Thank you for sharing. Growing up in Peru with my cousins, my grandma would tell us to “ stop with the kachascan”. We knew she meant rough housing but never knew the history behind the reference. Keep it up boys!
@@JEG69 thats because a lucha libre was brought by railroad workers from england and the original name known for lucha libre in several south american countries was cachascan
Need to stop remembering new stuff for that to work lol I realised ages ago I'm holding myself back by trying to remember every single thing I've learned . Keeping my limited internal memory card clogged up 😂
I often wonder how advanced the technique was in antiquity, where presumably fighting/wrestling techniques developed for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
@@davidmorris1716 same here. We saw how much MMA has refined over just a few decades. Just imagine if it had 1000 consecutive years to mature like many systems in antiquity.
Great video, Catch is absolutely under appreciated. One minor issue: its seems to be made out that Sakuraba started Catch when he was 15. He was a freestyle wrestler until college and didn’t actually start training in catch / pro wrestling until after college I believe.
Correct. Billy Robinson always gave credit to Sakuraba’s freestyle wrestling coach, Shozo Sassahara - Olympic Gold Medalist. Sakuraba was Billy first Japanese student that he did not have to teach from scratch.
I've never heard anyone say a single time that Saku invented catch. Where were you hearing that? And. Now as I'm deeper into the doc, I see what you're talking about lol
Being a huge MMA and WWE fan it’s so cool to always see the history of the sport and how guys who were bored after work and wanted something to do turned into two of the biggest sports in the world
I think it was Josh Barnett that said catch wrestling is BJJ on steroids. He knows a lot about steroids, so I'll defer to his expertise. All joking aside, it's always cool to learn more about catch as catch can, and this video breaks the history down really nicely.
@@unmessable12 the irony of a martial arts built upon the mantra of 'size doesn't matter' where now ever practicioner is trying to get as jacked as possible.
catch wrestling was an integral part of my early training. my dad had a bunch of old film and tapes we used to go over when i was a child. i still tell people my grappling style is a catch based bjj
@@theemperorcharlemagne he's not really a catch wrestler, high level grappling especially for MMA has become so muddied it's kind of pointless to try and split hairs like that imo but he's part of the catch wrestling lineage.
Toms from wigan where the snake pit is located home of catch as catch can and aspull olympic wrestling club he's obviously trained there over the years his dad even says tom did jujitsu with him and the wrestling club was just up the road
@@creegyschannel8414 the snake pit was resurrected probably after 2010. Calling Tom a Catch Wrestler does not add up. Has he trained under a Catch Wrestler, if so who?
@@Magneticlaw for those wondering the story and correct me if I am wrong. Billy ran a Pro Wrestling camp with Verne Gagne and legends like the Sheik and Ric Flair attended as students. Throughout the camp the Sheik was talking shit about everyone. Eventually word got to Billy. Billy challenged the Sheik to a freestyle and folkstyle gut wrench drill, and Billy couldn’t turn him over. Billy then lost his temper and gave him the ole Lancashire surprise in the form of a knee to the thigh. This injured the Sheik for about a month. The Sheik then went on to call him Billy “No Coach” as a nickname. I love Billy, I think he was a great guy. But this certainly wasn’t a good look.
@@theemperorcharlemagneam not sure about the year but that was in the early 70s. Flair said he never wanted to piss of any of the old shooters because he knew they were legit. He said Verne trained the lving daylights out of them. Billy was there cos he was essentially a veteran like Verne and Verne trusted a hardass like him to run a training camp the way it was run by Billy Riley back in the Snake Pit of Wigan. Billy and Verne taught the trainees catch. Unlike Stu Hart, Billy didn't have to go too far to make somebody say uncle. Needless to say the Sheik was the young idiot who thought he could take an older man who wasn't going to let a free challenge go to waste 😅
All of my mma enthusiasts never mention the importance of catch wrestling. It was vital to the rapid evolution of MMA and I am thankful I was able to see the beauty of the art by being a huge Josh Barnett fan (I was able to catch him in his Baby Faced Assassin days) and Erik Paulson's catch wrestling gym is literally down the street from where I live. Love the channel chaps!
It's a Gen Z weenie era now and they're trying to take credit for everything nowadays when MMA in truth has to thank all martial arts for its existence.
By FAR the best MMA on Pont doc i have ever seen This was absolutely excellent. 10/10. I learned so much that i didn't know. And being a northerner, lots of this hit home... thanks again for the awesome content
It sucks. He's trying to erase the real history and suck up to MMA which is mostly BJJ and Muay Thai with some wrestling and boxing/kickboxing. MMA owes its existence to all martial arts and names like Bruce Lee and Gene Lebell and many others. Jason, you're a puke, and you should shut this channel down if you're going to be twisting the truth on the history of catch as catch can sucking up to BJJ. Ken Shamrock wasn't the best representative of catch either. He was overrated and showed it as soon as everyone started mixing styles.
Been in love with Catch as Catch Can for almost 15 years now. Beautiful part of British and Irish history that goes back thousands of years. We need Catch to be officially recognised in the UK and Ireland as part of our heritage with the heritage fund or what have you. Get some more schools for it built up.
I've known a few Catch wrestlers in my time, and I can say one thing, if they get you in a legit hold, you're done. Modern MMA owes a hell of a lot to catch wrestling, and pro wrestling in general, in how it's represented and how Catch has played a major role in most major styles today.
The Gracie's marketing was ridiculous, yes. And I think thats what really drives people to dislike them -aside from simple jealousy, but Aspinall is a BJJ black belt as is Eric Paulson. And Curran Jacobs (CACC WORLD CHAMPION) was not and he got smoked by a BJJ guy who was relatively unknown. None of the successful BJJ athletes cross train in CACC - _because they dont have to_ I like Catch, I respect Catch, but the delusional sense of superiority the online fanbois promote is just absurd, especially since CACC athletes arent out there winning in the major MMA or sub grappling promotions.
@@spacekookmusic I've been going over my view history. Was Volkov undefeated before Aspinall beat him? I hoped to watch that fight, so I'm hoping it's another Ruskie.
@@spacekookmusic he became swolekov during the Overeem fight and when he got that sick back tattoo. Tom submitted him after that. The only competition truly left for Tom is Jones and possibly Gane or Anatoly Malykhin
This is a great video, but one blaring error, Maeda was not Kimura's teacher, Tatsukuma Ushijima was his teacher. Tatsukuma Ushijima was super interesting, he travelled to Beijing and beat a Chinese wrestling champions and even tried to kill Tojo during WW2. I have a video about it on my channel.
Hello guys, have you heard of Dan Kolov? He was a Bulgarian wrestling legend known for his achievements in "catch as catch can" wrestling. Born in 1892, he became the first European to win the World Heavyweight Championship in this style. Kolov defeated notable opponents such as Ed "Strangler" Lewis, Rudy Dusek, and Joe Stecher. His career was marked by numerous victories, including multiple European and World Championships. Kolov's strength and skill on the mat earned him international fame, making him one of the most celebrated wrestlers of his time.
Yah very interesting ill have to look into him. I recently learned about Bareknuckle in the 1800s too.... as it turns out prize fighting has a much deeper evolution than fans really have assumed since the UFCs inception.
Judo Gene Le Bell was a student of Karl Gotch. Karl, according to Gene, taught him the double wrist lock. Gene also added that Karl could beat everyone with the double wrist lock. Karl was from the Snake Pit gym.
As a huge fan of British Pro Wrestling, they have the greatest fans in the whole world, it warms my heart to see the influence that Catch wrestling has had on the world of MMA. This is a lovely video. Thanks for making it.
haha FR so fucking dystopian. Imagine you are in the USA, you have no money and your kid needs surgery - i guess we go getting some brain damage. That is truly on the level of gladiator games in ancient Rome. MMA (ufc) is a sport - but you cannot train your chin, in slap fighting wins who goes first.
I waited 19 minutes for Billy Robinson to be mentioned. Was my Grandmothers cousin and I heard some fantastic stories. Always nice to send these links for her to watch about billy.
Modern BJJ is so heavily influenced by Catch Wrestling, it can hardly even be called BJJ at this point, hence why everyone says submission grappling, but no credit given to Catch Wrestling is so unfair
That’s completely ridiculous to say and not even true. The majority of submissions and techniques were invented in Japan. The only thing you can really say is that catch influenced leg locks.
@@theemperorcharlemagneExcept almost all the submissions are actually from jujitsu and not catch. Jujitsu and judo used to be one martial art and if you actually looked at the history of judo you would see that these submissions did not come from catch.
@@HaroldBluetooth-uz1zz Except you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Majority of submissions in jujutsu and judo were borrowed from Catch Wrestling
Catch Wrestling also went on to inspire Luta Livre. Luta Livre also has a win state of submissions(and maybe pins?) . I have never seen a video or an article that properly explores the connections between the two sports which I think would be fun to watch/read. There have been a small number of Luta Livre wrestlers in MMA and the UFC and the sports isn't as popular as it once was just like Catch Wrestling.
@@pax_mundi_8983 Catch Wrestling didn't inspire Luta Livre. Brazilian catch wrestler Euclydes Hatem, who choked out George Gracie, had created Luta Livre. Sambo has direct roots in catch wrestling as well
This is by far my favorite video you've ever done. Formally I have never trained Catch but I have had the pleasure of rolling with some that have a lineage and I learned alot. Catch, BJJ or Sambo they are expressions of the same thing. Good job on this deep dive!
Amazing job on putting all this together! It's a treasure trove of information about the subject, it's roots and the various off-shoots (no pun intended). Brilliantly done!! Thank you!!
I love when you cover history of MMA and fighting and this very very well done, but I have one correction, you said that Lou Thesz trained Ed Strangler Lewis which just isn't true as Lewis was the one who trained Thesz and not the other way around. I do love that you mention Lou's significance as he was very important for MMA, might not be as instrumental as Gotch aand Robinson but he was the third guy there in UWF and those shoot wrestling promotions, training many guys that would go on to fight in Pancrase and Shooto cuz he was actually skilled as a wrestler.
Really wish Catch gets more recognition and praise as it deserves. Shame there aren't more gyms around. Really well made documentary hopefully it can help spread the word 👍
Love the history of catch wrestling. In Southern New Jersey there is a gym called Snake Pit U.S.A. that's keeping Catch alive. Definitely check out them and their YT channel if you can.
Absolutely amazing video, however a huge part missing from this story is US Folkstyle/ Collegiate Wrestling Perhaps a part 2? The Gracies supposedly learned the "Americana" [Top Wrist Lock] & named it that after learning it from an American Catch/Folkstyle Wrestler & the reason why US Folkstyle Wrestking is different than the international Freestyle is largely because of the influence of Catch
What a great Documentary, very well put together, the history, from point A to the end back where it all started with current UFC Heavyweight champion.
This is so great. I've talked about this with people for years, but now I have a video I can point them to. Great work! You probably won't win an award, but you deserve one.
Awesome show!!! So well done! Thank you. What a time to be alive: to have access to people putting in the work to create content like this that we can learn with for free. Thanks again!
As someone who's from Liverpool and only about 20 or 30 miles from the snake pit I had no idea about any of this history infact I've never even heard about any of it! Truly fascinating thanks for making such a great video.
Bisping needs to see this video! In the past, I’ve read a bunch about catch wrestling and its practitioners, but this videos pulled so much together for me. Another excellent video!
Love the video. With so much of the origins of wrestling being in the UK it’s crazy to me that the country absolutely sucks at it now, both in MMA and Olympics 😢
Origins of wrestling? Wrestling goes back to the Egyptian an Babylonians. It didn't originate in England. The Japanese were doing jiujitsu way before and full of countries have millennia old national wrestling styles. Even this fanboi video doesn't claim this. You probably mean CACC.
It shouldn't be that crazy we don't do it in school or outside, it is as simple as that, no-one does it. Why we don't do it is the question. I think its crazy we dont
@@vlada Wrestling traditions developed independently in many parts of the world. The Japanese were not grappling before Europeans. In both cases the history of wrestling goes back before recorded history.
I had the good fortune of taking no GI grappling classes under Neil Melansen, back at Couture’s gym, and that guy was awesome. The grappling he taught was so straight forward and effective, and BRUTAL in its application of pressure.
Let's not forget that all 1st generation Gracie brothers (Helio, Carlos, George) learned Catch wrestling under the renowned Orlando Americo "Dudú" da Silva. He was coaching them privately every week.
I remember in the early days of pride and UFC, you would hear about catch wresting all the time. Nowadays, I don't think I've heard it mentioned in years.
It's really interesting to examine it today as compared to modern BJJ when you see Josh rolling with Craig Jones and such. You can tell that Catch came from a much rougher place and mentality in how it emphasizes strength, its best defense is offense attitude, etc. Modern BJJ resembles a slicker more technical version of catch than it does traditional BJJ at this point.
So let me get this straight. An English Martial Art is brought to South America by a self-proclaimed Japanese Count, who then proceeds to teach it to an immigrant Scottish family. … and we call this art form Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Got it .
Normally I use the comment section to troll and joke around but this was incredible. You really did a fantastic job and gave all the precursors to what we watch today a ton of love and credit. Awesome job, MMA On Point!
Thank you, guys! Exploring vast depths of european martial arts has been my hobby for well over past decade, and I love to see more brought to broader light.
I recently sparred with a pro-wrestler in a BJJ class at an UFC Gym in Japan. I mentioned catch-as-catch-can and he knew exactly what I was talking about. The spirit lives on.
Sorry to see you missed out on Orlando Americo da Silva and Rufino dos Santos who lead to Euclydes „Tatu“ Hatem and the art of Luta Livre which also has a big influence/lineage in MMA. Greetings from germany 👋
Nice documentary. Well done all around. I hate to mention the history of unarmed combat techniques developed by every military since the beginning of recorded history, but I guess I just did.
Catch wrestling is the reason why I will never call pro wrestling fake because at one point in time it was very real and you still get shades of it in certain matches or promotions
Fun fact: MMA actually has its routes in the Greek Olympics and was added in 648 B.C called Pankration. It was going to be added back in the modern Olympiad in 1896 but was deemed to violent
This is one of your very best videos so far. It's unbelievable to me that this isn't recognised more here in England as a incredible contribution to martial arts and pro wrestling. We're far too focused on boxing, though that was where the big money was, and still is. Great cameo from Dutch Mantell too. Shooters by Johnathan Snowden is a great book that covers a lot of this video's subjects in detail.
@@trollking99MLB is a name for professional baseball so no, you are wrong as is the narrator (who takes a lot of liberties and guesses). The OP was right, there was professional baseball after civil war and semi pro before it.
@@trollking99 The MLB formed in 1903. The National League and American League, which joined to create it, were both professional leagues already at that point. The oldest of them started in 1876. However, pro baseball predates even that, with the first professional baseball team forming in 1869. They played against amateur teams until other pro teams and eventually a league formed.
BRING BACK CACC !!! especially the submissions that are unique and not learned in BJJ. No one will know how to defend them and the fighter will be a champ
Tom has more aura then pretty much every fighter on the roster the only people who rival him are Alex and Jon the only heavyweight who did was Sergei before he got slept by him.
There was also a lot of catch wrestling that went from America into Brazil. Judo was also heavily influenced by catch wrestling. The Gracies just learned how to use the gi as a weapon, cheat, create favorable conditions, and market
thank you for recognizing the importance of Catch wrestling
Who cares
@@ZeldawrldI do.
@Zeldawrld you're about as original as your username
@@anakinpranger8738 blud is trying too hard to be cool.
@@ZeldawrldI do too
Thank you for sharing. Growing up in Peru with my cousins, my grandma would tell us to “ stop with the kachascan”. We knew she meant rough housing but never knew the history behind the reference.
Keep it up boys!
That's interesting where was she from
@@tobyway5093 she’s born and raised in Peru in the Amazon.
Wow!!! That’s incredible.
Bro! Same here!! I’m from Peru as well ❤
@@JEG69 thats because a lucha libre was brought by railroad workers from england and the original name known for lucha libre in several south american countries was cachascan
Imagine if we didnt keep forgetting what we already knew.
Need to stop remembering new stuff for that to work lol I realised ages ago I'm holding myself back by trying to remember every single thing I've learned . Keeping my limited internal memory card clogged up 😂
@@christophergallagher3845 We may need to get an extra stick of RAM. 😆
I often wonder how advanced the technique was in antiquity, where presumably fighting/wrestling techniques developed for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
@@davidmorris1716 same here. We saw how much MMA has refined over just a few decades.
Just imagine if it had 1000 consecutive years to mature like many systems in antiquity.
Great video, Catch is absolutely under appreciated. One minor issue: its seems to be made out that Sakuraba started Catch when he was 15. He was a freestyle wrestler until college and didn’t actually start training in catch / pro wrestling until after college I believe.
Yep yep
For helpful cross-referencing, check out Sonny Brown's two-parter on Sakuraba where he talks a bit about his collegiate experience
Correct.
Billy Robinson always gave credit to Sakuraba’s freestyle wrestling coach, Shozo Sassahara - Olympic Gold Medalist.
Sakuraba was Billy first Japanese student that he did not have to teach from scratch.
I've never heard anyone say a single time that Saku invented catch. Where were you hearing that?
And. Now as I'm deeper into the doc, I see what you're talking about lol
Being a huge MMA and WWE fan it’s so cool to always see the history of the sport and how guys who were bored after work and wanted something to do turned into two of the biggest sports in the world
I think it was Josh Barnett that said catch wrestling is BJJ on steroids. He knows a lot about steroids, so I'll defer to his expertise. All joking aside, it's always cool to learn more about catch as catch can, and this video breaks the history down really nicely.
BJJ is BJJ on steroids lol. They're all on steroids.
@@unmessable12 😂
@unmessable12 Gordon Ryan's streched out Extra Medium shirts deserve our highest praise.
@@unmessable12it’s only açai brother
@@unmessable12 the irony of a martial arts built upon the mantra of 'size doesn't matter' where now ever practicioner is trying to get as jacked as possible.
catch wrestling was an integral part of my early training. my dad had a bunch of old film and tapes we used to go over when i was a child. i still tell people my grappling style is a catch based bjj
I knew that Tom Aspinall had been grappling since he was a child but I didn't know he came from one of the most royal grappling lineages out there.
I don’t think Tom is a Catch Wrestler. It died off. It was only resurrected in England when Robinson came back in the early 2000s.
@@theemperorcharlemagne he's not really a catch wrestler, high level grappling especially for MMA has become so muddied it's kind of pointless to try and split hairs like that imo but he's part of the catch wrestling lineage.
@@unmessable12which Catch Wrestler did he learn from?
Toms from wigan where the snake pit is located home of catch as catch can and aspull olympic wrestling club he's obviously trained there over the years his dad even says tom did jujitsu with him and the wrestling club was just up the road
@@creegyschannel8414 the snake pit was resurrected probably after 2010. Calling Tom a Catch Wrestler does not add up.
Has he trained under a Catch Wrestler, if so who?
Billy Robinson sure was 1 specimen of a man. What an absolute warrior!
Sakuraba was trained by him. The training allowed him to beat the Gracie’s.
@@grimgoreironhide9985 Kyoshi Tamura was trained by Robinson as well. He beat Renzo Gracie with his CaCC.
A catch legend....unfortunately a bit of a bully to the Iron Shiek.
@@Magneticlaw for those wondering the story and correct me if I am wrong.
Billy ran a Pro Wrestling camp with Verne Gagne and legends like the Sheik and Ric Flair attended as students.
Throughout the camp the Sheik was talking shit about everyone. Eventually word got to Billy. Billy challenged the Sheik to a freestyle and folkstyle gut wrench drill, and Billy couldn’t turn him over.
Billy then lost his temper and gave him the ole Lancashire surprise in the form of a knee to the thigh.
This injured the Sheik for about a month. The Sheik then went on to call him Billy “No Coach” as a nickname.
I love Billy, I think he was a great guy. But this certainly wasn’t a good look.
@@theemperorcharlemagneam not sure about the year but that was in the early 70s. Flair said he never wanted to piss of any of the old shooters because he knew they were legit. He said Verne trained the lving daylights out of them. Billy was there cos he was essentially a veteran like Verne and Verne trusted a hardass like him to run a training camp the way it was run by Billy Riley back in the Snake Pit of Wigan. Billy and Verne taught the trainees catch. Unlike Stu Hart, Billy didn't have to go too far to make somebody say uncle. Needless to say the Sheik was the young idiot who thought he could take an older man who wasn't going to let a free challenge go to waste 😅
All of my mma enthusiasts never mention the importance of catch wrestling. It was vital to the rapid evolution of MMA and I am thankful I was able to see the beauty of the art by being a huge Josh Barnett fan (I was able to catch him in his Baby Faced Assassin days) and Erik Paulson's catch wrestling gym is literally down the street from where I live. Love the channel chaps!
It's a Gen Z weenie era now and they're trying to take credit for everything nowadays when MMA in truth has to thank all martial arts for its existence.
Josh lost to jujitsu.
By FAR the best MMA on Pont doc i have ever seen
This was absolutely excellent. 10/10. I learned so much that i didn't know. And being a northerner, lots of this hit home... thanks again for the awesome content
Shoutout English Martial Arts. He hasn’t posted in a while but this was his whole thing
No one cares rider
He's put out some great stuff
@@ZeldawrldI feel sorry for you bro
Weak men try to tear others down
You're weak af@@Zeldawrld
@@Zeldawrldhuh? What are you talking about
I trained CSW under Andrew Heatwole in Virginia who trained under Erik Paulson. It’s so cool seeing it get the recognition it deserves.
What part of virginia?
@@DanielWilliams-lx7fg Fredericksburg, Valhalla Martial Arts
This is literally the best catch documentary I have seen lol
Og
@@chingrimungrei 🙏🏿
It sucks. He's trying to erase the real history and suck up to MMA which is mostly BJJ and Muay Thai with some wrestling and boxing/kickboxing. MMA owes its existence to all martial arts and names like Bruce Lee and Gene Lebell and many others.
Jason, you're a puke, and you should shut this channel down if you're going to be twisting the truth on the history of catch as catch can sucking up to BJJ. Ken Shamrock wasn't the best representative of catch either. He was overrated and showed it as soon as everyone started mixing styles.
Id recommend you widen your horizons then brother
@@filipeventura2729 😂
Because of Good Ol JR, I learned of Catch As Catch Can Wrestling. 😆 Stoked for a full form MMA On Point video. These always rule.
Until this video, I thought he was saying Texas Catch Can lol
Been in love with Catch as Catch Can for almost 15 years now. Beautiful part of British and Irish history that goes back thousands of years. We need Catch to be officially recognised in the UK and Ireland as part of our heritage with the heritage fund or what have you. Get some more schools for it built up.
I've known a few Catch wrestlers in my time, and I can say one thing, if they get you in a legit hold, you're done. Modern MMA owes a hell of a lot to catch wrestling, and pro wrestling in general, in how it's represented and how Catch has played a major role in most major styles today.
Abe Lincoln was a pro catch wrestler! Only lost once!
It was ruled a no contest. Pistols aren’t allowed in catch wrestling matches unfortunately.
True, but it was not yet called CaCC in those days.
He’s in the wrestling hall of fame, around 300 wins. Didn’t know he lost one
@@iamthetruewalrus3947 🤣🤣🤣
To Boothe. 😂
The Gracie’s true art form was marketing
lets not undersell how effective BBJ was, and is...
@@JonaFarOut Your mom's BBJ, especially with her No-Gag technique, is among the best in the biz
That's some mistake to make. 🤣
The Gracie's marketing was ridiculous, yes. And I think thats what really drives people to dislike them -aside from simple jealousy, but Aspinall is a BJJ black belt as is Eric Paulson. And Curran Jacobs (CACC WORLD CHAMPION) was not and he got smoked by a BJJ guy who was relatively unknown. None of the successful BJJ athletes cross train in CACC - _because they dont have to_
I like Catch, I respect Catch, but the delusional sense of superiority the online fanbois promote is just absurd, especially since CACC athletes arent out there winning in the major MMA or sub grappling promotions.
my man have you heard about a place called USA? basically the same thing
great documentary! love how it all ties together in the end - here’s to hoping aspinall is the real champ after 304👍
There is the 6 ft, 7 in. Russian i am waiting for Aspinall to fight.
@@WLBarton4466 volkov? aspinall subbed him in the first round :)
@@spacekookmusic I've been going over my view history.
Was Volkov undefeated before Aspinall beat him?
I hoped to watch that fight, so I'm hoping it's another Ruskie.
@@WLBarton4466 nah he was actually 34-9 when he fought aspinall, but he is on a 4 fight win streak since that loss and has since become “swolekov”
@@spacekookmusic he became swolekov during the Overeem fight and when he got that sick back tattoo. Tom submitted him after that. The only competition truly left for Tom is Jones and possibly Gane or Anatoly Malykhin
This is a great video, but one blaring error, Maeda was not Kimura's teacher, Tatsukuma Ushijima was his teacher. Tatsukuma Ushijima was super interesting, he travelled to Beijing and beat a Chinese wrestling champions and even tried to kill Tojo during WW2. I have a video about it on my channel.
Wasnt Helio Kimura’s teacher? Right after he invented leverage
@@ChinaAikikaibruh the gracies were taught by the Japanese not the other way around.
@only1shinobi pretty sure that was a joke bruh
Hello guys, have you heard of Dan Kolov? He was a Bulgarian wrestling legend known for his achievements in "catch as catch can" wrestling. Born in 1892, he became the first European to win the World Heavyweight Championship in this style. Kolov defeated notable opponents such as Ed "Strangler" Lewis, Rudy Dusek, and Joe Stecher. His career was marked by numerous victories, including multiple European and World Championships. Kolov's strength and skill on the mat earned him international fame, making him one of the most celebrated wrestlers of his time.
Yah very interesting ill have to look into him. I recently learned about Bareknuckle in the 1800s too.... as it turns out prize fighting has a much deeper evolution than fans really have assumed since the UFCs inception.
Judo Gene Le Bell was a student of Karl Gotch. Karl, according to Gene, taught him the double wrist lock. Gene also added that Karl could beat everyone with the double wrist lock. Karl was from the Snake Pit gym.
One of the best videos you guys have done. Great work man
Absolutely fantastic video.
By the by, Wigan was also at the heart of the development of Northern Soul dancing.
As a huge fan of British Pro Wrestling, they have the greatest fans in the whole world, it warms my heart to see the influence that Catch wrestling has had on the world of MMA. This is a lovely video. Thanks for making it.
And here we are slap fighting
Like the unofficial bastard child of MMA and Pro Wrestling.
Beige frequency showed that it's Dana intentionally covering up his wife hitting
haha FR so fucking dystopian. Imagine you are in the USA, you have no money and your kid needs surgery - i guess we go getting some brain damage. That is truly on the level of gladiator games in ancient Rome. MMA (ufc) is a sport - but you cannot train your chin, in slap fighting wins who goes first.
At least it's not as bad as butt scooting
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848
I think all bastard children are unofficial. 😄
I waited 19 minutes for Billy Robinson to be mentioned. Was my Grandmothers cousin and I heard some fantastic stories. Always nice to send these links for her to watch about billy.
Modern BJJ is so heavily influenced by Catch Wrestling, it can hardly even be called BJJ at this point, hence why everyone says submission grappling, but no credit given to Catch Wrestling is so unfair
My gym does Gi one week and “no gi” the next.
I call our no-gi week, Catch Wrestling week and the BJJ cultists at my gym get so mad 😂
@@theemperorcharlemagne I can imagine
That’s completely ridiculous to say and not even true. The majority of submissions and techniques were invented in Japan. The only thing you can really say is that catch influenced leg locks.
@@theemperorcharlemagneExcept almost all the submissions are actually from jujitsu and not catch. Jujitsu and judo used to be one martial art and if you actually looked at the history of judo you would see that these submissions did not come from catch.
@@HaroldBluetooth-uz1zz Except you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Majority of submissions in jujutsu and judo were borrowed from Catch Wrestling
Love this kind of content that goes into the history. Reminds me a bit of @NapoleonBlownapartMMA and his content. Minus all the sarcasm.
Catch Wrestling also went on to inspire Luta Livre. Luta Livre also has a win state of submissions(and maybe pins?) . I have never seen a video or an article that properly explores the connections between the two sports which I think would be fun to watch/read. There have been a small number of Luta Livre wrestlers in MMA and the UFC and the sports isn't as popular as it once was just like Catch Wrestling.
Yea Ruas had very Judo and Catch based submissionn
Yeah, it seems like most of the videos about Luta Livre tend to be more about its rivalry with BJJ, and less about its actual roots.
Luta Livre is the Brazilian name for Catch Wrestling. There’s lots of videos and articles on this history.
@@pax_mundi_8983 Catch Wrestling didn't inspire Luta Livre. Brazilian catch wrestler Euclydes Hatem, who choked out George Gracie, had created Luta Livre. Sambo has direct roots in catch wrestling as well
Some MMA greats even more recent ones that you might not expect such as Jose Aldo have some Luta Livre lineage.
Catch As Catch Can & Judo are my favorite grappling styles.
CatchWrestling is one of the best self-defense martial arts
Judo 💯
I take judo currently, but I would have loved to do catch wrestling and still would love to do it in the future if I ever gotten the chance too.
Fantastic. I am enough of an MMA fan to have heard of Catch Wrestling but not enough to know much about it or the men involved. This was a real treat.
Out of all your videos, this was the most entertaining and informative for me. Well done gents.
Amazing video, thanks for doing this. The roots and history of MMA needs to be better explored.
This is by far my favorite video you've ever done. Formally I have never trained Catch but I have had the pleasure of rolling with some that have a lineage and I learned alot. Catch, BJJ or Sambo they are expressions of the same thing. Good job on this deep dive!
this video is UK centric but Catch Wrestling was also done in France and Belgium. They even introduced the art to countries like Mexico
Had a bit about how weavers came over to Lancaster from there's areas but had to cut it due to how long this video was!
@Bayliun awww that makes sense. thanks for reaching out. have a good one
@@taqueroman91 🙏
Billy Robinson once said that the best Catch Wrestlers of all time were french.
Vive les chatcheur français!
Amazing job on putting all this together! It's a treasure trove of information about the subject, it's roots and the various off-shoots (no pun intended). Brilliantly done!! Thank you!!
I love when you cover history of MMA and fighting and this very very well done, but I have one correction, you said that Lou Thesz trained Ed Strangler Lewis which just isn't true as Lewis was the one who trained Thesz and not the other way around.
I do love that you mention Lou's significance as he was very important for MMA, might not be as instrumental as Gotch aand Robinson but he was the third guy there in UWF and those shoot wrestling promotions, training many guys that would go on to fight in Pancrase and Shooto cuz he was actually skilled as a wrestler.
I noticed that too as well as a few other mistakes in this documentary. Still good tho.
Really wish Catch gets more recognition and praise as it deserves. Shame there aren't more gyms around. Really well made documentary hopefully it can help spread the word 👍
Love the history of catch wrestling. In Southern New Jersey there is a gym called Snake Pit U.S.A. that's keeping Catch alive. Definitely check out them and their YT channel if you can.
Snake Pit USA, Snake Pit Japan, Snake Pit Wigan, CSW and the Scientific Wrestling community are all to be given credit.
Shout out Jake Shannon!
Don't forget us in Halifax, West Yorkshire. Snakepitusa UK HQ!!
Wow, this is a brilliant documentary. Probably your best work in this channel.
Absolutely amazing video, however a huge part missing from this story is US Folkstyle/ Collegiate Wrestling
Perhaps a part 2?
The Gracies supposedly learned the "Americana" [Top Wrist Lock] & named it that after learning it from an American Catch/Folkstyle Wrestler
& the reason why US Folkstyle Wrestking is different than the international Freestyle is largely because of the influence of Catch
What a great Documentary, very well put together, the history, from point A to the end back where it all started with current UFC Heavyweight champion.
One of the best videos I've ever seen from this channel
This is so great. I've talked about this with people for years, but now I have a video I can point them to. Great work! You probably won't win an award, but you deserve one.
Loved this. So interesting. Keep it up guys! Best MMA Channel and has been for years.
Mama I made it to an MMA On Point video!! (It was me talking about how cool someone else is… but still)
Your content is so good dude! We love it here. 👊
@@MMAOnPointlikewise!!!
Oh, hey Sensei Seth
this is peak fighting content! thank you MMA On Point.
best doco ive ever seen ... chills throughout
Awesome show!!! So well done! Thank you. What a time to be alive: to have access to people putting in the work to create content like this that we can learn with for free. Thanks again!
As someone who's from Liverpool and only about 20 or 30 miles from the snake pit I had no idea about any of this history infact I've never even heard about any of it!
Truly fascinating thanks for making such a great video.
Best MMAOP video in a long while👏 well done
Always fun to see the murder grandpa himself (Suzuki) getting a shout-out in a video outside of a pro wrestling video!
Bisping needs to see this video!
In the past, I’ve read a bunch about catch wrestling and its practitioners, but this videos pulled so much together for me.
Another excellent video!
One of the best videos you guys have ever put out ❤
This was an amazing video, that really sheds light on an important aspect of MMA history. But the sheer number of adds made it hard to enjoy.
Love the video. With so much of the origins of wrestling being in the UK it’s crazy to me that the country absolutely sucks at it now, both in MMA and Olympics 😢
Same with soccer
Origins of wrestling? Wrestling goes back to the Egyptian an Babylonians. It didn't originate in England. The Japanese were doing jiujitsu way before and full of countries have millennia old national wrestling styles. Even this fanboi video doesn't claim this. You probably mean CACC.
It shouldn't be that crazy we don't do it in school or outside, it is as simple as that, no-one does it. Why we don't do it is the question. I think its crazy we dont
Shame we lost wrestling . We’re not bad at mma rn
@@vlada Wrestling traditions developed independently in many parts of the world. The Japanese were not grappling before Europeans. In both cases the history of wrestling goes back before recorded history.
I had the good fortune of taking no GI grappling classes under Neil Melansen, back at Couture’s gym, and that guy was awesome. The grappling he taught was so straight forward and effective, and BRUTAL in its application of pressure.
alright, Bayliun giving martial arts history lessons might be my new favorite thing
Thanks for this 🙏🏼 and living about 5 miles from Wigan it was especially interesting
I think Paulson would have beaten Royce tbh. Dude was an actual Mixed Martial artist already when UFC was still style vs style.
They also prevented Gokor from competing.
@@theemperorcharlemagnethats sus
@@dboygamer8184 the Gracies were around Catch Wrestlers for a century. They knew their style was inferior. Tamura and Sakuraba proved that in Japan.
I love these deep dive documentaries you guys do. Incredible work.
Let's not forget that all 1st generation Gracie brothers (Helio, Carlos, George) learned Catch wrestling under the renowned Orlando Americo "Dudú" da Silva. He was coaching them privately every week.
And therein lies the point. Catch has mostly been superceded by BJJ and modern submission grappling.
I remember in the early days of pride and UFC, you would hear about catch wresting all the time. Nowadays, I don't think I've heard it mentioned in years.
It's really interesting to examine it today as compared to modern BJJ when you see Josh rolling with Craig Jones and such. You can tell that Catch came from a much rougher place and mentality in how it emphasizes strength, its best defense is offense attitude, etc. Modern BJJ resembles a slicker more technical version of catch than it does traditional BJJ at this point.
Y’all should do a video about how to do journalism, and how to research all this stuff. Phenomenal, eye opening video, makes me love MMA even more
Finally some recognition for catch
This is probably the best video you guys have ever produced!!
So let me get this straight. An English Martial Art is brought to South America by a self-proclaimed Japanese Count, who then proceeds to teach it to an immigrant Scottish family.
… and we call this art form Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Got it .
You a Npc
@@Zeldawrld and i bet you think you're the main character, and that makes you way more pathetic... 😂
@@Zeldawrld You a bot
I hope, otherwise you're just mentally challenged.
You look crazy bro 🤣
Out off the info on this dope video, that’s what you got?
This is a great watch, thank you for creating. My family are from Wigan and my uncle and a cousin were miners, so can relate.
Wrestling History is so underrated!
First the Super Hulk tournament video, and now this one you guys are doing outstanding work. Much respect!
Normally I use the comment section to troll and joke around but this was incredible. You really did a fantastic job and gave all the precursors to what we watch today a ton of love and credit. Awesome job, MMA On Point!
This is an OUTSTANDING documentary on the history of submission grappling. Probably the best doc around covering the CACC subject.
Catch is the goat 🐐 only second to Folkstyle wrestling which has produced more champions then all else styles in the UFC.
Folkstyle wrestling comes from catch wrestling
Lol
Folkstyle is only done in high school/collegiate competitions. All international/Olympic competitions are freestyle.
brilliant video! Really loved this. Thank you
Great video mate. Always love the content
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Thank you, guys! Exploring vast depths of european martial arts has been my hobby for well over past decade, and I love to see more brought to broader light.
I recently sparred with a pro-wrestler in a BJJ class at an UFC Gym in Japan.
I mentioned catch-as-catch-can and he knew exactly what I was talking about.
The spirit lives on.
Sorry to see you missed out on Orlando Americo da Silva and Rufino dos Santos who lead to Euclydes „Tatu“ Hatem and the art of Luta Livre which also has a big influence/lineage in MMA.
Greetings from germany 👋
There's a lot of frustrating things about this channel.
BUT
Quality content like this keeps me coming back.
What's so frustrating about this channel?
Nice documentary. Well done all around. I hate to mention the history of unarmed combat techniques developed by every military since the beginning of recorded history, but I guess I just did.
Catch wrestling is the reason why I will never call pro wrestling fake because at one point in time it was very real and you still get shades of it in certain matches or promotions
Predetermined outcome
@@Matt-jc2ml yea but the performance and pain aspect is so respectable that I can honestly look past that
Plus a lot of wrestlers were amateur wrestlers or boxers who brought legitimacy to it in addition to being tough as hell.
Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it
Videos like this are why i love your channel
This was very interesting! Thank you very much!
Fun fact: MMA actually has its routes in the Greek Olympics and was added in 648 B.C called Pankration. It was going to be added back in the modern Olympiad in 1896 but was deemed to violent
Yeah I’m thinking catch wrestling had its origin then, it’s claimed they would have the match until death in some cases
Great watch thanks, didn’t know anything about all this & ive been watching mma & boxing for years
This is one of your very best videos so far. It's unbelievable to me that this isn't recognised more here in England as a incredible contribution to martial arts and pro wrestling. We're far too focused on boxing, though that was where the big money was, and still is. Great cameo from Dutch Mantell too. Shooters by Johnathan Snowden is a great book that covers a lot of this video's subjects in detail.
This is seriously the BEST Documentary on Catch Wrestling ever!!!! I was waiting for the Catch influence on Luta LIvre, BBJ's rival for years
Catch is the daddy of all mma and wrestling.
*Pankration
@@HoniTheCircleMaker13 +1
Truly a magnificent documentary!!! Learned so many things!! Thank you very much!
I thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you for brining us this history
"There was no baseball"? What? There absolutely WAS baseball back then. Pro baseball even.
I think he meant no MLB, or no baseball in the UK LOL
The whole world isn't America
@@trollking99MLB is a name for professional baseball so no, you are wrong as is the narrator (who takes a lot of liberties and guesses). The OP was right, there was professional baseball after civil war and semi pro before it.
@@Shadow1986 he didn't say there was no baseball in the UK. He said no baseball, period. Hell, is there professional baseball in the UK now?
@@trollking99 The MLB formed in 1903. The National League and American League, which joined to create it, were both professional leagues already at that point. The oldest of them started in 1876. However, pro baseball predates even that, with the first professional baseball team forming in 1869. They played against amateur teams until other pro teams and eventually a league formed.
Your channel lives up to its name with this. ON POINT. What a video.
BRING BACK CACC !!!
especially the submissions that are unique and not learned in BJJ. No one will know how to defend them and the fighter will be a champ
Amazing documentary, thank you MMA always On Point!
Tom aspinall now has more aura then dagestani fighters
Unfortunately Tom isn’t a Catch Wrestler
Tom has more aura then pretty much every fighter on the roster the only people who rival him are Alex and Jon the only heavyweight who did was Sergei before he got slept by him.
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 Tom is loved by english people and that’s about it. To everyone else, he’s just another fighter. A new guy, if you will.
@@theemperorcharlemagnefacts
There was also a lot of catch wrestling that went from America into Brazil. Judo was also heavily influenced by catch wrestling. The Gracies just learned how to use the gi as a weapon, cheat, create favorable conditions, and market