This is an extremely informative archival footage and forum discussion carried out by a very well educated youth group of the 1950's. The statements made by these young men at that time are a very important depiction and insight into the beginnings of a very volatile situation and conflict which still persists in the Middle East to this day. Thank you so much for this gem.
I couldn't agree more, these discussions are quite informative and insightful. It hadn't been a decade since the situation had really erupted. Perhaps we'll see the end of this volatility
@@archivedreels9134 These same mutual discussions and amicable interactions exhibited by these youths are, without a doubt, the diplomatic and productive principles which the present leaders of these two nations should be emulating. Unless cooler heads prevail, this conflict will continue as it has for the past seven decades, and even worsen to a much serious matter which can potentially affect the entire world. We sincerely hope that this present Middle Eastern conflict soon comes to a definite end. Thank you again for this historic footage, as well as for your reply.
@@archivedreels9134 I should also note that this specific post World War 2 era was also a defining moment in U.S history with regard to legislation being passed by congress, a move which helped propel school integration to the very forefront of our sociopolitical fabric, thereby dismantling the racial divide that had lingered since the days of slavery. This is evidenced by the program moderator while referring her comments to one of the students in the forum. The program's tittle: "Question of Coexistence", is very fitting for the subject matter involved, as it undeniably encompasses this very conflict of U.S. racial discrimination as well. It is somewhat perplexing how this forum discussion about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict being debated by these students sounds as if it was taking place at this very moment.
@@TRI-STATE-JOURNAL It is a bit baffling how decades later these discussions resonate so much with what is happening today. It's also cool how its individuals from different countries, they provide "real" insight of what the landscape looked like then
@@TRI-STATE-JOURNAL We do hope it permanently ends but this might need a resolution as opposed to managing the conflict. With regards to sharing the footage, its a pleasure
actually he is stating falsehood. In 1920 the world powers bequeathed Arabs and Jews states. Arabs got what is today Syria and Iraq, the Jews got what is today Israel and Jordan. A mandate power was to transfer control to the Arabs and Jews respectively. However due to Arab violence the British partitioned the Mandate for Palestine and gave 70% to a foreign Arab warlord (Abdullah, because he was upset his brother was not made king of Syria) then this state (Trnas-Jordan) invaded Israel in 1948 and took the "West Bank" of Judean hills in the war. Egypt took the Gaza "strip." Did either of these counties give it to the "Palestinians? no. They fought to destroy Israel.
actually the thing he Egyptian kid said is hilarious. in 1955 or 1950 which ever the year was, the Egyptians were occupying Israeli territory (Gaza Strip) and denying the residents civil rights. These Arabs were going into Israel and committing its of terror (on my family in the Negev). It was Egypt that invaded. It was Arab propaganda which caused the refugee problem. And to end the war, Israel took Egyptian territory in the Sinai (encircling the Egyptian army in 1949) The British attacked Israel (air battle which Israeli pilots downed the British planes) and the UN, UN, UK, USSR all forced Israel to leave the Sinai, but would not demand Egypt leave the lost Israeli territory in the Gaza "strip." The same taped in 1956 (due to Egyptian act of war in the Red Sea) and again in 1967 which Israel took all of the Sinai and recovered Gaze for the third time. This time Israel was allowed to remain in the occupied territory of the Sinai till Egypt made peace with Israel. The 1948 border (all of Israel) was recognized by the Egyptians. They keep claiming the UN declared Israel s borders, this is not true. If it was, then they "UN declared" an Arab state which Egypt and Jordan were occupying, annexing, and from which they attacked Israel in 1967.
then he talks about Jerusalem, which was occupied by Jordan! and the Jews were not allowed to go to their sacred area to pray. This is hypocrisy (as for killing womens and childrens that was done by the Arabs on the Jews. People should be Abel to go back to their homes? Egypt was holding on the Gaza Strip, there are Jewish communities that the Egyptian army destroyed (massacred) and Gush Katif never fell in the 1948 war. What hypocrisy!
@@1czechit1 can we stop with the hypocrisy? Israel didn’t even exist at that moment to be pushed away. it’s neither the fault or the Palestinians fault if European countries did this to the jews. And if the Palestinians were committing genocide, jewish people wouldn’t even exist in order to create Israel in the first place. But today, we can clearly observe the fact that Israel is committing genocide towards the Palestinian people. Palestinians never did this to the Jewish people when Israel didn’t exist.
Why was Iceland and Norway there!? Some of the participants don’t quite make sense. As for the absence of Palestine/Palestinians - at the time of this footage, the territory of the former British Mandate of Palestine had been divided among three nations - Israel, Jordan, and Egypt (which ruled Gaza). Also, at this time, the conflict was seen as more “Arab vs Israel” than “Palestinians vs Israelis”, and so, presumably, the Palestinian point of view was represented by the leading Arab state of the time, Egypt
Interesting how the Israeli puts so much weight on the UN resolution, but today Israel is hostile to the UN and has broken more UN laws than any other country. The heart of the issue is that European Jewish immigrants came to Palestine and forced out the native Palestinians then set up a racist Jewish supermacist state. Thats called settler colonialism. Doesnt matter if the US and USSR supported it, its wrong because the native population oppose it. This wrong should now be corrected. Just as South African apartheid was dismantled, so should Israeli apartheid.
I like that the Israel student brought with him documents to show facts as they do till now and stays on track of the arguments although the lady kept disturbing him. Egypt has learned to deal with Israel after the 6-day war in 1967.
Boooo, fallacies everywhere, boooo. Dont mention that for 6 years after 67 hundreds of soldiers died on both sides in the war of attrition, then in October 6th 73 youm kippur war(one day) where Egypt restored most parts of Sinai and then Egypt went for peace talks as soon as gerald Ford arrived with the 6th fleet and the most destructive army in the world to the Mediterranean, then for 8 years negotiations to reclaim Sinai in exchange for peace and a Nobel prize. So Israel doesn't go to war alone you should know that by now, if it isn't for the West's atrocious support. Oh and considering 67, the arab countries have gained independence from there British colonizers 8 years earlier so I am pretty sure they had a VERY well trained and equipped armies prepared by their COLONIZERS . Booooo, read a book maybe Booooo.
@@guraminiroYou write as if the Arab world was won by the Arab world- it wasn't. The Arab world was afforded its Independance from tbe Ottomans and then the Europeans by the Europeans and America themselves- so don't make out Israel wouldn't exjst with out support of others- none of the Arab world would exist either. If your argument regards- who earned their position in the world through their own strengths in self defence or reciprocal allegiance rather than favoritism- your argument doesn't stack uo. As per usual your argument only considers one side in the conflict as if its conveniantly a binary one- ridiculous.
Just to notice that the Spanish accent in Spain depending on where you live can be similar to the Icelandic's girl, and I suspect the Greek accent too because we have this type of "s".
UN partion was an opinion resolution not a binding resolution. UN Charter called for the establishment of a Jewish State in the land of Israel (British Mandate for Palestine.) in article 22. In other words, UN binding resolutions against Israeli sovereignty in any part of the land of Israel is null and void as it breaches the UN Charter. @@kalatiso5541
Yes but the Arabs violated the U.N. resolution by attacking the new nation of Israel amd its citizens. Unfortunately if you are going to start a war you better make sure you are going to win. History proves that land is taken in war. The greater argument today is the oppression of the Arabs in the land. Compassion humility and love is the greater force that will lead to acceptance of both sides.
I was not replying to you. My comment was directed at the bigotry of the person attacking Israelis, not you. I don't know how you could think my reply was to you... I also "liked" your reply... so... ???
Its so sad how the kid from egypt just says plainly theres two type of people. One who wants to defend there land and protect their people by force and the other that wants to forget all the illegal occupation and live .
well lets see...Treaty of Sevres, the Ottoman title was transferred to the Supreme War Council (article 132) to reconstitute the Jewish state (article 95) which made the Balfour Declaration international law. League of Nations Covenant article 22 - British Mandate for Palestine was to establish a Jewish state and transfer control from the Ottoman Empire to the Jews world wide (San Remo Conference April 25 1920). UN Charter article 22 inherited the decisions of the League of Nations Mandatory obligations. May 14 1948 the Jews declare a state inheriting the borders of the British Mandate for Palestine as they were Midnight May 14 1948, this principle is called the Uti Possidetis Juris. Now, what in all of this did I get wrong? @@MinkytheMinkY
My gosh even then people were incredibly ignorant. The Jewish state's borders were established in 1920 by the San Remo Conference (today's Israel and Jordan borders) In 1922 the British violated the Mandate article 1, 5, and 6 partitioning the land and giving Arabs 70% in addition to Syria and Iraq. Then in 1947 the UN (against charter article 22) has a scheme to portion the land (in a non-binding vote which was meaningless anyway) ignore when Arab armies invaded in 1948 and occupy Israeli territories of Judea and Samaria by Jordan and Gaza Strip by Egypt. How is it Israeli territories? the Principle is called Uti Possidetis Juris. Israel recovered part of the lost territories in 1967.
Sure😂😂😂😂😂😂 nice try Z y0nist...your bla bla contains some bs historical inaccuracies and incorrect use of terminology, such as stating that "the Jewish state's borders were established in 1920 by the San Remo Conference." 😂😂In fact, the San Remo Conference of 1920 established the British Mandate for Palestine, which laid the groundwork for the eventual establishment of a national "home" for the Euro settlers in Palestine. Additionally, you stated incorrectly that the UN resolution in 1947 was against Charter Article 22. There was no specific violation of Article 22, as the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 (the Partition Plan) was a recommendation and not binding under international law. Furthermore, your reference to Israeli territories of Judea and Samaria and the Gaza Strip, these areas were not recognized as Israeli territories until much later (after the Six-Day War in 1967). Overall, you need to see a doctor since your bla bla is quite "complex" Next time try to speak more clearer and try to give a more accurate explanation of the historical events, this would not only be beneficial for you. So again, nice try.
Lol. Wow.. lots of bla bla in support of historical inaccuracies and incorrect use of terminology, such as stating that "the J * w ısh state's borders were established in 1920 by the San Remo Conference." 😂 In fact, the San Remo Conference of 1920 established the British Mandate for P4le* stine, which laid unfortunately the groundwork for an (eventual) establishment of a national "home"(land grib)for the European immigrants in P4l * stine. Additionally, you stated incorrectly that the UN resolution in 1947 was against Charter Article 22. There was no specific violation of Article 22, as the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 (the Partition Plan) was a recommendation and not binding under international law. Furthermore, this reference to Isr*? li territories of J udea and S4m* aria and the G4za Strip, fyi these areas were not and NEVER recognized as Isr 4 eli territories until much later (after the Six-Day W @r in 1967). Overall, next try try to use facts. Try to educate yourself about historical events. This would not only be beneficial for you.
You have obviously not read the minutes of the meeting. Not only were borders discussed but a map was presented specifically for the Jewish state. Palestine was also defined as the kingdom of David and Solomon, and included the trans-Jordan.. UN partition scheme was a nonbinding recommendation. It breached the charter since it gave the Arabs land from the Mandate to establish a Jewish state twice, first its win 1922, second time in 1947 and the UN took Jerusalem/Bethlehm for itself for a period. this is in violation of article 5 of the Mandate (which is article 22.) Also the recommendation gave the Arab "part" to the Trans-Jordan as a federation. So while it was non-binding, the nonbidning part was against the UN Charter article 22, and mandate article 5 specifically. Judea, Samaria and Gaza were Israeli territories by the Uti Possidetis Juris principle, without that you have Uti Possidetis facto which would still make it Israeli territory. They were illegally occupied by Egypt and Jordan. Not only that but Israel was forced to cede part of the captured Sinai in 1949 and again in 1957 in addition to Gaza. This and other interference has led to the war in 1967. The Arabs thought they can conduct wars and never lose land on the one hand while continue to occupy Israeli territory. @@MariaNI-yf1bz
Again, the British Mandate for Palestine was the reconstitution of the lost kingdom of David and Solomon. San Remo Conference minutes presented the map for this kingdom when the French pushed back on the meaning of "from Dan to Beersheba" a biblical reference to the borders of ancient Israel, what the British called Palestine. Please read the minutes, it also established Syria and Iraq. A mandate was a temporary trusteeship and not a soverign entity. The beneficiaries were Jews worldwide. The claim that it was European Jews is simply ahistorical. The defense that the 1947 partition was only a recommendation is still a breach of the UN Charter (article 22) because it breached article 5 of the Mandate which was international law. Judea Samaria and Gaza were Israeli territories by the Uti Possidetis Juris principle. They were illegally occupied by Egypt and Jordan in belligerent occupation, taking in an unprovoked war of aggression in 1948. If this is legitimized (and it was by UK and Pakistan, and sort of by post 1967 UN members) that means the land belongs to Israel by the Uti Possidetis Facto principle. Either way, it is Israeli territory unless there in an "international" law only for Israel and an international law for the rest of the world which just happenes to not include Arabs. so again, go learn history and real international law and get back to me. @@MariaNI-yf1bz
@@1czechit1 I haven't read those minutes, but I have read every single white paper and the debate in the Lords, lots of actual history and context is buried. Thanks for the tip.
@@grcfrank both actually. A person or a group wanting to govern and rule a nation would certainly segregate themselves from their neighbour by the use of religion.
@@speaktruth9313 all Jews are welcome to live in Palestine. Were all Christian’s Jews Muslim live together in peace. Not an Apartheid occupation state since 1948 up to date.
Why don't they show map properly with the name of Palastine as a sovereign country. This land was conquered 1400 years ago by the Muslims with peace by the Caliphate Omar r.a. U.N. had no rights in the middle east.
They evidently don't teach history where you're from. The Ottoman caliphate lost WWI which passed its possessions to the British allies. The British got sick of trying to impose order on the violent population and gave it to the UN instead. The downfall of the Ottoman caliphate brought paved the way for the modern country of Turkey and an end to centuries of oppression in Southeast Europe. There never was a sovereign state called Palestine. It was a region, like "Sahara," and the local Arabs considered themselves "Southern Syria." Caliphate was all about glory and violently subjugating dhimmis and kufars. It has had nothing to do with decent government for a millennium if not longer. Even the rulers of Mecca and Medina don't need to have a theocratic imperial caliphate.
@jaialaiwarrior why has every state of the British been given back to the rightful owners since it was occupied. Palastine still holds the key to AlAqsa. All the occupations were illegal. By law, no occupiers have rights over the people they are occupier, and the ruling of that state should be done with law and order. Israel abused its rules.
They don’t mention the 700,000 Jewish refugees from the surrounding Arab states who in part found refuge in Israel. The Arabs lost the war even with a bigger army, and territory. The war displaced the Arabs unfortunate for them. But thats how it works.
Jewish people live in fear. They're always talking about going underground to run to the safety room. It sounds like each house has a safety room to go too, just to feel safe. Pelistienies Arab nations live freely in the continent of Africa states such as Egypt 🇪🇬 Morocco 🇪🇬 Morocco 🇪🇬 lybera Libya 🇱🇾 South-Africa. Pelistienies nation also have thier own country called Lebanon 🇱🇧 is located just south of Isreal.
@@jocelyngardner5711nope. Just Egyptian=Mediterranean. There is no reason to be "dark brown" in the Mediterranean region. Its Egypt not near the equator.
I appreciate their politeness in a heated discussion. That's rare today.
I know its just the propaganda the one boy grew up with, but the propensity of his tribe to lie is rather extreme.
This is an extremely informative archival footage and forum discussion carried out by a very well educated youth group of the 1950's. The statements made by these young men at that time are a very important depiction and insight into the beginnings of a very volatile situation and conflict which still persists in the Middle East to this day. Thank you so much for this gem.
I couldn't agree more, these discussions are quite informative and insightful. It hadn't been a decade since the situation had really erupted. Perhaps we'll see the end of this volatility
@@archivedreels9134 These same mutual discussions and amicable interactions exhibited by these youths are, without a doubt, the diplomatic and productive principles which the present leaders of these two nations should be emulating. Unless cooler heads prevail, this conflict will continue as it has for the past seven decades, and even worsen to a much serious matter which can potentially affect the entire world. We sincerely hope that this present Middle Eastern conflict soon comes to a definite end. Thank you again for this historic footage, as well as for your reply.
@@archivedreels9134 I should also note that this specific post World War 2 era was also a defining moment in U.S history with regard to legislation being passed by congress, a move which helped propel school integration to the very forefront of our sociopolitical fabric, thereby dismantling the racial divide that had lingered since the days of slavery. This is evidenced by the program moderator while referring her comments to one of the students in the forum. The program's tittle: "Question of Coexistence", is very fitting for the subject matter involved, as it undeniably encompasses this very conflict of U.S. racial discrimination as well. It is somewhat perplexing how this forum discussion about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict being debated by these students sounds as if it was taking place at this very moment.
@@TRI-STATE-JOURNAL It is a bit baffling how decades later these discussions resonate so much with what is happening today.
It's also cool how its individuals from different countries, they provide "real" insight of what the landscape looked like then
@@TRI-STATE-JOURNAL We do hope it permanently ends but this might need a resolution as opposed to managing the conflict. With regards to sharing the footage, its a pleasure
The Egyptian student is killing it. So calm and well thought.
actually he is stating falsehood. In 1920 the world powers bequeathed Arabs and Jews states. Arabs got what is today Syria and Iraq, the Jews got what is today Israel and Jordan. A mandate power was to transfer control to the Arabs and Jews respectively. However due to Arab violence the British partitioned the Mandate for Palestine and gave 70% to a foreign Arab warlord (Abdullah, because he was upset his brother was not made king of Syria) then this state (Trnas-Jordan) invaded Israel in 1948 and took the "West Bank" of Judean hills in the war. Egypt took the Gaza "strip." Did either of these counties give it to the "Palestinians? no. They fought to destroy Israel.
actually the thing he Egyptian kid said is hilarious. in 1955 or 1950 which ever the year was, the Egyptians were occupying Israeli territory (Gaza Strip) and denying the residents civil rights. These Arabs were going into Israel and committing its of terror (on my family in the Negev). It was Egypt that invaded. It was Arab propaganda which caused the refugee problem. And to end the war, Israel took Egyptian territory in the Sinai (encircling the Egyptian army in 1949) The British attacked Israel (air battle which Israeli pilots downed the British planes) and the UN, UN, UK, USSR all forced Israel to leave the Sinai, but would not demand Egypt leave the lost Israeli territory in the Gaza "strip." The same taped in 1956 (due to Egyptian act of war in the Red Sea) and again in 1967 which Israel took all of the Sinai and recovered Gaze for the third time. This time Israel was allowed to remain in the occupied territory of the Sinai till Egypt made peace with Israel. The 1948 border (all of Israel) was recognized by the Egyptians. They keep claiming the UN declared Israel
s borders, this is not true. If it was, then they "UN declared" an Arab state which Egypt and Jordan were occupying, annexing, and from which they attacked Israel in 1967.
then he talks about Jerusalem, which was occupied by Jordan! and the Jews were not allowed to go to their sacred area to pray. This is hypocrisy (as for killing womens and childrens that was done by the Arabs on the Jews. People should be Abel to go back to their homes? Egypt was holding on the Gaza Strip, there are Jewish communities that the Egyptian army destroyed (massacred) and Gush Katif never fell in the 1948 war. What hypocrisy!
@@1czechit1 can we stop with the hypocrisy? Israel didn’t even exist at that moment to be pushed away. it’s neither the fault or the Palestinians fault if European countries did this to the jews. And if the Palestinians were committing genocide, jewish people wouldn’t even exist in order to create Israel in the first place.
But today, we can clearly observe the fact that Israel is committing genocide towards the Palestinian people. Palestinians never did this to the Jewish people when Israel didn’t exist.
@@1czechit1go read an actually factual book for once.
As always egyptians 🇪🇬 supporting Palestine. Love them ❤
Did I hear that right? Egyptian women got the right to vote right after the British left?
Yep
Why does this surprise you? Women's suffrage is a largely 20th century phenomenon.
Amazing series of videos. Thank you!!!
Any information about them today please
Why weren't Palestinians invited?
Why was Iceland and Norway there!? Some of the participants don’t quite make sense.
As for the absence of Palestine/Palestinians - at the time of this footage, the territory of the former British Mandate of Palestine had been divided among three nations - Israel, Jordan, and Egypt (which ruled Gaza). Also, at this time, the conflict was seen as more “Arab vs Israel” than “Palestinians vs Israelis”, and so, presumably, the Palestinian point of view was represented by the leading Arab state of the time, Egypt
Egypt is speaking or palestine
@@benjaminr6153Okay thanks for explaining.
Palestinians were not invented till 1964 by Egypt.
@@1czechit1 ha ha ha. U are listening to propaganda bud. Open a Bible from 1920 .it clearly says palestine.
Interesting how the Israeli puts so much weight on the UN resolution, but today Israel is hostile to the UN and has broken more UN laws than any other country.
The heart of the issue is that European Jewish immigrants came to Palestine and forced out the native Palestinians then set up a racist Jewish supermacist state. Thats called settler colonialism. Doesnt matter if the US and USSR supported it, its wrong because the native population oppose it. This wrong should now be corrected. Just as South African apartheid was dismantled, so should Israeli apartheid.
I like that the Israel student brought with him documents to show facts as they do till now and stays on track of the arguments although the lady kept disturbing him. Egypt has learned to deal with Israel after the 6-day war in 1967.
True. They realised they can not win over Israel. If anything, they may just loose their capital next time
Boooo, fallacies everywhere, boooo.
Dont mention that for 6 years after 67 hundreds of soldiers died on both sides in the war of attrition, then in October 6th 73 youm kippur war(one day) where Egypt restored most parts of Sinai and then Egypt went for peace talks as soon as gerald Ford arrived with the 6th fleet and the most destructive army in the world to the Mediterranean, then for 8 years negotiations to reclaim Sinai in exchange for peace and a Nobel prize.
So Israel doesn't go to war alone you should know that by now, if it isn't for the West's atrocious support.
Oh and considering 67, the arab countries have gained independence from there British colonizers 8 years earlier so I am pretty sure they had a VERY well trained and equipped armies prepared by their COLONIZERS .
Booooo, read a book maybe Booooo.
@@guraminiro trash of a comment.
@@Napolean46 shhhhh, go read a book, and stop talking until then.
@@guraminiroYou write as if the Arab world was won by the Arab world- it wasn't. The Arab world was afforded its Independance from tbe Ottomans and then the Europeans by the Europeans and America themselves- so don't make out Israel wouldn't exjst with out support of others- none of the Arab world would exist either.
If your argument regards- who earned their position in the world through their own strengths in self defence or reciprocal allegiance rather than favoritism- your argument doesn't stack uo.
As per usual your argument only considers one side in the conflict as if its conveniantly a binary one- ridiculous.
Just to notice that the Spanish accent in Spain depending on where you live can be similar to the Icelandic's girl, and I suspect the Greek accent too because we have this type of "s".
the "retracted s" yeah
I love the norway dude just telling the kid from isreal that hes breaking the boundaries set even by the un.
Egypt attacked Israel not the other way around
You really think Egypt did not invade Israel in 1948? Really? @@LoyalOpposition
Its funny arabs demand Israel to follow the UN, but when the UN partitions land they decide to attack that same land. Argument goes both ways
UN partion was an opinion resolution not a binding resolution. UN Charter called for the establishment of a Jewish State in the land of Israel (British Mandate for Palestine.) in article 22. In other words, UN binding resolutions against Israeli sovereignty in any part of the land of Israel is null and void as it breaches the UN Charter. @@kalatiso5541
Yes but the Arabs violated the U.N. resolution by attacking the new nation of Israel amd its citizens. Unfortunately if you are going to start a war you better make sure you are going to win. History proves that land is taken in war. The greater argument today is the oppression of the Arabs in the land. Compassion humility and love is the greater force that will lead to acceptance of both sides.
"We didn't invade, in the process of pushing them back, we really increased our area!"
Well, that makes perfect sense there, doesn't it?
The Isreali chauvanism has always been there, 'my country is small, but very important'.
You hate Jews
Does the fixation by people like you on Israel not prove its importance?
I was not replying to you. My comment was directed at the bigotry of the person attacking Israelis, not you.
I don't know how you could think my reply was to you... I also "liked" your reply... so... ???
The Egyptian kid & the Norwegian kid are 💎
Islamo-leftism
Why are they sitting on the floor ?
They couldn't co-decide on a chairman .
Its so sad how the kid from egypt just says plainly theres two type of people. One who wants to defend there land and protect their people by force and the other that wants to forget all the illegal occupation and live .
Considering Egypt was occupying Israeli territory
@1czechit1 there never was isreali territory.
well lets see...Treaty of Sevres, the Ottoman title was transferred to the Supreme War Council (article 132) to reconstitute the Jewish state (article 95) which made the Balfour Declaration international law. League of Nations Covenant article 22 - British Mandate for Palestine was to establish a Jewish state and transfer control from the Ottoman Empire to the Jews world wide (San Remo Conference April 25 1920). UN Charter article 22 inherited the decisions of the League of Nations Mandatory obligations. May 14 1948 the Jews declare a state inheriting the borders of the British Mandate for Palestine as they were Midnight May 14 1948, this principle is called the Uti Possidetis Juris. Now, what in all of this did I get wrong? @@MinkytheMinkY
@@MinkytheMinkYyou are lacking history info..
My gosh even then people were incredibly ignorant. The Jewish state's borders were established in 1920 by the San Remo Conference (today's Israel and Jordan borders) In 1922 the British violated the Mandate article 1, 5, and 6 partitioning the land and giving Arabs 70% in addition to Syria and Iraq. Then in 1947 the UN (against charter article 22) has a scheme to portion the land (in a non-binding vote which was meaningless anyway) ignore when Arab armies invaded in 1948 and occupy Israeli territories of Judea and Samaria by Jordan and Gaza Strip by Egypt. How is it Israeli territories? the Principle is called Uti Possidetis Juris. Israel recovered part of the lost territories in 1967.
Sure😂😂😂😂😂😂 nice try Z y0nist...your bla bla contains some bs historical inaccuracies and incorrect use of terminology, such as stating that "the Jewish state's borders were established in 1920 by the San Remo Conference." 😂😂In fact, the San Remo Conference of 1920 established the British Mandate for Palestine, which laid the groundwork for the eventual establishment of a national "home" for the Euro settlers in Palestine.
Additionally, you stated incorrectly that the UN resolution in 1947 was against Charter Article 22. There was no specific violation of Article 22, as the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 (the Partition Plan) was a recommendation and not binding under international law.
Furthermore, your reference to Israeli territories of Judea and Samaria and the Gaza Strip, these areas were not recognized as Israeli territories until much later (after the Six-Day War in 1967).
Overall, you need to see a doctor since your bla bla is quite "complex" Next time try to speak more clearer and try to give a more accurate explanation of the historical events, this would not only be beneficial for you. So again, nice try.
Lol. Wow.. lots of bla bla in support of historical inaccuracies and incorrect use of terminology, such as stating that "the J * w ısh state's borders were established in 1920 by the San Remo Conference." 😂 In fact, the San Remo Conference of 1920 established the British Mandate for P4le* stine, which laid unfortunately the groundwork for an (eventual) establishment of a national "home"(land grib)for the European immigrants in P4l * stine.
Additionally, you stated incorrectly that the UN resolution in 1947 was against Charter Article 22. There was no specific violation of Article 22, as the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 (the Partition Plan) was a recommendation and not binding under international law.
Furthermore, this reference to Isr*? li territories of J udea and S4m* aria and the G4za Strip, fyi these areas were not and NEVER recognized as Isr 4 eli territories until much later (after the Six-Day W @r in 1967).
Overall, next try try to use facts. Try to educate yourself about historical events. This would not only be beneficial for you.
You have obviously not read the minutes of the meeting. Not only were borders discussed but a map was presented specifically for the Jewish state. Palestine was also defined as the kingdom of David and Solomon, and included the trans-Jordan.. UN partition scheme was a nonbinding recommendation. It breached the charter since it gave the Arabs land from the Mandate to establish a Jewish state twice, first its win 1922, second time in 1947 and the UN took Jerusalem/Bethlehm for itself for a period. this is in violation of article 5 of the Mandate (which is article 22.) Also the recommendation gave the Arab "part" to the Trans-Jordan as a federation. So while it was non-binding, the nonbidning part was against the UN Charter article 22, and mandate article 5 specifically. Judea, Samaria and Gaza were Israeli territories by the Uti Possidetis Juris principle, without that you have Uti Possidetis facto which would still make it Israeli territory. They were illegally occupied by Egypt and Jordan. Not only that but Israel was forced to cede part of the captured Sinai in 1949 and again in 1957 in addition to Gaza. This and other interference has led to the war in 1967. The Arabs thought they can conduct wars and never lose land on the one hand while continue to occupy Israeli territory. @@MariaNI-yf1bz
Again, the British Mandate for Palestine was the reconstitution of the lost kingdom of David and Solomon. San Remo Conference minutes presented the map for this kingdom when the French pushed back on the meaning of "from Dan to Beersheba" a biblical reference to the borders of ancient Israel, what the British called Palestine. Please read the minutes, it also established Syria and Iraq. A mandate was a temporary trusteeship and not a soverign entity. The beneficiaries were Jews worldwide. The claim that it was European Jews is simply ahistorical. The defense that the 1947 partition was only a recommendation is still a breach of the UN Charter (article 22) because it breached article 5 of the Mandate which was international law. Judea Samaria and Gaza were Israeli territories by the Uti Possidetis Juris principle. They were illegally occupied by Egypt and Jordan in belligerent occupation, taking in an unprovoked war of aggression in 1948. If this is legitimized (and it was by UK and Pakistan, and sort of by post 1967 UN members) that means the land belongs to Israel by the Uti Possidetis Facto principle. Either way, it is Israeli territory unless there in an "international" law only for Israel and an international law for the rest of the world which just happenes to not include Arabs. so again, go learn history and real international law and get back to me. @@MariaNI-yf1bz
@@1czechit1 I haven't read those minutes, but I have read every single white paper and the debate in the Lords, lots of actual history and context is buried. Thanks for the tip.
where are Palestinians maan?
Conflict is between two neighbour countries.
But between Arab country and ashkNAZi slavic european.. that is occupation. Not a conflict.
You are a liar. 2/3 of Israeli Jews are Middle Eastern.
Girl from Iceland is beautiful
Its Gudrun, she is in her 80s now
The Israeli comes off as arrogant as usual.
For telling the truth?
Today’s problems at 1:45; if we share Rome…why can’t we share other parts of the world?
Right, co-existence is such a challenge now, and has been for the longest
@@archivedreels9134 the issue isn’t government, it has always been the practice of religion.
@@grcfrank both actually.
A person or a group wanting to govern and rule a nation would certainly segregate themselves from their neighbour by the use of religion.
@@powerhousebikki certantly the logical reason for a separation, religion is more of a justification or an excuse.
@@JerseyFrank True. We all have had instances of it.
The Egyptian kid is wrong, the Arabs invaded Israel on the same day they declared independence so there was no time for Israel to take 'extra land'
Thr real iissue here is religious belief that's why it's hard for them to co exist! Take out religion in their minds, sure they can be good neighbors!
Please God let me see a free Palestine from the river to the sea 🇵🇸
never gonna happen
You realize your statement is genocidal..right?..please respond..
@@speaktruth9313 Zionist did a genocide in Palestine, stolen the land kill the people the children stolen the culture and history.
@@speaktruth9313 I have Jews friends and they are against the occupation colonial entity which is called isreal
@@speaktruth9313 all Jews are welcome to live in Palestine. Were all Christian’s Jews Muslim live together in peace. Not an Apartheid occupation state since 1948 up to date.
Not a Fan at all of the one particular guy.....can anyone guess?
Why don't they show map properly with the name of Palastine as a sovereign country.
This land was conquered 1400 years ago by the Muslims with peace by the Caliphate Omar r.a.
U.N. had no rights in the middle east.
They evidently don't teach history where you're from. The Ottoman caliphate lost WWI which passed its possessions to the British allies. The British got sick of trying to impose order on the violent population and gave it to the UN instead. The downfall of the Ottoman caliphate brought paved the way for the modern country of Turkey and an end to centuries of oppression in Southeast Europe.
There never was a sovereign state called Palestine. It was a region, like "Sahara," and the local Arabs considered themselves "Southern Syria."
Caliphate was all about glory and violently subjugating dhimmis and kufars. It has had nothing to do with decent government for a millennium if not longer. Even the rulers of Mecca and Medina don't need to have a theocratic imperial caliphate.
@jaialaiwarrior why has every state of the British been given back to the rightful owners since it was occupied. Palastine still holds the key to AlAqsa.
All the occupations were illegal.
By law, no occupiers have rights over the people they are occupier, and the ruling of that state should be done with law and order. Israel abused its rules.
@davidmr2121 go check history about Baitul muqadus
This is not go well with the It all started on the 7th BS.
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myth
They don’t mention the 700,000 Jewish refugees from the surrounding Arab states who in part found refuge in Israel. The Arabs lost the war even with a bigger army, and territory. The war displaced the Arabs unfortunate for them. But thats how it works.
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Claiming non-Jews can claim Jerusalem because it feels 'important' to them is so absurd and colonialist. Jerusalem belongs to Israel alone.
Islamo-leftism
Jewish people live in fear. They're always talking about going underground to run to the safety room. It sounds like each house has a safety room to go too, just to feel safe.
Pelistienies Arab nations live freely in the continent of Africa states such as Egypt 🇪🇬 Morocco 🇪🇬 Morocco 🇪🇬 lybera Libya 🇱🇾 South-Africa. Pelistienies nation also have thier own country called Lebanon 🇱🇧 is located just south of Isreal.
The guy that says he's an Egyptian is proof that he is not a descendant of the ancient Egyptians known as Kemet
Ancient Egyptians were genetically almost same as modern egyptians, they weren't black.
@@heracles8311just Dark BROWN 🪶
of corse not sup saharan
Nice try raci st. Egyptians are still in place. No such thing as "Kmt" It was also known as DSHRT...now solve that one..ra cist.
@@jocelyngardner5711nope. Just Egyptian=Mediterranean. There is no reason to be "dark brown" in the Mediterranean region. Its Egypt not near the equator.
"palestine" was not a country back then nor is it a country now.
Your momma
am yisrael chai🇮🇱