Nice thing is that this gun will never get worn out. It either doesn't run long enough, or it will be routinely returned to get repaired and always be a "new" gun. 😂 Hard pass for me. Even at 80% reliability. A $3K firearm should be 100% flawless.
It really should, thats why i used the Car analogue, Cars cost even more money than this gun does, and they can have problems pop up that aren't expected, you just have to address them one at a time, and why i gave it my final verdict of "Range toy" because its not ready to be used for anything more serious (Atleast this one isnt, Results may vary.)
Money doesn’t equal reliability and never has. This is a completely US made reverse engineer by one guy. It will take time to make it perfect. Sig Sauer has thousands of employees and has a higher failure rate with launches and no one really bats an eye.
@@calebfuller9591Yep, and Tommy has way better customer support than any manufacturer. The problem is, he doesn't bother with PR or marketing, because he's basically a one man show. He does low volume, high margins and supports his customer to the ends of the earth. It suits him, and he clearly finds success in his venture. But this launch gained so much attention over the past 6 months, a lot of people are coping with the combined disappointment of missing a chance to own a unicorn, and not knowing the first thing about Tom Bostic or his insane contributions to the gun world. So they instead enjoy the schadenfreude and sagely make comments about how they're glad they didn't waste their money on it. As if they even had a snowball's chance of buying one.
People talk shit but I own a few Keltec’s granted had a problem with 1 or 2 but keltec fixed them and now they’ve been 100% and the other thing there affordable,I’d be to scared to buy this thing cause you ain’t ever selling it and getting your money back ever lol
The issue I'm having is the excuse that "It's a one man shop!" That's makes the issues worse in my opinion. He should have tested every single gun sent out with all four types personally if it's that small of an operation. Once you switch from gunsmith to manufacturer you NEED to hold yourself to a higher standard. Rushing to ship new products never works out.
i'm suprised to this part 2, great video, very scientific on types of ammo and accuracy. I already saw a video of a mp7 with the charging problem Its a common thing
@@WVGunsNGoats I had ordered a stock for it and he was going to ship it all together, so the delay seems to have been related to getting those in stock
@@WVGunsNGoats it's not that people don't like goats, but maybe not together with their in depth firearm videos and reviews? But I'm just some schmuck on UA-cam, so I'm not speaking for humanity or anything here.
Glad yours is going better! Mine started having some more issues (after I touted as mine having zero issues, which it did at first). Regardless, Tom sent me a new bolt, takedown pins, and front end cap! Can’t wait to try it out now! One thing I did after a while, was after every mag, I would spray the chamber with dry lube. The gun would shoot flawless until the next mag. I’m hoping the new bolt he sent me will alleviate me from having to do this. Otherwise, I’ll likely try a light coat of lube on all the ammo, as I’ve done for other finicky guns. I still love mine, regardless of issues I’m working through. My G36 runs like a sewing machine, so I entrust some of the growing pains will subside with time. Just like cars I’ve had with recalls, it sucks, but if you want the car, you have to manage!
I would read up on why you shouldn’t use lubricant on ammunition, before you do again, its not advised as it can cause its own problems. I feel that these guns will eventually get straightened out and working since this one came back fixed but, i think it should have had more time to cook first.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ English must not be your strong suit. I said I received new parts to test. From my understanding, some of the bolts may have shipped out of spec. The new pins I received remedied that issue, as did the front cap. Regardless of your opinion (not hands on time), I still feel confident that this machine will work as some kinks are worked out. 782,000 Kia automobiles still sold in 2023, despite having a major security flaw…
I’m curious, just for argument sake, you bought the t7 and sent it in twice and it still comes back with issues, is there anyone else out there that could get it working? There has to be a reputable place that knows HK firearms
I’m glad i didnt buy it but yeah my buddy bought it and sent it back in once, havent sent it in again for the new issues yet, but with Tommybuilt being the manufacturer hes the best person to send it too.
@@WVGunsNGoats I understand sending it back to the manufacturer, but if you don’t want to give it up and sell it because of the issues, after sending it in twice, I would seek out other gunsmiths who could possibly get it going. Not sure about warranties and all that, but it would be worth a shot imo
Oh yeah, I’m very aware, lol. He didn’t like me telling him a 3500.00 gun should work. Also people with issues are Morons who don’t understand tolerances according to him.
@@WVGunsNGoats Tom is also an admin too there so I don't know how he lets his little lackey run around and treat people like that for valid criticism. Just because your product is new and first gen to the market doesn't mean criticism and people doing reviews shouldn't be allowed especially when it's a 3500 dollar gun, without any optics or brace/stock grip anything.
Are the take down pins surrounded by polymer at the friction points, or has he used a steel insert in the polymer? IMO, he should be using steel inserts with an inner ring that seats into a recess in the take down pin when it's fully seated.
@@WVGunsNGoats Yikes. The constant back-and-forth of that aluminum rear block under recoil WILL eventually make the points where the pins pass through the polymer oblong. It's not a matter of "if," but "when." He really needs to consider a redesign of the receiver with metal inserts for the take down pin pass-through points, as well as the suggested pin retention method in my first post. While it is good to hear that he is providing great customer service, it would seem as if he still isn't aware of some engineering flaws that still exist in his design. I hope he continues to iterate on his design, and "make good" with his customers as these issues are addressed. I think it would save him money in the long run if he hired a firearm design engineer to look at his plans and suggest potential fixes to existing flaws; a second set of eyes can be very helpful in seeing things that would otherwise go overlooked.
Don't take this wrong. IMO That gun isn't worth $3,500.00 dollars. Has nothing to do with TommBuilt and being a MP7 Clone. To me spending that kind of money to have clone no matter the producer is just to say I have "A" whatever it may be. I can think of a lot of guns that far surpass that being a Range toy and also the Ammo side of it even pushes me a lot farther away from it. Nice gun, Yes very much so, Cool Yes, fun I am sure it is. This is just me and has nothing to do with other peoples likes and dislikes. I stay on the practical side and have always been one to run from Band Wagons and the likes because most all are money grabbers far exceeding their worth {For Me}. As for me, I would never get $3,500.00 dollars worth of enjoyment out these type of guns. Great video and well done.
You make a lot of valid points! Infact a couple hours after posting the video i felt all the dopamine and excitement for shooting the Mp7 flush out of my body all at once and i was like “eh..its a gun” i have no desire to really shoot it again or own one. The Hype is gone, but as i Said it was fun to shoot when it worked, but i can’t recommend it for anything more than something you buy when you have a spare 3500.00 burning a hole in your pocket.
@@petercristiano4068 Actually he got back to us today, i told my buddy to send him a brand new email, so the other one must have gotten lost, he sent out a brand new bolt today.
For 3,500 why doesn't Tommybuilt make sure they all run near flawlessly with all three or four commercially available rounds rather than messing with the bad publicity and costly return shipping fixing all the T7's that have sold?
Replaced half the parts in the gun and still is not 100%. No thanks. People are not posting videos of theirs working because they dont work. The level of cope from people about this gun is crazy.
@@WVGunsNGoats I feel like them not mentioning all the repair work completed is their way of hiding how much work is needed to get it to run out of the box. I appreciate your honest review. I know this review was not cheap. 👍
Even though it’s extremely expensive, but if you have the coin, I wonder if you pick up a demilled parts kit and then just purchase a reciever from TB, if that would work well and function without issues?
@@petercristiano4068 Possibly. I would love to have one but I have enough project guns. Lol. If this gun were 500-800 I would be more patient of the issues but not at almost 4k.
@@rjw261984 it sucks cause I have all the accessories except the firearm. I put other projects on hold for the t7. I’m just hoping since it’s brand new, the bugs can be worked out. I’ll be patient and don’t have an issue paying the $3500, but it better run
Glad the company treated you so well! It seems like they need a more rigorous testing procedure in the QC department instead of having the customers do all the reliability tests.
@@WVGunsNGoats I'm actually kinda giddy just thinking about how fun it'll be to get one when the quality is up to par with the price. However, at the rate they're going now, full auto will be on the legal menu again and HK will be shipping the original, so Tommybuilt will have a huge competition. 🤣
@@paulis7319We're not anywhere near having the NFA repealed. We've literally taken 3 steps back and 2 steps forward. People forget that all the crap the SCOTUS is overturning didn't exist 2-3 years ago. It's great they're being pushed back, but we've gained zero ground, just minimized the losses. Second, the legality of full auto is not the reason HK won't export the MP7, G36, UMP, etc. They have semi auto only MP7s they sell to the UK police. It's German government regs that prevent export of firearms with 'no sporting purpose.' I believe the MP5/k are old enough to be exempted, or perhaps it's the caliber. But even if the NFA were toppled tomorrow, HK wouldn't export MP7s to anyone intending to sell them to civilians, and demo samples and LEO surplus would still run about the same prices, which are $30-50k. You might see some batches where someone is able to get a batch imported for a legitimate contract and 'accidentally' have some surplus to sell, but I'd guess that'd mean loss of HK dealer status when they figure it out. As for the quality of the T7, mine broke in in 50 rounds, I was able to diagnose and solve all functionality issues I had which were related to it being a small batch polymer receiver and were expected. Anyone speaking negatively about the hiccups and break in period vs price, I welcome them to buy the $20k parts kit off HKParts or gun broker, then send it to Tommy with about $1k for parts and labor and he'll make you a T7 with a bit more hand fitting for you. Or, if you won the lottery on getting one of these 500 units, he'll hand fit it for free if you have problems and ask. People get the misconception that Tommybuilt is like Kel Tec or PSA. It's not. It's primarily one guy who does most of the work himself, and contracts out manufacturing in some cases. I see so many people referring to Tommybuilt as an entity, when people who know anything refer to him as an individual. There's a reason no one else is doing these conversions or attempting a clone correct MP7. It's insanely difficult to reverse engineer/re-engineer and expensive to produce.
Yeah I'm on the 2nd round drop and waiting... nervous now that it's come to light that MAC/copper customs (involved in the hungarian FEG scandal) has their hands in this. It angers me actually, as CC already has a page showing their intent to stock and sell the rifles.. which I'm going to assume they will recieve a batch before anyone else..
I was praising them handling the mess in such a prompt time, and for not holding onto the gun for a couple weeks getting it fixed. It was a very quick turn around time, even if you shouldnt have had to use it in the first place.
We had way less jams that we did originally and the gun actually functions. Which means its working better than it did before, the other issues could have been there originally but i couldnt get through enough rounds sequentially to find them if they existed as we couldnt get through 2-3 rounds without a jam, so we couldnt tell what jams were caused by the primer issue or the extractor issue.
I would put this in the neat and glad that it was brought to market, but at its price point, it just doesnt do anything for me. Be it a tp9 or hk sp5, there are other offerings in the same footprint for a lower buy in price with better reliability.
Some of us have or don't want an SP5K or TP9. Some of us want an MP7 for less than $20k+additional parts and labor, and understand a small batch, reverse engineered gun is going to have hiccups early on.
Tommybuilt is terrible. The “customer service” is only good for influencers and people publicly reviewing the gun. Also the 4.6 isn’t a great round and it’s generally only useful in full auto.
Hey atleast it started functioning better after it was sent back, and i could actually get through whole mags, but i am glad i didnt spend money on it lol
A few observations from a T7 owner who did their research before trying to buy a bespoke $3500 reverse engineered gun from a batch of 500. First of all, this isn't a $3500 gun, it's a $3500 MP7. There's a difference, let me explain it. If you want a PDW, get a PS90, an MP9, MP5K, or even something like a Ruger LC Charger one of Kel Tec's offerings or a PSA MP57 when they release in a few years. If you want an MP7, this is your cheapest option. Period. Your other options are buying a $20k-30k parts kit, which come available from time to time, and then sending it to Tommybuilt where Tom will build you a new T7 receiver, and insert all the non-serialized MP7 factory parts, rigorously hand fitting it. He will also work with you if you run into any issues with it. Your other option is to acquire SOT status, build and maintain a business to justify it, then purchase a post sample of an MP7, which will cost somewhere in the realm of $50k. So, saying you can buy x gun or y gun for $3500 and it works is like someone saying they don't want a Ferrari because their Tesla Model S is faster and more reliable and cost half as much. That's fine. Some people don't want a Tesla. We're also not talking about something that's available. This is equivalent to someone building a clone correct LaFerrari in their garage by hand and selling it for literally 1/10th the price If your dream is owning a LaFerrari, you might just be willing to work with the guy and deal with some break down or break in issues if it cost you $200k rather than $2million. (fun fact, there were 499 LaFerraris made. That's one fewer than the T7.) One of the main issues I see with this is, it's Tom's first attempt at a production run of more than a few dozen. I believe he did two runs of 250, but he might have done one run of 500, and sold them in two batches. Either way, this is all we're getting for the foreseeable future. His limiting factor was HK gas blocks, because it's one of the few parts he's importing for it. Most of it he's hired out for small batches of parts for bolts, carriers, firing pins, etc. not to mention the receiver, whose complexity is the obvious cause of the malfunctions/extended break in period. As a primarily one man operation, he can't hand fit 250 guns and get them out within the year. He also isn't an operation like PSA, with production facilities, engineers, R&D teams and alternate income streams to fund product development. The cost of a complex mold like the one required for the T7 is likely around the $100k mark, possibly more. If he made multiple molds, do the math. That's a lot to offset for a year or two while you polish up your production run. Even more of a stretch when you consider that he's guaranteed 500 units, and no more unless he finds a way to manufacture gas blocks domestically. As for why none of us who have working guns have uploaded videos, some have. Some are in short form content, some aren't on UA-cam, but you have to remember that there are 500 units. 500 people have this gun, so a 1% upload rate and 1% failure rate are both plausible. I have several videos of my gun functioning, but I value my privacy and have them in an unlisted location. I'll link them here, because I do feel strongly that the current selection of videos don't necessarily represent the average experience. Short of the initial 50 rounds break in. imgur.com/2T8PpT7 imgur.com/asOfefm imgur.com/1AqsIPo Let me describe my break in period. First, I fully expected this gun to be hand built. I was actually surprised with how quickly mine wore in initially. Granted, it did what I always do, cleaned and oiled the gun and then dry cycled it for probably 100 cycles before I ever shot it. The first 50 rounds of ammo finished the break in. The one hiccup I ran into was a ruptured primer on the S&B getting in the bolt and jamming it closed, like was shown here. This only happened once and only with the S&B, so I feel confident that's an ammo issue, not a gun issue. After my break in period, I sent it to Tommy with a concern over one tolerance between the carrier and the HK end plate. He widened it for me and sent it back a day later. I consider most guns to be broken in at around 200-500 rounds. Up to that point, I expect some tolerance related issues like failure to feed, extract, eject, stovepipes, etc. If I encounter these after the 500 round mark, I consider it to be an issue. After 100 rounds and a trip back to Tommy, I've had fewer malfunctions than my P365 XL Specter (a SIG 'custom shop' gun that cost around a grand) but seeing as that gun is under 200 rounds as well, I don't expect anything else from it. Guns are machines, machines have tolerances, tolerances open under use. Everything has a break in period, from your car to your generator to your $4k 2011. Sometimes the company will run some sort of break in for you, if they assume the client isn't responsible or knowledgable enough to do it themselves. This isn't a merit of the cost of the item, it's more a company specific decision. Some people don't want a gun with 500 rounds through it from the factory. Some do. As for what caused these rough edges, it's due to the T7 being a clone correct copy of the MP7, a German masterpiece that they developed starting in 1989 and finally released in 2003. Tom took this gun, reverse engineered it piece by piece and spent years testing and iterating on it. The most complex aspect is the monolithic polymer receiver. It has metal reinforcements and bearing surfaces molded in place in the frame, and while I'm sure HK took advantage of their decade of development time to automate the process of injection molding and precisely trimming the flashing from the inside of the receiver, Tom didn't have that option without ballooning the price to something closer to a parts kit build. The price you pay for that 90% discount is having a gun that jams for the first 50-100 rounds. I'll now detail my experience with Tom Bostic. It's been the best customer service I've ever received. First contact was after my range day at 6pm on a Saturday. He emailed back within 10 min offering to send me a new bolt or a shipping label when I relayed my issue with the bolt jamming closed from the primer. I accepted the replacement parts but ended up sending them back when I sent the gun in for him to check over a week later after my break in was complete. As I said, he turned my gun around in a day and got it back to me within a week. Here are my thoughts on the gun, why it's got issues, whether the issues should or could have been addressed prior to launch. I have no inside knowledge of Tommybuilt, nor do I own any of his conversions. I, like many, saw this as a rare chance to get a unicorn and jumped at it. I feel lucky to be one of the few people who got one, and luckier still to have one that was an easy break in. My background is in aerospace engineering, and I've got several products and ideas I'd like to bring to market at smaller scales. This launch/reception is basically my worst nightmare from that standpoint. I don't think Tom intentionally sent out lemons, just like he clearly didn't plan for the website to crash back in May. He said that they stress tested the site with 20k visitors the week before launch, and it handled it fine. But at 7:50 that Friday, 200k people were attempting to access the T7 sale page. The site was automatically taken down by the host as a DDoS attack, and it took them 30 min to restore it. Upon restoration, 40k-50k people were able to add the T7 to their carts before it sold out in a matter of minutes. Reminder, there were 500 units total, I believe around 150-250 units were sold that first batch based on stock numbers shown. My serial number is under 250, but later in the numbers, which I believe is partly why my unit broke in easier. Remember what I said about machinery requiring a break in? That applies to injection molds as well. I know for a fact he molded the RAL8k receivers first, which likely explains the loose pins and some of the other issues exhibited in the few YT vids available. My thoughts on the reception are as follows: A lot of people are just becoming aware of Tommybuilt within the last 6 months. It seems few of those people know of his work, his reputation for customer support, or what I would call reasonable expectations for what is essentially a coach built firearm. People are also forming their opinions on a 1% sample size of youtubers, one of whom has shown a real disdain for putting any effort into solving any problems he encounters and merely expresses his perceived entitlement due to the price tag of the gun previously only available for $25k-30k. Couple that with the fact that there are around 199,500 people who were interested enough in it to show up to the launch, and around 49,500 who are severely disappointed the weren't able to successfully check out with one. These people seem to be happy to bask in the schadenfreude of watching someone struggle with, and in some cases regret purchasing, a sought after item they missed out on. They're more than happy to make statements about how they're glad they didn't waste their money, or they intended to buy one, but no longer intend to. I once heard someone observe that it's far easier to say "It's bad, I don't want it" than it is to say "I can't afford it" or "I missed the opportunity to buy one." I'd say this phenomenon is on full display here. Due to the number of people disbelieving anyone who defends Tom Bostic, or purports to own a working example of a T7. Even with video evidence, the replies I've received range from 'you only fired x rounds,' 'you only fired one magazine,' 'you're the only person I know of who has one working, therefore, 99% of units failed.' etc, etc. I see these as coping mechanisms to salve the disappointment of a missed opportunity.
Do you have proof that he is only making 500 of them after spending multiple years and lots of money developing it and than having the molds made for the receiver and other parts. There is no indication on his page of this being limited to a 500 run gun, only possibly that the first 500 have German made gas blocks with all other parts being us made, Then after the 500 he will most likely have the gas blocks made in the US for them. Theres no reason to invest all that money into a gun you're only selling 500 of, and then only charging 3500.00 for it if thats the amount of them you are making total. Also theres no numbering system on them (besides the serial number), and I believe he has done numbered releases of all his limited production firearms in the past. Also with the rumors of his parts supplier for the T36 guns cutting ties with him, he will have to continue making the T7 as that would be his only product he has left to produce. And if hes only ever producing 500, then there would have been much more of a perogative to make sure that they all function 100% since its such a limited number. Also, you say yours had a pierced primer issue as well, That makes three of these guns with pierced primers as i know another guy who's gun had an issue with primer remnants ending up in the firing pin channel and locking it up, so that could possibly be more of a gun issue with multiple people running into it.
Tommy’s words. He left the door open to making more in the future, but nothing certain. He had 500 gas blocks for this first run, subsequent runs subject to him getting more gas blocks. He did mention potentially making gas blocks domestically. But he mentioned it as a possibility rather than a certainty. As I said, Tommy does low numbers and high margins, which is just basic business practice. Price out most of the demand, so you can keep up with it. That’s why I don’t think he really cares so much what the average redditor thinks about it and doesn’t do any PR. He takes care of his customers, whose testimony bring in enough new customers so he doesn’t need to pander to the masses. As for parts suppliers, I heard that he just switched to a new supplier, which would likely cover the T7 and his other conversions. For small batch parts like this, it’s likely just some machine shop with a 5 axis CNC he can give a CAD file/drawing to. I think the $3500 price makes him profitable with 500 units. If he got two molds for a total of $200k, that’s $400 per unit to offset it. Injection molding itself is cheap, then a grand to get the parts machined, labor for assembly and he’s got decent profit margins. I think he didn’t anticipate the demand being as high as it was/is. He has also mentioned doing a preorder period after the final sale of the first batch, to gauge interest and get a hard number on how many he needs. That would offset or justify the cost of setting up production and QA. He can leave the price the same and have even better margins on any further batches that he can produce. This is also his first run of more than a dozen or so guns, to my knowledge so he’s obviously learning from it. As for making sure they all worked, I don’t think the number that had serious issues is as high as people think. That or people aren’t shooting them, which is a possibility. They’re selling for between $6k and $10k on Gunbroker, which indicates demand is still high. Even with more production runs in the future. I don’t ever see him meeting the total demand. As for the primer, I had it happen once with S&B and have since mainly been shooting Fiocchi, so I’d argue it’s either entirely on the S&B primers, or split blame between soft primers and a long firing pin. I’m not a gun smith though.
Hey, i shot an email to Tommy, he says they ran 500 to start and plan on running more parts to continue production, so it sounds like a standard offering now, do you still have your brass from shooting with the new bolt head, could you take a pic of the primers on your spent brass, the ones that i have show obvious signs of cratering which leads me to believe there may be a tolerance issue between the size of the firing pin and the firing pin hole that the primer material is flowing in to. I can send a photo if you can supply an email address, it would be interesting to see of the brass you have with your new bolt head exhibits the same signs.
@@WVGunsNGoatsI’d assume that’s dictated by gas block availability, rather than being something anyone can buy from his site on a whim. That’s been my impression when I looked at buying his stuff prior to the T7. Either send him a base gun and commission one, or get lucky when he puts up a small batch. I did see he put the T7 survey back up, which implies he either sourced more blocks, or is trying to gauge interest to start manufacturing them. Still, I don’t see him being able to meet demand unless he full on sets up a production facility. But still, I’m all for him making more. I have friends who want one, and more units means more fixes. Maybe we’ll get the opportunity to upgrade to a T7A1 in a year or two that fixes any latent or recurring issues that might crop up. I’m happy so far though. My break in was shorter than I expected, so the T7 is in my bag carry gun lineup now. I didn’t pick up my brass, so I’ll try to remember to grab some next time I go out there to shoot. I’d relay your concern to Tommy, he’d probably send you a new bolt, if he hasn’t already replaced it. Might also be the firing pin.
This was some good info. The more the better. As I’ve stated before on this channel, I have eveything but the firearm. I’m already in prob 2k. I want the t7 but am trying to navigate whether to wait or not. So that 500 unit claim comes into play as well. I’m sure people are going to get this regardless especially at retail, instead of paying double on GB. All that said, I’m not a collector and actually want to use this whether just for fun or doing a serious class. Any input would be helpful as to jumping on one asap or to wait until bugs are worked out and pray he goes past the 500 unit mark. Thanks to all the level headed guys talking all this out instead of the bs crap talk. I’ll keep my eyes open for more info as well. Take care fellas
I mean… you’re the beta tester… people should expect this on the first iteration of a product from a small shop who can’t afford large data testing… as long as the shop supports and fixes the bugs you find, the goal is being achieved which is collecting real world data inputs and responding to them to create a better output
The reason you saw some take up for Tom so much is because he backs his products 150% and has the best customer service. There has been plenty of working videos only 6-8 people with videos of issues.
Yes i addressed the experience with his customer service, however like i said in my video if people had come out an posted a video of their T7 working as a contrast to the not working ones, a lot of the discourse could have been avoided.
Tommy is a fraud. He knowingly builds junk, takes people hard earned money . He then wants you to send it back and "Fix it" . This should have been done before it left . I know poeple want a mp7 , but this is a clone. If you really want the real thing , Spend the money and get the forms and you can have one.
Nice thing is that this gun will never get worn out. It either doesn't run long enough, or it will be routinely returned to get repaired and always be a "new" gun. 😂 Hard pass for me. Even at 80% reliability. A $3K firearm should be 100% flawless.
It really should, thats why i used the Car analogue, Cars cost even more money than this gun does, and they can have problems pop up that aren't expected, you just have to address them one at a time, and why i gave it my final verdict of "Range toy" because its not ready to be used for anything more serious (Atleast this one isnt, Results may vary.)
Money doesn’t equal reliability and never has. This is a completely US made reverse engineer by one guy. It will take time to make it perfect. Sig Sauer has thousands of employees and has a higher failure rate with launches and no one really bats an eye.
@@calebfuller9591Yep, and Tommy has way better customer support than any manufacturer. The problem is, he doesn't bother with PR or marketing, because he's basically a one man show. He does low volume, high margins and supports his customer to the ends of the earth. It suits him, and he clearly finds success in his venture. But this launch gained so much attention over the past 6 months, a lot of people are coping with the combined disappointment of missing a chance to own a unicorn, and not knowing the first thing about Tom Bostic or his insane contributions to the gun world. So they instead enjoy the schadenfreude and sagely make comments about how they're glad they didn't waste their money on it. As if they even had a snowball's chance of buying one.
I’m glad to see yours is working
Kel-tec quality at an HK price.
I'd argue their quality is worse than kel tec and that's sad
People talk shit but I own a few Keltec’s granted had a problem with 1 or 2 but keltec fixed them and now they’ve been 100% and the other thing there affordable,I’d be to scared to buy this thing cause you ain’t ever selling it and getting your money back ever lol
Yeah Kel Tecs Quality is substantially better than this crap 💯 only Kel Tecs I've seen have real problems are Tinkered with 😅
@OHCA-p5c That same gun goes for 10 times the price today in good condition.
Glad they fixed the problem. Great video.
Thanks 👍 I appreciate it!
I like that Tommy Built is a pioneer in this space, but a lot of their firearms do get poor reviews for reliability and are relegated to "Range Toys."
Exactly what i was thinking, Range Toy. Could buy a Airsoft Mp7 if you want one to look at.
The issue I'm having is the excuse that "It's a one man shop!" That's makes the issues worse in my opinion. He should have tested every single gun sent out with all four types personally if it's that small of an operation.
Once you switch from gunsmith to manufacturer you NEED to hold yourself to a higher standard. Rushing to ship new products never works out.
I agree! And with such a small amount of ammo on the market it should be much easier, not talking about 5.56 or 9mm here with multiple tens of loads.
@@WVGunsNGoatsBig Facts 💯
I knew it was those take down pins giving to much play to the Group when they get Ran Fast .... That mask chick figured that out already 😅
i'm suprised to this part 2, great video, very scientific on types of ammo and accuracy. I already saw a video of a mp7 with the charging problem Its a common thing
Thank you for the kind words, i wanted to make sure i covered things in this video, as i said i hope the people with problems can get theirs fixed.
tom just sent mine back, hopefully mine works too, if it has any more problems I'll just fix them myself
I hope it works for you when it comes back, Maybe hes had it this long to make sure its extra good?
@@WVGunsNGoats I had ordered a stock for it and he was going to ship it all together, so the delay seems to have been related to getting those in stock
Sounds like you’ll have it this coming week though, interested in seeing how it functions.
@@WVGunsNGoats Yup we will make a vid!
@@MugiChankawaii man I think you really Found something with those Takedown pin and the Tolerances and Flex Causing Carrier issues or Tilt ....😜👌
This is a very odd mix of like, public access TV and gun tube. The goat videos......... Odd
Who doesn’t like some cute goats though?
@@WVGunsNGoats it's not that people don't like goats, but maybe not together with their in depth firearm videos and reviews? But I'm just some schmuck on UA-cam, so I'm not speaking for humanity or anything here.
@@WVGunsNGoatsit's completely off topic and wastes people's time.
Whats the name of the channel?
@@SmokeNGunsBBQif there were no goats it would be false advertising!
The Tom Bostic defense force has been working overtime since this thing came out lol.
Even worse than the JIDF LOL
Hard pass. This dude doesn't deserve anyone's hard earned money. He sent all those garbage firearms knowing they didn't work.
I've got great news for you, you never had a chance to buy one anyway! So it's good you 'chose' not to 😂
@neobaggins3718 why? I can own any weapon I desire.
@@neobaggins3718 lol, keep playing your little video games. It sounds like your projecting. YOU could never own one.
@@bobbyblair6862and in case you’re wondering, yeah, it runs like dream.
i.imgur.com/asOfefm.mp4
@@neobaggins3718 How would know?
If not Hk I don't want it and this is why.
Glad yours is going better! Mine started having some more issues (after I touted as mine having zero issues, which it did at first). Regardless, Tom sent me a new bolt, takedown pins, and front end cap! Can’t wait to try it out now!
One thing I did after a while, was after every mag, I would spray the chamber with dry lube. The gun would shoot flawless until the next mag. I’m hoping the new bolt he sent me will alleviate me from having to do this. Otherwise, I’ll likely try a light coat of lube on all the ammo, as I’ve done for other finicky guns.
I still love mine, regardless of issues I’m working through. My G36 runs like a sewing machine, so I entrust some of the growing pains will subside with time. Just like cars I’ve had with recalls, it sucks, but if you want the car, you have to manage!
I would read up on why you shouldn’t use lubricant on ammunition, before you do again, its not advised as it can cause its own problems. I feel that these guns will eventually get straightened out and working since this one came back fixed but, i think it should have had more time to cook first.
Unreal you accept that just to have a plastic shell gun to larp.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ English must not be your strong suit. I said I received new parts to test. From my understanding, some of the bolts may have shipped out of spec. The new pins I received remedied that issue, as did the front cap. Regardless of your opinion (not hands on time), I still feel confident that this machine will work as some kinks are worked out. 782,000 Kia automobiles still sold in 2023, despite having a major security flaw…
I’m curious, just for argument sake, you bought the t7 and sent it in twice and it still comes back with issues, is there anyone else out there that could get it working? There has to be a reputable place that knows HK firearms
I’m glad i didnt buy it but yeah my buddy bought it and sent it back in once, havent sent it in again for the new issues yet, but with Tommybuilt being the manufacturer hes the best person to send it too.
@@WVGunsNGoats I understand sending it back to the manufacturer, but if you don’t want to give it up and sell it because of the issues, after sending it in twice, I would seek out other gunsmiths who could possibly get it going. Not sure about warranties and all that, but it would be worth a shot imo
The T7 facebook ground is run by some dude who has a power trip and some monetary interest in the T7, so any criticism is instantly deleted.
Oh yeah, I’m very aware, lol. He didn’t like me telling him a 3500.00 gun should work. Also people with issues are Morons who don’t understand tolerances according to him.
@@WVGunsNGoats Tom is also an admin too there so I don't know how he lets his little lackey run around and treat people like that for valid criticism. Just because your product is new and first gen to the market doesn't mean criticism and people doing reviews shouldn't be allowed especially when it's a 3500 dollar gun, without any optics or brace/stock grip anything.
@@Metalgearmadnessbecause it's a swindle, not a long term product they care about. People have short memories.
Glad to see it is working for you now 11:58
Are the take down pins surrounded by polymer at the friction points, or has he used a steel insert in the polymer?
IMO, he should be using steel inserts with an inner ring that seats into a recess in the take down pin when it's fully seated.
No, they were just polymer on the sides of the receiver passing through an aluminum rear block.
@@WVGunsNGoats Yikes. The constant back-and-forth of that aluminum rear block under recoil WILL eventually make the points where the pins pass through the polymer oblong. It's not a matter of "if," but "when."
He really needs to consider a redesign of the receiver with metal inserts for the take down pin pass-through points, as well as the suggested pin retention method in my first post.
While it is good to hear that he is providing great customer service, it would seem as if he still isn't aware of some engineering flaws that still exist in his design. I hope he continues to iterate on his design, and "make good" with his customers as these issues are addressed.
I think it would save him money in the long run if he hired a firearm design engineer to look at his plans and suggest potential fixes to existing flaws; a second set of eyes can be very helpful in seeing things that would otherwise go overlooked.
Don't take this wrong. IMO That gun isn't worth $3,500.00 dollars. Has nothing to do with TommBuilt and being a MP7 Clone. To me spending that kind of money to have clone no matter the producer is just to say I have "A" whatever it may be. I can think of a lot of guns that far surpass that being a Range toy and also the Ammo side of it even pushes me a lot farther away from it. Nice gun, Yes very much so, Cool Yes, fun I am sure it is. This is just me and has nothing to do with other peoples likes and dislikes. I stay on the practical side and have always been one to run from Band Wagons and the likes because most all are money grabbers far exceeding their worth {For Me}. As for me, I would never get $3,500.00 dollars worth of enjoyment out these type of guns. Great video and well done.
You make a lot of valid points! Infact a couple hours after posting the video i felt all the dopamine and excitement for shooting the Mp7 flush out of my body all at once and i was like “eh..its a gun” i have no desire to really shoot it again or own one. The Hype is gone, but as i
Said it was fun to shoot when it worked, but i can’t recommend it for anything more than something you buy when you have a spare 3500.00 burning a hole in your pocket.
Ive watched a lot of videos on this gun, they never come back fixed...
Thats ok, now tommy isnt emailing my buddy back.
How long has it been since last correspondence? And what issue was occurring ? Thanks
@@petercristiano4068 Actually he got back to us today, i told my buddy to send him a brand new email, so the other one must have gotten lost, he sent out a brand new bolt today.
@@WVGunsNGoats oh that’s good news. As long as he’s addressing the issues.
Still not reliable enough for me.
Nope, Still needs work, but if you're only shooting at a range, you can take all the time you want to fix it if it has an issue.
For 3,500 why doesn't Tommybuilt make sure they all run near flawlessly with all three or four commercially available rounds rather than messing with the bad publicity and costly return shipping fixing all the T7's that have sold?
Replaced half the parts in the gun and still is not 100%. No thanks. People are not posting videos of theirs working because they dont work. The level of cope from people about this gun is crazy.
Yeah, lots of people are posting “Mine works great” but then you ask them to post a video “Oh i uhhh don’t wanna post my gun online”
@@WVGunsNGoats I feel like them not mentioning all the repair work completed is their way of hiding how much work is needed to get it to run out of the box. I appreciate your honest review. I know this review was not cheap. 👍
Even though it’s extremely expensive, but if you have the coin, I wonder if you pick up a demilled parts kit and then just purchase a reciever from TB, if that would work well and function without issues?
@@petercristiano4068 Possibly. I would love to have one but I have enough project guns. Lol. If this gun were 500-800 I would be more patient of the issues but not at almost 4k.
@@rjw261984 it sucks cause I have all the accessories except the firearm. I put other projects on hold for the t7. I’m just hoping since it’s brand new, the bugs can be worked out. I’ll be patient and don’t have an issue paying the $3500, but it better run
Glad the company treated you so well! It seems like they need a more rigorous testing procedure in the QC department instead of having the customers do all the reliability tests.
I totally agree! I think some day these will be working fine, but then you have examples like tylers who went back and came back worse.
@@WVGunsNGoats I'm actually kinda giddy just thinking about how fun it'll be to get one when the quality is up to par with the price. However, at the rate they're going now, full auto will be on the legal menu again and HK will be shipping the original, so Tommybuilt will have a huge competition. 🤣
@@paulis7319We're not anywhere near having the NFA repealed. We've literally taken 3 steps back and 2 steps forward. People forget that all the crap the SCOTUS is overturning didn't exist 2-3 years ago. It's great they're being pushed back, but we've gained zero ground, just minimized the losses. Second, the legality of full auto is not the reason HK won't export the MP7, G36, UMP, etc. They have semi auto only MP7s they sell to the UK police. It's German government regs that prevent export of firearms with 'no sporting purpose.' I believe the MP5/k are old enough to be exempted, or perhaps it's the caliber. But even if the NFA were toppled tomorrow, HK wouldn't export MP7s to anyone intending to sell them to civilians, and demo samples and LEO surplus would still run about the same prices, which are $30-50k. You might see some batches where someone is able to get a batch imported for a legitimate contract and 'accidentally' have some surplus to sell, but I'd guess that'd mean loss of HK dealer status when they figure it out.
As for the quality of the T7, mine broke in in 50 rounds, I was able to diagnose and solve all functionality issues I had which were related to it being a small batch polymer receiver and were expected. Anyone speaking negatively about the hiccups and break in period vs price, I welcome them to buy the $20k parts kit off HKParts or gun broker, then send it to Tommy with about $1k for parts and labor and he'll make you a T7 with a bit more hand fitting for you. Or, if you won the lottery on getting one of these 500 units, he'll hand fit it for free if you have problems and ask.
People get the misconception that Tommybuilt is like Kel Tec or PSA. It's not. It's primarily one guy who does most of the work himself, and contracts out manufacturing in some cases. I see so many people referring to Tommybuilt as an entity, when people who know anything refer to him as an individual. There's a reason no one else is doing these conversions or attempting a clone correct MP7. It's insanely difficult to reverse engineer/re-engineer and expensive to produce.
@@neobaggins3718 Winning the lottery is not out of the question as long as I keep buying tickets every once in a while. 🤣
As the beastie boys once said “Like Lotto, you gotta be in it to win”
I got banned from a few suppressor pages for calling out BS claims that this thing runs.
For real? Some people are wayyy to invested
@@WVGunsNGoats ego is a thing
Sure is, and from guys who arent even personally invested in it.
Stg44 preorders from dk productions completely filled up at 6.2k. TB shouldve just increased the price and done it right
Yeah I'm on the 2nd round drop and waiting... nervous now that it's come to light that MAC/copper customs (involved in the hungarian FEG scandal) has their hands in this. It angers me actually, as CC already has a page showing their intent to stock and sell the rifles.. which I'm going to assume they will recieve a batch before anyone else..
Give a shot out? They should fix the mess THEY made
I was praising them handling the mess in such a prompt time, and for not holding onto the gun for a couple weeks getting it fixed. It was a very quick turn around time, even if you shouldnt have had to use it in the first place.
@@WVGunsNGoatsbut it still jams lol. It is not fixed
We had way less jams that we did originally and the gun actually functions. Which means its working better than it did before, the other issues could have been there originally but i couldnt get through enough rounds sequentially to find them if they existed as we couldnt get through 2-3 rounds without a jam, so we couldnt tell what jams were caused by the primer issue or the extractor issue.
"really blew up" xD calm down bro
I’ll take small victories, lol.
I would put this in the neat and glad that it was brought to market, but at its price point, it just doesnt do anything for me. Be it a tp9 or hk sp5, there are other offerings in the same footprint for a lower buy in price with better reliability.
Some of us have or don't want an SP5K or TP9. Some of us want an MP7 for less than $20k+additional parts and labor, and understand a small batch, reverse engineered gun is going to have hiccups early on.
@@neobaggins3718lol it's trash
Just like buying a highly custom rare car.
Went the ruger 5.7 carbine pistols like 600$ ? Lol
The soft primer issue probably isn't the guns fault. The charging handle is pretty minor and I'm sure it will be sorted eventually.
I have a feeling there is a bit of a tolerance issue between the firing pin and the hole it passes through that is leading to the pierced primers
@@WVGunsNGoats Hard to say, most often in my experience, primer problems are the ammo.
Tommybuilt is terrible. The “customer service” is only good for influencers and people publicly reviewing the gun. Also the 4.6 isn’t a great round and it’s generally only useful in full auto.
Who needs personal experience when you've got Reddit talking points you can copy/paste? 😂
🤦🏻♂️
Hey atleast it started functioning better after it was sent back, and i could actually get through whole mags, but i am glad i didnt spend money on it lol
Just get a B&t and be done with this nonsense
The PSA versions will run better than this junk
mpa 5.7 defenders are better and are dirt cheap 😂 ugly but very ergonomic with the mpa stock form 1
A few observations from a T7 owner who did their research before trying to buy a bespoke $3500 reverse engineered gun from a batch of 500. First of all, this isn't a $3500 gun, it's a $3500 MP7. There's a difference, let me explain it. If you want a PDW, get a PS90, an MP9, MP5K, or even something like a Ruger LC Charger one of Kel Tec's offerings or a PSA MP57 when they release in a few years. If you want an MP7, this is your cheapest option. Period. Your other options are buying a $20k-30k parts kit, which come available from time to time, and then sending it to Tommybuilt where Tom will build you a new T7 receiver, and insert all the non-serialized MP7 factory parts, rigorously hand fitting it. He will also work with you if you run into any issues with it. Your other option is to acquire SOT status, build and maintain a business to justify it, then purchase a post sample of an MP7, which will cost somewhere in the realm of $50k.
So, saying you can buy x gun or y gun for $3500 and it works is like someone saying they don't want a Ferrari because their Tesla Model S is faster and more reliable and cost half as much. That's fine. Some people don't want a Tesla. We're also not talking about something that's available. This is equivalent to someone building a clone correct LaFerrari in their garage by hand and selling it for literally 1/10th the price If your dream is owning a LaFerrari, you might just be willing to work with the guy and deal with some break down or break in issues if it cost you $200k rather than $2million. (fun fact, there were 499 LaFerraris made. That's one fewer than the T7.)
One of the main issues I see with this is, it's Tom's first attempt at a production run of more than a few dozen. I believe he did two runs of 250, but he might have done one run of 500, and sold them in two batches. Either way, this is all we're getting for the foreseeable future. His limiting factor was HK gas blocks, because it's one of the few parts he's importing for it. Most of it he's hired out for small batches of parts for bolts, carriers, firing pins, etc. not to mention the receiver, whose complexity is the obvious cause of the malfunctions/extended break in period. As a primarily one man operation, he can't hand fit 250 guns and get them out within the year. He also isn't an operation like PSA, with production facilities, engineers, R&D teams and alternate income streams to fund product development. The cost of a complex mold like the one required for the T7 is likely around the $100k mark, possibly more. If he made multiple molds, do the math. That's a lot to offset for a year or two while you polish up your production run. Even more of a stretch when you consider that he's guaranteed 500 units, and no more unless he finds a way to manufacture gas blocks domestically.
As for why none of us who have working guns have uploaded videos, some have. Some are in short form content, some aren't on UA-cam, but you have to remember that there are 500 units. 500 people have this gun, so a 1% upload rate and 1% failure rate are both plausible. I have several videos of my gun functioning, but I value my privacy and have them in an unlisted location. I'll link them here, because I do feel strongly that the current selection of videos don't necessarily represent the average experience. Short of the initial 50 rounds break in.
imgur.com/2T8PpT7
imgur.com/asOfefm
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Let me describe my break in period. First, I fully expected this gun to be hand built. I was actually surprised with how quickly mine wore in initially. Granted, it did what I always do, cleaned and oiled the gun and then dry cycled it for probably 100 cycles before I ever shot it. The first 50 rounds of ammo finished the break in. The one hiccup I ran into was a ruptured primer on the S&B getting in the bolt and jamming it closed, like was shown here. This only happened once and only with the S&B, so I feel confident that's an ammo issue, not a gun issue. After my break in period, I sent it to Tommy with a concern over one tolerance between the carrier and the HK end plate. He widened it for me and sent it back a day later. I consider most guns to be broken in at around 200-500 rounds. Up to that point, I expect some tolerance related issues like failure to feed, extract, eject, stovepipes, etc. If I encounter these after the 500 round mark, I consider it to be an issue. After 100 rounds and a trip back to Tommy, I've had fewer malfunctions than my P365 XL Specter (a SIG 'custom shop' gun that cost around a grand) but seeing as that gun is under 200 rounds as well, I don't expect anything else from it. Guns are machines, machines have tolerances, tolerances open under use. Everything has a break in period, from your car to your generator to your $4k 2011. Sometimes the company will run some sort of break in for you, if they assume the client isn't responsible or knowledgable enough to do it themselves. This isn't a merit of the cost of the item, it's more a company specific decision. Some people don't want a gun with 500 rounds through it from the factory. Some do. As for what caused these rough edges, it's due to the T7 being a clone correct copy of the MP7, a German masterpiece that they developed starting in 1989 and finally released in 2003. Tom took this gun, reverse engineered it piece by piece and spent years testing and iterating on it. The most complex aspect is the monolithic polymer receiver. It has metal reinforcements and bearing surfaces molded in place in the frame, and while I'm sure HK took advantage of their decade of development time to automate the process of injection molding and precisely trimming the flashing from the inside of the receiver, Tom didn't have that option without ballooning the price to something closer to a parts kit build. The price you pay for that 90% discount is having a gun that jams for the first 50-100 rounds.
I'll now detail my experience with Tom Bostic. It's been the best customer service I've ever received. First contact was after my range day at 6pm on a Saturday. He emailed back within 10 min offering to send me a new bolt or a shipping label when I relayed my issue with the bolt jamming closed from the primer. I accepted the replacement parts but ended up sending them back when I sent the gun in for him to check over a week later after my break in was complete. As I said, he turned my gun around in a day and got it back to me within a week.
Here are my thoughts on the gun, why it's got issues, whether the issues should or could have been addressed prior to launch. I have no inside knowledge of Tommybuilt, nor do I own any of his conversions. I, like many, saw this as a rare chance to get a unicorn and jumped at it. I feel lucky to be one of the few people who got one, and luckier still to have one that was an easy break in. My background is in aerospace engineering, and I've got several products and ideas I'd like to bring to market at smaller scales. This launch/reception is basically my worst nightmare from that standpoint. I don't think Tom intentionally sent out lemons, just like he clearly didn't plan for the website to crash back in May. He said that they stress tested the site with 20k visitors the week before launch, and it handled it fine. But at 7:50 that Friday, 200k people were attempting to access the T7 sale page. The site was automatically taken down by the host as a DDoS attack, and it took them 30 min to restore it. Upon restoration, 40k-50k people were able to add the T7 to their carts before it sold out in a matter of minutes. Reminder, there were 500 units total, I believe around 150-250 units were sold that first batch based on stock numbers shown. My serial number is under 250, but later in the numbers, which I believe is partly why my unit broke in easier. Remember what I said about machinery requiring a break in? That applies to injection molds as well. I know for a fact he molded the RAL8k receivers first, which likely explains the loose pins and some of the other issues exhibited in the few YT vids available. My thoughts on the reception are as follows: A lot of people are just becoming aware of Tommybuilt within the last 6 months. It seems few of those people know of his work, his reputation for customer support, or what I would call reasonable expectations for what is essentially a coach built firearm. People are also forming their opinions on a 1% sample size of youtubers, one of whom has shown a real disdain for putting any effort into solving any problems he encounters and merely expresses his perceived entitlement due to the price tag of the gun previously only available for $25k-30k. Couple that with the fact that there are around 199,500 people who were interested enough in it to show up to the launch, and around 49,500 who are severely disappointed the weren't able to successfully check out with one. These people seem to be happy to bask in the schadenfreude of watching someone struggle with, and in some cases regret purchasing, a sought after item they missed out on. They're more than happy to make statements about how they're glad they didn't waste their money, or they intended to buy one, but no longer intend to. I once heard someone observe that it's far easier to say "It's bad, I don't want it" than it is to say "I can't afford it" or "I missed the opportunity to buy one." I'd say this phenomenon is on full display here. Due to the number of people disbelieving anyone who defends Tom Bostic, or purports to own a working example of a T7. Even with video evidence, the replies I've received range from 'you only fired x rounds,' 'you only fired one magazine,' 'you're the only person I know of who has one working, therefore, 99% of units failed.' etc, etc. I see these as coping mechanisms to salve the disappointment of a missed opportunity.
Do you have proof that he is only making 500 of them after spending multiple years and lots of money developing it and than having the molds made for the receiver and other parts. There is no indication on his page of this being limited to a 500 run gun, only possibly that the first 500 have German made gas blocks with all other parts being us made, Then after the 500 he will most likely have the gas blocks made in the US for them. Theres no reason to invest all that money into a gun you're only selling 500 of, and then only charging 3500.00 for it if thats the amount of them you are making total.
Also theres no numbering system on them (besides the serial number), and I believe he has done numbered releases of all his limited production firearms in the past.
Also with the rumors of his parts supplier for the T36 guns cutting ties with him, he will have to continue making the T7 as that would be his only product he has left to produce.
And if hes only ever producing 500, then there would have been much more of a perogative to make sure that they all function 100% since its such a limited number.
Also, you say yours had a pierced primer issue as well, That makes three of these guns with pierced primers as i know another guy who's gun had an issue with primer remnants ending up in the firing pin channel and locking it up, so that could possibly be more of a gun issue with multiple people running into it.
Tommy’s words. He left the door open to making more in the future, but nothing certain. He had 500 gas blocks for this first run, subsequent runs subject to him getting more gas blocks. He did mention potentially making gas blocks domestically. But he mentioned it as a possibility rather than a certainty. As I said, Tommy does low numbers and high margins, which is just basic business practice. Price out most of the demand, so you can keep up with it. That’s why I don’t think he really cares so much what the average redditor thinks about it and doesn’t do any PR. He takes care of his customers, whose testimony bring in enough new customers so he doesn’t need to pander to the masses.
As for parts suppliers, I heard that he just switched to a new supplier, which would likely cover the T7 and his other conversions. For small batch parts like this, it’s likely just some machine shop with a 5 axis CNC he can give a CAD file/drawing to.
I think the $3500 price makes him profitable with 500 units. If he got two molds for a total of $200k, that’s $400 per unit to offset it. Injection molding itself is cheap, then a grand to get the parts machined, labor for assembly and he’s got decent profit margins. I think he didn’t anticipate the demand being as high as it was/is. He has also mentioned doing a preorder period after the final sale of the first batch, to gauge interest and get a hard number on how many he needs. That would offset or justify the cost of setting up production and QA. He can leave the price the same and have even better margins on any further batches that he can produce.
This is also his first run of more than a dozen or so guns, to my knowledge so he’s obviously learning from it. As for making sure they all worked, I don’t think the number that had serious issues is as high as people think. That or people aren’t shooting them, which is a possibility. They’re selling for between $6k and $10k on Gunbroker, which indicates demand is still high. Even with more production runs in the future. I don’t ever see him meeting the total demand.
As for the primer, I had it happen once with S&B and have since mainly been shooting Fiocchi, so I’d argue it’s either entirely on the S&B primers, or split blame between soft primers and a long firing pin. I’m not a gun smith though.
Hey, i shot an email to Tommy, he says they ran 500 to start and plan on running more parts to continue production, so it sounds like a standard offering now, do you still have your brass from shooting with the new bolt head, could you take a pic of the primers on your spent brass, the ones that i have show obvious signs of cratering which leads me to believe there may be a tolerance issue between the size of the firing pin and the firing pin hole that the primer material is flowing in to.
I can send a photo if you can supply an email address, it would be interesting to see of the brass you have with your new bolt head exhibits the same signs.
@@WVGunsNGoatsI’d assume that’s dictated by gas block availability, rather than being something anyone can buy from his site on a whim. That’s been my impression when I looked at buying his stuff prior to the T7. Either send him a base gun and commission one, or get lucky when he puts up a small batch.
I did see he put the T7 survey back up, which implies he either sourced more blocks, or is trying to gauge interest to start manufacturing them. Still, I don’t see him being able to meet demand unless he full on sets up a production facility. But still, I’m all for him making more. I have friends who want one, and more units means more fixes. Maybe we’ll get the opportunity to upgrade to a T7A1 in a year or two that fixes any latent or recurring issues that might crop up. I’m happy so far though. My break in was shorter than I expected, so the T7 is in my bag carry gun lineup now.
I didn’t pick up my brass, so I’ll try to remember to grab some next time I go out there to shoot. I’d relay your concern to Tommy, he’d probably send you a new bolt, if he hasn’t already replaced it. Might also be the firing pin.
This was some good info. The more the better. As I’ve stated before on this channel, I have eveything but the firearm. I’m already in prob 2k. I want the t7 but am trying to navigate whether to wait or not. So that 500 unit claim comes into play as well. I’m sure people are going to get this regardless especially at retail, instead of paying double on GB. All that said, I’m not a collector and actually want to use this whether just for fun or doing a serious class. Any input would be helpful as to jumping on one asap or to wait until bugs are worked out and pray he goes past the 500 unit mark. Thanks to all the level headed guys talking all this out instead of the bs crap talk. I’ll keep my eyes open for more info as well. Take care fellas
Even the real MP7 has that charging handle thing where it comes out
Thanks, i wasnt aware it had the same issue, too bad they didnt add a small latch or something to it to hold it in.
But that would make it not a clone😉
@@WVGunsNGoatshe's lying. You think HK would allow suxh a flaw? Think twice.
That plastic charging handle is a joke. I don't blame Tommy Built, H&K just makes junk guns.
People fawn over their guns for some reason even though HK spit in our faces constantly.
Not true at all. First of all different polymer, the HKs don't have these issues.
@@gifthorse3675this tommybuilt junk is nowhere near the build quality of HK.
@@gifthorse3675it's the German export laws and US import laws genius.
I mean… you’re the beta tester… people should expect this on the first iteration of a product from a small shop who can’t afford large data testing… as long as the shop supports and fixes the bugs you find, the goal is being achieved which is collecting real world data inputs and responding to them to create a better output
That's insane.
@@SmokeNGunsBBQ you’re right… you shouldn’t expect it because of the price tag. Don’t know what I was thinking
Video is WAY too long my friend.
Sometimes it takes time to cover everything in a video.
Attention span not long enough?
He's trying to boost his adsense
Whats Adsense? Thats monetization right? The video is as long as it needs to be to cover everything i want to cover.
The reason you saw some take up for Tom so much is because he backs his products 150% and has the best customer service. There has been plenty of working videos only 6-8 people with videos of issues.
Yes i addressed the experience with his customer service, however like i said in my video if people had come out an posted a video of their T7 working as a contrast to the not working ones, a lot of the discourse could have been avoided.
Tommy is a fraud. He knowingly builds junk, takes people hard earned money . He then wants you to send it back and "Fix it" . This should have been done before it left . I know poeple want a mp7 , but this is a clone. If you really want the real thing , Spend the money and get the forms and you can have one.
$3500 piece of crap.