The Dumbest War Nobody Talks About
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Thank you, Kata, Duek, Jesus Christ, and Elihu for the suggestion!
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The Lobster War is a classic tale of how a dispute can escalate beyond reason, particularly when the pride of nationalism is put to the test. Originating from a dispute over Spiny Lobster fishing rights, this disagreement highlighted the lack of adequate international agreements on the territorial waters and fishing rights of a nation as the events took place two decades before the signing of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. In the 1960's, French fishing vessels traveled to the Brazilian coast to harvest lobster, igniting an international debate on the legality of this which hinged on the answer to a single question: can a lobster be considered a fish? Brazil argued that because lobster crawl along the ocean floor, they are considered an economic resource apart of their continental shelf. The French, for their part, argued that lobsters "swim" as they hop along the ocean floor, making them essentially a fish that can be caught by any country's vessel. The eventual peaceful resolution of this conflict led to the extension of Brazil's territorial waters to a 200-nautical-mile zone, setting the basis for exclusive economic zones of the same length that would come in the following decades. - Комедії
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Imagine having a subreddit instead of a discord. I didn't know you were such a loser, BlueJay! 😂
I'm yet to watch this video, is this about Jordan Peterson in any way (probably not)?
@@user-yy5di3qg5u wow that's random
@@user-yy5di3qg5u Нет. Ты чё, дурак?
@@user-yy5di3qg5u what a strange question
The "lobster is a fish" has some serious "humans are featherless bipeds" energy
*slaps down a plucked chicken* BEHOLD, A MAN!
@@SupersuMCFeatherless bipeds with broad flat nails.
@@SupersuMCdid you slap it hard enough to cook it?
Hey remember that time the Catholic Church said beavers were fish? Good times.
@@Em-ih5du Well you have to give the people in the Americas something to eat during Lent.
Blue Jay: "I'm gonna talk about the dumbest war in history."
*Australia holds its breath*
Blue Jay: "The Lobster War"
*Australia sighs in relief*
I think he already did one on the Emu war, or that was sam O'nella
Sam O'nella and OverSimplified
I was thinking he'd cover the cod wars
@@tjones1406
Hopefully that is the next war. Or the Whisky War.
@Pikkabuu Can you tell me more about this Whiskey War. Sounds like biggest bar fight in history.
As a Lobster myself I think its great that you are bringing light to the massacres of my people by the French and Brazilians.
I’m so sorry you had too go through that
Naw, he's just buttering you up.
This MF really is a lobster O.o
Forty-second thumb
Hang in there, your not alone in the struggle!!!🙏🦂💪❣️
The bit with De Gaulle telling his aid that he gets bitches is my new favorite thing.
Hahaha it’s definitely one of my favorite skits too, thank you so much for the support!! :)
The best part is that it's in character for De Gaulle.
I was so ready for the Brazilian's file on France to just read "French" and for that to be enough of a reason to investigate.
that would have been hilarious too haha
Or ''Brazil'' in all caps at the end of people the Frensh slighted.
Average Virgins Cringe Brainless Fatherless Anti France Trolls Fanboys taking Copium over here ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬆️
I would’ve put just a JPG of a frog
@@luisf2793*_Bruh._* 😂
Here in Brazil we use this as an example of Brazil's strength in solving issues diplomatically.
Its the only thing Brazil managed to solve diplomatically
Acre?
@@RedCharLangtrüë
@@RedCharLang Thats not fair, Brazilian government has been able to commit war crime levels of brutality on its own people to achieve government goals, and the "people" have been able to achieve a staggering level of Brutality to achieve "their" goals too!
@@RedCharLang Well if you don't know history then you shouldnt be talking bullshit but ok
As someone studying to be a carcinologist (crustacean biologist), hearing that the French argued lobsters were fish is insane and hilarious lmfao
But why is it called "lobster fishing" if they aren't fish?
Well California did make the Bee a fish.... so...
@@borobdinI thought it was called lobster trapping
@@tonybrewer7536 Wikipedia has it as lobster fishing with pots/traps as one method. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobster_fishing When I lived in New England, I always heard people who catch lobsters referred to as lobstermen or lobster fishers. But some places might refer to them as lobster trappers. In any case, it was more of a joke question and certainly a biologist would make a distinction even if many types of seafood might be referred to as fish colloquially.
Well, in the EU trade regulations snails are treated as fish. Everything can be fish if it let’s you make money 😎
Takes a hit from the blunt...
"As from the perspective of a crab, fishes are basicly flying"
Considering America and British Canada nearly killed each other over a single pig, I'm not too surprised. Imagine if this war had been over snails though. Those seas would ran red.
Very true.
It would've been the bloodiest war in history.
Canada and America almost went to war over the pig because the guy Winfield Scott put in charge made war possible. Winfield Scott and the royal navy manage to get it sorted out and put a joint military force there till the Germans give the islands to America
canada didn't even existed in that time, it was the uk
He wasn’t just a pig, he was my best friend
Ahh, the 1960s, imagine being alive to witness both the Lobster wars and the Cod wars at the same time!
_"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times; it was the age of Cod, it was the time of Lobster..."_
Those were the days.
You also got to witness JFK's brain.
@@jpaulc441well, we can at least take solace in the fact that JFK didn’t have much brains to begin with.
It's true, He was guided by his second brain.
"I'm rich,I get bitches,not mixed feelings" 😂
“Which runs through the town of Condom”
May I present to you
Ballstown, VA
No matter how long you take to post, you always put a smile on our faces! Thanks for the video.
Much love from Brazil.
Último lugar que esperava te encontrar
Ludo!
A PESSOA AMÁVEL DA INTERNET POR AQUI?????
If we're talking about post turnover rate, he's got Sam O'Nella beat by like, a factor of five lol.
É bem a cara do ludo ver esse tipo de vídeo bobo sobre história
As a half brazilian and half french person, I see this war as a win-win situation.
And technically a lose-lose situation
As a fully French person I see this as an opportunity to brag about how I’m French and therefore cultured
Go overthrow your parliament frenchie @@malegria9641
@@pricklyrick7253why not both.
You seem to be "I'm on both side so i always end up on top" kinda fella.
Honestly, I can see why people hate the French cause they were just genuine assholes. After they lost Algeria, the French gave the rest of her African colonies independence on the condition that they use a currency that France made in such a way that it would be undervalued when they trade with France, but overvalued with anyone else, meaning France would still have them as colonies in all but name.
Another thing is that the only state to refuse, Guinea-Bissau(?), would still get their independence, but on the way out, the French would wreck everything and anything they believed was a European Contribution to the Africans, from factories and Machinery, to things as little as fucking light bulbs.
How dare you insinuate the golden goddess Cait Blanchett has crabs
The fact that Bluejays granddaughter is clearly Jolyne implies Bluejay is Old Joseph, and that seems about right.
Wouldn't it actualy imply he's Jotaro's father?
@@pitagorasnachos You're right, I keep forgetting Araki likes to skip a generation. Just pretend I said "great-granddaughter" instead.
Who is Jolyne 🥲 I’m out of touch
@@eggnogalcoholicfrom jojo
@@ygnumohhh gotcha
12:39
"Paul, I'm rich and the president of France, I don't get 'mixed signals', I get bitches!" is such a fucking raw line god damn
Historically accurate (but not really lol have you seen de Gaulle?)
I heard the LOUDEST Vine boom in my head after that line 😭
Funny how the French always get the signals mixed up when dealing with Germany.
@@toolbaggers I mean not really de Gaulle, he knew what was up with Germany from the start but nobody listened to him.
unfunny
“I don’t get mixed signals I get BTCS so don’t talk to me about your POOR PPL PROBLEMS” I’m a new subscriber and If this is your basic content I will be here forever 💀💀💀 you’re fuckin hilarious and educational. My 2 favorite things
*The following are the musings of a Salty SEAGULL named EARL who just shows up in my posts whenever he feels like it!*
[EARL the Salty SEAGULL:] 9:39 - "Finally someone who recognizes SEAGULLs as OIL RIGs!"
''Paul I'm rich and the President of France, I don't get mixed signals I get Bitches''
De Gaulle be spitting bars
Second best line after "lobter"
“Lopter”
"So don't speek to me about your poor peoples problems"
I rise from the grave once again for the bird has uploaded
I love my liche fans
@@BlueJayYTwoaaaaaaah!
I got resument to
glad you're alive
Same
"I'm rich and the president of France I don't get mixed signals I get bitches😎"
"Lobter" - Charles De Gaulle
Lobzillia will forever be engrained in my mind. I hope you’re happy, strange bird man
Well, I mean Toho did have a Lobster Monster, so it's not that crazy
I do wonder if these French guys were trying to claim for Real that there were mutant lobsters
Tbh i can't tell how much of that is artistic liberty, or if I want to research it and Live without the possibility of it
They prefer the term "Bird Person". Or so Rick & Morty have led me to believe...
Lobter
The fact that this comment had 420 likes (before I got to it) makes a little too much sense.
Fun Fact:
Before the 1920's lobster was considered so low class that it was seen as only fit for prisoners.
There's actually court records of class action lawsuits brought by prisoners in massachusetts and maine against the respective departments of correction in those states in which the main complaint was that the prisoners were sick of being served lobster all the time.
Yeah but that was mainly to do with the fact that they were served with pieces of shell smashed into it. Because they didnt care enough to put in the work to extract the meat properly
Yeah, I lived with a bunch of guys from Maine in college, and they'd joke about lobster in that regard occasionally.
Not because they weren’t fresh and kinda spoiled?
Wow, you should write for South Park.
There's only one real lobster war...
"I like my near-military conflicts like I like my women. Full of crabs."
This quote greatly disturbs me in ways I can't quite articulate.
When I was in the marines my buddy got drunk, went up to a HOT female and said "excuse me, I would like some seafood. Do you have crabs"
He really just popped out of the void and started making banger content
So still ripping off Sam O Nella I see :V
@@SavageGreywolf what do you mean by this?
@@SavageGreywolfthis is such a braindead opinion
@@SavageGreywolfSam O'Nella and Blue Jay have similar content, sure, but not the same style or delivery
@@SavageGreywolf Sam O'Nella has been gone for years, we needed someone to fill the void.
“now with the pangolin being a geode…”
“yes???’ 😍”
Bluejay DON'T MISS!
Look at Jolyne learning the histories and stuff
Alternative father figure.
Looked for this
@@nimrodassayag7910me too lmao
I love learning more about my country's ability to take advantage of other countries on a cartoon trivia channel 👍
hell yeah, dude
I would argue the Brits have always been better than than the French at calculating which is more profitable in the end, sending fleets and armies to extract small amounts of near worthless resources by comparison or not..
I want to see your review of the War of the Pig and the Great Emu War
I still consider The War of the Bucket, The Pastry War, and The War of Jenkin's Ear to be the silliest wars of all time.
It's difficult to express how enjoyable these are.
Real events delivered with excellent humour and presentation
Agreed. Really covers the whole spectrum of "entertaining"
not a original concept. hundreds of channels did it before him. and his humor is a little dry.
As a French student in 2nd year of Political Sciences, we surprisingly never heard anything about this conflict... 🤔. This video made me laugh so much, I knew my country made terrible decisions, but this conflict was one the stupidest things that happened in History for sure.
Change your degree now, theres still time.
-an under employed poli sci grad
Look for the war of the cakes with Mexico, France started a war over a destroyed bakery in Mexico owned by a french man (in the context of riots shortly after the independence) , send a disproportionate price to repay the damaged goods (cake) and escalated the situation
Makes sense, I mean when your country commits the equivalent of attempted armed robbery and still runs away with its tail between its legs, it probably doesn’t go around talking about it a lot.
@@adrianishtar0 I think you have no idea how much in France we talk about terrible decisions our country made, or ankward situations in our History. For instance, the "Sniffing planes affair", or the death of Felix Faure, a former French president died by having sex in his Elysee office. I just think out country sucks so much we don't have time to study everything.
@@zacbref5022 Don't worry, you look at pretty much any country out there and you'll come away with some embarrassing history.
I'm surprised that you didn't do the emu war, but as an aussie slightly relieved.
When I was young, I would love seeing the first robins show up in the spring because it meant the end of of a long winter. All these years later, and I’ve found a new bird whose return from a long absence excites me even more. Thanks for making these videos, man.
15:20 actually laughed out loud!
Haha I'm glad you liked it! I almost cut that skit, glad I didn't!
I also laughed out loud...which was a bit embarrassing since I was at work and supposed to be doing something serious.
"you sure are big huh?"
I've been playing that skit on loop. 😂
Such beautiful Doppler effect
@@BlueJayYT i am so glad gou didn't! I needed that laugh and out of context fits more situations than it rightfully should
i had suggested it on your discord. the idea of operation cabralzinho (brazil's invasion plan to french guiana) was always one of my favorite alt history shenanigans
What is your username on discord? I thanked someone else in the description but if you suggested it I'd love to credit you as well!
@@BlueJayYT it's duek. i even went into the laughing at bluejay chat there to talk about the letter
Ah yes, Duek! Ok, added you to the description
@@BlueJayYTwait... are you doing a video on Brazil's plan to invade French Guiana ?
it is a little known fact, even to Brazilians, but i am unsure if there is a lot to be said about this
There's also the "Operação surumu" in which Brazil was preparing to defend against a American and British invasion in the amazon, to hide it from the public, Brazil said it was a Combat simulation against a fictional country called Cratênia
From what i remember
"I don't get mixed signals, I get bitches."
you forgot about the Pig war
Blue jay talking dumb history? Count me in!
13:32 Once again, deGaulle's arrogance shines through. A true parisian (not by birth but by actions).
But his arrogance concerning britian joining the EU eas prophetic😅
The man basically held a life long deep grudge against the US and UK, because they helped save his nation from Nazi occupation
@@chheinrich8486 he wasnt much different to the UK really. France joined the EU and NATO but constantly bickered with their NATO allies and often went ahead and did their own thing and were pretty mistrustful of the US. The US and other NATO members during the Cold War focused more on integration of their forces and producing complementary equipment whereas France, especially under DeGaulle, focused more on their own military and producing most of their own gear and their nuclear policy was pretty divergent with the rest of NATO. They even essentially left NATO withdrawing from the command structure because they feel France is special and shouldnt be beholden to any of their allies; they want the protection that NATO provides but dont want to have to actually put in the work that NATO demands if they dont want to.
indeed, it's amazing to think he stood against nazi germany, in retrospect he would have made a great ally of it. Lucky for france he wasn't in office to control foreign policy when the war began.
Lobter
14:04 he ain’t wrong
Marcus Aurelius The Man Who Solved the Universe
The dumbest war for me is that one time were Honduras and El Salvador destroyed each other over a football game
Just one more thing... The last communication between the vessels was the chief Brazilian destroyer wishing "bon voyage" to Paul Gaufeny as it turned away.
This must have been very mind blowing for JF Kennedy
1:44 "Stop or I'll ------------ faster then a panzer tank
I don't get "mixed signals", I get bitches - Charles DeGaulle
*#Lobter*
Fun fact, Le Foch, Clemenceau sister ship, was sold to the Brazilian navy after her service in the french navy
“Hey drop it drop the oil!”
*America has entered the chat*
The Vaporeon being connected to the NSFW sign was gold.
5:05 WHY DONT WE GET CLOSURE TO THIS ROMANCE STORY
"Paul, I'm rich and the president of France. I don't get mixed signals. I get bitches" is prob the quote of the year lol.
Bluejay, I think another funny topic to cover that is just like this is the "Bone Wars"; a time when early paleontologists would actively sabotage each other as they all rush to discover more and more dinosaur fossils.
The winner of this so called war is named Othniel Charles Marsh while his rival was, fittingly named, Edward Drinker Cope.
“Nations Crustacean Relations” you should be proud of that A+ Rhyme.
_"Brazil is not a serious country"_ -- De Gaulle, on the Lobster War
Acktually it was his Economy Minister, but who am I to say anything
NÃO FOI ELE
In other words, we're not white
you know its a good year when BlueJay posts his annual video
He has uploaded 6 videos in the last year
What's crazy is, it's in the same week as a Casually Explained video. What a week!
lol
Yeah, the lobster war is pretty stupid, but you ever heard about the cod wars?
1:03 NEDERLAND MOMENT
that diplomaSEA pun is unrivaled. A round of applause everyone!!!!
The most underrated channel that doesn't have 1 million subs on the internet
I’m shocked it isn’t a much bigger channel, definitely the the most underrated
His inconsistency with posting content is what's hindering him. People have such short attention spans and impatience they unsubscribe if they have to wait very long.
France miscalculated the Lapalce transform thats how they calculated the lobster was a fish, they should have used the Fourier transform instead
The French thought that Brazil would not have an air force with fighters, when they saw their mistake the ship's crew surrendered. It was to be expected, all Frances knows how to do is surrender
I love how you still put in the constellation details, especially the North star!
I’m glad you noticed :)
" i dont get mixed signals , i get bitches "
- Charles de Gaul -
This feels like it could be a plot for a Wes Anderson movie.
Here in Norway, we have a Supreme Court case about snow crabs, and whether they're a sedentary species or not. Basically if they live in the ocean, or if they live on the ocean floor.
It's regarded as one of the most important supreme court cases in modern Norwegian legal history, illustrated by the fact that the hearing was attended by all SC judges, instead of the usual five SC judges in an ordinary SC hearing.
The reason for its importance is because it deals with the Svalbard Treaty, which gives Norway sovereignty over Svalbard with the condition that any other treaty party (country) can conduct activities there on equal terms as Norway. This case decided whether this condition of equal terms also applies to the resources in the continental shelf, including oil and minerals. If the snow crab is a sedentary species, the court would have to give an interpretation of the Svalbard Treaty. If snow crab isn't, then the court could leave the question of who has the rights to the continental shelf ambiguous
What was the outcome?
Love the attention to detail, especially that 760,320 gumballs really do add up to 12 miles
It's like on Well There's Your Problem, where they convert the compensation awarded to victims of disasters (and/or surviving family members) to the equivalent number of Xboxes, or Xboxen, beginning with the Hindenburg episode.
Fun fact: since indenpendence Brazil has never lost a war
Well, I mean, like...uh
Yeah, that's true...
Somebody has to keep those crazy Bolivians in check.
Dude we lost Uruguay
@@jlGenozzVhe did not said that was Brazil's independance
And did Lopez thought Brazil intervention against Blonco government in Uruguay was a lucky shot, something they could not repeat against the mighty Paraguayan Army?
“Paul I’m rich and the president of France I don’t get mixed signals I get bitches” Dumbledore said softly
The perfect alternative to the cod war.
Your videos as well as oversimplified are possibly the only history vids i can watch straight up and not as background noise. The comedic execution in your work is unmatched in this vertical of youtube content.
never laughed this hard for highly accurate historical story telling than this! my kids wondered if it was ok! Thank you for this blue jay. the story i never knew i needed to hear 😅😂
When talking about marine conflicts everybody knows about Cod Wars, now people learn about Lobster War, but almost nobody remembers about Alaskan Pollock War in Sea of Okhotsk between Russia (duh) and... Poland. In 1991 Polish fisherman realized there is a hole in Russian EEZ (called Peanut Hole) and started overfishing Alaskan Pollock in massive scale (you know, it was like 8000 km from Polish homeland and is was harming mostly Russia so destroying ecosystem in Peanut Hole was almost a patriotic think to do). Soon after other countries realized what Poles where doing so Japan, South Korea, China, Japan, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Panama, Taiwan, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia etc... joined Poles in ravaging the Peanut Hole. And it was almost bulletproof idea because if all the Alaskan Pollock was fished out in Peanut Hole after some time new fish would come from Russian EEZ, where those countries could not fish. So Russian Navy started to block access (illegally) to the Peanut Hole. In 1993, China, Japan, Poland, Russia and South Korea agreed to stop fishing in the Peanut Hole until the pollock stocks recovered, but without an agreement on how to proceed after that, but as far I seen the main conflict lasted at least to 1997. But it took like 30 years for Russia to lobby a change in international law in the United Nation and since 2014 Russia Peanut Hole is part of Russian EEZ.
Here is map of former Peanut Hole surrounded by Russian EEZ: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_Hole#/media/File:Peanut_Hole.jpg
I guess he forgot Brazil sank more German shipping than any other nation...
If I had a nicle for every time a war broke out during the cold war because of seafood I'd have two nicles, which isn't alot but it's weird that it happened twice.
*Iceland has entered the chat*
*Britain has entered the chat*
The Netherlands, as DOOM Guy is very accurate. They just stole the spice trade and were too angry to die.
You and the Brits almost made Nutmeg extinct. On purpose.
Because if it was extinct, but YOUR country had it, ohhh boooy, could you jack up the price.
The East India Companies were savage af
@peteneblett9344 Anything for that profit😅
Question: Steal the spice trade. That wasn't a question but the Dutch did it anyway.
A small price to pay for bamischijf.
Oh man, now it makes sense why the French are all about langoustines but not lobsters! TIL 😂
the most hilarious thing about this whole kerfuffle is that, if the french had just moved a little ways up the south american coast, then they would've been fishing in their own waters and the whole situation would've been avoided.
YES, I WAS IN YOUR SERVER SO I KNEW WHEN IT WAS COMING OUT BUT YES, STILL YES!
4:12 who the fuck man’s that map in the Balkans
12:38 this earned you a like.
Blue Jay Penny: 11:12
You did good
Wow four likes…
new personal record 🏆🏆🏆
The warships at 10:51 Is MNF Richelieu , first of her class. Despite being the most well designed treaty era Battleship her service record was unremarkable and mostly spent her time either blowing up rocks for target practice or being repaired in drydock for sailing onto a sea mines.
i know nobody asked but i really like boats and thought someone might be interested. To that end i will continue watching the video as our great blue feathered god intended
thanks for the cool information! I hope you enjoyed the video:D
"Much like a pilot to a millionaire's island, the french navy sat there and did... nothing"
Typical...
I love the idea of seeing airships in the sky. They just seem so much more graceful.
a lobster being a fish is the same argument that a pangolin is a person because they walk on 2 legs
edit: YALL i said PANGOLIN not PENGUIN look em up way crazier than some plato penguin shit
A FEATHERLESS BIPED!
Mmmm... Plato's man!
@@gabrielfarina9324 *Diogenese enters the chat*
Penguins are people, they have suits on
BEHOLD A MAN!!
Dear God. The dialogue in this and execution is incredible. Words really cannot express how much I am loving this
sounds like the Cod wars "fought" between the Royal Navy and the iclandic coast guard
We shouldn't make fun of France for surrendering to Germany during WWII.
We should make fun of France for the Lobster War.
My biggest fear is now a giant lobster breaking into my house telling me “you’ll never amount to anything”
The part about the research license honestly made my day, it was so damn sweet man
Loaf of milk made me laugh so much😂
Brazil: the fuck?
Brazil: omg the ships here already