“Tne biggest insult to the memory of the Holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to commit genocide against the Palestinian people.” Norman Finkelstein.
- Come to Asbury Park. The Kingdom of Israel is here. All Orthodox synagogues and related Jewish organizations in USA (God's Country) are under the control of the Union of Orthodox Synagogues - Beit Din of America. A Dovid mishkan is here. The authentic Ahron Habrit is here. The authentic Menorah is here. I am here.
Every victimizer feels like a victim on the inside. That's how they justify their violations. And you hear it also from Israel over and over again. "Our revenge is just" "We are victims of October 7th"
On the 7th, there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 769 names on the Haaretz dataset, 462 were military personnel, including 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. Out of the 1148 total names, 403 were military personnel, 59 belonged to the police, and 668 were civilians. This means that the collateral damage on the 7th was lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 6:1. The ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1.6:1, with 462 military personnel out of 1148 total. When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is 162:1 and not "just" 6:1 based on analyzing UN OHC data from 2008 to 2022. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.6:1, a hundred times lower. The reported (not all have their ages listed) ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel There is a more detailed report made 2 months ago when it was reported to had been 1460 and not just 1148 titled: "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%"
This is a golden testimony that should work so well in the International Court of Justice, first hearing this month. Do you know whom to contact to deliver such valuable information?
Every Israeli 18 years of age or older is either IN the IDF or SERVED in the IDF and are now in the "reserves" . Only those 17 and less were "civilians". So according to YOU 24 civilians were killed by HAMAS on Oct. 7th. No 'rapes" no babies "beheaded" just IDF LIES!
I have heard the name Tamar so many times, keeping the Livestream running so smoothly and professionally, so it's nice to see her on screen taking on hosting duties.
Stunning, brave, substantial dives like this one are exemplary, of what we need most of all. To help end this hellish nightmare. Thank you both, all. So very much!
This show is pathetic : these two are painfully trying to mimic ( cargo-culting ? ) jewish pseudo -intellectualism : they are just parroting the buzz-words and concepts coming down from the jewish academic elite, and it's just sad farce ....
It's not about Palestinians - it's about Israeli's loss of national identity; by 'mowing the lawn' for a generation, their collective story vaporizes. That's what we saw with the carpet bombing on Oct 8th - a break from their civilizational myth to an embrace of barbarism.
@@jvb9553 Shakespeare I think could imagine it happening to hundreds or even tens of thousands of people - because of mental illness - broadly defined in their times as evil - in members of the ruling class. He maybe could not easily imagine it scaling up to killing hundreds of thousands, or millions... What would he say now, and write, - about Biden, Blinken, Boris Johnson, Sullivan, Nuland, KJP , Kirby ? see A Family Business of Perpetual War
Affirmative, good insight,. It's a lie built on lies and that's catching up with them...millions of Germans are re-evaluating the whole ww2 narrative...it's obvious
I think all planned out since Balfour 1917 - Himmler orchestrated the Holo then betrayed hitler all seems convenient. General Patton had some interesting thoughts that we were all tricked@@jvb9553
This is a fabulously deep discussion on this issue: much needed for outsiders like myself to understand your latitude of experience / thoughts/ history. Thank you both of you.
Unbearably wonderful truths. An analysis and deep understanding. How brilliantly your service to humanity shines in our minds and now our hearts. Your life's work is knowledge as imperative for our species. In many ways. Leastly perhaps, if even of gigantic importance to changing the simplistic usual binaries of our mainstream narrative mess. My gosh! To fund this work is to create loving, peaceful intelligence! Hugs to all of you helping to carry, hold, witness. May peace come somehow, kindly. With humility and decency.
Now the world finally starts to see and hear Palestinians and their supporters it’s easier to understand the amount of money that has changed hands in the effort to dehumanise and disappear them. The most educated population in the world having felt a 75+ year crime spree committed by the Western hegemonic powers have things to say that they’re desperate we don’t hear.
What a brilliant introspective mathematical and psychological analysis by Abdaljawad mashaAllah what a mind ..... truly every word was calibrated and gave a wholistic view. Am in awe thank you Abdaljawad and really appreciated this by EI
After hearing Gabor Mate talking about the trauma aspect of it, I came up with this: a family two parents, two kids. Abusive parent (NAZIS) abuses the kids (Jews) and the other parent (non nazi Germans) knows (partakes) but doesn’t help the kids. One kid deals with the trauma and seeks justice and to help that stuff like that doesn’t happen to others. The other kid says: “I’m never again the weak one.” and starts abusing others. The second parent knowing what happened and feeling guilty lets the violent kid do what he wants and defends it even against the the sibling. (If you wanna go on: the role of all other parties UK, US, … can fit in too) // In the end we have Jews like Gabor Mate, Norman Finkelstein, Marek Edelmann, Ilan Pappe and on the other side Bibi Netanjahu and Co. And the Germans that can’t deal with stuff. All trauma.
Yes, this is something I have been thinking about a lot over the last 2 months. I think another equally important aspect is the social construct of racial hierarchy at play. Which ought to be plugged into the analogy you summarized here. ... The social construct of "race" is constructed with all that is deemed "White" as human juxtaposed with all that is deemed "Black" as nonhuman/ slave a priori ab initio. Positioning all those between the two constructs struggling for proximity to Whiteness and distance from Blackness. ... This is why analyses that fail to consider the White supremacist ideological aspects of Zionist projects are insufficient. ... ✊🏾 solidarity against colonialism and all White supremacist ideology based power structures from Mni Sota Makoce (Minneapolis, Minnesota USA).
German government not the people has lost what’s left of forgiveness I had lest in me They never appogizedto the gipsys killed and all the minorities they can see So I have one word to Germany I will never drive your ars or anything that says Germany on it
@@fun_ghoul No. As a German and patriot, I am of course fully behind the reunification of Germany. As an East German, I have a different view of international politics. For me, for example, personalities like Yasser Arafat or Nelson Mandela are great freedom fighters and idols. And not terrorists. Guys like Kissinger, Sharon, Genocide Joe or Netanyahu do. We learned that at school. Unfortunately, West Germans are often misinformed by US and Nazi propaganda from Tel Aviv. Or just ignorant and stupid.
@@danielgoers9469 To clarify, I meant "reunification" as it actually happened: Capitalist, US-occupied FRG absorbing GDR. By your reply, tho, I assume your politics are better than that (EDIT: i.e. better than supporting FRG/USA hostile takeover)... ✊
@@fun_ghoul My friend, that's called democracy. It's not always the smarter person who wins, but always those who are in the majority. It is, what it is.
Discussion around 1:08:00 is important; what historical precedent is there for a European imperial colony to just occupy _some_ of a contiguous piece of land, and then stop? Nah. They will keep going until they are definitively STOPPED, either by a coast or...other means. 💀
This was so brilliant, I’ve shared it to at least 10 people in my community. Centering and amplifying Palestini@n voices and stories is key in helping maintain a living, growing history of Palestini@ns as the occupation seeks to destroy. “They tried to bury Us, they didn’t know We were seeds”
I see you. Inmidst of Europe I see you in Gaza, in thr Westbank, hear hundreds of your voices, feel your suffering, I wake up wishing it was only a nightmare, walk through the day heartbroken, and go to sleep with a prayer for you. And I hope there are many of us.
It’s so difficult to go through this most heartbreaking with tears flowing listening to Jawad’s analysis.It’s raw and true feeling of a Palestinian.I would recommend this interview be viewed by all.Above all it’s also very informative.❤❤️👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Excellent interview 👏. Free Palestine. I learned about Gaza thru Abby Martin and her movie...a few years ago....back then...Iwas so shocked about the abuse the people who stole the land inflicted on the Palestinian people....but the genocide unfortunately happening now....it's just outrageous... I hope there will be justice for the Palestinian people... My heart is broken over all the lifes lost.... This interview is gold.....never looked at it from this point of view.. Much love to my Palestinian brothers and sisters ❤️. Israel the thieves shame on you... Genocide us government shame on you..Germany shame on you..... Much love to Yemen soldiers for helping with actions in the liberation of Palestine 🇵🇸
Could the collective German debt memory delight in saying. See, we aren't the only monsters!" I have been framing this in the guilt and shame of those who refused Jews to emigrate, who condoned the "final solution", or said "We didn't know" as the reason for the euro-american complicity. But this idea of delight is a powerful turn.
I also think that Germans are secretly laughing saying to them self, now world have seen that they are worse than we are. And they are backing them because they are scared they will turn back in Germany after Israhell being dismantled.😁 What we also have learned is that Germans, British and Zionist worked together creating project Israhell, Oil was discovered in the middle East,so they need a proxy to control Arab countries oil. Palestine was occupied by British, they brought all the refugees to Palestina and the same year Israhell was recognized they start to expelling and killing Palestinian people. If you are real refugees surviver of camp, you don't do the same to those who took you in their house.
Brilliant discussion. Thank you. I wish I could forward it to all my contacts, but I am very lonely in my hunger to hear and see more about the history behind the act. Unfortunately it seems to be a widely spread pleasure of human beings to act inhumanely as soon as they are part of a collective.
This will be the second time I watch all the way through. This is the analysis we must now understand! An imperative deep comprehensive informative deconstruction of this trend of fascist particularity. Gigantic work. An introduction to comprehending how we got to this nightmare. Gratitude!!! Sad horror. Fascinating information!
thank you, i live next to anne frank house in amsterdam, every day I pass, walking the dog. We watch, and every day I think, what would Anne think of these times of genocide, war.... Anne would stand up for the palestinians. never again means never again. when you read her diaries.. margot wanted to nurse new born babies in palestine.
Very glad to hear a psychoanalysis THROUGH analysis of material conditions and productive forces. A society's social fabric (interactions and relations) are a direct product of how they acquire or produce their life sustaining materials, in this case, very clearly through theft.
This is such an interesting conversation, on thoughts that have crossed my mind that you've explored in an in-depth and academic way. I really appreciate this type of introspective conversation. Thank you!
This analysis is so profound and saddening. Especially at around 25:40 I jumped and recognized what I see in our politicians... I live in Germany and my taxes finance this madness as well as the Media appartus that never informed me about the Situation in Palestine 😢. Since I came here 14 years ago I was shocked at the implicit prohibition to talk about the wars critically; this is really decades in the making: people are kept comfortable and busy enough that they dont really think much and dont care about what happens around them. And whenever some movement is created to critisize the government, even if it is about covid or agrarian politics, they are labelled as nazis and silenced. It works so well that is macaberly brilliant!😣
Please make a distinction between the people and their governments. Many Europeans are appalled and very actively protesting and pressuring their governments in whatever way they can to stop this genocide.
(aprox min 58) She nails it when describing that one of the traits of ethnic cleansing is to eliminate that groups "intelligentsia", thus depriving them of guidance and intellectual wealth. I recently saw a documentary on Bangla Desh, where Pakistan when saw the course was irreversible, tried also to deprive the future state of its most valuable assets. Or the Katyn massacre of Polish; Ruanda where huties targeted all tutsies, but specially the "upper classes" ... ...
Yes! Very much. From the very early beginning of this onslaught we've seen the most affluent neighbourhoods of Gaza (such as Al-Rimal) completely destroyed, infrastructure, houses, high-rises, schools, hospitals and all. IOF statements seem 100x times more gaslighting for anyone with the slightest knowledge of Gaza's urban geography.
What an interesting talk. So much to think about. The orgiastic nature of the violence is so shocking and unusual to see. Tamara's closing point about the need for joy to be shown by zionists is something else to ponder on. That too is striking. 🇵🇸 ❤
I think you're overthinking this, Mr. Omar. Anyone who is going along with what they are being told to think, it's simply due to unconsciousness. They get the 'vibe' from their society, whose guiderails are set by the government, that it is not acceptable to even CONSIDER a different way to see this conflict. So many people do not consider an alternative. i call it 'willful ignorance.' Think of it as the psychology of the 'highway,' where a citizen is often told to 'stay in their lane.' And likewise, with the effective use of social engineering, now also members of society are telling each other the same. So you have a fear of going outside of your lane, because the possibility is that you might be 'excommunicated' from your society. I don't think it primarily has to do with anything you're saying. Secondarily, yes, absolutely, the collective guilt and reinforcement of such playing a role in this stubborn blindness. My experience with such people is that they have NO IDEA what is actually happening in Gaza right now; they are simply not coming from an informed perspective. However, Germany also voted for the UN Resolution recently for a ceasefire, so they are seeing and acknowledging also some portion of what is going on. I highly highly recommend you read the uncensored version of Solzhenitsyn's final book. It is very difficult to find a good translation that is complete. I can send you a pdf via the contact portal at e.i.'s website if you so desire. It adds a certain depth of perspective to 'The Jewish Question' that is normally unacknowledged these days and adds one more piece to the puzzle of how we got here. A.S. details with extensive primary referencing to source material that the Jewish people that the Russians experienced did NOT enjoy farming the land; in fact they resisted it greatly despite being given land more than once. That’s a myth. They much prefer watching someone ELSE farm their land for them, or to live in the city and have a career that does not involve agriculture. Perhaps the promise of having their own state induced in some Jews a change of heart, but when 50% of the Jews lived in Russia, this was not at all the case. Also please read One Nation Under Blackmail. You fail to understand that many American politicians are compromised, thanks to effective blackmail campaigns by Epstein, Maxwell, and the Mossad. the ones who are not living in fear have been compromised with generous contributions from AIPAC. You can see a list of which U.S. representatives they openly support on their website. Another possibility worth mentioning is the ancient collective ritual of scapegoating. As you mentioned, Netanyahu has told the Israelis that the Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust. Take a mentally-ill nation scarred by lifetimes of incessant war and conflict and implant in them that the divine enemy responsible for unimaginable atrocity is their neighbor and they will rush to annihilate that enemy in the expectation that the suffering of their lives can then be assauged. Perhaps you can’t say it, living in the West Bank, but I can say it because I have had many many interactions with Israelis in India, when they are just finished with mandatory military service. Israel is a nation of mentally ill people. There is even a psychiatrist to comes from Israel regularly to fetch the ones that ‘crack’ in Goa. They have an agreement with the Indian government to do this. And to my mind, the reason they boast to each other about their exploits and killings has to do with 'normalizing' what they know is aberrant behavior by seeking and receiving approval from their peers. 'Stanford Prison Experiment'. not an exact match, but speaks to the 'hive-mind.' And of course, what Gideon Levy says about 'the necessity of dehumanization' for any colonial or apartheid regime to persist. Your discussion helped me to see how Humanity is still learning that collective punishment, collective debt, collective anything is never appropriate or just. Not every German bears the same burden for the crimes of World War II, nor should they. Not every Israeli is equally guilty for what is happening in Gaza. Neither is every Palestinian deserving of punishment for October 7th. ALL of it is racism; all of it is grouping individuals together as if they are not singularly, humans with agency. Individual responsibility MUST return front and center if Justice is ever to be restored to Human Society, and this means the death of the Corporation--with its manner of shielding individuals for wrongdoing--and the end of the subservience of Juries and Judges to all other branches of government. As long as anyone is able to openly harm others without penalty, our civilisation will continue to crumble.
These are great remarks and recommendations. Thank you! Can I ask specifically about the Israelis in India and this psychaitrist you've mentioned. What's the story behind that?
Hello thank you for putting this out directly . I was a teacher for several years and two separate black parents/ families ask that I would hit their child with a belt if their child misbehaved. I didn't feel comfortable with this at all but I feel like there's a parallel to this end the current crisis.
1:45:55 Hating Palestinians has become the new antisemitism*: Totally acceptable in European/Euro-colonial "polite society"! *Yes, I know hatred of Palestinians is by definition antisemitism. Big up Laith Marouf! 👍
33:38 To restate Tamara's thought, as I understand it: The Nazis were not actually defeated (EDIT: which is true). I might quibble slightly with Tamara, inasmuch as the Zists clearly _have_ learned the lessons of history...European history. They just needed to find a target population that Europe could (be convinced to) hate enough that they'd deign to foist "The Jewish Question" onto them, thereby making Europe and (other) Euro-Colonies _Judenfrei..._
For a long time fascism was extremely marginalized in Germany. I honestly think the fascism that's seeping back in over the last decades has a lot more to do with the failures of the liberal democracy, economic problems, and the constant propaganda that comes with a global western media apparatus that is entirely controlled by the ultra wealthy. Many of today's alt right here in Germany clearly are inspired by American ultra conservative movements, not the Nazis.
@@seeibe Your comment betrays a high level of brainwashing. First off, Germany is literally the home of Nazism. Second, besides the few tokens who were Nuremberg'd 💀, Nazis by and large escaped consequence for their crimes. Third, even by the mid-fifties, "West Germans" were pissed off that they were being blamed for the Holocaust WHICH THEY CARRIED OUT. Also, young man, you lack an appreciation of the echoes of white supremacism which bounce back and forth between Europe and "the colonies". Like, "American ultra conservative movements" are literally the Richard Spencers doing the Berlin Swing, speaking well of the Austrian painter...and supporting the world's only remaining white ethno-state: The Zionist State. And honestly, you're trying to differentiate based on where you perceive the influence is from, but...what is this influence? And in what way(s) do these differ from old-time Nazis? I think you're doing the usual German liberal thing, basically taking offence of behalf of other Germans at the suggestion that they're Nazis. No. F that. They're Nazis. Point final.
But is not Judenfrei. The Juden have taken control of the US through its lobbyist which the US holds Europe; Germany particularly tight because of WW2. It is almost a century past and every year the Germans would conduct a national “public apology” for WW2. That’s guilt ridden.
Not that the Balfour Declaration holds any legitimacy in most people's eyes, however Lord Balfour sought to put only ONE condition into that statement and to me, the fact that a condition was added to this 'letter of permission', this makes it a contract - We will agree do A. only as long as you agree do B. - The epitome of a contract. That condition was written as such, and I quote: ..."it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,..." This of course meant that the Jewish people were going to get every assistance from the UK Government to establish their "homeland" in this region, but only on the one strict condition that nothing made life any worse for anyone already living there. That no-one there already became worse-off as a result. Balfour only put one condition in there, which tells me that he thought this of the greatest importance, enough to put it in there at all, so it was a very rigid condition in his mind worthy of specific mention where nothing else seemed to matter to him, and he expected it to be honored when he offered the bargain to the Zionists. And of course the Zionists have done nothing since but break this rule and make life a living hell for the Indigenous people of Palestine to the point now they want to do this 'final push' and get rid of them entirely, which has always been the case but now they are just showing their true face publicly and it looks like they feel 'it's now or never' and they think this is their historical time to triumph. (Sorry Israel, not happening.) While I know that the Balfour Declaration should never have been written and used (because the land was never really England's to give to someone else) I still think a breach of contract occurred (just my view and I'm entitled to it) and on this basis alone 'Israel' has forfeited any right to be there on this basis alone that it broke the only one single rule it had to follow in order to secure permission to proceed, and owes it's entire existence to this letter with that one condition included in it, therefore it should be dismantled completely for failing to uphold its end of the bargain and immediately handed back to the Indigenous Inhabitants and those who were expelled during this failed project and want to return home.
Of everything I have read and studied the past three months, This has been one of the best analysis. We will definitely use this in the Palestine history classes and zionist sociology classes we teach. At the Midwestern Marx Institute.
It is not a coincidence that a week after Holocaust Memorial Day, in Israel, Memorial Day is celebrated for the martyrs of the IDF and the day after that, Independence Day... It is all related in the psychology of Israelis - "we were a victim, now we fight"... Note also that Israeli high school students usually take a trip to Poland with a tour of Auschwitz shortly before they enlist to the army.
Of course without some sociological poll to prove his thesis, this remains speculation. But it's a very plausible interpretation of the behavior of European governments, corporate media and some of the populace. But as he notes, there are many anti-Zionist individuals in Europe who are being suppressed. There is a similar dynamic in the US though I think for a different set of reasons.
We don’t need a poll to prove what Aboud is saying , he has the lived testimony/ experience of millions of Palestinians . And the admittance of the zionists…..What he says is very deeply analytical and true…., it proves it, that’s why these western secular states are spineless, hypocritical entities following their own dark political theories .
Fantastic, eye opening. Listened to the podcast twice. Now I understand what a reasoned response is when my Jewish friend claims that no other crime against humanity, including what is happening to the Palestinians now., can be called a genocide because it doesn't look like Germany 1945.
Interesting thoughts on absolving a collective moral guilt/debt that can not realistically be expected to be burdened forever without any relief in sight
I'm born and raised in effing germany in 1980, but my family is from turkey, so i've some ties there. And it's a grotesque joke, when germans are talking about "never again"... in 6th grade (age of around 12), i was raging because our teacher had refused to teach us anything about israel. I knew, that right-wingers were ruling there, but i didn't understand, why? I almost begged my so-called history teacher, to teach us something about, anything, but no, all we got to learn was hitler and holocaust, that was the whole "history class"... from 7th grade, I was excluded from the history classes completely, because I loudly refused to learn more about the right-wing Nazis and Hitler, if we don't learn anything about right-wing Israelis. And just a BTW, they all here in germany act like jews are so important for them, but in reality they even don't know what "jew" means. Or "muslim", "islam" or "iraqi"... they feel guilty and that's it...
You have to understand what was going on in Europe 1870s-1910. The events in Europe late 1800 lead to surf/ pheasant uprising, constant rioting, financial crash 1890 was devastating and all the landowners lost everything. These event lead to division. It wasn’t something that happened overnight.
Actually for me your Nakba is WORSE than the Jewish holocaust: it is done by victims who agreed on NEVER AGAIN, it lasts for decades, and the worst: it is now online for EVERYONE to see, EVERYONE can recognize it - but people lie to themselves just as they did in WWII (and before).
I was gonna argue about the characterization of European Jews as "European" because it wasn't initially clear that Abdeljawad meant how they're viewed today, as opposed to the time up to and including WWII.
Much respect to The Electronic Intifada, Tamara Nassar and Abdaljawad Omar. I want to say @40:00 minutes.....N.E. Africa was NOT always Palestinian as we know it today, that area is N.E. Africa, it sits on the tectonic plates of Africa. Turks and Turkish Arabs invaded N.E. Africa, you mentioned everyone else except the Africans. I can appreciate that in Arabia you will have Arabs, in Turkey you would have Turks, in Persia (Iran and Iraq) you would have Persians, and in Africa you would have Africans. In Gaza you have an area called the Slave Quarters (Abeed), i took the Shahada many years ago, but history is very important, and i won't deny the invasion of Africa, and i won't allow this narrative of Mr. Omar or others without a challenge. In the majority, just like the Europeans, you always violate us and expect no response.
“Tne biggest insult to the memory of the Holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to commit genocide against the Palestinian people.”
Norman Finkelstein.
- Come to Asbury Park. The Kingdom of Israel is here. All Orthodox synagogues and related Jewish organizations in USA (God's Country) are under the control of the Union of Orthodox Synagogues - Beit Din of America. A Dovid mishkan is here. The authentic Ahron Habrit is here. The authentic Menorah is here. I am here.
Indeed
Every victimizer feels like a victim on the inside. That's how they justify their violations. And you hear it also from Israel over and over again. "Our revenge is just" "We are victims of October 7th"
There is no logic to it 👍
Holocaust Natanyanya will pay for his crimes against Palestinian with help from genocide Joe
On the 7th, there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 769 names on the Haaretz dataset, 462 were military personnel, including 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest.
Out of the 1148 total names, 403 were military personnel, 59 belonged to the police, and 668 were civilians. This means that the collateral damage on the 7th was lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 6:1. The ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1.6:1, with 462 military personnel out of 1148 total. When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is 162:1 and not "just" 6:1 based on analyzing UN OHC data from 2008 to 2022.
A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.6:1, a hundred times lower.
The reported (not all have their ages listed) ages of the victims are as follows:
0-4: 2 civilians
5-12: 8 civilians
13-17: 14 civilians
18-25: 132 civilians
26-40: 119 civilians
41-60: 55 civilians
61+: 40 civilians
18-25: 258 active duty military personnel
26-40: 60 active duty military personnel
41-60: 17 active duty military personnel
61+: 1 active duty military personnel
There is a more detailed report made 2 months ago when it was reported to had been 1460 and not just 1148 titled:
"I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%"
so important thank you
On CNN. 0:14
This is a golden testimony that should work so well in the International Court of Justice, first hearing this month.
Do you know whom to contact to deliver such valuable information?
Every Israeli 18 years of age or older is either IN the IDF or SERVED in the IDF and are now in the "reserves" . Only those 17 and less were "civilians". So according to YOU 24 civilians were killed by HAMAS on Oct. 7th. No 'rapes" no babies "beheaded" just IDF LIES!
I have heard the name Tamar so many times, keeping the Livestream running so smoothly and professionally, so it's nice to see her on screen taking on hosting duties.
Stunning, brave, substantial dives like this one are exemplary, of what we need most of all. To help end this hellish nightmare. Thank you both, all. So very much!
Thank you Abboud and Tamara for covering this aspect of the Palestine issue.
This show is pathetic : these two are painfully trying to mimic ( cargo-culting ? ) jewish pseudo -intellectualism : they are just parroting the buzz-words and concepts coming down from the jewish academic elite, and it's just sad farce ....
Israel technologically: 2023
Israel socially: 1976 Apartheid South Africa
Israel politically: 1933 Nazi Germany
Israel spirituality : the Dark Ages !
I could listen to Abdaljawad all day, every day 🖤
Me too!
He is amazing smart y hermoso!
It's not about Palestinians - it's about Israeli's loss of national identity; by 'mowing the lawn' for a generation, their collective story vaporizes. That's what we saw with the carpet bombing on Oct 8th - a break from their civilizational myth to an embrace of barbarism.
A profound irony. A profound tragedy. Shakespearian almost.
@@jvb9553 Shakespeare I think could imagine it happening to hundreds or even tens of thousands of people - because of mental illness - broadly defined in their times as evil - in members of the ruling class. He maybe could not easily imagine it scaling up to killing hundreds of thousands, or millions... What would he say now, and write, - about Biden, Blinken, Boris Johnson, Sullivan, Nuland, KJP , Kirby ? see A Family Business of Perpetual War
Affirmative, good insight,.
It's a lie built on lies and that's catching up with them...millions of Germans are re-evaluating the whole ww2 narrative...it's obvious
I think all planned out since Balfour 1917 - Himmler orchestrated the Holo then betrayed hitler all seems convenient. General Patton had some interesting thoughts that we were all tricked@@jvb9553
Amazing presentation! Abboud Omar's brilliant testimony through wise words should never be forgotten!
Thank you Tamara Nassar!
Bravo Tamara and Abboud!!!! ❤ excellent and insightful episode!
This is a fabulously deep discussion on this issue: much needed for outsiders like myself to understand your latitude of experience / thoughts/ history. Thank you both of you.
Appreciate both Tamara Nassar and Abdaljawad (Abboud) Omar. This will be an excellent discussion.
In solidarity with you since 1968
Unbearably wonderful truths. An analysis and deep understanding. How brilliantly your service to humanity shines in our minds and now our hearts. Your life's work is knowledge as imperative for our species. In many ways. Leastly perhaps, if even of gigantic importance to changing the simplistic usual binaries of our mainstream narrative mess. My gosh! To fund this work is to create loving, peaceful intelligence! Hugs to all of you helping to carry, hold, witness. May peace come somehow, kindly. With humility and decency.
Now the world finally starts to see and hear Palestinians and their supporters it’s easier to understand the amount of money that has changed hands in the effort to dehumanise and disappear them. The most educated population in the world having felt a 75+ year crime spree committed by the Western hegemonic powers have things to say that they’re desperate we don’t hear.
What a brilliant introspective mathematical and psychological analysis by Abdaljawad mashaAllah what a mind ..... truly every word was calibrated and gave a wholistic view. Am in awe thank you Abdaljawad and really appreciated this by EI
Love Ahmedjawad's commentary!
I swear, the only thing giving me hope is listening to you. Abdaljawad, you are my hero. And Tamara, so good to see you! Thank you for everything.
After hearing Gabor Mate talking about the trauma aspect of it, I came up with this: a family two parents, two kids. Abusive parent (NAZIS) abuses the kids (Jews) and the other parent (non nazi Germans) knows (partakes) but doesn’t help the kids. One kid deals with the trauma and seeks justice and to help that stuff like that doesn’t happen to others. The other kid says: “I’m never again the weak one.” and starts abusing others. The second parent knowing what happened and feeling guilty lets the violent kid do what he wants and defends it even against the the sibling. (If you wanna go on: the role of all other parties UK, US, … can fit in too) // In the end we have Jews like Gabor Mate, Norman Finkelstein, Marek Edelmann, Ilan Pappe and on the other side Bibi Netanjahu and Co. And the Germans that can’t deal with stuff. All trauma.
Thank you
Abusive family system dynamics have transferred into socio-political systems, for certain.
Finklestein is a Zionist grifter and Ilan Pappé is a Zionist criminal
@@arturohull14161 Oh look...it's the "Patriotic American Socialist"! Sup, bud? I see you're still spewing trash...
Yes, this is something I have been thinking about a lot over the last 2 months.
I think another equally important aspect is the social construct of racial hierarchy at play. Which ought to be plugged into the analogy you summarized here.
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The social construct of "race" is constructed with all that is deemed "White" as human juxtaposed with all that is deemed "Black" as nonhuman/ slave a priori ab initio. Positioning all those between the two constructs struggling for proximity to Whiteness and distance from Blackness.
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This is why analyses that fail to consider the White supremacist ideological aspects of Zionist projects are insufficient.
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✊🏾 solidarity against colonialism and all White supremacist ideology based power structures from Mni Sota Makoce (Minneapolis, Minnesota USA).
Free Palestine from German guilt.
This dry humor is needed in times like this.
What do you mean German Guilt ? It makes no sense.
Es wird Zeit über " die Deutsche Schuld" und den wahren Interessengruppen dahinter zu sprechen!
@@silkekoehlmann4188 Das wird hier wohl nichts werden. Die glauben tatsächlich, Deutschland bestimme seinen Weg frei und selbständig.
German government not the people has lost what’s left of forgiveness I had lest in me
They never appogizedto the gipsys killed and all the minorities they can see
So I have one word to Germany I will never drive your ars or anything that says Germany on it
Good evening everyone from the U.K.
Thank-you Tamara and Abdaljawad for this phenomenal conversation. I'm at a loss for words. This was amazing.
It's Olaf and his regime with 7% appoval rate. Not Germany. As a German citizen, I am disgusted by Middle East policy.
Cool. Are you also disgusted with "reunification"?
@@fun_ghoul No. As a German and patriot, I am of course fully behind the reunification of Germany. As an East German, I have a different view of international politics. For me, for example, personalities like Yasser Arafat or Nelson Mandela are great freedom fighters and idols. And not terrorists. Guys like Kissinger, Sharon, Genocide Joe or Netanyahu do. We learned that at school. Unfortunately, West Germans are often misinformed by US and Nazi propaganda from Tel Aviv. Or just ignorant and stupid.
Thank you! We kinda have the same problem.
Love and solidarity to Palestine from Egypt
@@danielgoers9469 To clarify, I meant "reunification" as it actually happened: Capitalist, US-occupied FRG absorbing GDR. By your reply, tho, I assume your politics are better than that (EDIT: i.e. better than supporting FRG/USA hostile takeover)... ✊
@@fun_ghoul My friend, that's called democracy. It's not always the smarter person who wins, but always those who are in the majority. It is, what it is.
Im bummed i missed this live. This analysis is absolutely FANTASTIC 🔥✊️❤️
It wasn't live, it was a premiere. The chat mostly sucked, so you've missed nothing. Cheers.
@@fun_ghoul ♡I appreciate your letting me know :) be well, luv.
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Discussion around 1:08:00 is important; what historical precedent is there for a European imperial colony to just occupy _some_ of a contiguous piece of land, and then stop? Nah. They will keep going until they are definitively STOPPED, either by a coast or...other means. 💀
Thank you Tamara & Abboud for the amazing conversation. Many great ideas in your discussion, Glad to see this in Premiere!
@Ellen Jean Abare Hey 0/
Profound, brilliant and lucid.
Thank you só much!
This was so brilliant, I’ve shared it to at least 10 people in my community. Centering and amplifying Palestini@n voices and stories is key in helping maintain a living, growing history of Palestini@ns as the occupation seeks to destroy.
“They tried to bury Us, they didn’t know We were seeds”
this is really insightful ! thank yall fr everything you do is so on point and informative - please dtay strong and take care of yourselves❣️
I see you. Inmidst of Europe I see you in Gaza, in thr Westbank, hear hundreds of your voices, feel your suffering, I wake up wishing it was only a nightmare, walk through the day heartbroken, and go to sleep with a prayer for you.
And I hope there are many of us.
Fascinating, deep and true. Thank you so much.
It’s so difficult to go through this most heartbreaking with tears flowing listening to Jawad’s analysis.It’s raw and true feeling of a Palestinian.I would recommend this interview be viewed by all.Above all it’s also very informative.❤❤️👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I believe I will watch or listen to this astonishingly deep talk every day until I have absorbed every point. Thank you-all so much.
Germany you pay your price and leave Palestinians alone!!
The soundest psychodynamic formulation of the all the parties involved
I really enjoy listening to Abdeljawad, he speaks very eloquently!
Excellent interview 👏. Free Palestine.
I learned about Gaza thru Abby Martin and her movie...a few years ago....back then...Iwas so shocked about the abuse the people who stole the land inflicted on the Palestinian people....but the genocide unfortunately happening now....it's just outrageous...
I hope there will be justice for the Palestinian people...
My heart is broken over all the lifes lost....
This interview is gold.....never looked at it from this point of view..
Much love to my Palestinian brothers and sisters ❤️.
Israel the thieves shame on you...
Genocide us government shame on you..Germany shame on you.....
Much love to Yemen soldiers for helping with actions in the liberation of Palestine 🇵🇸
Absolutely brilliant👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 thank you Tamara and Abduljawar🙏🏻🇵🇸❤️
Could the collective German debt memory delight in saying. See, we aren't the only monsters!" I have been framing this in the guilt and shame of those who refused Jews to emigrate, who condoned the "final solution", or said "We didn't know" as the reason for the euro-american complicity. But this idea of delight is a powerful turn.
I also think that Germans are secretly laughing saying to them self, now world have seen that they are worse than we are. And they are backing them because they are scared they will turn back in Germany after Israhell being dismantled.😁 What we also have learned is that Germans, British and Zionist worked together creating project Israhell, Oil was discovered in the middle East,so they need a proxy to control Arab countries oil. Palestine was occupied by British, they brought all the refugees to Palestina and the same year Israhell was recognized they start to expelling and killing Palestinian people. If you are real refugees surviver of camp, you don't do the same to those who took you in their house.
Brilliant discussion. Thank you. I wish I could forward it to all my contacts, but I am very lonely in my hunger to hear and see more about the history behind the act. Unfortunately it seems to be a widely spread pleasure of human beings to act inhumanely as soon as they are part of a collective.
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Thank you for this. Remarkable.
Excellent presentation and program 👏
This will be the second time I watch all the way through. This is the analysis we must now understand! An imperative deep comprehensive informative deconstruction of this trend of fascist particularity. Gigantic work. An introduction to comprehending how we got to this nightmare. Gratitude!!! Sad horror. Fascinating information!
thank you, i live next to anne frank house in amsterdam, every day I pass, walking the dog. We watch, and every day I think, what would Anne think of these times of genocide, war.... Anne would stand up for the palestinians. never again means never again. when you read her diaries.. margot wanted to nurse new born babies in palestine.
Very glad to hear a psychoanalysis THROUGH analysis of material conditions and productive forces. A society's social fabric (interactions and relations) are a direct product of how they acquire or produce their life sustaining materials, in this case, very clearly through theft.
This is such an interesting conversation, on thoughts that have crossed my mind that you've explored in an in-depth and academic way. I really appreciate this type of introspective conversation. Thank you!
There is no excuse for European guilt and standing by the genociders currently.
The genociders are European, so...
Very true
Beschäftigen Sie sich mit den Hintergrundmächten und DENEN, die für ALLE Kriege verantwortlich waren und auch beide Seiten finanziert haben!
Excellent discussion!! Thank you!
Excellent analysis...thank you for taking the time to explain the roots of this issue. 🙂👍♥️
You did very well Tamara…good job. Thank you so much for the very informative guest. We want him back.
Amazing discussion. Thank you! This gave me so much to chew on, intellectually speaking.
Viva Palestina libre y soberana 🇵🇸
Thank you for articulating ideas that have been floating incoherently my brain
This analysis is so profound and saddening. Especially at around 25:40 I jumped and recognized what I see in our politicians... I live in Germany and my taxes finance this madness as well as the Media appartus that never informed me about the Situation in Palestine 😢. Since I came here 14 years ago I was shocked at the implicit prohibition to talk about the wars critically; this is really decades in the making: people are kept comfortable and busy enough that they dont really think much and dont care about what happens around them. And whenever some movement is created to critisize the government, even if it is about covid or agrarian politics, they are labelled as nazis and silenced. It works so well that is macaberly brilliant!😣
Please make a distinction between the people and their governments. Many Europeans are appalled and very actively protesting and pressuring their governments in whatever way they can to stop this genocide.
Thank you !
Love the content, your analyses and the new music at beginning
Very revealing-and chilling. Thank you both for discussing this with clarity and astuteness.
1:48:09 There will be "tension" until capitalism is destroyed...just like everywhere.
(aprox min 58) She nails it when describing that one of the traits of ethnic cleansing is to eliminate that groups "intelligentsia", thus depriving them of guidance and intellectual wealth. I recently saw a documentary on Bangla Desh, where Pakistan when saw the course was irreversible, tried also to deprive the future state of its most valuable assets. Or the Katyn massacre of Polish; Ruanda where huties targeted all tutsies, but specially the "upper classes" ... ...
Yes! Very much. From the very early beginning of this onslaught we've seen the most affluent neighbourhoods of Gaza (such as Al-Rimal) completely destroyed, infrastructure, houses, high-rises, schools, hospitals and all. IOF statements seem 100x times more gaslighting for anyone with the slightest knowledge of Gaza's urban geography.
What an interesting talk. So much to think about. The orgiastic nature of the violence is so shocking and unusual to see. Tamara's closing point about the need for joy to be shown by zionists is something else to ponder on. That too is striking. 🇵🇸 ❤
❤❤❤ FREE PALESTINE ❤️❤️❤️🇵🇸
Excellent coverage Tamara and Abboud.
great interview, thanks
“….it is the tortured who torture.” Carl Jung
Thank you. Such an interesting discussion. 🇵🇸 Free Palestine
I think you're overthinking this, Mr. Omar. Anyone who is going along with what they are being told to think, it's simply due to unconsciousness. They get the 'vibe' from their society, whose guiderails are set by the government, that it is not acceptable to even CONSIDER a different way to see this conflict. So many people do not consider an alternative. i call it 'willful ignorance.' Think of it as the psychology of the 'highway,' where a citizen is often told to 'stay in their lane.' And likewise, with the effective use of social engineering, now also members of society are telling each other the same. So you have a fear of going outside of your lane, because the possibility is that you might be 'excommunicated' from your society. I don't think it primarily has to do with anything you're saying. Secondarily, yes, absolutely, the collective guilt and reinforcement of such playing a role in this stubborn blindness. My experience with such people is that they have NO IDEA what is actually happening in Gaza right now; they are simply not coming from an informed perspective. However, Germany also voted for the UN Resolution recently for a ceasefire, so they are seeing and acknowledging also some portion of what is going on.
I highly highly recommend you read the uncensored version of Solzhenitsyn's final book. It is very difficult to find a good translation that is complete. I can send you a pdf via the contact portal at e.i.'s website if you so desire. It adds a certain depth of perspective to 'The Jewish Question' that is normally unacknowledged these days and adds one more piece to the puzzle of how we got here.
A.S. details with extensive primary referencing to source material that the Jewish people that the Russians experienced did NOT enjoy farming the land; in fact they resisted it greatly despite being given land more than once. That’s a myth. They much prefer watching someone ELSE farm their land for them, or to live in the city and have a career that does not involve agriculture. Perhaps the promise of having their own state induced in some Jews a change of heart, but when 50% of the Jews lived in Russia, this was not at all the case.
Also please read One Nation Under Blackmail. You fail to understand that many American politicians are compromised, thanks to effective blackmail campaigns by Epstein, Maxwell, and the Mossad. the ones who are not living in fear have been compromised with generous contributions from AIPAC. You can see a list of which U.S. representatives they openly support on their website.
Another possibility worth mentioning is the ancient collective ritual of scapegoating. As you mentioned, Netanyahu has told the Israelis that the Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust. Take a mentally-ill nation scarred by lifetimes of incessant war and conflict and implant in them that the divine enemy responsible for unimaginable atrocity is their neighbor and they will rush to annihilate that enemy in the expectation that the suffering of their lives can then be assauged.
Perhaps you can’t say it, living in the West Bank, but I can say it because I have had many many interactions with Israelis in India, when they are just finished with mandatory military service. Israel is a nation of mentally ill people. There is even a psychiatrist to comes from Israel regularly to fetch the ones that ‘crack’ in Goa. They have an agreement with the Indian government to do this.
And to my mind, the reason they boast to each other about their exploits and killings has to do with 'normalizing' what they know is aberrant behavior by seeking and receiving approval from their peers. 'Stanford Prison Experiment'. not an exact match, but speaks to the 'hive-mind.' And of course, what Gideon Levy says about 'the necessity of dehumanization' for any colonial or apartheid regime to persist.
Your discussion helped me to see how Humanity is still learning that collective punishment, collective debt, collective anything is never appropriate or just. Not every German bears the same burden for the crimes of World War II, nor should they. Not every Israeli is equally guilty for what is happening in Gaza. Neither is every Palestinian deserving of punishment for October 7th. ALL of it is racism; all of it is grouping individuals together as if they are not singularly, humans with agency. Individual responsibility MUST return front and center if Justice is ever to be restored to Human Society, and this means the death of the Corporation--with its manner of shielding individuals for wrongdoing--and the end of the subservience of Juries and Judges to all other branches of government. As long as anyone is able to openly harm others without penalty, our civilisation will continue to crumble.
These are great remarks and recommendations. Thank you! Can I ask specifically about the Israelis in India and this psychaitrist you've mentioned. What's the story behind that?
This was BRILLIANT and i will be liatening to it again a few more times. I learned so so much!!!
This is an exceptional and fascinating episode. Thank you. 🖤
Hello thank you for putting this out directly . I was a teacher for several years and two separate black parents/ families ask that I would hit their child with a belt if their child misbehaved. I didn't feel comfortable with this at all but I feel like there's a parallel to this end the current crisis.
Thank you asa Tamara and abboud
Very Elevated Discussion. Thank you
1:45:55 Hating Palestinians has become the new antisemitism*: Totally acceptable in European/Euro-colonial "polite society"!
*Yes, I know hatred of Palestinians is by definition antisemitism. Big up Laith Marouf! 👍
33:38 To restate Tamara's thought, as I understand it: The Nazis were not actually defeated (EDIT: which is true). I might quibble slightly with Tamara, inasmuch as the Zists clearly _have_ learned the lessons of history...European history. They just needed to find a target population that Europe could (be convinced to) hate enough that they'd deign to foist "The Jewish Question" onto them, thereby making Europe and (other) Euro-Colonies _Judenfrei..._
For a long time fascism was extremely marginalized in Germany. I honestly think the fascism that's seeping back in over the last decades has a lot more to do with the failures of the liberal democracy, economic problems, and the constant propaganda that comes with a global western media apparatus that is entirely controlled by the ultra wealthy. Many of today's alt right here in Germany clearly are inspired by American ultra conservative movements, not the Nazis.
@@seeibe Your comment betrays a high level of brainwashing. First off, Germany is literally the home of Nazism. Second, besides the few tokens who were Nuremberg'd 💀, Nazis by and large escaped consequence for their crimes. Third, even by the mid-fifties, "West Germans" were pissed off that they were being blamed for the Holocaust WHICH THEY CARRIED OUT.
Also, young man, you lack an appreciation of the echoes of white supremacism which bounce back and forth between Europe and "the colonies". Like, "American ultra conservative movements" are literally the Richard Spencers doing the Berlin Swing, speaking well of the Austrian painter...and supporting the world's only remaining white ethno-state: The Zionist State.
And honestly, you're trying to differentiate based on where you perceive the influence is from, but...what is this influence? And in what way(s) do these differ from old-time Nazis? I think you're doing the usual German liberal thing, basically taking offence of behalf of other Germans at the suggestion that they're Nazis. No. F that. They're Nazis. Point final.
But is not Judenfrei. The Juden have taken control of the US through its lobbyist which the US holds Europe; Germany particularly tight because of WW2. It is almost a century past and every year the Germans would conduct a national “public apology” for WW2. That’s guilt ridden.
18:38 it is an unplayable debt.
Such a profound truth that really transcends the human condition
Not that the Balfour Declaration holds any legitimacy in most people's eyes, however Lord Balfour sought to put only ONE condition into that statement and to me, the fact that a condition was added to this 'letter of permission', this makes it a contract - We will agree do A. only as long as you agree do B. - The epitome of a contract. That condition was written as such, and I quote: ..."it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,..." This of course meant that the Jewish people were going to get every assistance from the UK Government to establish their "homeland" in this region, but only on the one strict condition that nothing made life any worse for anyone already living there. That no-one there already became worse-off as a result. Balfour only put one condition in there, which tells me that he thought this of the greatest importance, enough to put it in there at all, so it was a very rigid condition in his mind worthy of specific mention where nothing else seemed to matter to him, and he expected it to be honored when he offered the bargain to the Zionists. And of course the Zionists have done nothing since but break this rule and make life a living hell for the Indigenous people of Palestine to the point now they want to do this 'final push' and get rid of them entirely, which has always been the case but now they are just showing their true face publicly and it looks like they feel 'it's now or never' and they think this is their historical time to triumph. (Sorry Israel, not happening.) While I know that the Balfour Declaration should never have been written and used (because the land was never really England's to give to someone else) I still think a breach of contract occurred (just my view and I'm entitled to it) and on this basis alone 'Israel' has forfeited any right to be there on this basis alone that it broke the only one single rule it had to follow in order to secure permission to proceed, and owes it's entire existence to this letter with that one condition included in it, therefore it should be dismantled completely for failing to uphold its end of the bargain and immediately handed back to the Indigenous Inhabitants and those who were expelled during this failed project and want to return home.
Of everything I have read and studied the past three months, This has been one of the best analysis. We will definitely use this in the Palestine history classes and zionist sociology classes we teach. At the Midwestern Marx Institute.
avid follower on X-twit, happy to find you on Utube.
It is not a coincidence that a week after Holocaust Memorial Day, in Israel, Memorial Day is celebrated for the martyrs of the IDF and the day after that, Independence Day... It is all related in the psychology of Israelis - "we were a victim, now we fight"... Note also that Israeli high school students usually take a trip to Poland with a tour of Auschwitz shortly before they enlist to the army.
Of course without some sociological poll to prove his thesis, this remains speculation. But it's a very plausible interpretation of the behavior of European governments, corporate media and some of the populace. But as he notes, there are many anti-Zionist individuals in Europe who are being suppressed. There is a similar dynamic in the US though I think for a different set of reasons.
We don’t need a poll to prove what Aboud is saying , he has the lived testimony/ experience of millions of Palestinians . And the admittance of the zionists…..What he says is very deeply analytical and true…., it proves it, that’s why these western secular states are spineless, hypocritical entities following their own dark political theories .
There is two kinds of non-jewish Zionists in the West: Neo-Liberals and evangelical Christian cultists.
Fantastic, eye opening. Listened to the podcast twice. Now I understand what a reasoned response is when my Jewish friend claims that no other crime against humanity, including what is happening to the Palestinians now., can be called a genocide because it doesn't look like Germany 1945.
this was excellent
Brilliant analysis. Thank you.
Thank you for the analysis. Very informative.
Two smart people talking intelligently
Interesting thoughts on absolving a collective moral guilt/debt that can not realistically be expected to be burdened forever without any relief in sight
Thank you
So does this mean Germany is again aiding a holocaust..?
Absolutely brilliant 👍🇵🇸
Excellent analysis.
Abdaljawad Omar is brilliant. Is it possible to get a transcript of this interview? I want to study the individual points.
Great
I'm born and raised in effing germany in 1980, but my family is from turkey, so i've some ties there. And it's a grotesque joke, when germans are talking about "never again"... in 6th grade (age of around 12), i was raging because our teacher had refused to teach us anything about israel. I knew, that right-wingers were ruling there, but i didn't understand, why? I almost begged my so-called history teacher, to teach us something about, anything, but no, all we got to learn was hitler and holocaust, that was the whole "history class"... from 7th grade, I was excluded from the history classes completely, because I loudly refused to learn more about the right-wing Nazis and Hitler, if we don't learn anything about right-wing Israelis.
And just a BTW, they all here in germany act like jews are so important for them, but in reality they even don't know what "jew" means. Or "muslim", "islam" or "iraqi"... they feel guilty and that's it...
You have to understand what was going on in Europe 1870s-1910.
The events in Europe late 1800 lead to surf/ pheasant uprising, constant rioting, financial crash 1890 was devastating and all the landowners lost everything. These event lead to division.
It wasn’t something that happened overnight.
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Brilliant 👏 👏 👏
Very Informative.....
Actually for me your Nakba is WORSE than the Jewish holocaust: it is done by victims who agreed on NEVER AGAIN, it lasts for decades, and the worst: it is now online for EVERYONE to see, EVERYONE can recognize it - but people lie to themselves just as they did in WWII (and before).
I was gonna argue about the characterization of European Jews as "European" because it wasn't initially clear that Abdeljawad meant how they're viewed today, as opposed to the time up to and including WWII.
Yep.
Germany , leopard never changes its spots
Much respect to The Electronic Intifada, Tamara Nassar and Abdaljawad Omar. I want to say @40:00 minutes.....N.E. Africa was NOT always Palestinian as we know it today, that area is N.E. Africa, it sits on the tectonic plates of Africa. Turks and Turkish Arabs invaded N.E. Africa, you mentioned everyone else except the Africans. I can appreciate that in Arabia you will have Arabs, in Turkey you would have Turks, in Persia (Iran and Iraq) you would have Persians, and in Africa you would have Africans. In Gaza you have an area called the Slave Quarters (Abeed), i took the Shahada many years ago, but history is very important, and i won't deny the invasion of Africa, and i won't allow this narrative of Mr. Omar or others without a challenge. In the majority, just like the Europeans, you always violate us and expect no response.
Good to see Tamara because we always hear her name showing all the Jelly Beans etc but not her face.
Love the jelly beans...