Captains of the Enterprise
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2018
- I'll be doing a two part video on the lore of the captains of the Enterprise ships starting with the NX-01 and ending with the 1701-E and possibly beyond.
This video takes us through the legacy of the warp 5 prototype, the Original Series and the 23rd century films and I hope to see you for part 2 later on!
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Remember what Spock said. "As a teacher on a training mission, i'm committed to command the enterprise." If we are to go on actual duty, the senior officer must assume command.
I think Spock was in command in that time.Due to the fact that Spock stated to Kirk he believe it was a mistake for him to accept promotion. He belong on the bridge of the ship not behind some admiral desk. Also Kirk himself told picard to never let them do anything that took him off the bridge of that ship. which seemed to come from personal experience.
Funny to tell Picard never leave the bridge when every episode Kirk was beaming down lol
Theoretically, Spock was the listed Captain, but Kirk popping in to take over from time to time of the old girl when he could get away with it. Same kind of thing as with several ships having a designated Captain in real world navies even when there's an admiral onboard who is actually in command there
It is canon that Kirk had a 5 year mission after the V’Ger crisis. They say this in an episode of Voyager.
it's also referenced in a few the books & a "Tech Manual" or 2 that came out in the 80's & 90's that he had a 2nd 5 year mission after the events of ST The Motion Picture. I vaguely remember 1 book even saying something about a temporary rank reduction to Commodore or Fleet Captain so he could stay in command during the mission.
No, that was never stated. Icheb only mentioned that his five year mission ended in 2270
I always wanted further clarification of the time between ST TMP and WOK. He def had a second 5-year mission
Even though it was a replacement, the NCC-1701-A had her own personality . just like the NCC-1701 refit.
There were a series of comics released by Marvel following TMP that had Kirk captain the Enterprise leading into WoK. However, it would be really wobbly canon as WoK seems to treat TMP as "barely there"
Technically, the Enterprise was also briefly commanded by M-5.
And various aliens, but so briefly not worth mentioning.
+J Spiel No, the Enterprise was _hijacked_ several times by occupying forces like Khan Noonien Singh or the Kelvans, but M-5 is a special case because it was _officially_ placed in command of the Enterprise by Starfleet.
right the M-5 was given command by starfleet very good point
What's M-5? Oh wait I'll do a Starfleet wookie search
Sheeyit. I wouldn't call it "commanded".
Although there is no known captain or crew to speak of, the NX-1 wasn't the first Enterprise. It was the XCV-330 USS Enterprise which was seen referenced multiple times in the canon including a painting in an episode of ST:Enterprise, a model sitting on the desk of Admiral Marcus' desk in Into Darkness, and specifically referenced by William Decker in ST:The Motion Picture. It had a ring shaped warp nacelle/pylon assembly inspired by Vulcan design.
ST reboot films aren't Prime universe so technically not Canon
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 Events that took place before the timeline split should technically be canon. IE ST: Enterprise is entirely canon in the Kelvin timeline. The XCV-330 Enterprise model would be of a ship before the timeline split.
Spock's command would be sometime in the 2281-85 time frame. Kirk to Carol Marcus "There's man out there I haven't seen in 15 years who wants to kill me..."
Haha 😂 🤣 you had my laughing so hard when you started say, “oh no, such bad punishment... and you named the named the new ship Enterprise? Oh no!” Lol that was priceless.
Well it did nearly fly apart on the shakedown cruise....
1701 wasn't destroyed by Klingons it was destroyed by Kirk's self-destruct order.
How could they have stopped it? A self-destruct order once initiated could only be stopped by voice command from the officers who initiated it by using their command codes.
Plus if you remember from the episode 'Let That Be Your Last Battlefield' Kirk states that from five to zero, no command known will stop the self destruct system
That, too. A self destruct that could be stopped by anyone would be pointless.
@@graceskerp they could disable the secondary systems that control the self-destruct system like the Kazon did with Voyager in the episode "Basics" but that requires intimate knowledge of the computer system and sufficient time to do it. The Klingons had neither the knowledge needed or time to do it.
@TIG5574 Kirk's order couldn't not be overridden, once very last code was put in it would destroy itself. He could override it if he didn't give it that final order code, which stated that he himself couldn't stop it. I read that they did this in case he was captured or his mind was controlled after order. And unlike Voyager (Which writers admitted was flawed) which did have an ability to hack it and stop it, once Kirk's ship was ordered it would do order no matter what. I read that if you attempted to hack computers it would destroy itself moment they attempted it.
Not bad! Nice to see Capt. Jonathan Archer getting more recognition.
By rights though, Commodore Decker's 'command' of Enterprise during The Doomsday Machine is irrelevant- Capt. Kirk invoked his Executive Privelege as CO of the Enterprise and Ordered Mr. Spock to assume command of the Enterprise during the course of that episode.
The thing with Commodore Decker is that there were TWO Deckers: Commodore Decker, who died in Constellation(IIRC) ending the "Doomsday Machine" and his son, as I recall, who took command of Enterprise before the V'Ger incident.
Riker spent some time as the Enterprise captain after Picard got assimilated by the Borg. His time may have been short, but his brilliant strategy saved the Earth from being conquered by the Borg.
Agreed. Especially after guinan told him he had to make his own way, not the cards way. Riker did it brilliantly! If anything, instead of STD, they should have had a series about Ryker!
Spoiler alert
Any way you look at it, Archer lives a LONGASS time.
He’s referenced in the JJ Abrams movie by Scotty, and would have been 140 year old if he was alive then.
However, the 2009 film never referenced him being alive. It only says “Admiral Archer’s prized beagle,” it’s possible Archer had a beagle that managed to outlive him.
A writer for Enterprise said that that a 132 year old Archer died at his home in upstate New York in the year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening ceremony of the first Federation starship NCC-1701 Enterprise (at least in the prime timeline.) This fate for Archer was going to be revealed in the Mirror Universe episodes for Enterprise, but was cut last minute.
Going off of this, it’s reasonable to assume that Archer COULD HAVE survived an extra 7 years in the Kelvin timeline. OR, it’s also very possible that he was dead in the 2009 movie when he’s referenced by Scotty, and only his beagle was still alive when Scotty beamed it away.
Of course, scotty’s beaming incident happened likely a few years before the events of the 2009 film, so it’s likely that in the Kelvin Timeline: Archer had another beagle in the final years of his life, died in 2245 at 132 years old, and then 3 years later, Scotty accidentally beamed his dog away.
Now, I think it’s kinda impossible that this beagle is Porthos. One of the writers for Star Trek 2009 said that it was, but I’m pretty sure he was joking in the interview with this statement, or it at least wasn’t meant to be taken seriously... Porthos is referenced as dying in the Enterprise book “Patterns of Interference,” (which isn’t canon, but is a lot more realistic than assuming it was a 125 year old dog...) Again, I think it’s most likely Archer just had another beagle in the last years of his life. They never CALL the dog Porthos in the 2009 movie, again they just say “prized beagle.”
After being captain, Archer ended up being an Admiral and Chief of Staff at Starfleet Command. He later went on to serve as ambassador to Andoria from 2165 to 2175. From 2175 to 2183, Archer served as a member of the Federation Council, followed by eight years as Federation President from 2184 to 2192. (He was also an honorary member of the Andorian Imperial Guard.) Following his presidency, he likely either retired or returned to his position as admiral for the remaining years of his life. Even if he didn’t necessarily command the ENTERPRISE for a long time, this guy had a CRAZY LONG career, and in the reboot enterprise books, he’s referenced as commanding a few other ships after the enterprise.
Anyways, there’s some sense put to Archer’s age and the reference from the JJ Abrams movie! It surprisingly actually fits in well.
the refitted Enterprise's "shakedown cruise" was the V'Ger incident. Did you not see the movie? It was made very clear that the ship was barely ready and was untested. That's why they spiraled in to the wormhole.
Calvin Handley I’d say Decker commanded her for a bit pre refit? In the classic TOS style?
Keith Watson No, It is well established in Canon that the Enterprise was taken out of service immediately at the end of Kirk's five year mission, as it was in need of repairs. Decker was in command of the refit process. It was also very clear that there had been no shakedown cruises before the nearly disastrous first test of the new engines when launching from space dock.
@@calvinhandley2373 you are correct. The guy who made this video needs to do better research. Or at least watch all the movies and pay attention. If Decker had been shaking down the Enterprise for a year, the engines would not have been imbalanced and they wouldn't have created that Wormhole. She was not only fresh out of dry dock, she was actually rushed out of dry dock.
Decker also wasn't pleased in Admiral Kirk because he had to take a temporary reduction in rank. The only reason Decker stayed on Board Enterprise is because it was fully refitted vs what Kirk served on as Captain and Decker was used as an advisor. Like when Kirk wanted to Fire phasers and Decker said no Photon torpedoes. He told Kirk that the warp drive had been redesigned and the phaser power was now channeled through the warp core.
The way you presented it in this video, I actually didn’t mind seeing the Discovery Enterprise wedged in there. Not a huge problem. :)
I couldn't get used to Scott Bakula in a Star Trek TV series. I kept expecting Dean Stockwell to appear out of nowhere.
Being a reader of any TOS books I find. Plenty of them fill in this period with Kirk in command and that is how I believe it would have gone down. Like you I wonder if it was truly a deep space exploration mission, probably more of an special assignments, responding to internal affairs.
Seems like something *Admiral* Kirk would do. He is a guy who needs to be out there doing stuff and Starfleet Command knew about it. So they gave him "permission" to be a field officer.
Representing Starfleet and the Federation more as an active diplomat than as a desk warrior fighting documents.
I think the enterprise A was a new build ship, the last of the constitution class ships. Then she was decommissioned as part of fleet draw down. To make room for her excelsior class replacement.
The most popular theory is that the Enterprise A was the refitted NCC-1717 USS Yorktown. Other sources say it was the newly constructed USS Ti-Ho (NCC-1798) or the USS Atlantis (also newly constructed). To me this doesn't make sense since it had been firmly established in STII, STIII, & STIV that the Constitution class ships were outdated. Enterprise was scheduled to be scrapped in STIII, so it makes no sense that Starfleet would be building new Constitution class vessels when they could instead be building Miranda class vessels and possibly Constellation class vessels. The Constellation has always seemed to be a bridge between the Constitution and Excelsior class in it's design.
The A was just the rebranded Yorktown.
I had always just assumed after STTMP that Enterprise became the trainee ship and remained that until STTWOK. And Kirk becoming the Head of Starfleet Academy, thus still retaining over all command of Enterprise with Spock acting as the training cruise Captain.
If the Enterprise A was 40 years old, we must assume it had the same extensive refit the original Enterprise went through as being identical.
The Enterprise refit was so extreme it was basically stripped to it’s keel. It was totally a new ship after its refit. Upgraded in every way. So if the ship was refitted in 2272, then really is the ship 40 years old by 2286?
If I remember the exchange between Decker and Kirk, he basically stated Kirk wasn’t experienced with the refitted Enterprise and didn’t know the ship as well as him due to the extreme refit starfleet did with the constitution class ships in the 2270s. So by the 2290s these were still very capable starships when you consider the excelsior class ships still were being used in the dominion war in the late 2370s, by that time a 100 year old design!
Constitution Class (refit) was actually seen in the 24th Century but they were rarely used as they were ancient by then, Reliant has the longest service life of any Starfleet vessel though
Very well done sir. Accurate and done in an easy manner that flows well. Can't wait to see more.
This was a Very Fun Watch.
In every following - each were Judged, by Pike and then Kirk.
Each with there own successes.
Pike. Kirk.
I admit that my M-5 was flawed. FAR regulations at the time were inflexible so I was rushed to get it ready. The Star Fleet interface was not up to the specifications I had requested. Subsequent tests with an improved HCI showed that the previous errors were easily correctable.
Shout out to James R Kirk
James R Kirk was.only used for the 2nd pilot.
It's been many years since I've bought a Star Trek source book, but the last one I got placed TMP in the year 2271 and Kirk's first 5-year mission had ended in 2269. and I dunno why some more recent sources have moved things about. But anyway from what I remember from my source books...Kirk took over in 2271 and following the V'Ger incident he commanded a second 5-year mission which ended in 2276. Spock was then promoted to captain and took command in 2277 and was training cadets until his death in 2285 as seen in TWOK.
Right you are. I think what throws off a lot of people is that the events of The Motion Picture are supposed to take place a couple of years or so after the Original Series, but because it was filmed over eleven years later, the actors seemed to have aged that much. Then on the timeline, the Wrath of Khan is supposed to take place much later, like fourteen years after the V'Ger incident, but the actors have now only aged by two and a half years, and the ship still looks the same, so even with new uniforms, it throws off the casual viewers perception unless they are intimately acquainted with the Star Trek narrative.
Icheb specifically stated that Kirk’s five year mission ended in 2270 in a Voyager episode.
The autobiography of James T Kirk says he was demoted originally after pulling rank to get command and then promoted to fleet captain (a desk job) so initially retired. Was reinstated as admiral once his opponent left.
The second demotion was because they wanted to keep him around but still a symbolic punishment. As you can see by generations he says don't let them promote you to Picard.
As for the ship it's described as the refitted Ni TO? That name is wrong but I don't have the book on hand to correct myself
The years between TMP and TWOK were filled in with Books and Comics, where they did indeed continue with Kirk in command.
Aren't non-tv and non-movie content considered noncanon in the eyes of the franchise?
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Very funb nerdy stuff. Very much enjoyed it and appreciate the effort it took to put it together
Pike, Kirk, served the longest, Archer served the longest as a pre UFP Starfleet Captain. Picard served the longest during the TNG DS9 VOY era.
Also, Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise says the Ti-Ho was the ship converted into the Enterprise after the Whale Crisis, so it and Yorktown are possible, but we'll probably never know 100% which ship it was.
MrHoppers002 well, TBF we only saw Pike in "The Cage/Menagerie" and he was still "active" Starfleet in "The Menagerie" so, maybe he was promoted right before his accident in TOS. We really don't know, outside of the handful of novels what sort of Captain he was. He did seem to make an impression on Kirk as Archer may have to both Kirk and Pike. Even Garth before he went cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs was considered a great starship Captain.
MrHoppers002 oh yeah, the New Voyages, I forgot about them, and I have the v1 trade lol. Yeah, no doubt Pike was decorated and a good Captain, but we sadly have no 'official' canon adventures about him before The Cage or after The Menagerie.
(I don't count STD as the prime universe, and seeing Pike on the Discovery would just depress me.)
MrHoppers002
There is actually an even more important reason why Paramount and CBS do not want any licensed products, especially those of literary relevance (novels and games), to be canon. If Paramount or CBS decided to adopt anything that was not originally created by an employee but by a contractor, they might have to pay royalties for each and every mention of this character or concept! So the Kzinti species from The Animated Series (TAS: "The Slaver Weapon") never found its way into any of the live series. The episode involving the Kzinti was written by Larry Niven, closely based on one of his novels (The Soft Weapon). Niven was irritated when Dean Foster wrote the novelization of the episode instead of himself, although he contradicts the common rumor that he threatened legal actions against Paramount. Nevertheless it seems that Paramount preemptively banned the Kzinti from canon Star Trek, as well they prohibited their use in licensed works in at least three cases (Kzinti at Memory Alpha). Still, it was planned to finally include them in the fifth season of Enterprise. Another prominent example is the character of T'Pol, who was named T'Pau in the draft of the series. But TPTB cautiously changed it to T'Pol in order to avoid the due credit to the author of TOS: "Amok Time", Theodore Sturgeon, in every episode. T'Pau was eventually included in the Vulcan arc on Star Trek Enterprise, though.
Star Trek writers are expected to be creative and not perfect librarians (something that is largely left to the fans and particularly Memory Alpha today after Richard Arnold and later the Okudas used to fill that role). With 600+ hours of TV it is already extremely hard to come up with stories that are original and still not in contradiction to previous installments. Without the help of the Star Trek Encyclopedia and other reference works as well as of their colleagues and editors a writer would find himself lost in a confusing maze of facts that must be taken into account. This would become many times as complicated if they additionally had to take into account all novels. All of them because where could a line be drawn? And what about the games? They establish many facts as well. At some point it wouldn't be possibly any longer to insert new data because the adventures would fill many lifetimes of characters or ships, with incalculable inconsistencies.
Very informative on the enterprise ships and looking forward to the next video
The black admiral in the Search for Spock said enterprise was 20 years old.
There's just one problem with that if the enterprise was built in 2245 and destroyed in 2285 that means that when it was destroyed the enterprise was 40.
I remember sitting in the theater when I heard the admiral say the Enterprise was 20 years old. I wanted to stand up and correct him! Roddenberry had been pushed aside by that point.
@@wadebarnett2542 And Spock calls the Eugenics Wars WW3. Continuity errors are inevitable in projects this big
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awesome video. going to watch part 2 right away.
Don't forget the conversation McCoy had with Kirk during his "birthday" in WofK. "This is not about age, and you know it. Its about you flying a damn computer console, when you wanna be out there hopping galaxies". Seems the Admiral in addition to adding his two cents on the Kobiashi Maru, spends most of his time in the office. While its not unheard of for flag officers to keep their own ship. It would make sense that Enterprise would be a flag ship of the Admirals yet assigned to cadet training. Something the US navy used to do quite often. While obviously Spock is their teacher and Captain. Anytime Kirk wants a ride as an Admiral he does get to pick his own ship.
I look forward to part 2.
Have to be more specific for some people commodore decker took over for a very short time not even a full mission when Kirk was over his ship trying to get it running and he took Command trying to fight the doomsday machine
Decker was a commodore but was clearly in command of his ship in the Doomsday Weapon episode. Further, an admiral typically picks a flagship to operate from (though they usually also have a flag captain to actually run the ship while they perform fleet operations). Given that Star Trek usually shows ships operating as singletons, it could be that a flag officer acts as captain of the ship due to their overall command of the ship's missions.
TMP was given a stardate: 7413.4, immediately following the arrival of Spock. TWOK was dated 8130.3 (during Saavik's Kobayashi Maru test).
This is a really excellent overview of future history...
I think it’s amazing that someone figured out the timeline. I wondered but never looked up.
Kirk could have commanded another Ship after the NCC-1701's first 5 yr mission. When Decker says 'You haven't logged any star time in 2 years..' The Motion Picture could take place around 2280. Since Kirk and the rest looked about 10 yrs older.
The movie most likel takes place in 2272 or 2273 depending on when the 5y mission ended. It could also be as late as 2278 but not later because of the uniforms.
They are shown in a TNG episode where the ENT-D is trapped in a time loop with another ship that sits there since 2278 with the crew using the same red uniforms used since WoK. Even memory alpha states it only being on the 2270s and don't give an exact date.
I wish they had mentioned explicitly in TMP something about Will Decker's father, I always thought that was a missed opportunity to tie itself back into TOS.
All he had to say, before Will gives the line " ...I want this." is "I don't want to loose you like I lost your father."
It wasn't offically part of movie lore but in books his father was Matt Decker from the Doomsday Machine. It's been accepted by fans as continuity
@@shanehickenbottom3458 Oh wow i havent gotten that far in the novels, but thank for posting, I never knew for sure... :)
A really great video i enjoyed it
I know you are referring to "captain" as the literal captain/CO of the vessel, but technically Scotty also achieved the rank of captain while serving on the Enterprise.
To be fair, if he counted individuals who simply had the rank of captain, then there would be way more than just 2 parrs
Haven't even watched yet and I'm already running with Picard, TNG has the longest series and the movies ended w him as Captain years after of the Enterprise E.
Wow I wasnt even close, Kirk with near 18 years? 😮
Kirk went back to the Mirror Universe and ruled the galexy!
In the Voyager episode Q2, Icheb mentioned that there 9a second 5yr mission for James T. Kirk AFTER TMP....
I have always speculated that after the motion picture or shortly thereafter spot was promoted to Captain and then years later, the Enterprise was assigned to training Duty under the supervision of Admiral Kirk, and perhaps before reassignment to training Duty the Enterprise went on select missions as ordered by Admiral Kirk with Captain Spock commanding.
I had always assumed there was a more clear cut version of the history of the Enterprise. Perhaps they like it vague so they can add
great vid :)
the animated series in the mid to late 70's might shed some light on this.
Good thing that the Federation has plenty of funds building a starship with the size of two cities.
"Funds" do not exist in the Star Trek universe. The economy is resource-based. Currency no longer exists.
Money doesnt exist in the 23rd century.
The longest serving captain on the Enterprises was Captain Slog, He is mentioned in nearly every episode " Captain Slog Stardate 2365.7 etc :)
Haha Captain Slog sounds like a Star Wars character🙂
The men who designed the final Constitution class starship were Picassos
Decker and Stocker did not assume command for a mission - both assumed command under regulations as the most senior officer aboard during A) a combat situation and B) the entire command crew had been infected by an aging virus
Scotty distinctly calls the Enterprise A a "new" ship during his log entry at the beginning of ST V; there is nothing to suggest it was a refitted old ship. Most books comment that it was a newly completed ship that was quickly renamed. However, it is correct to say that the new Excelsior class was the ship all the up-and-comers wanted (as Sulu alluded) so, I agree, it was a mild additional loss of status for Kirk to be given what was then an 'average' starship.
in Star Trek V, the Enterprise a was made to look as a worn-out vessel desperately needing upgrades. It was a 2nd chance new ship for the crew, and an engineer's delight for Scotty to do repairs on.
There were a great many things dates and such that were in the Star Trek chronology and Star Trek Encyclopedia
ACTUALLY IF YOU LISTEN TO STAR TREK III. COMMANDER STARFLEET SAID "JIM, THE ENTERPRISE IS 20 YEARS OLD SHE WILL NEVER TAKE THE POUNDING." That is a direct quote from the movie. Kirk then told those that were involved in rescue of CAPT SPOCK, The word is no I am there for going anyway.
Demoting him, putting him on an old ship abd sending him off into the backalley of the galaxy seems hardly a punishment for Kirk. Guess Starfleet Command knew how to "punish" him and still giving him what he wants.
A demotion is a punishment to many, but they knew how much Kirk loved being a captain, so it was also a reward for saving Earth from the whale probe. That's at least how I see it.
DaftRyosuke Is there any other way to see besides that? They weren’t exactly subtle about it.
Starfleet did it for political reasons. Remember, the Klingons were in an uproar and wanted Kirk
Can't wait for more!!!! there's a horrible lack of info on all the ships after A and before D. would love to see a show cover the adventures of the Enterprise J, the universe class. It was so amazing
deadphishiy the Enterprise J from that small clip isn't really counted as an Enterprise, as there's absolutely no info on it, and due to the Enterprise era Temporal War, there's a chance the J never existed.
MrHoppers002 yup, Shame that the novels that cover those "lost years" aren't canon, most were pretty good, like exactly what Kirk did pre TMP while the refit went on, what Harriman did after the Nexus incident, Demora Sulu eventually made CO I think, and a little bit on Rachel Garrett and the Enterprise C, it's been a while since I read those novels.
2:47 how? this discovery episode was just aired in 2019. how did you have images and plot 6 months early? what media did i miss that gave it away?
Agent Kel'vin, Temporal Investigations.
Nothing to see here.
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3:35- I feel the same way about Commander William T. Riker
Thank you for adding the T.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the various Captains of the various Enterprise's and who Captained Her the longest which was Captain Pike if I'm correct, A job very nicely well done indeed Sir!👌.
Kirk would of used the Enterprise as as a flag ship as he would have any choice of ships he wanted. He eventually passed command onto Spock his friend who he trusted.
One thing to note Archer did not test pilot the warp 5 engine.. He test drove the warp 2.5 engine. This was before the enterprise was created (The first warp 5 engine) I would point you to episode S02E24 of enterprise.
Edit:While thinking about it being the captain I guess could fall under test pilot.... maybe.
As a flag officer, Admirals get to pick their flagships. If Kirk is flying a desk, Starfleet should not have a problem letting him keep command of Enterprise.
"My god, Bones. What have I done?"
-James T. Kirk (STIII: The Search for Spock)
Nice video.
Man. I wish I had your Star Trek image folder.
The autobiography of James T. Kirk calms that spoke commanded the Enterprise for a 5 year mission after Kirk was removed by Starfleet.
There were reference books written years ago (in the 1990’s I believe?) one of which, Michael Okuda helped write called “The Star Trek Encyclopedia” & “Mr. Scott’s Guide to the Enterprise”. Both had references to the Enterprise A Originally being named the USS Ti-Ho and rechristened the Enterprise A. A few guides also written during that same time (I’ve forgotten their names) also stated that Kirk was promoted to Fleet Captain Originally (like Pike), then to Admiral. But, after the events of Star Trek the Motion Picture & the LODD of “Captain” Decker, he kept command of the Enterprise for another 5 year mission, then Captain Spock took command a number of years prior to the TWOK events.
Like I stated in the beginning...these were written in the 90’s, before the internet & memory Alpha/Beta took over 😉
See, that's what *I* remember - that the ENTERPRISE-A was a renamed U.S.S. TI-HO, which I believe was a new ship altogether, that had been renamed when it was given to Kirk as a sort of 'thanks' for his exemplary service (despite the token' but down back to Captain, which was more of a slap on the risk for disobeying Starfleet regulations and to "mollify" the Klingons rather than a real punishment). And that's still the way I accept it, and I was surprised when it wasn't thusly surprised in this video, since I still accepted this as canon.
Even before watching I say Kirk Captain then Admarial back to captain.
I tend to subscribe to what the Marvel Comics Star Trek The New Voyages (Five Year Mission set after the Motion Picture) had established. In the final issue, Kirk is being pressured by Admiral Morrow to take up the Admiralty again to which he flat out refuses. During the course of the issue Kirk stumbles onto a cadet ship which was attacked by an unknown alien. It is later revealed that the cadet ship attack the aliens first under some delusions of what would Kirk do. After settling things with diplomacy, Kirk takes the Admirals rank again but as Commandant of the Academy. He promotes Spock as captain of the Enterprise and reassigns them to the Academy.
I tend to Ignore a LOT of what Moore and Braga did for MOST of Kirk's backstory in Generations as it tends to fly in the face of Kirk's character without ANY sort of context or exposition.
Hi, replying to this 10 months later, but I'm curious: did Kirk step down to Captain for this 5 year mission? Either way it sounds interesting, I think I'll seek this comic out.
@@rogeralmon Sorry for responding 4 months late, better late than never. Basically, Kirk took a rank reduction to Captain at the start of The Motion Picture. He stated to Decker that his rank reduction was temporary, implying that once the crisis was over he would regain his rank. I would speculate he'd regain of command of the Enterprise afterward but that all changed when Decker merged with V'Ger. At the end of TMP Kirk is still referred to as Captain and he tells Sulu to go "thataway" which leads to the "Untold Voyages" comic. It isn't until the beginning of the 5th issue where he's being pestered by Starfleet to take an Admiral's rank again.
Interesting side note, in the 1992 Peter David story "Debt of Honor" set after STV, one of the flashbacks takes place just after the end of The Motion Picture where the Enterprise is surveying the damaged caused in V'Ger's wake, through that they stumble across the main plot of that book story.
@@rogeralmon I wanted to add that there's an issue or two of DC Trek comics in the mid-80's (an Annual I think) where it covered the last adventure at the end of the Five Year Mission. It involved Kirk & Co. saving Talos 4 from the Klingons. It had Pike, Vina and introduced Decker. I don't remember the context but Kirk took the promotion to Admiral, McCoy retired and Spock left for Vulcan to undertake the Kolinar vowing to never return. The issue ends with Kirk on the bridge alone taking the gold Enterprise plaque with him as he leaves.
If you haven't seen it I would highly recommend watching Star Trek Continues on youtube. Episodes 10 & 11 called "To Boldly Go" is what I consider the ending of TOS. I would compare it to TNG's "All good Things..." in terms of the series coming full circle, giving you reasons why Kirk, Spock, & McCoy make the decisions they made and bridges the gap to The Motion Picture.
MrTonyForever I absolutely adore Star Trek Continues, especially that finale. I kind of want to watch it again, actually, as it definitely serves as a perfect ending to TOS. You have my curiosity about that comic as well, I’d like to find that. I have a CD-ROM that supposedly has all the old Star Trek comics on it, so it might be on there somewhere.
@@rogeralmon Star Trek Annual #2. I want to say it came out around the time Watchmen comic was being released. (Mid-80's)
I love Star Trek Continues as well. You could almost feel the shift from TOS to TMP in the final 15 minutes. The final moment with Kirk alone with the Enterprise was fitting. Vic Mignogna actually had me picturing Shatner in that final scene.
The 1701 Enterprise is 20 years old at the start of STIII, according to the Admiral who comes aboard to address the crew.
What about all the time travel Kirk's done? I'm exhausted just thinking about the ramifications of Kirk's time travels.
The fact that kirk got promoted all the way to admiral despite his sheer irresponsibility blows my mind.
It is a little silly seeing how Admiral would have gone on a journey for so long. But then again I was never fan of some movies. I like to think that Pike was the longest serving captain of the Enterprise (regardless whether it was original or A - it was a "minor refit" after all ;D ). I also like Archer, because he was first and had to do everything without the many rules other had.
I think its best to follow the SF Debris example and just ignore TMP and Final Frontier as being cannon. Its best to pretend those two movies never happened
Pike would have served a good 11 years. Kirk seems to have had 3 five year missions roughly, going to teach at SF academy around 2279. Then another mission on the Enterprise-A.
nice vid
Archer served the longest he was an admiral in the mid 23rd century(Kelvin timeline)
For your own sake don't mention the Kelvin time line
Fernando Queiroz Popovic Hey, technically it’s still canon. Although Admiral Archer would have been 140 year old if he was alive, the 2009 film never referenced him being alive. It only says “Admiral Archer’s prized beagle,” it’s possible Archer had a beagle that managed to outlive him. A writer for Enterprise said that that a 132 year old Archer died at his home in upstate New York in the year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening ceremony of the first Federation starship Enterprise (at least in the prime timeline.)
Going off of this, it’s reasonable to assume that Archer COULD HAVE survived an extra 7 years in the kelvin timeline. OR, it’s also very possible that he was dead in the kelvin timeline, and only his beagle was still alive when Scotty beamed it away. Of course, scotty’s beaming incident happened likely a few years before the events of the 2009 film, so it’s entirely possible that in the Kelvin Timeline Archer had another beagle in the final years of his life, died in 2245 at 132 years old, and then 3 years after Scotty accidentally beamed it away.
Now, I think it’s impossible that this beagle is Porthos. One of the writers for Star Trek 2009 said that it was, but I’m pretty sure he was joking in the interview with this statement, or it at least wasn’t meant to be taken seriously... Porthos is referenced as dying in the Enterprise book “Patterns of Interference,” (which isn’t canon, but is a lot more realistic than assuming it was a 125 year old dog...) Again, I think it’s most likely Archer just had another beagle in the last years of his life. They never CALL the dog Porthos in the 2009 movie, again they just say “prized beagle.”
Anyways, there’s some sense put to Archer’s age and the reference from the JJ Abrams movie! It surprisingly actually fits in well.
John Sledge We are not considering a more likely possibility. Jonathan Archer had roughly 100 years to marry, have a child who grew up with pet Beagles, and as the son/daughter of the most famous Starfleet explorer, rose to the rank of Admiral, and had a pet Beagle which Scotty beamed away.
@@calvinhandley2373 very true, as of right now it’s just left to our imaginations.
I only watched a few episodes of Enterprise but the first episode I watched I saw a bootstrap paradox in the opening. They showed different ships over the years that were named Enterprise. In that they include the space shuttle Enterprise, well that shuttle was named after the space ship Enterprise NCC1701 from TOS. So in the show Enterprise the shuttle should not exist because NX-01 came before NCC1701. That makes it a bootstrap paradox, or from Doctor Who's explanation who wrote Beethoven's Fifth.
During the time wars Captain Archer was shown the Enterprise 1701 J. According to Captain Picard the "NX-01 is a Museum" its final Captain was T'Pol According to( a relative) Sarek
Admiral James T Kirk did not take command of Enterprise, he was in a training position at Starfleet Academy until star Trek II because he was the senior officer on a training mission with a group of recruits. It was standard procedure once they went on duty for him to assume command because he was senior to Spock. Trust me I love star trek II, it is my favorite movie.
In a real-life situation, Kirk would be insanely controversial for continually pulling rank to do a job that, by all accounts, is beneath his rank as an admiral. He'd get a ton of criticism for slacking on his duties in order to "run around the Galaxy in a ship"
That's something I want to see in a piece of Trek media.
Great video
Good effort trying to jerry-rig the abhorrent mess that is discovery into the prime timeline 👍🏻
Archer was the FIRST , AND THE ORIGINAL CDR ! LOVED THAT SERIES ! EVEN THOUGH THEY SCREWED THIS SERIES AFTER SEASON 3 !
Commodore Decker is widely considered to be Captain Will Decker's father.
Yes. Matthew Decker was the father of Captain Willard Decker.
I was always led to believe the A was a brand new re- named Enterprise class
I would also like to interject that ncc-1701 a was not a refit of the USS Yorktown... it is stated that of the original 13 constitution-class Cruisers that the Enterprise was the only one to return to space dock... 1701 a was built from the ground up as the USS Atlantis, when Kirk was demoted back to the rank of Captain they re-named the ship Enterprise..
Kirk's final log entry at the conclusion of Star Trek 6 indicates it was expected that another crew would some day be assigned the Enterprise A. Starships aren't like terrestrial seagoing vessels. They don't collect barnacles or rust. They are shells that can be upgraded.
No, Uhura reported from the bridge that the Enterprise was to be decommissioned. Everyone gets a bit teary eyed then Spock says, "If I were human I'd say, Go to hell. If I were human."
I do wonder though if the ship was kept as a museum ship.
Of the Enterprise in her original (more or less) configuration and older canon.
April did one five year mission. Pike did two. Kirk did one, supposedly the one that made the Enterprise famous. Now between each of these five year missions is the time it took to return to Earth and refit time. Also Kirk had command of the Enterprise before his "historic 5 Year Mission." At least two years I think, certainly one year. So it's not a simple matter of dividing those five year missions between the captains and the age of the Enterprise.
Personally? I'd like to think StarFleet remembered a flag ship is supposed to have a flag officer on board so Kirk just claimed The Enterprise as his Flagship, even if he wasn't it's captain.
AlucardNoir I don’t think that is always the case.
Daniel O'Donovan
Yeh but it seems like a Kirk thing to do.
Daniel O'Donovan True, but the alternative is that of "the most important ship relative to a group". Basically, SF in general, and Star Trek in particular, NEVER use the term "flagship" Correctly.
Well, TNG might; if we assume Picard is a full blown Federation Diplomat and he's not just there as the Captain of the ship on behalf of Starfleet but also as a Federation Ambassador or first contact diplomat... but since that's never stated in the show that's just headcannon.
Then again, in real life Admirals **never** actually captain a ship, so the misuse of flagship is far from the most egregious mistake in Trek.
A commodore or admiral only needs to be present when a flagship is leading a group of ships on an operation. In emergency situations a captain can fill that role. That's why the Enterprise, despite being the flagship of the federation, retains a captain as it's commanding officer most of the time. Admiral Kirk could in theory retain command of an outdated ship if his position requires that he moves around a lot, such vessels appear to be quite common in Star Trek alpha lore as most admirals command ships such as Excelsiors during the TNG era. Since the Constitution class was outdated by the time of TMP and Wrath of Khan, it's a plausible theory in my mind.
Admirals wouldn't be flying around exploring things, they'd be busy with senior leadership roles in Starfleet.
"These ships were captained by equally adept commanding officers.." as well as Jonathan Archer.
I would think considering that current US aircraft carriers have a 50 year life cycle that starships should have a 100 year life.
I would think they would be able to serve 30-50 years on the frontier with a major refit at the 25 year mark. At the 50 year mark I see another major refit followed by scaling back duties into an auxiliary fleet and training.
I THINK THAT DURING THOSE "MISSING YEARS," NCC-1701 was first refitted and transferred to Starfleet Training Command. Spock was promoted and served as C.O., with Kirk reserving his right to use it as his Personal Flagship, but it probably didn't go too far from Earth until the Genesis Crisis, when Spock voluntarily (actually insisted upon) relinquished Command back to Kirk.
"Flag Ships" traditionally are the ship where an Admiral may coordinate a Fleet, Flotilla, or Task Force from, while the Captain is the commanding Officer of the ship itself. (Think of it as is "mobile office")
Yes, that would seem to have happened around 2280-85.
In life spans Archer was the longest lived of the Captains. Doctor MCCoy was 135 on TNG.
you shoulda started the timeline in the days of wooden ships those ships are enterprise too and part of star trek cannon
I'd say Johnathan Archer was the longest Captain! Serving 10 year's.
No way in hell will humans have anything like the nx01 by 2151. Nice dream, though.
We are working on a constitution class starship now