Don't Let Your $6000 Simrad or B&B Chartplotter Fall Apart
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2024
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HWH Electronics, Corp.
St. Pete Beach, Florida
www.hwhelectronics.com
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Hell yeah HWH! I wish we had retailers like THAT around here. They actually care about their customers and the reputation rather the bottom line. So glad you got it squared away!
Not quite sticky tape, its 3M VHB double sided " tape " I say that because it is more like a flattened compound. This is the industry standard for overlay touchscreens. I have replaced hundreds of touchscreens from 5in monitors all the way up to 48in panels and always used the same product and have had great results having seen what you were given I can clearly see not enough product was used for that application not even close. Great job as always troubleshooting and I wouldn't hesitate using the 3M product in the future if it is installed correctly it is pretty much fool-proof.
VHB is some seriously strong tape.
Clearly the company needs to stop trying to be NASA, and use enough adhesive.
Especially for what they charge.
Walmart quality is not acceptable here.
There is less pride and durability in things made today than in generations past.
I'm happy to see this worked out well for you in the end. I wonder how the story would have ended if it was a non-famous customer, who does not have a 219,000 Subs UA-cam channel? Sidenote; When Simrad bought out Navico, Simrad did nothing to support Navico customers and the customers who had inoperable Navico autopilots were stuck with inoperable junk. At the time BOAT/US, who had a catalog sales business (before selling it to West Marine), and who sold most of the Navico autopilots, did not stand behind the warranties. Both Navico and BOAT/US knew of the fatal flaw with the Navico autopilots and chose to 'sweep the dirt under the rug'.
I really don't think they had a clue. I think he just make the call again and got a more reasonable person on the other end of the line. Not that having an audience does not sometimes help. It does. And yes, I think all big companies have some bad actors in their midst. Buyer beware.
It was AMF that used to own Harley Davidson when they were crap. Brunswick owns Mercury Marine and a bunch of boat companies and has a great reputation for quality
AMF made bowling equipment golf carts with a Harley engine think bicycles sports equipment. To
I have repaired ribbon cables torn in that exact same way. I have came up with a few different methods and I have had good results. There is nothing wrong with double sided adhesive as long as the correct adhesive is used and the surfaces are properly prepared. I have hundreds of rolls of different types of adhesive tapes. By cousin works for a converter which takes adhesives and other products and converts them into products. I get all the roll ends left over that would end up in the trash.
Brunswick actually owns Lund fishing boats, along with mercury motors, Boston whaler and a whole host of other marine companies. For a time they also made pool tables and exercise equipment. It would almost be fair to say a boat company makes your bowling balls rather than the other way around.
I just want them to make it better. : )
Glad you had a happy ending!
I worked with HWH last year (2023) and they were great!
Nice one Doug!
Right on. Glad they got you fixed up.
in Australia, Consumer law protects us, even if "manufactures warranty" expires, if the product fails to meet the expectations that it will be fit for purpose, then the consumer is covered. cheers
Proving yet again that "marine" isn't always stuff that is over built but is just expensive.
Glad everything worked out, Doug!
Me too!
Have another good day Doug :)
Glad you're back in biz--they can't keep ya down
Good idea, I need to check my Flat screen in my RV, when the weather gets better. We still have ice & snow here in NE Indiana.
I was going to say that😊
We learned the lesson of sticky tape here in Arizona, where it gets 120F and more inside our cars. We do the same thing, adhesive them together....
I've seen 160F inside of a black car here in Texas.
Good luck with it Doug. Had no luck with Simrad 3 units in 15 years. Last one deletes an air bubble in the screen.
Hard to get good stuff any more. Changed to Raymarine.
Hopefully better.
Hopefully
Sure glad they stood behind their product.
… the second time. :)
It's sad what we've came to in our Manufacturing add some manufacturing defect that should never go out of warranty glad you posted what product I won't be buying from them
You sometimes can solder the ribboncable togetther. Another way is taping them and then use conductive ink to connect them. I have done the first several times (in measurement gear)
I had a 15" monitor from a big ship in for repair. The glass was about 1cm think. The problem was the cable between motherboard and LCD interface. About 20 wires and the isolation was completely turned in to powder. That was a 5000 euro monitor from 2008. The answer from the manufacturer, "we do not sell parts from then any more, to old" It is bizar that this happens. I have seen enough isolation fail but that was on WW2 radio equipment using rubber.
That's how modern business works. Not much money in spare part when the device is more than 5 years old.
It's just: buy new device, give us your money! Please!
This is one of the reasons why our environment is feeling a bit tight by now!
I was thinking along the same line. People who do repairs on SMC or mobile phones are used to solder such small bits.
Tape on glass panels are effected by heat, seen the same issue on LCD TV's
I have bought ribbon cable over the years on ebay you just count the contacts and the length. Alot of that stuff is common asian items
Tkzz for sharing.,.,.,peace
That torn ribbon cable might be fixable, but it's a lot of microsoldering. Maybe solder paste applied with a siringe and hot air reflow? The kapton tape should be fine with it.
Had to be returned for the warrantee.
I had something similar to that on my VHF remote Mike station after two years the rubber on the Mike cord simply just rotted and fell off after getting online. I find that other people had the same problem. Haven’t found anybody that got them replaced by the manufacturer.
The history of Companies is surprising. My 33' motor-home was built by Harley-Davidson 30+ years ago,
Happy Ending
Simrad, B&G and lowrance are owned by Navico. Navico is part of Brunswick. After buying Navico they decided they didn't want to deal with me or my distributor anymore as we sell Garmin and Raymarine
Even if it's not my problem, this pisses me off, really 😡🤬
Glad they made the right thing and recognized the guarantee!
I'm surprised B&G only stuck together with tape. Normally the issue with repairing marine electronics is first getting inside. I guess Navico have been copying phones which seem to be glued together these days to keep water out. Looking at B&G screen how were they keeping water out?
I learned from the two repair centers I talked to that they consider the whole unit as disposable. Which makes me wonder why they don't just glue them together.
You could fix it just got a solder everything back together with some special tape high temperature plastic and super glue
I have some skills, and I have some interest. Neither of them lies there. :-)
Think about this... How often do you see the screen on your bowling ball fall out? :D
Good tip, wont be buying Simrad, Raymarine seems top notch or just more of the same ?
Did you ever find an extra divorced transfer case? There's two on central iowa marketplace. From a 76 ferd f250
Thanks but I'm not looking. The one we have is doing fine and the backup is to simply put a drive shaft back in place.
@@SVSeeker 10 4, safe travels
It's a bowling ball chart plotter! 🤣
Or a chart plotter with a bowling ball 😂
We can thank Apple for "leading the industry" towards massively overpriced, glued-together electronics.
You can't expect them to last forever !
He's expecting it to not be built like shit. Use your brain.
At that price, you can expect the screen not to fall off! It was something else if it was 15 years old and the electronics could no longer do it.
@@thekodanatorWow, settle down I was joking.
You forgot to use your sarcastic font.@@alexaltrichter1597
So it lasted exactly as long as the company wanted it to. Built-in obsolescence
At least you were not a sea when it happened, one can only carry so many extra parts. 👍
Yup. And I have a spare now.
Fail 7 months... that's not a failure, it's a design choice to make you buy more so items are made less durable than they should be or will fail much sooner than needed. You can see the same thing all over in every sector, where pieces of whole devices are made to fail within a certain limits that just beyond the guaranties.
I don't think B&G had thought that you would place it up with the front angled downwards. Either laid down in a consol with the front up or placed in a holder with the top angled backwards. Maybe they learn from this? BTW. I have Simrad on my boat.
Nope. I asked the installer about that. Said lots of them are mounted overhead.
It is really that much better than an iPad and a navigation software subscription?
Not if I was just a day sailor. But with armature crew it is an awesome piece of kit. If there is an AIS or Radar target that breaks the permitter it will let you know. And the autopilot that can follow the wind. That is awesome.
You would certainly think that equipment made for offshore operations would be sturdier than that.
You would think.
Failing 7 months out of warranty is exactly as engineered. That means that you will just buy a new one and they can get another $6,000 sale from you and they saved a few dollars per unit on assembly by using tape instead of an adhesive. Win-win in the corporate world.
I hate the disposable, designed to fail economy that many companies have gone to. It is wasteful and wastes a lot of money as well. What is always fun is to take one of these " intended lifespan" products and repair them permanently like what you have attempted here and screw the corporate trash out of their devious plan to milk all your money out of you while they fill our landfills with still working equipment. Good repair and I hope it lasts for decades so you can be an example on the internet on exactly how to fix these, ruining this business plan for this product.
That’s OK Harley Davidson at one point was owned by a bowling ball company ! LOL
Brunswick used to make harley davidson's too
NOOOOOOooooo
Maybe you got one heading for Boeing...
send it to louis rossmann theres a good chance he could fix that for pretty cheap he does micro soldering should be an easy job he has a youtube channel with his info on it spares are always good to have around
You have to return it for the warranty.
should of add B 7000 along what you just Used
You were using it wrong, the screen is not supposed to be tilted down like that! j/k
You need to take that up with the manufacturer that disagrees with your assessment.
b&b just do not buy it , if you in ocean it happen then what?
You use your phone or iPad and install the spare unit.
Engineered to fail
Just like almost EVERYTHING else "made in America".
Pls don't throw that old screen away, I'm sure there's someone that watches your videos who knows how to attach a new ribbon where the broken one was
They don't let you keep it. You turn it in for the replacement. And they toss it in the garbage. What a world.
@@SVSeeker Oh my...
Brunswick also in the past bought out Harley Davison. And the quality went to shit.
Brunswick never owned Harley-Davidson. AMF owned Harley-Davidson from 1969 to 1981.
LOL. Maybe a little too much vibration on the boat?
Holy Shit. Are you the guy that decided to use tape?
@@SVSeekerNo. I am Raymarine customer and last time I needed something done by them (UNDER WARRANTY) it was a 6 month ordeal. BTW I am also a HWH customer. They installed my auto pilot. Good people.
I'm honestly surprised someone of your philosophy would even own a $6000 chart plotter. A cheap tablet with a navigation app will do 95% of what expensive electronics can do. There's many people sailing across oceans right now using only a tablet. I'm actually somewhat surprised you haven't welded together your own sextant and drawn your own sea charts 😂
Nothing wrong with a tablet or even a cell phone. Might be a problem with guessing someone's philosophy. : ) But I love the convenience and security of a system that can plot the route, watch the depth, AIS, Radar, and steer the boat. And I'm delighted that I can save enough money making stuff I enjoy making so I can buy the things I like. That's my philosophy so right that down, but write it on a napkin. I'd not bother carving it in stone.
first lol
lol learn to micro solder. ive fixed harder things with a 2$ soldering iron and some wire pulled off an old transformer from a broken phone charger
Great skill, but one I don't care about.
wow, that is some shitty engineering. The panel even already has a metal frame with holes for screws.
It's perfect engineering. It failed precisely when the manufacturer intended it to.
sticky tape....cheating for price or what....
Some Management Directive to save $$ on the product build cost. I get this where I work, shaving nickels out of a $10,000 product. And then they complain about how Quality is going down and too many service calls, gee wonder why?
@@TD_YT066 I agree with everything you just said....