in short supply of science teachers. I signed with a school system and was deferred. If I went in I would have wound up in aviation since I already had a pilots license. It worked out that I could teach school and head to the airport to instruct and work as a charter pilot. So I had thousands of hours and plenty risk over time. So I did not go to med school but still enjoyed what I was doing. However no one was shooting at me. Those guys were taking maximum risks.
I’m so glad everything worked out for you, Mr. Hay. I have so much respect for you also! You, sir, were prepared to get sent to fight. I think it shows that you are courageous and honorable! I hope you have a fantastic day! Thank you and God bless ♥️🙏🏻🇺🇸
Who is this woman? What is her name?
wow! This was interesting to hear! Thanks for posting this!
One of the best ones David-so articulate.
As with all of David's posts, this interview is a national treasure, A chance for actors in history to reflect on their actions and observations ex post. I find all of your work in the great tradition of great journalists and historians I have long admired--to document rather than interject yourself into the story line.
I cannot however say the same for the comments below so many of which complete miss her point on what perspective taught her. So many wish to praise her or condemn her on such abstract grounds and wholly without the context of her very specific actions. How to do that without being by her side and in her ahead as she did what she did? I simply cannot, but can only listen and hear between the lines.
The fabric of society was clear torn and ripped apart during those years. And we picked up some of the pieces, others remain lost or elusive. We still need time to heal. Let us hope the country does not force itself down a path in which a similar look in the mirror results in the same type violence as in those years. We are still recovering and would not handle it well.
I have been thrown out of the church! I am living it! Not unhappy about this circumstance!🌝🙋🏽♀️🌌💜💯🕊
Thank you David for sharing this, a part of a poem i wish to share : Vietnam's Broken Soul's / Was God there and could he see
Things suffered both by you and me
If so how could He possibly be
A God of Love ~ For answers you
Plea...
You are a gift David, thank you for all you do and share with us. Namaste
Blessing's Sent David 🕉️☮️
Stupid is as stupid does. Believing that all right is on your side is infinitely wrong.
Common sense labeled as criminal, go figure.
This lady is pretty on the inside and it shows on the outside!!!🌝🙋🏽♀️🌌💜💯🕊
Thank you for doing this video, and for sharing it.
Excellent statement. That being said, I do condemn abusers, of any kind, but specially power abusers. Sorry, not sorry
Where could I see this full “Making sense of The sixties” documentary. I find it absolutely fascinating
Unfortunately, I have never posted the entire series except as a gift for members and patrons.
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I simply love that woman.
I remember the previous video with her, where she tells about 'being in a cult'. It's fascinating!
True Christian way that the woman eventually comes to is so powerful that my first instinct would be to embrace her tightly if she'd be nearby.
Thank you so very much for sharing this video, Mr. Hoffmann))
NOT VERY INTENSE. . . We are merely surprised by her clarity and frankness, and perhaps her willing level of transgressive-ness in these frightened times. It doesn't talk about her work with the Weathermen, or what actions actually made her a criminal and the subject of this story. Perhaps add some context with a profile of the Weathermen's crimes/ achievements. Otherwise it appears an isolated and meaningless interview for those not familiar with 1960s Activism. 'Criminal'. is speaking ln lazy Generalities for publicity..
Fast-forward to today and being pro-peace will get you shouted down and shunned.
and that is different from what she described?
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Negative vs positive peace. Something has to change and not wanting to be uncomfortable won't get that done.
Hello greetings
How is the weather over there?
Thank God for others with moral bravery such as myself! Thank you & God Bless, David! Your Seattle friend. It is not yet too late to ask Jesus into your hearts 🙏🏽❤️
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere
Martin Luther
Looks like humanity is awakening as a collective group of people now. Together
Most people get wiser with age and life experience.
Except Brandon.
It is truly sad how many young people of our generation turned out making bad decisions in the name of good intentions. Not only for ourselves but for our children who were raised, in many cases, by parents who were by morality and responsibility less than the greatest generation. As always David, thanks for sharing an insightful film.
A dr at the va told me, "Smart people get ptsd. Stupid people don't think about what they've done." Idk if thats true, but you are certainly more sensitive.
David, have you every done a video or series of videos on how you consruct interviews and select subjects etc to create these amazing, insightful films? I have been inspired by yourself and others to change my filmmaking style somewhat to be able to catch some of these stories before they are lost to time and I and many others would greatly value the sharing of your wisdom of this skill!
If you search the words "class" on my UA-cam channel I have posted seven videos on how I make documentaries which might be of help to you. I have done several clips on interviewing. And those who want to personally seek advice become patrons at patreon.com/allinaday a $25 or more a month and asked me questions which I answer in lengthy audio messages. Thank you for your query.
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David is she out there? I would love to hear her perspective of what is happening today. As a young person of this time period,with the same same philosophies, as this quite difficult time .... if you cared about the issue, but looks like child’s play, with what is happening in the USA today.
David Icke shares her views on attrocities carried out against a humble population
It's not easy for these angels to put themselves on the spotlight and face the waves of hate/praise. It's a heavy. She has lifted a lot of pain on pur behalf. She has transmuted her pain and excpereiences. She has found the words to describe reality. We must find the same.
Very powerful talk.,great listening
I am curious... how many people like her were in the USSR during their very brutal invasion and occupation of Afghanistan * and if there were any radical or even peaceful resistor against the Kremlin regarding the Afghan War? Same goes for Communist China and their treatment of Uigars, Tibetans, and Hong Cong people? Basically, in the U.S. it is comfortable for this American making this movie. Also, how many Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Loatians left to live in the U.S. when the Communists won as apposed to Afghans fleeing to Russia? LOL!!!!
* (and Central Europe too b/c Hungary in 1956 was a bloodbath)....
That's an eye-opening opinion Indeed.. such voices must have been there. Certainly!
And there wasn't anyone tp record an interview. The thought itself is hurtful. This is what we are up against as a collective. This os the ugly side we have to face till it gets better for all of us.
Often, the ones who fought for a nations peace are not only the freedom fighters, but regular people who took a stand an held their ground... How many were there.. my goodness. I can't imagine.. surely there were more than our textbooks mentioned
A very brave and educated woman. A superpower must not instigate war in any nation. Causing a war in another country will divide the people at home. You will never be a superpower if you instigate civil unrest at home. Anti war is not a crime.
Yes you're right
Hello Julian , How are you doing?
@@johnroland7081 How are John. I am leeping well. Thank you for an honest answer. We cannot let people in Government or any Institution do the thinking for us. Many of us have seen what happens when who is in power instigates a civil unrest agenda.
You're welcome
Where do you live in the united state?
I would love to see someone like this do a video commentary on the movie the killing fields. See what she made with it ending
All I know is after the summer RFK was killed I pretty much gave up on elements of both societies, to much violence,hate, killing......it became useless to want to be part of it. I retired and just lived my own life to the best of my abilities.... screw the rest of them. That's my boomer story and I'm sticking with it. 🌍✌️🙏🇺🇲🌎
Another great video!
The 1960's and 1970's were turbulent years because of Vietnam policy. The government was lying to Americans about the war and why it was necessary, which was all a lie. The frustration of not being able to do anything about it is understandable, but I have to say, that although understandable, it was crazy to just arbitrarily decide that to protest the war by committing acts of violence in the form of bank robberies and bombings, and which was a mistake. Trying to change policy by committing violence wasn't the answer. I'm sure they would have been more effective instead of violence, finding more creative ways to convince law makers. However, no matter what, it wouldn't be easy. Committing violence didn't help their cause, unfortunately, and just made matters worse.
This is specific to the experience of those in imperialist countries. The settlers and colonizers. Revolutionaries of colonized nations went about changing society differently. She's talking about love vs violence here but in colonized nations their violence is combined with their love. Love for their own people and hate for those that would hurt their people. White radicals hate their people because they feel that they're the ones hurting those other people. There is no force to rally against except themselves.
The Weather Men didn't work because, in my eyes, the people in it didn't have a clear understanding of themselves and their place in the world
I'd love to time travel and visit the 60's.
If you enjoy this, I recommend the documentaires FTA (1972) & Sir! No Sir! (2005)
She speaks from a space of love for the collective
They were absolutely delusional
Meh. Referring to the war as genocide is grossly wrong and diminishes the term. No fan of the war here, but we must remain accurate and objective to truly evaluate history.
Good on those Unitarians!
Hello Helen
How is the weather over there?
@@johnroland7081 hi! its perfect autumn weather here atm,23C days,13C nights and the sunshine is wonderful after an unusually rainy,humid summer with terrible record breaking floods.
@@helengrunow5094 Oh I see .. Hope you are okay with the weather over there
@@helengrunow5094 Here is partly cloudy
Don’t know what the last part meant, I stand in judgement of no one. You should judge others. Nothing wrong with that.
“Judge not, lest ye be judged,” a wise person once said.
@@Greg-om2hb Well everyone judges me so I’m not about to be non judgemental.
@@aussie8114 I think being non-judgmental is a good thing. But I think taking it too far is just foolishness.
@@jiveturkey9993 I would agree.
It’s hard to dissect but I think you said it well. We shouldn’t judge people we don’t know, but instead try to understand them better. But at the same time, we must keep our principles and judge based on right and wrong….. I think 😅
Cathy Wilkerson? I recall that she was a fugitive for some time.
That is not her name.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Unless she has a doppelganger this is certainly Cathy Wilkerson.
She should run for office
Reality seems real in the present moment, but learning to be a critical thinker, explore other perspectives rather than holding fast to an ideal can save a lot of grief from acting impulsively.
We say that you can't put an old head on young shoulders, but you can if you teach them young enough. My daughter is 19 and has been taught to question her own perspectives from very young and today makes decisions I would say are far in advance of my 19 year old self 41 years ago.
But why did you think that you could actually do something that would change the war in Vietnam ?
While her intentions seem pure, if you replace one political ideology for another, you end up getting the exact same result. Case in point: every single revolution/reactionary movement in history. The solution is to FIRST take a hard look in the mirror, and know yourself. That is where everything starts. The outside world is a reflection of your own personal struggles, in aggregate.
GUATEMALA!!!!😐🤔🤨🤷🏾♀️🌌💜💯🕊
Quote. Make it stop. Really. How naive some people are. Protesting will at best draw attention to a cause. Enabling lawmakers to think about actions. That’s the best hopeful outcome.
Free your mind
Who is this woman?
John. I don't release anyone's name without their permission and she has not given me that.
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Thanks for the reply.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Well in that case ,you should not have given her this video platform 🙄
Peace!
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So you think that walking into a church and being obnoxious threatening accosting and disrespectful will win you support for your actions . Did you try ever talking and being polite and not being selfish with other peoples time and space ? How arrogant of you to think and act like protesting in the middle of someone else’s house and impeding on other peoples time is somehow you being a victim
It has been so many years....the arrogant pretentious still shines through.
Well I don’t regret Vietnam War because we brought a lot of Vietnamese over here one of which was my brother in law and a lot of my pharmacists were brought here by American soldiers so I don’t care . I love my coworkers and my brother in law and he lost everything where north Vietnamese took over his family home and they were forced to flee their land or be killed
I think she's still wrong. She drifted from stereotyping to moral relativism.
Wait to the very end.
Please tell me she's not a Trump supporter today. Please.
her mannerisms and expressions remind me of my grandma. neat
Southern Baptist, bet it was southern Baptist
It's not thou "shall not kill", the original Hebrew is thou shall not murder. As killing is necessary in certain instances .. these people really need to do their research before ..
She's a outstanding story teller thou
Great point, the original transcripts say murder "as in homicide." There are lots of " drive by biblical scholars" who never cracked the book open, but hang onto snippets heard here and there.
@@matthewjoseph9897 .. yeah they can, it called due diligence.. but I can't be a hypocrite I once was a just a screenshot scripture person.
“Screenshot scripture person” lol that was pretty funny. But I think the other commenter has a point, it was always taught “shalt not kill” in every church I ever went to. I was today years old when I learned it specifically refers to murder. So thank you for that.
This Woman it's called the World honey.
i resent your use of the word criminal here.
0:39 or wrong for a different reason
Four pillars of social accountability:
1) Organised and capable citizen groups
2)an enabling environment with govt champions who are willing to engage
3) cultural appropriateness
4) access to information
The self-righteousness of these people is nauseating.
The self-righteousness of you right wing fascists is what's sickening.
Yea, I know. Democrats are just horrible, I was going to say people, but they aren't even that.
And then the turn to the complete opposite at then end when she says she doesn’t judge anyone or anything. She has no moral or ethical code. From one radical extreme to the other. And, these are the people in charge of education, hollywood, msm, and a lot of politics in the all of the west today. Any wonder everything is so polarized?
Why are 3 responses missing?
Do you see mine? I show 4, but only see mine and your reply Gianni
chuech loves war. our government comes from church. where do you live, church is not?
I really enjoyed the video. I think she was easily manipulated but, she was young. But, again, I absolutely love the clip, I do not like her ideology. My father was drafted, he was in the war, He did his civil duty. HE is a hero, in my eyes. While he was in an actual war, doing his duty as a man, it’s disturbing to see someone with freedom to do anything she wanted, she is nothing but a coward. WOW! She went through so much…. Nah. She chose to go disrupt and fight, my daddy didn’t. She doesn’t have remorse, in my opinion.
Have a great weekend. God bless.🙏🏻♥️
Did you really just call her a coward? Did you even listen to her experiences? And to see the channel owner liked the comment… wow, David Hoffman I thought you were a decent person. Guess not.
@@magesalmanac6424, yes, I listened to the whole video. I’m guessing you think she did anything good? I think she was a naive young lady that was manipulated to cause destruction. Again, she CHOSE to do things that caused fellow Americans to suffer. Soldiers (some volunteered/others drafted) had no choice. Do you think they were having a big party over there? Do you have anyone close (family) that are in the military? Do you know how they were treated when they finally came home? Or IF they made it back?! There certainly weren’t any parades or celebrations, people would spit on them and call them the most disgusting things.
And the nerve of questioning Mr. Hoffman’s decency, because he “liked” my post, as I’m quite sure he does to all posts. WOW! Normal people can disagree with someone and respect the others views. Do you have that ability? Anyway, to answer your original question, YES, I absolutely did state that I feel she was a coward. I hope you have a pleasant night. Bless your little heart.🙏🏻♥️😁
How awful
We forget that propaganda was as prolific in the past. The anti-Vietnam protests in the US were instrumental to the Viet Cong's guerrilla movement in South Vietnam. It was used to prove that the US didn't actually want Vietnam to have its own democracy, it actually wanted to turn Vietnam into another America. So, everything this woman did and said actually worsened everything by magnitudes. She became the communist prop that led to more and more extremist tactics between Vietnamese, as more and more people became convinced that supporting the communist path was Vietnam's only hope for itself. This is exactly what Yuri Bezmenov described in his famous interview, which when one realizes the communist movement in Vietnam was the product of Russian interventionism after WW2 to keep the US from establishing military power in South Asia after Japan's slave trade was ended. In a lot of ways, yes, it was a bad idea for Americans to take up the fight for South Vietnam. But knowing the oft-unmentioned details, it's hard to believe that a lot of the worst of that war was specifically the result of people like this woman and Jane Fonda. These people became the posterchildren for a new threat of western expansionism, which only incentivized VC to fight with more brutality. I wonder if she ever thinks of the 1+ million Vietnamese that narrowly avoided mass slaughter because of the Saipan evacuations. She should. She played a huge role in the war ending with the Viet Cong literally killing and destroying everyone and everything that was affiliated with democracy.
Underrated comment.
Thinking that it’s the churchs fault makes them seem like idiots though. All feeling, no thoughts
Pro war politics made its way through the moral majority via churches in that era and is still prominent today . The church already had its propaganda against rock and pop music going on well into the mid 60's so why is that idiotic?
A lot of her arguments were bad. That's why she stopped judging people, as far as she says.
@@Briansmusic- Idk, I think they are just repeating rhetoric from their party. More of politics leaking into church as opposed to churches being political propaganda machines.
I also think it’s kind of a fallacy to look at it as immoral too. Church goers could easily rationalize Communism as categorically evil making the war a moral one in their eyes. I mean we’re the crusades not a thing? Certain wars are still considered moral.
I think it’s equally ridiculous that churches have an expectation of preventing war especially considering the past
So the churches have no obligation to condemn murder?
Given the Catholic church's stance on pedophile priests I guess that's logical.
@@Briansmusic- Also, it’s idiotic because the government going to war not the church. How is it not idiotic? Would you protest the church because Apple uses slave labor to make products? It makes no sense. You protest Apple for what Apple does. The churches didn’t agree to invade. The US government did
Fucking beautiful.
She's so proud of herself .
And you're proud of yourself imperialist Nazi
Your country that you probably support have killed hundreds of thousands in Vietnam and all of those people since 500,000 innocent people in Iraq
and you still think you did the right thing
You're just proving a racist and you support Nazis in Ukraine today I'm sure
And your child that takes no responsibility for the deaths that we create around the world and make up convenient excuses for it
No she was not proud of herself she's looking back on the indiscretions of Youth she grimaced when she said the nonviolent group
She has learned her mistakes and admitted them and she will change you on the other hand are worse and you have not admitted your mistakes
When you see your loved one in your own home being tortured and killed by our own government then you will understand
Would you stop your individuality trip your egotistical trip of greed by being a capitalist you will understand you are connected to a world you are not so independent that you evolve as a species you evolve in community and you will feel like it one child is hurt that you are hurt that if one goes hungry that you go hungry if one does not have a home that you do not have a home and if one is a press that you are oppressed and then and only then you might think of rising up
Who is she? She should write a book?
I don't release the names of the people that I interviewed in 1989 without their permission and unfortunately, I don't have hers.
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