Same issue on the 24’ Sahara 4xe. Was sick of not getting any help or answers. I called the attorney generals office and started the lemon law process. The ag was very helpful and said this is a well known issue in the state. She accepted my case and now jeep has to fix it or we go to arbitration. $65k for a jeep that doesn’t work as promised and we’re expected to complete 5-7 ish oil changes a winter is a tough pill to swallow.
The first winter we had the Wrangler 4xe , while in FORM the oil life went from 60% to 0% on a trip of 25 miles. We had the oil changed and had an analysis done on the old oil. The analysis showed a high level of gasoline contamination. In our case, it looks like indicating a oil change was the right thing for the software to do.
Similar experience. Jeep said nothing is wrong with it. Right. Also didn't want to cover the oil changes during warranty. The oil system cannot test for fuel in the oil. I ran in FORM for 1,500 miles and analysis showed fuel in the oil. Class action is targeting all of this. Jeep will lose and they should.
Simple solution. Get the Mopar Winter Front cover for about 225 Canadian. I live in frigid Ontario and this solved the issue. It gets the oil temp up rapidly especially in E Save mode and no rapid Oil Life drop. Case closed.
We bought our 24 Willys at the end of November and so far we have dodged a bullet (knock on wood) with all the recalls and FORM issues. We live in Northern CA with fairly mild Winters. Also, CA has different additives to gasoline than other states, not sure if that could be a factor. So far, so good and we love the 4xe.
Just had a oil change in late Nov and everything was good, no form. BUT the past week or more we have had some really cold temps, at one point it was -24c with wind chill, 2023 4XE wrangler was in form and could not get it out. I have had very few KMs since the oil change. I checked my oil life yesterday afternoon and it was 0%, basically it went from around 92% to 0% in the matter of a week or 2. I am big on checking my oil regularly, oil is the life blood of your Jeep so I even physically pull the dip stick and check it manually (its the way i was raised i guess). So i had to reset the oil change. If you are doing this, make sure you do check the actual oil, just to make sure!!!
@@Wrangler4XEFans Does not happen to me in summer so it must be directly related to outside temps. I'm in Newfoundland, Canada. It can get really cold here sometimes.
When I had 95B recall done Jan 13 2025, they changed the oil (it was 200km within needing a change), it went into FORM the next day, just this morning I got change oil warning, the weather ranged from the recall date to today was - 15c to -44c with a wind chill. I wish jeep would fix FORM once and for all.
I have a strategy to combat FORM that has worked for me this Winter. After the 95B recall my 4Xe went into FORM 2 days later. I drove the Jeep, using the Manual shift, keeping the revs above 3000 rpm, until the oil temperature remained above 190F/88C for thirty minutes. This clearded FORM in one day. Please note that I cannot get the oil temperature that high by running it in Drive or D. Since then I have used the same method to raise the oil temperature to 190F/88C for several minutes, every time the ICE runs on startup. After reaching 190F/88C for several mintes I shift it back to Drive, or D, for the rest of the day. The temeratures here in Southern Ontario, Canada have ranged from -3F/-20C to close to 32F/0C, since the recall. I have not gone into FORM since clearing it after the 95B recall in mid-December. My oil life is over 80% and my last oil change was in November.. I am unsure if Jeep recommends my method, but it works for me!
That bug been there since 2022 at least. Never was an issues on my first winter but start after a TSB software update to help prevent FORM. Drop to 0% 8-9x per winter for 3 out lf 4 winter. One of the main reason why i trade it in. FORM and Oil drop.
I parked mine on Friday and went on a weekend trip. Was at 45% when I left. Turned it on today and it was at 0%. It didn’t move… it’s at the dealer and was told that the oil was low. It had been driven 2000 miles since the last changed. I asked if there was a sign of a leak and was told no. So where did the oil go? I should note that this happened to me last year and they resolved it with a software update.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Well I suppose that’s where the story gets fun. I am the original owner of this 21 wrangler. This same issue happened last year and was resolved with a software update. When I parked it on Friday, oil life was about 45%. When I started it today, oil life was 0%. I immediately called the dealership and got it right in. The dealership called me and told me the oil was low and that I needed an oil change. I approved the oil change. When they called me to let me know the vehicle was ready, I pressed the dealership a little more. I asked if there was a leak or anything that caused the oil to be low and was not given any answers. I went to pick up the vehicle and pressed some more. Begin the Q&A: Q: So the oil was low, was there a leak? A: No, it wasn’t low, but it needed to be changed. Q: So the oil was already bad after 2,000 miles? A: Actually it didn’t look that bad, but these vehicles are very sensitive to oil condition so it needed to be changed. (My interpretation: The vehicle said it needed an oil change, so we did an oil change.) At this point the Q&A kind of fell apart and I was given every dealership excuse under the sun. “If you don’t use the exact right type of oil with all the right additives it will cause issues.” “It should be good now, but keep an eye on it.” At the end of it all, they gave me a discount on the oil change. What I took away from this experience is this. The oil isn’t leaking. The oil looked ok. We’re not sure why it’s telling you that you need an oil change already, but it is, so that’s what we did. Keep an eye on it. Timeline of the vehicle: November 5 (approx 41,000 miles on the odometer - Oil change December 13 - Jeep dropped off at the dealership due to failure of the hybrid system. January 10 - Jeep picked up after hybrid battery was replaced. January 27 - (approx 43,250 miles on the odometer) - Jeep oil life at 0% At the end of the day, I am thankful they got me right in, but I’d appreciate more transparency. Tell me that you’re not sure what is going on, that you have me an oil change at cost, and that I should keep an eye on it.
@ This is a software issue that we need to get @Jeep to hear about. I have communicated with Blair on the Jeep PR team about this. I would invite you to send a message to the Jeep Facebook Page and address it to Blair. Write this exact story in that message.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Submitted and response received. Thank you for sending in your vehicle experience. We appreciate your valued feedback. Should you need extra support alongside the dealership for your next visit, please send our team a private message, and we would be happy to connect you with a case manager. Blair Jeep Cares
BMW’s x5e has a DI engine also. It’s 6cyl though, and I was able to verify that BMW has a similar engine treatment to FORM. But I eavesdropped on two BMW forums over the last month, and dont see anyone complaining about similar engine behavior. Maybe the 2.0 is too small to get to temp vs. the BMW 6cyl. Maybe Jeep needs to add oil heaters on the 4xes. They already have two electric heaters. What’s a third?
I purchased my 4xe in October 2024, but I haven't been able to use the battery since then. A week after buying the vehicle, I received a recall notice that prevented me from charging the battery until it was repaired, which happened in late December. During that time, my vehicle went into a state called FORM, which warned me that it had zero oil and needed an oil change. This issue occurred twice. Thankfully, the second time, I was already scheduled to bring the car in for the recall repair. A week after the recall repair, the vehicle returned to FORM, again not allowing me to use the battery, despite it having a 100% charge. It also indicated that there was zero oil and needed another oil change. I’m on my 3rd oil change in 3 months. I would never have purchased this 4xe if I knew I would face all this with a brand new vehicle. You can't tell me this is normal behavior for a vehicle, and that consumers should have to put up with it. Jeep needs to abandon this concept until they can get it straight for normal users.
@@robertzimmerman3980 I'm trying to work with my dealer to get out of this mess already. I've visited my dealer more times in the last three months than in the last twenty years.
When this happens, should the cost change be covered by Jeep, or be paid by the customer? My last oil change was just 1000 miles ago, and when I sent my car to the Jeep dealer for 95B recall, they changed the oil, which may be related to FORM. However I live in California and the lowest temperature is above 30F. I myself did not experience any FORM. But anyway, they used my pre-purchased maintenance plan quota purchased when I bought the car for the oil change without communicating with me ahead. I am very upset with that.
Its time for a lawsuit and make jeep buy this crap back....I think we gave jeep enough time to fix this issues... we have to deal that we are upside down on our loans plus this bs form factor and recalls..enough is enough....
@@iridium58 I’m with you , Jeep should buy this piece of crap back from us ! I wish i had my 2020 Rubicon back now that I traded in on this piece of crap 4xe !!!!!
Hey quick question for you? I took my Jeep in for the 95B recall. “It passed” I drove it for a couple days and the MIL came on and drives like a stick shift with someone who doesnt know how to work a clutch. Had it towed in to the dealership and they aren’t going to be even able to look at it for 2 days. Who did you contact to get a rental? I have a 2021 and my Jeep Cares has run out
@@rxtu7367 Once they decide (officially) that it’s the hybrid battery, they should open a case. Get that case number and call that number. They’ll want you to put it on your credit card and reimburse you. They’ll say there’s a $55 dollar a day limit. Just tell them you can’t get a comparable vehicle for $55 a day.
@ Thank you so much for the quick reply! Also, I know you’ve been tracking the trouble codes, mine was P0DAB -Hybrid/EV battery cell balance performance. 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4xe, about 23,800 miles on the ODO.
@@Wrangler4XEFans So sad… they could have made this a quality vehicle. Hopefully they make things right but you and I know their track record unfortunately.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Strange then. Short trips in winter is a killer for FORM. It's strange that you got the first 4XE in North America and yet you haven't had the problems that most of us have had. Just lucky?
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Same issue on the 24’ Sahara 4xe. Was sick of not getting any help or answers. I called the attorney generals office and started the lemon law process. The ag was very helpful and said this is a well known issue in the state. She accepted my case and now jeep has to fix it or we go to arbitration. $65k for a jeep that doesn’t work as promised and we’re expected to complete 5-7 ish oil changes a winter is a tough pill to swallow.
Get the Mopar front cover.
The first winter we had the Wrangler 4xe , while in FORM the oil life went from 60% to 0% on a trip of 25 miles. We had the oil changed and had an analysis done on the old oil. The analysis showed a high level of gasoline contamination. In our case, it looks like indicating a oil change was the right thing for the software to do.
Similar experience. Jeep said nothing is wrong with it. Right. Also didn't want to cover the oil changes during warranty. The oil system cannot test for fuel in the oil. I ran in FORM for 1,500 miles and analysis showed fuel in the oil. Class action is targeting all of this. Jeep will lose and they should.
Simple solution. Get the Mopar Winter Front cover for about 225 Canadian. I live in frigid Ontario and this solved the issue. It gets the oil temp up rapidly especially in E Save mode and no rapid Oil Life drop. Case closed.
@@tml184 I wish the grill had built in shutters.
We bought our 24 Willys at the end of November and so far we have dodged a bullet (knock on wood) with all the recalls and FORM issues. We live in Northern CA with fairly mild Winters. Also, CA has different additives to gasoline than other states, not sure if that could be a factor. So far, so good and we love the 4xe.
Just had a oil change in late Nov and everything was good, no form. BUT the past week or more we have had some really cold temps, at one point it was -24c with wind chill, 2023 4XE wrangler was in form and could not get it out. I have had very few KMs since the oil change. I checked my oil life yesterday afternoon and it was 0%, basically it went from around 92% to 0% in the matter of a week or 2. I am big on checking my oil regularly, oil is the life blood of your Jeep so I even physically pull the dip stick and check it manually (its the way i was raised i guess). So i had to reset the oil change. If you are doing this, make sure you do check the actual oil, just to make sure!!!
@@evilnememsis This is a great example of what I don’t understand about FORM. Why some Jeeps jump in to FORM instead of EMTU is a mystery to me.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Does not happen to me in summer so it must be directly related to outside temps. I'm in Newfoundland, Canada. It can get really cold here sometimes.
@@evilnememsis The cold changes how the software determines oil dilution is happening.
When I had 95B recall done Jan 13 2025, they changed the oil (it was 200km within needing a change), it went into FORM the next day, just this morning I got change oil warning, the weather ranged from the recall date to today was - 15c to -44c with a wind chill. I wish jeep would fix FORM once and for all.
I have a strategy to combat FORM that has worked for me this Winter. After the 95B recall my 4Xe went into FORM 2 days later. I drove the Jeep, using the Manual shift, keeping the revs above 3000 rpm, until the oil temperature remained above 190F/88C for thirty minutes. This clearded FORM in one day. Please note that I cannot get the oil temperature that high by running it in Drive or D. Since then I have used the same method to raise the oil temperature to 190F/88C for several minutes, every time the ICE runs on startup. After reaching 190F/88C for several mintes I shift it back to Drive, or D, for the rest of the day. The temeratures here in Southern Ontario, Canada have ranged from -3F/-20C to close to 32F/0C, since the recall. I have not gone into FORM since clearing it after the 95B recall in mid-December. My oil life is over 80% and my last oil change was in November.. I am unsure if Jeep recommends my method, but it works for me!
Thank you. My 2024 4xe just went into FORM and your strategy worked
That bug been there since 2022 at least. Never was an issues on my first winter but start after a TSB software update to help prevent FORM. Drop to 0% 8-9x per winter for 3 out lf 4 winter. One of the main reason why i trade it in. FORM and Oil drop.
I parked mine on Friday and went on a weekend trip. Was at 45% when I left. Turned it on today and it was at 0%. It didn’t move… it’s at the dealer and was told that the oil was low. It had been driven 2000 miles since the last changed. I asked if there was a sign of a leak and was told no. So where did the oil go? I should note that this happened to me last year and they resolved it with a software update.
@@coreykonnick5676 Was the oil level low? Or was it the percentage on the dash?
@@Wrangler4XEFans Well I suppose that’s where the story gets fun. I am the original owner of this 21 wrangler. This same issue happened last year and was resolved with a software update.
When I parked it on Friday, oil life was about 45%. When I started it today, oil life was 0%. I immediately called the dealership and got it right in.
The dealership called me and told me the oil was low and that I needed an oil change. I approved the oil change.
When they called me to let me know the vehicle was ready, I pressed the dealership a little more. I asked if there was a leak or anything that caused the oil to be low and was not given any answers.
I went to pick up the vehicle and pressed some more.
Begin the Q&A:
Q: So the oil was low, was there a leak?
A: No, it wasn’t low, but it needed to be changed.
Q: So the oil was already bad after 2,000 miles?
A: Actually it didn’t look that bad, but these vehicles are very sensitive to oil condition so it needed to be changed. (My interpretation: The vehicle said it needed an oil change, so we did an oil change.)
At this point the Q&A kind of fell apart and I was given every dealership excuse under the sun. “If you don’t use the exact right type of oil with all the right additives it will cause issues.” “It should be good now, but keep an eye on it.”
At the end of it all, they gave me a discount on the oil change.
What I took away from this experience is this. The oil isn’t leaking. The oil looked ok. We’re not sure why it’s telling you that you need an oil change already, but it is, so that’s what we did. Keep an eye on it.
Timeline of the vehicle:
November 5 (approx 41,000 miles on the odometer - Oil change
December 13 - Jeep dropped off at the dealership due to failure of the hybrid system.
January 10 - Jeep picked up after hybrid battery was replaced.
January 27 - (approx 43,250 miles on the odometer) - Jeep oil life at 0%
At the end of the day, I am thankful they got me right in, but I’d appreciate more transparency. Tell me that you’re not sure what is going on, that you have me an oil change at cost, and that I should keep an eye on it.
@ This is a software issue that we need to get @Jeep to hear about. I have communicated with Blair on the Jeep PR team about this. I would invite you to send a message to the Jeep Facebook Page and address it to Blair. Write this exact story in that message.
I will be happy to send Blair a message later today as well as open another case with Jeep Cares.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Submitted and response received.
Thank you for sending in your vehicle experience. We appreciate your valued feedback. Should you need extra support alongside the dealership for your next visit, please send our team a private message, and we would be happy to connect you with a case manager.
Blair
Jeep Cares
BMW’s x5e has a DI engine also. It’s 6cyl though, and I was able to verify that BMW has a similar engine treatment to FORM. But I eavesdropped on two BMW forums over the last month, and dont see anyone complaining about similar engine behavior. Maybe the 2.0 is too small to get to temp vs. the BMW 6cyl. Maybe Jeep needs to add oil heaters on the 4xes. They already have two electric heaters. What’s a third?
I purchased my 4xe in October 2024, but I haven't been able to use the battery since then. A week after buying the vehicle, I received a recall notice that prevented me from charging the battery until it was repaired, which happened in late December. During that time, my vehicle went into a state called FORM, which warned me that it had zero oil and needed an oil change. This issue occurred twice. Thankfully, the second time, I was already scheduled to bring the car in for the recall repair.
A week after the recall repair, the vehicle returned to FORM, again not allowing me to use the battery, despite it having a 100% charge. It also indicated that there was zero oil and needed another oil change. I’m on my 3rd oil change in 3 months.
I would never have purchased this 4xe if I knew I would face all this with a brand new vehicle. You can't tell me this is normal behavior for a vehicle, and that consumers should have to put up with it. Jeep needs to abandon this concept until they can get it straight for normal users.
I already regret buying my 4xe ! How can Jeep shove this crap on us? I wish I had my 2020 Rubicon I traded in on the piece of crap i have now !!!!
@@robertzimmerman3980 I'm trying to work with my dealer to get out of this mess already. I've visited my dealer more times in the last three months than in the last twenty years.
@@JohnPriceJNPMusic I think the Direct Injection engine was the wrong choice for a parallel hybrid.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Agree. I really love Jeep Wranglers, and this is my third one. However, I'm not having a great experience with this purchase.
@ I totally get it. It’s frustrating.
When this happens, should the cost change be covered by Jeep, or be paid by the customer? My last oil change was just 1000 miles ago, and when I sent my car to the Jeep dealer for 95B recall, they changed the oil, which may be related to FORM. However I live in California and the lowest temperature is above 30F. I myself did not experience any FORM. But anyway, they used my pre-purchased maintenance plan quota purchased when I bought the car for the oil change without communicating with me ahead. I am very upset with that.
@@kenz7648 Why did they change the oil if it wasn’t in FORM?
@@Wrangler4XEFans cuz they want to earn the maintenance money
Its time for a lawsuit and make jeep buy this crap back....I think we gave jeep enough time to fix this issues... we have to deal that we are upside down on our loans plus this bs form factor and recalls..enough is enough....
@@iridium58 I’m with you , Jeep should buy this piece of crap back from us ! I wish i had my 2020 Rubicon back now that I traded in on this piece of crap 4xe !!!!!
I’ve had enough as well. Sick paying for $100 oil changes every few hundred miles among other things. (Many) other things 😢
Hey quick question for you? I took my Jeep in for the 95B recall. “It passed” I drove it for a couple days and the MIL came on and drives like a stick shift with someone who doesnt know how to work a clutch.
Had it towed in to the dealership and they aren’t going to be even able to look at it for 2 days. Who did you contact to get a rental? I have a 2021 and my Jeep Cares has run out
@@rxtu7367 +1 (844) 533-7928
@@rxtu7367 Once they decide (officially) that it’s the hybrid battery, they should open a case. Get that case number and call that number. They’ll want you to put it on your credit card and reimburse you. They’ll say there’s a $55 dollar a day limit. Just tell them you can’t get a comparable vehicle for $55 a day.
@ Thank you so much for the quick reply! Also, I know you’ve been tracking the trouble codes, mine was P0DAB -Hybrid/EV battery cell balance performance. 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4xe, about 23,800 miles on the ODO.
@ I’m convinced every 21 will end up with a new battery.
@@Wrangler4XEFans So sad… they could have made this a quality vehicle. Hopefully they make things right but you and I know their track record unfortunately.
I just cieared mine for the 7th time today drove around 50 miles. i have 7600 miles i have changed the oil 5 times.
@@wadeaustin993 Wow!
You probably don't go into FORM because you take the highway a lot.
@@tml184 I don’t get on the highway much at all. Mostly short trips around town.
@@Wrangler4XEFans Strange then. Short trips in winter is a killer for FORM. It's strange that you got the first 4XE in North America and yet you haven't had the problems that most of us have had. Just lucky?