Super cool! Once reason I kind of stopped with eurorack is because how difficult it was to do “off the grid” rhythms compared to a DAW. This makes me really excited!
Quite simply an amazing sequencer. It would take me weeks to do multi-grooves using my MC-307 and DRMmk3. The thought of the cost of this with an upgrade to DRMmk4 blows my mind right now, if I could I would for sure :) I'm sure it would do wonders with the Disting EX SD6 Trigs, yea! :)
I'll be sure to approach different genres/styles in the main demo and also drive things other than drums. Syncing sequencers, driving modulation etc is good fun with it.
@@DivKid Ah, yes, I know that the sounds are not from Stolperbeats. I mean the "sound" of the groove in total (broken/shuffled beat and the sound from the Squid Salmple).
the module is really interesting to me. Some questions: Is there a way to share the shuffle tempo with other modules? I'm not talking about the streight foward tempo sync but the shuffle mode. For example to do this thing on the Beatstep pro the only way is share a drum line track with all steps filled up. I'm curious about the drum patters. Are there only pre built patters? How many? I would like to know how much can evolve them via cv modulation.
There's a sync output which is a steady straight clock and a subdivided output which shares the shuffle setting. So presuming you have other sequencers that will clock with 1 pulse per step you can then sync up everything else to this too. You can make and save patterns and cycle through them and also step edit easily. Push the encoder to add a beat then twist to move through the steps and push to add/remove a note of that step.
Really curious how this pairs for melodic sequencing. Any of the triggers here could be used in a random source quantized melody, that sounds really fun.
Tried almost every one. Then I got a Jomox Alpha Base. It does most everything I could ever need to do in drums in euro, sounds amazing, and costs about as much as filling 1/2-2/3 of a 104 hp skiff
@@NickHchaos Yeah I already have way too many drum machines as is, so I shouldn't go modular for drums. In fact I should sell a bunch of the gear I've got.
Anyone who's interested in how to get Dillaesque rhythms should read Dan Charnas' incredible book Dilla Time. In it he shows how Dilla didn't just play everything unquantised. He actually used a complex combination of multiple types of quantisation, both straight and swung, applied to the different drum parts
Edit: forgot to say that I think this is a cool module. I'm not sure if it should really have Dilla's name on the panel even if it Does replicate little bits of his technique but it's great for there to be things out there that easily add more complex forms of swing than the majority of sequencers that haven't progressed past the lm-2. Huge credit to Roger Linn for that initial design and the MPCs that enabled Dilla to build those techniques
Thank you for the book tip! Tried to look it up as we are super interested in any kind of compelling literature on this. Sadly seems to be out of stock, at least for EU. Will keep digging!
Each individual module needs something to house it and power it. There's lots of options for modular cases and if it's just something small for a module or two the 4ms POD series can power and house something like this.
Let me attempt to help us get up to speed with the current state of Stolperbeats. In the previous firmware, both envelopes/lfos would fire whenever you sent a trigger to the reset input. When I emailed MSM to report this as a bug they replied saying this was intentional to the design of the new firmware. This seemed not to align with the ability to choose the event to which each of the two CV outputs is aligned (as stated in the “Envelope and LFO OUT” section of the manual). When I asked why they changed this behavior they responded that they simply thought it was a good idea and implemented it while creating the latest update. I still can't figure out what the idea behind that design change was, or why they would alter such a fundamental behavior and not tell anyone. The behavior was reverted in the next firmware with no word of why they would flip-flop the design like this. This is an example of how it went with a single aspect in 1 of the nearly 10 firmware versions that have been released, each one creating new bugs. Not all updates would fix previous issues; sometimes compounding them. If anyone needs to decipher this statement as true/crazy just look at the changelogs yourself. You can find them on the firmware page. I will also quote the latest changelog below: Changelog 163 “Fix: Adjusts behavior of ENV 1 + 2 with and externally triggered reset. Env 1 + 2 used to reset (and fire) with the triggered reset. Instead they now retain the last value over a reset until triggered as set. Fix: Sync x1, x2, x4 fire on start of bar. Was offset by a quarter note. Introduced in 157, fixed in 161. Fix: Patterns were not playing back correctly in Flam (yellow) and Slop (white) Feeling. Introduced in 162, fixed in 163.” This list shows the bugs in SB aren't isolated to the reset input, and the necessary adjustments don't only support advanced users; these changes address diverse and fundamental issues that need to be resolved for casual users as well. If you look at the previous changelogs you will find the same situation, this has been a longstanding pattern. I have found multiple bugs in 163 myself, but I can confirm the current firmware does have at least 1 bug known to the manufacturer. When I emailed MSM about these issues I got this response: “There will be a firmware that fixes the resets.” This response was received on 6/27/24 While brief, the reply does confirm their knowledge of one of SB’s current issues which causes the sequencer to jump to random places at random times when receiving a reset input. I do hope MSM will address this issue in the next firmware, but they cannot seem to create an update that doesn't introduce a new bug, so be careful what you wish for. At this point, I don't feel I can trust MSM to deliver Stolperbeats as a stable product for any level of user.
you can hear that right in the final example. Little bursts start to emerge. Nice to think of this like King of Limbs stuff of bits of the Eraser album from Yorke, Tomorrows Modern Boxes etc.
I see your point but that's the whole drum machine with just those modules. Which is a decent sized case doesn't seem too big, certainly compared to individual drum modules and different sequencing and mixing options. Those two in a pod or something would be a tidy drum machine to have on its own too.
a 4ms POD would work well just check the size and dimensions for it, you'll need a powered case. You could also look into someone 3D printed a specific enclosure for you.
@@DivKid Thanks for the 4ms PODs recommendation, just had a quick look, they look great, seems like an easy & portable way to start out with modular, & build...
How is velocity of the drums handled on this module? Are the hi-hats all programmed at the same volume, or is the volume/velocity of the hi-hats varied? Also, can you program your own beats, or can you only select from pre-programmed patterns?
Hi Brian, you can step sequence all the parts if you like. Or used save patterns and work through them twisting the encoders. It doesn't handle any velocity sequencing. These are just trigger outputs meant for trigger/gate inputs on other modules. Velocity is an important part of a groove but with Eurorack you would need to have separate inputs that work with varying voltages for the velocity element of a patch. Trigger ins don't respond to varying voltage they simple make something happen (envelope on and off, drum sound fires etc). One way to approach it would be drive a separate sequencer with the rhythm. So taking the hi hat output to trigger your hi hat but also using it to progress through a voltage sequence. Then use that sequence voltage to influence the velocity of the hi hat. Either directly on the hi hat module if it has an input for it or (most likely) patching the hi hat into a VCA and adjusting the level in a VCA. As it's modular "everything is possible" but by going with a modular mindset and approach and building up series of functions with more modules. (at the expense and space/case cost too of course). None of that is exclusive to this sequencer I should add, that's just how trigger sequencers and trigger inputs work within the format.
@@DivKid Thanks, Div. I’ll have to see what options exist to achieve this. As you noted, cost and rack space are an issue, so I’ll need to find the most simple solution. Is this a topic you will cover with your more in-depth demo?
I think there's going to be so much to talk about that I don't think I'll end up going beyond the module and into external patch techniques. Probably something for a different video entirely.
Looks kinda cool... I'm a little concerned about the use of Dilla's name. Do you know if they clear that with his family? I completely understand the connection/inspiration, but still. If they cleared it with his family, then I'd have no qualms. I'd just like to know.
This is such a damn fine module. I just bought an Erica DS/Black combo though 😐 If the Erica had a function to set "length of loop", that would be insane... But to do what this does with the Erica currently would be a time consuming nightmare tbh. God damn EUROCRACK 😂😭 Anybody wanna buy a Drum Seq? lol
well spotted, I only ever do the opposing diagonal corners so I wasn't so fussed. At least it's not a hole that's left empty (if that's part of the OCD).
Dammit, I just got to the Joranalogue Compare 2 (being delivered today, filling the last 8hp of my 2nd case) and now you say "Oooh, here's another fun way to mess up your drums." Stop it.
The current issue with SB is that the envelopes fire at time whnpen they are not programmed when externally clocking and resetting the module. This come on the back of an issue where it would not reset at all if the reset pulse came at the same time as a clock tick. At the same time? As this last bug there was an issue with the envelopes firing at the beginning of each bar when the module was externally clocked. These bugs would be super obvious to anyone who actually flexes the module. I'm a little disappointed someone who gets sponsored for reviewing modules didn't notice. Please pay closer attention when making reviews in the future. Each time MSM trying to fix the module they end up creating a new bug. I have lost all hope that Stolperbeats will ever work as intended or described. It feels more like a hobby kit than a commercial product, and the community has been super hostile towards my efforts to help fix these many issues. I advise anyone thinking of purchasing a module from MSM to move on and find a better company to support.
I don't externally clock it, so I haven't seen these issues. When I use it, it's the clock. "please pay closer attention when making reviews in the future" ... wow ok that feels rude. As does the "anyone that flexes it" comment. I haven't made a review of it, at all. I made a quick introductory preview video. I also don't make reviews, it's not an opinion piece. RE the community getting hostile, you're coming off as rude, which I really don't think is your intention at all, I think you mean well for me here and for the module and what things to be good for everyone. But you're probably getting peoples backs up with your approach which will then shut down valid and good things you have to offer. I realise that may come off as rude from me, which isn't my intention at all. If I took some sort of offence or dislike I wouldn't reply, it's just a polite response to how this is coming off.
@@DivKid Not trying to be rude, but I feel these bugs were super easy to find. And yes, anyone who actually flexes the device would find them pretty quick. It took me less than a day after each firmware update to find the new bug. And like I said, SB has never worked properly or as described. So it is tough to see that not a single video covering this module mentions any of the issues Stopler has. Another synthfluencer pushed back on my comments telling me firmware 160 was stable when it is not. And then threw more false information at me to try and prove me wrong. However, I am in current communication with MSM and helped initiate the past 4 firmware updates. This is difficult to deal with and to me quite rude. I want to trust your community, but it's been getting more and more difficult when these bugs are not discovered or not disclosed. As painful as it might be to hear, this lack of ability to find obvious issues with Stoplerbeats needs to be addressed. Maybe you could do the community a favor and look into the current issues and make a video to help inform MSM. This would be a great help!
The bugs might be easy to find if that's the feature you're using. If people aren't using that feature, and are otherwise very happily using it then it simply won't come up. Synthfluencer, haha, funny term that one. Anyway I can't speak for anyone else or the results they're getting. I haven't tried the issue you've mentioned, or any of the firmware updates. So I can't pushback or comment on it at all. It's worth remembering that Euro companies are often one or two people that are working hard, often for the love of it, it's not an industry people get into for the money. It's nice to hear MSM are taking on board the feedback and working on firmware updates. I hope that continues and gets to any bug squashes. RE trust my community, what community? Me or Eurorack in general? I can't speak for other companies or users. Had I made a comprehensive demo then yeah I'd stress test and try to bug find and look at all the features properly. I haven't done that for Stolperbeats nor have I claimed to. Unfortunately I don't have time to go hunting for bugs or to make videos trying to get into it. I know that MSM wouldn't give me special treatment over their users though so if you're speaking to them they'll be on the case best they can be. The best approach is always going to be politely and with a friendly tone to engage with people, but as I say this is coming across rude (I know you don't mean it to be) and you've been that way with other things on my channel and I imagine elsewhere. Often with the tone of just telling people to outright avoid companies altogether. If that's what you're telling people to do, you have to understand that's not going to lead to people working hard to fix any potential issues, or to take feedback on board. When that's the takeaway message to what you're saying it's not helpful to anyone.
the module? the result? the video? the actual idea in terms of shifting time around in a beat? Happy to take the criticism but there's nowhere to go from that comment.
@@DivKid I’m sorry, you’re right. A musician using pre fabricated wonky J Dilla type drum patterns in his music would be pretty embarrassing. Coming up with the idea and manufacturing the module is cool, as is your presentation, as always.
Woah this is such a cool idea. Wanna hear this on some hard abstract hip hop drums
Feel free to send some sounds over or feedback for the main demo video that's to follow next month.
Bonus points if it's a ready made / file altered bank for the Squid ;)
@@DivKid love the Squid
Always sweet to see Dilla mentioned. Great demo! Looking forward to more of your amazing work on this fun sequencer.
Yeah makes me happy for the reference alone but the very musical and clever application of those ideas here is even better.
oh this is gonna be absolutely killer for melodic patterns as well
Super cool! Once reason I kind of stopped with eurorack is because how difficult it was to do “off the grid” rhythms compared to a DAW. This makes me really excited!
love the slip and slide of this beast
"slip and slide" great way to put it!
Finally, been waiting for something like this for years!
It's got a Dilla button.... I'm sold
This thing is going to power some sweet modbap! Nice grooves at the end too
cheers mate! I haven't had chance yet but I'm looking forward to driving things other than drum modules from it to see where it leads.
This looks awesome. I might have to pick this up for my eventual drum case I'm planning on assembling. :D
That looks and sounds like great fun
This looks amazing!
Quite simply an amazing sequencer. It would take me weeks to do multi-grooves using my MC-307 and DRMmk3. The thought of the cost of this with an upgrade to DRMmk4 blows my mind right now, if I could I would for sure :) I'm sure it would do wonders with the Disting EX SD6 Trigs, yea! :)
This is awesome
I don't get the pattern visualisation at all, but what this module does is so enticing it's a no brainer for me. Thanks for the demo, Ben!
Groovy
.... baby
can't wait for the follow up tutorial DivKid style!!!
Would love to hear this drive other things than drums as well, some exploration of possibilities. Also more of that sick techno-groove!
I'll be sure to approach different genres/styles in the main demo and also drive things other than drums. Syncing sequencers, driving modulation etc is good fun with it.
Can you also show MIDI and velocity options for those of us outside the norms? :P
I have to play around with this at Superbooth. But it looks very cool and the drums out of it are really cool too.
the drum sounds are from the ALM Squid Salmple, apologies if that wasn't clear. This is just (just feels like a massive injustice) the sequencer.
@@DivKid Ah, yes, I know that the sounds are not from Stolperbeats. I mean the "sound" of the groove in total (broken/shuffled beat and the sound from the Squid Salmple).
This is this awesome. One question: is it possible to vary the percentage of the shuffle/swing to be more or less shuffled in each shuffle mode?
the module is really interesting to me. Some questions:
Is there a way to share the shuffle tempo with other modules? I'm not talking about the streight foward tempo sync but the shuffle mode. For example to do this thing on the Beatstep pro the only way is share a drum line track with all steps filled up.
I'm curious about the drum patters. Are there only pre built patters? How many? I would like to know how much can evolve them via cv modulation.
There's a sync output which is a steady straight clock and a subdivided output which shares the shuffle setting. So presuming you have other sequencers that will clock with 1 pulse per step you can then sync up everything else to this too.
You can make and save patterns and cycle through them and also step edit easily. Push the encoder to add a beat then twist to move through the steps and push to add/remove a note of that step.
@@DivKid Great! Thanks! It seems really straight forward. I already feel it will be part of my next setup.
Really curious how this pairs for melodic sequencing. Any of the triggers here could be used in a random source quantized melody, that sounds really fun.
I keep telling myself I need to stay out of modular drums but lately ive been seeing so many cool modules... lord help me
Tried almost every one. Then I got a Jomox Alpha Base. It does most everything I could ever need to do in drums in euro, sounds amazing, and costs about as much as filling 1/2-2/3 of a 104 hp skiff
@@NickHchaos Yeah I already have way too many drum machines as is, so I shouldn't go modular for drums. In fact I should sell a bunch of the gear I've got.
Anyone who's interested in how to get Dillaesque rhythms should read Dan Charnas' incredible book Dilla Time. In it he shows how Dilla didn't just play everything unquantised. He actually used a complex combination of multiple types of quantisation, both straight and swung, applied to the different drum parts
Edit: forgot to say that I think this is a cool module. I'm not sure if it should really have Dilla's name on the panel even if it Does replicate little bits of his technique but it's great for there to be things out there that easily add more complex forms of swing than the majority of sequencers that haven't progressed past the lm-2. Huge credit to Roger Linn for that initial design and the MPCs that enabled Dilla to build those techniques
Thank you for the book tip! Tried to look it up as we are super interested in any kind of compelling literature on this. Sadly seems to be out of stock, at least for EU. Will keep digging!
@@MakingSoundMachines it's available in ebook form too so while not as satisfying at least you can read it
I’ve never used modular setups before. Is there a rack that hold this a single unit? This module is the only thing I need.
Each individual module needs something to house it and power it. There's lots of options for modular cases and if it's just something small for a module or two the 4ms POD series can power and house something like this.
Let me attempt to help us get up to speed with the current state of Stolperbeats.
In the previous firmware, both envelopes/lfos would fire whenever you sent a trigger to the reset input. When I emailed MSM to report this as a bug they replied saying this was intentional to the design of the new firmware. This seemed not to align with the ability to choose the event to which each of the two CV outputs is aligned (as stated in the “Envelope and LFO OUT” section of the manual). When I asked why they changed this behavior they responded that they simply thought it was a good idea and implemented it while creating the latest update. I still can't figure out what the idea behind that design change was, or why they would alter such a fundamental behavior and not tell anyone. The behavior was reverted in the next firmware with no word of why they would flip-flop the design like this.
This is an example of how it went with a single aspect in 1 of the nearly 10 firmware versions that have been released, each one creating new bugs. Not all updates would fix previous issues; sometimes compounding them. If anyone needs to decipher this statement as true/crazy just look at the changelogs yourself. You can find them on the firmware page. I will also quote the latest changelog below:
Changelog 163
“Fix: Adjusts behavior of ENV 1 + 2 with and externally triggered reset. Env 1 + 2 used to reset (and fire) with the triggered reset. Instead they now retain the last value over a reset until triggered as set.
Fix: Sync x1, x2, x4 fire on start of bar. Was offset by a quarter note. Introduced in 157, fixed in 161.
Fix: Patterns were not playing back correctly in Flam (yellow) and Slop (white) Feeling. Introduced in 162, fixed in 163.”
This list shows the bugs in SB aren't isolated to the reset input, and the necessary adjustments don't only support advanced users; these changes address diverse and fundamental issues that need to be resolved for casual users as well. If you look at the previous changelogs you will find the same situation, this has been a longstanding pattern.
I have found multiple bugs in 163 myself, but I can confirm the current firmware does have at least 1 bug known to the manufacturer. When I emailed MSM about these issues I got this response:
“There will be a firmware that fixes the resets.”
This response was received on 6/27/24
While brief, the reply does confirm their knowledge of one of SB’s current issues which causes the sequencer to jump to random places at random times when receiving a reset input. I do hope MSM will address this issue in the next firmware, but they cannot seem to create an update that doesn't introduce a new bug, so be careful what you wish for.
At this point, I don't feel I can trust MSM to deliver Stolperbeats as a stable product for any level of user.
Oh man, I've just finished my case named "FINAL VERSION 17b mark II"
What happened to this it never showed at superbooth?
it was at Superbooth.
I need to clear space in my rack for this. Do you know how many hp?
26HP with a 3HP expander if you want to toggle on and off the mutes and linear behaviours with external signals too. (don't have to use it)
@@DivKid Haha perfect, that’s the space I have!
Looks like fun! What is odd is that I am so bad at sequencing drums that my beats always end up like this by pure accident without Stolperbeats.
I'd say that's a gift! Don't quantize if it's funky!
Some instant Radiohead beat shuffle action, this is a must! Is there ratcheting built in?
you can hear that right in the final example. Little bursts start to emerge. Nice to think of this like King of Limbs stuff of bits of the Eraser album from Yorke, Tomorrows Modern Boxes etc.
Looks very cool.. I only wish it wasn’t so huge. Together with something like Squid Salmple takes a lot of hp.
I see your point but that's the whole drum machine with just those modules. Which is a decent sized case doesn't seem too big, certainly compared to individual drum modules and different sequencing and mixing options. Those two in a pod or something would be a tidy drum machine to have on its own too.
Finally, a drummer in a box ? :)
What kind of housing can be fitted to the Stolperbeats if placed on my desktop? I do not use Eurorack but connect to a DAW over MIDI
a 4ms POD would work well just check the size and dimensions for it, you'll need a powered case. You could also look into someone 3D printed a specific enclosure for you.
@@DivKid Thanks for the 4ms PODs recommendation, just had a quick look, they look great, seems like an easy & portable way to start out with modular, & build...
How is velocity of the drums handled on this module? Are the hi-hats all programmed at the same volume, or is the volume/velocity of the hi-hats varied?
Also, can you program your own beats, or can you only select from pre-programmed patterns?
Hi Brian, you can step sequence all the parts if you like. Or used save patterns and work through them twisting the encoders. It doesn't handle any velocity sequencing. These are just trigger outputs meant for trigger/gate inputs on other modules.
Velocity is an important part of a groove but with Eurorack you would need to have separate inputs that work with varying voltages for the velocity element of a patch. Trigger ins don't respond to varying voltage they simple make something happen (envelope on and off, drum sound fires etc).
One way to approach it would be drive a separate sequencer with the rhythm. So taking the hi hat output to trigger your hi hat but also using it to progress through a voltage sequence. Then use that sequence voltage to influence the velocity of the hi hat. Either directly on the hi hat module if it has an input for it or (most likely) patching the hi hat into a VCA and adjusting the level in a VCA.
As it's modular "everything is possible" but by going with a modular mindset and approach and building up series of functions with more modules. (at the expense and space/case cost too of course).
None of that is exclusive to this sequencer I should add, that's just how trigger sequencers and trigger inputs work within the format.
@@DivKid Thanks, Div. I’ll have to see what options exist to achieve this. As you noted, cost and rack space are an issue, so I’ll need to find the most simple solution. Is this a topic you will cover with your more in-depth demo?
I think there's going to be so much to talk about that I don't think I'll end up going beyond the module and into external patch techniques. Probably something for a different video entirely.
Can you turn down that led light intensity. Its a great idea but those leds are really distracting
❤️
Welp! I’m sold!
when you guys gonna talk about this on the beat ppls podcast?
Note tracking is in general an under-utilized modulation source in designing patches, with the exception of filter cutoff tracking.
yeah 1v/oct to decay times (invert or normal) is one I really like. Also 1v/oct to FX send levels, so higher notes are "wetter" than lower ones.
SICK
As a linear drumming loving, modbap producing drummer dj i need this reaaaal bad.
Looks kinda cool... I'm a little concerned about the use of Dilla's name. Do you know if they clear that with his family? I completely understand the connection/inspiration, but still. If they cleared it with his family, then I'd have no qualms. I'd just like to know.
I had the same concern. From my research, Dilla's name was only used on the prototypes not on the final product.
This is such a damn fine module. I just bought an Erica DS/Black combo though 😐
If the Erica had a function to set "length of loop", that would be insane... But to do what this does with the Erica currently would be a time consuming nightmare tbh.
God damn EUROCRACK 😂😭 Anybody wanna buy a Drum Seq? lol
The inability to screw the top left of the module (without expander) into the rack is going to mess with my OCD.
well spotted, I only ever do the opposing diagonal corners so I wasn't so fussed. At least it's not a hole that's left empty (if that's part of the OCD).
Dammit, I just got to the Joranalogue Compare 2 (being delivered today, filling the last 8hp of my 2nd case) and now you say "Oooh, here's another fun way to mess up your drums." Stop it.
So you could actually make your stuff sound like a dumpster falling down 5 flights of stairs? (GTA reference)
haha absolutely!
why is this not a temps_utile program? seems overkill with the leds. probably gonna cost an arm and a leg too
Sign me up!
need
In the beginning this looked like a andrew huang video
in what sense? the cuts to different views on the module after the little jam?
2 years after the release and this module is still full of bugs. I warn anyone thinking of purchasing this module against it.
what bugs? I haven't kept up with the development but I still use and enjoy it on whatever firmware I'm on.
The current issue with SB is that the envelopes fire at time whnpen they are not programmed when externally clocking and resetting the module. This come on the back of an issue where it would not reset at all if the reset pulse came at the same time as a clock tick. At the same time? As this last bug there was an issue with the envelopes firing at the beginning of each bar when the module was externally clocked. These bugs would be super obvious to anyone who actually flexes the module. I'm a little disappointed someone who gets sponsored for reviewing modules didn't notice. Please pay closer attention when making reviews in the future.
Each time MSM trying to fix the module they end up creating a new bug. I have lost all hope that Stolperbeats will ever work as intended or described. It feels more like a hobby kit than a commercial product, and the community has been super hostile towards my efforts to help fix these many issues. I advise anyone thinking of purchasing a module from MSM to move on and find a better company to support.
I don't externally clock it, so I haven't seen these issues. When I use it, it's the clock.
"please pay closer attention when making reviews in the future" ... wow ok that feels rude. As does the "anyone that flexes it" comment. I haven't made a review of it, at all. I made a quick introductory preview video. I also don't make reviews, it's not an opinion piece.
RE the community getting hostile, you're coming off as rude, which I really don't think is your intention at all, I think you mean well for me here and for the module and what things to be good for everyone. But you're probably getting peoples backs up with your approach which will then shut down valid and good things you have to offer.
I realise that may come off as rude from me, which isn't my intention at all. If I took some sort of offence or dislike I wouldn't reply, it's just a polite response to how this is coming off.
@@DivKid Not trying to be rude, but I feel these bugs were super easy to find. And yes, anyone who actually flexes the device would find them pretty quick. It took me less than a day after each firmware update to find the new bug. And like I said, SB has never worked properly or as described. So it is tough to see that not a single video covering this module mentions any of the issues Stopler has.
Another synthfluencer pushed back on my comments telling me firmware 160 was stable when it is not. And then threw more false information at me to try and prove me wrong. However, I am in current communication with MSM and helped initiate the past 4 firmware updates. This is difficult to deal with and to me quite rude.
I want to trust your community, but it's been getting more and more difficult when these bugs are not discovered or not disclosed.
As painful as it might be to hear, this lack of ability to find obvious issues with Stoplerbeats needs to be addressed. Maybe you could do the community a favor and look into the current issues and make a video to help inform MSM. This would be a great help!
The bugs might be easy to find if that's the feature you're using. If people aren't using that feature, and are otherwise very happily using it then it simply won't come up.
Synthfluencer, haha, funny term that one. Anyway I can't speak for anyone else or the results they're getting. I haven't tried the issue you've mentioned, or any of the firmware updates. So I can't pushback or comment on it at all.
It's worth remembering that Euro companies are often one or two people that are working hard, often for the love of it, it's not an industry people get into for the money. It's nice to hear MSM are taking on board the feedback and working on firmware updates. I hope that continues and gets to any bug squashes.
RE trust my community, what community? Me or Eurorack in general? I can't speak for other companies or users. Had I made a comprehensive demo then yeah I'd stress test and try to bug find and look at all the features properly. I haven't done that for Stolperbeats nor have I claimed to.
Unfortunately I don't have time to go hunting for bugs or to make videos trying to get into it. I know that MSM wouldn't give me special treatment over their users though so if you're speaking to them they'll be on the case best they can be.
The best approach is always going to be politely and with a friendly tone to engage with people, but as I say this is coming across rude (I know you don't mean it to be) and you've been that way with other things on my channel and I imagine elsewhere. Often with the tone of just telling people to outright avoid companies altogether. If that's what you're telling people to do, you have to understand that's not going to lead to people working hard to fix any potential issues, or to take feedback on board. When that's the takeaway message to what you're saying it's not helpful to anyone.
Pretty lame in my opinion.
the module? the result? the video? the actual idea in terms of shifting time around in a beat?
Happy to take the criticism but there's nowhere to go from that comment.
@@DivKid I’m sorry, you’re right.
A musician using pre fabricated wonky J Dilla type drum patterns in his music would be pretty embarrassing.
Coming up with the idea and manufacturing the module is cool, as is your presentation, as always.
I definitely want to get Stolperbeats😁🎚🎛🎚🎛