Ian Ritchie thankfully it can make them cheap. I picked up a 1906 Cogswell & Harrison with the makers original case for 360 gbp and a Laurona with mint barrels for £75 😊 I like the fact no one wants them
Just log on to uk gun trader you should see one you like. However its proberly your goverment who will charge you mega bucks to import one. Perhaps wait for a free trade deal . Just watch out some of those guns are a bit thin in the barrels and its not like Amazon with thier return policy. Come over some time when all this crap is over. Steer clear of London its a shithole and full of well spoken arseholes lol
I recently inherited my grandfathers Charles Boswell S&S 12G. I've shot clays with U&O, but this thing I've got is a real thing of beauty. It's so well machined, hand etched, had tens of thousands of rounds through it, but still tight as new.
I just bought a Parker 12 gauge SxS from a 88 year old man, his father gave it to him back in 1974. This is the first time it’s been out of the family since it was purchased new. It’s now 121 years old. It’s a beautiful gun, and my most treasured firearm.
My advice is...make sure you buy yourself a side by side......take it out sometimes and enjoy the experience of shooting it....ok, you clay score may not be as good with it, but the smile on your face is very good compensation.
I found I enjoy shooting my great grandpas sxs more than my rem 870wingmaster. Theres something about the whole experience of it. More enjoyable allnway around.
@@howey935 Thing is - to have with you on the street anything designed to cause harm (even a small piece of plastic rod) per-se is already illegal in UK as was many times explained. Trouble us that cunts in Europarlament (as was told in some news) are thinking about banning the possession of the knives they declare to be dangerous (and obviously, slowly expanding this ban in future).
Come to Canada where they are legal assuming they were built that way and at least 26” overall. Still sxs look so cool although they push a little out of line when shooting especially the outside barrel, right barrel if you are a righty. It’s a very small effect but noticeable, however your inside barrel is better controlled in contrast, (at least for me, perhaps it’s my presentation?).
Pretty much everyone I have shot game with in the UK over the last 5 years shoots S/S. If you're talking clays then yes, O/U is used nearly 100% of the time. The problem with this video is that it is based on supply/demand in the market. That is not the same as usage in the field. I have 6 S/S shotguns, but how many have I bought or sold over the last 10 years? Zero. So yes, O/Us are more popular now, because of the reasons you mention, but to say that nobody uses them any more is wrong.
For a classic side by side, you may want to consider a Birmingham made (and largely hand built) Wembley and Scott 700 series from the 1960's/70's. They shoot beautifully. Classic lines with low weight and very reliable
I learned to hunt birds with a pump gun. But when I became an adult my first shotgun I bought was a SXS. I just feel there is just something classy about a SXS
I enjoyed your article, and today how true it is. I recently had a comment that my side by side was a relic, in reality it was worth more than the car he was driving. I also very much enjoy hand loading for my older guns in either black powder or smokeless, all traditional with never a plastic wad and a roll crimp.
As an aside, my brother in law was over from Cyprus recently. From what he tells me the value of side by sides has held over there. When I was showing him the online prices of AYAs’ over here he was close to tears.
@@OldeCountryHomesteading I just bought one , just in time for this years pheasant season. There is just something so elegant about an English stock, splinter forend and double triggers. Dam its sexy!
I still watched this video, even though I was sure I knew what you were going to say AND I was right, spot on. I’m old school, well I should be, I’m 70 years young. I’m an English Ex Pat living in New Zealand and soon got into duck shooting on Lake Ellesmere in Canterbury and that was thirty odd years ago. But I was shooting my bag limit by morning tea! So, I turned to muzzle loading shotguns, not only to lower my bag but also to enjoy the art of shooting waterfowl a lot more.
It is sad, that quite a few people think shooting a bag loads of game with one of these modern U/O shotguns is the bee’s knees. I wish they would take a step back and have a days shooting with a good SxS or even like me, a days pheasant shooting at Craigmore Station on beaters day and only shoot half a dozen with a single barrel percussion shotgun. Just imagine shooting a high pheasant with a muzzle loader or a nice SxS, the satisfaction is just imminence and the memories will stay with you for a long time.
I love side x side shotguns. I love the feel, balance, and vintage appearance. I find the wider, shallower forearm is more comfortable in my hand than the narrower and deeper forearm of over/unders. CZ just started marketing their Sharptail 28 gauge with 3" chambers. It just made my bucket list for grouse, woodcock, and chukar. As far as semi-autos go, I'm not a big fan, but my Remington 1100 Sporting .410 may be my favorite gun. I love the clean lines, soft recoil, and buttery smooth action. I can run 90+ clays on a 100 bird course with it.
It always amazes me when someone comes up and says that a certain gun is a problem or no good. It's usually a gun that has been around longer than the person who has this wealth of information and literally thousands of units sold to shooters around the world. So enjoy their cute little stories about how little they know about the gun they feel is below their standards and enjoy using it long after they fade away
An interesting observation. My first shotgun was a side by side, with external hammers, and two triggers, and fixed choke barrels.. basically I had a wider sighting plane, and INSTANT choke selection, plus visual reference as to which barrel was cocked, lol! I do like the idea of a hammerless side by side, with interchangeable chokes, and two triggers :) I've got nothing against under and overs, but I've never used one myself.
Just before the start of this game season I bought a sxs. Nothing special (asi game gun) and it was purely to scratch an itch. I had a couple of mornings on the clays to get used to it and shot really well with it. And I've got to say, I love it . I shoot well with it, it's lighter than my o/u, and there is a real traditional feel about it. The only thing I don't like is the chokes are a bit more open than I'd like at cylinder and 1/4. Would have preferred 1/2 and 1/2. Anyway, sxs fan here keeping the dream alive lol.
I bought an Aya Yeoman to accompany my OU and semi auto, 35 to 40 years old, cost £150, great condition and great fun, but I'll agree that with me not being the best shot in the World, I do miss more than with the OU or semi auto, lovely to look at as you say and great to have one sat in the gun cabinet.
I’m 17 and I’ve pretty much only ever shot sxs, I started when I was about 6 on a single barrel 410 just to get the ropes in a wood with my dad and quickly moved into an AYA sxs 28 bore, I took that to my first ever driven shoot and that was what I was dropped into. A few years down the line I was claying with a mate and he’d just got a 20 bore berreta and I had a try and it was different to my AYA but I just preferred the feel of a sxs so I stuck with it a few years back now when I was 13/14 I tried out my dads AYA sxs 12 bore and I was hooked after that a year later my grandad gave me his BSA sxs 12 bore (which was my dad first 12 bore and also my grandads first gun he bought) and I was hooked i still use it to this day and I love the look surprised people give when they see someone my age shooting a sxs still
Good lad I love side by side's have shot with every thing from a 410 too an 8bore double side by side 12 and 10 bore autos Beretta over and unders in 12 and 20 bore but nothing on this planet shoots more natural than a good side by side that fits you just don't think you just shoot keep it up man brilliant
Good on you!! I've used both u/o and sxs- and for me nothing compares to a lovely side by side!! Classy and elegant for sure - and yet so beautiful to use!! 👍
I have the Stoeger uplander 12 gauge with 28" barrels also rated for steel shot . 3" chambers. Cylinder, modified, modified/ improved and full choke. I love it so far 9 ruffed grouse and a pheasant this hunting season.
Good video. Thank you. I live in the states and shoot very challenging walk up in the mountains. The reason I take my sxs more often is the weight savings. I take more punishment in recoil, but I don't shoot it as often as a target gun. I don't shoot any gun better or worse than another. I've done the work and know how to shoot. What I believe will be the death knell for Edwardian & Victorian guns will be the ban on lead (as we now have in California). I did just pick up a Dickinson 20 bore. 20ga. Light. Double trigers. Full set of thin wall chokes.
@@tgsoutdoors We have steel, tungsten matrix and Hevi-shot. The trouble is that steel while inferior with respect to density and killing power is still affordable. Hevi for example is around $50.00 per box of 25. Bismuth is a bit cheaper and more old gun friendlier. That said, if one cares, it's a very toxic substance.
I believe your right on all accounts. I'm new to shooting but I have an o/u and a semi auto. But I want a side by side just like my father had. My local shooting grounds you may have 1 or possibly 2 shooting a s/s but very rare. I'd say over the last year 60% are o/u the rest are now semi auto's.
Ive only owned, and will allways own, double triggered SxS. I do not like the "feel" of a O/U a d dont really trust a single trigger. SxS just feels more natural for me.
This is good news for us old fogeys that love side by side guns! I find that a SS is much lighter than an O/U, and, down here, beats are unheard of, we shoot over pointer dogs, so that implies a lot of walking, thus, a lighter gun is just the ticket.
Just bought a 99%/never shot Urgartechea Model 30 SxS, 28" barrels choked F&F, Case Colored Boxlock action with scroll engraving, includes original leather sling and beautiful dark wood. Paid $850., plus shipping total under $900., and DON'T HAVE ANY REGRETS...From what I've read, this 30 preceeds the new reopened Urgartechea Family name businesses and is now called the model 40. I've seen pictures of both and I'll take my 30 over the new 40. Where can we SxS Aficionados find these UNWANTED & UNFULFILLED....Urr Shotguns in England or here in the USA ?
Say what you want 😏! Side-by-side shotguns are the things to be & get. For one, they look way cooler than over & under shotgun 2nd it holds more class to have a side-by-side shotgun in your hand and 3rd, the older the side-by-side shotgun is the better. Especially the ones with hammer pins showing . . . . .
I’ve got an AYA Yeoman and enjoy shooting it. My safe queen at the moment is an unused 20b Tempio light. I think most people nowadays tend to have a number of different shotguns for different uses, a pump or semi for instance for wildfowling, an over and under for clays and a side by side for rough shoots and Days. Let’s face it, for the price of a weekend away you can pick up a nice S xS, why not buy one and preserve another shotgun for the next generation? Next purchase for me is probably a sidelock.
Good video. My answer, you need both because there is nothing like shooting a beautiful old side by side with a double trigger.. makes me smile and reminds me of when I started shooting.
I wonder why all the best shots in the world shoot over and under's, surely they must all be wrong. It was considered very unsporting to use a breech loader when the muzzle loader was in fashion. It's called progress guys!
It's not just about the destination but about the journey. Once you fish with a fly rod you will understand this. You catch fewer fish but the ones you land are infinitely more rewarding. Same with the SxS. If you're going to war, use the semi-auto. If going for the enjoyment, use the SxS. A souped up muscle car will get you to your destination faster, but a Rolls Royce Corniche will make the trip a hell of a lot more enjoyable. Slow down and enjoy the journey my friend.
@@bobmasencup5819 I never understood the SxS fetish. If you like them, cool. However, there isn't some mystical properties about them that makes you sit down and write poetry about trees blowing in the wind and seeing shapes of fluffy animals in the clouds...
I used to work at a shotgun shooting range. Clays, trap, skeet and some 8-13 station monster machine my boss made up (which the big machine was nice cause I pulled from the seat and just hit proper combo of buttons) when there was a disagreement or someone thought they were hot shit he would make me hand throw ritz crackers. I think it's time to get out the Ritz cracker thrower guys..
I shoot a 1912 German Hubertus 16 Bore SxS... I love it. It is a handsome piece that exudes charm and style. Shooting it says so much without me saying a word.
I learned to shoot with my grandad sitting on the back of the tractor with his old SXS. There will always be one in my cabinet to keep the memories alive. Nothing quite like pulling out a 100 year old hand build sxs at a shoot and banging away next to the O/U crowd.
Alays give u guys a thumbs up cuz ur shows amazing. Ive only had a license for past three years and always wanted a sidebyside because its where it came from. First gun was a 690 field 3 because i saved up for it but always wanted a side by side. Im definitely coming to ur shop for my first side by side so look forward to seen you
I'm 22, been a sgc holder since 13, I started to shoot with silver sabel in 20g and when I moved up to 12g I was shooting a Davidson sxs, John macnab highlander, 1871 William Rochester Pape and a franchi affinity 1. I have always regretted selling my silver sabel and when I was buying cartridges yesterday, I seen a 12g silver sabel deluxe for sale. Immediately picked it up and felt at home with it. Its now in my cabinet! I will always use sxs, I shoot better with them and prefer the look of them. So much so that I will soon be parting with the macnab highlander
On a technical level, there is no question that an Over and Under is more effective for the everyday shooter. However. I shoot with both but I always enjoy a Side by Side far more for several reasons. Firstly, it is far more elegant and Gentlemanly, and if I don't kill quite so many birds then the relatively small difference in score is a small sacrifice for shooting with some style and grace with a wonderful piece of craftsmanship and sense of history, rather than with an intent of cold industrial slaughter. In my experience those in the gun-line who only think about kill ratios are not the sort of people you would want as friends (and they nearly always drive flash cars and seem very insecure) I mean, if you just want to kill then what does that say about you?
I hope you're talking about a European-made Drilling, because Chiappa's "Triple Threat" is an overweight, awkward POS... It feels like a fencepost and weighs more than a fully loaded "tacticool" pump gun with extended mag tube and half a dozen ridiculous add-ons hanging from the forend!
from Canada : screw you air-heads ... I was invited to a great manor house ... outside London; To ostensibly purchase a 'new-old' triple barrel .. [ and it was all 20g .... Not a drilling ] - and 150,000$ [CAN] Similarly .... I was strong enough to lift and point a 4-bore Double ...... Now this was 'Sporting'
I collect side by sides and have one over and under. My first gun a year ago was a Thomas Bland all original from around 1925 for £600. Picked up a Cogswell & Harrison from 1906, again all original, with original makers box for £360. Don’t get me wrong I like taking the over and under out as my old man purchased it new about 3 months before he passed away last year. But there’s just something satisfying about hitting things with a gun over 100 years old. It never fails to amuse me when people look over my cheap side by sides
I got a lamber over and under and shot with it for about 3 months. In this time i began to hate it and walked into my gun shop and there was my H. Clarke & Sons S x S. Ive been shooting it for about a year, and while it has a full bore choke (aka no choke at all) i still can make those occasional 40-50 yarders, and i love every second i’m holding it. I don’t think i’ll ever get rid of it!!
I must be the exception to the rule then...got an O/U (double trigger) and a Semi in the cabinet, next purchase will definitely be a sxs...why the heck not? They're just prettier!
That declining demand has forced prices to lower on double barrel side by sides for product lines to stay sales competitive. I took advantage of that, and in doing so, I have had very good experiences with the Churchill Akkar 500 series, long barrel, wood stock, side by sides. They are beautiful, simple, and affordable machines, and I love the tradition associated with them. The build quality is fantastic, but it is hard to teach people to use them, because, like you said, they have an unconventional sight picture. They are viewed as an interesting yet almost decorative antiquity by most people at the range, even though they aren't old guns. They perform perfectly and reliably for harvesting game, and have fed me well for many nights, but I feel that in time, they may be something left only to rich firearms collectors and museums. Thanks for the video~
My question is, what is the standard length of the double and single barrel shot gun. What is normal or proximate yards to hit a target with 'BB' AA SSG SG SLOG shot gun Cartridges from any manufacturer.
My father in law owns a late 1800's side by side coach gun(I call it that because his Grandfather work the stagecoaches for Wells Fargo in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA.) As far as I know it has not been fired since the 1940's. He has other shotguns and just has the Side by side as a historic piece.
Which is EXACTLY why I have bought two, old, beautifully crafted side by sides. An enormous return in beauty and hand-made, old school, gunsmithing craftsmanship for a very reasonable price. Oh...and I also have a run-of-the-mill, CNC machined, production line over/under for actual competition.
Oddly I own Both types, and my scores are virtually identical, Remember you don,t `LOOK` at the barrels its 80% out there and 20%-ish. . barrels You point a shotgun not `aim` hence good fit and eyes (?) Fashion has caused this trend. I also shoot Auto`s Seemples to shoot, and don,t knock you about. . its horses for courses . , go and try BOTH (3)!!
My double barrel is the first gun I've ever bought and I'm really happy with it. Its never once jammed on me, had a problem, and I can use 9mm adaptors to practice target shooting in a normal range. I also love the ability to turn on safety since I need to be able to sling it over my shoulder and walk around while hunting. Most shotguns don't have a safety you need to have the shell unchambered.
Agree with all points here. However, I’d add another reason I didn’t consider a SxS as my first gun - the only ones that were available were much older and much more likely to require work on them. The second-hand OU was only a few years old and much less likely to cost me money in repairs in the next few years. It was a similar attitude to buying my first car - I had an average budget, would have considered anything, but the running costs were a big factor! I would love to try a newish Parallelo and would definitely still consider buying a SxS
"People don't learn to shoot walking the hedge rows with their Father, Uncle etc" paraphrased, but that pretty sums up more problems than this video could possibly cover.
30-40 quid for a side by side? dayummmmmmm they go for so much more here in the US than our pump or semis are even on par with over and under price wise.
I have a 20 gauge Charles Daly SxS that I purchased some 20 odd years ago and shot less than 50 rounds through it. I would shoot it more but the action is so stiff it’s a bother to shoot. Other than another 1,000 rounds what can be done?
RogueSquadronWeapons as your fellow yank I would say that has a lot to do with game populations and publicly available hunting. Given a limit of 8 partridge, 4 grouse, 3 pheasant, and 15 doves, 7 ducks, 4 dark geese, and 7 snow geese, and a very good chance of bagging much of this on the same day or two, semis make sense. Having a 3rd, 4th, 5th, and sometimes 6th round on board is nice when quail or partridge provide a loose flush. They also ease the recoil of heavy 3" and 3 1/2" duck and goose loads, or an active day in a dove stand or at the trap club. I like my doubles, but my self shuckers and trombones get more play.
Anti Federal there was a time when the LAPD used Stevens SxSs for serving high risk warrants. #4 in the first barrel, and #4 Buck in the other. Something about doubles being appropriate for dangerous game, be it beast or man. ...and yet now we see semi-autos in the same roll, with lives at stake, in spite of the fact that shotguns tend to settle the matter with just a round or two. I can only surmise they have improved. Would I be afraid to use a double barrel for that purpose? I have, and no (though no shots were fired). Would I be afraid of a well maintained self loader? Also no.
@@jacobmccandles1767 well you see, my comment was supposed to poke at bongistanis about not being able to own semi auto shotguns, or at least without tight control.
RogueSquadronWeapons i confess I had temporarily forgotten about that. Indeed, the biggest reason for those of us on the left side of the pond is: because we can.
I have shot O/Us since I started shooting 30 years ago. Current main gun is a Superposed I recently picked up a Merkel sbs and I'm finding that it fits well and it shoots as well as my O/Us on our club sporting ground. Putting a recoil pad has helped with recoil, with factory loads, and also fits me better now. I usually hand load 7/8 oz and it's a pussycat with these loads and the clays still break. Paid about 175 stl which is crazy as a new merkel is about 1500 over here.
This pheasant hunter has enjoyed hunting in Nebraska and Kansas many times and side by sides are always the choice to harvest the beautiful birds while enjoying being with good friends and dogs!
From what I'm seeing here in the 'colonies' (America) is that SXS's are getting a BIT more prevalent. Certainly, O/U are more numerous. Automatics are becoming the default shotgun.
OMG. John you're killing me. I found an AyA No.1 that looks to be in very nice condition for under half of cost new.. I was considering it. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe for the better. I can spend the money on more shells and a few hunting trips. Thanks for your honest take on the subject.
find a decent #2 for 700-1200 if you can, great solid guns and heavy enough to use all day but still feel nice to use and also usually have 2 3/4 chambers if you feel that's relevant for you
@@elemental4rce Sadly that may be a tall order in that price range here in the USA. AyA doesn't seem to be as available and prices on gunbroker are a bit above that range. I will keep my eyes open. Thanks for recommendation.
@@danhill6333 didn't realise you were in the U.S! I think a lot of expensive English guns go to America collectors now but I don't know what the average market for sbs are like in America. Hope you find something :)
@@elemental4rce SxS are definitely a niche market in the US. It's the same here as Johnny describes in England. Originally the only reason I both a SxS was to shoot two vintagers matches a year. But as I've been watching more videos like The Gun Shop and others I'm getting more interested in SxS especially nicer ones that are within my budget.
I think the next big thing will be semi auto's. My brother as been saying it for ages. It won't be long before you see them on game shoots. There design allows more tech to reduce recoil ect.
I'm definitely in the 'want a side by side in the cabinet just because' category. I'm looking at traditional English make, even hammer lock (for that classic look) so what should I be looking at ?
I just searched sxs on Guntrader an looked at everything that I liked the look of......if you're having it 'just because' then I think aesthetics are important. I ended up with the final choice being on engraving!....even though it was between a 12G and a 20G. I bought an 1875 Powell btw, sepentine hammers and a rotary underlever release.
Iv been shooting sxs since a very young age, and have only ever used a o/u once on a guest day I didn't know I was shooting on. Even though I would love to buy one, I keep picking up my old Holloway and naughton because it works and looks so damb sexy.
Good video - I think it is horses for courses. I have a big heavy Nikko O/U trap gun with which I can shoot clays for hours without recoil fatigue but it's a couple of pounds heavier than my Webley & Scott 700 sxs, hence the latter is harder on the shoulder but easier to carry. Both shoot equally accurately when I do my part, but neither are as accurate as my two Browning Auto5s. The reality is that the semi-autos are a superior design to either design of double barrel gun because they have a single barrel, with no parallax between shots.
I'm very fortunate because on the shooting etate that I live on nearly the whole team of guns are side-by-side and it's really a splendid site to watch and shoot with
I much prefer a sxs for practical reasons. They're more comfortable to carry broken over your arm, the cartridges don't fall out or partially fall out like in the top barrel of an OU, so when you go to close the gun to take a shot the gun won't close. They're easier to load too. The double trigger and auto safe are great features that take only a few moments of practice to become second nature to use, oh yeah, and they look much better too! I've a perfectly good beretta that sits in the cabinet unused and a semi auto with even more dust on it. If is shoot less accurately with a sxs than an ou it's by such a small percentage that it's unrecognisable in the field, maybe if you were keeping score clay shooting it would be there, but that's of little interest to me. Everything about an sxs is more pleasurable to use, in my eyes.
I have a very hard time seeing any of your points I must admit. More comfortable is a matter of habit, you hold a over and under a bit different, sxs tend to be a bit lighter weight so that may make a difference. I have no idea how you manage to have cartridges fall out. If the gun won't close you have a defective gun. Loading is a pure matter of practice on the different systems, I have seen as many students have problems with a sxs as an over and under. Personally I can use all systems and have thousands of rounds of training in both O/U and sxs. Auto safe is standard on any over and under game gun, what you describe are clay guns and if you prefer there are over and under guns with double triggers like there are sxs guns with single triggers. Managing the safety is to be automatic when you raise and lover the gun from shooting position meaning in an optimal world you would never use the automatic safety on either a O/U or a sxs. Looks are purely a matter of personal taste so no critique there ;) Everyone are to use whatever they see fit them better and I do have students that from the start prefer sxs and all the better, but I have
@@ljp200 If you're rough shooting and have a broken but loaded OU then the cartridge in the top barrel of the OU can move so that it's not fully in the chamber, you then try to close the gun and the cartridge stops it from closing. If you don't rough shoot or shoot walked up you wouldn't have the issue, but I can't be the only one who's had that trouble with an OU?
I love my side by side I own a beautiful 16 bore very pretty slim gun. And I can hit anything I point at. I have semi autos too but always end up picking my s/s. Plus you can keep your over and unders horrible bulky lumps of wood.
The only problem with a side x side Shotgun is the guy who doesn't want to own one..!
That's ok, I'll take his.
I own 16 shotguns and have 3 side by sides..they are classy guns..traditional and if you can learn to shoot with them then your on a winner
Yep a BENELLI auto in the pheasants..SMOKE EM
Agree
Amen to that! Side by side is the classiest of all the shotguns in my opinion.
Someone needs to figure out how to ship all of these English side-by-sides to the US.
www.vintagedoubles.com
I just wish we could buy them for the prices they appear to be going for in the UK.
@@bubbajones5905 I think that you have an import tariff/restriction problem.
most of the quality english guns are already there!
A couple hundred??? Last one I saw (in America) was about $1000.
Being an American, it blow my mind that y’all have all the fine English doubles over there and no one wants them.
Ian Ritchie thankfully it can make them cheap. I picked up a 1906 Cogswell & Harrison with the makers original case for 360 gbp and a Laurona with mint barrels for £75 😊 I like the fact no one wants them
@@mattmartin1258 how have found them ? I can only dream of a deal like that !
Just log on to uk gun trader you should see one you like. However its proberly your goverment who will charge you mega bucks to import one. Perhaps wait for a free trade deal . Just watch out some of those guns are a bit thin in the barrels and its not like Amazon with thier return policy. Come over some time when all this crap is over. Steer clear of London its a shithole and full of well spoken arseholes lol
The good thing is they're cheap but that also means a lot of them get scrapped
I recently inherited my grandfathers Charles Boswell S&S 12G. I've shot clays with U&O, but this thing I've got is a real thing of beauty. It's so well machined, hand etched, had tens of thousands of rounds through it, but still tight as new.
It is all true except for one thing when you miss with an over and under you just miss, with a side by side you still miss BUT IN STYLE!
So very well said.!!!
Oh truer words never spoken!!!!
Oh good sir, spot on
Technically, you suck at shooting
And you're american too.
The problem I have with owning six quality side-by-side, is I don't have nearly enough!
11 here and have room for more. So, am looking. Will there ever be enough? Doubt it.
Do you use them?
Ok boomer
I just bought a Parker 12 gauge SxS from a 88 year old man, his father gave it to him back in 1974. This is the first time it’s been out of the family since it was purchased new. It’s now 121 years old. It’s a beautiful gun, and my most treasured firearm.
My advice is...make sure you buy yourself a side by side......take it out sometimes and enjoy the experience of shooting it....ok, you clay score may not be as good with it, but the smile on your face is very good compensation.
Very true Ken, I have won many clay shoots both down the line and sporting with my old AYA no2.and pretty handy at ducks and driven pheasant.
For me I shoot clays way better with my Double Barrel than I do with my Pump Action. Then again I practice the most with Double Barrel
I found I enjoy shooting my great grandpas sxs more than my rem 870wingmaster. Theres something about the whole experience of it. More enjoyable allnway around.
With an over and under you get more birds, with a side by side you get more invites.
when guns are so rare that you can name your gun shop the gun shop
KazooLordHD unfortunately that’s the U.K. the silly cunts in parliament were even talking about banning knives.
@@howey935 Thing is - to have with you on the street anything designed to cause harm (even a small piece of plastic rod) per-se is already illegal in UK as was many times explained. Trouble us that cunts in Europarlament (as was told in some news) are thinking about banning the possession of the knives they declare to be dangerous (and obviously, slowly expanding this ban in future).
Yeah and its like playing mine sweeper with your life in Europe
@@JohnDoe-iw7zc It's not really. More people have died of mass shootings in the US than of bombs in Europe.
Antonbombom compare violent crimes in New York to London though
*Have you EVER seen an under and over sawn off shotgun? Side by sides are just cooler!!!*
😂 😂 😂 😂 brilliant
Come to Canada where they are legal assuming they were built that way and at least 26” overall. Still sxs look so cool although they push a little out of line when shooting especially the outside barrel, right barrel if you are a righty. It’s a very small effect but noticeable, however your inside barrel is better controlled in contrast, (at least for me, perhaps it’s my presentation?).
In point of fact, yes. Chuck Norris used one in the movie "Hitman".
Ol' Chuck made it look cool, but no, it didn't look right.
@@jacobmccandles1767 I heard that chuck was offered a side by side but it was a Baikal so he went for the under and over.
Anthony Cribbs. You took the words out of my mouth lol
Pretty much everyone I have shot game with in the UK over the last 5 years shoots S/S. If you're talking clays then yes, O/U is used nearly 100% of the time. The problem with this video is that it is based on supply/demand in the market. That is not the same as usage in the field. I have 6 S/S shotguns, but how many have I bought or sold over the last 10 years? Zero.
So yes, O/Us are more popular now, because of the reasons you mention, but to say that nobody uses them any more is wrong.
My dream gun is a Holland and Holland Royal Side by Side... I'll never be able to afford it, but man are those some wonderful guns!
my dream is an H&H double rifle that's royalty in a weapon
My dream gun is an Auto 5 I own 3. 😁
That's a fact
Better still a matched pair. Made and fitted just for you.
I tell people my H&H double is on back order…. Lost in the supply chain along with my Rolls Royce and my Patek Phillipe 😂
Elegant side by side versus bulky over and under? No contest for.me !
Yeah just buy a sleek Auto 5
I'd have to say a over/under is less bulky
@@bosstube9046 Rather an auto 5 than an over- and - under!
For a classic side by side, you may want to consider a Birmingham made (and largely hand built) Wembley and Scott 700 series from the 1960's/70's. They shoot beautifully. Classic lines with low weight and very reliable
I own a ‘74 W&S 700 and shoot with nothing else, beautiful bit of kit
I learned to hunt birds with a pump gun. But when I became an adult my first shotgun I bought was a SXS. I just feel there is just something classy about a SXS
I want to have one too. I have an over and under but side x sides look way cooler in my opinion.
I enjoyed your article, and today how true it is. I recently had a comment that my side by side was a relic, in reality it was worth more than the car he was driving. I also very much enjoy hand loading for my older guns in either black powder or smokeless, all traditional with never a plastic wad and a roll crimp.
I wish there was easier/cheaper way to import a SxS from the UK...
As an aside, my brother in law was over from Cyprus recently. From what he tells me the value of side by sides has held over there. When I was showing him the online prices of AYAs’ over here he was close to tears.
I don’t mind having a lower score at sporting clays. Love my sxs’s, and I hope my daughter does when she’s old enough to shoot.
Here in the States, cowboy action sports keep the side by side alive in the market.
Its unfortunate that CAS larpers are the ones keeping it alive. Need to get the wingshooters shooting sxs again.
@@OldeCountryHomesteading I just bought one , just in time for this years pheasant season. There is just something so elegant about an English stock, splinter forend and double triggers. Dam its sexy!
Old timers like double barrels for hunting in the states.
@@blakedavis2447 Well, I guess I'm kind of an old timer. 😊
I still watched this video, even though I was sure I knew what you were going to say AND I was right, spot on.
I’m old school, well I should be, I’m 70 years young. I’m an English Ex Pat living in New Zealand and soon got
into duck shooting on Lake Ellesmere in Canterbury and that was thirty odd years ago. But I was shooting my
bag limit by morning tea! So, I turned to muzzle loading shotguns, not only to lower my bag but also to enjoy
the art of shooting waterfowl a lot more.
It is sad, that quite a few people think shooting a bag loads of game with one of these modern U/O shotguns
is the bee’s knees. I wish they would take a step back and have a days shooting with a good SxS or even like
me, a days pheasant shooting at Craigmore Station on beaters day and only shoot half a dozen with a single
barrel percussion shotgun. Just imagine shooting a high pheasant with a muzzle loader or a nice SxS, the
satisfaction is just imminence and the memories will stay with you for a long time.
I love side x side shotguns. I love the feel, balance, and vintage appearance. I find the wider, shallower forearm is more comfortable in my hand than the narrower and deeper forearm of over/unders.
CZ just started marketing their Sharptail 28 gauge with 3" chambers. It just made my bucket list for grouse, woodcock, and chukar.
As far as semi-autos go, I'm not a big fan, but my Remington 1100 Sporting .410 may be my favorite gun. I love the clean lines, soft recoil, and buttery smooth action. I can run 90+ clays on a 100 bird course with it.
Same here. I've been eyeballing the CZ Bobwhite G2 in 28 for my next toy.
Have an 1100 in 20... might be my fave too
It always amazes me when someone comes up and says that a certain gun is a problem or no good. It's usually a gun that has been around longer than the person who has this wealth of information and literally thousands of units sold to shooters around the world. So enjoy their cute little stories about how little they know about the gun they feel is below their standards and enjoy using it long after they fade away
An interesting observation. My first shotgun was a side by side, with external hammers, and two triggers, and fixed choke barrels.. basically I had a wider sighting plane, and INSTANT choke selection, plus visual reference as to which barrel was cocked, lol! I do like the idea of a hammerless side by side, with interchangeable chokes, and two triggers :) I've got nothing against under and overs, but I've never used one myself.
Just before the start of this game season I bought a sxs. Nothing special (asi game gun) and it was purely to scratch an itch. I had a couple of mornings on the clays to get used to it and shot really well with it. And I've got to say, I love it . I shoot well with it, it's lighter than my o/u, and there is a real traditional feel about it. The only thing I don't like is the chokes are a bit more open than I'd like at cylinder and 1/4. Would have preferred 1/2 and 1/2. Anyway, sxs fan here keeping the dream alive lol.
The problem with SxS is with the owner / shooters competance
I bought an Aya Yeoman to accompany my OU and semi auto, 35 to 40 years old, cost £150, great condition and great fun, but I'll agree that with me not being the best shot in the World, I do miss more than with the OU or semi auto, lovely to look at as you say and great to have one sat in the gun cabinet.
That .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer on the top right shelf tho :o
I’m 17 and I’ve pretty much only ever shot sxs, I started when I was about 6 on a single barrel 410 just to get the ropes in a wood with my dad and quickly moved into an AYA sxs 28 bore, I took that to my first ever driven shoot and that was what I was dropped into. A few years down the line I was claying with a mate and he’d just got a 20 bore berreta and I had a try and it was different to my AYA but I just preferred the feel of a sxs so I stuck with it a few years back now when I was 13/14 I tried out my dads AYA sxs 12 bore and I was hooked after that a year later my grandad gave me his BSA sxs 12 bore (which was my dad first 12 bore and also my grandads first gun he bought) and I was hooked i still use it to this day and I love the look surprised people give when they see someone my age shooting a sxs still
Good lad I love side by side's have shot with every thing from a 410 too an 8bore double side by side 12 and 10 bore autos Beretta over and unders in 12 and 20 bore but nothing on this planet shoots more natural than a good side by side that fits you just don't think you just shoot keep it up man brilliant
Congratulations, you are a discerning man of taste and not a sheep who simply follows what everyone else does.
Good on you!! I've used both u/o and sxs- and for me nothing compares to a lovely side by side!! Classy and elegant for sure - and yet so beautiful to use!! 👍
Pick up an Auto 5 you'll never touch a SxS or OU again
@@bosstube9046 are you able to make any other comment???
I have the Stoeger uplander 12 gauge with 28" barrels also rated for steel shot . 3" chambers. Cylinder, modified, modified/ improved and full choke. I love it so far 9 ruffed grouse and a pheasant this hunting season.
So if you’re more competitive go for for the over/under, if you’re more relaxed and just enjoy a shoot, grab a side by side 🤷♂️
Good video. Thank you. I live in the states and shoot very challenging walk up in the mountains. The reason I take my sxs more often is the weight savings. I take more punishment in recoil, but I don't shoot it as often as a target gun. I don't shoot any gun better or worse than another. I've done the work and know how to shoot. What I believe will be the death knell for Edwardian & Victorian guns will be the ban on lead (as we now have in California). I did just pick up a Dickinson 20 bore. 20ga. Light. Double trigers. Full set of thin wall chokes.
With the ban on lead, is it only steel that has really taken off? We still sell limited quantities on bismuth and tungsten matrix load
@@tgsoutdoors We have steel, tungsten matrix and Hevi-shot. The trouble is that steel while inferior with respect to density and killing power is still affordable. Hevi for example is around $50.00 per box of 25. Bismuth is a bit cheaper and more old gun friendlier. That said, if one cares, it's a very toxic substance.
We tested some bismuth shells last year here in central California on quail and they did fantastic. That's what we plan to use this season.
I believe your right on all accounts. I'm new to shooting but I have an o/u and a semi auto. But I want a side by side just like my father had. My local shooting grounds you may have 1 or possibly 2 shooting a s/s but very rare. I'd say over the last year 60% are o/u the rest are now semi auto's.
Ive only owned, and will allways own, double triggered SxS. I do not like the "feel" of a O/U a d dont really trust a single trigger. SxS just feels more natural for me.
This is good news for us old fogeys that love side by side guns! I find that a SS is much lighter than an O/U, and, down here, beats are unheard of, we shoot over pointer dogs, so that implies a lot of walking, thus, a lighter gun is just the ticket.
Side by sides for me. Just as effective and much more pleasant.
Not as pleasant as an Auto 5
bosstube Yeuch.
@@myleschilton3473 I have no idea what that means
Just bought a 99%/never shot Urgartechea Model 30 SxS, 28" barrels choked F&F, Case Colored Boxlock action with scroll engraving, includes original leather sling and beautiful dark wood. Paid $850., plus shipping total under $900., and DON'T HAVE ANY REGRETS...From what I've read, this 30 preceeds the new reopened Urgartechea Family name businesses and is now called the model 40. I've seen pictures of both and I'll take my 30 over the new 40. Where can we SxS Aficionados find these UNWANTED & UNFULFILLED....Urr Shotguns in England or here in the USA ?
I have CZ Coach gun ordered and only needs me picking up.It has 20 in barrel,3 in choke,hammers....now Im not so sure its such a prize.
My dad is a big fan of the over and under. Give me the classic side by side any day.
With an over and under you get more birds. With a side by side you get more invites.
Well said Mate!
You had me at tradition. Take my money.
Say what you want 😏! Side-by-side shotguns are the things to be & get. For one, they look way cooler than over & under shotgun 2nd it holds more class to have a side-by-side shotgun in your hand and 3rd, the older the side-by-side shotgun is the better. Especially the ones with hammer pins showing . . . . .
I’ve got an AYA Yeoman and enjoy shooting it. My safe queen at the moment is an unused 20b Tempio light. I think most people nowadays tend to have a number of different shotguns for different uses, a pump or semi for instance for wildfowling, an over and under for clays and a side by side for rough shoots and Days. Let’s face it, for the price of a weekend away you can pick up a nice S xS, why not buy one and preserve another shotgun for the next generation?
Next purchase for me is probably a sidelock.
Engin Hussein how do you like that tempio. I just picked up a 20b Magnus. Not a safe queen though. I’m gonna hunt it. But cautiously. Lol
Good video. My answer, you need both because there is nothing like shooting a beautiful old side by side with a double trigger.. makes me smile and reminds me of when I started shooting.
I wonder why all the best shots in the world shoot over and under's, surely they must all be wrong.
It was considered very unsporting to use a breech loader when the muzzle loader was in fashion.
It's called progress guys!
Well said. It's like when you pull out a metal chassis long range rifle and all the crusty old men turn up their nose.
It's not just about the destination but about the journey. Once you fish with a fly rod you will understand this. You catch fewer fish but the ones you land are infinitely more rewarding. Same with the SxS. If you're going to war, use the semi-auto. If going for the enjoyment, use the SxS. A souped up muscle car will get you to your destination faster, but a Rolls Royce Corniche will make the trip a hell of a lot more enjoyable. Slow down and enjoy the journey my friend.
@@bobmasencup5819 I never understood the SxS fetish. If you like them, cool. However, there isn't some mystical properties about them that makes you sit down and write poetry about trees blowing in the wind and seeing shapes of fluffy animals in the clouds...
I used to work at a shotgun shooting range. Clays, trap, skeet and some 8-13 station monster machine my boss made up (which the big machine was nice cause I pulled from the seat and just hit proper combo of buttons) when there was a disagreement or someone thought they were hot shit he would make me hand throw ritz crackers. I think it's time to get out the Ritz cracker thrower guys..
I am one of the few people that actually shoot better with a sxs. It might be because I started with one. Plus I think they just look so classy.
Mobile chokes. Steel proofed. Single trigger. Pistol grip. Great features on a side by side. Hmmm sounds like a fabarm classis 12.
I shoot a 1912 German Hubertus 16 Bore SxS... I love it. It is a handsome piece that exudes charm and style. Shooting it says so much without me saying a word.
I learned to shoot with my grandad sitting on the back of the tractor with his old SXS. There will always be one in my cabinet to keep the memories alive.
Nothing quite like pulling out a 100 year old hand build sxs at a shoot and banging away next to the O/U crowd.
Alays give u guys a thumbs up cuz ur shows amazing. Ive only had a license for past three years and always wanted a sidebyside because its where it came from. First gun was a 690 field 3 because i saved up for it but always wanted a side by side. Im definitely coming to ur shop for my first side by side so look forward to seen you
Would love to see you do a review on the Stoeger Uplander/Longfowler sxs
I'm 22, been a sgc holder since 13, I started to shoot with silver sabel in 20g and when I moved up to 12g I was shooting a Davidson sxs, John macnab highlander, 1871 William Rochester Pape and a franchi affinity 1. I have always regretted selling my silver sabel and when I was buying cartridges yesterday, I seen a 12g silver sabel deluxe for sale. Immediately picked it up and felt at home with it. Its now in my cabinet! I will always use sxs, I shoot better with them and prefer the look of them. So much so that I will soon be parting with the macnab highlander
On a technical level, there is no question that an Over and Under is more effective for the everyday shooter. However. I shoot with both but I always enjoy a Side by Side far more for several reasons. Firstly, it is far more elegant and Gentlemanly, and if I don't kill quite so many birds then the relatively small difference in score is a small sacrifice for shooting with some style and grace with a wonderful piece of craftsmanship and sense of history, rather than with an intent of cold industrial slaughter. In my experience those in the gun-line who only think about kill ratios are not the sort of people you would want as friends (and they nearly always drive flash cars and seem very insecure) I mean, if you just want to kill then what does that say about you?
Feeling a lot of people got the wrong impression of this video - pro- side by side revival video is a must
You are a brave man fair comments
I’m old school side x side for me
I can shoot equally I find no advantages or disadvantages. Thanks for sharing 👍👌🦆
I like the triple barreled :D
I hope you're talking about a European-made Drilling, because Chiappa's "Triple Threat" is an overweight, awkward POS... It feels like a fencepost and weighs more than a fully loaded "tacticool" pump gun with extended mag tube and half a dozen ridiculous add-ons hanging from the forend!
Look up Lancaster Quad Barrel
Love the Chiappa!
@@Goatboysminion Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder... I find them overweight, unbalanced, and ugly.
from Canada :
screw you air-heads ...
I was invited to a great manor house ... outside London;
To ostensibly purchase a 'new-old' triple barrel ..
[ and it was all 20g .... Not a drilling ]
- and 150,000$ [CAN]
Similarly ....
I was strong enough to lift and point a 4-bore Double ......
Now this was 'Sporting'
I collect side by sides and have one over and under. My first gun a year ago was a Thomas Bland all original from around 1925 for £600. Picked up a Cogswell & Harrison from 1906, again all original, with original makers box for £360. Don’t get me wrong I like taking the over and under out as my old man purchased it new about 3 months before he passed away last year. But there’s just something satisfying about hitting things with a gun over 100 years old. It never fails to amuse me when people look over my cheap side by sides
Inexpensive but not "cheap".
My grandad taught me to shoot with a side by side from a moving sidecar on his motorcycle when I was about 12 or 13.
I got a lamber over and under and shot with it for about 3 months. In this time i began to hate it and walked into my gun shop and there was my H. Clarke & Sons S x S. Ive been shooting it for about a year, and while it has a full bore choke (aka no choke at all) i still can make those occasional 40-50 yarders, and i love every second i’m holding it. I don’t think i’ll ever get rid of it!!
I must be the exception to the rule then...got an O/U (double trigger) and a Semi in the cabinet, next purchase will definitely be a sxs...why the heck not? They're just prettier!
They are very light if you are rough shooting over hilly ground where the going is hard. Every ounce counts if you are carrying a gun for hours.
Nothings prettier than an Auto 5
bosstube are you married to your auto 5? And its a spud ugly gun
@@johnm3907 no but I've yet to find a woman that can match her looks
That declining demand has forced prices to lower on double barrel side by sides for product lines to stay sales competitive. I took advantage of that, and in doing so, I have had very good experiences with the Churchill Akkar 500 series, long barrel, wood stock, side by sides. They are beautiful, simple, and affordable machines, and I love the tradition associated with them. The build quality is fantastic, but it is hard to teach people to use them, because, like you said, they have an unconventional sight picture. They are viewed as an interesting yet almost decorative antiquity by most people at the range, even though they aren't old guns. They perform perfectly and reliably for harvesting game, and have fed me well for many nights, but I feel that in time, they may be something left only to rich firearms collectors and museums. Thanks for the video~
This video did exactly the opposite of what it was supposed to
My question is, what is the standard length of the double and single barrel shot gun. What is normal or proximate yards to hit a target with 'BB' AA SSG SG SLOG shot gun Cartridges from any manufacturer.
Totally disagree, side by sides are making a comeback!
like the fountain pen or film photography
@@abdullahal-shimri3091 Some of us still write with fountain pens also thanks.
@@abdullahal-shimri3091 lol 👍
I just bought one. CZ Bobwhite, 28 ga.
My father in law owns a late 1800's side by side coach gun(I call it that because his Grandfather work the stagecoaches for Wells Fargo in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA.)
As far as I know it has not been fired since the 1940's. He has other shotguns and just has the Side by side as a historic piece.
The best posotive of the side by side is that it looks awesome
Which is EXACTLY why I have bought two, old, beautifully crafted side by sides.
An enormous return in beauty and hand-made, old school, gunsmithing craftsmanship for a very reasonable price.
Oh...and I also have a run-of-the-mill, CNC machined, production line over/under for actual competition.
Oddly I own Both types, and my scores are virtually identical, Remember you don,t `LOOK` at the barrels its 80% out there and 20%-ish. . barrels You point a shotgun not `aim` hence good fit and eyes (?) Fashion has caused this trend. I also shoot Auto`s Seemples to shoot, and don,t knock you about. . its horses for courses . , go and try BOTH (3)!!
Sofalugger. Totally agree mate. Its all about fit. Nothing else.
Spot On..Just shot 25 Str8 @ wi 40+yr owd B25. .(Adjst stock) Seemples. . . .
@@sofalugger well done👏👏👏
My double barrel is the first gun I've ever bought and I'm really happy with it. Its never once jammed on me, had a problem, and I can use 9mm adaptors to practice target shooting in a normal range. I also love the ability to turn on safety since I need to be able to sling it over my shoulder and walk around while hunting. Most shotguns don't have a safety you need to have the shell unchambered.
I've never seen a shotgun without a safety and I've been around for a while. Long ago some pigeon ring guns were built without them.
My guy where do you find a shotgun for hunting without safety?
I prefer the satisfaction of get from hitting something with my side by side than I can ever get from my over under browning
Plz give review over turky made mavoric shotgun mising and sometimes double fire problem. Thanx
Agree with all points here. However, I’d add another reason I didn’t consider a SxS as my first gun - the only ones that were available were much older and much more likely to require work on them. The second-hand OU was only a few years old and much less likely to cost me money in repairs in the next few years. It was a similar attitude to buying my first car - I had an average budget, would have considered anything, but the running costs were a big factor! I would love to try a newish Parallelo and would definitely still consider buying a SxS
"People don't learn to shoot walking the hedge rows with their Father, Uncle etc" paraphrased, but that pretty sums up more problems than this video could possibly cover.
Very true 😞
30-40 quid for a side by side? dayummmmmmm they go for so much more here in the US than our pump or semis are even on par with over and under price wise.
I have a 20 gauge Charles Daly SxS that I purchased some 20 odd years ago and shot less than 50 rounds through it. I would shoot it more but the action is so stiff it’s a bother to shoot. Other than another 1,000 rounds what can be done?
As an American, both over/under and side by sides are no longer popular, it's all about semi-autos
RogueSquadronWeapons sucks considering the reliability comparison. I hope the oxu's and sxs's come back around for that reason.
RogueSquadronWeapons as your fellow yank I would say that has a lot to do with game populations and publicly available hunting. Given a limit of 8 partridge, 4 grouse, 3 pheasant, and 15 doves, 7 ducks, 4 dark geese, and 7 snow geese, and a very good chance of bagging much of this on the same day or two, semis make sense. Having a 3rd, 4th, 5th, and sometimes 6th round on board is nice when quail or partridge provide a loose flush. They also ease the recoil of heavy 3" and 3 1/2" duck and goose loads, or an active day in a dove stand or at the trap club.
I like my doubles, but my self shuckers and trombones get more play.
Anti Federal there was a time when the LAPD used Stevens SxSs for serving high risk warrants. #4 in the first barrel, and #4 Buck in the other. Something about doubles being appropriate for dangerous game, be it beast or man.
...and yet now we see semi-autos in the same roll, with lives at stake, in spite of the fact that shotguns tend to settle the matter with just a round or two.
I can only surmise they have improved.
Would I be afraid to use a double barrel for that purpose? I have, and no (though no shots were fired). Would I be afraid of a well maintained self loader? Also no.
@@jacobmccandles1767 well you see, my comment was supposed to poke at bongistanis about not being able to own semi auto shotguns, or at least without tight control.
RogueSquadronWeapons i confess I had temporarily forgotten about that.
Indeed, the biggest reason for those of us on the left side of the pond is: because we can.
I have shot O/Us since I started shooting 30 years ago. Current main gun is a Superposed I recently picked up a Merkel sbs and I'm finding that it fits well and it shoots as well as my O/Us on our club sporting ground. Putting a recoil pad has helped with recoil, with factory loads, and also fits me better now. I usually hand load 7/8 oz and it's a pussycat with these loads and the clays still break. Paid about 175 stl which is crazy as a new merkel is about 1500 over here.
I'm not gonna lie I want to own a SxS so that I can pair it with my snub-nosed .357
This pheasant hunter has enjoyed hunting in Nebraska and Kansas many times and side by sides are always the choice to harvest the beautiful birds while enjoying being with good friends and dogs!
A day in the field with a truly superb double at a bargain price is certainly worth the cost of bismuth.
Would love to see some of those old SxS’s available in the US. My dad has a German 16 gauge and I just bought my first 12 gauge. I love them….
From what I'm seeing here in the 'colonies' (America) is that SXS's are getting a BIT more prevalent. Certainly, O/U are more numerous. Automatics are becoming the default shotgun.
Semi-auto.
Auto 5s for life
OMG. John you're killing me. I found an AyA No.1 that looks to be in very nice condition for under half of cost new.. I was considering it. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe for the better. I can spend the money on more shells and a few hunting trips. Thanks for your honest take on the subject.
find a decent #2 for 700-1200 if you can, great solid guns and heavy enough to use all day but still feel nice to use and also usually have 2 3/4 chambers if you feel that's relevant for you
@@elemental4rce Sadly that may be a tall order in that price range here in the USA. AyA doesn't seem to be as available and prices on gunbroker are a bit above that range. I will keep my eyes open. Thanks for recommendation.
@@danhill6333 didn't realise you were in the U.S! I think a lot of expensive English guns go to America collectors now but I don't know what the average market for sbs are like in America. Hope you find something :)
@@elemental4rce SxS are definitely a niche market in the US. It's the same here as Johnny describes in England. Originally the only reason I both a SxS was to shoot two vintagers matches a year. But as I've been watching more videos like The Gun Shop and others I'm getting more interested in SxS especially nicer ones that are within my budget.
I think the next big thing will be semi auto's. My brother as been saying it for ages. It won't be long before you see them on game shoots. There design allows more tech to reduce recoil ect.
Semi autos, mostly have been banned.
I have learned on all types of flat shooting sxs o/u pump or semi great video ,
most people go with their first gun type.
Still the best looking guns though.
I'm definitely in the 'want a side by side in the cabinet just because' category. I'm looking at traditional English make, even hammer lock (for that classic look) so what should I be looking at ?
I just searched sxs on Guntrader an looked at everything that I liked the look of......if you're having it 'just because' then I think aesthetics are important. I ended up with the final choice being on engraving!....even though it was between a 12G and a 20G.
I bought an 1875 Powell btw, sepentine hammers and a rotary underlever release.
Well they have no appreciation for the classics
I learnt on a SxS and love them. Still have my first one.
I shoot sxs and an in the market for a sensible £400 job so let me know next time you’re throwing one out👍🏻🇬🇧
I want a side by side in 12/89 and normal weight 6/8 lbs.. i like 2 triggers and ejector.. any suggestions? thank you
Why side by side? Because Doom.
Iv been shooting sxs since a very young age, and have only ever used a o/u once on a guest day I didn't know I was shooting on. Even though I would love to buy one, I keep picking up my old Holloway and naughton because it works and looks so damb sexy.
Good video - I think it is horses for courses. I have a big heavy Nikko O/U trap gun with which I can shoot clays for hours without recoil fatigue but it's a couple of pounds heavier than my Webley & Scott 700 sxs, hence the latter is harder on the shoulder but easier to carry. Both shoot equally accurately when I do my part, but neither are as accurate as my two Browning Auto5s. The reality is that the semi-autos are a superior design to either design of double barrel gun because they have a single barrel, with no parallax between shots.
Finally someone who nows something about guns... The rest all kids , probably they never shot a gun
@@joaolitos You really are a dick
I have both SBS and O/U and shoot clays with both - they are very different but both very special to shoot. Great opinion piece.
I'll keep my Coach Gun.
I'm very fortunate because on the shooting etate that I live on nearly the whole team of guns are side-by-side and it's really a splendid site to watch and shoot with
I took your advice and bought a Baikal side by side IJ58 not a bad gun
I have a 50 year old Baikal 16 gauge hammer gun that is as tight as the day I bought it new.
Lilac Tortoise well that’s your opinion and your entitled to it
Can someone explain why you wouldn't be allowed a semi auto hunting pheasants? (Canadian/ American)
I only ever use a Semi or a Pump gun on Game / Pigeon shoots, or in the Field
Shot many years with an over under, never touching one again. They are in no comparison to pumps or semiautos.
@@oltsah7629 try an Auto 5 handles and points kinda like a mix of both
What kind of shot gun cartridges should be used to hunt buffalo or dear.
I much prefer a sxs for practical reasons. They're more comfortable to carry broken over your arm, the cartridges don't fall out or partially fall out like in the top barrel of an OU, so when you go to close the gun to take a shot the gun won't close. They're easier to load too. The double trigger and auto safe are great features that take only a few moments of practice to become second nature to use, oh yeah, and they look much better too! I've a perfectly good beretta that sits in the cabinet unused and a semi auto with even more dust on it. If is shoot less accurately with a sxs than an ou it's by such a small percentage that it's unrecognisable in the field, maybe if you were keeping score clay shooting it would be there, but that's of little interest to me. Everything about an sxs is more pleasurable to use, in my eyes.
I have a very hard time seeing any of your points I must admit.
More comfortable is a matter of habit, you hold a over and under a bit different, sxs tend to be a bit lighter weight so that may make a difference.
I have no idea how you manage to have cartridges fall out.
If the gun won't close you have a defective gun.
Loading is a pure matter of practice on the different systems, I have seen as many students have problems with a sxs as an over and under. Personally I can use all systems and have thousands of rounds of training in both O/U and sxs.
Auto safe is standard on any over and under game gun, what you describe are clay guns and if you prefer there are over and under guns with double triggers like there are sxs guns with single triggers. Managing the safety is to be automatic when you raise and lover the gun from shooting position meaning in an optimal world you would never use the automatic safety on either a O/U or a sxs.
Looks are purely a matter of personal taste so no critique there ;)
Everyone are to use whatever they see fit them better and I do have students that from the start prefer sxs and all the better, but I have
@@ljp200 If you're rough shooting and have a broken but loaded OU then the cartridge in the top barrel of the OU can move so that it's not fully in the chamber, you then try to close the gun and the cartridge stops it from closing. If you don't rough shoot or shoot walked up you wouldn't have the issue, but I can't be the only one who's had that trouble with an OU?
@@timkelly633 Instant barrel selection on a double trigger gun is an advantage not to be overlooked as well mate. I love a traditional gun myself.
You don't own any gun
@@joaolitos ONLY 9.
Had I known side x side prices had dropped, I’d have gone shopping when on holiday in the UK. I will for sure in future trips.
I love my side by side I own a beautiful 16 bore very pretty slim gun. And I can hit anything I point at. I have semi autos too but always end up picking my s/s. Plus you can keep your over and unders horrible bulky lumps of wood.
I've just got an aya sxs to shoot in the field. Do I hit as much? Am I that bothered? Do I look f*****g awesome swinging a sxs? Yes i do! I love it.