XCOM Theory - Who are the Chosen?
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The Chosen being the three rescuee from Progeny would undeniably be genius continuity-wise.
+Volthoom really hope it is so!
Then again, the game has continuity hiccups already, for example, the Temple Ship is nowhere to be found :D Unless the base underwater in the final mission of Xcom2 IS actually the Temple Ship.
Also, what are the odds of us learning Vahlen's fate in this expansion :D
+Volthoom the Temple Ship looks insanely much like the ship at the end of Terror of the Deep, and that ship was the underwater base... I think :) regarding Vahlen, hopefully we will get some more hints - I have a theory that she may still be alive...
the hunter was a reaper wasn't it? from the archives Iv'e read
+L0gicWülf Schulman yes, but do we know his real name when he was a human? I still feel they could very well be the Furies of old... There are no corpses in the furies location when you find their holding pods.
They were human
The warlock said something in the lines of "to think I used to be human like you, pitiful unworthy creatures"
Which blew me away and pretty much confirmed it
Yes the sniper also says something like this is the first time I had such fun since i was human
Murilo Antonio i think it’s been confirmed in Xcom factions that the hunter is a former reaper captured by mox when he was still advent
"You succumb to the failings of your humanity"
That's what Elder says to the remaining Chosen when one of them dies.
So, yes, basically they were human.
Soo yeah they've always confirmed that they were human once
If you look in the commanders quarters and then the xcom archives you can actually see the backstory on how the chosen were created
God damn it's a missed opportunity to not have some way of making the Hunter our ally.
He clearly doesn't give a fuck about the Ethereal lol.
Yeah he is the disobedient child for sure ;) haha
is stated that he has pased some time between humans, so i think is normal that he kinds of imitates our individuality
Daniel Gallego Ospina But technically he has no intentions of obeying the Ethereals besides... whatever they did to him when he started to roast them lol.
he seem to be the brother of the middle, the bullied rebel one that seeks atention and aproval from his "fathers" so, even so that he gets some of humanity individuality he stil is not only under the control of the ethereals but search their aceptance
+Ken Kaneki it was a surprising roast TBH - he has gall :D
In the XCOM 2 Factions comic, it's confirmed that the Hunter used to be a Reaper. He was captured, mind-probed, modified and turned into whatever he is now, a charming motherfucker that snipes through the map.
@Federico Guelfo Fan-fiction? It's licensed and published by the creators of XCOM 2, it would be stated somewhere if it WASN'T canon. However, type "is XCOM 2 Factions canon" on Google and you won't find shit.
It's not even the only book about Xcom, and I doubt they're all non-canon.
@@kryskiller666 Also, there is "logs" in the XCOM 2 game, in the commander quarter, you have some lore. And you unlock some of them when you complete missions (like genetic data and all, the name of the retrieved files in the mission strangely stay the same) and when you read it, you get some infos on the Hunter. In the game, it's confirmed he is a former Reaper indeed. And being in the game, it's 100% canon.
In the mission against the Warlock's stronghold, one of the possible lines he can say actually suggests that he used to be a human. I don't remember the exact quote but it's something like, "I can't believe I used to consider myself as one of you."
Firock Finion the Hunter says something about this as well. He mentions something along the lines of "losing his humanity", I don't remember the exact quote.
The Hunter was a Reaper that suddently vanished and never was found by his people.
Yeah, unfortunately - I think the background stories for each could have been better with my theory, but oh well :)
All 3 of the Chosen and even Elders refer to the fact they were once human.
Indeed they do - unfortunately not the humans I wanted them to be, but ok :D
I was hoping they'd have some tie in to EU, :( aww well.
Before the War of the Chosen DLC, when you find the Furies scanning site, the bodies are still there (you / the investigation team triggers the execution trap, or whatever)
If it's been changed, then chances are you're dead right about the chosen being the furies.
I honestly hadn't considered the furies in the Xcom2 timeline. I'd say you're 100% onto something and these soldiers are more than likely the three furies with the story reworked to fit the idea of the Chosen. This would explain how psionically gifted the chosen are and my suspicion is these three candidates would have been the perfect avatar prototypes. After all you don't start a project as immense and globe spanning as the avatar project without first running viability tests! The furies being the template for the future avatar project would to me be an insanely awesome tie in with lore from the last game.
+Matt F I really hope I'm right about this as well - how awesome would that be come release :D
That's a really interesting idea with Progeny
Thanks Kevin :)
No only interesting but mind blowing. Annette's 3 friends are the chosen? I was thinking they were human but that shit is crazy
+Jordan in the flesh it's a theory at least - we will know more when the game is released :)
ANNETTE IS (I can bet my life on it!) GEIST, THE LEADER OF THE TEMPLARS!
The Epic Game Faggots That's what I've been thinking. Even EW, she kind of breaks out without XCOM doing anything. It's rather possible that in the XCOM 2 timeline, she escapes on her own, and further hones her gifts on her own/with others similar to her.
Prety much proven now as the elders say to them after one of them dies that they are feeling emotion and they should 'relinquish their humanity'.
This theory actually makes a lot of sense. It also has a sort of symmetry with the expansion Enemy Within that is simply really cool. Honestly both this and the asaru theory are extremely interesting ideas and could very easily fit into the xcom lore so I hope you're right on this.
+Cynicz13 thank you so much - It means a lot to me with comments like this :)
I have to agree, you are on to something, but I have a feeling that the sniper is Megaera while the warlock is Alecto.
+torres dominguez that is likely - hope I'm right about some of it :)
Magaera and Tisiphone were the (implied) siblings in Enemy Within, and the Hunter explicitly refers to the Assassin as "sister" in the trailer? It's possible. They're certainly more physically similar to each other than they are to the Warlock.
warlock was captured by advent when he was a child and assassin was created from scratch, so neither of them can be the fury
Said "Megaera" Tariq and Fatima "Tisiphone" Tariq from xcom EW have the same last name so maybe that's why he said sister
+Yesper indeed, that could be :)
I remember the progeny story, and yes I know for a fact that the warlock admits he was once a human on the mission you kill him. In fact all those missions really help you understand who they are, since they say so much. Great origin!
Played XCOM2WotC and Warlock just said something like "I was consider myself as one of your race...but it was long time ago" , at least as I recall it
+Alt Limbo they were indeed humans once, but it seems they are seperate from the Furies :( I still like my theory though :)
Could the furies be the other avatars we face off against in the story
When I fought the hunter, he said he used to be human. Or something close to that.
a fascinating theory. I would actually like it to be true, a dark twist on some old friends
+NovaCaneKills11 exactly, can't wait to explore the game!
Someone asked them in the Q&A if the Furies were the chosen. Jake said no.
+Bacxaber yeah, unfortunately they didn't go down that path - I still think they could though...
Watching this in 2020 and when you started saying spoilers i was like finished it, finished it
Reapers: Hunter
Skirmisher: Assassin
Templars: Warlock
Warlock: Eldest son
Hunter: Middle child
Assassin: Youngest daughter
well i recently read through the chosen files. and found some interesting stuff. for one. the warlock is the oldest of the three and was apparently raised and experimented on from a young age. never stated how young though so he might have been one of the furies. the hunter is possibly a former reaper operative. captured and brainwashed into the service of the elders. and the assassin? she's a flash clone who was turned chosen.
Yet another Amazing theory, a bit on the shorter end because of the lack of material available to us. I'll keep this theory in mind while playing war of the chosen.
+Erik Teddy thank you Erik, it means a lot to me :) Yeah I wish I had some more to pull in, but for now we will see when we get in game - hope I'm right :)
I hope so too. Also, this theory doesn't disqualify your other theory because the captives could just have been recaptured.
The Warlock states that he used to be a human in dialogue
I think Tisiphone or vengeful destruction, applies to the warlock, “FOR EACH CHILD OF THE ELDERS SLAUGHTERED, HUMANITY WILL PAY A TALLY, IN FLESH!!!”
Interesting idea, I thought the Chosen are hybrids of many different alien species we've seen. Now what species idk yet sadly
+King_Ky's Reign thanks - that could be as well, a spliced race of many good (and bad) races.
The Chosen were human at one point. There's some talk when you invade the Warlock where he states something like "I can't believe I once considered myself part of your race".
The chosen are modified humans. One of their lines of dialouge is something like "I remember when I was human" or "when I was still human blah blah blah"
In the cutscene after the first Chosen is killed, the Elders say that the Chosen have "Succumbed to the failings of their humanity." Along with the lines that the warlock says during the assault on his hideout, where he pretty much admits to having been human once, I think it's pretty definite, that the Chosen were once human.
Them being the Furies is a bit more of a stretch, but I can see the evidence and it is indeed compelling. You very well might be right!
if you read about the Chosen in the Commander's Archives/Logs (or something like that) there is an entry about every chosen. Yes, they were humans.
Yup, remember my video is before the release of the game, so noone knew :)
Oh, now I see. Thanks^^
Duuuuuuude. This is so ballzy sound theory man. I really thought it was van doom, zhang, and annette thats the chosens. Man your theory has more ground than high ground
Thank you so much!
Imho it would have been so much cooler! :)
Did you know that originally a 4th faction and chosen was intended to be added but was scrapped due to time constraints. This 4th chosen would have lined up with Annette.
If the Chosen are identical to the Furies is undetermined (but an interesting and fascinating theory). What can be said is that there are strong hints that they actually _are_ mutated/changed humans! During the assault of its base, the Warlock states -"To think that I once counted myself among your race. You seem so pathetically primitive now" [might not have been verbatim but close enough], strongly suggesting that he was human once! (And if he was, the others probably are as well.)
+Paul Reinerfelt Thank you for the kind and sensible words! I really wanted this theory to be true, despite the Hunter formerly being a reaper and the Warlock was taken as a child, I like my idea better... Like my other Theory I'm just going to say, that in MY timeline, they are the Furies :)
makes sense. I always just assumed they were fully grown avatars. since the avatar autopsy said they were incomplete and have a mask with white hair. the warlock has white hair, and would not be able to blend in with a face like that thus the mask
they could very well be avatars but from unseen races that had been already concured
Facial structures are extremely similar, only the texture and aesthetic features separate them, I think they are clones.
+, I left you a comment. Clones is a good guess as well! Lover your handle :D
"Good to see you, sister."
The Chosen were each picked from their "sects", and crafted into the Chosen. The Hunter, specifically, was a Reaper that was taken captive on a mission, and then crafted into the Chosen Hunter, in order to take out the Reapers. The Warlock was a Templar, and the Assassin was a Skirmisher. There's a comic book about it.
Just now realizing how old this video is. Idk if the comic was out back then 😅
Basically the hunter is basically a game hunter, like a human game hunter. The assassin could’ve been a former Xcom member from unknown (actually all of them could because Xcom has all of those) and the warlock could’ve been the “gift” or the first Psionic human
I once heard a rumor that they intended there to be a Fourth Chosen.
+Garin Jones yeah, and some theorize about it being the commander :)
Ha, they could have moved on to a new test subject. Or they intended for there to be five, the Commander being the Fifth and their leader. Entirely possible that subject no. 4 is out there, just independent and a powerful wild one.
A good choice for the Fourth One, would be the psionic character, "The Volunteer", who activated the Gallop Chamber in XCOM1. The character, after all, disappeared after blowing up the Temple Ship. It could have been this character, or the would-be "Volunteer", captured when the base fell.
I see the Chosen as not a failed version of Project Avatar, but a success, as in they are the success in building a body for the Elders but a failure in that their will is far too strong in which the Elders could come to inhabit their bodies. Hence, in respect to that, the Elders consider them their "children".
Garin Jones yeah, that could be - my other theory has him/her as the Commander in XCOM 2 though :D
The next one will be less head canon although if one needs to speculate, one needs to add some head canon :)
For some reason, I think the Fourth Chosen may be the General of the bunch. Less Assassin or Sorcerer, more overwhelming Psionic-boosted powerhouse. Kinda like the Valkyria from Valkyria Chronicles.
+Garin Jones if that rumor had been there at the making of this Theory, I would have put my money on Anette Durand! I still think this theory would have been cooler than 3 random humans... But oh well..
Actually makes more sense
By the way...I think Hunter and Assassin are actually twins, because when I save in that mission women and man have same second name Tariq. I wonder what happend then with Durand, that french woman with psi-powers?
I was wondering who the chosen are *in function*. Are they a paramilitary government agency With their own forces, a rogue Army or are they high ranking officers of the standard peacekeepers?
I think you're right on the money!
I think they might be human once that the elders deemed worthy of their power. Kinda like the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse but there are only three. Why? Because I think the Commander is the supposed to be the fourth chosen but was rescued by xcom and they are willing to use any means necessary to retrieve the commander. And at some point in the game the hunter will say "I gave up my humanity for this..." so I guess they might be willing or something? Idunno. That's just what I think
+Mark Miaral awesome thoughts, thanks for sharing!
as much as I love the hunter im sad to say he really is a push over like i really just wanted to let him go at 1 point or i wish their was some special ending where if you din't destroy thier strongholds you sort of saved them or something idk im known in my friend group for bad ideas.
What if Vallhen helped create the Chosen? We do know that she has a thing for messing with aliens in batches of 3. Lol
+IchiroFuma :D That could be - since we don't exactly know her whereabouts... Someone should do an #XCOMTheory about that ;)
my guess is that they're willing human collaborates who were imbued with Elder DNA
I think that when Commander was captured, the Ethereals made copies of his conscience/cloned him if he were an Ethereal. The consciences/clones were paired/merged with a manufactured "super human". Each conscience/clone was unique: one was psionically gifted and acted like the boss, this became the Warlock; one was angry and rebellious, this became the Hunter; and one was loyal and clear-thinking, this became the Assassin
The Chosen to me are just humans who are mutated to be great warriors for the Elders. They each have dialouge referencing how they abhor how the Commander for rejecting the gifts thu received.
Now that it's out more information was given in the commanders quarters. Goes into small exerts of their creation. Can't wait till enemy from the deep
+Chris Dixon Yeah, same here - there is no doubt in my mind that XCOM 3 will be a rendition of that (without underwater combat, as Jake don't like that)
Game kNight i quite liked TfTD though, oh well
+Kieran McCabe oh, same here.. Have really fond memories of the game :)
+Kieran McCabe have you guys checked out Phoenix Point? I have a video on it in the Indie playlist :)
TFTD had some nice above-water combat as well. I really loved the terror attacks on the big ships.
I think the chosen are those psionic prisoners from progeny who had their dna mixed with the elders, thus they're "children" because they carry some of their dna and it would explain why they're so powerful in terms of psionics
+Einar Styrmisson I think we nailed it! Here is hoping!
They used to be human. When you kill the assassin, the elders tell the other chosen "you succumb to the failings of your humanity" its pretty blatant.
I think the chosen we're built from the ground up by the ethereal genetic engineering, which is why there are only three. They were made with a mix of all sorts of dna
+juan muffin that could also be, just a bit boring like with the 'they are a new species"
It may well JUST be that, but we can always hope the designers chose a bit more clever way :)
Or the chooses are the "Avatar" projects of another species. there are three of them because the rest of the population were processed just like how the Aliens were processing humans to create our versions of the "chosen".
I'm convinced this is true. my only remaining question is what happened to Annette? with the loss of xcom its probable going to be a sad outcome
+yiggdrasill on the Steam forum someone suggedted that she may be knvolved in forming the Templars :) I like that thought :)
same here. it could be why they are telling us so little about them so far
Well, we know that the Ethereals travelled from world to world... We have no idea how many they have travelled to. How many enemies do they still have in other galaxies or whatnot. How many races have they actually purged, and how many races still fight back alive and well.... Are there any other empires out there with massive ships that fight toe to toe with the Ethereals.
Its such a vast universe with great potential.
+Lord Sandro I agree, they could be another alien race that we haven't heard about... I just like my theory more :D
Speaking of travelling from world to world - how large is their empire? I mean the name Andromedon kinda worries me. Do they own several Galaxies? Female Chosen said that Elders' rule extends through the Universe.
+Steel Bear yeah, if you look at the races they have subdued, their rule extends light-years, since there are so many different ones.
What one could fear the most, is what they are fighting against... Must be something terrifying indeed! ;)
I feel like XCOM 3's plot will be "yep, XCOM screwed up again"
Holly $#!+... what a great theory. Blew the top off my head. Thx for the Video.
You know, I think you might be on to something. I think that the class correlation could be a bit more than a coincidence. I mean, the Sniper and Hunter are both known for their sniper rifles, the Assault uses shotguns and was succeeded by the Ranger which also uses swords and other melee weapons like the Assassin and since I don't think the aliens would be too keen on any sort of support class (just count all of their units that focus primarily on support) that would leave the person who would later be referred to as the Warlock to focus on their psionic potential. I'm so convinced by this that unless directly told otherwise I'm going to say this is the case
+dinosaurfan123 thank you! Glad you liked it, even if it isn't what the devs thought I feel it is warrented :)
They are ethereals's children
+Hubi Bubi they sure act like kids! I wonder how Ethereals propagate :P
Game kNight idk but if you want to know im sure you can find it on rule 34
Not shure If you still read the new comments Here but thats a really Genius Idea i never thinked of that
But it would make sense sinse the people Like Annette from enemy within also have strong Psi powers
Thank you :) I hoped it was what they would reveal the lore to be... Instead it was just random people :(
And yes, I read all comments :)
Some fun observations
Alright, sounds good. My idea is their the children of the Commander.
What I always imagined, is that the Chosen are not chosen by the Ethereals, but they themselves made a choice.
Members of a race so powerful and violent the Ethereals never could subdue, but who were destroyed so no one could oppose the Ethereals. The Chosen are simply powerful members who chose to join the Ethereals for their own reasons before the choice of annihilation was made. They wanted power, and did not care of their people, so they do not complain.
There may be others, but these three are also chosen, once Earth is fully taken, one of them is allowed to rule Earth, if they succeed. But only the strongest may do so, and they have to survive battles, and in the end, kill each others.
Obviously not supported by the clues given by the game, but I liked my version a lot too.
If you read the XCOM archives files about the chosen, I think it preety much confirms the fact they used to be human.
Indeed - this videobwas made before the expansion hit :)
Unfortunately they weren't the humans I had hoped they were...
Isn't the speaker aka a thin man supposed to be the first non elder alien we speak to
+Borgadn Rager true, we do speak with him, but kn the end it is (mostly) the Elder we communicate with, so I just picked one :)
Possible. I can't confirm the classes, but in general it is a possibility. Otherwhise it could have nothing to do with each other.
While ... If your theory about Progeny is right, what happened to Annete Durand? A fourth secret Chosen or at least a Dlc-Chosen?
+Kapitän JadeDejavu on steam TraderGy suggested that maybe she is either ghe founder of the Templars or maybe the first one we find?
That would be the sickest tie in for her :D
Holy shit! I think you're on to something dude!
+BlueZeroEight - Gaming and More right! I can't WAIT to see if I'm right about this :D I think, when the Templar leader Geist is revealed, it will be Anette, one of the first Psionically gifted, and that could cement my theory!
Thanks for watching!
Interesting theory which makes a lot of sense. Except one flaw...at 2:47 Warlock says "They called upon us ONCE MORE". Since they haven't been in a battle over the Earth before, it must mean that they fought a war somewhere else, presumably on one of the planets Elders conquered before arriving to the Earth. If that so, Chosen are made from one of the other races, not human.
Apparently the Chosen were Humans, used in the takeover of Earth when XCOM fell.
They were, however, taken away from the streets when the focus became assimilating the public rather than scaring them. Thus the normal troopers were instated that looked more human.
Yesterday when i raided the warlocks stronghold. One of his comments were (that he is embarrassed, that he originated from human kind) along the lines. Im playing the german version btw.
So maybe you're right, who knows 😊
If he actually says he's from human, then there's no argument left. Do me a favour and next time you two speak, tell him humans are embarrassed too that he's one of us...
Probably used to be a politic or something 😃
The elder say: you have walked under the humans for too long. After u Kill tue first chosen
Actually they say that after lost and abandoned mission (first cutscene when you go to the bridge).
I thinck they do tell You they we're humans, i remenber a line of dialogue some of them have that pretty much tell You they we're like you, humans
My theory is the chosen are lesser beings from the home planet as the ethereals. The entire species was wiped out by the ethereals, except for these few who pledged allegiance to the ethereals. When they say "greatest creation" it's genetic modification. Kinda fits with their purple skin.
Though yours is pretty damn good and canonically accurate, this time lol.
+poke thanks buddy :)
besides the chosen warlock dropping alot of hints to them once being human, there is also (Spoiler) when one of them dies and gets mourned at the elders, the ethereal gets angry, saying the interesting line "you have succumbed to the failings of your humanity, you squander our gift to you" with another interesting line "what was given can be taken away" implying the ethereals might've been able to turn the chosen back into weak humans, taking away all their powers
Yeah :) Remember this video was before the game was even released :) Lots of things were made clear when the game was released :D
yeah, that makes sense. all of the furies had psi-capabilities though (albeit latent) do the "chosen" all have psi powers?
+Herald Of Nurgle the stealth of the Assassin seem very likely to be a psi power and the ressurection ability of the hunter also :)
yeah, upon further inspection they do all seems to have the visual effects of psi powers. They also have a purple hew to their skin which could be a clue.
It would have been awesome if Annette durand appeared as a Hero/Special soldier in this DLC tying to free her friends from the elders...
Annette part of that DLC in Enemy within right?
+john madrid yep, she was :) I was hoping she would be revealed as Geist, instead they went with a noname character... Could have been a nice twist if it was her...
Game kNight yep its a shame, she could have easily joined the templars or even just a solo hero with amazing/ unique psionic abilities.
It makes sense if the chosen were humans because the ethereals are constantly saying,”your humanity” and would make sense for why the hunter is rebellious he knows he was a human, he doesn’t have the same respect for the ethereals because they mutated him into what he is
Warlock stated that he was once human
One extra thing to keep in mind -- all three are guaranteed to have great psionic potential once you have the psi lab, pretty much locking in the Support as a likely warlock of sorts. Your theory seems overwhelmingly likely to be true to me because the Chosen fit the male-male-female setup. And as you said, their classes fit closely. One more thing to keep in mind is that XCOM 2 did actively choose to draw attention to the Furies. It would've been no big deal if there was no scannable event giving some foreshadowing or closure. After all, we don't find out what happens to Zhang or other loose ends, but they chose to keep the Furies in our minds still. If it pans out this way, it will definitely make going back to play EW very interesting if you recruit this trio.
+Midnight Tea glad you agree! I really hope I'm right as that would be so awesome to have 'seen' before the devs revealed it :D
i thought that the Chosen were simply hybrids with ethereal dna.
kinda like how all the rest of the enemies in the game have been using human dna to even be made in the first place/enhanced.
i mean they kinda look like them from the previous game, just with mouths, and only one set of arms.
Nope, they are Humans modified by the Ethereals, probably by way of Psionic energy and their own DNA as you stated.
The other enemies you encounter are all subjugated species, not creations of the Ethereals. The only exception is the new Greys (which is a mistake I think!)
Makes sense to me.
Plausible, but I feel that the Warlock and Assassin wouldn't profess to be so willing to serve the elders if they had memories of being human.
Also they have a distinct age difference between the warlock and the others, which conflicts with the furies being roughly the same age.
Ultimately,they are creations of the ethereals, im not sure if fireaxis needs to explain/ add story to them anymore than that.
+Ca Ad while they don't it would be nice if they did. Any idiot can invent something new and say: oh, these are here now. The really good designer links the stories together, creating an intricate web for us to uncover.
I hope in x com 3 we get psionic soldier that can do what the chosen can do.
the jig is up he got it
But what happend with Annete then?
+Anton Kirilenko a theory has emerged that Annete Durand is the co-founder of the Templars, maybe she is Geist?... Maybe she died during the base assault?
no, no, in reality, she is the long lost daughter of Samir Duran from Starcraft! its just part of a crossover between Xcom and Starcraft of the now cancelled Starcraft Ghost!
... theory crafting at it finest :P
Game kNight, Until Firaxis says otherwise, I'll keep thinking she is a leader of the Templars. And she couldn't have died in the base assault because you meet her only after that. Basically, if she is somehow present in WotC, then XCOM never met her in the first place.
+Anton Kirilenko you do meet her before, as the Progeny missions have 3 of them in, and Anette is the first you find. Can't remember when, but the last mission is after the base assault as I stated in the video :)
I believe that she probably is now though, since the Templar site says: 'led by Geist, one of the original Psionic soldiers'
+Rex1987 named Geist now also translated into ghost for a lack of a better word (it doesn't cover it)
'led by Geist, one of the original Psionic soldiers'
On the templar site :)
Unfortunately I don't think they are three mutated humans. If you watch the whole cutscene the warlock states the ethereals need them "again" meaning they have been used before. That is revealed to have been the capture of the X-com commander during the base assault (the ethereal states that was their job and they succeeded).This means they were around since the start of the initial invasion they just didn't need to reveal themselves. Bear in mind that although the genetic manipulation of the ethereals might be advanced I doubt they could have done it in a few months (which is how long it took for X-com to fall initially).
+Jan-Christophe Janousek the Elder never states that it was the base defence, in fact, she says their task was to subjugate the population of Earth, which very well could be the mutated progeny. Unless you have footage that I haven't seen?
They had plenty of time after the fall of XCOM to manipulate these individuals.
I'm sticking to my theory until more info comes :D
Thanks for chiming in!
well this is something. it is a good idea. it dose make since. the classes those got where sniper, assault, and support. and they all where psi troopers.
+huston831 glad you liked it :) Thanks for watching :)
I still have questions about vipers that have yet to be answered. Like, if they were thin men why cant they leap like thin men, Why is their plasma rifle weaker?(no plus 10 aim bonus like the LPR) and most importantly if they are reptiles why do they have boobs? Im pretty sure boobage is a mammalian species exclusive. Do a theory on vipers we need to know this is the most pressing of issues
+Shadow Kitsune haha, that is a good point, the boobage :D May just cover that ;)
I'd always liked the theory that Annette and the Furies were the four Avatars you see throughout the game, but it looks like I'm going to have to switch up. The sex/class lineup is just too much to be a coincidence.
+Stuurminator yeah, that theory I liked too, but if they are ment to be the Furies it is sad that they didn't cater more to it. We'll hopefully know more soon!
I had the same idea about them being the three people from Progeny a couple of days ago. It certainly fits, however i'm not so sure about the personalities lining up.
The Assassin seems to be angry all the time, so she would match closer with Alecto. beyond that though, I can't really tell. She doesn't seem to have an opinion on the Elders like her brothers, but on a livestream either Jake Solomon or Garth DeAngelis mentioned that she was very honorable (which is ironic considering she's an ASSASSIN.) The Warlock and Hunter don't strike me as fitting into any of the three personalities described. The Warlock is definitely not jealous, nor does he seem angry, until the Elder's power is questioned. The most noticeable things about him are his loyalty and his arrogance. He believes the Elders are Gods, and so he considers himself a God as well, as they call him and his siblings their Children. The Hunter, on the other hand, seems rebellious. He's the first to make a threat against his siblings, and when the Warlock attempts to pacify the situation he fires back with a quip about the Elders, knowing it would make his brother angry. He then has the balls to outright disrespect the Elder TO HER FACE (in a hologram, but still, her face). Maybe he hates them all for some reason, maybe he just knows they won't kill him after all the effort he went through to create him, or maybe hes just an asshole.
Their personalities don't really line up with the Furies as you described, however I do believe that if they aren't the genetically modified Furies from EW, then the Furies were at least a part of the process to making the Chosen as they are today.
Funny thing about the Warlock, I don't think he is jealous of his siblings, but of the Elders - he knows not to question them to their face, but he does state at one point that he is/will be stronger than his masters.
I think his jealousy lies there.
Relentless destruction does fit the assassin I feel, she may be honorsble, but not towards her masters enemies... Nor does she fight fair (invisibility isn't really fair)
The hunter seems angry, with everyone, his siblings he wants to kill, 'it would be so easy' to kill her!
He seems mad at the Elders and because of it he becomes disobedient..
I feel the personalities fit just fine, but I also see hour points :)
Thanks for chiming in!!
Hmmm. I see your point. I have a feeling their origins may be revealed during some of the story mission in WotC, so we'll just have to wait.
For what is going to be a very, very, very long month and a half.
+Bootyhunter834 Gaming oh yeah, the wait is unbearable TBH!
It definitely sounds like it connects. So, the assassin is...Antoinette?
no she is dead she escapes the truck but exaut gun her down ;3
The Vipers/snakemen joined with the Ethereals willingly as well, so there is precedent for aliens joining the Ethereals willingly.
II think the Vipers/Snakemen surrendered very quickly when the Ethereals arrived. That, coupled with their lack of psionic power, led to the Ethereals listing them as a failed race and moving on again. Its why the Vipers/Snakemen were unsuitable.
One question why does the warlock turn to stone when he permanently dies when the others just die and leave a normal dead body
Maybe because of his psionic powers?
Just a sectoid with internet access but why would his psionic make him turn to stone when he dies?
@FibroidAuto5900 I don’t know. That was first theory that got into my mind why he turns into stone
Just a sectoid with internet access makes some sense
Sounds very convincing.
+Khairuddin Haji Mohamed thanks buddy, we will know more as soon as we start the campaign, I can't wait!
I had the same theory HAHAHAHA there behavior was to human the way they argue. I also have the crazy theory that ethereal are human for either the future or another timeline,
Has proof you have all the insinuation when you reverse engineer the alien. In xcom Vahlen accentuate how you become like the alien.
And the ethereal there hate against human is SOO human like if there hate themself they hate there body and search to to modified them become something else. In XCOM 2 they combine DNA of the sectoid with human. how in the universe 2 differents species could combine there DNA you could argue its meld but think about it , if you graft a arm from the same specie there is a risk of reject soo 2 differents species wouldnt match at all!
I just really wish they had taken the three I thought they stemmed from - instead of three random humans :P Can't have it all :P
You forgot a scene when you permanently kill one of the Chosen, there is a cutscene where the Elder's say 'YOU HAVE SUCCUMBED TO THE FAILINGS OF YOUR HUMANITY'. Keyword being 'your'. To me, that is solid evidence that the Chosen were once human, otherwise, why would they say that? If they were an alien race, then they wouldn't have any human DNA within them. I suggest giving those cutscenes a watch, lot's of lore in those cutscenes.
This theory is more likely then you may think.
Wish it was so :(
@@GamekNightPlays watch the cinematics after you take down one of the chosen, it gives you some evidence to the theory that they were once human.
I didn't agree with the ethereal video but this one seems spot on.
+A loser thanks :)
So if this is all true... what happened to Annette? She's literally the only reason the base assault was even possible
+Kepler 68 yeah, I would like to know as well... In my Theory the first couple of missions would have been successful, so Annette would have been saved.. I was hop7ng she was actually Geist, it woulf have made sense..
Instead they chose to go with someone new 'one of the first Psionically gifted' :(
you seriously might be onto something it could be very possible however they aren't avatar failures i think they were created to handle as hand of the elders as they muscle degeneration got worse they needed some loyal leaders that aren't humans but are powerful and wise enough to control the earth and it's population as they said themselves that they're mission has been to crush any resistance of all who would oppose them
+Alone Wolf indeed - the Assassin also states that she is the true heir of Earth...which seems a bit odd, as a true heir would have to be... Human.. No?
Game kNight yup damm i really hope it's true because then we would seriously get why they are so dangerous but i wonder what kinda thing made them look like that is it human dna mixed in with some elder dna and some other race or something else hmm
+Alone Wolf the Elder days that they possess their wisdom and will, so I figure it is Elder dna they are fused with. I hope it is true aswell, as that would add a totally new layer to the lore.
They were Humans
+HVS indeed - not as I pictured them, but at least human :)
When were you planning on doing the playthrough? Cuz I could make quite a few characters with decent backstories. Is there a limit to how many characters we can create?
+MrRodger07 starting recording on the 28th, and any bin file characters will be added right away for the current playthrough. I'm limiting it at 2 pr. Person :)
Thanks, was wanting to know. And I already made my two then. Hopefully you pick them. They are a ranger/sharpshooter husband/wife team. Or at least that is what they hopefully become since I did not know how to do the whole bin file thing. I play on computers I don't know how they work , that is my defense and I am sticking to it.
+MrRodger07 that is so cool :) I'll start creating some of the submitted characters this weekend :) The roster is filling up :)
Maybe I should do a quick guide to exporting characters? It makes you guyd able to get the exact look you are going for, and makes my life easier :D
Yeah, that would be fantastic, then with your permission I could resubmit my duo. I have both of them wearing Halo armor though because it looks so freaking cool and makes both of them look so badass. And then you can redo their backstory with the one I supplied when I first submitted them. Which would make them that much cooler.
+MrRodger07 yeah go ahead :)
Mh... it's a very likely possibility that they are the 3 individuals that the Progeny project indicates, but i don't think they are based on the classes or that they are just simple failed experiments, but more of an answer of the Elders to the 3 groups of resistance fighters that xcom can ally to.
Assassin: close quarter combat, armed with shotgun and sword. The Skirmisher soldier tells that she is a hunter of his kind, and the free Advent show pride in their hand-to hand combat.
Hunter: range shooting. The Reapers say that they face someone like the Assassin, and they are masters of shooting and stealth.
Warlock: psionic powers. The other group are the Templars ( i think, can't remember the name right now ), psi armed with swords and powers.
The Reaper sniper tells that the Chosen they fought appeared with no warning some time ago, and kept them constantly under threat. Add that for some reason they did not intervene to fight XCOM the moment they grabbed the Commander, and you can see that maybe they were just created to be specialists, counters to the only groups that posed a threat to their dominion ( XCOM still was in shambles and not much active, they become an effective enemy only when the Commander shows up. ).
The thing that is certain is that XCOM, especially Bradford, never even saw a single report on them, since he goes full "WTF!?!?" when the Assassins appears. That means that they were never in contact with XCOM operatives, not in the old days, nor in the close ones. And that they were not a creation to be shown in pubblic, like the rest of ADVENT and Alien forces.
So yeah, maybe they are the 3 dudes that were grabbed and spliced with Ethereal DNA ( they seem to be similar to the old Aliens that you see in The Bureau: XCOM Declassified in some way ), but they are a recent creation, not an old one.
+Drazar Kabalblade yeah I looked into the Outsiders (Zijian? race) as a potential source, but the differences between their appearence were too distinctive. I think something elsr happened to the Outsiders, but that is for another video in the future :)
I'm also most certain they are counters to eachother, as for instance the Assassin takes more damage from reapers. This is a really cool addition!
Oh there are massive differences, no question on that. But as a spliced race it makes more sense because no other race is as similar to the humans than the Outsiders ( mutons are way more bulky, spliced sectoids have, I think, a bigger head, and these are the most similar ).
I considered this: the similar bodies, the fact that they can fluently speak human with their mouths ( something that no other race can do, even the Advent soldiers loose that ability and probably have to recover it ), have emotion and free will ( looking to the Hunter, it's clear that they can be "infected" by the way the Human act, something similar happened to one soldier of Outsiders that was captured by the first XCOM ) and have access to the Psi-powers. The list of creatures capable of this things is pretty small all things considered, and only one was seen before with the Ethereals but not by Bradford.
About the fact that the faction counter the Chosen, it is indeed a cool addiction, and if i heard right the "rivalry" is something that will always appear in their weakness list, but i think it only gets the point stronger.
The assassin seems very focused on Mox ( she tries to attack him first, she captures him instead of the Reaper ), and Mox knows her enough.
The Reaper however is perfectly suited to fight her: she has shadow ( so she can run and search for her ), fights from far away ( means that the favored weapons of the Assassin, the shotgun and swords, are ineffective ) and in the video the Reaper manages to find her before she attacks ( she shoots her while invisible to protect Mox ). Something like that is shown in the damage output then.
I may be entirely wrong of coruse, it's just something that I thought.