Very simple. A closer object seems larger than a further object. If you don't move the camera, then everything is fine. The problem is that when you start to move the camera, the parallax movement of closer objects is faster than that of further objects. That breaks the illusion. To compensate, they moved one of the objects along with the camera to match its parallax to the other object. That way it still looks like they are the same distance from the camera.
all the effects and set design in the world won't make for a good film without the actors to carry the story along. They definitely do need more recognition but that is just the way it is. Craftmans create the world but the actors take us for the ride.
Camera point of view is always at "chin" or "chest" level. It makes everybody on TV or film seem tall and robust, even when they're not. The same way a child sees adults.
@@kimblefrost6073 "lazy generation and theyr use of computer imagery" You are one of those idiots who have zero idea how those things are done but actually think it is easy to do. 👏🏼
Practical effects are so much better cause they don’t age as poorly. With something like Star Wars a new hope all the aged effects are cgi effects added in the special edition while the ones that hold up today were practical effects from the 70s
They put so much blood sweat and tears into making the LOTR (Orlando broke a rib, Viggo broke his foot, nightmarish outdoor shooting) I'm actually cool with them taking the CGI route for a change
And this shows why the LOTR movies were so damn good, this shows the passion put in. And also makes you see why The Hobbit couldn't live up in any way.
@@Galigula1 No. The problem is he made a trilogy (for no reason) out of a much smaller book and it shows. It's nowhere near as well written or developed because it has about 1/4th of the combined material of all of the LotR books and was written for children, culminating in a different style of storytelling. We ended up with story arcs and characters never even mentioned (or barely) in the book, let alone characters actually doing things that directly effect the story. One of the changes was to include Galadriel because there were "too many men". www.thedailybeast.com/the-hobbit-19-changes-from-jrr-tolkiens-novel-to-peter-jacksons-movie
Without a doubt one of the best practical effects in the LOTR movies. Which is saying a lot, considering the amount of practical effects mixed with visual effects used in these movies.
for some shots. Also "scale doubles" were used. That is, a midget with a facemask of The hobbit actors, for shots where its far away and it's all of them running etc
They used perspective, small people as doubles, and also created two different sized sets and imposed the shots over each other for some scenes. Very clever and will always hold up and look good.
@@tacticalchunder1207 If you watch the scene in fellowship, where Boromir gets hit by the first or second arrow, you see the doubles for merry/pippin, it's thrown me off ever since lol.
You'll notice if you pay attention that most scenes where a small guy and a big guy are in the same shot, the shorter character will have his back facing the camera. This is because they are using a double who is wearing the costume, and all the costumes are designed to obscure the look of the actor from the back.
It's quite hard to believe that LOTR was made between 1998-2001 Waaaay before the advancements we have in video technology today. Truly amazing work they did on that first film
What’s your motivation??? You have to cry here and make it believable you old English fuck!!! Ok...ok. (Looks around) got it, Whaaaaa this shit fuckin sucks blimey mates ye whaaaa. Manchester United! Whaaa.
They couldn't use the same techniques because they shot all the hobbit films in 3d, that was the studio, not Jackson. He did his best with literally no prep time and constant studio interference when he never wanted to direct the movie in the first place.
I love the technics of these films. It really make you wonder if it might've actually been easier to hire 4 shire hobbits, a dwarf, an elf, 2 guys, and a wizard.
Wow. This is beyond incredible. I’m Legitimately mind blown by the level of technical skill and basic knowledge it takes to pull this off so well. for the last 15 years I’ve been watching the entire extended edition trilogy at-least 5-times a year but I’ve never watched the bonus features. all this time I thought it was computer tricks. This is ingenious. Gives you goosebumps.
I always wondered how they did it without CGI. Michelle Gondry has used these technique in certain shots of movies and music videos. But doing a whole movie based around this technique is nuts. Another reason to love LOTR
I just pulled out my old LOTR dvd and watched it and I was wondering how the heck they did this specific scene. So glad this was the example they used. I wish they still worked this hard and made this sort of quality. It's so much better than CGI.
Take two mirrors, put one where Gandalf is supposed to look and one where Frodo is supposed to look, and face them at each other. Now the actors can look each other in the eye.
It doesn't work like that. You would need MULTIPLE mirrors at exact angles for them to LOOK each other in the eye. The best they could do using your example, would be to show the side of the other actor's head.
This is one of those things that once you've chosen to do it in one scene, you just have to repeat it in all other scenes since the ratios otherwise would not make sense. Sounds like hell! Respect
I swear it must have been an absolute privilege to be a part of the LOTR production, Everything, from the music, to the cast, to the cinematography to the enormous battles, they're all beautiful.
My favourite scene using this illusion (apart from the kitchen table scene) is Gandalf and Frodo in the cart in Hobbiton. Totally seamless and believable.
I love that scene in the extras... the way they had to build the cart is ridiculous. Half of it Hobbit sized, half Gandalf sized, right next to each other, on a moving cart, with tracking cameras. I remember watching in theater and wondering how they did some of these... there was no way green screen compositing would have worked and matched up seamlessly.
Most amazing trilogy ever made and the compassion that went into it, if only peter jackson made more... id absolutely melt if i heard hes making silmarilion
I really want to live in this world where insects are human sized, but every time you look at them they're being rolled away on little dolleys to make them look tiny.
+noptic when you watch movie there are more shots that makes you scratch the head, like the very beginning of LOTR where gandalf meets bilbo, not only height difference, but bilbo is movinf behind and front of gandalf figure and is taking items, hat and staff, from his hands.
This is good but i remember something being off about it - seeing this, I think it’s the fact that they’re not really looking at each other. I’d have to go back and watch it again though.
When everything matches to perfection (story,actors,directing,lighting,prop artists and vfx) we get something of a magical faction that dozens of years later we are still intrigued by and marvel at. I wish they did a full cinema movie on How they Filmed it, I would watch it the same amount of times I watched first 3 LOTR
Aaron Watson Don't be an *? Find a single person in the world who prefers the Hobbit. It's not subjective, it's an objectively better trilogy in every way. Is it not a fact that The Godfather is a better movie than The Last Airbender?
This was so seamless people didn’t even think about it at the time. TFOTR and TT should have won Academy Awards for this stuff, deserved it just as much as ROTK.
Why is everyone shitting on CGI? Half the time you’re watching something with CGI you don’t even know it because it is done very well. I’ve been learning for four years and have still barely scratched the surface of what is possible. It’s an art of its own and has made things possible in film that would never be possible without it. Don’t get me wrong these practical effects are really cool and interesting but I don’t think a lot of people understand that the only reason CGI “saves time” is because HUNDREDS of people are working on it simultaneously and sometimes are even half of the crew
I love this because I dont have any idea what any of this means but you can tell these guys are excited about having figured this out and that makes me excited.
Once you know how it works and what to look for you can kinda see some instances where it breaks. At 2:20 the shadow of frodo's right arm is on the second smaller table and is obscured by the taller table initially.
They could easily do this scene from one angle but going through all this trouble to be able to move the camera around just a little bit makes the illusions so much more effective, it's amazing.
That’s why practical effects work gets more respect, it’s insane the amount of blood sweat and tears got poured into these films. Another great piece of practical effects work, Star Wars, they took 8 MONTHS to make something like a 10 second piece of footage.
The wow effect from people who know about forced perspective is another reason they do it. The moment when peers realize, wait... this is forced perspective, but holy crap the camera is moving... how the hell did they do that?!
you can plainly see it's so much more fun and joyful in this clever way of doing it than just doing green screen with all the actors separated. that B roll of ian mckellen breaking down on the hobbit green screen set haunts me.
Maaaan, making movies back then must've taken some real creativity. Nowadays, people just throw money at blockbusters until everything's done with CGI.
To be fair, CGI --when not overused-- is a great tool for cutting the costs of filming certain scenes which would otherwise be impossible, either because of financial or technological constraints. There are many films today which use CGI in such extremely effective ways that the audience has no idea it's even there. In a lot of cases, there's really no reason NOT to use CGI since you can create a photorealistic scene for a mere fraction of the price of shooting in reality.
@@Aurumai A shame so many CGI artists either suck at what they're doing because they only studied it because they thought it would be all easy, fun and games or aren't given nearly enough time because companies want to cut even more costs
Aurumai Ye CGI allows for creating things in films thats just not possible practically, but Its a miss-conception though that CGI is cheaper then shooting practically.
airlockengage back in the days?? How old are you all? The LOTR movies had plenty of CGI put in use. This was just a tasteful choice of getting something done.
This has to be revolutionary, never nor heard anything like this before. Peter has always been heavy with practical effects, but this is a different level
Truly amazing, throughout the whole analysis I was amazed at its product but confused in the process, must of taken some physics and a keen eye to make this illusion
no he was crying because he is mostly a stage actor or a personal actor that thrives on being around the people he is supposed to be in a scene with. He had to do most of his scenes completely alone giving the illusion he was talking with others. That for him was incredibly lonely, and stressful as an actor without having others to play off of.
I don't blame him. And it's not really a lonely, thing I don't think. I think it just doesn't come out as authentic when you are supposed to be in dialogue with someone, and no one is there.
You should probably realize that they did extensive use of green screen on LOTR as well. When Gandalf first enters bag end they used different sets and compositing. Bilbo and Gandalf weren't even in the camera together. It's not like LOTR didn't use CGI and green screen. The Hobbit definitely eschewed practical in favor of CG though and that is a shame. Though if you ask me a significantly larger problem is the ridiculous changes to the story.
If you ever get the chance, get the extended edition dvd set and watch the extras. No film has ever put together a better set of extras. There are literally hours upon hours of this stuff. How they scout for locations... how they decide costume looks, how they pre-viz, how they storyboard, how they do sound effects. And I'm not talking the usual dvd 2 minute fluff pieces. These are like documentaries. Also, the audio commentary tracks are priceless. There are 4 of them with different groups of actors, or director/tech etc. The stories and things they talk about are incredible. There were things they put in sets that will never be seen on camera, but were there for the actors to see and feel it was real.
I understand the perspective that because cg can do pretty much anything now, there is no point into putting this much effort, time, and money into practical effects. The audience will just assume it is cg anyway. To me the classic example is the shot of Dorothy exiting her house in the Wizard of Oz - they had to use a sepia-painted wall with a stunt double wearing sepia-toned dress & makeup to accomplish it. Nowadays anyone can achieve the same effect with their iPhone in seconds. But it is sad how much of the magic & awe of the movies has been lost. There are uses of cg that still floor me - de-aging of actors (or reconstruction of dead actors), but even these technologies are available for people to play with on their phone.
2000ish: Man this movie is so great, even with low technique the movies were produced perfectly 2019: Man if this movie doesn't bash on white people it won't be accepted by Hollywood
The thing about CGI is it's best when you don't notice it's there. Properly done you can produce some simply stunning work with it, but the minute you notice it, it destroys the illusion.
Morgomir I hope you realize the irony of criticizing CGI for destroying cinema while praising lotr, a movie that won an award for one of the most photo realistic CGI characters at the time.
Those were the days... When CGI augmented “real” special effects and camera trickery. In this case CGI wasn’t even used! I often think about this “moving forced perspective”. I had TLOTR extended versions with all the bonus content, and I was absolutely amazed.
Lets just calm down everyone and enjoy the magic and the genius way of these artists. Yes, i agree with some of the commentators about CGI but lets face it, we are in a different ERA!!! Time and money cant be wasted easily but it is the new age to look for ways to expand your creativity and less consumed hrs of handwork and craftsmanship. Yes i know i know, all started that way with animatronics and craftsmanship. I grew up watching and learning from old school creativities but like i said before this is a new age with the best technology ever!!!!!!
I still only understand half of what they're saying here but these people are geniuses. The fact that they did so much with practical effects and camera tricks instead of always relying on CGI has meant that these movies are 20 years old but the visual effects still look amazing.
I've noticed this effect on lots of movies on shrooms. It's pretty crazy because you can see in great detail the different layers or what have you in the picture.
This sounds like a goddamn nightmare to figure out.
+Jared Stott Why do you think it takes years to make a movie? ;)
It took years at that time. Now they just pay a CGI study to do it.
I hope you don't think CGI is a quick and easy process.
No, but they don´t do it. They pay third parties.
A computer did all the calculations.
I love that Ian McKellen casually sticks the prop pipe in his mouth even though they aren't filming.
Lmao
Signs of a real actor always in character
They are filming.. you're not seeing the past through a crystal ball
@@ericcartman1328 hmmm, your comment reminds me of something..
@@ericcartman1328 Is that a reference to The Simpsons or Tropic Thunder? I forget
I've watched this 3 times, and my brain still can't figure out how to beat the perception. Absolutely incredible.
To be fair, their explanation does not really make much sense either. They just said "move" a lot and not much more.
Same here, it’s incredible
Very simple. A closer object seems larger than a further object. If you don't move the camera, then everything is fine.
The problem is that when you start to move the camera, the parallax movement of closer objects is faster than that of further objects. That breaks the illusion. To compensate, they moved one of the objects along with the camera to match its parallax to the other object. That way it still looks like they are the same distance from the camera.
Because it's not shown very well.
@@timharig This is a great explanation, well done
This video stopped so abruptly I thought I was about to receive a phone call.
Can't relate, nobody calls me lol
Lol
damn that was funny
Lmfao riiight. I thought an ad was about to play 😂
Me too
why do the actors always get all the recognition. these skilled super craftsmen are fantastic
all the effects and set design in the world won't make for a good film without the actors to carry the story along. They definitely do need more recognition but that is just the way it is. Craftmans create the world but the actors take us for the ride.
Because the actors is all you see unless you go out of your way to find behind the scenes stuff. Casuals don't do that
The trilogy won in total 17 oscars I'd say that's recognition
Because normal fans doesnt benefit them . All they need is a good reputation for the movie industries who really appreciated their work .
How many people line up for movie tickets because a Famous Big Name did the camera work?
This is how they make Tom Cruise look regular height. Costs studios an extra 5-10 million, but they do it.
What do you mean? Tom Cruise is 5'11" -- just ask him. ;-)
Camera point of view is always at "chin" or "chest" level. It makes everybody on TV or film seem tall and robust, even when they're not. The same way a child sees adults.
@@pwnmeisterage Not "always," but "typically."
That was brilliant
You fool! Hahahaha
Now this is movie making and special effects.
th way it shud always b done. lazy generation and theyr use of computer imagery. theatre is going to shit
Lol what
Here we go again with that nostalgia shit
@@kimblefrost6073
"lazy generation and theyr use of computer imagery"
You are one of those idiots who have zero idea how those things are done but actually think it is easy to do. 👏🏼
If you think these computers are making people lazy, you better start sending your comments via telegram to youtube
Cgi is really really good sometimes but practical affects is just badass
Effects
If you know how to mix the two you can get something indistinguishable from real life
You will never notice good CGI
Practical effects are so much better cause they don’t age as poorly. With something like Star Wars a new hope all the aged effects are cgi effects added in the special edition while the ones that hold up today were practical effects from the 70s
As the hobbit clearly showed.
lotr= shot in the best locations of new zealand
hobbit= shot in the best locations of new zealand's computer labs
They put so much blood sweat and tears into making the LOTR (Orlando broke a rib, Viggo broke his foot, nightmarish outdoor shooting) I'm actually cool with them taking the CGI route for a change
@@BlaneNostalgia its the difference between a 10/10 perfect film and a 8/10 average....
@@BlaneNostalgia The Hobbit movies were so mediocre it hurt
@@BlaneNostalgia Viggo almost lost his life if he hadnt deflected the knife when the Uruk-hai threw it at him on the first movie
Hobbit was shot on even more locations than LotR. Watch the production vlog and behind the scenes extras. It was a truly massive undertaking.
And this shows why the LOTR movies were so damn good, this shows the passion put in. And also makes you see why The Hobbit couldn't live up in any way.
I think the hobbit had also done that.
the hobbit movies still showed a lot of passion i think... The problem for that movie is with it being based on a 11 page pamphlet!
Shame they gave Peter Jackson not more time for the Hobbit films.
@@Galigula1 No. The problem is he made a trilogy (for no reason) out of a much smaller book and it shows.
It's nowhere near as well written or developed because it has about 1/4th of the combined material of all of the LotR books and was written for children, culminating in a different style of storytelling. We ended up with story arcs and characters never even mentioned (or barely) in the book, let alone characters actually doing things that directly effect the story.
One of the changes was to include Galadriel because there were "too many men".
www.thedailybeast.com/the-hobbit-19-changes-from-jrr-tolkiens-novel-to-peter-jacksons-movie
Codo Rox
Without a doubt one of the best practical effects in the LOTR movies. Which is saying a lot, considering the amount of practical effects mixed with visual effects used in these movies.
"Taken by Isildur from the hand of -" END
from the hand of what Gandalf, _FROM THE HAND OF WHAT_
Sauron himself
The hand of GOBLET OF FIRE
DaveDexterMusic WHATS IN THE BOX
Boromir Stark Protector of the Realm slayer of Sauron @Bazza Cuda
yo mama
Incredible. And to think, when you're watching the film you don't even realise what has happened. Cinemagic!
I thought it was CGI. So everything midget is just this illusion? Bravo LOTR and Hobbit crew!
for some shots. Also "scale doubles" were used. That is, a midget with a facemask of The hobbit actors, for shots where its far away and it's all of them running etc
Jessrey Mark Solijon there are some uses of digital doubles for the hobbits, but it’s very rare.
They used perspective, small people as doubles, and also created two different sized sets and imposed the shots over each other for some scenes. Very clever and will always hold up and look good.
@@tacticalchunder1207 If you watch the scene in fellowship, where Boromir gets hit by the first or second arrow, you see the doubles for merry/pippin, it's thrown me off ever since lol.
You'll notice if you pay attention that most scenes where a small guy and a big guy are in the same shot, the shorter character will have his back facing the camera. This is because they are using a double who is wearing the costume, and all the costumes are designed to obscure the look of the actor from the back.
This is so amazing that even after it's been fully explained I'm still not quite sure how it works
It's quite hard to believe that LOTR was made between 1998-2001
Waaaay before the advancements we have in video technology today.
Truly amazing work they did on that first film
from this to Ian McKellen crying in front of the Hobbit greenscreen
What’s your motivation??? You have to cry here and make it believable you old English fuck!!!
Ok...ok. (Looks around) got it,
Whaaaaa this shit fuckin sucks blimey mates ye whaaaa. Manchester United! Whaaa.
CaptainMyCaptain woah bro not cool
Ikr , would it kill Peter Jackson to use forced perspective once in a while? Poor Ian
They couldn't use the same techniques because they shot all the hobbit films in 3d, that was the studio, not Jackson. He did his best with literally no prep time and constant studio interference when he never wanted to direct the movie in the first place.
@@thesalanian wheither you shoot in 3d or not has no impact on using props or cgi
These guys are geniuses
Best trilogy of all time. Nothing will ever top LotR
Fifty Shades
Fellowship is very nice. The last hour of return is awful.
Avengers....
@@deldia well then u didnt get it...
Tilman Rotational Invariant didn’t get what? That hour of my life back? Yeah
Anyone who comes up with such ideas and implements them in this way more than deserves the Academy Award.
I love the technics of these films. It really make you wonder if it might've actually been easier to hire 4 shire hobbits, a dwarf, an elf, 2 guys, and a wizard.
Wow. This is beyond incredible. I’m Legitimately mind blown by the level of technical skill and basic knowledge it takes to pull this off so well. for the last 15 years I’ve been watching the entire extended edition trilogy at-least 5-times a year but I’ve never watched the bonus features. all this time I thought it was computer tricks. This is ingenious. Gives you goosebumps.
I always wondered how they did it without CGI. Michelle Gondry has used these technique in certain shots of movies and music videos. But doing a whole movie based around this technique is nuts. Another reason to love LOTR
I just pulled out my old LOTR dvd and watched it and I was wondering how the heck they did this specific scene. So glad this was the example they used. I wish they still worked this hard and made this sort of quality. It's so much better than CGI.
I'm too lazy to even understand it. I really appreciate their hard work
This is simply one reason why these films will be cherished for many, many years to come.
When ever something in life ever looks too large or too small, I always tell my friends "Maybe they lord of the rings'd it".
That. Is phenomenal.
These movies are timeless. There's just one small scene that comes to mind that looks a bit off now, almost 20 years after they were made. Incredible!
clearly filmmaking takes a lot of innovation, creativity and even some math/physics! so cool!
2:01 “Gandalf” utterly on his role sucking his pipe whilst none cameras are roling.
as wise as a wizard.
Take two mirrors, put one where Gandalf is supposed to look and one where Frodo is supposed to look, and face them at each other.
Now the actors can look each other in the eye.
It doesn't work like that. You would need MULTIPLE mirrors at exact angles for them to LOOK each other in the eye. The best they could do using your example, would be to show the side of the other actor's head.
@@Frankie2012channel No, two would work.
or u simply use a screen, just saying
You most likely would not be able to do this as the mirrors would probably bounce unwanted light across the set, ruining the DOPs work
With all the lighting used on a set that wouldn't be possible.
The sheer amount of effort that went into making these movies is astounding.
This is one of those things that once you've chosen to do it in one scene, you just have to repeat it in all other scenes since the ratios otherwise would not make sense. Sounds like hell! Respect
I swear it must have been an absolute privilege to be a part of the LOTR production, Everything, from the music, to the cast, to the cinematography to the enormous battles, they're all beautiful.
My favourite scene using this illusion (apart from the kitchen table scene) is Gandalf and Frodo in the cart in Hobbiton. Totally seamless and believable.
I love that scene in the extras... the way they had to build the cart is ridiculous. Half of it Hobbit sized, half Gandalf sized, right next to each other, on a moving cart, with tracking cameras. I remember watching in theater and wondering how they did some of these... there was no way green screen compositing would have worked and matched up seamlessly.
Oh my God, I had no idea this kinda stuff was involved, it all looks so seamless I barely thought about it. Practical effects never cease to amaze me.
This is one of my favorite special effects in the movie.
Most amazing trilogy ever made and the compassion that went into it, if only peter jackson made more... id absolutely melt if i heard hes making silmarilion
Is this why insects are small?
They are bigger if you look closer
@@keremdelialioglu2197 and if you whisper they can understand you
@@eternapesadilla2355 And before you know it, they're 5 meters tall and is currently taking over the world
@@keremdelialioglu2197 woooosh
I really want to live in this world where insects are human sized, but every time you look at them they're being rolled away on little dolleys to make them look tiny.
I don't know why, but I find all of the forced perspective stuff just SO impressive! So genius!
Because it looks so good and will always look good. Today it would be all CGI and look like shit.
I still don't get how this shit works. It's literally like magic. Fuck sake.
+noptic That's why is called Movie Magic :D it's beautiful
+noptic when you watch movie there are more shots that makes you scratch the head, like the very beginning of LOTR where gandalf meets bilbo, not only height difference, but bilbo is movinf behind and front of gandalf figure and is taking items, hat and staff, from his hands.
+urmo345 Maybe you already knew it, but they filmed them separately using motion control cameras and blue screen.
ut bilbo is movinf behind and front of gandalf figure and is taking items, hat and staff, from his hands.Miatpi
+Miatpi Not separately - look again at 0:36
Even after they explain the trick at length, it’s still seamless on scene. These are the men who built my childhood.
This is the real magic right here.
I'm starting to see where this big mobile spending goes. Amazing, I had no idea so much work went into this scene. Bravo
2:22 the shadow of his right hand (holding the tea pot) suddenly appears near the cup. One second before, there was only his left hand shadow.
I am in awe of the skills applied in making such excellent movies.
Sounds like a lot of work for a quick shot. the attention to detail in these movies is impressive
This is good but i remember something being off about it - seeing this, I think it’s the fact that they’re not really looking at each other. I’d have to go back and watch it again though.
20+ years later I finally got around to finding out how they did it👏
When everything matches to perfection (story,actors,directing,lighting,prop artists and vfx) we get something of a magical faction that dozens of years later we are still intrigued by and marvel at. I wish they did a full cinema movie on How they Filmed it, I would watch it the same amount of times I watched first 3 LOTR
From now on, everytime I re-watch LOTR it will never be the same
Damn the hobbits were actually talking to air lol
there were a couple of scenes where the hobbits are talking to each other, there, forced perspective wouldn't be necessary.
That's a pretty creative solution to a difficult problem. Perspective is a powerful tool when used correctly.
Moral of watching: 2:26 It worked!
This is true genius. No CGI, just brilliant creative people.
Way better than The Hobbit, imo
That's not opinion. It's fact.
Aaron Watson Don't be an *? Find a single person in the world who prefers the Hobbit. It's not subjective, it's an objectively better trilogy in every way. Is it not a fact that The Godfather is a better movie than The Last Airbender?
Eoinster I like the hobbit equally as much as LOTR... Now it's opinion.
Hated Out Yo I like Troll 2 as much as Citizen Kane. That doesn't make the opinion valid.
Eoinster you said "like", which makes it your opinion.
They can explain how much they want how this works, it still has to be magic!
Like my girlfriend once said, " I liked it but it could've been longer. "
10,000 hours of effort for a 3 second scene that could just as well have been shot in 10,000 other ways, but they went with the hardest one.
0:20 have you seen the movie the Coneheads?
I can't even wrap my head around this. Genius!
This is what will always separate this absolute masterpiece of a movie from playstation cutscenes that are being passed off as movies these days
This was so seamless people didn’t even think about it at the time. TFOTR and TT should have won Academy Awards for this stuff, deserved it just as much as ROTK.
Why is everyone shitting on CGI? Half the time you’re watching something with CGI you don’t even know it because it is done very well. I’ve been learning for four years and have still barely scratched the surface of what is possible. It’s an art of its own and has made things possible in film that would never be possible without it. Don’t get me wrong these practical effects are really cool and interesting but I don’t think a lot of people understand that the only reason CGI “saves time” is because HUNDREDS of people are working on it simultaneously and sometimes are even half of the crew
I love this because I dont have any idea what any of this means but you can tell these guys are excited about having figured this out and that makes me excited.
"Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks!"
"I am not trying to rob you! I'm trying to help you."
These movies really did showcase some next level film wizardry. It simply boggles my mind how someone spent the time to figure all of this out.
I use it in photography, very clever to use it in live action.. a lot of head scratching I bet..
Once you know how it works and what to look for you can kinda see some instances where it breaks. At 2:20 the shadow of frodo's right arm is on the second smaller table and is obscured by the taller table initially.
STuff like this is fascinating - but then again, it's kind of like magic, I don't always want to know how it's done.
For me it's just makes allof this more incredible
José Genuino same. Knowing that it was a purely practical stuff makes it ever more awesome to behold.
They could easily do this scene from one angle but going through all this trouble to be able to move the camera around just a little bit makes the illusions so much more effective, it's amazing.
All that just to have the camera be moving for a few seconds talk about dedication
That’s why practical effects work gets more respect, it’s insane the amount of blood sweat and tears got poured into these films. Another great piece of practical effects work, Star Wars, they took 8 MONTHS to make something like a 10 second piece of footage.
The wow effect from people who know about forced perspective is another reason they do it. The moment when peers realize, wait... this is forced perspective, but holy crap the camera is moving... how the hell did they do that?!
you can plainly see it's so much more fun and joyful in this clever way of doing it than just doing green screen with all the actors separated.
that B roll of ian mckellen breaking down on the hobbit green screen set haunts me.
Maaaan, making movies back then must've taken some real creativity. Nowadays, people just throw money at blockbusters until everything's done with CGI.
To be fair, CGI --when not overused-- is a great tool for cutting the costs of filming certain scenes which would otherwise be impossible, either because of financial or technological constraints. There are many films today which use CGI in such extremely effective ways that the audience has no idea it's even there. In a lot of cases, there's really no reason NOT to use CGI since you can create a photorealistic scene for a mere fraction of the price of shooting in reality.
@@Aurumai A shame so many CGI artists either suck at what they're doing because they only studied it because they thought it would be all easy, fun and games or aren't given nearly enough time because companies want to cut even more costs
@@BierBart12 Not sure I really know what you're talking about. Most of the CGI in super popular movies today is top notch, albeit *waaaaay* overdone.
Aurumai Ye CGI allows for creating things in films thats just not possible practically, but Its a miss-conception though that CGI is cheaper then shooting practically.
airlockengage back in the days?? How old are you all? The LOTR movies had plenty of CGI put in use. This was just a tasteful choice of getting something done.
Serious respect to those involved in figuring this out. To hell with over-reliance on CGI.
From the hand of who!? Don't leave me in suspense!
Sauron.
Now this is art, unlike whatever it is these days.
Connor, you're 5'6 just get over it
This has to be revolutionary, never nor heard anything like this before.
Peter has always been heavy with practical effects, but this is a different level
Ha, I always thought they used real hobbits
When I look at their rig it looks like it wouldn't work right, but it does. Kudos to the people who figured this out!
The harder/technically more difficult methods always ALWAYS yield better results.
Believe me creating this with cgi would have been a thousand times more difficult at the time they filmed the movie.
Truly amazing, throughout the whole analysis I was amazed at its product but confused in the process, must of taken some physics and a keen eye to make this illusion
re:View brought me here.
this is actually incredible and wow, what innovative filmmaking to solve this problem practically.
And now in The Hobbit they have "Gandalf" crying on a green room regretting taking the role back for such shitty cash grabbing trilogy.
You're wrong, just saying!
WertzOne Think he meant the "cash grabbing trilogy" part.
no he was crying because he is mostly a stage actor or a personal actor that thrives on being around the people he is supposed to be in a scene with. He had to do most of his scenes completely alone giving the illusion he was talking with others. That for him was incredibly lonely, and stressful as an actor without having others to play off of.
I don't blame him. And it's not really a lonely, thing I don't think. I think it just doesn't come out as authentic when you are supposed to be in dialogue with someone, and no one is there.
You should probably realize that they did extensive use of green screen on LOTR as well. When Gandalf first enters bag end they used different sets and compositing. Bilbo and Gandalf weren't even in the camera together. It's not like LOTR didn't use CGI and green screen. The Hobbit definitely eschewed practical in favor of CG though and that is a shame. Though if you ask me a significantly larger problem is the ridiculous changes to the story.
Never could get into this series, but this is art, that was amazing to watch.
If you ever get the chance, get the extended edition dvd set and watch the extras. No film has ever put together a better set of extras. There are literally hours upon hours of this stuff. How they scout for locations... how they decide costume looks, how they pre-viz, how they storyboard, how they do sound effects. And I'm not talking the usual dvd 2 minute fluff pieces. These are like documentaries. Also, the audio commentary tracks are priceless. There are 4 of them with different groups of actors, or director/tech etc. The stories and things they talk about are incredible. There were things they put in sets that will never be seen on camera, but were there for the actors to see and feel it was real.
It would have looked like crap in CGI! This was the time where CGI looked wonky!
^cough^ _Legolas_ ^cough^
This is what love and care for a film and look at it? It doesn't look fake and it still is beautiful than the horrendous CGI
Nowadays we only got forced inclusion
I understand the perspective that because cg can do pretty much anything now, there is no point into putting this much effort, time, and money into practical effects. The audience will just assume it is cg anyway. To me the classic example is the shot of Dorothy exiting her house in the Wizard of Oz - they had to use a sepia-painted wall with a stunt double wearing sepia-toned dress & makeup to accomplish it. Nowadays anyone can achieve the same effect with their iPhone in seconds. But it is sad how much of the magic & awe of the movies has been lost. There are uses of cg that still floor me - de-aging of actors (or reconstruction of dead actors), but even these technologies are available for people to play with on their phone.
2000ish: Man this movie is so great, even with low technique the movies were produced perfectly
2019: Man if this movie doesn't bash on white people it won't be accepted by Hollywood
Truly the genius of film makers, love this stuff sooo much!
CGI destroys cinema! LOTR best! Modern movies all CGI....boring.
The thing about CGI is it's best when you don't notice it's there. Properly done you can produce some simply stunning work with it, but the minute you notice it, it destroys the illusion.
Adam Hickam The minute you notice practical effects it destroys the illusion too.
Very true. I think people are just more hypersensitive to cgi artifacts now though. A blend is always best. Throw the eye for loops.
Morgomir I hope you realize the irony of criticizing CGI for destroying cinema while praising lotr, a movie that won an award for one of the most photo realistic CGI characters at the time.
Those were the days... When CGI augmented “real” special effects and camera trickery. In this case CGI wasn’t even used! I often think about this “moving forced perspective”. I had TLOTR extended versions with all the bonus content, and I was absolutely amazed.
Lets just calm down everyone and enjoy the magic and the genius way of these artists. Yes, i agree with some of the commentators about CGI but lets face it, we are in a different ERA!!! Time and money cant be wasted easily but it is the new age to look for ways to expand your creativity and less consumed hrs of handwork and craftsmanship. Yes i know i know, all started that way with animatronics and craftsmanship. I grew up watching and learning from old school creativities but like i said before this is a new age with the best technology ever!!!!!!
I still only understand half of what they're saying here but these people are geniuses. The fact that they did so much with practical effects and camera tricks instead of always relying on CGI has meant that these movies are 20 years old but the visual effects still look amazing.
I've noticed this effect on lots of movies on shrooms. It's pretty crazy because you can see in great detail the different layers or what have you in the picture.
2:05 smokin the pipe lol. He is gandalf irl
The amount of work that went into the movie amazes me.