These Bosch motors are sooo good. I drive daily here in the Bulgarian Pirin mountains and it just works so well. There is never a situation where I do a wheelie (even when going up very steep hills) - the motor sensors just get it. I drive nearly exclusively in then highest setting (300%). Thx Propel!
I describe the Bosch system the exact same way! Most hub motor systems with throttles feel like your riding a motor vehicle and you can help it with your pedaling. Riding the Bosch system is just like riding a bicycle but you feel really strong!
I have one of these and dropped $7,000 to get one a month ago. That’s just how much they are here in Canada. I’ve been riding eBikes for a long time, my first one being a lead acid battery cruiser from the early 2000s. The NBD is not as elegant a ride as my other current Cannondale eBike but it has its merits. I wanted to bring my small dog on rides and she rides comfortably in a basket on the rear rack. The low centre of gravity, smaller wheels and very low step over helps make the ride safer, easier. The high cost of the bike is justified by our smiles and fun. A bonus of having a suspension seat post means lady bits don’t get so sore, and longer rides are a pleasure. The Bosch performance line motor and large Intuvia controller takes the sweat out of riding. This is my fourth eBike in twenty years and is one of my favourites. The Tern accessories available expands the usefulness and look okay. I would suggest a rear basket or front rack.
My R&M makes me feel like a kid who could bike all day not like my 64 year old legs without assistance. I rode 15 miles each way to work and it is fun again. My wife wants a Tern.
I've tried many ebikes and have to say bosch system is by far the best, it's natural feeling and like having bionic legs. I have a R&M Charger with almost 13000 miles on it , not one problem with it and can't keep off it.
I test rode the NBD this weekend. I loved the comfort - the Gates belt drive, smooth hydraulic discs brakes and Andros stem felt luxe. The only thing preventing me from immediately buying it was the lack of an active brake light and overall weight (5-10 lbs lighter would make me less worried about my mixed mode commute)
Nice to have, but in areas of high bike thefts they do not suffice to protect your bike from being stolen. Best to use a heavy duty U lock like the Hiplok X1000 or XD1000 or the Litelok X1 or X3. For an expensive bike a heavy duty chain like the Hiplok mega chain with a top quality padlock gives you even more locking flexibility. None of these locks are cheap, but if you are riding an expensive bike I would say it is worth the cost.
Oh man I loved everything about this bike except for the price. I'm looking into my first bike purchase, but I don't think I can justify dropping $4k. I'd be too worried about theft.
Depending on where you live, you might be able to register your bike with services like Project 529, which really help reduce the incidence of bike theft. That, and making sure to have a good lock (and cable for the front wheel!), locking it in high-traffic areas with other bikes, and not leaving it locked outdoors overnight, do a lot to reduce risk. But yeah, I have my $4k bike insured separately against theft, I still worry too.
There's bike insurance. I have Velosurance. I also have a quality heavy chain lock. It was around $300-400. I've left my bike at he train station for hours and it was fine. I was once too tired to bring it to my building's basement and left it chained to a gate at a park near my building. It was fine. I can tell there's been a few attempts but no one has made a dent in the chain. I've locked to light poles, stop signs or other city signs- as long as the base is secure I'll lock. Cities definitely need to invest in secure bike lockers in residential areas. I happened to get lucky with my building having a basement. Wasn't a big concern when I moved in but now it's a decision in any new place I consider.
In addition to a Cafe lock and Bordo extreme folding lock, I also always quickly set a cheap $20 disc brake alarm clamp onto the front disc. It's a solid block of stainless steel with a built-in 110db alarm. All the 3 lock plan take me about 45 seconds the lock & unlock
I’d say the Bosch system does just feel like you but stronger except for turbo at low speed where it can be a bit jerky. It’s just a bit too keen to give you the power if you just moving the bike around but once your riding it’s great.
This is the kind of bike that could get a lot of people out of their cars. We bike fans have to admit it: a lot of people are scared of bikes, especially the ones with high stepover height
Nice bike, seems strange to me though that tern have hsd, gsd, quickhaul, now nbd. They are all pretty similar bikes, I wouldn't be surprised if they are just cannibalising their own sales from other models.
@@Propelbikes Nice review of the bike too! I have an ebike with 8-speed Shimano hub gear and I use mostly 1, 3,5 and 7 and a little of 8th gear on my commute. A well spaced 5-speed hub would be fine!
Wouldn’t buy another class 1 Bosch. Sometimes you need some extra momentum to get up hills or to stay up with traffic. Really wish they would consider the US market and our laws that allow class 3 bikes.
@@Propelbikes there are, and I ride a class 1. I just wish I could go past 18.5 mph on occasion which is were it hits a wall. It would help a ton for my use.
Hey Chris. The Propel website has an Ergotec Double Flex 3 listed for sale. I think that's what came stock on my Gen 1 GSD S00. I just lost a bolt out of one of the legs and I'm struggling to replace it. None of the local bike shops had a replacement. I've got a bunch of stuff from Ace hardware to MacGyver my way to a temporary fix. Anyway, I don't know that I need to upgrade to the Atlas. I'm on the fence and the need to have the Atlas installed professionally is discouraging. Could I buy another Ergotec and swap it out myself? I'm pretty handy, although a novice a bike wrenching.
Hey! I think this should be doable. Sometime you need specific sockets and attachments to get into the place to remove and replace the bolt, but it should be manageable. If you order just please put in the notes that it’s for a Gen 1 GSD and they can ensure the right fitment.
That is not what I have been told from Shimano. The Nexus 8 speed is limited to 55Nm along with the Alfine 8 and 11 speed. I have experience with those hubs giving out when under too much torque. The reality is they were designed before eBikes were really a thing.
I like the forward placed pedals and motor this was just what i was looking for for when i bought my low step through ebike. Too rich for my blood though so i guess I'll keep what I got!😅 Definitely keep it in mind in case we get a windfall... I'm in the uk mind so dont know if i could get it over here or not....i do like the verticle storage option too.
I have this same Cafe Lock on my Gazelle. At first I had your same concerns so I kept a spare key always in my pocket, but now after 16 months and 1200 miles I've found this lock system to be the best super easy and carefree
Seems well placed to compete with the Reise + Muller Tinker 2. Good to see more e-bikes with a big range of adjustability coming to market. These are meant to be replacing a family car for some journeys, and no-one would accept dropping a huge chunk of cash on a car that only one person in the family can comfortably drive!
This common design that a lot of e-bikes have now where there's a little flip forward part at the top of what used to be called the stem, seems completely illogical to me. If someone wants their handlebars to be lower, it's usually because they are shorter. But to make the handlebars lower you have to push them farther forward, which is not good for shorter people. It means that shorter people have to lean farther forward to reach their handlebars. Why don't they design them so that if you want the handlebars lower, you bring them down and closer to the rider? Personally, the whole idea of making the only way to adjust handlebar height be swinging the handlebars forward and back, seems ludicrous to me, considering that we used to have a perfectly good mechanism for adjusting the height of handlebars. And they just threw that away in favor of something far more complicated and just waiting for an excuse to start slipping. Given that the entire industry has decided to give up the old style goosenecks and threaded forks, I would much rather simply see new threadless forks with a much taller tube, that allows me to move my handlebars up and down as I see fit. I can then either cut off excess tube, or I can put some padding on the excess tube that sticks up facing me. As it stands, if I buy any of these pre-made electric bicycles, then I will be forced to buy an entirely new set of forks just to get a taller tube, just so that I can have my handlebars where I actually freaking want them. That adds at least $100 to the price of any electric bicycle I would buy. Which means, that I'm far less likely to buy any of them. They need to start, at least giving people the option of how tall they want that fork tube to go when selling those bicycles.
liked, commented... already subscribed edit: seriously considering this bike when I sell my car... (23km commute and living in a pretty car centric suburb)
Tarra's loughter behind the camera is so contagious. Loving to rewatch that episode on not just bikes video with cam drop on "special people" joke. Positive vibes + city explorations + bikes 🙏
Seems odd that you need to leave the key that locks the rear wheel and locks/unlocks the battery in place exposed. I'd be afraid of it falling out or someone snatching it when you stop to smell the roses.
Supposedly it is an insurance thing in the Netherlands. If your bike gets stolen and you can produce the key, you can prove to you insurance company that the bike was locked.
You indicate that the bike has a natural "bike feel" when riding without assist? With my Gazelle Ultimate 380 and Enviolo hub it's shocking the drag I'll immediately have if I lose power. Feels like I'm pulling a 40 pound trailer. Is there such a thing as a belt drive internal hub where you don't lose %8-10 efficiently?
These Bosch motors are sooo good. I drive daily here in the Bulgarian Pirin mountains and it just works so well. There is never a situation where I do a wheelie (even when going up very steep hills) - the motor sensors just get it. I drive nearly exclusively in then highest setting (300%). Thx Propel!
I describe the Bosch system the exact same way! Most hub motor systems with throttles feel like your riding a motor vehicle and you can help it with your pedaling. Riding the Bosch system is just like riding a bicycle but you feel really strong!
I have one of these and dropped $7,000 to get one a month ago. That’s just how much they are here in Canada. I’ve been riding eBikes for a long time, my first one being a lead acid battery cruiser from the early 2000s. The NBD is not as elegant a ride as my other current Cannondale eBike but it has its merits. I wanted to bring my small dog on rides and she rides comfortably in a basket on the rear rack. The low centre of gravity, smaller wheels and very low step over helps make the ride safer, easier. The high cost of the bike is justified by our smiles and fun. A bonus of having a suspension seat post means lady bits don’t get so sore, and longer rides are a pleasure. The Bosch performance line motor and large Intuvia controller takes the sweat out of riding. This is my fourth eBike in twenty years and is one of my favourites. The Tern accessories available expands the usefulness and look okay. I would suggest a rear basket or front rack.
The reviewer said the bike is for shorter people. How tall are you? I'm 5"11" so maybe the bike is not for me.
I got a gsd a while back...and yes price is something else but it's the best expensive purchase I have ever made
My R&M makes me feel like a kid who could bike all day not like my 64 year old legs without assistance. I rode 15 miles each way to work and it is fun again. My wife wants a Tern.
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This is pretty much exactly what I want in a bike! I live with family and would love to share some of my micro-mobility options!
I've tried many ebikes and have to say bosch system is by far the best, it's natural feeling and like having bionic legs. I have a R&M Charger with almost 13000 miles on it , not one problem with it and can't keep off it.
Totally agree!
I test rode the NBD this weekend. I loved the comfort - the Gates belt drive, smooth hydraulic discs brakes and Andros stem felt luxe. The only thing preventing me from immediately buying it was the lack of an active brake light and overall weight (5-10 lbs lighter would make me less worried about my mixed mode commute)
Cool to see the Dutch style "through-the-spokes" bike lock made it onto the Tern bikes.
Nice to have, but in areas of high bike thefts they do not suffice to protect your bike from being stolen. Best to use a heavy duty U lock like the Hiplok X1000 or XD1000 or the Litelok X1 or X3. For an expensive bike a heavy duty chain like the Hiplok mega chain with a top quality padlock gives you even more locking flexibility. None of these locks are cheap, but if you are riding an expensive bike I would say it is worth the cost.
Love to see new bikes with fenders and rack. All that adjust-ability looks really handy too.
Way to go for sure!
That is an absolutely beautiful bike. I just wish Tern makes this available in my country!
Oh man I loved everything about this bike except for the price. I'm looking into my first bike purchase, but I don't think I can justify dropping $4k. I'd be too worried about theft.
Totally get that
Depending on where you live, you might be able to register your bike with services like Project 529, which really help reduce the incidence of bike theft. That, and making sure to have a good lock (and cable for the front wheel!), locking it in high-traffic areas with other bikes, and not leaving it locked outdoors overnight, do a lot to reduce risk.
But yeah, I have my $4k bike insured separately against theft, I still worry too.
There's bike insurance. I have Velosurance. I also have a quality heavy chain lock. It was around $300-400. I've left my bike at he train station for hours and it was fine. I was once too tired to bring it to my building's basement and left it chained to a gate at a park near my building. It was fine. I can tell there's been a few attempts but no one has made a dent in the chain. I've locked to light poles, stop signs or other city signs- as long as the base is secure I'll lock. Cities definitely need to invest in secure bike lockers in residential areas. I happened to get lucky with my building having a basement. Wasn't a big concern when I moved in but now it's a decision in any new place I consider.
In addition to a Cafe lock and Bordo extreme folding lock, I also always quickly set a cheap $20 disc brake alarm clamp onto the front disc. It's a solid block of stainless steel with a built-in 110db alarm. All the 3 lock plan take me about 45 seconds the lock & unlock
its so pretty! i like the luggage options and the step through design.
Great review man! Love it ❤
Thanks Miles!
I’d say the Bosch system does just feel like you but stronger except for turbo at low speed where it can be a bit jerky. It’s just a bit too keen to give you the power if you just moving the bike around but once your riding it’s great.
This is the kind of bike that could get a lot of people out of their cars. We bike fans have to admit it: a lot of people are scared of bikes, especially the ones with high stepover height
Any news on when Tern will start offering these bikes with the smart system?
Since this is a pretty new model I don't see that changing soon. The new HSD Is a little bigger and uses the smart system
Nice bike, seems strange to me though that tern have hsd, gsd, quickhaul, now nbd. They are all pretty similar bikes, I wouldn't be surprised if they are just cannibalising their own sales from other models.
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Thanks!
@@Propelbikes Nice review of the bike too! I have an ebike with 8-speed Shimano hub gear and I use mostly 1, 3,5 and 7 and a little of 8th gear on my commute. A well spaced 5-speed hub would be fine!
Good information 👍
wow. amazing bike.
The e-bike for everyone with access to about $5k of disposable income. Yes.
Love the adaptability and build quality of the bike. I can see my wife loving it (and me encouraging her to get one), but definitely not for me!
Great review
I like those shoes you were wearing in this video. What brand in style are those?
Thanks, they’re Birkenstock Bends
Not sure how I feel about Tern still using the old Bosch system for a brand new bike. Otherwise a great bike, just like one does expect from Tern
Just such a beautiful family bike. Apparently well executed. It's 36 volts which some people might see as a negative.
I don’t see 36v as an issue, but I know some who are focused on bigger more powerful could feel that way. I think this is the right balance here
Wouldn’t buy another class 1 Bosch. Sometimes you need some extra momentum to get up hills or to stay up with traffic. Really wish they would consider the US market and our laws that allow class 3 bikes.
I get where you’re coming from but I do think there are many places where class 1 makes plenty of sense
@@Propelbikes there are, and I ride a class 1. I just wish I could go past 18.5 mph on occasion which is were it hits a wall. It would help a ton for my use.
Hey Chris. The Propel website has an Ergotec Double Flex 3 listed for sale. I think that's what came stock on my Gen 1 GSD S00. I just lost a bolt out of one of the legs and I'm struggling to replace it. None of the local bike shops had a replacement. I've got a bunch of stuff from Ace hardware to MacGyver my way to a temporary fix.
Anyway, I don't know that I need to upgrade to the Atlas. I'm on the fence and the need to have the Atlas installed professionally is discouraging. Could I buy another Ergotec and swap it out myself? I'm pretty handy, although a novice a bike wrenching.
Hey! I think this should be doable. Sometime you need specific sockets and attachments to get into the place to remove and replace the bolt, but it should be manageable. If you order just please put in the notes that it’s for a Gen 1 GSD and they can ensure the right fitment.
@@PropelbikesThanks! As always, you are an amazing resource.
Holy cow. $7,245 here in Australia. 😳😳
Nexus hubs all have high torque ratings well beyond 65nm tho?
That is not what I have been told from Shimano. The Nexus 8 speed is limited to 55Nm along with the Alfine 8 and 11 speed. I have experience with those hubs giving out when under too much torque. The reality is they were designed before eBikes were really a thing.
I like the forward placed pedals and motor this was just what i was looking for for when i bought my low step through ebike. Too rich for my blood though so i guess I'll keep what I got!😅
Definitely keep it in mind in case we get a windfall... I'm in the uk mind so dont know if i could get it over here or not....i do like the verticle storage option too.
How do you find a Tern dealer?
Check out our website: Propelbikes.com. We'd be happy to help!
audio at intro starts very loud, then speaker feels very far away in the audio next
Thanks for the heads up! Sorry for the problem
I would want a locksmith to look at the rear wheel key and lock
so that the key can be removed, locked or unlocked.
There is a different version of the lock available which has a removable key
I have this same Cafe Lock on my Gazelle. At first I had your same concerns so I kept a spare key always in my pocket, but now after 16 months and 1200 miles I've found this lock system to be the best super easy and carefree
Seems well placed to compete with the Reise + Muller Tinker 2. Good to see more e-bikes with a big range of adjustability coming to market. These are meant to be replacing a family car for some journeys, and no-one would accept dropping a huge chunk of cash on a car that only one person in the family can comfortably drive!
For sure!
I love how functional it is: sturdy rack, fits people of many sizes, can be stored easily.
Love my Tern 🥰
As a vertically challenged rider I appreciate this review of a bike more oriented to me.
At 4'8" I want to try one of these!
This common design that a lot of e-bikes have now where there's a little flip forward part at the top of what used to be called the stem, seems completely illogical to me. If someone wants their handlebars to be lower, it's usually because they are shorter. But to make the handlebars lower you have to push them farther forward, which is not good for shorter people. It means that shorter people have to lean farther forward to reach their handlebars.
Why don't they design them so that if you want the handlebars lower, you bring them down and closer to the rider?
Personally, the whole idea of making the only way to adjust handlebar height be swinging the handlebars forward and back, seems ludicrous to me, considering that we used to have a perfectly good mechanism for adjusting the height of handlebars. And they just threw that away in favor of something far more complicated and just waiting for an excuse to start slipping.
Given that the entire industry has decided to give up the old style goosenecks and threaded forks, I would much rather simply see new threadless forks with a much taller tube, that allows me to move my handlebars up and down as I see fit. I can then either cut off excess tube, or I can put some padding on the excess tube that sticks up facing me.
As it stands, if I buy any of these pre-made electric bicycles, then I will be forced to buy an entirely new set of forks just to get a taller tube, just so that I can have my handlebars where I actually freaking want them. That adds at least $100 to the price of any electric bicycle I would buy. Which means, that I'm far less likely to buy any of them. They need to start, at least giving people the option of how tall they want that fork tube to go when selling those bicycles.
I have the tern nbd s5i! Great bike for a short person like me.
I bike to work instead of driving now :)
I may give up on my dream of a belt drive IGH Vektron and just get the NBD, I feel like it'll be a good compromise despite the size difference.
I recall your many comments about the Vektron and a belt. It’s interesting to see you write this. Let us know if we can help
Great video, really informative. Would you tell me please which colour blue this bike is? I really like the shade. Many thanks.
The color blue that is darker, as pictured is the nbd p5i, the p8 is the the lighter blue. They are both the same models, different upgrades on the 5
liked, commented... already subscribed
edit: seriously considering this bike when I sell my car... (23km commute and living in a pretty car centric suburb)
Tarra's loughter behind the camera is so contagious. Loving to rewatch that episode on not just bikes video with cam drop on "special people" joke. Positive vibes + city explorations + bikes 🙏
just make sure everyone knows your a VETERAN
Seems odd that you need to leave the key that locks the rear wheel and locks/unlocks the battery in place exposed. I'd be afraid of it falling out or someone snatching it when you stop to smell the roses.
Supposedly it is an insurance thing in the Netherlands. If your bike gets stolen and you can produce the key, you can prove to you insurance company that the bike was locked.
hot contender for another tern bike
One good Tern deserves another
The women at 2:09 getting off the bike. She did it all wrong.
You indicate that the bike has a natural "bike feel" when riding without assist? With my Gazelle Ultimate 380 and Enviolo hub it's shocking the drag I'll immediately have if I lose power. Feels like I'm pulling a 40 pound trailer. Is there such a thing as a belt drive internal hub where you don't lose %8-10 efficiently?
But I LOVE my Gazelle
Thanks!
Thanks a bunch!