Updated side IIHS ratings explained for small cars
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2022
- Joe Young, IIHS Media Relations Director, discusses the first round of updated side ratings for small cars with IIHS-HLDI president David Harkey.
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IIHS continues to push the bar higher and higher and their work has done wonders in auto safety. Been watching their videos since a young age as I am fascinated with cars. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for tuning in all these years, Ross!
I like a lot these tough tests. You do well, IIHS.
"tough" isnt the word id use, more like "realistic" considering the average north american vehicle is a 5000 pounds 4x4 F150.
@@AP-jl2lv this
@@AP-jl2lv True that these tests are realistic. But they are also tough on the cars, hence the ratings the cars get after being tested.
It's interesting that people thought the Subaru Outback did well simply because of the higher ride height vs other midsized cars in the category. It looks like that's not necessarily the case as the Crosstrek is higher than a typical compact car but did poorly in the new test.
And also the Mazda 3 is rated good in the updated test.
Wow. Mazdas score G again. Amazing performance by the CX-5. And now shocked by the Mazda 3s.
Yeah I agree, as a Mazda fan myself, but disappointed that CX-5 got poor at protecting rear passengers with updated overlap, despite only one getting good at updated side crash.
@@Kanazawa1997 was about to buy one until I saw your comment and checked it for truthfulness... you were right but there is no test for the 2023 model
@@dylanhughes5944 hopefully the 2023 model made adjustments
Original side test is a huge step forward in automotive safety. The updated test goes a step further than that. Surely if manufacturers improve the safety of their cars based on this new test, surely after being hit in the hip by an SUV at 38 mph, we all could walk away from the crash with nothing serve injury except scratches are the worst
December 22, 2022 10:15PM
Thank you guys for all the work you do!!
Impreza/Crosstrek is on the 17 model year global platform. Outback/legacy/ascent/Forester on the updated platform starting in 2020
With all these new heavy EV, with ridiculous amount of power, I am glad IIHS is making changes/updates to their crash tests.
Yay thank you
Absolutely loving the Torq Thrust wheels on the sled! Excellent way to shnazz it up!
Thank you for doing this work to pursue higher levels of safety. Please don't crash anymore Old Chevys. That was off putting. (ref to 1959 Chev vs newer Malibu some years ago)
You guys Rock
This new tests make sense considering everybody drives buses
Crosstrek is on an older platform that’s being phased out after the 2023 model year. Hopefully we’ll see improvements
I like how the crash rig uses American racing torque thrust as its wheels of choice
Glad IIHS did this new round of testing. This updated test was the #1 reason why we bought an Outback instead of a Crosstrek when we traded in our Impreza.
Hopefully the turbo … the base model is dangerous pulling out onto highway and no passing power
Did your windshield crack yet?
@@AD-sp5cv dude if you floor any car, idc how slow it is, floor it from the beginning of the on ramp, you're gonna merge with plenty of speed
It’s important for Kia to improve performance of the Forte in the updated test.
Also, the injury measures for the Kia Forte in the original side test show good chest injury measures despite the average rib deflection being above 34 mm. Is this a data error? Do you think the side airbags should be redesigned?
does the IIHS do side diagonall impacts with that sort of weight. how common is it for someone to pull out around a blind corner and reach about a 45 degree angle before being slammed into by another vehicle? what would a diagonal side impact around the driver door area look likeif the front left corner of the oncoming vehicle and the front left wheel of the test vehicle collided at 40.
like instead of crossing a road that has a speed limit of 40. what about turning onto a road that has a 40 mph limit. im curious what frame bending stuff would happen.
Joe looks very young ;)
When are you going to do the updated test for luxury cars?
I Hope the GTI will be tested soon! I have a golf estate, and am curious to know how I’d do in this crash.
Could you do a video explaining how you acquire the vehicles to test?
The are purchased anonymously by the IIHS from dealers, and sometimes are brought to a dealer early to have the IIHS rating made available sooner for market. None of the vehicles are sent in directly from the manufacturer nor are mandatory for testing.
@@Boduckai Thanks!
Can you also make a video about why the new frontal crash test is still done at 40 mph speed? The 40 mph standard was set more than 35 years ago, and many death are still happening in real world frontal crash test.
Why not do the test at 48 mph for example for the new frontal test?
Is it still set at 40 just to protect the interests of car companies?
We get this question a lot and have a video planned for this. The short version is that energy involved in a 40 mph barrier crash actually does capture most real-world injury crashes. Keep in mind that most crashes don't happen at highway speeds, and even those that do often involve pre-crash braking or an impact with another moving object. One might think that it's logical just to test at 55 mph or 60, but if cars are optimized for those test conditions they may actually be less protective in more common lower-speed crashes due to overly rigid structural elements. The vehicle needs to crumple and control that energy. If it's designed to do so at 60, it's not going to do it as well at 40.
@@iihs-hldi thanks for replying. I hope there will be a video about this. When you say 40 mph cover most real world crash situation, i want to know what is IIHS definition of "most"? Is it 52 percent of crash? Or more like 80 percent of crash?
If the percentage is in the 50s or 60s, that would suggest the 40 mph speed is not enough to provide vast majority of protection.
Also, i wasn't suggesting IIHS need to do the crash at 55 or 60 mph. I want it to be slightly higher, such as 48 mph. So that is a good 20 percent increase in speed to cover for more cases in real accident.
Dis you guys see the wreck last year where a semi hit a newer Nissan Altima almost full speed from the rear? It’s on UA-cam,
I showed several cops the photo I saw and all (even the older cops) were SHOCKED 🤯 the lady survived.
The trunk rubber gasket of the cars trunk was touching the rear of the drivers seat, and then the semi popped up and landed
on top of the Nissan Altima.
A responding police officer thought this was a 100% factuality accident until he heard the Nissan driver screaming from under the semi.
The driver was a petite 44 year old woman.
Apparently after being rear ended at full speed and the semi landing on top of her, her seat “successfully failed” laying her flat on her back as the semi crashed onto her roof.
She was knocked out briefly, but woke up with the oil pan an inch from her face!
Understandably she screeched for someone to rescue her. A man would do the same.
The startled officer called for a super tow truck to lift the semi off the wreckage of the Nissan Altima, as as soon as the semi was lifted up, the woman found a hole big enough on the passages side to crawl out of her crushed car.
Yep. She wanted out IMMEDIATELY.
She not only crawled out on her own, but was able to stand under her own power.
Her worst injury’s were cracked ribs and a nasty bloody cut on her head.
As a precaution, she was sent to a hospital, but was released the next day.
But as a boss, I would 100% understand her needing to use her vacation and sick time to recover physically and emotionally.
I bet as soon as she was able, she used the insurance check to go to a Nissan dealership and DEMAND a Nissan Altima.
That lady literally dodged death that day.
A fear of semis would be 100% understandable after that!
just something random but i like the wheels on their test vehicle
I’m wanting to see at Kia soul. I have a 2020 and wanna see the results?
I’m honestly extremely impressed by the Corolla and disappointed with the Subaru xv given they sell themselves as the Japanese Volvo and extremely safe etc. if we also look at the forester moderate overlap for rear passenger it got marginal, we’re the Volvo xc40: and ford puma got good.
iihs, nhtsa and euro Ncap does an amazing job for us tho their is two thing I wish for
1- car manufacturer should stop being a bunch of corporate arsehole and make us safe vehicle for all passengers with good relability. To hell with plan obsolenscence
2- we need more crash test institutions across the glob, this way they coyld test alot more car(what about super/hypercar or transit van and luxurious euro sedan)
Injury in a Subaru!? Get a Outback or the 3 row Ascent.
The Subaru Crosstrek was the biggest surprise from the entire tests. Subaru has a reputation for building safe cars. Subaru is the new Volvo.
volvo is the new volvo. subaru is less safe
Subaru has been a step behind Volvo..they were the safest from Asia though
@@RAKITHA9 Volvo is Asian now, it's owned by the Chinese company Geely.
SUBARU's the 4x4 leader besides for safety.
Let’s be real and do mini or subcompacts.
they will go flying
Results show that small cars can be just as safe or safer than large cars…if the cars are well engineered. Nice job Honda, Toyota, and Nissan.
You misspelled Mazda
Don't make it so that high sides are the only way to go.
I want to see out of my car!
I hope the 2024 Kia Forte and Subaru Crosstrek/Impreza do better because they are being redesigned.
Are luxury cars gonna be tested next? Bmw, Audi, etc
Why you didn't do small overlap for Volkswagen TAOS?
They did
@@matthewmooney4301 Where's the video?
@@brutalknife3928Not all crash tests have videos. You just have to research the IIHS website. It is rated Good for the driver’s side and Acceptable on the passenger’s side.
Where is Brian O'Neill these days?
1:36 where are the arms
Wow I'm shocked about Subaru
Looks can be deceiving, what one thinks is a safe vehicle proves not to be and vice versa
"small" cars hehe, these are midsize for Europe, i wonder how something like Seat Ibiza or Peugeot 208 would compare
It's great to have strict and difficult test so that car manufacturers will improve
This is why I got a volvo over Subaru. Well that and Subaru interiors are gross.
Does the IIHS have any plans to introduce ratings or testing for the ESC systems in modern cars? I've come to a realization that many ESC systems are NOT created equal, and in some modern cars can't even stop a skid. New tests, prevention is better than cure. The IIHS tests AEB and crash avoidance systems, so why not test ESC too?
How can the Crosstrek be so poor and the Forester be so good?
The Forester is on the same platform and exact wheelbase as the Crosstrek. They both have 8.7” of ground clearance.
I’m glad I chose the Forester.
Man, they are two different models. Different in size significantly.
@@peterlau1314 They are on the exact same unibody platform. Same wheelbase. Their platform is interchangeable.
Are you thinking of the original Forester? The current one is a giant bloated SUV.
@@Ficon No, it’s the current generation for both.
Do the research. I did.
That’s why I can’t figure it out.
How can one be poor and the other be good?
It must be the body structure itself.
the forester was updated structurally to do well for this test. the cross trek was not
How the heck are these cars small? They are quite big, especally compared to some of the cars we have in Pakistan (Suzuki Mehran, Daihatsu Charade, Suzuki Alto)
The Mehran in the u.s would fall as a micro car and not even be allowed on roads - cars usually follow - micro,subcompact (yaris,mirage) compact (corolla,civic) mid size (5 series , e class , accord) and large (7 series,s class ,toyota century ) iihs is using a small /mid size suv chassis to test as the opposing vehicle and since its crashing into a smaller sized vehicle the smaller car gets more of the impact force
At 00:03 of the video above Joe Young's face in this background looks like a fictional character. Like a hologram, an avatar, a digital character. Doesn't look like real pictures of real people.
Agreeded
I'm missing the real world relevance or connection here. Why did the energy increase by 82%? Have real world crashes seen an increase of 82% energy?
Can't claim safety as a value if the manufacturer design their cars to the test requirements.
This only encourages manufacturers to abandon small cars.
Evidenced by how none of the cars in the video are actually small 🤦🤔
Small cars did better than midsize cars, what are you talking about ?
"Small" cars are getting more popular around the world because of various obvious reasons. These cars are only conisdered "small" for Americans, since these are what you call midsize cars anywhere in Europe.
Why tf is the dummy sitting so low in the Crosstrek? Of course its head is going to hit the lower window sill. That’s not realistic.
They should increase the test by 1 mph every year.
The failure of the Crosstrek will likely be more than fixed within 2 years, knowing how much Subaru prides themselves on IIHS test results
Next thing the IIHS will do is simulate a semi truck hitting a car in a side impact. lol
Please do away with the background music. I feel it detracts from the presentation of important crash test results.
Or at least change it to something else.
Acceptable is still unacceptable in my book
First
If those are "small cars", what are normal or large cars? SUVS or trucks? Are trucks cars now? A small car would be a mini or smart. These are definitely NOT small cars. A Honda Accord is not a "small car". We need smaller cars on the road, not trucks and SUV.
Small cars refers to a vehicle class. There are also microcars, minicars, midsize cars and large cars. These classes are defined very specifically so that consumers can compare ratings with other similar vehicles. Most crash test ratings can't be compared between vehicle classes because vehicle size influences outcome. SUVs are split into small SUVs, midsize, large. Pickups are classified as small and large. We also have separate designations for luxury models within each class.
"small car"
> average european car size
Subaru has truly become such a mediocre car company
They lost their will to make good cars
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