I just looked into that, and DAMN. That makes their pink washing even more wild. Apparently, Same sex unions are not legally allowed to be made in Isreal, but ~can~ be recognised if made in another country. This still is not good enough to get the country out of the homophobic box because it's simply not equality for the same arbritrary and unethical reasons our community is criminalised typically. And no matter how many performative queer Isreali representatives they can find that are tolerant and defensive of the cruelty of the IDF, they are still simply a homophobic government, that also happens to be committing a g******e
israel is also one of the countries with the most homophobia related hate crimes. seems like its not a good idea to market your country as a tourist attraction for both extremely conservative "me holy land" christians and gay people
It’s not entirely true, it’s in general impossible to get a civil marriage in Israel , but all civil marriages performed outside the country are recognized. So it’s not illegal.
@@Catperson-p2d No that still means gay marriage is not legal in Israel. The act of getting gay married is illegal, existing while having gay married is not.
This right here is such an unironically brilliant comment. We can do crime as gays, when "crimes" are required to secure our basic rights and equalities. But nothing about anything that the IDF is doing helps us secure those rights, and it just excuses them to deeply harm a human population that statistically, would contain gay people.
Love it! The phrase actually originated from queer anarchism and "do crime" means challenging authority and oppressive (however they manifest) power structures. So in essence, the phrase is designed to fight against regimes like Israel
It's a genuinely terrifying idea, but not a new one by any means: states have tried to manipulate vulnerable communities into eating each other for a long time, but barring fringe exceptions, thet don't succeed because they forget that our entire survival is based on solidarity with the wider struggle against said states and the system they uphold. In short, we are the many, they are the few.
In all honesty, I think the support is needed that the government support us and we should be grateful for that but we can still criticise our government for not doing what’s right
@@smart3803 There’s a very thinly-veiled difference between “People there to celebrate their pride” and “Law enforcement there to keep the queers in check” Abigail Thorn, a lesbian trans woman, recounts being pushed to ground during a protest, by a cop wearing a pride-pin. A rainbow-colored boot is still a boot ready to stand on the back of necks.
The thing is palestine as a muslim country has stricter laws on homosexuality and so many gay palestinians have flocked to israel, promoting israel as a great gay tourist attraction.
@@mohandossvellaichamy6455 its funny, because in Israel is still ilegal gay marriages... They Accept the ones made in other countries, but its ilegal in Israel to get married if you're LGTB.
That second pic hit me the hardest, just because of the description. “A message of hope to the people of Gaza”? How could anyone who helped bomb their homes to rubble give them a message of hope.
@@artemefimov8215 because he’s a member of the military, and even “raised that message of hope” while he was sent there by the military. The Israeli people who are actually sending messages of hope to Gazans, especially gay ones, are the ones who are refusing to do military service and taking the punishment for that.
Its the "Hitler was a vegetarian" argument. Hitler was a vegetarian and was kind to animals, so that makes up for everything else he has done, right. Right? Of course, nothing makes up for genocide, no matter how hard you try to pink wash it.
It really acts as a coping mechanism for those whose minds are so corrupted with hate and violence to prove to themselves more than anyone that they indeed are a good person and that their acts are justified, instead of questioning their moral standings and changing themselves they must find mundane excuses for their own existence.
Thats not a colonist principle its just a useful strategy to win at war... something tells me your people were shit at war and now your crying about how you were oppressed by the white man, because he gave you trains, planes and a working democracy, left then your people fucked it all up on their own. You dont hear brits crying about the Romans or the Vikings. You dont hear Italians moan about the Gothic Tribes. Only the lesser races blame their betters for their own faults. and yes leeser races is accurate my people invented nukes while most africans were just getting to the concept of industrialised agriculture which we gave them and which they still dont understand. Step 1. walking 10 miles to a fucking river is a bad idea build around the river we understood this in the fucking stone age...
Remember, no one deserves to be genocided And if people are able to justify the genocide of one marginalised group, they’ll be able to justify a genocide against you
The one with the tank and israel flag with rainbow on edges pisses me off the most. I think it even had a description smth like "first pride flag ever flown on the Palestinian land". You probably just buried a bunch of gay people (mostly children) in rubble. Stop dragging my community into your genocide. I stand with Palestine 🍉🏳️🌈
@@Eidechseeeeyou misunderstans, they use queer Palestinians ( without ties to terror cells) to infiltrate those terror cells and return information or be outed if they refuse. Denying someone rights is never "fighting for their rights", and saying someone blackmailing an innocent is commendable for "gay rights" not given in Israel is insane
@Eidechseeee it's weird you have to dehumanize them to justify how fucked it is. and no, they aren't tortured and executed for being queer in palestine. i'm not saying homophobia isn't a problem over there, but it's genuinely weird that you don't question why the israeli government does that to queer palestinians in the first place. nope, you just accept it and assume they're "terrorists." that's really fucked up. are you okay with what's happening in gaza too?
Visiting Queering The Map and looking over Palestine is a great way to get a little sad. They all talk about their lost loved ones, and the ones they didn't get to be honest with because of the genocide.
@@gustavju4686no, during the holocaust, homosexuals were forced to ware pink triangles. And I hear light blue is for girls and pink for boys in many places, as red is a virile, manly color.
@@gustavju4686 in Nazi concentration camps, gay men were identified by a pink triangle, hence the term "pink washing". The women's rights movement has historically used purple as its main color.
True, but it can be applied to just any situation of "using LGBTQ+ rights to whitewash/conceal corrupt and unethical acts". Like corporations who sell pride merch every June, but refuse to treat their workers better (not even LGBTQ+ workers).
the problem isnt that they're gay or support gay rights, its that they're doing all this support because they want more military help, theyre not doing it because they think they should
And even then it’s not like the “we deserve equal rights, this is wrong!” crowd are gonna change their opinions just because one country is less homophobic than a much more homophobic one. They are barking at the wrong crowd if they think they can get sympathy from the same people who think they should do better. Imagine if China tried to promote tourism by saying “we are so much more free than North Korea!”. Insane that they think that fact would bridge that huge gap
Yeah, luckily trying to push an agenda through fake acceptance tends to be less successful than through hate (or unluckily I guess, but lucky in this case)
LOL. I would never set foot in Israel as a gay person. Even before I knew of Israel's horrific treatment of Palestinians (learned about it in 2011). Religious ethnostates don't tend to be safe for the LGBT+ community.
@@verager2493It means that they will give full barely-held approximation of tolerance as long as you don’t do anything they disallow -being anything but straight- in their sight. If they can ignore it, and maintain the regime with minimal or no change, that would be fantastic for them.
Israel is the LGBTQ hub of the middle east of course you'll be safe there. They spend billions to defend themselves from the not so nice people on the other side of the border.
@@jonasstrzyz2469 it’s so funny that the only argument yall have is “but at least Israel is not one of those evil, brown- I mean, middle eastern countries”
Also, "but palestine is homophobic!" or "but ukraine is homophobic!" is a shitty argument for invasion even if true. What about it? Do you think the living conditions for queer people is going to _improve_ under a genocide and war?
they don’t perceive it like how they don’t perceive what goes on against the Natives locally and then the PR campaign to avoid accountability not our type of human we learned #2Spirit
It's crazy how many comments I've seen in different places that basically say "they would throw you off a roof why are you defending them?" It's pretty disrespectful and disgusting for awful people to "accept" you as a way to weep awful things like genocide under the rug
Btw, the Balkan countries, and arguably all eastern european countries are literally such femboy countries. Its either that the older population is strictly aigainst it, or that they couldn't care less. But the younger generations are zesty af
@@SchwupsdupsbeepboopI have literally never seen eny "femboys" or whatever in my country, im Gen z and practicly all of the people i know in my school are homophobic.
@@ViviBuchlaw I can't tell tbh. Maybe because the older generation won't matter in a few years, and the younger ones are taking the chance to create a more open society?
because of a 70+ year old agreement with the ultra-orthodox. That prohibition has like a thousand loopholes that are intentionally not fixed, it's de facto legal.
@@ronben-ezer8373 So they do not have the same rights as straight people, just a nebulous opportunity to maybe kinda possibly hopefully have some kind of legal document stating they are attached somehow. That's not equality.
It’s not about right, or legality, or criminalizing anything. It’s the fact that I’m the Middle East, as of today. Israel is the only democratic, yet religious country. Therefore although many would vote for having it be a thing it’s still a giant the Jewish religion so people still follow it. Just like Christians cannot marry Jews in Israel but my bestie got married outside Israel on purpose and she came back and Israel recognized the marriage as legal bonding although they are not from same religion..
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck It is equality. opposite gender marriages are as illegal as gay ones. In that neither are illegal. Israel simply does not have civil marriage.
@@serebii666 They have privileges afforded to heterosexual married couples of the same faith that are not available to others. They say they don't have civil marriages. They are fucking liars.
@@DatFelrynto be fair, other countries outside of Europe are eligible to compete. Morocco competed once, Turkey was in Eurovision for a while, Azerbaijan still does, and technically the countries of northern Africa can also compete, they just don't want to.
To those saying, that the West is bad and East is good type of a thing: I grew up in a culturely Eastern European country located in Central Europe, and I can tell you, that Eastern Europeans are like the Deep South of the US. And yea, I also grew up in Canada. Anything from getting disowned by your family to getting mobed, or beaten up in school or loosing your flat (Only up to 2012). Now I am not saying that this is not happening in the West, but Austria seems a much better place to live the Czech Republic, Slowakia, Hungary or Poland doesnt it. Btw I am trans fem. That being said yes even the UK uses fake Pride pandering to cover the fact, that they sentenced Alan Turing to be castrated for being gay.
You showed a moment of Verka from Ukraine as "israeli drag queen", but he participated as Ukrainian performer in 2007 (or it was as example and I did not get it).
@@Jordan-po4wv Nobody cares. The only people who should speak about what they want is Palestinians. Not you - if you're not Palestinian, it doesn't matter what you want.
@@Jordan-po4wv One side does genocide, the other does not. If someone says "don't do genocide", than yeah, even if they are not the ones getting genocided, that's valid. If you however don't know shit, and you say "genocide's okay/genocide is not happening", you're opinion is not valid, as you don't come from the side that is being genocided, and so your mind is just corrupted by propaganda and bad faith...
@@artistbervucci1716 ok then so if only Palestinians can have opinion on this topic maybe they can fix their problems alone instead of spamming on social media xd I mean I am gay so I will hardly be supporting Palestine, a regime which is commiting genocide on gay people. So fuck Palestine
@@SeniorDee no I hadn't watched the other video that explains Eurovision relays on old radio networks but to answer your question: what? 1sraelis (edited for the algorithm) are settlers, moroccans aren't my guy
@@ladysunsdown1699 legally buying land in the 19th century and then moving there until the UN grants you permission to form a country, only for 5 countries to start attacking you and lose the war and land in the process isnt "settling" as you define it. only the illegal people in the west bank are
The ESC is always gay. We know Austalian and most states on the Americas are settler colonial societies, but they don't feel any obligation to their reslective LGBT communities.
Ok I don't understand what the gay branding has to do with removing palestinians. So if they wouldn't have gay vranding it would be sang by a palestinian? Also would that imply that Palestine is part of isreal as they are part of isreals cover? Would that create unity or just a bigger rift?
Homonationalism (or pink washing) was originally proposed by Jasbir K. And the video literally explains what it is? Like are you dumb? You cannot know “much” about nation and nationalism whilst not being able to comprehend context that’s literally just been explained to you. It refers to when governments utilise being queer friendly, and other countries (many of which developing, post colonial, or in an apartheid state like Palestine)as justification for promoting xenophobia and racism.
Basically, when nationalists (who are also usually homophobic), say shit like "Well, Muslims would kill you as a queer person, so we gotta close the borders", or something like that - they themselves might be homophobic, but they use other side's homophobia, as a way to justify their xenophobia... As explained in the video.
@@mikaclodgo5892 using homosexuality as a way to justify your war crimes is revolting. I am 100% for gay rights and it is disgusting to see it being used for such a horrible thing
What the fuck is eurovison even about i allwaus though it was like different countries in europe getting people to do challenges or something to get points and who ever has the mosy pointss wins Israel isnt in europe why was in it wnd also Didnt Israel get like 300 points and Britain got 0 and thats in Europe
Bruh, Verka Serduchka can be only considered drag quinn, but he never called himself like that. Why you included him in the video, bro clearly has nothing to do with LGBT+😭😭😭
As a leftist queer Israeli, I can't say I enjoy hearing those arguments... However I do aknowlage that it probably means more about my government's policies than about you.
You're not an israeli, you're an illegal settler. If you want to put your money where your mouth is a prove that you're a leftist, you should leave Palestine.
It does…the moment homophobes suddenly start “caring” about gay people in foreign countries is the moment we should raise suspicion. If they hate their own gays, why do they care so much about foreign treatment of gays? And why are they bombing the gays they’re claiming to defend?
What do you mean? I want to come at this first with genuine curiosity, and then adjust depending on your answer. To me it feels, I guess obvious, that this criticism (or more accurately a very obvious weaponization of a marginalized identity) is directed mainly at the Israeli government. Much like how when people shit talk the US (rightfully so), it's more about the people in charge than the average american. But again I could be misconstruing your comment, idk. Maybe you're just acknowledging the Israeli government isn't actually for the gays™ or anything like that, but they know the easiest way to gain western liberal support is by acting just so.
Yeah, I don't think Israel consider Palestinians second class citizens. Legally that place belongs to local, indigenous Jews. European white Jews are first class, African are third class and Palestinians are dehumanized. I hope there's a solution to this.
That’s the thing though. There is no such thing as ”indigenous” jews. After WW2 Israel was given to the jews even thought the arabs had lived there for hundred of years.
@@Jordan-po4wv So what if they owned if thousands of yeats ago? Does that give Italians right to claim the lands of the Roman Emmpire because they owned it before anyone else? No wonder the arabs didn’t like the offer since it’s their land.
Homonationalism: A very modern idea of using the general "acceptance" of LGBTQIA+ (often just the first three) concepts, as a way of expressing a perceived advancement/superiority of your nation in comparison to the perception of other nations. It is often not created by people within said LGBTQIA+ communities, but by politicians to stir up nationalist pride. (i.e. the many examples of the IDF trying to use such tactics to illicit sympathy when invading Palestinians territory.)
@@rakuranhawke8600 Thanks for the explaination. I understood it already before that, it just seems ridicoulus to me that this kind of manipulation needs a specific name. That certain ideals are superior to others is basicly the bread and butter of right wing parties. (Next to fearmongering with it) The idea of superiority/infiority is literally a requirement for nationalistic views. And an easy target for manipulation. On the other hand we really suck at realising when we are manipulated. I doubt though that adding a Homo- helps with the awareness here. It just shows how overfixated we and politics have become on sexuality.
@@nostalji93 I think, in regards to the last part; it is quite the opposite. The usage of LGBTQIA+ issues as a way to express national interests is often quite 'interesting', when it intersects with right-wing parties/authoritarian means of propaganda and narrative. Often governments use avenues like organised religion and/or beauraucracy often because having a form of structure that is known for order is very conducive to create an environment that right-wing individuals use for platforming beliefs. LGBTQIA+ individuals are, often by contrast; a very liberal and counter-cultural antithesis in many cultures (especially in Western Catholic/Evangelical authorities). So often when those right wing parties try to use their supposed acceptance of LGBTQIA+ issues as a talking point to target harassment against other minorities, in spite of their opposition to LGBTQIA+ rights. It is often more easily noticeable the kind of game the politicians are playing.
@@rakuranhawke8600 "LGBTQIA+ individuals are, often by contrast; a very liberal and counter-cultural antithesis in many cultures (especially in Western Catholic/Evangelical authorities" Are you sure you are not just talking about the US? What other western nation would even fit that discription. And even the US is a constitutional Republic and not governed by the church and the bible. Are you referring to the vatican?! lol Like I said the game stategy is old and known: Manipulation. And for that you need powerful emotions like fear, greed and/or entitlement. Why do you think US media pushes Identity politics like crazy? IMO because you can easily manipulate people here for profit.
No, they’re doing something called pinkwashing. It’s where corporations and governments use the LGBTQIA+ community to hide/show what they’re doing isn’t so bad. Even though they’re doing really horrendous stuff. And no matter what kind of person you are what you believe who you love no one should be ever be treated the way people are being treated right now.
a clip from "The [Queer] Politics of Eurovision": ua-cam.com/video/Wnjtzn7ZkCs/v-deo.html
Not to mention the fact gay marriage is not legal in Israel
I just looked into that, and DAMN. That makes their pink washing even more wild.
Apparently, Same sex unions are not legally allowed to be made in Isreal, but ~can~ be recognised if made in another country. This still is not good enough to get the country out of the homophobic box because it's simply not equality for the same arbritrary and unethical reasons our community is criminalised typically.
And no matter how many performative queer Isreali representatives they can find that are tolerant and defensive of the cruelty of the IDF, they are still simply a homophobic government, that also happens to be committing a g******e
israel is also one of the countries with the most homophobia related hate crimes. seems like its not a good idea to market your country as a tourist attraction for both extremely conservative "me holy land" christians and gay people
It’s not entirely true, it’s in general impossible to get a civil marriage in Israel , but all civil marriages performed outside the country are recognized. So it’s not illegal.
@@Catperson-p2d No that still means gay marriage is not legal in Israel. The act of getting gay married is illegal, existing while having gay married is not.
THIS
Yeah, I don't think "Be gay, do crime" should include genocide.
This right here is such an unironically brilliant comment.
We can do crime as gays, when "crimes" are required to secure our basic rights and equalities. But nothing about anything that the IDF is doing helps us secure those rights, and it just excuses them to deeply harm a human population that statistically, would contain gay people.
You didn't forget your mic drop on that did you? Cause daaaaamn!
Dear god this hits so hard.
Love it! The phrase actually originated from queer anarchism and "do crime" means challenging authority and oppressive (however they manifest) power structures. So in essence, the phrase is designed to fight against regimes like Israel
Yeah it's meant to be crimes against the state. Not crimes against humanity
Thank you for bringing up homonationalism!! I feel like more people need to know about this
It's a genuinely terrifying idea, but not a new one by any means: states have tried to manipulate vulnerable communities into eating each other for a long time, but barring fringe exceptions, thet don't succeed because they forget that our entire survival is based on solidarity with the wider struggle against said states and the system they uphold. In short, we are the many, they are the few.
Tbh let's be fair. One minority community was already eating the other one. The one being eaten pain is being weaponized.
Meanwhile they haven't even legalised same gendered weddings
Well they haven't legalized opposite gender weddings either, so they still have marriage equality.
No cops or soldiers on pride, i feel like this was common sense not that long ago
No cops, no soldiers, no zionists. But the firefighters are welcome.
Why not?
In all honesty, I think the support is needed that the government support us and we should be grateful for that but we can still criticise our government for not doing what’s right
Feds have historically been against LGBTQ+ people, so yes, none at Pride.
@@smart3803
There’s a very thinly-veiled difference between “People there to celebrate their pride” and “Law enforcement there to keep the queers in check”
Abigail Thorn, a lesbian trans woman, recounts being pushed to ground during a protest, by a cop wearing a pride-pin. A rainbow-colored boot is still a boot ready to stand on the back of necks.
raising the pride flag as if there are no queer palestinians. as if israel gives a fuc
I know a trans man who was a palestinian Arab, but he gained Israeli citisenship and bought a house in Tel Aviv
The thing is palestine as a muslim country has stricter laws on homosexuality and so many gay palestinians have flocked to israel, promoting israel as a great gay tourist attraction.
@@mohandossvellaichamy6455 its funny, because in Israel is still ilegal gay marriages... They Accept the ones made in other countries, but its ilegal in Israel to get married if you're LGTB.
@@mohandossvellaichamy6455i don’t think describing the death penalty as “stricter laws” is the move brother, do better.
@@lennzo9231I mean, queer Palestinians are currently being subject to what is effectively a death penalty when they're murdered by Israel
That second pic hit me the hardest, just because of the description. “A message of hope to the people of Gaza”? How could anyone who helped bomb their homes to rubble give them a message of hope.
Uh, easy? That's just a soldier, he doesn't decide which civilian block gets destroyed. They are people like you and me.
@@artemefimov8215 did you think I said he played a role in the decision
@@kaitlyn__L why are you thinking he couldn't give them a message of hope then
@@artemefimov8215 because he’s a member of the military, and even “raised that message of hope” while he was sent there by the military. The Israeli people who are actually sending messages of hope to Gazans, especially gay ones, are the ones who are refusing to do military service and taking the punishment for that.
@@kaitlyn__L wow your ignorance is baffling. So much hatred for a fellow man.
"Don't look at what we're doing in Palesine. Look how gay-friendly and 'progressive' we are! Yay us!"
@@Jordan-po4wv why?
Na.zis love na.zis. @@Jordan-po4wv
@@fankcline2434because he has no thoughts in his tiny little head
@@Livereater4000 he is putting that in quotes,, so it's not his thoughts and is making fun of the logic of israhell.
@@chu5757 no I was reacting to a different guy who deleted his comment, I agree with the commenter
Its the "Hitler was a vegetarian" argument. Hitler was a vegetarian and was kind to animals, so that makes up for everything else he has done, right. Right?
Of course, nothing makes up for genocide, no matter how hard you try to pink wash it.
Hitler was not kind to animals, he carried a riding crop an used it on his own and other peoples dogs.
It really acts as a coping mechanism for those whose minds are so corrupted with hate and violence to prove to themselves more than anyone that they indeed are a good person and that their acts are justified, instead of questioning their moral standings and changing themselves they must find mundane excuses for their own existence.
And he wasn't even a vegetarian
Hos doctor suggested a vegetarian diet for his health because he ate exclusively meats etc
Using a gay card to cover up the actual problem....pulling the Blizzard card
It’s literally the colonialist principle “divide and conquer”
Thats not a colonist principle
its just a useful strategy to win at war...
something tells me your people were shit at war and now your crying about how you were oppressed by the white man, because he gave you trains, planes and a working democracy, left then your people fucked it all up on their own.
You dont hear brits crying about the Romans or the Vikings. You dont hear Italians moan about the Gothic Tribes. Only the lesser races blame their betters for their own faults. and yes leeser races is accurate my people invented nukes while most africans were just getting to the concept of industrialised agriculture which we gave them and which they still dont understand. Step 1. walking 10 miles to a fucking river is a bad idea build around the river we understood this in the fucking stone age...
Turning your excellently informed video essay into clips is a great idea! I really hope it gains much more traction
Remember, no one deserves to be genocided
And if people are able to justify the genocide of one marginalised group, they’ll be able to justify a genocide against you
Companies on june 1rst
Dang you were So On Point last year already...
The one with the tank and israel flag with rainbow on edges pisses me off the most. I think it even had a description smth like "first pride flag ever flown on the Palestinian land". You probably just buried a bunch of gay people (mostly children) in rubble. Stop dragging my community into your genocide. I stand with Palestine 🍉🏳️🌈
meanwhile they blackmail queer palestinians into giving them intel or be outed. what an ally
@@Eidechseeee so blackmailing queer Palestinians for intel or get outed.
@@Eidechseeeeyou misunderstans, they use queer Palestinians ( without ties to terror cells) to infiltrate those terror cells and return information or be outed if they refuse. Denying someone rights is never "fighting for their rights", and saying someone blackmailing an innocent is commendable for "gay rights" not given in Israel is insane
You also can't actually have a gay civil marriage in israel, they just recognize gay marriages you got in other countries.
@Eidechseeee it's weird you have to dehumanize them to justify how fucked it is. and no, they aren't tortured and executed for being queer in palestine. i'm not saying homophobia isn't a problem over there, but it's genuinely weird that you don't question why the israeli government does that to queer palestinians in the first place. nope, you just accept it and assume they're "terrorists." that's really fucked up.
are you okay with what's happening in gaza too?
Visiting Queering The Map and looking over Palestine is a great way to get a little sad. They all talk about their lost loved ones, and the ones they didn't get to be honest with because of the genocide.
fun fact: pinkwashing as a term was made specifically for israel
Isn't pinkwashing about women rights? (Rainbow washing would be the case with homonationalism)
@@gustavju4686no, during the holocaust, homosexuals were forced to ware pink triangles.
And I hear light blue is for girls and pink for boys in many places, as red is a virile, manly color.
@@gustavju4686 in Nazi concentration camps, gay men were identified by a pink triangle, hence the term "pink washing". The women's rights movement has historically used purple as its main color.
@@gustavju4686 no, surprisingly, it's about gay people(mostly men)
True, but it can be applied to just any situation of "using LGBTQ+ rights to whitewash/conceal corrupt and unethical acts".
Like corporations who sell pride merch every June, but refuse to treat their workers better (not even LGBTQ+ workers).
I love your videos and its nice getting your clips now too
Be gay do crimes does not extend to war crimes.
The only crimes that count are crimes against the elite
the problem isnt that they're gay or support gay rights, its that they're doing all this support because they want more military help, theyre not doing it because they think they should
And even then it’s not like the “we deserve equal rights, this is wrong!” crowd are gonna change their opinions just because one country is less homophobic than a much more homophobic one. They are barking at the wrong crowd if they think they can get sympathy from the same people who think they should do better.
Imagine if China tried to promote tourism by saying “we are so much more free than North Korea!”. Insane that they think that fact would bridge that huge gap
Jokes on them though, the country they're leaning on for the most support has nearly half of its leaders trying to make gay people illegal 😎
They didn’t give a shit about is until they realized we could be good for them
Thanks for bringing this to light
Ironically all the gay people I know are Anti-Israel xD Mission failed
Yeah, luckily trying to push an agenda through fake acceptance tends to be less successful than through hate (or unluckily I guess, but lucky in this case)
Which makes no sense, tbh. Hamas calls for the death of gay people
How dare they associate love with genocide?
Because it tricks ignorant people very easily
LOL. I would never set foot in Israel as a gay person. Even before I knew of Israel's horrific treatment of Palestinians (learned about it in 2011). Religious ethnostates don't tend to be safe for the LGBT+ community.
Gay marriage is literally illegal there. They have some bullshit about "respecting existing marriages" but who knows what that even means
@@verager2493It means that they will give full barely-held approximation of tolerance as long as you don’t do anything they disallow -being anything but straight- in their sight. If they can ignore it, and maintain the regime with minimal or no change, that would be fantastic for them.
Israel is the LGBTQ hub of the middle east of course you'll be safe there. They spend billions to defend themselves from the not so nice people on the other side of the border.
@@jonasstrzyz2469 nothing justifies genocide.
@@jonasstrzyz2469 it’s so funny that the only argument yall have is “but at least Israel is not one of those evil, brown- I mean, middle eastern countries”
Also, "but palestine is homophobic!" or "but ukraine is homophobic!" is a shitty argument for invasion even if true. What about it? Do you think the living conditions for queer people is going to _improve_ under a genocide and war?
"But they don't believe in your rights" and???? That doesn't mean we don't believe in theirs!
Hey, I’m pretty sure I saw that military lady during Stockholm pride, I think last year? Cool throwback.
they don’t perceive it like how they don’t perceive what goes on against the Natives locally
and then the PR campaign to avoid accountability
not our type of human we learned
#2Spirit
the insane part is gay marriage isnt even legal and transition is fairly restrictive in israel
It's crazy how many comments I've seen in different places that basically say "they would throw you off a roof why are you defending them?" It's pretty disrespectful and disgusting for awful people to "accept" you as a way to weep awful things like genocide under the rug
Btw, the Balkan countries, and arguably all eastern european countries are literally such femboy countries. Its either that the older population is strictly aigainst it, or that they couldn't care less. But the younger generations are zesty af
What spending too much time on r/2Balkan4You does to a person:
@@quokka_yt Bro, I literally go to Croatia and Bosnia nearly every summer💀
@@SchwupsdupsbeepboopI have literally never seen eny "femboys" or whatever in my country, im Gen z and practicly all of the people i know in my school are homophobic.
Is it just the cultural norms are different or maybe queer people feeling more open to expressing themselves?
@@ViviBuchlaw I can't tell tbh. Maybe because the older generation won't matter in a few years, and the younger ones are taking the chance to create a more open society?
Gay marriage is not legal in Israel if they cared so much about the community why is it a crime to get married there for them?
because of a 70+ year old agreement with the ultra-orthodox. That prohibition has like a thousand loopholes that are intentionally not fixed, it's de facto legal.
@@ronben-ezer8373
So they do not have the same rights as straight people, just a nebulous opportunity to maybe kinda possibly hopefully have some kind of legal document stating they are attached somehow.
That's not equality.
It’s not about right, or legality, or criminalizing anything. It’s the fact that I’m the Middle East, as of today. Israel is the only democratic, yet religious country. Therefore although many would vote for having it be a thing it’s still a giant the Jewish religion so people still follow it. Just like Christians cannot marry Jews in Israel but my bestie got married outside Israel on purpose and she came back and Israel recognized the marriage as legal bonding although they are not from same religion..
@@Galdenberry_Lamphuck It is equality. opposite gender marriages are as illegal as gay ones. In that neither are illegal. Israel simply does not have civil marriage.
@@serebii666
They have privileges afforded to heterosexual married couples of the same faith that are not available to others.
They say they don't have civil marriages.
They are fucking liars.
Israel isn't even in Europe. why are they in eurovision.
Why is Australia in the eurovision?
because they have a partnership with the EBU
it takes all of 2 seconds to look this up. they first debued in 1973
An israeli oil company is a major partner/funder of the Eurovision.. it's all dirty oil business
Eurovishion expanded medivel europe style
@@DatFelrynto be fair, other countries outside of Europe are eligible to compete. Morocco competed once, Turkey was in Eurovision for a while, Azerbaijan still does, and technically the countries of northern Africa can also compete, they just don't want to.
NOT IN OUR NAME !
From the river to the sea 🇵🇸🏳️🌈
Coloniaers will coopt literally anything as long as it furthers their goals in the moment
To those saying, that the West is bad and East is good type of a thing:
I grew up in a culturely Eastern European country located in Central Europe, and I can tell you, that Eastern Europeans are like the Deep South of the US. And yea, I also grew up in Canada. Anything from getting disowned by your family to getting mobed, or beaten up in school or loosing your flat (Only up to 2012). Now I am not saying that this is not happening in the West, but Austria seems a much better place to live the Czech Republic, Slowakia, Hungary or Poland doesnt it. Btw I am trans fem.
That being said yes even the UK uses fake Pride pandering to cover the fact, that they sentenced Alan Turing to be castrated for being gay.
Israel never fails to disappoint
You showed a moment of Verka from Ukraine as "israeli drag queen", but he participated as Ukrainian performer in 2007 (or it was as example and I did not get it).
Verka performed in Israel in 2019
theyre gonna switch up quick
Сердючка goes hard ngl
Free Palestine
@@Jordan-po4wvBegone, zionazi. Everyone else wants to free Palestine.
@@Jordan-po4wv Nobody cares. The only people who should speak about what they want is Palestinians. Not you - if you're not Palestinian, it doesn't matter what you want.
@@Jordan-po4wv One side does genocide, the other does not. If someone says "don't do genocide", than yeah, even if they are not the ones getting genocided, that's valid. If you however don't know shit, and you say "genocide's okay/genocide is not happening", you're opinion is not valid, as you don't come from the side that is being genocided, and so your mind is just corrupted by propaganda and bad faith...
@@Jordan-po4wv Bait used to be believable 🗿
@@artistbervucci1716 ok then so if only Palestinians can have opinion on this topic maybe they can fix their problems alone instead of spamming on social media xd I mean I am gay so I will hardly be supporting Palestine, a regime which is commiting genocide on gay people. So fuck Palestine
Yha and then they don’t give the other countries a chance to change and become more accepting because of what they are doing.
why are they in eurovision? doesn’t that prove they aren’t indigenous and are in fact european colonizers???
It's a pretty good PR move on their part.
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Id rather go to westbank, where our community has been decriminalised since 1951...
This is why every country that’s doing this is doing this.
That is actually a very good marketing tactic
Not really, it's not working
imagine participating in Eurovision and still having the audacity to say you're not European settlers T____TTTTTT
morocco was also in the Eurovision same with Azerbaijan are they european?
most Israeli Jews are of middle eastern or at least mixed descent
@@SeniorDee no I hadn't watched the other video that explains Eurovision relays on old radio networks but to answer your question: what? 1sraelis (edited for the algorithm) are settlers, moroccans aren't my guy
@@ronben-ezer8373 I think you're missing the [ethnic cleansing] point
@@ladysunsdown1699 legally buying land in the 19th century and then moving there until the UN grants you permission to form a country, only for 5 countries to start attacking you and lose the war and land in the process isnt "settling" as you define it. only the illegal people in the west bank are
Why would I ever spend a single day on that piece of cursed land?
This is kinda off topic but why was Israel a middle eastern country hosting eurovision
NOT IN OUR NAME
Yeah I don’t know how putting gay people on stage proves that they aren’t a colonial state on Palestinian land
The world can see what Israel is doing to Palestine but no one will do anything to help
There’s a reason the new pride flags include black and brown colors.
Well now the left and the right dont want them 😂😂😂
The ESC is always gay. We know Austalian and most states on the Americas are settler colonial societies, but they don't feel any obligation to their reslective LGBT communities.
How can this not be a trap ?
Israel Intel ex agents have speak about how the illegitimate state has work in learn how to identify and targets queer palestinian
While it's true that Palestinine is awful to queer people I never considered homophobia a valid motive for massacres.
Ok I don't understand what the gay branding has to do with removing palestinians. So if they wouldn't have gay vranding it would be sang by a palestinian? Also would that imply that Palestine is part of isreal as they are part of isreals cover? Would that create unity or just a bigger rift?
they both ✨️slayyyy✨️💅🏻🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
and 🩸slay🩸🗡💀🔫
When you commit a crime to cover up something that isnt....
Can someone for the love of god explain to me why Israel is even a part of EUROvision, let alone allowed to be???
Beware on the appearance
just send you orginal to two people how wantet to know about the scandal!
Get religion out of politics
Calling gayness a religion? 😅
@@gustavju4686 I’m talking about the Abrahamic religions problems with gay people
As a person who knows much about nation and nationalism I would like to ask: what the hell is homonationalism? Who in the hell made this terminology?
The west
Homonationalism (or pink washing) was originally proposed by Jasbir K. And the video literally explains what it is? Like are you dumb? You cannot know “much” about nation and nationalism whilst not being able to comprehend context that’s literally just been explained to you. It refers to when governments utilise being queer friendly, and other countries (many of which developing, post colonial, or in an apartheid state like Palestine)as justification for promoting xenophobia and racism.
Other countries not being*
Basically, when nationalists (who are also usually homophobic), say shit like "Well, Muslims would kill you as a queer person, so we gotta close the borders", or something like that - they themselves might be homophobic, but they use other side's homophobia, as a way to justify their xenophobia... As explained in the video.
look it up on wikipedia.
Swapping sides*
It's a psyop
God I hate the future
This is so revolting
Excuse me I don't understand 😅
@@mikaclodgo5892 using homosexuality as a way to justify your war crimes is revolting. I am 100% for gay rights and it is disgusting to see it being used for such a horrible thing
Actually yeah I totally agree with you sorry I didn't understand it at first
I steal house i change color for u so love me
What the fuck is eurovison even about i allwaus though it was like different countries in europe getting people to do challenges or something to get points and who ever has the mosy pointss wins Israel isnt in europe why was in it wnd also Didnt Israel get like 300 points and Britain got 0 and thats in Europe
Weaponized "progressivism". All on the aesthetic, none on the facts.
Bruh, Verka Serduchka can be only considered drag quinn, but he never called himself like that. Why you included him in the video, bro clearly has nothing to do with LGBT+😭😭😭
As a leftist queer Israeli, I can't say I enjoy hearing those arguments... However I do aknowlage that it probably means more about my government's policies than about you.
The Israeli govt is using these tactics to distract, disguise and mask the fact that behind close doors, they are committing genocide
You're not an israeli, you're an illegal settler. If you want to put your money where your mouth is a prove that you're a leftist, you should leave Palestine.
It does…the moment homophobes suddenly start “caring” about gay people in foreign countries is the moment we should raise suspicion. If they hate their own gays, why do they care so much about foreign treatment of gays?
And why are they bombing the gays they’re claiming to defend?
What do you mean? I want to come at this first with genuine curiosity, and then adjust depending on your answer. To me it feels, I guess obvious, that this criticism (or more accurately a very obvious weaponization of a marginalized identity) is directed mainly at the Israeli government. Much like how when people shit talk the US (rightfully so), it's more about the people in charge than the average american.
But again I could be misconstruing your comment, idk. Maybe you're just acknowledging the Israeli government isn't actually for the gays™ or anything like that, but they know the easiest way to gain western liberal support is by acting just so.
I'm also interested in hearing your thoughts further.
Also, ISRAEL HAS LITERALLY BUILT A CONCENTRATION CAMP IN THE NEGEV DESERT
Pinkwashing
#FreePalestine 🇵🇸
This is…disgusting
I truly believe they intentionally rigged madonna’s performance because it would distract from the flags on the dancers costume.
So condescending
Yeah, I don't think Israel consider Palestinians second class citizens. Legally that place belongs to local, indigenous Jews. European white Jews are first class, African are third class and Palestinians are dehumanized. I hope there's a solution to this.
That’s the thing though. There is no such thing as ”indigenous” jews. After WW2 Israel was given to the jews even thought the arabs had lived there for hundred of years.
@@Jordan-po4wv So what if they owned if thousands of yeats ago? Does that give Italians right to claim the lands of the Roman Emmpire because they owned it before anyone else?
No wonder the arabs didn’t like the offer since it’s their land.
@@Jordan-po4wv yes, 2009
@ufobob1615 but even after the diaspora, not every single Jew left, there were settlements there.
God just shut up
Legally doesn't mean shit
Homonationalism?! Wtf
Homonationalism: A very modern idea of using the general "acceptance" of LGBTQIA+ (often just the first three) concepts, as a way of expressing a perceived advancement/superiority of your nation in comparison to the perception of other nations.
It is often not created by people within said LGBTQIA+ communities, but by politicians to stir up nationalist pride. (i.e. the many examples of the IDF trying to use such tactics to illicit sympathy when invading Palestinians territory.)
@@rakuranhawke8600 Thanks for the explaination. I understood it already before that, it just seems ridicoulus to me that this kind of manipulation needs a specific name. That certain ideals are superior to others is basicly the bread and butter of right wing parties. (Next to fearmongering with it) The idea of superiority/infiority is literally a requirement for nationalistic views. And an easy target for manipulation.
On the other hand we really suck at realising when we are manipulated. I doubt though that adding a Homo- helps with the awareness here. It just shows how overfixated we and politics have become on sexuality.
@@nostalji93 I think, in regards to the last part; it is quite the opposite. The usage of LGBTQIA+ issues as a way to express national interests is often quite 'interesting', when it intersects with right-wing parties/authoritarian means of propaganda and narrative.
Often governments use avenues like organised religion and/or beauraucracy often because having a form of structure that is known for order is very conducive to create an environment that right-wing individuals use for platforming beliefs.
LGBTQIA+ individuals are, often by contrast; a very liberal and counter-cultural antithesis in many cultures (especially in Western Catholic/Evangelical authorities). So often when those right wing parties try to use their supposed acceptance of LGBTQIA+ issues as a talking point to target harassment against other minorities, in spite of their opposition to LGBTQIA+ rights. It is often more easily noticeable the kind of game the politicians are playing.
@@rakuranhawke8600 "LGBTQIA+ individuals are, often by contrast; a very liberal and counter-cultural antithesis in many cultures (especially in Western Catholic/Evangelical authorities"
Are you sure you are not just talking about the US? What other western nation would even fit that discription. And even the US is a constitutional Republic and not governed by the church and the bible. Are you referring to the vatican?! lol
Like I said the game stategy is old and known: Manipulation. And for that you need powerful emotions like fear, greed and/or entitlement. Why do you think US media pushes Identity politics like crazy? IMO because you can easily manipulate people here for profit.
"Pinkwashing"
So being gay is bad?
No
No, they’re doing something called pinkwashing. It’s where corporations and governments use the LGBTQIA+ community to hide/show what they’re doing isn’t so bad. Even though they’re doing really horrendous stuff. And no matter what kind of person you are what you believe who you love no one should be ever be treated the way people are being treated right now.
Being gay isnt bad. Justifying genocide just because you've somewhat increased gay rights in the past 10 years is.
@@karlaleksander6104 why is Being gay Bad
Literally who said that in the video? What could have possibly given you that idea.