A fabrication table or some piece of heavy, true steel is a must, along with fixtures. I spend a lot of time trying to combat warpage on a Harbor Freight portable table; very difficult when the sheet steel itself is flawed. Warpage has been the hardest thing for me while welding, and I see why so many designs engineer around it by using things like risers.
I don't have a fab table. I use a 4' long piece of 6"x 6" x 3/8" steel beam that's dead straight. I can get as accurate as I want with it. There's the key, "as accurate as I want". With a little patience, anyone can get good results. Too many shops won't take the time required for accuracy.
Knowing its going to be analyised gives you the unfair advantage, youll make extra sure is all correct, how ever the shops still should have made it to spec anyways i know.
I just watched the Fireball Video again. He never said that you need a fixture table, He said it makes it easier to build and fabricate and check your work.
The purpose of Jason’s test was to see if you could make those in tolerance without a fixture table because one of his viewers said he didn’t need a 10k table to make those. So, Jimbo see how you do without the table.
How come you don't use the holes and table fixtures to set the dimensions of the frame first? Isn't the table grid more accurate then the tape measure? Jason says you should set up the fixtures first and let the material conform to the table.
considering you're using welded sq tube to begin with, which is not even remotely high tolerance as far as flat, straight, etc... that 18 thou you got is NOTHING. It could have easily been way worse than that through no fault of your own.
that was the 2nd challenge ... fireball did 2 different versions ... the one with the legs one guy asked so what is it like a coffee table or end table and the fireball guy said: ya something like this ... at that point he lost me .... he set the guy up for failure ... he didnt point out the overly tight tolerances on the fabricated part ... he made it sound like it did matter .... that is very dishonest in my opinion ...
already failed after cutting pieces.... for finish pieces always line up seams to the inside. it is one of the things he called out in his original video.
shame you didnt match the box seams too ,,, tidy job all the same. but no weld prep and welds that didnt look all that hot does not make a great product .
Hate to say it but you failed the fireball tool challenge right off the bat. If you got the wrong material then you failed. The challenge is to make it to the print. You said you would never send something out the door that was not in tolerance. Material thickness is a tolerance. So if you make a mistake with your customers have you just gave it to them anyway because after welding it together they could not tell and maybe some people you done things for didn’t know the difference. Quote a job for .125 wall and used .0625 wall because you knew you could get by with it to make more money.
It is easy to be precise fabricator with 20 clamps, welding table, 40 fireball tool squares... Not everyone is sponzored with multiple sponsors like youtube fabricators. Not everyone have milwaukee, welding table, 10 HTP welders, etc. I dont have anything against people like Jimbo or others, i just say that this is not the way that things get done in every shop in real world, and that people that have limited ammount of tools and stil get the job done and are proud of the product at the very end that has turned out flat, square, 'right on the money' , are better fabricators than these guys. If you look trough whole youtube, shops are equipped with several thousands of dollars in sponsored tool. For regular fabricator that is not sponsored big part of those tools is almost impossible to get .
Not investing in your own shop is not an excuse to not make parts within spec if you accept a job with prints and tolerances called out you can’t make an excuse why they aren’t to spec any fabricator with a shop should be able to easily build a square to tolerance don’t make excuses even with no fixture table you can buy a 3/8-1/2” thick plate for a table top and it will be well within flat tolerances plus there are fixture tables that are 3-500$ now so really no excuse even a garage fab guy should be able to make a square well within spec
I will agree with you in principle. The same can be said for all the woodworkers on UA-cam, but there are levels of precision that cannot be achieved, guaranteed or repeated without better tools. Most tools allow us to trade money for improvement in our craft, usually time and/or quality. We all try to do the best we can with what we have, and some will always have nicer toys.
Fixture tables are setting higher standards in fabrication. They are providing more accuracy, speed and precision over traditional methods. If your business is fabrication your going to get left in the dust by the shop that has adopted fixture tables into their workflow. Fixture tables are here to stay.
Jimbo, that was fantastic. You are the real deal, not Fireballs Tools. You take care of the little guy while Fireball goes after the big money. You're the people's welder and do a great job and service to your community. Keep being the good guy.
You should ship them to me. I'll test them out. I'm sure they would pass. Nice work
No, the real end of test would have been sending the squares off to Fireball Tool. Fireball is the judge.
This was a fun video for me! Jimbos Garage and Fireball Tools are the only fabrication UA-cam channels that I subscribe to. Keep up the good work!!
Like I always said, Jimbo, you do some mighty fine work...
See you next time, on JIMBO'S GARAGE...
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A fabrication table or some piece of heavy, true steel is a must, along with fixtures.
I spend a lot of time trying to combat warpage on a Harbor Freight portable table; very difficult when the sheet steel itself is flawed. Warpage has been the hardest thing for me while welding, and I see why so many designs engineer around it by using things like risers.
I don't have a fab table. I use a 4' long piece of 6"x 6" x 3/8" steel beam that's dead straight. I can get as accurate as I want with it. There's the key, "as accurate as I want". With a little patience, anyone can get good results. Too many shops won't take the time required for accuracy.
Time is money. That’s why fixture tables and all the clamps are an investment.
Lol that beam isn't anywhere near "Dead Straight". Your ignorance is on full display.
Knowing its going to be analyised gives you the unfair advantage, youll make extra sure is all correct, how ever the shops still should have made it to spec anyways i know.
exactly, now doing this kind of challenge is useless if you now the outcome.
Great job Jimbo.
The Whole Point Of His Videos Was That You NEED A Fixture Table!!!
He Was Trying To Sell Tables!!!!
I watched the fireball video and he was real deceiving about how he baited the people ….. NOT professional at all ….
I just watched the Fireball Video again. He never said that you need a fixture table, He said it makes it easier to build and fabricate and check your work.
Jason is the same type of person that thinks you’re aren’t a woodworker unless you have $20,000 in Festool.
Wanted to say, love your channel always look forward to your videos. 👍
Failed u started with the wrong material 😂 but they were perfect 😂😂
Its only sooo good because you are a good welder and you used the HTP revolution machine !!!
To be as square as the negative commenters? .... impossible!😅 Good job Jim!!
The purpose of Jason’s test was to see if you could make those in tolerance without a fixture table because one of his viewers said he didn’t need a 10k table to make those. So, Jimbo see how you do without the table.
How come you don't use the holes and table fixtures to set the dimensions of the frame first? Isn't the table grid more accurate then the tape measure? Jason says you should set up the fixtures first and let the material conform to the table.
Id like to see Jason redo the challenge but supply the material cut to size and see if the shops still get it wrong at the assembly stage?
Where is the weld prep? With out “Veeing” out the welds, it looks like you ground most of the weld off.
Its thin material. Theres more than enough penetration.
Why is your welds letting off so much sparks and sounds like it is supper fast... welds also look like very proud. Looks like a catapiler...
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considering you're using welded sq tube to begin with, which is not even remotely high tolerance as far as flat, straight, etc... that 18 thou you got is NOTHING. It could have easily been way worse than that through no fault of your own.
Don't forget Jason tested flatness on a granite surface block which is far more flat and accurate than any steel table
I thought the challenge has 4 upright tubes off each base?
that was the 2nd challenge ... fireball did 2 different versions ... the one with the legs one guy asked so what is it like a coffee table or end table and the fireball guy said: ya something like this ... at that point he lost me .... he set the guy up for failure ... he didnt point out the overly tight tolerances on the fabricated part ... he made it sound like it did matter .... that is very dishonest in my opinion ...
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already failed after cutting pieces.... for finish pieces always line up seams to the inside. it is one of the things he called out in his original video.
In his challenge he required no fixture table, fail on that point. I commented on his video that he should follow his own rules.
shame you didnt match the box seams too ,,, tidy job all the same. but no weld prep and welds that didnt look all that hot does not make a great product .
What happened 20:24 😂
Use of wrong material is automatic fail. If the client ask for X they should get X.
it should always be X ....!!!! much more freedom and less censorship as FB or IG ....
Hate to say it but you failed the fireball tool challenge right off the bat. If you got the wrong material then you failed. The challenge is to make it to the print. You said you would never send something out the door that was not in tolerance. Material thickness is a tolerance. So if you make a mistake with your customers have you just gave it to them anyway because after welding it together they could not tell and maybe some people you done things for didn’t know the difference. Quote a job for .125 wall and used .0625 wall because you knew you could get by with it to make more money.
I was going to say the same thing. Test is void because of incorrect material size.
Lol would you expect anything else from a guy getting money from a Chinese black stallion? I have a jacket myself i just hate made in China🇨🇳
We have a bunch of Karen’s in the comments! What’s with all the hate lately?!
It is easy to be precise fabricator with 20 clamps, welding table, 40 fireball tool squares... Not everyone is sponzored with multiple sponsors like youtube fabricators. Not everyone have milwaukee, welding table, 10 HTP welders, etc. I dont have anything against people like Jimbo or others, i just say that this is not the way that things get done in every shop in real world, and that people that have limited ammount of tools and stil get the job done and are proud of the product at the very end that has turned out flat, square, 'right on the money' , are better fabricators than these guys.
If you look trough whole youtube, shops are equipped with several thousands of dollars in sponsored tool. For regular fabricator that is not sponsored big part of those tools is almost impossible to get .
Not investing in your own shop is not an excuse to not make parts within spec if you accept a job with prints and tolerances called out you can’t make an excuse why they aren’t to spec any fabricator with a shop should be able to easily build a square to tolerance don’t make excuses even with no fixture table you can buy a 3/8-1/2” thick plate for a table top and it will be well within flat tolerances plus there are fixture tables that are 3-500$ now so really no excuse even a garage fab guy should be able to make a square well within spec
I will agree with you in principle. The same can be said for all the woodworkers on UA-cam, but there are levels of precision that cannot be achieved, guaranteed or repeated without better tools. Most tools allow us to trade money for improvement in our craft, usually time and/or quality. We all try to do the best we can with what we have, and some will always have nicer toys.
Fixture tables are setting higher standards in fabrication. They are providing more accuracy, speed and precision over traditional methods. If your business is fabrication your going to get left in the dust by the shop that has adopted fixture tables into their workflow. Fixture tables are here to stay.
Well done Jimbo. No one needs fireball tools.
They are not a must, but they for sure are some nice products that help out and makes fabrication quicker.
Jimbo, that was fantastic. You are the real deal, not Fireballs Tools. You take care of the little guy while Fireball goes after the big money. You're the people's welder and do a great job and service to your community. Keep being the good guy.