EXPOSED CARDS DRAMA: The $3,100,000 Poker Pot
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- This is the biggest cash game pot ever recorded in poker history. Wesley runs an epic bluff against the legendary Tom Dwan, who has a pocket pair. However, there is a bizarre twist in this hand: Wesley accidentally exposed his cards to Doug Polk, who now knows exactly what he has, and must keep a stoic poker face. What a thrilling end to the Million Dollar Game on @HustlerCasinoLive
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You should bring Tom on the podcast once you get back to discuss his thought process but also to hash out past beefs. He seems like that's water under the bridge for him but it would be an amazing poker podcast to have him on and get his perspective on everything that's been said about him over the years. A true journalist or even a man with integrity would want to hear from both sides and at the table Tom brought up a good point that you never reached out. Let's go!
I don't know anything about that, but I think Doug and Tom have polar opposite personalities in a way that unintentionally annoys each other. If they were room mates, they'd be the Odd Couple.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I can see Doug making a video, using The Odd Couple opening theme, and it looks hilarious! Hope he sees your analogy and brings it to life!
Shut ur mouth and be more grateful
I was most impressed that Tom knew to circumvent the card reader until he confirmed that Wes was officially all in. Do to past investigations Dwan wasn’t taking any chances with HCL and their boy, Wes.
Great suggestion. 100% agree 👍
I laughed so hard with Doug Polks face trying to hide it 😅
What a wierd situation to be in 😂
Doug messed up this hand so bad. If you see someone's hand, don't say anything until AFTER the hand is over. ESPECIALLY if you're gonna fold.
Hand ends - "Hey, just so you know I can see your cards, be more careful." That's it. Simple.
Don't make a big scene about it, and don't make a strong reaction/comment after he shows you his hand... lol
But he hadn't looked at his cards, so if he decided his cards were worth playing it would be really shifty not to say anything.
@@johnnyb5534 thrue
@@noahmay7708 To prevent this in the future, Doug and West should NEVER sit next to each other.
Nice of Airball to ask Wesley immediately if he's ok.
Yes u win yhe comments today
He was in fact, not ok.
First time I ever remember feeling how real that moment was
Wow, no. When someone loses a big hand, it's best to say nothing at all. Nevermind the fact that Nik wasn't even in the hand to begin with.
Absolutely classless.
they're dating now
Phil H: "We'll see if you're even around in 10 years.
-10 years later.
-Wins largest televised cash pot in history.
To be totally fair, he's changed his game. This is an older Dwan
Tom Dwan became the MOST winning HCL player of all time. + $1,809,400
and Doug as One of the biggest loser -$835,800
Surprisingly, Airball is not an overall loser he just under -100k.
>Airball is not an overall loser he just under -100k.
so he is an overall loser
How much do you think his debt is to the Triads after this win?
"that's me trying to make back $1.2m ad revenue."
hahah, that's some solid dry humour there Doug!
At times, Doug really looked like a statue sitting there. Hilarious.
i kept thinking my internet was freezing
Best part of the hand is when Wesley went out to the main room and yelled that's how you play Ace King
Totally agree with you. ARTIST!!
Ironically, every time Doug and Wesley had a big laugh preflop when in the hand with Durr, Durr wins big pot. Sometimes it's expensive to act funny when in big hands against the best player. But it's very entertaining, please keep doing it on stream.
Tom Dwan is not ‘the best player’…Doug is far superior.
@@leonproud400Doug had the edge heads up especially online, but a live 6 max million dollar cash game?
That is crazy hard call. Tom even said it in the post interview. He put in 1500bb on one pair only which can only beat a bluff (obv).
Absolutely love the Science/Art analogy for Live Vs Online Poker. Spot on Doug!!!
they both played it like they didn’t believe they were up against AA, which given the betting and stakes, is unbelievable.
tom is also unblocking ak which i think actually makes this an easier call than kk
Durr purposely avoided getting cards read by HCL when he had huge hands in play. What a smart move!
This RFI reader has been broken for a while ^
Not true as he had QQ vs Rob's QQ later that night and it instantly showed. Card reader was just having issues.
No he didn't.
It's crazy how misinformation like this travels. So long as it's a story people want to believe they'll upvote it and spread it further
if he did actually try to hide his cards from the reader he should be banned from the steam.
I feel like hands is just sitting there going.. finally not me.
Yeah seems like he was a passenger just coming along for the ride
Handz is so unintentionally funny 😂
Thank you for asking the others to hush because this was such a big pot. You didn't mention that part, but I appreciated it. I've been in hands where I thought it would be nice if I could get some quiet to think but it's harder to ask for that if you're in the hand.
It's great to see Tom back in force, this was the man that I grew up watching! He has always been one of my favourite poker players and his journey has been wild. I'm not enjoying seeing the rise of some recent players, seems more based on beefs than their actual skill. Getting a name for yourself for being a prick is not my idea of a role model poker player. Not talking about Doug btw, although he's pissed a few people off over the past year or so.
Nice to see Wes getting humbled. Definitely "overplayed" his ace high😂
OK Wesley's comment to Garrett was bad, but man I just have to respect the hell out of that river bluff
A fish would play the same way with pocket aces. Tom is just monster at reading players.
@@iamamish It actually was a really good bluff, how could he have predicted that alien brain Tom would soul read him? lol
I just can’t agree with this comment. He used a great bluff combo and Doug himself said QQ is probably a fold. Tom just made an all-time read and took it down.
if only he didn't win half of back later on :(
At least he got a "Wesley you are a champion, you have more heart than anyone here" from airball. 😂 makes that 1.5 sting a little less
Seems like Doug's read from the preflop action was that Wes was unlikely to have AA or KK, so therefore the only thing that made sense with the line he took was an 8, but if he's playing an 8 that way there's a good chance he's playing all kinds of garbage that way, so it's a good chance it's a bluff.
When Doug said "I haven't looked at my hand yet" it pretty much gave away that Wesley didn't have Aces, which made the call much easier
Good point. IMO Wes owes Doug at least a BB, for effectively forcing him to fold most hands. In fact, if Doug doesn't fold, Wes can get information from that, which could make this an angle, or even just a way to keep Doug out of the hand.
Don’t follow the logic here…how does that imply he doesn’t have Aces?
why doug said that have to do anything with wes don have AA ?
Great point! I never thought of it that way
If you see opponent already has AA, would you even bother checking your own hand?
It was funny watching Doug not move. personally i'd be trying so hard not to laugh !
He should've just got up and walked away early on. Not sure why he thought he had to sit there frozen lol
Why the fuck would you be laughing?!?
@@tom-eg3xy would you call a 4-bet pre-flop with A8o in a sandwitch position?
@@shaner217 because he’s part of the game…??? He was chillin not saying a word so he’s fine
watch wesley play AK is a valuable information
I watched this as it happened, reran it several times, and still don't see where you urged Wes to not 3/bet? I think you handled it perfectly, no response at all. However, next time something like this happens, I would just walk away from the table so there is no question of your behavior, and it's effect on the outcome of the hand. 👍😎✌🗽
Came here to say the same thing, I can't catch where Doug said anything about not raising. Maybe Tom misheard something that inadvertently lead to him calling. Weird spot.
Yeah, Doug did nothing wrong, many people would have made it worse than he did.
me nether! did durr dream that?
shouldve walked away from the table and even come out of his chair by turning towards Wes, any facial expression could possibly sway Tom
Not explicitly, but when someone say "I saw your hand", you expect the player with exposed cards to fold or at least play more passively. Especially since Doug was still in the hand.
the scary thing about this hand is Tom put Wesley On AK the entire time. He never questioned Aces or kings and kept making the big calls
When Doug said "I haven't looked at my hand yet" it pretty much gave away that Wesley didn't have Aces, which made the call much easier
thats literally not true at all 🤣 the entire river tank, he discussed Wesley having an 8 and flopping trips, he said at one point, "you could just have aces", like why is there even a discussion area on the internet when people dont pay any attention to anything and just type whatever nonsense they want...
@@SoulfightPoker He said that "you could just have aces" and then glanced at him, could just be to see if he gets a reaction from him. Maybe to see if it jolts him at all to hear his cards. He didn't budge and Tom immediately says "it just doesn't seem like you have aces". For someone who pays so much attention you sure missed a lot of details! If Tom thought he could have aces he would have folded. He was more worried about an 8, not AA. Doug unintentionally gave away information because Tom might pick up on the fact that Doug might not even consider trying to more or less talk him out of a 3bet if he had AA or KK.
@@itskmillz haha the amount of nonsense in this comment... I mean you even start your comment off saying maybe this, maybe that, then by the end of it you're speaking as if what you think is exactly set in stone what happened. everything in your comment in subjective
Qq unblocks all bluffs (16 combos of AK) while KK blocks the most obvious bluff (cuts combos of AK in half) and unblocks AA. Given that KK and QQ as river bluff catchers are pretty equivalent in equity, shouldn’t you be deciding to call on the basis of your hands blocking properties?
Yea probably QQ and JJ are way better to call than KK here.
I once called a 4b triple barrel with AKo, on a 88342 board only fearing a spiked pair or rivered A5 suited knowing said player would have acted differently with AA and KK preflop differently after he messed up his bet sizing put too many chips in and faced my 3B.
Knowing he didn't have AA or KK, the two hands that love seeing a 3b, only hand I feared was a random 8x.
QQ won't triple off in 3/5 400 BB deep when we started with 2k each.
Tom knew it was ace king as soon as Doug tried to talk him out of a 3 bet lol
Respect, Doug! God bless you for what/how you did! Not many can help his opponent, especially when it is a game for cash! Honesty is priceless and is always rare! Respect again!
like someone wright he should only fold his hand and tell it after the hand
This is the funniest thing i've seen watching doug sit there like that.. lol
its funny how Airball was on his best behavior in this session bc of the presence of Tom
Tom's aura or there's something else to it?
the game changes when you realize you are playing with two HOFers in him and Doug, let alone Durrr being a 100% generational talent and pro. He is truly the greatest with Ivey and Ungar and Reese and Doyle. He is a Rushmore pro, period.
Doug, hall of famer? Really?
Airball shows why he wanted G-man gone from HCL. He is a live fish against competent pros.
@@kenshinXX Absolutely. As the one time best heads-up no-limit player in the world he certainly deserves to be along with Galfond, Sulsky and Cates.
Airball asking Wesley if he’s alright is actually a cool moment…that’s a huge loss…
Airball was sullen until Wesley lost 1.5 million and then pretended to care about him😂
@@Lkxknekcner …I missed that part…lol
This was a 3 million dollar laugh fest at Wesley’s expense. Wesley got cute here. He picked the wrong hand/situation to get stacked. Tom is brilliant.
I’m happy to see this comment because to me it seemed so clear that Wesley must be bluffing. He’s known to stick to Broadways and pairs in most spots. I don’t think Wesley is known for mixing it up with 32 suites from ep. Then the body language. He looks like the guys on the first 48 when they get caught for deleting someone. Head in the hands. Hand in the cookie jar. And Tommy is the Daddy cop. And pulls out the belt.
@@checkthenutznot the belt 😂
@Stef Yes, the belt, and poor Wesley is bent right over, with his pants down.
So glad to be able to watch this kind of savagery, from.the safety of my sofa
I think the bluff was great. Easily could’ve had Aces Kings pocket 8s many trip 8s. Dude was on the button. Shoutout to Tom I think it took more balls to call with queens for that much money in a 5 bet pot where Wesley was in position and triple barreled all in
@@JeoJetsonmusic agree. But his body language was screaming weak because he wanted Tom to think he was strong. Tom could not be fooled. His hands were shaking. He was weak. But he made most of it back with a lucky set on 4th Street against the Japanese dude who had him 4-1 after the flop.
Dude, I just wanted to say that this Hustler episode was peak poker "television" or shall we say, entertainment. We have Wesley going for it so hard the entire time and just not getting there. My favorite part was the banter between Tom and Doug-- we have some baggage and it's so fucking great and hilarious to see it out in the open on a live stream.
We didn't really get such open banter from the first poker boom. Now that we're in the streaming era with teams like Hustler who not only select action players but great poker community characters, new and old.
Props to Nick for asking Wes if he was ok!
He said "No", someone should check on him after that.
@@Just_Pele he said "No, is good" Obviously it sucks a lot, Id want everyone to stfu and not talk to me after saying "no, its good"
@@nikolaykomissarenko7822 agreed. If I'm in Wes's shoes, I appreciate Nick asking, but after that, shut up and let me process the fact I just punted off 1.5 mil.
*Bluffs off 1.5m*
Dummy: “woooah u o k bro?”
Comments: “omg hes so nice!”
17:11 i mean u can use live experience to change preflop ranges and node lock. You “can’t” use a solver anyway if wesley or dwan’s preflop range is even one combo off from perfectly balanced, as in whatever it tells u to do, especially when ranges are this narrow, won’t be a perfect strategy
Doug can't go more than a second without saying "blocker". Doug: "My favorite hand is AA, not because of its innate strength, but because it's a strong blocker for AA."
Right? He loves droning on about a blocker. Most of the time the blocker thing makes about a 2% difference. An A 8 was folded in front of the camera, there went two "blockers" right there.
@@pocketaces6756 In poker sometimes 2% more its all you need to make optimal play.
@@6thsense464 I agree that sometimes it does matter. But there are many more factors in live poker that can also make a big difference, it's different than just online number crunching. Also, I've lost track of how many times I've seen AA against AK. I bet the AK guy thought, I've got a blocker so the other guy won't have an A! It's just a factor in the decision, not a reason to ignore many other factors, that was my point. Don't weigh the blocker thing so heavily, or one will pay the price.
@@pocketaces6756 where are you getting 2%? it cuts the a priori odds of a pair that shares with your hand in half and it reduces the odds they have one of the cards in your hand by 23%. and of course there will be blockers in the folded hands but since you don't see them they can't affect your decision.
@@pocketaces6756 AK makes it 50% less likely your opponent has AA. That's just a fact.
While Dwan was thinking, LSG was in the bathroom trying to slit his wrists with dental floss.
That was an amazing call! I have to be honest I don't think I would've had the balls to make that call with Queens!
dwan definitely had a read. snap shoving river is a big tell and i think thats what nudged tom to call.
@@AC-wl7ve I definitely agree but still that's a lot of money to call with just queens especially as many times as I have lost with queens probably is why he would've got me to fold.
@@AC-wl7ve Snap showing in that spot could mean Aces too. That read was from Dough at the begining.
@@TONAL03 thats what i mean is everything combined and then a very common bluff tell on the river was probably what nudged him towards a call.
When you gamble with millions but your mic sounds like your in a mw2 lobby in 2009
Great Live read from Tom, it was a great hand of poker and props to Wesley too.
It was an OK live read. I'm pretty sure someone like Rui Cao would have called with 22
6:50 picked up the cards perfectly
Dwan is legendary! Wes is legendary too! Wes knew Dwan had no AA or KK, so he played like he had AA, that was great bluff, I believe most players would not call. Therefore, Wes played very well even he lost $1.5M. Big thumbs up for both players, legend!
Why would tom not have AA or KK? Having an A and K reduced his chances but doesn't eliminate it. Tom is not 6! here period. He can have AK, QQ, KK, AA
@@spenceringermanson4385 yes, but in this case Wes made a prediction based off his own hole cards and was correct. This is the edge that fearless (and pro) poker players have over the casuals. That’s why they’re so successful.
@@moickjs2975 lmao OP said he cant have AA or KK but there are as many combos of AA and KK combined as there are QQ. Actually "casuals" overemphasize the importance of blockers as compared to pros. Holding AK and knowing you block AA and KK is far from pro knowledge. Pro knowledge is knowing Tom Dwan has been in multiple pots larger than this so not attempting to bluff him off TT-QQ
And Wesley Fei is definitely not a pro poker player I hope your being sarcastic?
@@spenceringermanson4385 I said “and pros”. And I didn’t say Wes was a pro. Obviously Wes didnt know 100% that Dwan didn’t have AA or KK, that would make him psychic (or a cheater). but his read of QQ and below was on point. And Dwan did almost fold because he knew it was more likely that Wes had AA or KK due to the 5-bet pre.
Honestly, looking back at the actions on the flop and turn (and to a certain extent, the river) the fact that Dwan did not raise the flop or turn basically confirms to myself (and Wes, probably) that Dwan has QQ or worse. If Dwan was trapping with AA or KK he probably would have snap-called the river. Don’t forget, it was a 5-bet pot pre; the chances that Wes has an 8 is probably
Doug is embarrassed guy to seating in the middle when Wesley go all in😂😂😂
Big ups to Nik Airball, immediately asks Wesley if he's OK. Gained so much respect for him when watching this live
He broke character there. Thought the same at that moment.
Hows that big respect? Thats an annoying thing to hear after losing 1.5m on a bluff you got some dummy saying “woahhh u ok bro?!”
Did Doug try to talk out of 3 betting? Like Dwan said, didnt hear that.
How does sonar work?
I think you handled the card exposure fine. Though, personally, i would wait to see if i'm going to be in the hand before mentioning anything as it's more likely i'll be folding. In which case you've given away nothing and the hand plays out as it would have. If i choose to play, i'd let the player know i've seen their hand, then it would be a question of what to do about that players inital bet.
💯
I always do this.
But then if someone finds out later that you knew his hand, they could accuse you of working together with another player at the table. Best thing is to let them know straight away that they messed up.
Actually he didn't.
@@Deveshh usually I let them know regardless once the hand is over.
So far so good. Two commercials in first two minutes
has to recoup 1.2 apparently he lost ooch
The standup game def brings action especially when their actually standing.
imagine how obnoxious it is standing in a 3.1 million$ pot tho.
@MrJoedanmin it is alittle bit but it's also bc 99% of the time poker players are sitting lol. It'd be wild tho standing bc of the stand-up game and u end up on a 3 million pot. Whether the other players sitting or standing would be interesting too
To me Durrrr seems to base a decent amount of his decision making on live poker subtleties. Wesley goes into the same hiding pose on the river as he did when seeing Dougs hand during his river bluff. Can he be balanced during these massive pots. Hes obviously nervous with his shaking hand during the 350k turn bet. Also a decent amount of loose info from seeing the cards/reactions etc. The advantage of many years of playing live cash i guess
that's the difference between Dwan and Solvers
The difference between playing against donks at Hustler/Lodge and playing the biggest and best cash games in Macau and on Triton tour for years.
@@nawazhemmuth8506 right lol this was probably a relatively easy session for Tom compared to what he’s seen
@@christopher7763 he isn't scared money which is the biggest factor. All the others are.
The reason Tom is so good is because he has a nearly psychic level of empathy, combined with great analysis/decision making abilities. He was made for poker, and it shows.
Doug Polk channeling his inner Mike Postle!
According to bencb's video QQ is a way better call down than KK, because with KK you heavily block his most likely bluff in AK.
Just notice how at no point when Tom’s talking this through after the river jam does he think he’s up against AA or KK. He literally thinks it’s more likely that Wesley 5-bet him to 275k preflop with 9-7 suited, based on how the hand played out, including Doug and Wesley’s pre-flop exchange.
It’s wild to see how far off Doug is here with his “I’m just gonna have AA or KK here.” Everyone should find and consider Tom’s commentary on this hand. (Galfond’s video is the best source.)
tl;dr: this was a bad time for Wesley to run a triple-barrel bluff.
Everything you do at the table conveys information. You can't be all loosy goosy looking at your opponent's hole cards pre-flop
Might be my favorite poker hand I've ever watched televised.
Wrong guy to try to bluff Wesyde 🖖🏽 that’s durrrrrrr right there
I've been playing poker for 15+ years, I've never seen anyone give someone Aces or Kings as a "sweat" to another player.
Would be a unique leveling tactic
Been playing 22. Have seen it and done it more than I can count.
What does that even mean?
He turned his ak over and looked at Tom like he thought there was a chance it was good 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What did you think Dwan had watching live mid-hand? When watching live before his cards were revealed during the river tank I was 100% certain he had AA.
I put him on QQ ..I called it out multiple times in live chat during the hand
I was shocked when it showed he had QQ. I also thought he was just trapping
Paying those bills with these new vids. Dwan needs another run at your bankroll.
The price of an apartment or house in the pot before a flop even comes out
Exposed cards have nothing to do with him bluffing and he chose to show his cards anyway to D
Just want to add that Nick Air Ball had legit compassion for Wesley after the call. I think he's a really good dude at heart.
I didn’t really have much of an opinion on airball before the stream, but after watching it he seems like a genuine, if not occasionally obnoxious, guy. I know people enjoy hating him, but he won me over throughout the stream. He also seems to really care for his friends at the table.
Airball is a sketchy dude. I seen enough during the cheating investigation involving him on the live stream.
So basically Tom's decision was largely based on Doug's preflop ' I saw your card' etc. conversation.
I think the main giveaway was Doug's reaction preflop. When he told Wes he saw his hand and Wesley assumed Doug would fold right away, Doug insisted on seeing his cards first before making a decision. I think it makes Wes's hand very unlikely to be aces or kings.
Another factor is that on Wesley's Chinese UA-cam channel, he has been fighting back accusation of him of playing scared when he made couple of big folds in the previous HCL sessions. This also contributes to the fact that he want to silence his critics with a big bluff too.
Not knowing dwan’s hand made this so much better when he called the river bet
This was a crazy hand. What Wes failed to realize is that Tom Dwan is a different breed. Not a stranger to big pots and been in the high stakes streets for two decades He's not some HCL regular scared to put it in and the absolute last dude you wanna send in an A high bluff against.
100% Dwan has been in many many pots well over 1M.. this was very likely not his largest one
18:58 you said it Doug 😏
But I would call too after seing all the monster bluff in this game.
20:12 Tom "almost" figured it out, that sound like ace king to me
I don't see how Tom think Weasley could have an 8 here lol
That thumbnail/title edit is genius.. GG Thomas
I don't think anyone shows their cards to someone else if KK or AA. Still can't believe he called that tho, good read.
Wes didn’t “show” his hand to Doug originally. Doug saw his hand do to sloppy peeling.
@@ChipBleeder afterwards in the video he handed him the cards, I guess so he could look again.
Doug could've just easily left the table until the hand was over...
Doug seems like one of those people that's all about himself. He could have left the table, to avoid influence the hand, but he'd rather sit there, so he can watch.
Just like Wesley did when he saw his hand and even talked in between the hand?
Doug helped his friend Tom win $3.1 million lol😂😂😂
More like he helped his friend and former roommate Jungle Man, get paid back in full
We dont want to call with KK on the River since it blocks wesleys mainly bluffs like AK.
So we wanna call JJ/QQ more often, fold sometimes. River is a mix anyway and kinda break evenish.
and best of all, Tom agreed to come play at The Lodge!! LETS GO!!
love the comment from Nik Airball... much respect.
Much respect for Doug for keeping a better poker.
Wesley is a beast from what ive seen almost every day for the last 2 3 months. I have to believe that wesley was just having an off day on the worst day to. With a few pros at the table. Wesley cant just go king kong without the goods against dwan! 😢😢😢 wesley man you showed some heart but since the dawn of time the best hand usually wins.
two terrible comments on the same video. congrats
Best poker face you have ever made and it aint even ur pot.
14:54 look at tom dwan confirming 2-3 times with dealer that wesley's all in and then his look shifts directly to wesley to catch any reaction to this small interaction with the dealer
It seemed like the exposed hand convo was a piece Dwan used to find a call. But to be fair, I’m pretty sure Dwan would’ve called him down either way when the board runs out like that
I think he flipped on the sonar and heard a cash register.
Honestly Wes is so nitty, Dwan probably doesn't 4 bet OR fold turn if it wasn't for that preflop shit.
13:20 You may be wrong here, Alec Torelli did a breakdown of this hand with a modified solver..the solver said Dwan should mostly raise the turn probably to deny equity and fewer times he should just call. Zero times the solver folds.
18:55 Also you may be wrong on the river too, the modified solver says its a clear call on the river with QQ. But you are right on the turn in that Wesley should bet, Alec says the same but the solver gets stuck unfortunately. But if it worked, I thought its was a check with AKo even if you have the A of clubs
It's so wild I watched day 1, missed the rest, say a few doug videos, but just tuned in live with doug down both of his big pots already but watched that hand live and I was so confused as it happened but when Durr was recounting how he read it, you trying to talk him out of 3 betting, that sounded off... but I do remember just seeing doug went to stone and omg the pressure of knowing Wes has AK high and just ripping massive and not wanting to be involved in any way. Glad to see the replay and breakdown you didn't try to talk him in or out of any action and just in a tough spot after you saw a hand.
Handz is at the table and doesn't get put in a horrible position for all his chips? What's going on here?
Just goes to show Tom is probably one of the best if not best live poker players. He definitely called because he had a tell on Wes! The 8 was really the only card Tom was scared of
Im not so convinced as tom says hes been wrong plenty of times in these spots. Imagine if Doug and Wesley both had not been bluffing lmao durr would look the fool. Glad he came out on the right side tho
Being elite and the best doesn't mean you're right every time it means you're right another 5% more which is a massive edge.
lol wtf. this is a bad comment. tom is nowhere near the best live player. his read was wesley had trips, he was wrong. you're embarrassing yourself.
Wesley sees Doug’s hand, Doug goes all the way with the bluff… Doug sees Wesley hand, Wesley goes all the way with the bluff… Also maybe Dwan thought QQ is better candidate bluff catcher than KK since it unblocks AK and he discounted AA a bit?
No matter how much you try to mute your emotions, you knowing his hand make even the act of nothing a potential live read. No matter how extremely funny it can possibly be. You should never ever ever show your cards to anyone.
Wes is the spot. That's why Tom is IN.
lol this is a terrible comment
When Wesley went all in you should have yelled..."Whaaaat????"
"This is the biggest cash game pot ever recorded in poker history" Is this still true after adjusting for buying power of USD?
Oh God shut up
Huh interesting. May not be then
with current inflation, this is a standard 2-5 pot back in a day.
If we were to go down that road, then you may as well go back to the biggest hands in 2008 and increase their pot size value by 46%
@Wayne Donoghue but then u can go back to 99 and do the same.
3 million is still looked at like 3 million today. It's the lower money that seems less.
If a folded player sees a card or cards from a live player, the information should only be revealed after the hand plays out. If the cards are exposed to a portion of the table after substantial action, card cannot be replaced but only exposed if the player folds AND one or more of the remaining players have seen those cards. Former dealer here
Doulg you’re the king of trolls even when trolling yourself
sup doug nice breakdown just wanted to add Wes also didn't look confident after he made the big all in maybe thats also what made tom call.
Would it be ethical to make the choice to consider your own hand as dead without looking and say nothing?... and maybe even step away?
It was ethical for doug to tell wes he saw his cards. After that, doug can play his hand as he normally would, and stay quiet.
@@deanalbertson7203Doug did nothing wrong. Just looking for an ethical path that involves saying nothing.
@@crazyjim888your not going to fold aces 😂 just because someone exposed their hand, so no that would not be the correct thing to do it’s Wesley’s fault
@@jobles6883so ethical yes, but negative ev
@@crazyjim888 I can't see any way Doug could have acted more "ethically" in this situation than how he did. He didn't make the mistake, but didn't try to exploit it either.
Pretty big mistake to leaving Tom needing only 25% equity to call the river
I don’t understand why you just didn’t leave the table. Dwan even said he was looking at you the whole time for tells.
He said he wasn't looking at him
I don't know why he'd do that, given that (i) Wesley's the one who's risking his money, and (ii) Doug is better at concealing tells than Wesley.
to be fair to tom,he was only looking at wesley if you watch the video again,it was just a sick read and he put all the pieces of how wes was acting together relly well.its thinking on a higher level
Not knowing Dwan's hole cards made this even more special to watch live. The Lodge should try something like this on stream.
Here's one way it could work:
Show every hand as it is folded. Before the first to VPIP and after. That way, you still always see every hand.
For the first person who VPIPs, show their cards with a 50/50 chance. If you show the their cards, don't show the cards of the subsequent players. The viewer will play along as that player for the hand. If you do not show the first-in players cards, show the cards of all the other players (or maybe just next to act). This ensures that the viewer is not always playing from the OOP player's perspective or IP versus the blinds.
There would be wrinkles to work out. For example, if the person whose perspective is being played from folds, expose another player's cards who remains in the hand.
Despite the wrinkles, I'm sure the software driving the graphics could easily be extended for it. It would make for a unique stream amongst all the streams doing pretty much the same thing out there. It would also give viewers a chance to learn and think through situations without being as dull as the very old days before hole-card cams and card readers.
They could just run separate streams that all only show one player's cards. Click on whatever ones you want to know.
Doyle, being the model, never shared his hand with anyone. It's a real no-no that can't be justified by trying to be a friendly host. And to compound this error, you put your whole stack at risk with nothing, while the sharer was giving off a tell, putting his head down, something he might not have done, if your hand were strong. It was a disastrously expensive sequence.
Cherry on top would have been Tom going "Max Value"
I feel like the new rule should be you see a card, someone accidentally exposes their hand, you just dont say anything until after the hand. In hand it just opens things up big time, and i mean part of the game is concealing your cards. If you suck at it, then get punished. But still let the person know after the hand, hey you are exposing your cards to me so be careful. After that, its completely their fault.
It shouldn't be a hard rule, but I could appreciate it if that was the etiquette. Maybe instead of saying it to the whole table, just whisper to them "hey I just saw your cards" but that would only work if you're sitting next to them. It's hard.
doug was just trying to protect himself incase he picked up aces or kings and was put in a worse situation. i think him telling wesley was best unless he already decided he would fold every hand then he could wait to say something
It's also just being fair to the other players in the hand, so they can continue with the knowledge that Doug might know Wes's hole cards (I say 'might' in a general case, as the person speaking up could be lying). It's just an etiquette thing. Some people might think it's scummy if they find out later and that's not the look Doug wants in this game.
I like how airball asks if Wes is ok. That’s a bro
Airball is actually a nice guy. I don't understand the hate. I was a Berkey hater before their tiff.
Really should have walked away from the table after seeing the hand, Doug. Tom was able to read two people in two of his biggest pots of the night which is a huge advantage for him since it doesn't seem like you or Wesley train hiding tells.
Shhh
First one was easy. He had a boat. This one was good.
It's not on Doug if Wesley tries to run a triple barrel punt against a guy with 100x the high stakes cash experience as he does.
@@blank5210 it was a good bluff if he didn't show the cards. I think Dwan took AA and KK out of range since he showed. No one shows that. That's why he said hope he doesn't have a random 8.
@@blank5210 You're saying it's fine for Doug to stay at the table when he accidently saw a hand where that person goes on to try a triple barrel bluff? Pretty obvious to leave the table, but no one's perfect and this should be a learning experience for anyone playing high stakes where you're sweating hands, accidental or otherwise.
Just wanted to tell that in the solver land we almost pure fold Turn with KK and instead continue with TT JJ QQ some of the times. And river KK pure fold, TT-QQ we sometimes call. Reason is that we want to unblock potential AK bluffs and QQ does that. Where as with KK we block more bluffs then unblock worse values anyways QQ we sometimes call river and I think Tom just made and excellent play.
Im glad Tom got you too. For not just keeping your mouth shut and just letting the game play itself. If you saw them accidentally then thats West fault for being careless. No need to mention it, just keep playing. Cuz you actually made the situation way worse. Than actually helping anybody 🙄
Was waiting for Tom to offer you 10k to tell him what you saw 🤣 would have been a funny joke
I got the feeling Wes wanted the table to see him show Doug his cards so he could play it off as another 45s situation