Is There Such Thing As TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER?
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I'm a 72yr old who started riding at 14 and have owned many bikes along the way. I ride mostly country roads with a 55mph limit so a Ninja 400 is a great choice for me. I can rev the shit out of it, use all gears and pick it up if I drop it. I also like cheap as I never finance anything.
Awesome that you're still riding at 72! I agree that Ninja 400 or equivalent is the perfect speed for actual road driving. Slow enough to let it eat, but fast enough to go quick
This… as a 48 yr old rider with 20ish years. You are my hero. 👊
@Skidz75 Thanks guys. I'm no hero and I think it's pretty awesome to still be riding at my age too. My vision and reflexes aren't what they use to be but I still cuss at drivers for parking at 15 under in the left lane. 🤬
@@bobritter7197 thank you
I’m 70 yo, and want an Aprilia RSV4 Factory. Do I need it ?? Hell no. But it does something viagra is unable to achieve. 😅
God bless you! Ride safe and enjoy the Aprilia grin. 😂
Dude, you are an inspiration. I hope to have that kind of vitality if I make it to 70. Good to see folks still really living.
I personally think 100-120 is the sweet spot for usable power for street riding. I can break any posted speed limit in all six gears, pick the front wheel up on demand, and out accelerate anything short of a hyper car or an even bigger bike on the road. I like wringing it out from time to time. I would love to have a high horsepower sledgehammer bike, but it would not be for daily use.
Yes indeed, to many authoritarian restrictions, especially outside urban areas. But it takes a certain amount of skill to use all that power.
Agree I love my sportster s. Has a ton of torque and 120 hp is plenty for me. Enough to get a wreckless driving charge but I can shift gears in town and get around just about any vehicle I need to. Plus it’s a great commute bike.
@@mattstakeontheancients7594 I was looking at the 1250 Sportster S, it's one of the few Harleys I'm interested in. There's a '22 locally with 163 miles on it for $12k. Do you have any complaints or run into any maintenance problems?
@@tyranid05 so far has been great. Only complain is no fairing which puig makes one and will be installing it in a day or so. Mine has a little over 3k miles and it’s been great.
Bro how tf you gonna use 100 HP on the street?To get to 100Hp you are at around let's say 10k rpm and in first gear thats like 80mph or close to that.Thats already borderline illegal on most streets.Dont get me wrong I love em fast but usable for street is like 60 HP maybe 70.What you should value is torque.Torque is king for the street
I don't own a scary fast bike, but I am glad they exist.
I live on an island so the answer for me is yes. Billions of people all across Asia do just fine on little 100cc bikes.
If you're in north America then you probably need more. So the definitive answer is: it depends.
Roads in Spain are not as wide and open as US ones, so here having a liter bike may be too much.
I live in Singapore. speed limit of 90kph. And even then I want my liter bike.
Because when I cross the border into Malaysia and hit their highways, I just go bonkers at over 250.
Yeah, if i get stopped by the cops I just pay the fine. No points on my license in a foreign land. Heh.
North Amercia varies a lot too. If you are in New Hampshire where you have a lot of twisty, narrow roads, high horsepower isn't a necessity, if you are in the great plains where roads are flat, and wind gust are 40mph, you need a bike with some weight and power.
I'd say too much horsepower for the street is when you need rider aids like power modes, traction control, wheelie control and all that stuff to be able to ride your bike safely/properly. If you need a chip to handle it for you, that means it's too much for you.
I think there is one thing that’s kind of overlooked in the stat sheet and discussions, and that’s at which speed the engine can produce the bulk of its power. Because my Superduke may have 180 horsies, but it’s kind of usable on the street, because I can tap into most of its power at reasonable speeds. Compared to the M1000RR which revs to 14k rpm and hits peak power at like 60mph in first gear. That’s not usable power, because you need to be going 60 just to get to the good stuff, and you can’t go 60 in first gear a lot. But you can absolutely go 30mph in second gear on the duke and just take off. That’s what makes it fun, you can use that power comparatively often
My thoughts exactly. I'm strongly considering the new 1390 as my new daily. You ever done long trips on the SDR?
@@themechanicaladvantage I did 900 km here this weekend NO problem and I am 60 years old
There's a free update from BMW for the S1000 and M1000 that considerably drops the RPM redline while greatly boosting midrange at the cost of topped. It doesn't void the factory warranty. If I was going to buy a BMW then that'd be the first and possibly only modification I'd do to it.
@@themechanicaladvantageyeah I‘ve done some longer trips. Hell I put about 6000kms on this thing in a little less than two months, I would say touring is doable but you have to be ready to compromise. It’s not uncomfortable per se, but 6th gear below 140kph is really rattly so my hands are a little numb after a long ride from the vibrations, not an issue when you’re at higher revs tho. The seat is okay, not the most comfortable thing in the world but that’s par for the course. Overall I think this bike is absolutely amazing on curvy roads, it does quite well in day to day traffic and it’s acceptable at long touring. I‘ll actually be leaving for tour in Croatia with it in a few days, it’s gonna be 2500-3000km in 5 days, I think I will suffer but I am looking forward to it non the less haha
Agreed. My 1290 SAS rips around hard. Though I'm usually almost always lugging it around at 3000-3500rpm to maximise fuel savings. Heck, first and second will poodle along at 2500 happily even. I love that engine. Let it get up to just 4000 or 5000rpm and that's more than enough to be flying. Don't have to get anywhere near the ~9500 redline. Though those few times I have let it breath...oh boy. There's a reason it rarely happens. lol Thankfully this is a great grunty engine that doesn't need it.
I moved from an Sv650 (73hp) to the MT09(119 hp) and 119 hp are already too much for the road, at least where I live. Can’t imagine 170 hp
You're a glutton for torque, huh? The MT 09 is a beast. Eating city streets and traffic like lunch. Most naked bikes do.
Its that torque/suspension/geometry combination that's too much... Plus you can get fat and it will still rip....
Aprilia rs660 owner and i will be stepping down to 400 class because the speed limits are ridiculously low where i live and i never get to pin it full throttle!
I started 2 months ago on an MT-03 and I'm close to max revs coming off an intersection, but it's so fun to be absolutely ripping it just going 35 feet.
@@Ramonatho You don't get that feeling often on bigger bikes because of the speed limits... Legally 1st full throttle is on the limit and 2nd is way over 😆.
My sweet zone is 80-100 ponies, but i dont really care about hrsprs
Torque is my queen
Hp is tourqe x rpm. So if you increase your tourqe your going to increase your hp
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593yes, technically. But that’s not the entire story. If the gearing is not set up for high RPM, you will not translate that torque into hp. You can have very high torque, but if your redline is 5k rpms then you’re not getting triple digit hp. Hence why Harley’s have high torque but only make like 70 hp
Off to go put ‘torque is my queen’ into an AI image generator.
That’s what is enticing about Harley’s 114 motor, 120 ft/lbs. Biggest downside is the weight (and cost)
More torque = New tires
But a necessary part of the equation. There is a such thing as too much of anything, including torque.
Out here in Vegas we have a lot of wide open freeways and empty desert roads so a superbike or hypernaked can really stretch its legs if you are willing. If I lived in a place where everywhere is congested and narrow I wouldn’t own a liter
I live in NJ. It's a shit mess of congestion. I have a S1KRR I gotta take out to Pennsylvania to really stretch legs. I have a Bandit 1250 though that I commute on every chance I get. ¾ of the year really. Rain , sleet and snow as long as the roads are plowed. I been doing this over 20yrs I just need it. BTW, I wish I lived in Nevada❤
I live in Vegas near Thomas and Mack and it's almost always congested over here, I can hardly get over 40 on University or Paradise
@@Ramonatho that’s why you gotta ride out at the lake or red rock, etc. city riding is boring
I've been riding a speed triple 1050 rs for 3 years. It's considered "underpowered" at only 150 while many now make 175+. I have gone wide open many times which takes me to 100+ very quickly. It's not scary, just fun.
When I was younger we owned horses. I had a Appaloosa gelding that could jump a 5’ fence with me on his back but he couldn’t be trusted and a Quarter Horse Mare steady and sure footed; I always rode the mare. Too much horsepower is like an untrustworthy gelding, he’s going to throw you, maybe not this ride or the next but when you least expect it, down you go. I want to be comfortable, form a bond and trust my mount so together as a team we can face whatever the trail throws at us. Never trust a spooky gelding..
I ride a 1982 CB900C, sport cruiser making 95ish HP and 650lbs. Perfect mix of speed, comfort, and handling for back roads and a little interstate fun occasionally.
Get a ZH2 with a flash, gives u 220-240 wheel horsepower depending on what stage u get, and its about 108-110 tourqe to that =D
I went from a 2021 MT-09 to a 2023 Suzuki SV650, enjoying the SV650 much more. I can use all the power my SV650 has, something I couldn't do with the MT-09.
On another note, after looking at getting a muscle car for years, bought a 2023 Miata Club RF with the Brembo/Ricarro package a few months ago. I can use all the power the Miata has, and use more than 2 gears to get to 80 mph. In other words, I have a freaking blast driving the Miata without potentially going to jail LOL
I did something similar but I went from an 2022 MT-09 to a 2023 Suzuki GSX-8S. (Already own a 2020 SV-650 before it)
I do a lot of slower backroads since I’m on the east coast and the MT-09 was way too fast for those roads. Barely ever shifted unless I was on the highway. Don’t regret going down in power one bit. lol
Also my MT-09 made my throttle hand numb after riding for a while which was driving me crazy.
I'd say it definitely comes down to your use. I feel like there's plenty of great all-rounders in that 45-90hp range. to the point where I don't think I would ever buy a motorcycle with 100hp.
I'd consider something like the 800nk to be all the bike I could ever want.
But the real answer is just n + 1 you buy different bikes for different things. if I want to put it around in the city I have a smaller bike with less power but is very maneuverable. if I want to carve up twisties you buy a different motorcycle with a little more juice and better suspension. want to tour? you need something comfortable with some pretty predictable in balanced power.
so the clear answer is just buy more motorcycles lol
I agree completely. I ride scooters daily. I've ridden the R1, Fireblade, ZX10 and Ducati V4. Not my bikes but my cousins and friends are quite the squid team. They're wicked fun but my ability as a rider only really limits me to ride maybe something that has about 80hp. And I can't financially convince myself to blow that much money on owning a superbike yet. The zx10 felt the most connected to me so I'm saving up to maybe get that someday
Having gone from a KTM 390 Duke at 45 hp to the 1290 Superduke at 170 HP as my first and second bikes respectively, somewhere right in the middle is probably about right for useable power. That being said, the 1290 engine is so usable everywhere and so friendly when you want it to be that I love it! My Third bike is now the 1290 Super Adventure. The slightly retuned engine handles lower speeds so much better and only gives up a few horsepower up top. The LC8 engine makes the power where you want it and you don’t have to do go-to-jail speeds to really enjoy the extra punch. Is it necessary, ABSOLUTELY NOT, is it enjoyable. Oh yeah!
I rode a Honda Super Blackbird at full throttle in the NT back when there were no speed limits outside of towns & you'd see a car every 30-60 minutes coming in the other direction. But here in Sydney I get around fine on a KTM Duke 200 & only feel the need to hop on a bigger bike if I'm riding for more than an hour or going for a ride in the mountains.
It really depends on where you are in the world & what you're doing. The speed limit is heavily policed here in Australia, so 100hp is more than enough, but in countries where they're more liberal with speed limit enforcement a high powered bike would make sense.
Your video also makes a good point as to why a 600--700cc sport bike is the best kind of sports bike for the street.
Out here in Texas there isn't 🤣, but i'm doing high speed roads usually. The only time there is such a thing as too much power is riding in traffic and low speed twisties. There's times I wish my MT10 had a bit more power like the V4 competition or ZH2.
You been watching Highside Lowside? They're asking the same question this week. A motorcycle itself can not have too much horsepower but can have too much for the person riding it.
If your bike has literally more power than you can use at legal speeds on the street, at least it has more power than is legal.
Think about it in the sense of aircraft: An aircraft cannot have too much power, but an F-35 flying around inside a large football stadium is going to be rather boring. That's kind of what modern Superbikes (and their naked counterparts) are. They have bonkers potential, takes a ton of skill and qualification to utilize in the aspect of their inherent design, but if you put them in rather limited, mundane, and regulated environments they'll be pretty limiting and expensive for what you get out of them. Better to fly a light bi-plane with a lot of torque, response, lift, and maneuverability in a small environment because the inherent design of the craft allows the pilot to utilize most everything in that environment.
I got 105hp (according to manufacturer) and it’s more than enough for what I’ll ever use. I roll on the throttle at 60 mph and I’m at 80 before I even realize it.
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The debate about too much horsepower. This is my two cents on this topic but think about this I had a Ktm 890 R and had 121 horse with around 170 kg of weight that was a great bike fast enough all you really need but then I bought the super Duke the 1290 R and I find, even though it has much more power, I am driving a lot more calmly and sensibly than with the little Duke
I don’t feel the need to speed as much as with the small one. I don’t know why but that’s the way it is for me.
i have a gen 3 sdr and it is ballistic amd super fun but also excessive for the street
I love my 2021 Tuono, I have got used to it now, but I still have huge respect for it but it is a divine motorcycle. I love the midrange it has so 175hp is more than enough for me.
I have over 20,000 miles on my 2023 Ducati Diavel V4 and I constantly use all of the power to navigate the California Interstates. It's kill or be killed out here in these mean streets. I use the bike as my daily commuter and I'm 60 years old. I cruise at 7,000 to 8,000 rpms so I am always near the top of the power band. Definitely safer to have as much horse power as possible.
Im in my late 50s. I ride a current Tuono v4 factory. I have riden and raced motocross from 1980. This is my first street bike. Have been riding it for one yr. It is the fastest and quickest machine I have driven or riden. In reference to power: this bike demands respect. The first few rides felt a little overwhelming. With a little time you get use to the power and how to regulate; as per your skill level. Unlike older bikes the technology on this bike is incredible. Traction control and wheelie controls are amazing for beginner and intermediate riders. That said, whatever power you ask for you will get. I have tasted 1st 2nd and 3rd juiced and was well over 130mph. At my age their is no desire to go faster and the acceleration in 3 to 4 seconds alway brings a smile. So the answer regarding power ... the power is extreme. It can be adjusted to some extent with the technology. Riders must use only the power they can handle. Throrttle control is critical. Brakes: the brembos are magnificent. This is not a light bike when fueled but it does stops reality well. Handling: very nimble. Took it to dragon and it handled like a dream. Note ... early morning rides on the dragon with damp fallen leaves on the pavement can be very slippery. Comfort: i can last 4hrs. No issues with comfort Pillions: I take a Pillion often for rides up to 3-4 hrs. No complaints. Daily: depends where you live an traffic conditions. Cool temps and always in motion ... no problems with the Tuono. Hot climates and siting still for long periods... this bike does not do well and will overheat. Track use: I did one track day. The Tuono loves the track. It is fast and competitive. Brakes, motor, self adjusting suspension, ergonomics all are A+. Overall: The Tuono V4 can be placed in any category and score an A+. Love the bike and all its power. 😊
I'm a one bike guy, and my current bike of choice is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. 160hp, so is on the bit of the higher end of things. I have always heard the 100hp-120hp range to be the sweet spot though, and I believe it. I test rode a Tracer 9GT that I was considering before buying my 1290 (small part of me still wonders if I still should've gone with the 9GT) and it has a bit over 100hp. It was a hoot to ride and I loved it. I never once felt I needed more punch. Even my previous bike, the 701 SM at 74hp, I felt had plenty going for it.
I just went with the 1290 SAS because I have been wanting to experience one and own one for many years now and finally was in the position and had the opportunity to do so, so decided to go for that. I also wanted to experience premium features such as semi-automatic suspension and ACC. Totally worth it, I love it. I'm the kind of guy that wants ALL the tech on my bike. The more tech the better. But yeah, I haven't cranked the throttle on my 1290 much yet, but the few times I have, man does it make me laugh like a mad man. lol Majority of the time I'm just lugging it around at 3000-3500rpm though.
In summary, I agree with the 100-120hp range being the sweet spot.
I just bought The Tracer 9 GT, and I can't be more happy. It's the dream bike for me and my usage - I usually stop riding when there's ice and snow which makes riding just too dangerous and not fun anymore ( at least with a street bike )
I had a CB500 year 2000, CBF600 year 2007, a really cool FZ8 year 2016, and the Tracer 9 has one hell of an engine, whenever I feel like I want a bit more speed and power it's already waaaaay too much power for the street haha.
As I'm using my bike like 80% of the time, I went for this model ( I'm doing a lot of highways and I plan to do some long roadtrips ) the luggages are plenty with the top case added, suspensions are way better than any previous bikes that I had, heating grips etc makes this a near perfect replacement for a car.
I don't have the money and the space for that, but I can see myself buy a Tenere 700 as a second fun bike :D
@@morganpleugers3194 Yeah the Tracer 9 is definitely a great machine. Could have saved a lot of money getting it instead of my 1290, but I just had to have the 1290. I can always recoup my finances over time. lol Enjoy that Tracer.
My KTM 890 Adv @ 105 hp is currently plenty for me.
Usable street power that still surprises me from time to time.
What’s up my dude, been a hot minute since I have been on the channel. Hope life is doing awesome for ya! Keep on riding and loving life my man.
I own a Ducati Streetfighter V4 with 208 hp but I like the bike because it has the grunt and power to ride around town comfortably, easily and smoothly, never going much above 7000 rpm, which doesnt approach accessing the max horsepower. I don’t get on the track. If you ride like that, it’s only a number.
What an interesting question, do we need powerful motorbikes. Well here in the UK there's too much traffic, radar vans everywhere and roads that are literally falling to bits, but...... After owning a Tracer 9gt, gsx1000f etc, etc. I soon realised that a certain exciting part of motorcycling had gone from my life. The sheer thrill of riding a litre sports bike, even slowly beats plodding around on a less exciting machine. I bought a brand new ZX10R at the age of 53 and I love it. It adds a level of enjoyment just being in charge of such a powerful bike. You just have to have the restraint to control it. Great video and that Aprillia is beautiful 😍
I ride a 1990 DR650 tuned to uh, about 50hp. Geared so that above 120kph its starting to get a bit buzzy in top gear. The engine is grunty, responsive and the braap is just intensely fun. Sure, i get gapped by many bikes on uphills before catching them in corners but is it necessary to go 50-100 in a second? I much prefer rolling on the throttle, keeping it pinned at full and hearing the power build and the exhaust note change. I get that same thing high power bikes do at 200kph while going legal speeds on my commute.
After a while less than 70hp gets boring really quick to me. I sold my 1200 Sportster because it got to the point that I didn’t even want to ride anymore. Looking at faster bikes now
I've had several super sport bikes in the past, I gave them up because it's basically impossible to go under 100 on those things. I got a new gsx 8s last year and I love it. It's got some of the sport feel but nowhere near the top end speed. Hanging out between 40-70 feels really good.
Beautiful bike! The RSV4 in those colors are the bomb
I’ve had my gen1 S1000R for 6 years. With a full exhaust and PCV tune it probably makes a tiny bit over the 160 stock hp. As it’s an inline 4 I find it’s quite manageable for putting around. But after using it for so long I don’t think I’d want a bike with all too much less power. I don’t track it, street riding only. It’s nice to be able to stay in 6th gear and still be able to perform unstressed passes on the highway. The top end power is there for when I want it and always feels like a rush. It helps to contrast with a slow daily driver. Do I need it, no. But nobody really “needs” a bike with more than 60 hp IMO. So 160 is my sweet spot. It’s enough power for me to not want more power.
My last bike was 64hp, and 60lb-ft. Enough power and torque to get in trouble if I wasn't careful, but I could also ride it hard and not be doing crazy speeds. It also cruised quite comfortably at both city, and highway speeds. My current bike is 116hp, and 118lb-ft, but that 118lb is from just above 2k, through to 6k rpm. I don't believe I've hit full throttle yet (I've easily obliterated many factory "performance" cars), and I got it in January. It's also difficult to ride at lower speeds cause all that torque down low the throttle is instant, even with very light application. I absolutely love the bike, but at the moment it's much better suited to highways rather than city riding. Hopefully a tune will soften it up a bit down low so it's not quite as aggressive on light throttle so it's an even more enjoyable bike to ride.
You can ride a fast bike fast in short spurts on the street.
You need to watch out for law enforcement, and you need to watch out for any type of cross traffic.
It is fun to go from 45mph to xxx mph in 3-4 seconds, and then come back down to earth.
Your "slow bikes being ridden fast" will be waaaay back there... feeling intense, I'm sure...
If you can responsibly choose crazy bursts and chill time, then the big bikes are hilarious grin machines that print fun.
The Super Duke makes the "short spurts" even more fun, and that is why I love it. I don't need to rev to 8k in 1st gear to get my jollies. I am having a good time WAY before that.
Totally agree. My SDR 1290 is perfect for the road 🍻
Spite, you say there is a "cut off" where the useable benefits of massive horsepower can't really be demonstrated on the street. I can understand that. For me as a road rider, my motorcycle is a tool I use on the street and horsepower is nice to have but torque is ALWAYS the king. Torque is far more useable, it gives you that immediate and momentary "horsepower" in a sense to get you where you want to be, to get you smoothly off the on ramp, to target that empty spot in the traffic and find that packet of space quickly ! As a road rider, I'll compromise any day on horsepower for torque !
I ride a superduke. Ill be setting out on a 7 country tour on it in 2 weeks, so I am confident on it in all situations. I often cant go wide open until 4th gear in sport mode, though the superduke is geared a bit lower than other hyper nakeds. I ride it hard always. But the roads here are much twistier on average than the usa and the police less present in the country side. The roads reinforce slowing down. Though I do hut high speeds every riding day
So, I ride: Indian Scout & Aprilia Tuono 660 Factory. I can't handle dropping a bike because I over throttled. The concern worrying about keeping the stiction in a straighter line- sucks confidence right out. I agree, generally, keep it @ 120 or so, gives access to usable power while keeping the adrenaline in check. Maybe 130, maybe 140. No more. I'm happy on a 400Lb. Bike w/ 100 and it doesn't get boring.
I have several bikes at the moment and have had many bikes over many years and probably 10 in the past 2… everything from Benelli TNT 1130, BMW s1000XR, Suzuki Vstrom 1050, Royal Enfield interceptor 650, list goes on. I have some favourites and the Tuono V4 Factory is one. I rarely take it out as my license is at risk every time I saddle up. The Akro is a symphony, the handling sublime. The horsepower managed by electronics to make you look😊 Valentino Rossi, is truly addictive. 2 weeks back I bought a Ducati Multi V4. It’s a bike that is very easy to ride long distances fast. It needs some pipe work from its standard form, to have a sound that makes a smile. I also have a CFmoto 800MT / IBEX for the US viewers. It’s just a great bike for eating miles through outback Australia. Here is the kicker; if I could only have one bike… I know the answer, not sure anyone would agree.
I bought a 2020 R6 because I've always wanted an R6 and since they don't make them anymore, I snatched one up before they all sold out locally. Lots of people criticized me because I mostly only ride around the city and don't do a lot of high way and a 120hp is "pointless" for the street and lots of people say the R6 is gutless down low, and that may be true when comparing to other higher CC motorcycles, but it still has tonnes of low end power and only takes a second to hit the power band. I've beaten a tesla from a stop light, if that isn't usable torque I donno what is.
Do a 520 sproket / chain conversion -1,+2. That will put you right into high revs almost instantly. The R6 is the best 600 I've done this mod to. I been riding 600's for 20yrs now. Keep these Inline-4's going bro don't fall into that parallel twin crap. Now that you've tasted adrenaline you can never go back. Ride safe❤
120 is gutless on a naked, but not in a sportbike. Those things rev up very fast.
I feel like you have to really understand how to ride to properly ride a 600. You don't have gobs of low end torque to mask your mistakes, and while you do have plenty of power it takes a couple seconds to get to it. I daily a 2009 CBR600RR (mostly around the city) and love how wild the engine is. I just wish someone would make a more ergonomically comfortable bike with a manic high-revving four cylinder, I ride about 10k miles a year but my hips and knees are having a harder time doing longer rides.
@@NicholasNormile Suzuki makes a bunch of K5 engine tourers and nakeds.
@@aluisious those are tuned differently to better fit a naked or touring bike. Similar to how the Honda CB1000R is more mild compared to CBR1000RR
as i live in the US and no where near the autobahn i see no need for a bike i can ride legally in the entire US and never have to shift out of first gear
33yr old, ride a 22 Superduke R Evo and absolutely love it. Mountains of useable torque down low for around town or getting out of the whole and blasting out of corners. I had been wanting this bike for 10years since I rode the original Superduke and finally got my bike, definitely need to be comfortable on your bike no matter what it is if it’s above 120hp. That speed limit or traffic come up very very fast.
My 99 CBR 900 was about 128 hp (from memory) and even though i went from that to a gen 1 Bussa , I still miss the Honda,
I took the Honda to the odd track day and it was just a friendly bike to ride.
I have the Tuono V4 Factory, only ever hit full throttle and keeping it wide open while upshifting on track, for the road I probably only use 1/2 throttle and it’s still ballistic and can reach silly speed so fast. I returned to bikes after a 30 year break and the difference between then and now is like night and day, especially the electronics. I went with the Tuono for its looks and all the tech!
I think you hit it right on the head. I have a new Mandello, 115hp. Just about right, I haven't used it all yet but it will be there when I need it.
My21 Africa Twin AS DCT has ES! I love it on my bumpy county roads and moutain twisties
The 101 BHP is thrilling on the low down torque on the AT
I run a 1290 Superduke in the UK. Yeah I don't need that power but man does it put a smile on my face.
It's like dating a supermodel 10. If you can, you do.
Street Triple 765 is where my sweet spot is, although I enjoy ripping my other bike (1290 super duke) on longer road trips to the mountains.
Enuf power is to adequately keep up with traffic on all roads traveled. I've ridden for over 50yrs, and currently ride a 2022 Burgman 200 that does 80mph and gets 70-75mpg. I'm now looking at touring bikes for longer trips, but for short trips/errands the scooter works and I will keep it. All the best from Florida😎
My mechanic Alan always says 100 is the sweet spot, but he weighs maybe 160lbs and lives in a congested city east of the Mississippi....so I would say you guys are spot on.
On english B roads 100/140bhp is the sweet spot for me depending on weight of the bike. I have a Duke 890R and a Tracer 900 GT, and both are perfect for the roads. I love mixing it up with R1s and 1290 SDR's in my group at braking zones, corners and upto 80/90mph they cant get away from me. Ive owned an R1 and Gsx1000r and im now happy with my "midle weight" bikes.
The 2024 Street Triple RS. It has128HP and it is absolute perfection for the street. The king of street bikes.
Yes sir! As a panigale V4s owner, I totally agree!! I also have a Diavel and that can be a bit to handle also!!!! But I think you’re wrong about semi active suspension!! Think that tech will trickle down as it usually dose!!
Around 120 hrsprs is enough with extra headroom for highways. Beyond that it's either for autobahn, added torgue, racetrack or bragging.
In my case, I like the torgue of my Honda Blackbird more than its max speed potential. Though it being a fast bike comes with aero benefits. I like how sensible overkill it is.
Too much horsepower is when you're either scared of the bike, its insurance is astronomical because of the power, or its design becomes unwieldy because of the power. So basically the limiting factors are rider's skills, wallet and preferences.
My SF V2 has way too much power for the street but boy it’s fun getting to the speed limit quick! So much fun having that extra power when needed👍🏽
I have a ZX-11D. Sometimes I think it's more motorcycle than I need. However, it is an absolute blast to ride!
So, I live on a small island 14 by 27 km... The most that is recommended by experienced riders is 650, and not all 650s. Cruise control cannot be used cos after 5 seconds we have to break, ether due to a corner or traffic.
As soon as I escape city limits on my 1290 SAS its game on for the throttle. Really the only thing that prevents me from riding even faster is cops. I like the back country a lot and I have roads that always are low traffic so not much passing is needed.
Street Triple (120hp) perfect for the street for me. My last bike was a GSXR 1000
Better handling that any 1000cc, and holds its own against them at any street legal riding speeds. The 2024 RS is the king of street bikes.
The amount of power you can use is 100% related to where you ride. I live in the rural Andes Mountains and could ride a bike like that Tuono wide open for an hour here with long sightlines, smooth pavement, and no traffic. If you live in an overpopulated police state like USA or Europe it's not as much fun
The new Goldwing DTC without the trunk is such a great power cruiser. Very easy to ride hard around the corners, and center of gravity is about 6' under the pavement.
I ride a 2000 RSV Mille and I've gotten completely used to it, so much so that I'm looking to hopefully supercharging it and throwing a big bore kit on just for funsies lol
Bruh, in a few years the only logical upgrade for you will be a motogp bike
Spite my man. I think that you've done it. I've never seen a comment section agree.....well totally. I also agree as I ride a middle weight naked. 100 hp is were I sit 55 ft. lb. of torque.
Problem is, to have all the tech (automatic suspension, quickshifters, advanced abs and traction control) you have to buy halo bikes and those bikes also have high horsepower. A Street Triple with electronic suspension would be so nice!
I agree a little with Spite but I still go for fast bikes. I have a Ducati Streetfighter V4SP2 with full exhaust and tune. I also have a 2023 Honda CBR1000RR-R Fireblade SP with full exhaust and tune. The Tuono and Streetfighter do really well lower down in the rpms and remain fun at legal speeds, especially the Streetfighter with it's short gearing. The FIreblade on the other hand is almost never out of 4th gear even with ripping on the highway and it doesn't start to get rowdy until you get over 6k rpms... They really are a lot more work though, and they are serious machines. They can be insanely fun on the streetz but also a lot of responsibility.
I started out on a 1100cc Africa Twin then jumped straight to the Streetfighter and Fireblade. I have not had a slow sport or naked bike so I don't personally have anything to compare these too. I do give them WOT at least once or twice every time I ride them! But as Spite said for me it's more about the cool engineering, tech, livery, and just overall flex of these machines.
Why choose? I have a 1990 GSXR 250 with 45 hp, its so much fun because it sounds like its going 150 km/h when doing 60. i also have a 1992 zxr400 with 68 hp. a ZX4RR with 75 hp a S1000R with 165 and a tuono v4R with 175. i do very much agree, the two big nakeds are too much for the road, in low gears they wheelie so no full throttle. in 3. gear no more wheelies, but they are going almost 200 km/h at peak power, so no.. i can't use full power on them, but the torque is nice (and power wheelies) :-)
Its all about HP delivery, refinement and comfortability. With an Inline-4 liter bike you can ride ride a fastbike FAST. Of course at seriously illegal speeds. You can ride a 600 seriously fast but the exhilaration is at the way top of the rev range. Ive had my S1RR for 11yrs, i have almost 60k miles on it, its delivery is crisp and smooth and predictable. It took a few years until i could unleash the full potential on that bike and i had already been riding on the street for over 10yrs.
No one needs that kind of power, IMHO. I have a new ‘24 ZX-14R with all the usual mods like flash, tune, exhaust, etc. it is unbelievably insanely fast! I absolutely love it and am SO glad it’s not my only bike as I wouldn’t appreciate it so much if it was a daily driver. Since I’m fortunate enough to have some more reasonable ponies in the stable, it’s a real treat to twist the wick on the mad 14 occasionally. I generally don’t stay out too long on it and retreat back to my corner in short order, feeling humbled. For most of my riding, I’m good with 80-120hp machines.
Some streets. Utah roads are garbage, Virginia smooth , Florida has trash everywhere, long stretches of Arizona to ride, Philly traffic.....some yes. Spite a single man in leathers in a lot of America would say "no such thing"
I agree with this take. I think a lot of street riders want all that power to flex but can't touch most of it because they don't have the skills or aren't willing to risk doing 120mph in a 55 zone. Street riding when you aren't being a complete hooligan is mostly about being faster than a SUV so you can pass the average commuter... not because you are actually a street Rossi who can ride like a TT rider. I'm lucky to live where there are miles and miles of 30 -40 mph winding hill country roads so smaller displacement bikes work where because you don't really need massive power to have fun... I also have a FZ1 and you can barely ever wind it out because of tight corners, traffic, cyclists and cops... but if I lived over in the valley where its endless straight, flat roads and only 3 cops to patrol the whole county... a total rocket ship makes way more sense in that area.
My daily riding is on a scooter with 19 hp (a Honda Helix), and *in my daily riding* it's plenty.
However, the fastest speed limit I see is 55 MPH when riding around my immediate area, and most of my riding is on 35 MPH stroads (and often traffic is what's holding me up, not the 19 hp). On the stroads, I could even get away with quite a lot less power than that.
Take that thing on the highway, and I'm holding the throttle wide open to just stay around 70 MPH with the tall windshield and my not so light weight. The fastest I've ever had it on the flat was 75 MPH, and that was with a tailwind and took a *long* run to get there. That's a problem when traffic wants to go 75+.
I suspect something like 30-40 hp would do everything I'd ever want out of a two-wheeler - enough power to hold 75-80 MPH on the highway to do some touring (although I've toured on the Helix without too much trouble, just avoiding highways), not so much power that I couldn't have fun on the slow local streets. (Then again, my daily driver car is 121 hp, 3050 lbs, 0-60 in about 10 seconds, for an idea of the kind of performance I consider acceptable.)
100 - 120 hp would be the perfect amount of power. Unfortunately nearly every manufacturer treats their products in that range as second class bikes. The Aprilia 660s are the only almost-exceptions, but they're a little lower on power and have most of the issues associated with an exotic brand. Even Ducati will not give the Monster and Supersport equal treatment with the Streetfighter and Panigale.
The world really needs Honda to step in with a new VFR (800-900 cc).
Suzuki beat Honda to it, with the new 800?
@rionfindlay2236 Still treated as second class. There's no cruise control, heated grips, or a few other nice features. Gotta protect the 1000.
Cruise control should be standard on every bike with throttle-by-wire. And heated grips should be an option (if not standard) on every street bike. I know a lot of people don't like a lot of the electronics and especially don't want to pay for them. But IMO it is unjustifiable for a manufacturer to not include these 2. It's actually kinda rediculous for a bike to have riding modes and a quick shifter but not cruise control.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Agreed. CC doesn't even cost much, if anything at all to include once the throttle-by-wire system is already in anyway. They only don't include it in order to protect their higher tier bikes. Greedy.
You consider something like the Street Triple a second class bike ? lmao
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Cruise control and heated grips is what makes a "first class" bike to you ? Goddamn man, just go drive a car, it has a super cool advanced feature called "Wind & Rain Protection".
I’ve been really happy with my 95 VFR. It’s a fast bike, but it’s not insane fast - with right around 100hp and plenty of torque it feels great to ride and never feels out of breath, but it doesn’t feel out of control either. Pretty much perfect.
MT-09 as a beginner bike. Me under 200lbs on a 400lbs bike with 117hp gets squirrelly. Even with the lift control I've had the front tire lift while turning onto a highway.
1390superduke is just about the right amount of power and torque 😅
Car guy turned bike guy here. Had a
1000hp camaro that i dailied for 2 years and people always said that it was too much power for the street but sometimes you need that power to hurry up and get over. You dont need the hp all the time but sometimes its nice to have a lot on tap. Currently on a ninja 400 but its definitely to slow sometimes but I'm new and still learning the right way. I will get a 636 this year and 1000 in another couple years
the 1000cc bike will be similar to the acceleration of your camero, you are gonna love it
I have a FZ1S with no traction control that is supposed to have 150HP 1000cc inline four, gearing is fairly tall 1st gear gets to 140KPH but that means the bike actually never brakes traction if with good tyres and full throttle on 1st gear.
For me 150HP on a 220KG bike is the sweet spot.
I've got an early 2000s liter bike. No rider aids and around 160hp. It can be a handful, and it will break every speed limit on the continent in 1st gear. It's ludicrous for the street, and you'd be really hard pressed to get 100% out of it on a track. I think any bike, even a heavy cruiser, is perfectly fine with 100hp.
I have this exact same bike and yeah sure overkill in many ways BUT honestly I personally don’t mind it. I’m controlled enough to not overdo it but just love the brutal and unreasonable characteristics of the motorcycle. All in all it all depends on what each rider wants out of a bike and their skill level. At a race track I’d rather have a smaller bike but on the roads, I don’t mind the bigger bikes. I’m in a absolute love with this Tuono and don’t regret getting at all 😂
I got a chance to demo an R6 at the track (Las Vegas Motor Speedway). My track motorcycle is a CBR250R (I have two of them one a track only and the other is stock,) and with the R6 I never got above 3rd gear on the back straight. I started getting behind the bike trying to keep my wrist in it, and blew the braking zone. I have a Vitpilen 701, and aa a lightweight motorcycle the 72hp is plenty. I can see for me maybe the upper limit on the street would be the R6 power level on a ~400+ lb motorcycle.
I've just recently got into riding. I have a 09 ninja EX500. Honestly, i couldnt imagine a better street bike for american roads. It is an absolute blast stoplight to stoplight because i get to bang through gears, but also takes the highway well because it does have to horsepower to go 80/90 on a highway (and much faster, if i was a squid). I think the 500/650/700/800 twin class really is the optimal size for the street because its so so capable and so usable on the road because the power is in the middle of the rev band.
Just came back for a ride on my 22 tuono V4 RR (no active suspension). I love the bike, I love the challenge of learning how to use the power, but I do feel the weight of responsibility because I know that if I stuff it, it'll be because of the power of the bike. I may have had more fun on an RS 660. Still, adore this bike.
If person A doesn't like the size of person B's bike and acts in a way that bans person B's bike then expect one day for a person C to come along and ban person A's bike.
We should act with respect as a community and we should defend each others choices when it comes to bikes.
Some people might not like that bikes like the 1000cc 4cyl bikes exist but everyone should fight for them because once they're gone your bike will be next.
Would say 80-110 is probably the sweet spot for street riding. Hell, currently own a T100 with 65 and feel like I am not even using all of it.
I have a Yamaha MT10 and a Super Tenere. The MT10 is 160HP, and if ridden daily, you would only tap all the ponies very occasionally. It power wheelies in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd with ease, and can float the front wheel in 4th. Unlike the Tuono, it is easy to ride and comfortable. It actually cruises pretty well with all the low-end torque. It's enough power that I've never become bored, and it still "feels" fast even after 6 years of ownership, and yes, I can utilize all the capability of the bike with confidence. Confidence, but not a lack of respect, it's a rocket, make no mistakes, it accelerates like a spaceship.
My Super Tenere, however, is still my favorite. It falls in that 120ish HP range. It's very comfortable and very versatile, and with an aftermarket exhaust and a tuned ECU, it is not slow by any reasonable measure. It does any and everything. It can go anywhere. It's equally adept on an interstate highway or a forrest access trail. It's like an overpowered 1200cc KLR. An indestructible 2-wheeled pickup truck.
I've never been to America but I would still claim that there is no such thing as too little power just wrong attitudes. Heck I've had amazing times on a -60's moped which has what 3bhp?
Yeah sure on te highway maybe but I just dislike highway riding regardless of how many fire breathing stallions I have at my disposal. It's always only fun for a minute.
I personally don't like motorcycles that are too powerful, but I guess it's also highly dependent on where you live and what style of riding you prefer.
I live in the UK, we either have narrow B roads or large A roads and motorways with roundabouts every 5 minutes.
I personally don't enjoy doing the fast/slow/fast/slow thing.
I'd rather sit on my cruiser at 50mph and enjoy the Scottish scenery on the back country roads
My Moto Guzzi V100S is just right for me. I’ll never use all of its power, it’s reassuring just knowing that it’s there.
I love the semi active Ohlins suspension!
I have a 20 year old Daytona 955 and I honestly only ride it because of the engine notes and the attention it gets. It’s a fun bike to ride, especially here in Cali, but I’ll probably never use all of it. Don’t care though. It’s an instant conversation starter.
Had a Hayabusa, then a ZX10r. Now I have an 04 CBR600F4i with the suspension redone.
F4i takes the cake for fun, and that's all I'm trying to have on the street.
My Tuono 660 with 100 HP doesn't feel underpowered, but sometimes I'd like to have just a touch more to play with. I've been considering upgrading to a Tuono V4 or Speed Triple.
I do fine on Ga highways, daily commute on a 65hp NT700v. Occaisionally I would like more acceleration, but 99.9% of the time it is plenty.
Its a good thing your giving it back, you don't want to be stuck with the warranty work to get things fixed when it breaks, or, long term, be stuck with the expensive repair bills to keep it going long term... because hey... its an Aprilia! But you never know, some people who are gentle with Aprilias have good luck.
I live in outer London (UK) and ride an SV650 on some of the most congested (and speed controlled) roads in Europe. On a really long straight I occasionally wish I had a bit more power but mostly, it’s enough. I’m looking at getting back on the track again and will probably want a little more power but all-in-all I think 100-120hp really is enough..
Gen2 fz1 is perfect bike
Can confirm a couple of friends of mine had them and it was super comfy to go fast or just cruise on. But it also allowed me to attack corners surprisingly well.