@@newmobile1455 Its not speeding in that zone because it is not legaly a school zone. The only criminals here are the city that refuses to take down the cameras or move them to the appropriate location. But you keep trolling. Im sure its one of the few things you do that brings joy to your pitiful life.
@@newmobile1455 I don't even live there and I know those cameras are 100% illegal......And I will tell you this. I've NEVER had a ticket in all of my years of driving. . I got my DL at the age of 18 and I'm now 41, so your statement is FALSE
@@newmobile1455 I am not a law breaker, and I faithfully follow speed limits including how OCGA grants you up to 10 MPH per OCGA 40-14-8, only GSP is exempt from having to follow this law. However, the law also states that a "School Zone, is no more than 1000 Feet" And if you give me a ticket for something that breaks the law itself, who is the real law breaker at this point? These Cameras are already under investigation in numerous counties for issuing citations for school zone violations OUTSIDE of school hours posted. stay in your lane buddy, I'm 42 and got my DL at 16 and I have YET to get a single citation for ANY reason, including speeding.
Unfortunately, it's yet another situation where it's the government vs. the citizens. Our founding fathers saw it that the citizens ARE the government in that the government shall not oppress the citizens.
@@LuciferMorningstar-pn3ex From the PARKING LOT of the school, lol. The law says BOUNDARY. That means the property line. Does the school own those woods? Do students walk to school that way? Don't be a stooge that always believes whatever story they feed you without critical thinking. Don't be an Npc.
the point made in the video was those cams were installed at locations set out by the city. The company was just doing what they were hired to do. Liability goes back to the city here.
@@rupe53 At this point it really shouldn't even matter but the video also pointed out that the only reason why the spot was no longer a school zone was because of a law change after the school zone sign was put up. In my opinion, if a speed sign is posted, you follow it. They even let you go 10mph above speed limit.... is it really that hard to follow speed signs? If anything the city should just change the law back to 2000 ft.
@@Holyshiszle I don't have a problem with following that logic, but the town / city does need to maintain some consistency, so enforcement doesn't become an issue. BTW, we have a similar situation in my town, but the enforcement is not automated so fewer problems.
@@rupe53 Yes, the City is also liable, but a contractor is required to know the law and should've said "where is the school?" Plus the contractor was making a substantial profit from running the cameras and issuing the tickets.
@@socalpaul487 someone else pointed out that the local rules changed after the fact. You expect the subcontractor to keep track of that too? I feel the city should have notified them that it needs to be relocated.
Several years ago I was driving down a road doing the speed limit in Altadena Ca. 45mph when children are NOT present, 25mph when children are present. This was about 5pm and there was a cop in the middle of the street directing everyone, everyone to the side. Thought maybe there was an accident. While in this long line of vehicles one of the cops walks up to me and asks for license and registration. Asked what’s going on and he said I was speeding in a school zone. When I told him it’s long after school was out, he just said tell it to the judge. When I was in the area again the next day I stopped at the school to check the hours, 7:30-3:30 were there hours. Got a card from the counter person and weeks later took it to court with me. Turned out the whole court room was full of people that got tickets that day and has been all day long. My turn before the judge to make my case with the card, pictures and time written on ticket. Judge said he doesn’t look at evidence in traffic court. My word against the cops. When I said that seems like a scam he threatened me with contempt. When I told him I’d like traffic school to get the ticket off my record he told me when I chose to fight the ticket I gave up my rights to traffic school. The whole court room was full of people going crazy at this total scam. Never forget that BS.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. It was initially proposed to keep children safe, but this is a cash tool by local governments. Having a Police patrol car present during arrival & departure is sufficient.
Try Rhode Island. They have these things all over every school zone, way out on streets away from the school itself. You basically have to drive 20mph through all the cities!
This was just another venture backed by a business for profit, backed by Administrative authority while holding out front "_the safety of children_" . These safety programs and traffic initiatives equivocate performance of a contractual consideration by which these companies receive a percentage of revenue collected in exchange for providing all of the footage, data and information harvested by these equipment installations. These LLCs often are registered out of state, some even using the name of the participating county sheriff's office or municipal police department as an LLC, such as, "Oglethorpe County (GA) Sheriff's Office, LLC, PO Box xxx, _Chattanooga, Tennessee_ ". The strategic employment of these cameras _beyond_ the bounds and restrictions of the "School Zones" include placing the surveillance and ticketing devices outside the posted traffic zones and off-hours operation, besides the obvious community trust and potential "color of law" implications.
Try to find a lawyer to take that case and if you do then find a judge that would hear it. It most definitely is fraud however the fraudulent party is the one making the rules.
@@leepierce8778 Yeah but the fines are under the authority of the jurisdiction. Government can hire out some of it's responsibility and authority. how much and when varies. For example many state prisons are wholly owned private businesses. With occupancy guarantees as their paid by the inmate.
This sent a shiver through my spine. It’s shocking how bold this government entity has become. I am definitely going to be reading bylaws in my county. 😢
@@mlong9475 Yep. The only way to fix things like this is to get the courts to force the change, the legislatures to force it (in both cases there can be conflicts of interest, you may have to go up a tier or two) or to make it more expensive (hard to do, retaliation does happen). or to bring lots of attention to it (this news report).
That's why the make paying them with no points so easy. Basically it's either take off work and spend the time and expense of fighting the ticket, or pay the new "tax". Look for more and more of this as every state, city, and county looks for more money.
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative We outlawed red light and speed cameras in Texas. They can’t station a machine in some random spot to do a cop’s job here.
We have a similar situation around Chattanooga where it’s not uncommon to have a school zone with no school anywhere in sight. Fortunately word has gotten out that the automated camera tickets are not valid in Tennessee so people are starting to disregard the tickets when they come in the mail.
Several years back I received a radar ticket from the Beaverton, OR police for 35 in a 25 (no school zone). One savvy motorist found that the radar van was set up one block outside the Beaverton city limits. Their limit was on the west side of Target and the van was on the east side of Target. Received a surprise letter in the mail with a check from the City of Beaverton and a Xeroxed letter of apology from the mayor. All citations for that day were refunded AND DMV ordered to remove the violation from all records of those cited. So proud of it I hung it in my cubicle at work for a time with a small sign above it saying "score one for the common people".
It’s time America. We can no longer accept the corrupt behavior of city and school government officials. We should not be held financially responsible for the corrupt government behavior.
@@teamofone1219 Since the school is an organization that is committing Fraud to Extort the public for profit... they can & should be charged under federal statutes for Racketeering.
Mariusfacktor3597: Easy there, Karen, the cameras are well outside the school zone. No one is being endangered, just extorted by a corrupt and greedy local government.
So, the camera company gets money, AND the local government gets money. Someone needs to be sued for millions for this criminal activity. Class action lawsuit that pays every penny back plus time off work, gas, pain and suffering. Millions of dollars lossed will show the corrupt that they're not above the law.
@@newmobile1455 You may be missing the point. The cameras are attempting to reinforce a false speed limit that is nowhere near a school, so in actuality, nobody is speeding.
@@newmobile1455LOL at the 🥾licker cleaning the 💩 from the soles of the jack🥾 🤡s. You keep backing the blue thugs till they do it to you, then you will cry.
I was mailed a traffic ticket from a place I had never been. Hoffman Estates, which is near Chicago, sent it in the mail. It was a ticket for a rental car I had returned a week before the ticket was issued. I was in Chicago on business the week before that. The rental company even charged me an administrative fee for getting the ticket. It took 2 months of mail, emails, and phone calls before all was fixed. And it was only a $100 ticket for not coming to a complete stop before turning on red. A victimless crime. Its all for revenue.
Well you didn't get shot or go to jail or get accused of stealing that car, so not Hertz I take it. Seriously it seems they are in the news every few days for claiming a rental was stolen that wasn't. They even rented an ev, that got returned with a full battery, and got charged hundreds for hertz refilling the gas tank. Quite a few gallons of gas.
@@godbluffvdggThere are lawyers out there who think they have too much money and do a lot of charity work. They might become interested in this if they find out.
“It’s easier to just pay up”. Well if that doesn’t sound like somebody with money I don’t know what does. This is unjust and it shows once again, the government doesn’t care about you.
I've beaten these unlawful camera tickets where I live in Cleveland, Ohio. I'm excited to see people do their own research by studying what the law says and using their own codes and statutes against them. It's to bad most people are believed they can't seek a remedy in court or thinks they have to hire an attorney. I was also happy to see the judge rule based on the facts and the law. Mad respect for that judge, I'm proud of him, because there are judges that don't want pro se litigants winning in court. They view us as being stupid or anti govt. Sick of hearing that argument when people served and died for this country to allow us citizens to challenge the people they swore to protect us. I'm disappointed with the city saying they don't care what the statute says and their going to continue to do this. Which means the powers at be that swore to protect our rights will choose greed in order to gain revenue for their political subdivision (city to the ones that don't know law). I hope people go to their city council during an open forum meeting to address this, but they'll sham you mostly, but hopefully someone is smart enough to hold them personal responsible. Hint hints their oath of office
This would stop pretty fast if they made the camera operators appear for the court cases. They're the accuser, and you have the right to have your accuser.
They currently play this game where nominally an officer reviews the picture and reading (ie glances at the printout) and signs off it and is therefore the accuser. Ask to face your accuser in court and an officer sits down and says yep it was that car in the video and the radar readout said that speed. **bang** "guilty! pay up sucker".
There is no camera operator its an AI. You have a 6th amendment right to face your accuser. Which in this case is a non human entity. Those cameras are unconstitutional. We cant have them in Michigan. Supreme court said no.
@@Naldo_S1K do you not realize that taxes come out of other places, than, just your paycheck, when you go grocery shopping, its taxed, when you pay bills, its taxed, when you wanna buy a car, its taxed, so yes, 40%, you dont need to make 7 figures for them to take as much as they can, in any way they can…
@@KingRat71 bro go to the grocery store, go buy a car, go buy a house, off your income, and see how much of it you net, vs how much you spend, and youll see it…
That's a half million dollars conservative math. Of COURSE they aren't taking those cameras down until forced. And won't refund a penny until they lose a civil verdict. Y'all here talking about right and wrong like it's a morality issue.
There was a traffic cam right by where I lived in south Phoenix, they stopped fixing it after the tenth time. Funny how it mysteriously stopped working about a day after it was fixed each time, then they stopped fixing it.
I got a ticket a few years ago in CA for doing 35 (the posted limit on that street outside of school hours) on a weekend, during the summer, at around 11pm. The judge upheld it saying the sign said "When children are present" which means children can be present any time day or night as that is their safe space. I took it to the next city council meeting and demanded they change the speed limit on the street to 25mph if that was the case and they refused saying it was the drivers responsibility to decide if they needed to slow down outside of school hours.
I got pulled over by a cop doing 40 in a posted 40 through a school zone that said only when students are present. The cop said I was speeding through a school zone. I told him it was Saturday and the school zone sign said only when children are present. He was rubbed the wrong way but had to let me go.
That judge is just excusing his salary there. If there were no children around the sign didn't apply. A qualifier of that sort is only useful if not always true. That screams for appeal. usually a traffic court appeal is few bucks for a do-over at the county level.
11PM? Wouldn't there have been a curfew for kids at that time? I don't know why people support pigs the way they do. I wonder how safe they feel when they see the red lights in their mirror. Trump supporting the bastards as he does is absolutely sickening.
So legally it is this, if it is a city law, you have to pay, as the judge is correct, as children may be present. However, if this is something that affects a code of law with the DMV, as in their publications it specifically has the code of law, and the definition, to which that usually would stipulate during school hours. If that is the case, you can appeal on those grounds, and the case would be dismissed.
I watched a video about the Fulton County Water Board (could have been FOX 5's own) charging a home more than $30,000 for their water bill. The problem? The home has no water lines! Even despite a Water Board employee saying it was wrong to charge the owner, the Board still insists the bill is valid. Imagine that! Unfortunately, I can't say I am surprised one bit about those illegal cameras.
One point not mentioned is the tickets have a Police Officer signature..The two I got did..😮 How is that if no police officer was present..I just rode through a school zone at 7:58pm, why is the school light flashing.. 🤔 August 1st, 2024..
No officer writing that ticket/signature means it's not valid... it's not protecting kids. This is policing for profit. Gotta build up that $$$ for those inevitable lawsuit that police seem to have.
In the early days this got a few tickets tossed. The officer couldn't say they saw anything themselves. Later they decided the signature meant the officer witnessed the contents of the photo as valid and this was considered good enough in most jurisdictions. Those that had laws that required witnessing the actual violation in person (or wording the courts wouldn't accept meant seeing a photo counted) Took longer to update their statutes. There are still a few jurisdictions where you have a way to refuse the validity of the ticket or some such. So basically it's optional to pay them IF you do the refusal correctly. That last is pretty rare though so check with a lawyer first for that or anything else legal. I'm not a lawyer and not giving legal advice.
we had that in ohio until they changed the law that said a police officer had to be present when the traffic camera caught the supposed violation. some places still use them, but in my home town in particular they just shut them off because of that ruling, and conflict in the appeals process if you wanted to fight the ticket.
So let's say at approximately $75 a pop, the city of Atlanta raked in almost half a million on improperly placed cameras and illegal tickets. SMH.... who's benefiting from those funds, there needs to be an investigation into them, the camera placement, DOT (state and city)
The argument about it being cheaper to just pay the fine doesn't appear to include the increase your insurance bills will get for getting a speeding ticket..
Good point, but it may not involve the insurance at all. I've had a family member get a red light camera ticket and since no police issued the ticket it didn't involve any points added to the driving record nor any notification to the insurance company. I don't doubt that it's probably different for each state.
How can that street be considered a school zone when the school is as they 1600 to 2000 feet away on a whole different street. It is nothing but a cash grab, $75 by nearly 6k people. That's almost half a million dollars.
If you really want to see a bad one, go look up the N. Slappey Blvd. cameras in Albany, GA. A five lane 45mph road with NO flashing yellow lights to even warn you there's a sudden 25mph school zone, and the school is on another road and nowhere near that main highway. Thousands of tickets dished out with residents threatening a class action suit against the city and the camera company. It's a huge mess.
One of the biggest problems with school zone speeding is the arbitrary and capricious definitions and speed limits for school zones set by school districts and government. How can anyone expect drivers to go 15 mph for close to a mile, especially during the morning rush to satisfy the greed and power grab of some bureaucrats or private camera company?
I pray the issue gets fixed before it wrecks havoc on the already chaotic auto insurance situation we have in this country **speeding in a school zone ain’t gonna be kind to your premium**
Can we follow the money? If you map out the location of the school, revealed in the citation shown in this video, you will see that there are no areas at all within 1000ft, and thus, no way to make money without expanding that circle.
There is a camera on Welch Street SW and University Avenue in Atlanta. You should definitely look into that camera. Since I got a ticket 3 months late in the mail, I went to the location and did not see any sign.
Hundreds of miles of roads are mislabeled with speed limit signs that are placed by the locals, and not the state. It would be a really good idea to check on the actual speed limit set down by the state on that particular road.
Here's the caution on that one. Many such laws have "or such (lessor) limits as the dot (and/or local municipality) determines" so if the official law defaults a road to 50 and the dot in it's official capacity places a 35mph sign for a stretch of that road and you do 50 anyway the ticket will be valid. So double check with your DOT and/or lawyer if it matters. A handmade sign from nearby landowner who also wants you youngens to stay off his lawn doesn't count, and an HOA printed and placed sign at worst gets an hoa fine for violations (NEVER LIVE IN AN HOA). Sometimes municipalities think they have more authority in this than they do, usually smaller ones run by ego's vs brains. And sometimes a sign is not in the city limits even though they thought it was when placed. I know a guy got pulled over under that situation once. Lawyer went into court and pointed out the sign almost a mile outside town the cop parked next to it and pulled him over still a half mile from town. ticket went bye bye. Took a few more cases before the sign finally got pulled. I think a miner state official got caught and raised a stink.
Please evaluate the Milgram experiment. In this experiment, we observed numerous levels of obedient followers. It appears that those responsible for safeguarding society may require assistance with basic tasks. Why do we permit this situation to persist? The Milgram Experiment - read more on Wikipedia: On August 7, 1961, Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram conducted a series of social psychology experiments. The purpose of these experiments was to gauge the extent to which individuals would comply with an authority figure's instructions, even if those instructions conflicted with their personal moral compass. Participants were led to believe they were assisting in an unrelated experiment involving the administration of electric shocks to a "learner." These simulated electric shocks gradually escalated in intensity, reaching levels that would have been fatal if they had been genuine. Do things make more sense to you now? ❤
@gage51desoto it's called the 6th amendment.. and there you were so sure of yourself yet the only thing you did was show how little you know. Hurry along and do some reading and then come back so we can have a quiz.. I'll give you a little hint, (this right existed BEFORE the Constitution was even drafted and was added to the Constitution)... wow, you waited soooo longgg..
@@KingFergus The right to confront you accusers merely means they got clever on how they define accuser Is the officer or his radar gun your accuser? The reasoning behind enforceability of these speed cameras is that they now require an officer to look at the speed reading and photo and sign off on them unless there is clearly and issue. This makes the officer your accuser. A bit of a stretch, but not as obviously a 6a violation. This is why fully automated systems where all a human dose is reload the paper and envelopes and ink in the printer can often be successfully fought in court. Especially when entirely done by a contractor who often gets a percentage of the take.
@@KingFergus that amendment has nothing to do with speeding cameras. The cameras were there for awhile and “grandfathered in” it is clearly posted, so if someone speeds that is their fault. If the camera is against the laws of the town then you need to go through the proper channels about getting it removed. Not sure what the amendment about a criminal defendant having a right to a speedy trial, a public trial, a right to a lawyer and a right to know who your accusers are has to do with speed cameras. FYI I have a degree with a focus in constitutional law. You are just being ignorant and I am done stumbling on stupid. Have a good day.
We used to have cameras like that but most of the tickets were dismissed because the cameras didn't show up to the hearings to testify. Something like that but they got removed.
There was a sign marked with a 25 MPH speed limit and these people continued to speed. Moving the sign 1000 feet closer to the school isn't going to make these law breakers any more law abiding.
Many people do ignore school zone speed limits. That is really irrelevant to the argument concerning the signs and cameras being in a location not allowed by law.
How is it that the (most likely corrupt) DOT and skrool board get away with breaking their own law of 1,000 feet and not get sued under a class action law suite ??
I'm glad I live in Missouri where our people hated speed cameras so much that a provision got amended into the state Constitution that forbids speed cameras anywhere in Missouri. we used to have them but we haven't for over 10 years!
The letter from the school (3:17) only shows that speeding tickets declined not that any accidents/incidents involving the school staff or students did so. I hope the school/city gets sued and has to give all of that money back with interest.
We have a school zone in our neighborhood in OKC. 25 mph "when children are present." As far as I know, the speed limit in the entire neighborhood is 25 mph.
The State Law defines a School Zone as being up to 1,000 feet from the boundary of a School Zone, therefore a school zone camera installed at 1,600 and 2,000 feet from the school are not LEGAL!!! Therefore every Ticket issued by these 2 Cameras are not Valid and must be cancelled, expunged from the Driver's Record and the Fine refunded...
The number of stories of these being misused shows that there needs to be updated laws with regard to the cameras or maybe just going back to having them banned.
It's not a legal ticket unless it's served to you by a law enforcement officer who personally observed, estimated, and verified the violation and contacted the driver and verified ID.
They need to give the money back to the people who have paid these fines but they also need to have the tickets removed from their drivers license because it's driving their car insurance rates up as well.
A Catch-22 situation is in play here. The old 2,000-foot rule was Grandfathered in when the new distance became law, so the cameras are legal. What an underhanded way to raise revenue. If safety was an issue then officers would be on patrol in the area instead of money printing machines.
Almost 6000 tickets $75 per fine equals $450,000. Yeah they're not taking the cameras down voluntarily.
@@newmobile1455unless the law is correct then nobody should complain……
@@newmobile1455 Its not speeding in that zone because it is not legaly a school zone. The only criminals here are the city that refuses to take down the cameras or move them to the appropriate location. But you keep trolling. Im sure its one of the few things you do that brings joy to your pitiful life.
No, they are doing this to make money
@@newmobile1455 I don't even live there and I know those cameras are 100% illegal......And I will tell you this. I've NEVER had a ticket in all of my years of driving. . I got my DL at the age of 18 and I'm now 41, so your statement is FALSE
@@newmobile1455 I am not a law breaker, and I faithfully follow speed limits including how OCGA grants you up to 10 MPH per OCGA 40-14-8, only GSP is exempt from having to follow this law.
However, the law also states that a "School Zone, is no more than 1000 Feet" And if you give me a ticket for something that breaks the law itself, who is the real law breaker at this point?
These Cameras are already under investigation in numerous counties for issuing citations for school zone violations OUTSIDE of school hours posted.
stay in your lane buddy, I'm 42 and got my DL at 16 and I have YET to get a single citation for ANY reason, including speeding.
It's not about safety or what is right or wrong, it's about what brings in the dollars by any means necessary.
The problem is that there is no liability for officials that violate the law.
Cops are sovereign citizens.....just look at the cop city stuff...
There are however special protections against being sued when they do and someone gets hurt.
There are a number of constitutional violations that could amount to 18US241 and 18US242 crimes.
Unfortunately, it's yet another situation where it's the government vs. the citizens.
Our founding fathers saw it that the citizens ARE the government in that the government shall not oppress the citizens.
You think liability means being sued? That is nothing to do with liability.@@kaseyboles30
Have all 6,000 people set a date with the judge... They'll change that REAL QUICK.
Time for a class action law suit.
@@donalddawes2518 💯%!!!
The judges are on the same team as the police because they are all paid from the same place.
That is NOT how you get appropriate checks and balances.
When you violate the law, you get punished.
When the government violates the law, nobody gets punished.
So does the law actually matter or not?
Even when the government violates the law YOU still get punished
Yes, the LAW says 1000 feet from the property line. These fools measured from the parking lot. It's perfectly legal.
@FloridaMugwump video literally says the speed camera is 2,000 feet away
@@LuciferMorningstar-pn3ex From the PARKING LOT of the school, lol. The law says BOUNDARY. That means the property line. Does the school own those woods? Do students walk to school that way?
Don't be a stooge that always believes whatever story they feed you without critical thinking. Don't be an Npc.
Evidently you are a moron , with all due respect.
They took down those cameras in Kansas City. Paid a $55 ticket, got a $20 refund stating those cameras are illegal. Who has the $35?
The 35 was already spent so they didn’t have the money for a full refund.
The camera company took the rest.
Your boy mayor ghetto Q
processing fee
Clearly lining the pockets of the one's who perpetrated and support this scam.
The company that illegally installed the cameras should be required to refund all the illegal tickets 10 times the illegal fines.
the point made in the video was those cams were installed at locations set out by the city. The company was just doing what they were hired to do. Liability goes back to the city here.
@@rupe53 At this point it really shouldn't even matter but the video also pointed out that the only reason why the spot was no longer a school zone was because of a law change after the school zone sign was put up. In my opinion, if a speed sign is posted, you follow it. They even let you go 10mph above speed limit.... is it really that hard to follow speed signs? If anything the city should just change the law back to 2000 ft.
@@Holyshiszle I don't have a problem with following that logic, but the town / city does need to maintain some consistency, so enforcement doesn't become an issue. BTW, we have a similar situation in my town, but the enforcement is not automated so fewer problems.
@@rupe53 Yes, the City is also liable, but a contractor is required to know the law and should've said "where is the school?" Plus the contractor was making a substantial profit from running the cameras and issuing the tickets.
@@socalpaul487 someone else pointed out that the local rules changed after the fact. You expect the subcontractor to keep track of that too? I feel the city should have notified them that it needs to be relocated.
Several years ago I was driving down a road doing the speed limit in Altadena Ca. 45mph when children are NOT present, 25mph when children are present. This was about 5pm and there was a cop in the middle of the street directing everyone, everyone to the side. Thought maybe there was an accident. While in this long line of vehicles one of the cops walks up to me and asks for license and registration. Asked what’s going on and he said I was speeding in a school zone.
When I told him it’s long after school was out, he just said tell it to the judge. When I was in the area again the next day I stopped at the school to check the hours, 7:30-3:30 were there hours. Got a card from the counter person and weeks later took it to court with me. Turned out the whole court room was full of people that got tickets that day and has been all day long. My turn before the judge to make my case with the card, pictures and time written on ticket. Judge said he doesn’t look at evidence in traffic court. My word against the cops. When I said that seems like a scam he threatened me with contempt. When I told him I’d like traffic school to get the ticket off my record he told me when I chose to fight the ticket I gave up my rights to traffic school. The whole court room was full of people going crazy at this total scam. Never forget that BS.
Somebody getting paid swell.
There is one word to describe why the City of Atlanta wants these cameras where they are:
*REVENUE*
Could also be racism. What's the demographic of the population that commonly navigate that road?
Surprisingly, a HUGE percentage of that revenue goes to the camera company, not the city.
@@greghale717 That's only surprising if the city members aren't getting greased by the camera company.
@@cameronno6039 good point
If the city refuses to do the right thing the people should disrupt those cameras so they can't ticket anyone anymore.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. It was initially proposed to keep children safe, but this is a cash tool by local governments. Having a Police patrol car present during arrival & departure is sufficient.
Try Rhode Island. They have these things all over every school zone, way out on streets away from the school itself. You basically have to drive 20mph through all the cities!
There were never "good intentions". The intent was to make money and abuse the people.
Or if you just drive the speed limit problem solved
@@markr7677That’s what living in liberal states get you
This was just another venture backed by a business for profit, backed by Administrative authority while holding out front "_the safety of children_" . These safety programs and traffic initiatives equivocate performance of a contractual consideration by which these companies receive a percentage of revenue collected in exchange for providing all of the footage, data and information harvested by these equipment installations. These LLCs often are registered out of state, some even using the name of the participating county sheriff's office or municipal police department as an LLC, such as, "Oglethorpe County (GA) Sheriff's Office, LLC, PO Box xxx, _Chattanooga, Tennessee_ ".
The strategic employment of these cameras _beyond_ the bounds and restrictions of the "School Zones" include placing the surveillance and ticketing devices outside the posted traffic zones and off-hours operation, besides the obvious community trust and potential "color of law" implications.
People in Atlanta say their officials are corrupted. They say they are discusted with the city.
"They" vote them in year after year so... meh.
Gerrymandering
That’s what happens when you vote blue no matter who
It’s not about protecting children, they just use that as an excuse to justify taking money from people.
Exploiting children for money. Shame on them.
if you don't speed or run red lights you want have a problem
The role of government is to attack our neighbors.
Do children even walk to school, or any where else, in 2024?
Stealing money!
Face it,it’s not about safety,it’s about REVENUE!
Wouldn’t issuing false fines be classed as mail fraud?
Good question, one would think so. And, mail fraud is a felony. Seems like something that should be pursued by someone who's been ticketed.
Try to find a lawyer to take that case and if you do then find a judge that would hear it. It most definitely is fraud however the fraudulent party is the one making the rules.
It's only a crime when a private entity does it. Otherwise its "my bad, pay up anyways".
@@kaseyboles30the company running the cameras us a private company
@@leepierce8778 Yeah but the fines are under the authority of the jurisdiction. Government can hire out some of it's responsibility and authority. how much and when varies. For example many state prisons are wholly owned private businesses. With occupancy guarantees as their paid by the inmate.
This sent a shiver through my spine. It’s shocking how bold this government entity has become. I am definitely going to be reading bylaws in my county. 😢
I fought mine and won. It’s a huge mess and a waste of time for people who have to show up to court.
They are counting on people not having the time to waste in court to fight these bogus fines. That's how they make their money.
@@mlong9475 Yep. The only way to fix things like this is to get the courts to force the change, the legislatures to force it (in both cases there can be conflicts of interest, you may have to go up a tier or two) or to make it more expensive (hard to do, retaliation does happen). or to bring lots of attention to it (this news report).
That's why the make paying them with no points so easy. Basically it's either take off work and spend the time and expense of fighting the ticket, or pay the new "tax".
Look for more and more of this as every state, city, and county looks for more money.
so you was speeding got caught and got mad abought it pitched a fit in front of the judge
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative
We outlawed red light and speed cameras in Texas. They can’t station a machine in some random spot to do a cop’s job here.
We have a similar situation around Chattanooga where it’s not uncommon to have a school zone with no school anywhere in sight. Fortunately word has gotten out that the automated camera tickets are not valid in Tennessee so people are starting to disregard the tickets when they come in the mail.
Several years back I received a radar ticket from the Beaverton, OR police for 35 in a 25 (no school zone). One savvy motorist found that the radar van was set up one block outside the Beaverton city limits. Their limit was on the west side of Target and the van was on the east side of Target. Received a surprise letter in the mail with a check from the City of Beaverton and a Xeroxed letter of apology from the mayor. All citations for that day were refunded AND DMV ordered to remove the violation from all records of those cited. So proud of it I hung it in my cubicle at work for a time with a small sign above it saying "score one for the common people".
It’s time America. We can no longer accept the corrupt behavior of city and school government officials. We should not be held financially responsible for the corrupt government behavior.
Time for a class action law suit.
Do something about it.
Maybe a class action lawsuit against the city
Who do you think is going to pay for that? The very same people that are suing them lmao.
@@teamofone1219
Since the school is an organization that is committing Fraud to Extort the public for profit... they can & should be charged under federal statutes for Racketeering.
Great scoop! I hope more drivers find out about this and fight back!
Simple. Locals need to eliminate the cameras
Indeed there ARE ways to deal with corrupt govt.
Silly string would probably work. Paintball gun would work.
How about you don't endanger everyone around you with your car due to your own selfishness for once?
Mariusfacktor3597: Easy there, Karen, the cameras are well outside the school zone. No one is being endangered, just extorted by a corrupt and greedy local government.
mariusfacktor3597 how about you follow the law as written.
So, the camera company gets money, AND the local government gets money. Someone needs to be sued for millions for this criminal activity. Class action lawsuit that pays every penny back plus time off work, gas, pain and suffering. Millions of dollars lossed will show the corrupt that they're not above the law.
Def a money grab situation, as evidenced by the fact that the city refuses to reimburse those ticketed.
why should they if you speed or run a red light you pay the price for being stupid
@@newmobile1455 You may be missing the point. The cameras are attempting to reinforce a false speed limit that is nowhere near a school, so in actuality, nobody is speeding.
@@rirkc in most cities the speed limit is 25mph unless posted other wise
@@newmobile1455 Maybe. Depends on the road and the posted limit.
@@newmobile1455LOL at the 🥾licker cleaning the 💩 from the soles of the jack🥾 🤡s. You keep backing the blue thugs till they do it to you, then you will cry.
Demand a jury trial and the judge will get tired of it.
I was mailed a traffic ticket from a place I had never been. Hoffman Estates, which is near Chicago, sent it in the mail. It was a ticket for a rental car I had returned a week before the ticket was issued. I was in Chicago on business the week before that. The rental company even charged me an administrative fee for getting the ticket. It took 2 months of mail, emails, and phone calls before all was fixed. And it was only a $100 ticket for not coming to a complete stop before turning on red. A victimless crime. Its all for revenue.
Well you didn't get shot or go to jail or get accused of stealing that car, so not Hertz I take it. Seriously it seems they are in the news every few days for claiming a rental was stolen that wasn't. They even rented an ev, that got returned with a full battery, and got charged hundreds for hertz refilling the gas tank. Quite a few gallons of gas.
Same with me only it was Enterprise
@@kaseyboles30 you watch Steve Lehto, don't you? lol
@@Hostyl176 I take it you've seen how many times he's started a story surprised at the new way Hertz has earned a story from him.
Basically, there is no traffic in the legal school zone but they want the money, so they put the camera where there is traffic.
Time to suit up for a class action!
lol...If you only understood how it all works...A 450K "class action" suit is NOTHING....No lawyer would waste their time with it...
@@godbluffvdggThere are lawyers out there who think they have too much money and do a lot of charity work. They might become interested in this if they find out.
The Institute for justice will help
Haha, the only people who win in class actions are the lawyers.
@@Tel864 if you win they get 40% if you lose then you better start hocking your valuables.
They tried this in my town. They eventually stopped because you have to be able to confront your accuser. You can't do that with unmonitored cameras.
Time for a class action lawsuit
This has nothing to do with the police. It is the city transportation dept and the school only.
Class act leads to less pay out
So no on class action
@@jam5158 you don’t know what a class action lawsuit is do you
“It’s easier to just pay up”. Well if that doesn’t sound like somebody with money I don’t know what does. This is unjust and it shows once again, the government doesn’t care about you.
I've beaten these unlawful camera tickets where I live in Cleveland, Ohio. I'm excited to see people do their own research by studying what the law says and using their own codes and statutes against them. It's to bad most people are believed they can't seek a remedy in court or thinks they have to hire an attorney. I was also happy to see the judge rule based on the facts and the law. Mad respect for that judge, I'm proud of him, because there are judges that don't want pro se litigants winning in court. They view us as being stupid or anti govt. Sick of hearing that argument when people served and died for this country to allow us citizens to challenge the people they swore to protect us. I'm disappointed with the city saying they don't care what the statute says and their going to continue to do this. Which means the powers at be that swore to protect our rights will choose greed in order to gain revenue for their political subdivision (city to the ones that don't know law).
I hope people go to their city council during an open forum meeting to address this, but they'll sham you mostly, but hopefully someone is smart enough to hold them personal responsible. Hint hints their oath of office
This would stop pretty fast if they made the camera operators appear for the court cases. They're the accuser, and you have the right to have your accuser.
They currently play this game where nominally an officer reviews the picture and reading (ie glances at the printout) and signs off it and is therefore the accuser. Ask to face your accuser in court and an officer sits down and says yep it was that car in the video and the radar readout said that speed. **bang** "guilty! pay up sucker".
There is no camera operator its an AI. You have a 6th amendment right to face your accuser. Which in this case is a non human entity. Those cameras are unconstitutional. We cant have them in Michigan. Supreme court said no.
You must have missed it. Our government has been rolling rights back. The 6th amendment is no longer valid.
All you have to do is go to court and say you weren't driving; case dismisses.
Go to court ask for the officer writing the citation
School zone or not, still shows drivers won't obey the speed limits.
There is no crime the cities and police won't commit.
Stop paying property tax they'll stop ticketing
guess 40% of our paychecks isnt enough for these cronies…
Damn I wish I was rich enough to pay 40% in taxes.
Dang….. do you make 7 figures to be paying 40%?
@@Naldo_S1K do you not realize that taxes come out of other places, than, just your paycheck, when you go grocery shopping, its taxed, when you pay bills, its taxed, when you wanna buy a car, its taxed, so yes, 40%, you dont need to make 7 figures for them to take as much as they can, in any way they can…
@@KingRat71 bro go to the grocery store, go buy a car, go buy a house, off your income, and see how much of it you net, vs how much you spend, and youll see it…
@@ReverendOmen lol. That's not how taxes work. But okay.
Cut down all automated cameras. They are a direct violation. Its not about safety, its about revenue and surveillance.
We had a camera something like that.
It kept getting damaged, I don't know how.
After the third camera, they quit replacing it.
The people that set them up illegally should be jailed for violating the laws! Camera wasn't even on the same road.
That's a half million dollars conservative math. Of COURSE they aren't taking those cameras down until forced. And won't refund a penny until they lose a civil verdict.
Y'all here talking about right and wrong like it's a morality issue.
easy win for a lawyer to pursue as a class action and get paid. Hope one comes forward to take this case.
It is.
There was a traffic cam right by where I lived in south Phoenix, they stopped fixing it after the tenth time. Funny how it mysteriously stopped working about a day after it was fixed each time, then they stopped fixing it.
I got a ticket a few years ago in CA for doing 35 (the posted limit on that street outside of school hours) on a weekend, during the summer, at around 11pm. The judge upheld it saying the sign said "When children are present" which means children can be present any time day or night as that is their safe space. I took it to the next city council meeting and demanded they change the speed limit on the street to 25mph if that was the case and they refused saying it was the drivers responsibility to decide if they needed to slow down outside of school hours.
I got pulled over by a cop doing 40 in a posted 40 through a school zone that said only when students are present. The cop said I was speeding through a school zone. I told him it was Saturday and the school zone sign said only when children are present. He was rubbed the wrong way but had to let me go.
That judge is just excusing his salary there. If there were no children around the sign didn't apply. A qualifier of that sort is only useful if not always true. That screams for appeal. usually a traffic court appeal is few bucks for a do-over at the county level.
11PM? Wouldn't there have been a curfew for kids at that time? I don't know why people support pigs the way they do. I wonder how safe they feel when they see the red lights in their mirror. Trump supporting the bastards as he does is absolutely sickening.
So legally it is this, if it is a city law, you have to pay, as the judge is correct, as children may be present. However, if this is something that affects a code of law with the DMV, as in their publications it specifically has the code of law, and the definition, to which that usually would stipulate during school hours. If that is the case, you can appeal on those grounds, and the case would be dismissed.
I watched a video about the Fulton County Water Board (could have been FOX 5's own) charging a home more than $30,000 for their water bill. The problem? The home has no water lines! Even despite a Water Board employee saying it was wrong to charge the owner, the Board still insists the bill is valid. Imagine that! Unfortunately, I can't say I am surprised one bit about those illegal cameras.
One point not mentioned is the tickets have a Police Officer signature..The two I got did..😮 How is that if no police officer was present..I just rode through a school zone at 7:58pm, why is the school light flashing.. 🤔 August 1st, 2024..
No officer writing that ticket/signature means it's not valid... it's not protecting kids. This is policing for profit. Gotta build up that $$$ for those inevitable lawsuit that police seem to have.
In the early days this got a few tickets tossed. The officer couldn't say they saw anything themselves. Later they decided the signature meant the officer witnessed the contents of the photo as valid and this was considered good enough in most jurisdictions. Those that had laws that required witnessing the actual violation in person (or wording the courts wouldn't accept meant seeing a photo counted) Took longer to update their statutes. There are still a few jurisdictions where you have a way to refuse the validity of the ticket or some such. So basically it's optional to pay them IF you do the refusal correctly. That last is pretty rare though so check with a lawyer first for that or anything else legal. I'm not a lawyer and not giving legal advice.
@@kaseyboles30 Thanks for the valuable information..🫶
That's why Tennessee supreme court stated camera tickets are a violation of Constitution.
we had that in ohio until they changed the law that said a police officer had to be present when the traffic camera caught the supposed violation. some places still use them, but in my home town in particular they just shut them off because of that ruling, and conflict in the appeals process if you wanted to fight the ticket.
Either this is a scam or a mistake. The fact the city won't drop the illegal fines points this issue towards scam.
Good luck getting that many tickets refunded. Bet the cameras come down one way or another now😂😂😂
$450,000 in revenue to the police department. There’s no way the government would give that back.
You know often times I'm driving by and I see school zone signs but absolutely no school! It all makes sense now.
a friend got a ticket and took it to court and got off because their MUST be a warning sign of the camera within 100 feet
I already paid $75 online for it. Smh.
Get the institute for justice involved you might get your money back. The Institute for justice operates on donations they don't charge you.
Absolutely DISGUSTING! We elect the goons responsible for this raging GREED AND CONTEMPT!!! 🤬
Never saw a fraud against the people that State Actors didn’t like.
So let's say at approximately $75 a pop, the city of Atlanta raked in almost half a million on improperly placed cameras and illegal tickets. SMH.... who's benefiting from those funds, there needs to be an investigation into them, the camera placement, DOT (state and city)
The argument about it being cheaper to just pay the fine doesn't appear to include the increase your insurance bills will get for getting a speeding ticket..
Good point, but it may not involve the insurance at all. I've had a family member get a red light camera ticket and since no police issued the ticket it didn't involve any points added to the driving record nor any notification to the insurance company. I don't doubt that it's probably different for each state.
Some minor violations don’t go against insurance or add points to your license.
Wow, over $375,000 in fines issued by a school zone camera that isn't supposed to be there.
There's a reason why these things were banned in Texas.
They just had to refund thousands of dollars in Clayton County for this same reason! Keep fighting!
How can that street be considered a school zone when the school is as they 1600 to 2000 feet away on a whole different street.
It is nothing but a cash grab, $75 by nearly 6k people. That's almost half a million dollars.
If you really want to see a bad one, go look up the N. Slappey Blvd. cameras in Albany, GA. A five lane 45mph road with NO flashing yellow lights to even warn you there's a sudden 25mph school zone, and the school is on another road and nowhere near that main highway. Thousands of tickets dished out with residents threatening a class action suit against the city and the camera company. It's a huge mess.
It's racketeering at this point. The cameras should not be operating outside of school hours.
In my city you only go that speed when school is loading and unloading children which has a blinking light that indicates that.
One of the biggest problems with school zone speeding is the arbitrary and capricious definitions and speed limits for school zones set by school districts and government. How can anyone expect drivers to go 15 mph for close to a mile, especially during the morning rush to satisfy the greed and power grab of some bureaucrats or private camera company?
I pray the issue gets fixed before it wrecks havoc on the already chaotic auto insurance situation we have in this country
**speeding in a school zone ain’t gonna be kind to your premium**
Can we follow the money? If you map out the location of the school, revealed in the citation shown in this video, you will see that there are no areas at all within 1000ft, and thus, no way to make money without expanding that circle.
Why can't people just do the right thing. They know they messed up. Apologize and simply issue refunds.
Because no-one wants to be wrong, and a refund could occur, totally unfair.
There is a camera on Welch Street SW and University Avenue in Atlanta. You should definitely look into that camera. Since I got a ticket 3 months late in the mail, I went to the location and did not see any sign.
The corruption in this age of information is unbelievable! So so many bureaucrats need held accountable and sent to prison!
So it takes a camera to give a ticket to a cop going 14 over, cops don't give speeding tickets to other cops.
Forget the refund and just take down the cameras. At least that will prevent other victims
Hundreds of miles of roads are mislabeled with speed limit signs that are placed by the locals, and not the state.
It would be a really good idea to check on the actual speed limit set down by the state on that particular road.
Here's the caution on that one. Many such laws have "or such (lessor) limits as the dot (and/or local municipality) determines" so if the official law defaults a road to 50 and the dot in it's official capacity places a 35mph sign for a stretch of that road and you do 50 anyway the ticket will be valid. So double check with your DOT and/or lawyer if it matters. A handmade sign from nearby landowner who also wants you youngens to stay off his lawn doesn't count, and an HOA printed and placed sign at worst gets an hoa fine for violations (NEVER LIVE IN AN HOA). Sometimes municipalities think they have more authority in this than they do, usually smaller ones run by ego's vs brains. And sometimes a sign is not in the city limits even though they thought it was when placed. I know a guy got pulled over under that situation once. Lawyer went into court and pointed out the sign almost a mile outside town the cop parked next to it and pulled him over still a half mile from town. ticket went bye bye. Took a few more cases before the sign finally got pulled. I think a miner state official got caught and raised a stink.
The people responsible for putting the camera up should go to jail. One week for every ticket.
In Massachusetts, getting a speeding ticket and not contesting it (if in error), would increase a driver's insurance premium.
Plead not guilty and make these corrupt morons prove their case in court.
That's true everywhere; but only for officer-issued tickets, never for photo-enforcement tickets (can't identify the driver).
Please evaluate the Milgram experiment. In this experiment, we observed numerous levels of obedient followers. It appears that those responsible for safeguarding society may require assistance with basic tasks. Why do we permit this situation to persist?
The Milgram Experiment - read more on Wikipedia:
On August 7, 1961, Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram conducted a series of social psychology experiments. The purpose of these experiments was to gauge the extent to which individuals would comply with an authority figure's instructions, even if those instructions conflicted with their personal moral compass. Participants were led to believe they were assisting in an unrelated experiment involving the administration of electric shocks to a "learner." These simulated electric shocks gradually escalated in intensity, reaching levels that would have been fatal if they had been genuine.
Do things make more sense to you now? ❤
Not only that, speeding cameras are completely unconstitutional
Show me where in the constitution it mentions anything about speed cameras. I’ll wait
@gage51desoto it's called the 6th amendment.. and there you were so sure of yourself yet the only thing you did was show how little you know. Hurry along and do some reading and then come back so we can have a quiz.. I'll give you a little hint, (this right existed BEFORE the Constitution was even drafted and was added to the Constitution)... wow, you waited soooo longgg..
@gage51
Boy howdy aren't you a big dummy lol
@@KingFergus The right to confront you accusers merely means they got clever on how they define accuser Is the officer or his radar gun your accuser? The reasoning behind enforceability of these speed cameras is that they now require an officer to look at the speed reading and photo and sign off on them unless there is clearly and issue. This makes the officer your accuser. A bit of a stretch, but not as obviously a 6a violation. This is why fully automated systems where all a human dose is reload the paper and envelopes and ink in the printer can often be successfully fought in court. Especially when entirely done by a contractor who often gets a percentage of the take.
@@KingFergus that amendment has nothing to do with speeding cameras. The cameras were there for awhile and “grandfathered in” it is clearly posted, so if someone speeds that is their fault. If the camera is against the laws of the town then you need to go through the proper channels about getting it removed. Not sure what the amendment about a criminal defendant having a right to a speedy trial, a public trial, a right to a lawyer and a right to know who your accusers are has to do with speed cameras. FYI I have a degree with a focus in constitutional law. You are just being ignorant and I am done stumbling on stupid. Have a good day.
Those 6000 people should vote as a block and recall or vote someone out of office
Yeah use a Camera instead of an Officer… I guess the human officer costs more.
Ridiculous! Have an officer not a damn camera!
In my state, an actual officer MUST witness a misdemeanor traffic offense. Those that actually know it and fight in court win.
We used to have cameras like that but most of the tickets were dismissed because the cameras didn't show up to the hearings to testify. Something like that but they got removed.
There was a sign marked with a 25 MPH speed limit and these people continued to speed. Moving the sign 1000 feet closer to the school isn't going to make these law breakers any more law abiding.
Many people do ignore school zone speed limits. That is really irrelevant to the argument concerning the signs and cameras being in a location not allowed by law.
We allowed the police to break the law, just to catch other lawbreakers. 😂
Time for a class action suit.
🌱 Corruption 🍃
How is it that the (most likely corrupt) DOT and skrool board get away with breaking their own law of 1,000 feet and not get sued under a class action law suite ??
Class action law suit sounds good to me! Maybe the school gets a kick back from the $$
One local records as you drive away from the school zone. You would think they would be concerned with car speeds entering the zone……
These cameras should only be on the immediate streets near a school, not half a mile away on streets that are not even CLOSE.
Waldo, Florida, used to have all kinds of speed traps. They got in big trouble and can't do it anymore. Fight it!
I'm glad I live in Missouri where our people hated speed cameras so much that a provision got amended into the state Constitution that forbids speed cameras anywhere in Missouri. we used to have them but we haven't for over 10 years!
The letter from the school (3:17) only shows that speeding tickets declined not that any accidents/incidents involving the school staff or students did so. I hope the school/city gets sued and has to give all of that money back with interest.
Nothing a Cattle Prod producing a 50,000 Volt Shock won't fix!!
We have a school zone in our neighborhood in OKC. 25 mph "when children are present." As far as I know, the speed limit in the entire neighborhood is 25 mph.
Now 15 mph in my neighborhood.
Thank you to that man for standing up. All heroes don't wear capes
It doesn't look like the school is even on the same street where the cameras are located.
The State Law defines a School Zone as being up to 1,000 feet from the boundary of a School Zone, therefore a school zone camera installed at 1,600 and 2,000 feet from the school are not LEGAL!!!
Therefore every Ticket issued by these 2 Cameras are not Valid and must be cancelled, expunged from the Driver's Record and the Fine refunded...
Freedom of the press: you do great work and without your reporting these types of unlawful tickets would continue and continue! TU.
The number of stories of these being misused shows that there needs to be updated laws with regard to the cameras or maybe just going back to having them banned.
It's not a legal ticket unless it's served to you by a law enforcement officer who personally observed, estimated, and verified the violation and contacted the driver and verified ID.
They need to give the money back to the people who have paid these fines but they also need to have the tickets removed from their drivers license because it's driving their car insurance rates up as well.
Can a city be called a scumbag?
Should be illegal in any state to receive a ticket from a company out-of-state with these camera setups.
A Catch-22 situation is in play here. The old 2,000-foot rule was Grandfathered in when the new distance became law, so the cameras are legal. What an underhanded way to raise revenue. If safety was an issue then officers would be on patrol in the area instead of money printing machines.