For perhaps the first time in a very long time, we have arrived at the point where men and women don't need each other anymore. For society to function, women need lots of men around, but a given woman doesn't need her own man. For civilization to continue, men need lots of women around, but a given man doesn't need his own woman. In this episode, I discuss some of the consequences of replacing necessity with desire. Social Media Facebook: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090053889622 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/orion-taraban-070b45168/ Instagram: instagram.com/psyc.hacks Twitter: twitter.com/oriontaraban Website: oriontarabanpsyd.com Orion's Theme: ua-cam.com/video/WrXBzQ2HDEQ/v-deo.html Thinking of going to grad school? Check out STELLAR, my top-rated GRE self-study program based on the world's only empirically-validated test prep system. Use the code "PSYCH" for 10% off all membership plans: stellargre.com. Become a Stellar affiliate and earn a 10% commission for every membership purchased by a new student you conduct into the program: stellargre.tapfiliate.com. GRE Bites: www.youtube.com/@grebites4993 Become a Psychonaut and join PsycHack's member community: ua-cam.com/channels/SduXBjCHkLoo_y9ss2xzXw.htmljoin Book a paid consultation: oriontarabanpsyd.com/consultations Sponsor an episode: oriontarabanpsyd.com/sponsor-an-episode Sound mixing/editing by: valntinomusic.com Presented by Orion Taraban, Psy.D. PsycHacks provides viewers with a brief, thought-provoking video several days a week on a variety of psychological topics, inspired by his clinical practice. The intention is for the core idea contained within each video to inspire viewers to see something about themselves or their world in a slightly different light. The ultimate mission of the channel is to reduce the amount of unnecessary suffering in the world. #psychology #men #women
What you're advocating is permanent inceldom for millions/billions of men. Putting the emotional/companionship desire to one side, if men don't need women there's going to be a 90 - 95 percent drop in men wanting sexual relationships with women. Women don't want men so they're going to have casual sex with chad lite and chad. Sub 7 men have no chance. Once the sex is over the women don't want chad lite or chad. Maybe the women might want them for child support in the event they have a child but that's all. We will end up with billions of men having to pay for sex (or getting super advanced AI sex dolls). Sounds nightmarish to me! But maybe if you buy shares in the AI sex dolls companies you might make a healthy profit. 🤭
I dated a girl with two kids whose fathers had left. Taught them their letters, took them to the park, spent time playing imaginative games. Clothed them, paid most the bills. Still wasn't enough. She never appreciated it. Now I'm single and happier than ever!
I've been saying this for years. When your marriage is necessary for your survival it's really easy to overlook your spouse's shortcomings. When your marriage is a luxury, it's hard to put up with anything less than perfection.
I discovered this channel yesterday and I'm devouring all of its content. I'm an "ugly duckling", so I didn't have much "practical" experience with men, as I ended up focusing my life on other things. In no way did I consider you a misogynist. Some women simply refuse to accept the reality of the facts. Men and Women are different and I personally find that fascinating. I don't want another woman. I appreciate masculine men and I realized that I need to improve my communication with men and take my share of the responsibility. I hope one day to come back here to share your advices worked and that I found a decent guy to make him happy. P.S. Sorry for my English. It's not my mother tongue.
@@Randomizer92mx well friend, you didn't understand the concept of "ugly duckling" that doc explained. I am not saying I see myself as ugly or people usually see me as ugly currently. "Ugly duckling" it is other than "Ugly".
Honestly this is the same for friendships. That's why loyalty is so difficult to find these days. People simply don't need to rely on each other anymore. We aren't in a tribe or out hunting for our survival..... Relying on each other to live. People come into your life when you have something they can benefit from and quickly leave when you don't.
Indeed. Thought I had a friend but the moment I hit rough waters in my life, that friend was gone. Now, when life is normal again, he comes back, expecting things to go back to the way they were. Nope, dude, you showed your true colors.
a lot of people need friends on a constant basis just so they can feel superior. that is a "benefit" a lot of people don't notice in their otherwise healthy friendships.
@@immortaljanus same here. I used to play the super loyal friend role until I realized all my friends were actually playing by different set of rules. Now I mostly focus on my own life. I consider people to be acquaintances at best
@@allenlin7333 absolutely agree.... Some people keep friends around because it makes them feel good to know a lot of people. I find that people who have tons of friends are a bit fake and that their relationships are very superficial.
When meeting someone, I am often first asked what do you do for a living. Why not just ask, how can you be useful to me, so I can decide if I want to be friendly to you?
The most intriguing conversation I’ve heard in years! 47 years old, never married, no children. Entirely agree with the “illusion” of optionality. Amazing insights.
Illusion of options so big that a person is writing to thousands just to receive validation but a single person is considerated unsecure. That's bs....talking about masses
@heyyashleyyy2669 where did he say women are the problem? And what is going so poorly in your world that you feel compelled to take jabs at a stranger on the internet?
I think what the manosphere (at least the positive bits of it) are helping men do are: - Helping men set themselves as their own mental point of origin - Growing men's awareness to help themselves identify what is in their best self-interest
this is the case with anything unless you mention negative stuff about straight white men (best if they're conservative Christians too). It doesn't even have to be true, say what you want. But if you state any fact that isn't positive about any other demographic then you are istophobic
I personally don't try to escape it.. instead I embrace the title. Women that have a problem with my misogyny can kick rocks but typically they eat it up instead...lmao
Sure there is. Ask her to define misogyny. I guarantee that she can't, nor point to a specific statement that properly aligns with the definition. They're just spitting out pre programmed feminist "logic."
Doc, I’ve also noticed a decline in men’s overall motivation to aspire for bigger things in life or gain resources. In my opinion, this may be due to the fact that the average man is becoming mostly obsolete, so most are rationalizing that they don’t have to go far and beyond anymore to be able to provide for a family. I think we largely underestimate how motivational women can be in men’s drive for success. This makes a lot of sense from an evolutionary perspective, the more needed men feel in their respective societies, the more they’re willing to dispose themselves for the greater good. Our current society has largely removed those incentives for men, it’s as if they’re completely dropping out of society and it’s sad to witness. I don’t see any solution for this problem en masse. Technology and our modern day societies have largely replaced men, and now they’re even more expandable.
Solution for men: get with women of lower economic levels than them or even travel to other countries. Solution for women: There's no solution besides pets, cats, dogs, lesbianism, and sharing a top man with several women. Because God knows they won't settle for an average man. 😂
I don't think people realize the huge pyramid 'traditional marriage' has built modern society today. People fulfilling these roles keep everything together. As this collapses this social 'supply chain' will disappear and all these crazy technological marvels will disappear.
This will continue to an even bigger extent. I have a feeling that everything masculine is being labeled as toxic, obsolete, or simply redefined as unisex. Competitiveness leads to the rat race or generally anxiety-driven behavior, stoicism is bad because it interferes with emotional regulation, rationality - well, women can also be rational. Strength? Technology will solve any strength issue. I can go on and on with examples. It looks like men are a danger not only to women but also to other men. All this brings me to a sad realization that we need to find a way to justify masculinity. If not, it will be soon rational to exclude it completely.
I am 47 years old married for 22 years. It is thanks to your videos that I manage to understand myself and my spouse! you make me laugh every time because you are precise, fair and say the things that need to be said. well done !
Not all women take money from govt. I pay a ton of taxes and rarely get any benefits from govt. I’m in Canada so I get healthcare but it’s garbage. But I don’t get any govt payments my income is too high.
@@Mike-dz4vqgoiajdpgoiadj-9 Told a girl I had a height minimum of 5ft, that she cleared, because I dont want my future son to face ridcule. She got mad as fuck, even though she herself has a height minimum. You cant make this shit up
@@marcusplenty1153I told a broad that I enforced a weight maximum (130 lbs) when screening women and she got pissed even though she had a height minimum for men (6’4”), an income requirement (150k) and a penis requirement (6.5”). You can’t make this shit up.
💯 I'm married, with kids and have everything going good... Still when I say something that they don't agree with...how dare you...🥴... So a lot of times it's just jealous, envy, knowing you f*cked up big time, projection... bc you are their mirror of erroneous behavior...boomerang of accountability...and that's 🤬 impossible to take for a low value woman...
You'll always be labelled as a misogynist any time you speak up for men in any way. Even if what you say is true, spoken In a polite tone, and doesn't put women down. It will always be interpreted as bitter hate speech.
Misogynistic is a misplaced buzz word that applies to almost no one. Who has actually met a man that actually has hatred for women? I sure as hell haven't. Its the word women use to shutdown a conversation when they have no actual rebuttal to an argument or criticism against them.
When I saw women graduating from college, getting good jobs, and then traveling and spending their discretionary incomes, that is when I realized that when you remove the economic gain of marrying a man then women no longer had desires or needs to get married. They can take care of themselves economically when this was probably 90% of the reason they wanted to get married in the first place. But now they are fun and support themselves.
One of the conclusions we can draw from this is that feminism would go extinct if we ran out of electricity for more than 24 hours. The closer we are to raw survival, the faster men and women reassume their assigned gender roles. As a Brazilian who spent some years in rural Brazil and then moved to a big city in the US, I can see how such a large social gap between both places affects intersexual dynamics. No wonder that the Passport Bros movement is becoming a thing. However, many of those guys are delusional. Why? They tend to pedestalize foreign women, portraying them as an "ideal of femininity," but, in the end, they're all women. They're all hypergamists. Women in those unfortunate places tend to be more feminine because there's a need implied to that behavior. Give these foreign women a green card and an address in Chicago, NY, or the Bay Area, and, assuming they can function as average citizens, voilá: they'll act like your regular American woman sooner or later.
Yeah, they got spoiled with the convenience of modern life and started to think they can survive without men. Take away all their conveniences and watch them crawl back.
Although you're right that in those liberal cities, they have a worse chance, not all of those foreign women become Westernized. The divorce statistics are pretty good for foreign women as well. But yeah if you're the bottom of you barrel in the USA and you bring back a 9, she will be able to see pretty quickly that there are better looking and richer men that will give her attention. But I know of several long lasting marriages with foreign women. But those women were good women before they left their countries.
One thing I see quite regularly when shopping are examples of the older couple where the woman is obviously the boss and the man just a helper. Neither looks particularly happy or content, maybe they are still together from habit, financial reasons or some other practical reason. But observing them makes me glad I'm not in such a situation.
I have seen this mall mules God love them I was married for 20 years 2 nervous breakdowns over a mental delusional creature that was more a demon than human single now and enjoying life again
I've been saying this for a while, that need and want are two very different things. As society changes and morphs with the evolving culture, so do intersexual dynamics. Love this video and your explanation. You're the only psychologist I've found who talks about these things and relates it all back to mental health and how to cope or even thrive in these conditions. I'd like to integrate these insights in my own practice eventually too.
Most psychologists are women and they lack abstract thinking. Interestingly, women as a group are net tax burdens so they do need men via government but the reverse cannot be said. Half of gen x women are single and childless because nature is punishing them. Meanwhile, marriage, sex and childbirth rates are at all time lows and women hate their unconstitutional Affirmative Action jobs. 🧛♀️: "Thanks for, like, adding value."
There is no intersexual dynamics! Women are on their own thus laws and how we live going forward needs to change. Daily men by the 1000s want nothing more than law changes! We not your pieces of sh1t and owe women nothing. Intersexual dynamics existed before women walked away in the 70s! Women are not an oppressed class and we tired of women making life miserable for everyone around them. No man wants interaction with women, change is here and it's going to look very different to women's socialist utopia you've pushed.
I remarked this so someone only a few weeks ago. Because of labour-saving devices, the welfare state, independent access to resources and artificial insemination, women don't need men any more. After artificial wombs become available, sexbots become refined and AI becomes a substitute for relationships, men won't need women any more either.
I met a crazy woman on a dating app, which is most women on dating apps, who took issue with something I said. I explained that I didn't intend it that way. Her response was literally that my intention didn't matter. These broads have been poisoned by feminism. They've created a paradise where they're always the victim and men are always guilty, regardless of intention. No point in trying to reason with crazy.
'I met a woman in a dating app'. See, there's your first mistake: why are you wasting time and energy on dating apps? They're rigged completely for women. You should be doing something far more productive with your time.
Stop talking to crazy women. And if you say all Women are crazy, then you’re the problem. It’s like feminists saying all men are mysogonist. We all know that’s absurd!
In women's minds intention is never important. What's important in their minds is the result. If the result is that she's hurt by the truth than you're evil. If the result is that she's happy by you lying to her and she kind of finds out but is not hurt then you're God. With men, intention matters. With women, results matter
Dude finally you put all the pieces together of all of the things that have been troubling me all year. I love the feeling of being needed because desire seems so fickle but I need to let go of that if I'm to ever have a good relationship again
Women for generations felt exactly the same - they needed men because they couldn't work, yet men commonly left their loyal wives of 20 years for the young secretary. Desire IS fickle - and men took total advantage of that, now they are starting to feel just a tiny taste of what women endured for so long. We SHOULD be talking about how this sucks and how to solve it, and how we will become better partners BECAUSE we understand how it feels to be on the receiving end of hurt - but nope, sadly, people just engage in the oppression olympics...
What women have become and offer as a mate, is increasingly undesired. What society now offers women is increasingly replacing what men provided as a mate. Add to this the dangers men could face when interacting with women. And the list goes on. It's down hill for traditional relationships.
@letgo4331 statistically, men face more danger from other men than women ever will. It's in most mens nature to self-sacrifice for women. Please get enlightened before once again blaming men for womens poor choices.
I’m an older guy. When I hear young a women or man say they don’t need each other it greatly saddens me. Of course we don’t financially need each other. But on a human level, the relationship between a man & women can be one of the most beautiful things in life. We all need each other. Don’t buy the BS from heartless, power seeking people. They are empty shells.
@@letgo4331It is grossly unfair to say that men cause the divide My whole life I've heard women belittle women with very little good to say about them, while the men have tried to become what women want, because they themselves want women. And to this day a lot of women are still blaming men for everything (yourself included). I don't know what it's like where you are, but that's been my experience. So from my perspective I can't see how men are the Ines causing a divide when it is women being the most judgemental and complaining the most, while doing the least
This video explains why terms like "hoeflation" are popping up.... people are maximizing their wants in the pursuit of relationship since needs are less urgent. Orion Taraban has a cool Sci-Fi ring to it. An intergalactic doctor who appears when a neutron star formed, helping to reconnect the fragmented souls in the astral plane.
The truth hurts sometimes. Sometimes, the truth is unfavorable to women, but sometimes, it's unfavorable to men. That's just life. I'm glad that we're finally getting to the point where people can actually be honest with one another, regardless of whether or not it hurts someone's feelings.
Thank you for your insightful videos on modern intersexual interactions. I appreciate your non-biased, drama-free takes on the subject. We need more of this as opposed to hubris and drama-filled content the likes of Rollo, Whatever, Donovan, etc.
I found this video to be a necessary "back to basics" reset pep talk. A succinct, powerful and timely message. It's exactly what I needed to hear to put perspective and clarity on my own life situation. Thank you.
It’s the beginning of the end people. Brace for impact. As a man focus only on getting better and then choose only from the cream of the crop. Protect yourselves.
@@jabba0975 Little ice age coming around 2036, only the Smart, Strong and prepared will survive. It will weed out the weak idiots just as nature intended.
You’ve offered the most productive and empathetic advice in the manosphere. And you’ve pointed out a lot of very obvious things about society that nobody ever notices but really should. Your voice is also as soothing as it is authoritative. Which makes your brilliant perspectives impossible to not take seriously (well, if you’re not a raging feminist at least 😂). This particular lecture is very poignant because it explains a lot about why religious and traditional cultures still have high marriage rates and low divorce. And why richer more secular nations, the world over, not just in the West, are declining in this regard. But I have a more cynical view about why people don’t need each other or relationships in general. They’ve unfortunately been deceived by capitalism and consumerism far more than feminism. Believing that just because you have everything you need to survive is enough to make you feel complete or contented in any way, is the very height of narcissism. Financial independence and the illusion of endless choice has made many of us narcissists unfortunately, and that could be a possible cause for our delusions about not needing a romantic partner. Heck, many of us don’t even feel we need actual friends any more with the ridiculous amount of stimuli you could pay for in the comfort of your own home. I’m far from as erudite as you are though, and this is just my layman’s observation. But I’d be very keen to hear your take on mindless consumerism as a substitute for intimate human relationships and if mindfulness or something else could perhaps be a remedy for our collective self absorption. 😊
#13 Law of Power: When Asking for Help, Appeal to People’s Self-Interest, Never to their Mercy or Gratitude This goes for relationships as well. Need is a powerful bind made of steel, want is a single thread of silk.
@@letgo4331 Not at all. Women boast about being strong and independent and able to do everything a man can do, backwards and wearing high heels, and then arrange the legal system to give them money for their irresponsibility.
@@letgo4331no, they don't I can prove it by. We can take both a man and w woman and monetize their input. You say you want money for cooking a meal, I say I want money for being an emotional therapist. We can play that game, no problem.
@@letgo4331 I'm European, and assuming you're from the US, I think you're completely delusional. The stories one reads from the US are truly baffling. Like men dating single mothers a few times, and then ending up in courts run by feminist activists, resulting in them being required to pay child support. The term is "marriage like relationship", which has been embraced (and expanded) by feminist loony judges and ambulance chasing lawyers.
I remember sitting at a coffee shop with a friend describing this very theory about 10 years ago.. I was married at the time but really only staying because of our shared mortgage.. i didn't need her for anything, and she didn't need me either it was just financially cost effective to stay.
Personally I believe that when women decided to "not need men," their hope was to ultimately force men to have to do better to attract & retain women. However this actually forced men to become proficient in the tasks that we once depended on women to do for us. Now I believe that this has brought us back to the drawing board, so to speak. Because men no longer need women, because we now truly take care of ourselves for maybe the first time in history, men once again require women to do the tasks that they rebeled against back in the 60's. It's actually kinda funny if you think about it.
"Personally I believe that when women decided to "not need men," their hope was to ultimately force men to have to do better to attract & retain women." Exactly, and the good pscyhax guy keeps the simp level super high.
@@BOSSDONMANwell... xx.s may have all that on their own and alone, basically. with no gents' finger being lifted nor m.e.a.t. being 'in-wasted' to them as mere instances of adversity...
Your first sentence.... DING DING DING, that is correct, and I'm glad someone finally said it. Women used to be the ones that'd take care of our laundry, make our bed, take care of our children, keep our bellies fully, and keep our balls dry. Well, these days every single man I meet can cook - even BETTER than most women I know - they make their own beds and clean their own apartments. Men do their own laundry, and keep their libido in check by shifting that frustration and energy into hobbies, or just rubbing one out and continuing on. Ffs it's a STATISTICAL fact that a child raised by a single father turns out SIGNIFICANTLY better than growing up with a single mother, so it turns out men can also raise kids by themselves, and these kids won't turn out fucked up. There is zero need for women. Can't say the same for the opposite. I stopped dating over 6 years ago, and I couldn't be happier. I'm not even lonely, I've got my best buds to cure the loneliness. I channeled my sexual energy into the gym, and now I'm in the BEST shape that I've ever been in. Men are logical thinkers, and as such, I don't see american society ever going back to what it once was. Men have weighed out the pro's and cons, and we've realized that there is no pro to being with a woman.
"Need" is different than "optimal." As a currently single man that has been lucky to experience a few great long term relationships in the past, life IS better and more fulfilling when you have someone to share it with, no question.
I came to this same very conclusion. My father/grandfather didn't know how to fold their clothes, or do laundry, or cook scrambled eggs or anything, or take out the trash lol my grandmother did everything, my mother does EVERYTHING. It hit me when I realized that I've far surpassed the men in my family in being independent and if that's the case, the question needs to be raised.
Men can build an entire village, create roads, all the science and technology, etc. but men can’t fold clothes, scramble eggs, or do laundry. That doesn’t make any sense. They make anything complex but simple things such as scrambled eggs or do their laundry - that’s beyond a man’s capacity to comprehend or do. You are either trolling or rationalizing your inferiority complex.
Meanwhile, your (hypothetical) sisters are less knowledgeable than your Mom and Grandma in those aspects and are often increasingly unwilling to do those tasks for their husbands, because feminism taught them that it would be demeaning for them to do so. As a result, husbands have to step up to the plate and often do more than their wives nowadays (when it should really be 50/50 when both spouses are working the same number of hours).
We have arrived at an age where one can say "no relationship is better than an even potentially bad relationship." As mentioned in this video, people can survive and even thrive without a sexual/romantic relationship. And since one has to settle and cater to the needs and desires of their partner, If another person doesn't show signs that a relationship with them is going to help us achieve a goal (like having children) or signs that being with them is somehow going to improve both involved parties lives, at least by a small bit, then the optimal thing to do is to not even bother trying to form a relationship. Why attempt something that is probably going to be more trouble than it's worth, when the need doesn't exist? And in the case of marriage and procreation, the trouble can become HUGE and the legal and psychological (maybe even physical) implications might scar the involved people for the rest of their lives. Why even attempt something like this when there is no urgency or big profit to be gained in exchange for the trouble?
@bagpussisevil2877 this! When we are young and don't have a care in the world, we tend to overlook that part. We do things that reduce our quality of life all the time like drinking, smoking, not sleeping well, spending money recklessly etc. We focus on the small moments these behaviours make us happy without noticing how they slowly ruin our lives.
Modern women will always NEED men to act in slavish kinds of ways, as utilities to do the tasks and heavy lifting that they've never had any intention of doing. Men will eventually realise that they absolutely do not 'need' women for anything, their goals, inspirations, loves and deep passions can come from within...unlike the other who is never satisfied or truly content. Oh and doc, women will call you 'misogynist' for as much as raising an eyebrow in disagreement!...pay them no mind.🌿
The irony is when I hear feminazi arguments that “domestic motherhood” is slavery of the patriarchy but men are out here literally laboring all day just to pay for her life and existence. Who’s the real slave then?
"Men and Women don't need each other anymore" Tell that to the two aging single boomer women in my family. Works out well until you're pushing 60. Then it begins to show. And it's not pretty.
My mother is 81 and completely dependent on me. She did a horrible job of raising me (married 2 selfish abusive cowardly men) and I made it all on my own. She's a kind person but weak and naive.
Family becomes a neccesity as one grows older, the world is not filled with endless possibilities forever. And while my male friends at the age of fifty can still choose parenthood and they indeed do , I no longer have that option.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It’s good to have more than just one option. But having an almost infinite number of options (as many modern women do because of dating apps, Facebook, Instagram, etc) makes it much more difficult to settle on one person and not feel like there could be a better option out there once the initial excitement wears off.
regular men give options, sucessful men give them a life. stop saying they have options, even they dont care cause they no its the truth, they have no options for a life, for a husband . they have to work. they fight this. and to this i say to them... tuff fook.
This dynamic is fascinating to watch unfold. I'm just old enough to remember the old ways, but young enough to compete in the ways. The invention of the internet was the tipping point. There is no going back now.
I think we are headed towards bleak times. I don't think that need will be completely replaced by desire. Especially when women and men are artificially sedated with social media/dating apps and p0rn respectively. It's easier to live in an illusion more than ever.
The headline and content of the video got it right. Relationships are based on need, and there is no need for a relationship other than this instinctual reproductive desire that gnaws at those who desire a relationship but don't have one. People coming together these days literally have little to nothing to offer to each other. And we see highly dysfunctional relationships as a result. Even if they do have something to offer, they have no idea how to go about it in a productive way. However, I think the old cliche` of: "May you live in uninteresting times." is very spot on. I'm not particularly thrilled in these unpreceded situations showing up in modern society.
I believe that most women deep down know what they want, but alot of us are raised to be sweet and nurturing. We are praised for our mother instinct and we often end up 'forgetting' about ourselves when we have to take care of everybody elses needs. Sorry my bad English
I believe it's Erich Fromm who claimed that there are two kinds of love: 1/ "I love you because I need you," which he labelled as "immature love"; 2/ "I need you because I love you," which he labelled as "mature love". I believe it's a chance - for both men and women - to now have the option to choose which type of love they need or desire at a particular moment in their life.
“I need you because I love you” is compassion and empathy. Important elements for a full life. You will not survive a marriage, however, without loving for needs.
We now know for sure that women where not loving their husband the same way men love their wife. As soon as they saw they could be in high status and leadership position, the divorce debacle started. It is proof it was just an association by necessity, not for true love for men.
@@brookxiaofengxiong8473 women love just themselves mainly, the kids are alot of times just a bargaining tool for women who are the weaker gender. They will often times sacrifice the whole family and or marriage, usually ruining their kids future because they are not 'happy' anymore. They will then try and look for a better mate for themselves thinking the grass is greener when it usually isnt. Their hypergamous nature is just for them and not their kids as many people believe.
This has been one of your best episodes yet, its like over time you are narrowing down what everyone thinks and feels in this day and age. I too will be interested to see where this next chapter of dating will take us
I have been saying for years that the word "misogyny" may be in need of a new definition....of course, it has been applied to so many things in the past 30 years that it may no longer actually have one. 😁 Some excellent points here - and I'm very curious to see where things head from here....especially if financial conditions continue to worsen.
You know that men are the ones actually oppressed when men know the meaning of misogyny and women don’t even know the meaning of misandry. It’s really that simple.
As a woman I feel no shame in saying I need men! I need my husband and all the other hard working men who build and make society run. Men and women aren't and never will be equal we are complimentary and offer a balance of femininity and masculinity, like yin and yang. Without men all women would be screwed!!!
I totally agree with you. I am a woman too. This idea of competition between men and women is crazy. We have different skills and complement each other.
Exactly, we'll always need each other, maybe not for survival as much anymore, but to thrive and build a better life for sure. Plus most of us will always have that nagging feeling of wanting a partner or a family no matter how long we suppress it. It's just baked into our psychology. I think that most people won't realize how much they needed a partner or a family until they look back and see how much it's helped them develop.
The blessing here is that we can choose who we are with..... we can be with others because we really want to spend time with them.... it hasn't happened to this extent before in history. It's a huge responsibility to choose well, and a huge freedom. Double edged sword. Great discussion. Surrendering our infinite options for something we actually want.
It is indeed a blessing to be able to choose who to be with, and to choose if we even want to be with anyone at all. I can't imagine how many people from previous generations lived lives of quiet (and not so quiet) desperation, stuck in a place they hate, with someone they hate, spending decades and ruining their health doing work they hate, to care for people they could barely tolerate. It's an amazing time to be alive.
@@kirildocevski9882 the wonderful thing about life today is no one needs to tolerate any level of unhappiness for the sake of staying with someone else, and we all get to choose whether or not to have children. Life is hard enough as it is without having to come home to be unhappy, and is this world really fit for children anyway?
We're hung up on arguing about survival. Wasting time arguing who has which value takes away from living a life worth living. Stay away from people too angry to be around and let them stu in their unhappiness
I noticed this growing up, and formed one of those new strategies myself. It's interesting seeing it play out. Your point about subsistence-level living necessitating gender roles while later abundance providing more flexibility is so true.
I've been married a long time. Without marriage we would have been impoverished. It's nice to think that people can now be financially independent as individuals, and that they no longer need to be in relationships for economic reasons.
@@Ergeniz Together we pooled our resources. I followed my wife's suggestions about getting a job, buying a house and making investments that I would never have risked if I had been on my own. We both would have ended up much poorer if we had lived our lives as single people.
I’m a borderline misogynist. But I have to admit that I want a women to the extent that I need her. I don’t want to live in a world where my relationship to a woman is a strictly transactional luxury.
Your content is not misogynistic. Women aren't used to criticism, especially from men. They rarely get objectivity either. They are used to being pedestalized by men and championed by other women. Hence they often label anything contrary as misogynistic. Often agrily.
They also need a justification to hate men and try to position themselves as superior to men, therefore they claim that everything men say or do is automatically misogynistic. Women have such wildly overinflated egos that they can't handle reality, or accountability.
That is essentially the biggest issue there is. Women are never corrected on their bad behavior bc weak men didn’t want to make them upset. The reality is that both genders have to put boundaries in place and call each other out on BS when it happens.
Good to hear your POV. When I consume this topic, specifically for the black community, it usually has a negative/blaming tone. I love your timeline comparison. If I was my ancestors, I’d be in the hut caring for the home and children. Now, leaving the house everyday to work feels like it goes against the fabric of who I really am as a woman.
@Psyhacks The problem here is confounding the perception/realization of need vs actual need. Most women do need men, they just dont know it because the Government enforces a massive redistribution raquet and culture has rewritten history to make women feel entitled about it. But the fact is that women as a group are not net tax payers and have never ever have been. They literally cannot afford to support themselves as a group. If that is not "need" then I don't know what is.
He knows....we've told him from jump. He's here to pander to the past.....It's the unconstitutional Affirmative Action jobs, their hated of work and various entitlements. Marriage, sex and childbirth rates are at all time lows and racial minorities are also net tax burdens so immigration is collapse. I can't wait.
Wrong. Women who need jobs, get jobs. And they support themselves from these jobs. They don’t need to buy motorcycles and boats and trucks and custom built houses with their paychecks. It’s men who need these baubles to feel worthwhile. Women are fine with a modest apartment and a bus pass and a pizza and a pint of Haagen Dazs. I’m sorry to disappoint you . We’re not as helpless as you claim. We’re not going to come running to you sobbing and begging for help when things get icky. That’s just your fantasy. 🤣🤣🤣.
You're completely right. The West has a massive wealth redistribution program via TAXES and LAWS (Alimony) going on. Shut that down and women will/would need men eg avoid being baby-mamas and all the stats around that. The solution to this question is something Western govs won't acknowledge: 1. Men create the physical environment and such systems 2. Women create the psychological environment (most essentially that of developing human children) What the doctor has not considered is this generation are all raised without the above basic structure of human society being clear and the results will almost certainly increase dysfunctionality. He's right about potential vs actual however and the above structure is all about that social trade between men and women as adults and transitioning to family creation. Of course traditional systems eg religions already solved this problem.
Yes, it is socialism that transfers wealth from men to women that allow them to survive without men. This is the elephant in the room that pro-socialists never want to talk about. Get rid of welfare and a lot more women would be looking for husbands.
Exactly, take the gov subsidies paid for by men and make fair family courts then even in the absence of physical labour women will understand they actually rely on men. Right now we have wealth being taken from men and funnelled to women on all levels of society. This is what furthers the delusion that men and women don’t actually need each other when one gender clearly supports the other.
It's not just sexual relationships - People like to go on about how much they value community whilst simultaneously wanting the government to do ever more for them. They don't realise that communities exist out of necessity too - If the government satisfies all needs there will be no community. This is why people pine for the communities of their youth when everyone was poorer.
But we are spirits so....when we dead will you be needed? No. Because we see spirits and spirits don't eat or drink or even take bath. This all ends there is no point to it. The minute you figure it out the minute you realize that your men being protectors and providers is mean less and a set up. You think we are bodies you are in for a rude awaking when you die
Women have never actually liked having men around. It was only driven by need As a man I like a woman around but I get the impression . that the complaints about untidiness,boisterous-behaviour, lack of obsessive emotional introspection mean that they really don’t like us. Men are generally delighted when a woman enters the group especially if she’s good looking. Contrast that with a group of women who at best give tight smiles to a male “ interloper”.
Are we really delighted? When a woman enters a group, no matter how good looking, I know there will be drama, controlling and egg shell walking. I never liked it. I love being free and women are basically kindergarten teachers lecturing boys. They are feminine fascists. No need for it.
have you sat next to younger women eating with each other lately? listened to them? see how they treat each other? it makes you wanna puke and leave and go get some clean air. i think your delusional.
Dating is very expensive. Marriage is ridiculously expensive. Divorce will bankrupt you 😂. And men will have to bear the greatest percentage of these costs. For men, the wisest choice will be to stay single.
Women run higher risks in dating of sexual assault, violence, pregnancy, being lied to by men who fake wanting a relationship, stis, stealthing. In marriage, women are expected to work like men, but also raise children, take care of the home (men don't do chores), clean behing the manchild, perform like porn stars, remain young forever and not complain. Men will just be employed and say they live life on "hard mode" because of their "nagging wife''. Fucking lol.
Long term partnering makes sense, just don't get married and don't live in a common law marriage state. The exception would be if she out-earns you. In that case sign those legally binding contracts boys!
@Your.Mum24 While man ass will simply never do it for me, I must acknowledge that long term gay relationships have been reported to be the happiest. Then followed by het, then lez.
You can totally replace women with sex dolls or sex robots. Seriously. Just avoid human females completely and you will have peace and joy of your mind and spirit!!
I have come to the conclusion that the only thing I really want from a woman is a 'Plus 1) woman for engagements (social events). It is definitely not something I could have seen develop over the years BUT after considerable thought on this and some stark honesty, this is where I am.
A great video on differentiating between "needing" each other and "wanting/desiring" each other. Well done on highlighting the illusory element as well. Although we are led to believe that we do not NEED each other, we actually do. We NEED each other for having a family, we NEED a significant other for steadfastness, stability and lifelong companionship, we NEED each other for many intangibles and emotionally-balancing and grounding reasons. It's great to love and share one's whole life with a significant other person.
You have to find a person with similar values. There may be some subgroups here, but most American and European women do not place great importance on family, steadfastness or stability.
Right, we don´t "need" each other but certainly a man or women can consciously choose to be vulnerable and open the gate for love not to fulfill their emptiness but to construct a mature relationship. Ups and downs, crisis, fights and even affairs can be handled in certain cases. There are plenty of couples out there showing us this, but I guess it´s always easier to blame others about our issues. Yes, there are damaged people as well who may be avoided for relationships but it´s your work to quick notice this and stop dating or even talking to them.
The thing about infinite potential being nothing reminds me of the story of the genius failures. High I.Q. children with a lot of potential whose indecisiveness allowed them to become nothing. I often volunteer with people and while most people I tend to help are either really dumb or have severe mental health problems, sometimes I meet very intelligent people that are depressed because they just did nothing with their potential. I wonder if tomorrow's women and Chad's will feel like that about never settling down because they enjoyed their optionality.
yeah, to live like that is to live like a monkey in heat. Pleasurable, but if your mental capacity is higher than that of a monkey you'd better do something with your life and forget about your crotch for a while.
The greatest challenge to giving up nothing to gain something is that you are not giving up nothing. In choosing something over nothing, you are giving up ANTICIPATION, aka, dopamine! But it's not just anticipation you are giving up. It's anticipation of anticipation! The diamine rush caused by anticipating a near limitless supply of future anticipation! Why would any modern person ever SETTLE and give up all that future dopamine?
Technology, credit cards, restaurants/fast food, pornography, social programs have all made relationships more obsolete. However even the ones you see today are usually resource motivated on the womans part. Our grandparents generation weren't more moral or loving, it was simply necessity as you mentioned. Human nature doesn't change, only the times do. However once men no longer have the incentive to provide for a family, society will erode. Men as a whole will not take the risky high paying jobs as much, nor attend colleges or trade schools. There's no point really if you don't have to provide for a family, as men in general are totally fine with sparse furnishings, basic clothes, small dwellings and an older reliable vehicle. The effects of this societal shift will really be seen in 25 to 50 years, perhaps less. When infrastructures began to collapse, fewer homes are built, less airline pilots, oil workers, construction, plumbers, doctors, etc.
They think they can just keep importing other men from different countries. That is how they pay you back for all the deaths men had to sacrifice in order just to keep society going.
@@TGP109 very true. But I doubt men will give up high paying jobs just like that, because a lot of them make the big bucks to flex on fellow men. Cash is king and amassing loads of it gives men bragging rights and places them in a hierarchy above poor men, I don't see any possibility of them giving that up because they don't want children. If the world really worked that way, all gay men would be poor and destitute.
@@TGP109 Globalism is already being fought on all fronts, borders will be closed within the decade. Fewer people is a good thing though, we don't need 8 billion NPCs swarming around everywhere.
There are other good things in life than 'providing for family' Innovation, scientific advancement would stay here, because the geniuses behind all these don't have primary motive as sex, maybe more of a passion for the work they do, and of course money. And prostitution may become common and normalized, so many of men would have motivation to make money so they can get laid.
Thank you!!! Been saying this for years!!! Not only do we not need eachother but we don’t like eachother! And it’s fine! But let’s stop pretending!!! There is almost no good reason for men and women to interact anymore!
I love the modern world! As a woman I wouldn't want to be forced to be with a man even if I didn't like or want him to live. Who would want to live with that ? And I think in the past women needed men more then the other way around relationship-wise. Now women are on a more even playing field in that.
This is the result of modern feminism. This is a step back, not forward. Also men have always needed to understand women to give what they want. Women simply have to exist and be attractive physically to get men interested. The game was never fair.
Women run the risk of getting pregnant, which is a life-altering event, to be sure (while men can just walk away). In the past, this was a lot more dangerous because we did not have efficient contraceptives or abortion techniques nor modern medicine to ensure a safe and smooth pregancy/delivery. So I'd say men had it a lot easier back then, and it made sense for a woman to demand plenty of guarantees. Nowadays, however, a sexual intercourse carries very little risks to women who protect themselves. They can enjoy sex the same way men do (relatively carelessly so long as they protect themselves). But, wired as they are, they continue to demand tons of guarantees to men even as they no longer necessarily carry his offspring or (with feminism) no longer feel compelled to contribute anything to the household. Under those circumstances, it doesn't make sense to men that women continue being so demanding.
@@Thinker1985 People have tried to end me many a time. Men have never had it better than women and women have never had it hard. Traditional women still benefit from feminist laws and that knowingly. The problem is greed, sloth and deception, not necessity.
Very well said, thought the same thing recently. Also something that I observe more and more is that women, after having a breakup with a guy, just become lesbian and start dating women instead. And of course it makes sense, your own gender understands you much better than the opposite. However, with some statistics saying that about 1/3rd of all women are bisexual, that is a bit concerning...
They are hardwired to be in Chad's harem. Also, you resemble Chad so life should be better for you. If the avatar photo is you then it's interesting that you're even watching this video. If it's hard for you then women as a group must be fvcking up at every level. lol
All the lesbians could leave our countries and just form new colonies somewhere in the north after the apocalyptic climate change will burn the planet. I would wish them genuine luck, and I would politely ask them to film their lives as much as possible. It would be a fun documentary.
I heard a man say before there a good bit of women who are lesbian and dont like men whatsoever but will deal with men for gain. Gotta take it slow and ask questions.
This was a good analysis. It already mentions it, though not stressed out, that it's not that we don't want a partner, it's that we're mutually not willing to make the exagerated number of concessions we both increasingly demand.
Correction: men and women don’t need each other anymore to fulfill their *short term* needs. This is hugely problematic, as men and women are biologically and psychologically wired to need each other in the *long term*. In the past, those needs tended to align, so satisfying the short term needs would lead to both short term and long term satisfaction. With those needs broadly misaligned today, we might be satisfied in the short term, but we are dissatisfied in the long term. Thus many people slowly slip into despair, or else run from short term high to short term high to get compensate. The good news is that this spiral is avoided in communities that emphasize male-female partnership for both short term and long term fulfillment (usually traditional religio-cultural communities), as well as by individuals who intentionally prioritize their long term goals.
Your point is true in the short run. Women seems not to need men anymore on the surface. But civilization does not run by itself. All the basics things for survival that we all give for granted need the daily work of men. Water supply, power supply, plumbing, transportation, ... all the unseen pillars which sustain civilization itself are carried on the back of men. What is the motivation behind all this hard and unrecognized work? family, children, wife. A man does not need much to get by. The ambition for more comes from a single basic motivator. Reproduction. As the nuclear family is destroyed so is the social contract which serves as the basic motivator for young man to sacrifice themselves for society. A civilization is build by men for women and children. The collapse of western civilization seems inevitable.
Great video Orion, I’m really enjoying this channel. I think a productive and generally happy relationship between a man and women is so valuable for society, it should be more highly incentivized somehow. We are living in unprecedented times.
The theology of the body has been life-changing for me in this regard. It opened my eyes to the complementarity of men and women, not just physically but most especially spiritually. I’m not kidding, it gave me a whole new sense of what it means to be human, and hope for what is possible in partnership with a man.
@@0biwan7 Are you kidding? I took NFP classes for free at my local hospital. Pretty sure that's what you're talking about - Natural Family Planning. It's a system of using information provided constantly by a woman's body to make informed decisions about conception. I consider it vastly superior to contraception, which requires no self-knowledge at all and only the barest minimum of communication. You could use the same form of contraception in a relationship for years without ever learning a damned thing about yourself or even talking about it. NFP puts you in a space where you take your reproductive powers into account, gather data, and let that drive your choices, which requires that you communicate about it frequently. It's so much more thoughtful and respectful, particularly towards the woman. I guess if I wanted to be enabled to act on my base instincts without really thinking, I'd definitely find it off-putting. As it stands, I deeply appreciate knowing so much more about how my body works, and having the ability to gather data about myself and use it to make an informed choice. I'd rather be in a partnership where this kind of thoughtfulness and knowledge are valued than in one where we just contracept and abandon ourselves to our hormones. Disciplining your sexuality out of love for another person is an extraordinary act.
If they don't need men, next time they need something done, call around and find a woman to do it. Like, next time you need a mechanic or a plumber or something like that try to find a woman to do it... I'll wait... my point is that women still need men for survival, they just don't notice those men because they are seen as low status, taken for granted and subconsciously seen as expendable.
Call around men to be babysitters, nurses, doctors, work in elder care, birth people. Men are paid for the jobs they do just like women, it does not mean men are more important.
@@divusgamer853 Honestly did not read the whole paragraph due to your stupid "survival scenario" (what's the point ?) but if you want to argue stupids why not. You survived because your mother took care of you as an infant. There. Women and men participate in the survival of the species, and women mostly do it via care-taking. I guess you don't value that, probably due to low emotional intelligence. I don't know why you want to argue "who's more important men or women", but I would say your problem is not ''men' or "women, it's the fact that obviously, you feel very unimmportant yourself, or you would not be so interested in the topic. So maybe you should adress that. For the rest of your rant, yes having a job and a good income is better if you want a family. Times are hard.
This was laid out pretty simply at the beginning of the video: society, on a macro level, needs both genders for various reasons. Behind closed doors, at a personal level, neither men nor women need each other. So your point about plumbers and mechanics and etc service providers is moot, and for people who lay claim to logic purely based on their gender, it is puzzling how many men in these comments are fixated on that point. Those are professions both men and women pay for. Your average man is a white collar fellow who cannot fix a car / do plumbing / build a house / lay a road etc either, and no man is fixing or building anything for anyone, male or female, for free.
For perhaps the first time in a very long time, we have arrived at the point where men and women don't need each other anymore. For society to function, women need lots of men around, but a given woman doesn't need her own man. For civilization to continue, men need lots of women around, but a given man doesn't need his own woman. In this episode, I discuss some of the consequences of replacing necessity with desire.
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Women can get kids invitro and turn lesbian without much of a worry. It costs money but it's still possible
What you're advocating is permanent inceldom for millions/billions of men. Putting the emotional/companionship desire to one side, if men don't need women there's going to be a 90 - 95 percent drop in men wanting sexual relationships with women. Women don't want men so they're going to have casual sex with chad lite and chad. Sub 7 men have no chance.
Once the sex is over the women don't want chad lite or chad. Maybe the women might want them for child support in the event they have a child but that's all.
We will end up with billions of men having to pay for sex (or getting super advanced AI sex dolls).
Sounds nightmarish to me! But maybe if you buy shares in the AI sex dolls companies you might make a healthy profit. 🤭
We are creature off nature everything is related with each other. If you change something in the circle it will collaps
@@erwinwenger9693 most off career working woman have nothing to come home for
@@RazorM97 everything is possible now a days but is it good? You don’t have a good emotional band with the child. Look at surrogate mothers
I dated a girl with two kids whose fathers had left. Taught them their letters, took them to the park, spent time playing imaginative games. Clothed them, paid most the bills. Still wasn't enough. She never appreciated it. Now I'm single and happier than ever!
Booooooooooooooooooommmm!!!!!!!
Glad you’re not a simp anymore buddy. Enjoy!
SIMP!
FatherSSSS???
She had 2 different baby daddies...??? 🤦♂️
That’s why they left.
I've been saying this for years. When your marriage is necessary for your survival it's really easy to overlook your spouse's shortcomings. When your marriage is a luxury, it's hard to put up with anything less than perfection.
Underrated comment
You have shown me the solution... I need to go find myself a woman who needs me to survive.
@@horikatanifuji5038 lol
third world countrys ....@@horikatanifuji5038
Lol . We live in 2023 , no woman would need you to survive .
I discovered this channel yesterday and I'm devouring all of its content. I'm an "ugly duckling", so I didn't have much "practical" experience with men, as I ended up focusing my life on other things. In no way did I consider you a misogynist. Some women simply refuse to accept the reality of the facts. Men and Women are different and I personally find that fascinating. I don't want another woman. I appreciate masculine men and I realized that I need to improve my communication with men and take my share of the responsibility. I hope one day to come back here to share your advices worked and that I found a decent guy to make him happy. P.S. Sorry for my English. It's not my mother tongue.
Your English is excellent, and if that is you in the thumbnail, you are no ugly duckling.
@jamese9283 NOT ugly but she’s average in looks. 5 out of 10
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I've seen other women who complain they are 'ugly' when they are not just to get validation. Please don't do that, because it's unnecessary.
@@Randomizer92mx well friend, you didn't understand the concept of "ugly duckling" that doc explained. I am not saying I see myself as ugly or people usually see me as ugly currently. "Ugly duckling" it is other than "Ugly".
The Ugly Duckling turned into a beautiful Swan.
Honestly this is the same for friendships. That's why loyalty is so difficult to find these days. People simply don't need to rely on each other anymore. We aren't in a tribe or out hunting for our survival..... Relying on each other to live.
People come into your life when you have something they can benefit from and quickly leave when you don't.
Indeed. Thought I had a friend but the moment I hit rough waters in my life, that friend was gone. Now, when life is normal again, he comes back, expecting things to go back to the way they were. Nope, dude, you showed your true colors.
a lot of people need friends on a constant basis just so they can feel superior. that is a "benefit" a lot of people don't notice in their otherwise healthy friendships.
@@immortaljanus same here. I used to play the super loyal friend role until I realized all my friends were actually playing by different set of rules. Now I mostly focus on my own life. I consider people to be acquaintances at best
@@allenlin7333 absolutely agree.... Some people keep friends around because it makes them feel good to know a lot of people. I find that people who have tons of friends are a bit fake and that their relationships are very superficial.
When meeting someone, I am often first asked what do you do for a living. Why not just ask, how can you be useful to me, so I can decide if I want to be friendly to you?
Someone calling you misogynistic is utterly ridiculous
Definitions are a thing
99% of those people are bitter low sexual market value post wall women.
@@chillero3heftig712they arent to most women
Self-obsessed people will use any label to stigmatize anyone who does not idolize them.
"The language of empiricism will always sound like hate to people who only understand the language of emotions"
The most intriguing conversation I’ve heard in years! 47 years old, never married, no children. Entirely agree with the “illusion” of optionality. Amazing insights.
Illusion of options so big that a person is writing to thousands just to receive validation but a single person is considerated unsecure. That's bs....talking about masses
You are most definitely the problem not woman if you have not only never been married but not have any kids either
@heyyashleyyy2669 where did he say women are the problem? And what is going so poorly in your world that you feel compelled to take jabs at a stranger on the internet?
I think what the manosphere (at least the positive bits of it) are helping men do are:
- Helping men set themselves as their own mental point of origin
- Growing men's awareness to help themselves identify what is in their best self-interest
If it stops men from simping and gain some self-esteem and dignity, then it served its purpose!
so delusional! None of those listed are positive traits. You can look in his comments & see that he has the tendency to be misogynistic.
"The truth won't change just because you are offended'
I knew this was coming. There’s no way to present the truth and escape the label “misogynist” 🤷🏼♀️
this is the case with anything unless you mention negative stuff about straight white men (best if they're conservative Christians too). It doesn't even have to be true, say what you want. But if you state any fact that isn't positive about any other demographic then you are istophobic
I personally don't try to escape it.. instead I embrace the title. Women that have a problem with my misogyny can kick rocks but typically they eat it up instead...lmao
Sure there is. Ask her to define misogyny. I guarantee that she can't, nor point to a specific statement that properly aligns with the definition.
They're just spitting out pre programmed feminist "logic."
I know the next thing the feminists will do: grow a mustache. A really small one, just at the center.
Doc, I’ve also noticed a decline in men’s overall motivation to aspire for bigger things in life or gain resources. In my opinion, this may be due to the fact that the average man is becoming mostly obsolete, so most are rationalizing that they don’t have to go far and beyond anymore to be able to provide for a family. I think we largely underestimate how motivational women can be in men’s drive for success. This makes a lot of sense from an evolutionary perspective, the more needed men feel in their respective societies, the more they’re willing to dispose themselves for the greater good. Our current society has largely removed those incentives for men, it’s as if they’re completely dropping out of society and it’s sad to witness. I don’t see any solution for this problem en masse. Technology and our modern day societies have largely replaced men, and now they’re even more expandable.
Solution for men: get with women of lower economic levels than them or even travel to other countries. Solution for women: There's no solution besides pets, cats, dogs, lesbianism, and sharing a top man with several women. Because God knows they won't settle for an average man. 😂
Women hate their unconstitutional Affirmative Action jobs and men are too broke to save them....win-win.
That's how women destroy civilizations!
I don't think people realize the huge pyramid 'traditional marriage' has built modern society today. People fulfilling these roles keep everything together. As this collapses this social 'supply chain' will disappear and all these crazy technological marvels will disappear.
This will continue to an even bigger extent. I have a feeling that everything masculine is being labeled as toxic, obsolete, or simply redefined as unisex. Competitiveness leads to the rat race or generally anxiety-driven behavior, stoicism is bad because it interferes with emotional regulation, rationality - well, women can also be rational. Strength? Technology will solve any strength issue. I can go on and on with examples. It looks like men are a danger not only to women but also to other men.
All this brings me to a sad realization that we need to find a way to justify masculinity. If not, it will be soon rational to exclude it completely.
I am 47 years old married for 22 years. It is thanks to your videos that I manage to understand myself and my spouse! you make me laugh every time because you are precise, fair and say the things that need to be said. well done !
Speaking as a 22-year-old eww Gross. You are literally the same age as my dad. 🤢
Very happy for you. This is what has been and still will be celebrated for years to come, long lasting marriages. M very happy for you.
It’s amazing that we really don’t want each other all that much. Without need relationships are falling apart.
I think that's caused by feminism, which makes women very undesirable and makes them believe they don't want a men.
No need for relationships.
Why, I rather be wanted than NEEDED
Need doesn't disappear when the help that was once offered is made mandatory. Women taking money from men via government is women still needing men.
Not all women take money from govt. I pay a ton of taxes and rarely get any benefits from govt. I’m in Canada so I get healthcare but it’s garbage. But I don’t get any govt payments my income is too high.
Being a misogynist these days simply means you're logical, have self respect, clear boundries, and won't put up with misadrist bs.
@@Mike-dz4vqgoiajdpgoiadj-9 never gonna win with the mentally unstable
@@Mike-dz4vqgoiajdpgoiadj-9 Told a girl I had a height minimum of 5ft, that she cleared, because I dont want my future son to face ridcule. She got mad as fuck, even though she herself has a height minimum. You cant make this shit up
@@marcusplenty1153I told a broad that I enforced a weight maximum (130 lbs) when screening women and she got pissed even though she had a height minimum for men (6’4”), an income requirement (150k) and a penis requirement (6.5”). You can’t make this shit up.
@@j.p.911 I suppose they can dish but they cant take it
💯 I'm married, with kids and have everything going good... Still when I say something that they don't agree with...how dare you...🥴...
So a lot of times it's just jealous, envy, knowing you f*cked up big time, projection...
bc you are their mirror of erroneous behavior...boomerang of accountability...and that's 🤬 impossible to take for a low value woman...
You'll always be labelled as a misogynist any time you speak up for men in any way. Even if what you say is true, spoken In a polite tone, and doesn't put women down. It will always be interpreted as bitter hate speech.
Feminism is a disease.
True
Misogynistic is a misplaced buzz word that applies to almost no one. Who has actually met a man that actually has hatred for women? I sure as hell haven't. Its the word women use to shutdown a conversation when they have no actual rebuttal to an argument or criticism against them.
Only by those who are actively destroying Western civilization.
Wow, TheIgnoredGender, I haven't seen you in a long time. I really miss your M.I.T.M. series.
It's definitely going to be interesting to see what people choose to do when survival doesn't monopolize your life anymore.
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS
Finally someone else says it.
I've heard a lot of people spoke about it... In France. The Anglosphere is still in denial
When I saw women graduating from college, getting good jobs, and then traveling and spending their discretionary incomes, that is when I realized that when you remove the economic gain of marrying a man then women no longer had desires or needs to get married. They can take care of themselves economically when this was probably 90% of the reason they wanted to get married in the first place. But now they are fun and support themselves.
@@redwolfungrywhat else do people say in France about this topic?
One of the conclusions we can draw from this is that feminism would go extinct if we ran out of electricity for more than 24 hours. The closer we are to raw survival, the faster men and women reassume their assigned gender roles. As a Brazilian who spent some years in rural Brazil and then moved to a big city in the US, I can see how such a large social gap between both places affects intersexual dynamics. No wonder that the Passport Bros movement is becoming a thing. However, many of those guys are delusional. Why? They tend to pedestalize foreign women, portraying them as an "ideal of femininity," but, in the end, they're all women. They're all hypergamists. Women in those unfortunate places tend to be more feminine because there's a need implied to that behavior. Give these foreign women a green card and an address in Chicago, NY, or the Bay Area, and, assuming they can function as average citizens, voilá: they'll act like your regular American woman sooner or later.
This.
Passport Bros fail to realize that foreign women are more submissive to men because there's no welfare state in their country.
And to be able to see it in a big city, watch an educated bimbo around a millionaire.
Yeah, they got spoiled with the convenience of modern life and started to think they can survive without men. Take away all their conveniences and watch them crawl back.
Bingo!
Although you're right that in those liberal cities, they have a worse chance, not all of those foreign women become Westernized. The divorce statistics are pretty good for foreign women as well. But yeah if you're the bottom of you barrel in the USA and you bring back a 9, she will be able to see pretty quickly that there are better looking and richer men that will give her attention. But I know of several long lasting marriages with foreign women. But those women were good women before they left their countries.
One thing I see quite regularly when shopping are examples of the older couple where the woman is obviously the boss and the man just a helper. Neither looks particularly happy or content, maybe they are still together from habit, financial reasons or some other practical reason. But observing them makes me glad I'm not in such a situation.
I have seen this mall mules God love them I was married for 20 years 2 nervous breakdowns over a mental delusional creature that was more a demon than human single now and enjoying life again
I've been saying this for a while, that need and want are two very different things. As society changes and morphs with the evolving culture, so do intersexual dynamics. Love this video and your explanation. You're the only psychologist I've found who talks about these things and relates it all back to mental health and how to cope or even thrive in these conditions. I'd like to integrate these insights in my own practice eventually too.
Most psychologists are women and they lack abstract thinking. Interestingly, women as a group are net tax burdens so they do need men via government but the reverse cannot be said. Half of gen x women are single and childless because nature is punishing them. Meanwhile, marriage, sex and childbirth rates are at all time lows and women hate their unconstitutional Affirmative Action jobs. 🧛♀️: "Thanks for, like, adding value."
Are you muslin?
There is no intersexual dynamics! Women are on their own thus laws and how we live going forward needs to change. Daily men by the 1000s want nothing more than law changes! We not your pieces of sh1t and owe women nothing. Intersexual dynamics existed before women walked away in the 70s! Women are not an oppressed class and we tired of women making life miserable for everyone around them.
No man wants interaction with women, change is here and it's going to look very different to women's socialist utopia you've pushed.
No one should need anything
I remarked this so someone only a few weeks ago. Because of labour-saving devices, the welfare state, independent access to resources and artificial insemination, women don't need men any more. After artificial wombs become available, sexbots become refined and AI becomes a substitute for relationships, men won't need women any more either.
I met a crazy woman on a dating app, which is most women on dating apps, who took issue with something I said. I explained that I didn't intend it that way. Her response was literally that my intention didn't matter. These broads have been poisoned by feminism. They've created a paradise where they're always the victim and men are always guilty, regardless of intention. No point in trying to reason with crazy.
100% this. Just isn't worth the risks anymore.
And even if there WAS a point, no explanation would be owed.
'I met a woman in a dating app'.
See, there's your first mistake: why are you wasting time and energy on dating apps? They're rigged completely for women. You should be doing something far more productive with your time.
Stop talking to crazy women. And if you say all
Women are crazy, then you’re the problem. It’s like feminists saying all men are mysogonist. We all know that’s absurd!
In women's minds intention is never important. What's important in their minds is the result. If the result is that she's hurt by the truth than you're evil. If the result is that she's happy by you lying to her and she kind of finds out but is not hurt then you're God. With men, intention matters. With women, results matter
Dude finally you put all the pieces together of all of the things that have been troubling me all year. I love the feeling of being needed because desire seems so fickle but I need to let go of that if I'm to ever have a good relationship again
Women for generations felt exactly the same - they needed men because they couldn't work, yet men commonly left their loyal wives of 20 years for the young secretary. Desire IS fickle - and men took total advantage of that, now they are starting to feel just a tiny taste of what women endured for so long. We SHOULD be talking about how this sucks and how to solve it, and how we will become better partners BECAUSE we understand how it feels to be on the receiving end of hurt - but nope, sadly, people just engage in the oppression olympics...
What women have become and offer as a mate, is increasingly undesired.
What society now offers women is increasingly replacing what men provided as a mate.
Add to this the dangers men could face when interacting with women. And the list goes on. It's down hill for traditional relationships.
Not worth it anymore
Extremely concise and well put.
Stop dating, pursuing, and thinking about us then. Nothing lossed. Women have much more dangers being around men.
@letgo4331 statistically, men face more danger from other men than women ever will. It's in most mens nature to self-sacrifice for women.
Please get enlightened before once again blaming men for womens poor choices.
@@letgo4331 We already stopped
I’m an older guy. When I hear young a women or man say they don’t need each other it greatly saddens me. Of course we don’t financially need each other. But on a human level, the relationship between a man & women can be one of the most beautiful things in life. We all need each other. Don’t buy the BS from heartless, power seeking people. They are empty shells.
Nah bro. It has to happen one way or another. Say goodbye to relationships. The gender wars will come soon. I can't wait to slaughter
Look at these comments. It's not hard to understand why young women feel that way. Men caused the divide.
@@letgo4331 Ah so it's men's fault that modern women have treated men like garbage, making most men jaded towards them. Spotted the feminist 😄
@@letgo4331It is grossly unfair to say that men cause the divide
My whole life I've heard women belittle women with very little good to say about them, while the men have tried to become what women want, because they themselves want women. And to this day a lot of women are still blaming men for everything (yourself included).
I don't know what it's like where you are, but that's been my experience. So from my perspective I can't see how men are the Ines causing a divide when it is women being the most judgemental and complaining the most, while doing the least
@@letgo4331can you explain how "men caused the divide"?
Thank you, doctor. Your content is thoughtful, well meaning and very interesting. Wishing you continued success.
I'm attracted to women enjoy sex but I don't need them because it just feels like its another job that makes my life more complicated
You just expressed what many have known but are afraid to say or admit
Pjuliano9000:
Yeah, I can relate.
Even with just sex the havoc they can cause on your life it’s debatable if it’s even worth it
It's not another job, it's another bad job.
Yep. Women are actually a negative on your life for success.
Waste of money and time and on top of that most of them are boring.
This video explains why terms like "hoeflation" are popping up.... people are maximizing their wants in the pursuit of relationship since needs are less urgent.
Orion Taraban has a cool Sci-Fi ring to it. An intergalactic doctor who appears when a neutron star formed, helping to reconnect the fragmented souls in the astral plane.
Or a James Bond villain.
Orion’s Belt 🌎 👽
Or a porn star
Wow lol
😆😆
The truth hurts sometimes. Sometimes, the truth is unfavorable to women, but sometimes, it's unfavorable to men. That's just life. I'm glad that we're finally getting to the point where people can actually be honest with one another, regardless of whether or not it hurts someone's feelings.
it will always hurt, we've all been fed lies for so long
That was a really great video, I really appreciate your willingness to be brave and say things others won't say.
Thank you for your insightful videos on modern intersexual interactions. I appreciate your non-biased, drama-free takes on the subject. We need more of this as opposed to hubris and drama-filled content the likes of Rollo, Whatever, Donovan, etc.
Thanks for your support, man
Rollo Tomassi is a clown
I found this video to be a necessary "back to basics" reset pep talk. A succinct, powerful and timely message. It's exactly what I needed to hear to put perspective and clarity on my own life situation. Thank you.
It’s the beginning of the end people. Brace for impact. As a man focus only on getting better and then choose only from the cream of the crop. Protect yourselves.
Yup! Been doing that for a while, now. What a peace of mind it brings...
Always the best advice. Focus on improving yourself, not chasing women. Let them chase you, if they want you.
'Brace for impact', indeed. Seems like I've been hearing 'PULL UP, TERRAIN......PULL UP, TERRAIN' from our 'society' for years.
@@jabba0975 Little ice age coming around 2036, only the Smart, Strong and prepared will survive. It will weed out the weak idiots just as nature intended.
Facts! I am experiencing exactly this right now. Staying in good physical condition has been an absolute game changer.
You’ve offered the most productive and empathetic advice in the manosphere. And you’ve pointed out a lot of very obvious things about society that nobody ever notices but really should. Your voice is also as soothing as it is authoritative. Which makes your brilliant perspectives impossible to not take seriously (well, if you’re not a raging feminist at least 😂).
This particular lecture is very poignant because it explains a lot about why religious and traditional cultures still have high marriage rates and low divorce. And why richer more secular nations, the world over, not just in the West, are declining in this regard.
But I have a more cynical view about why people don’t need each other or relationships in general. They’ve unfortunately been deceived by capitalism and consumerism far more than feminism.
Believing that just because you have everything you need to survive is enough to make you feel complete or contented in any way, is the very height of narcissism. Financial independence and the illusion of endless choice has made many of us narcissists unfortunately, and that could be a possible cause for our delusions about not needing a romantic partner. Heck, many of us don’t even feel we need actual friends any more with the ridiculous amount of stimuli you could pay for in the comfort of your own home.
I’m far from as erudite as you are though, and this is just my layman’s observation.
But I’d be very keen to hear your take on mindless consumerism as a substitute for intimate human relationships and if mindfulness or something else could perhaps be a remedy for our collective self absorption. 😊
#13 Law of Power: When Asking for Help, Appeal to People’s Self-Interest, Never to their Mercy or Gratitude
This goes for relationships as well. Need is a powerful bind made of steel, want is a single thread of silk.
First…. All laws where men are forced to give woman money for any reason need to end…. All of them… then I’d agree men aren’t needed.
Court system are sexist to men. Period.
Those women are fairly getting what they're payed.
@@letgo4331 Not at all. Women boast about being strong and independent and able to do everything a man can do, backwards and wearing high heels, and then arrange the legal system to give them money for their irresponsibility.
@@letgo4331no, they don't I can prove it by. We can take both a man and w woman and monetize their input. You say you want money for cooking a meal, I say I want money for being an emotional therapist. We can play that game, no problem.
@@letgo4331 I'm European, and assuming you're from the US, I think you're completely delusional.
The stories one reads from the US are truly baffling. Like men dating single mothers a few times, and then ending up in courts run by feminist activists, resulting in them being required to pay child support. The term is "marriage like relationship", which has been embraced (and expanded) by feminist loony judges and ambulance chasing lawyers.
I remember sitting at a coffee shop with a friend describing this very theory about 10 years ago.. I was married at the time but really only staying because of our shared mortgage.. i didn't need her for anything, and she didn't need me either it was just financially cost effective to stay.
That’s how most relationships be these days, only being together for financial reasons.
@@Me-eb3wv Not only today but always
Personally I believe that when women decided to "not need men," their hope was to ultimately force men to have to do better to attract & retain women. However this actually forced men to become proficient in the tasks that we once depended on women to do for us. Now I believe that this has brought us back to the drawing board, so to speak. Because men no longer need women, because we now truly take care of ourselves for maybe the first time in history, men once again require women to do the tasks that they rebeled against back in the 60's. It's actually kinda funny if you think about it.
"Personally I believe that when women decided to "not need men," their hope was to ultimately force men to have to do better to attract & retain women."
Exactly, and the good pscyhax guy keeps the simp level super high.
I always find it hilarious when women bitch about domestic chores in 2023. Like many of the tasks themselves are almost fully automated...
@@BOSSDONMANwell... xx.s may have all that on their own and alone, basically. with no gents' finger being lifted nor m.e.a.t. being 'in-wasted' to them as mere instances of adversity...
Your first sentence.... DING DING DING, that is correct, and I'm glad someone finally said it. Women used to be the ones that'd take care of our laundry, make our bed, take care of our children, keep our bellies fully, and keep our balls dry. Well, these days every single man I meet can cook - even BETTER than most women I know - they make their own beds and clean their own apartments. Men do their own laundry, and keep their libido in check by shifting that frustration and energy into hobbies, or just rubbing one out and continuing on. Ffs it's a STATISTICAL fact that a child raised by a single father turns out SIGNIFICANTLY better than growing up with a single mother, so it turns out men can also raise kids by themselves, and these kids won't turn out fucked up. There is zero need for women. Can't say the same for the opposite. I stopped dating over 6 years ago, and I couldn't be happier. I'm not even lonely, I've got my best buds to cure the loneliness. I channeled my sexual energy into the gym, and now I'm in the BEST shape that I've ever been in.
Men are logical thinkers, and as such, I don't see american society ever going back to what it once was. Men have weighed out the pro's and cons, and we've realized that there is no pro to being with a woman.
"Need" is different than "optimal." As a currently single man that has been lucky to experience a few great long term relationships in the past, life IS better and more fulfilling when you have someone to share it with, no question.
I came to this same very conclusion. My father/grandfather didn't know how to fold their clothes, or do laundry, or cook scrambled eggs or anything, or take out the trash lol my grandmother did everything, my mother does EVERYTHING. It hit me when I realized that I've far surpassed the men in my family in being independent and if that's the case, the question needs to be raised.
Men can build an entire village, create roads, all the science and technology, etc. but men can’t fold clothes, scramble eggs, or do laundry. That doesn’t make any sense. They make anything complex but simple things such as scrambled eggs or do their laundry - that’s beyond a man’s capacity to comprehend or do. You are either trolling or rationalizing your inferiority complex.
Meanwhile, your (hypothetical) sisters are less knowledgeable than your Mom and Grandma in those aspects and are often increasingly unwilling to do those tasks for their husbands, because feminism taught them that it would be demeaning for them to do so. As a result, husbands have to step up to the plate and often do more than their wives nowadays (when it should really be 50/50 when both spouses are working the same number of hours).
Cool story, bro.
don't be lazy like tem
@@letgo4331 I think you should apply for a job in a coal mine, or sewage maintenance. I think that would suit you since you aren't lazy.
We have arrived at an age where one can say "no relationship is better than an even potentially bad relationship." As mentioned in this video, people can survive and even thrive without a sexual/romantic relationship. And since one has to settle and cater to the needs and desires of their partner, If another person doesn't show signs that a relationship with them is going to help us achieve a goal (like having children) or signs that being with them is somehow going to improve both involved parties lives, at least by a small bit, then the optimal thing to do is to not even bother trying to form a relationship. Why attempt something that is probably going to be more trouble than it's worth, when the need doesn't exist? And in the case of marriage and procreation, the trouble can become HUGE and the legal and psychological (maybe even physical) implications might scar the involved people for the rest of their lives. Why even attempt something like this when there is no urgency or big profit to be gained in exchange for the trouble?
This is how I think and my friends think I’m weird for not chasing women
@bagpussisevil2877 this! When we are young and don't have a care in the world, we tend to overlook that part. We do things that reduce our quality of life all the time like drinking, smoking, not sleeping well, spending money recklessly etc. We focus on the small moments these behaviours make us happy without noticing how they slowly ruin our lives.
@@Mayumnaise It's cause most people just go with it without thinking.
@@Goteiii Because they are expected to and mentally conditioned into being this way.
Marriage and divorce are for life as in the effects of both.
Modern women will always NEED men to act in slavish kinds of ways, as utilities to do the tasks and heavy lifting that they've never had any intention of doing.
Men will eventually realise that they absolutely do not 'need' women for anything, their goals, inspirations, loves and deep passions can come from within...unlike the other who is never satisfied or truly content.
Oh and doc, women will call you 'misogynist' for as much as raising an eyebrow in disagreement!...pay them no mind.🌿
They get offended by damn near anything. Don't walk on eggshells for them. Never apologize, they think it's weakness
Nothing but the truth.
The irony is when I hear feminazi arguments that “domestic motherhood” is slavery of the patriarchy but men are out here literally laboring all day just to pay for her life and existence. Who’s the real slave then?
"Men and Women don't need each other anymore"
Tell that to the two aging single boomer women in my family. Works out well until you're pushing 60. Then it begins to show. And it's not pretty.
My mother is 81 and completely dependent on me. She did a horrible job of raising me (married 2 selfish abusive cowardly men) and I made it all on my own. She's a kind person but weak and naive.
Family becomes a neccesity as one grows older, the world is not filled with endless possibilities forever. And while my male friends at the age of fifty can still choose parenthood and they indeed do , I no longer have that option.
Depends on the person, an introvert would be happy alone and they would also not mind being taken care of by strangers in an elderly home.
@@nina.cazimiexactly. It's often too late when a person gets old enough to realize what they need.
@@-haclong2366
That kind of care isn't cheap though, and it's only going to get more expensive.
Most people can't afford quality care.
"Absolute Potential" and "Absolute Gain". That is spot on! I have have seen it many times to the detriment of all involved. Excellent video.
Thank you for the balanced and informative content 👍
I think you hit the nail on the head. It’s good to have more than just one option. But having an almost infinite number of options (as many modern women do because of dating apps, Facebook, Instagram, etc) makes it much more difficult to settle on one person and not feel like there could be a better option out there once the initial excitement wears off.
regular men give options, sucessful men give them a life.
stop saying they have options, even they dont care cause they no its the truth, they have no options for a life, for a husband .
they have to work. they fight this. and to this i say to them... tuff fook.
We call this the tyranny of choice.
"Trading infinite potential for a given actual." Yes! So well put.
This dynamic is fascinating to watch unfold. I'm just old enough to remember the old ways, but young enough to compete in the ways. The invention of the internet was the tipping point. There is no going back now.
No wonder "May you live in interesting times" is a curse.
I think we are headed towards bleak times. I don't think that need will be completely replaced by desire. Especially when women and men are artificially sedated with social media/dating apps and p0rn respectively. It's easier to live in an illusion more than ever.
Do not forget the sex robots. Not inflatable dolls; I mean ROBOTS!
Who cares ? Get yourself an AI gf and be done with it .
Thanks! I love your channel!
The headline and content of the video got it right. Relationships are based on need, and there is no need for a relationship other than this instinctual reproductive desire that gnaws at those who desire a relationship but don't have one. People coming together these days literally have little to nothing to offer to each other. And we see highly dysfunctional relationships as a result. Even if they do have something to offer, they have no idea how to go about it in a productive way.
However, I think the old cliche` of: "May you live in uninteresting times." is very spot on. I'm not particularly thrilled in these unpreceded situations showing up in modern society.
It's may you live in interesting times.
dude, bars on bars 🙌 you have become BY FAR my favorite channel in this space. Appreciate you brother 🙏
Women don't know what they want. This is why trying to become what they want is a loosing proposition.
That's what happens when you base your entire reality of emotions, which change from day to day.
I believe that most women deep down know what they want, but alot of us are raised to be sweet and nurturing. We are praised for our mother instinct and we often end up 'forgetting' about ourselves when we have to take care of everybody elses needs.
Sorry my bad English
_Individual_ women don't know what they want; women as a _population_ represent a market, and market forces can be observed and measured.
My brother has been finding that out the past decade .
@@maijensen3317 "a lot of us are raised to be sweet...."
LMAO!!!! You with the f**king jokes.
I believe it's Erich Fromm who claimed that there are two kinds of love:
1/ "I love you because I need you," which he labelled as "immature love";
2/ "I need you because I love you," which he labelled as "mature love".
I believe it's a chance - for both men and women - to now have the option to choose which type of love they need or desire at a particular moment in their life.
“I need you because I love you” is compassion and empathy.
Important elements for a full life. You will not survive a marriage, however, without loving for needs.
We now know for sure that women where not loving their husband the same way men love their wife.
As soon as they saw they could be in high status and leadership position, the divorce debacle started.
It is proof it was just an association by necessity, not for true love for men.
100% correct， the only two thing women love, are themselves and their children.
@@brookxiaofengxiong8473 women love just themselves mainly, the kids are alot of times just a bargaining tool for women who are the weaker gender. They will often times sacrifice the whole family and or marriage, usually ruining their kids future because they are not 'happy' anymore. They will then try and look for a better mate for themselves thinking the grass is greener when it usually isnt. Their hypergamous nature is just for them and not their kids as many people believe.
True words spoken.
@@bibbityboppityboo1206female cope
Briffault's Law.
This has been one of your best episodes yet, its like over time you are narrowing down what everyone thinks and feels in this day and age.
I too will be interested to see where this next chapter of dating will take us
I have been saying for years that the word "misogyny" may be in need of a new definition....of course, it has been applied to so many things in the past 30 years that it may no longer actually have one. 😁
Some excellent points here - and I'm very curious to see where things head from here....especially if financial conditions continue to worsen.
At this point we should stop trying to prove things aren't misogyny. Just agree and keep it moving lol
You know that men are the ones actually oppressed when men know the meaning of misogyny and women don’t even know the meaning of misandry. It’s really that simple.
Heres a comment section full of misogyny. If women were sying the exact same things you wouldn't be fine with it.
As a woman I feel no shame in saying I need men! I need my husband and all the other hard working men who build and make society run. Men and women aren't and never will be equal we are complimentary and offer a balance of femininity and masculinity, like yin and yang. Without men all women would be screwed!!!
I totally agree with you. I am a woman too. This idea of competition between men and women is crazy. We have different skills and complement each other.
Exactly, we'll always need each other, maybe not for survival as much anymore, but to thrive and build a better life for sure. Plus most of us will always have that nagging feeling of wanting a partner or a family no matter how long we suppress it. It's just baked into our psychology. I think that most people won't realize how much they needed a partner or a family until they look back and see how much it's helped them develop.
Yes but what do those men get in return by make society run for you?
@@TetsuoTakayamaCyberpunkDo you want children? Sex? Companionship?
We love women! Most of what we do in life is so that we can build a good life and a nest to make a family.
Thanks
The blessing here is that we can choose who we are with..... we can be with others because we really want to spend time with them.... it hasn't happened to this extent before in history. It's a huge responsibility to choose well, and a huge freedom. Double edged sword. Great discussion. Surrendering our infinite options for something we actually want.
@@kirildocevski9882 death is at core a solitary experience. Everyone dies alone, even those with children.
It is indeed a blessing to be able to choose who to be with, and to choose if we even want to be with anyone at all. I can't imagine how many people from previous generations lived lives of quiet (and not so quiet) desperation, stuck in a place they hate, with someone they hate, spending decades and ruining their health doing work they hate, to care for people they could barely tolerate. It's an amazing time to be alive.
@@kirildocevski9882 the wonderful thing about life today is no one needs to tolerate any level of unhappiness for the sake of staying with someone else, and we all get to choose whether or not to have children. Life is hard enough as it is without having to come home to be unhappy, and is this world really fit for children anyway?
Man, you are a goldmine for framework.
We're hung up on arguing about survival. Wasting time arguing who has which value takes away from living a life worth living. Stay away from people too angry to be around and let them stu in their unhappiness
Yes
I noticed this growing up, and formed one of those new strategies myself. It's interesting seeing it play out. Your point about subsistence-level living necessitating gender roles while later abundance providing more flexibility is so true.
Quickly becoming my favorite channel. I’m sure you’ll reach 1M subs soon with quality videos like this.
I've been married a long time. Without marriage we would have been impoverished. It's nice to think that people can now be financially independent as individuals, and that they no longer need to be in relationships for economic reasons.
Why would you have been impoverished?
@@Ergeniz Together we pooled our resources. I followed my wife's suggestions about getting a job, buying a house and making investments that I would never have risked if I had been on my own. We both would have ended up much poorer if we had lived our lives as single people.
Women decided they didn't need men, men went their own way, women most affected.
If women changed their minds about men, do you really think they would have a hard time finding one?
@@mathias1dk One that they actually want? Yes it will be hard.
@@watamutha what do you want? Be honest.
I’m a borderline misogynist. But I have to admit that I want a women to the extent that I need her. I don’t want to live in a world where my relationship to a woman is a strictly transactional luxury.
@@mathias1dk Depends on what stage of life the woman is in, and what stage of "red pill" the man is in.
Your content is not misogynistic. Women aren't used to criticism, especially from men. They rarely get objectivity either. They are used to being pedestalized by men and championed by other women. Hence they often label anything contrary as misogynistic. Often agrily.
In a nutshell.
"Women aren't used to criticism"
they never will be. She literally said he is misogynistic because that is the "vibe" she got.
shes trash.
They also need a justification to hate men and try to position themselves as superior to men, therefore they claim that everything men say or do is automatically misogynistic.
Women have such wildly overinflated egos that they can't handle reality, or accountability.
Perfectly put
That is essentially the biggest issue there is. Women are never corrected on their bad behavior bc weak men didn’t want to make them upset. The reality is that both genders have to put boundaries in place and call each other out on BS when it happens.
Good to hear your POV. When I consume this topic, specifically for the black community, it usually has a negative/blaming tone.
I love your timeline comparison. If I was my ancestors, I’d be in the hut caring for the home and children. Now, leaving the house everyday to work feels like it goes against the fabric of who I really am as a woman.
Congratulations for 200K subscribers!!!
"Infinite potential" is nothing, a dead end. Thank you.
Endless options, means never deciding
@Psyhacks
The problem here is confounding the perception/realization of need vs actual need.
Most women do need men, they just dont know it because the Government enforces a massive redistribution raquet and culture has rewritten history to make women feel entitled about it.
But the fact is that women as a group are not net tax payers and have never ever have been.
They literally cannot afford to support themselves as a group.
If that is not "need" then I don't know what is.
He knows....we've told him from jump. He's here to pander to the past.....It's the unconstitutional Affirmative Action jobs, their hated of work and various entitlements. Marriage, sex and childbirth rates are at all time lows and racial minorities are also net tax burdens so immigration is collapse. I can't wait.
Wrong. Women who need jobs, get jobs. And they support themselves from these jobs. They don’t need to buy motorcycles and boats and trucks and custom built houses with their paychecks. It’s men who need these baubles to feel worthwhile. Women are fine with a modest apartment and a bus pass and a pizza and a pint of Haagen Dazs. I’m sorry to disappoint you . We’re not as helpless as you claim. We’re not going to come running to you sobbing and begging for help when things get icky. That’s just your fantasy. 🤣🤣🤣.
You're completely right. The West has a massive wealth redistribution program via TAXES and LAWS (Alimony) going on. Shut that down and women will/would need men eg avoid being baby-mamas and all the stats around that.
The solution to this question is something Western govs won't acknowledge:
1. Men create the physical environment and such systems
2. Women create the psychological environment (most essentially that of developing human children)
What the doctor has not considered is this generation are all raised without the above basic structure of human society being clear and the results will almost certainly increase dysfunctionality.
He's right about potential vs actual however and the above structure is all about that social trade between men and women as adults and transitioning to family creation.
Of course traditional systems eg religions already solved this problem.
Yes, it is socialism that transfers wealth from men to women that allow them to survive without men. This is the elephant in the room that pro-socialists never want to talk about. Get rid of welfare and a lot more women would be looking for husbands.
Exactly, take the gov subsidies paid for by men and make fair family courts then even in the absence of physical labour women will understand they actually rely on men.
Right now we have wealth being taken from men and funnelled to women on all levels of society.
This is what furthers the delusion that men and women don’t actually need each other when one gender clearly supports the other.
It's not just sexual relationships - People like to go on about how much they value community whilst simultaneously wanting the government to do ever more for them. They don't realise that communities exist out of necessity too - If the government satisfies all needs there will be no community. This is why people pine for the communities of their youth when everyone was poorer.
Men make and maintain everything women have that enables them to not need men.
Zing!
But we are spirits so....when we dead will you be needed? No. Because we see spirits and spirits don't eat or drink or even take bath. This all ends there is no point to it. The minute you figure it out the minute you realize that your men being protectors and providers is mean less and a set up. You think we are bodies you are in for a rude awaking when you die
This.
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Bingo!
Women have never actually liked having men around. It was only driven by need As a man I like a woman around but I get the impression . that the complaints about untidiness,boisterous-behaviour, lack of obsessive emotional introspection mean that they really don’t like us. Men are generally delighted when a woman enters the group especially if she’s good looking. Contrast that with a group of women who at best give tight smiles to a male “ interloper”.
Women's desires are unimportant. Men should continue the human race in the ways we men see fit, whether they like it or not.
Are we really delighted? When a woman enters a group, no matter how good looking, I know there will be drama, controlling and egg shell walking. I never liked it. I love being free and women are basically kindergarten teachers lecturing boys. They are feminine fascists. No need for it.
have you sat next to younger women eating with each other lately? listened to them? see how they treat each other? it makes you wanna puke and leave and go get some clean air.
i think your delusional.
No one likes untidiness or uncouth behaviour
@@tinap8227 And it must be you who defines what untidiness and uncouth means?
This is the situation in Japan and has been for many years.
It is becoming more common in Europe as well.
Dating is very expensive. Marriage is ridiculously expensive. Divorce will bankrupt you 😂. And men will have to bear the greatest percentage of these costs. For men, the wisest choice will be to stay single.
1,000 % facts
Women run higher risks in dating of sexual assault, violence, pregnancy, being lied to by men who fake wanting a relationship, stis, stealthing. In marriage, women are expected to work like men, but also raise children, take care of the home (men don't do chores), clean behing the manchild, perform like porn stars, remain young forever and not complain. Men will just be employed and say they live life on "hard mode" because of their "nagging wife''. Fucking lol.
Long term partnering makes sense, just don't get married and don't live in a common law marriage state. The exception would be if she out-earns you. In that case sign those legally binding contracts boys!
@Your.Mum24 While man ass will simply never do it for me, I must acknowledge that long term gay relationships have been reported to be the happiest. Then followed by het, then lez.
@@LiberPater777lesbians have the highest cases of domestic violence.
Honestly, if it wasn't for sex I'd have no reason to deal with a woman at all. 🤷
I’ve been thinking once they figure out how to give men female reproductive abilities it’s literally game over for women. It’s so sad.
Good news for you. Wait till you hit 40 and you can get used to the idea of less sex.
@@okaySamfor reals. It was like, why do I want to talk to them again
You can totally replace women with sex dolls or sex robots. Seriously. Just avoid human females completely and you will have peace and joy of your mind and spirit!!
@@okaySam 39 now. At this point, I'd rather just pay a professional woman to get the job done.
Thanks!
I have come to the conclusion that the only thing I really want from a woman is a 'Plus 1) woman for engagements (social events). It is definitely not something I could have seen develop over the years BUT after considerable thought on this and some stark honesty, this is where I am.
Same! And my name is Dwight Browne with the “e” lol big up my foreign bro!haha
A great video on differentiating between "needing" each other and "wanting/desiring" each other. Well done on highlighting the illusory element as well. Although we are led to believe that we do not NEED each other, we actually do. We NEED each other for having a family, we NEED a significant other for steadfastness, stability and lifelong companionship, we NEED each other for many intangibles and emotionally-balancing and grounding reasons. It's great to love and share one's whole life with a significant other person.
Easier said than done but how does achieve that. A seemingly futile goal for those not in that position
You have to find a person with similar values. There may be some subgroups here, but most American and European women do not place great importance on family, steadfastness or stability.
Very true, but you can't build a home on moving sand as well.
Well that was very concise and to the point. No fillers, artificial colors or flavors in this video.
Right, we don´t "need" each other but certainly a man or women can consciously choose to be vulnerable and open the gate for love not to fulfill their emptiness but to construct a mature relationship. Ups and downs, crisis, fights and even affairs can be handled in certain cases. There are plenty of couples out there showing us this, but I guess it´s always easier to blame others about our issues. Yes, there are damaged people as well who may be avoided for relationships but it´s your work to quick notice this and stop dating or even talking to them.
The thing about infinite potential being nothing reminds me of the story of the genius failures. High I.Q. children with a lot of potential whose indecisiveness allowed them to become nothing. I often volunteer with people and while most people I tend to help are either really dumb or have severe mental health problems, sometimes I meet very intelligent people that are depressed because they just did nothing with their potential. I wonder if tomorrow's women and Chad's will feel like that about never settling down because they enjoyed their optionality.
yeah, to live like that is to live like a monkey in heat. Pleasurable, but if your mental capacity is higher than that of a monkey you'd better do something with your life and forget about your crotch for a while.
Thanks!
The greatest challenge to giving up nothing to gain something is that you are not giving up nothing. In choosing something over nothing, you are giving up ANTICIPATION, aka, dopamine!
But it's not just anticipation you are giving up. It's anticipation of anticipation! The diamine rush caused by anticipating a near limitless supply of future anticipation!
Why would any modern person ever SETTLE and give up all that future dopamine?
Technology, credit cards, restaurants/fast food, pornography, social programs have all made relationships more obsolete. However even the ones you see today are usually resource motivated on the womans part. Our grandparents generation weren't more moral or loving, it was simply necessity as you mentioned. Human nature doesn't change, only the times do. However once men no longer have the incentive to provide for a family, society will erode. Men as a whole will not take the risky high paying jobs as much, nor attend colleges or trade schools. There's no point really if you don't have to provide for a family, as men in general are totally fine with sparse furnishings, basic clothes, small dwellings and an older reliable vehicle. The effects of this societal shift will really be seen in 25 to 50 years, perhaps less. When infrastructures began to collapse, fewer homes are built, less airline pilots, oil workers, construction, plumbers, doctors, etc.
They think they can just keep importing other men from different countries. That is how they pay you back for all the deaths men had to sacrifice in order just to keep society going.
Other men, from poorer countries will fill the roles.
@@TGP109 very true. But I doubt men will give up high paying jobs just like that, because a lot of them make the big bucks to flex on fellow men. Cash is king and amassing loads of it gives men bragging rights and places them in a hierarchy above poor men, I don't see any possibility of them giving that up because they don't want children. If the world really worked that way, all gay men would be poor and destitute.
@@TGP109 Globalism is already being fought on all fronts, borders will be closed within the decade. Fewer people is a good thing though, we don't need 8 billion NPCs swarming around everywhere.
There are other good things in life than 'providing for family' Innovation, scientific advancement would stay here, because the geniuses behind all these don't have primary motive as sex, maybe more of a passion for the work they do, and of course money. And prostitution may become common and normalized, so many of men would have motivation to make money so they can get laid.
Exactly right. I have witnessed this need thing my whole life.
Lucky for me I have been married 48 years to Mrs. Right.
As men we've just started going elsewhere to find someone with similar values, it's so much easier that way
I don't need anyone else to make me happy. I just want to have adventure
Thank you!!! Been saying this for years!!! Not only do we not need eachother but we don’t like eachother! And it’s fine! But let’s stop pretending!!! There is almost no good reason for men and women to interact anymore!
Sorry you feel that way bro😂
For real
I love the modern world! As a woman I wouldn't want to be forced to be with a man even if I didn't like or want him to live. Who would want to live with that ? And I think in the past women needed men more then the other way around relationship-wise. Now women are on a more even playing field in that.
This is the result of modern feminism. This is a step back, not forward. Also men have always needed to understand women to give what they want. Women simply have to exist and be attractive physically to get men interested. The game was never fair.
Marriage, sex and childbirth rates are at all time lows
Women run the risk of getting pregnant, which is a life-altering event, to be sure (while men can just walk away). In the past, this was a lot more dangerous because we did not have efficient contraceptives or abortion techniques nor modern medicine to ensure a safe and smooth pregancy/delivery. So I'd say men had it a lot easier back then, and it made sense for a woman to demand plenty of guarantees.
Nowadays, however, a sexual intercourse carries very little risks to women who protect themselves. They can enjoy sex the same way men do (relatively carelessly so long as they protect themselves). But, wired as they are, they continue to demand tons of guarantees to men even as they no longer necessarily carry his offspring or (with feminism) no longer feel compelled to contribute anything to the household. Under those circumstances, it doesn't make sense to men that women continue being so demanding.
@@Thinker1985
People have tried to end me many a time. Men have never had it better than women and women have never had it hard. Traditional women still benefit from feminist laws and that knowingly. The problem is greed, sloth and deception, not necessity.
It's little wonder so many men are dissatisfied if looks in a woman are all you care about.
@TheJosman
Oh you mean when women stayed home while men did literally everything
Very well said, thought the same thing recently. Also something that I observe more and more is that women, after having a breakup with a guy, just become lesbian and start dating women instead. And of course it makes sense, your own gender understands you much better than the opposite. However, with some statistics saying that about 1/3rd of all women are bisexual, that is a bit concerning...
They are hardwired to be in Chad's harem. Also, you resemble Chad so life should be better for you. If the avatar photo is you then it's interesting that you're even watching this video. If it's hard for you then women as a group must be fvcking up at every level. lol
All the lesbians could leave our countries and just form new colonies somewhere in the north after the apocalyptic climate change will burn the planet. I would wish them genuine luck, and I would politely ask them to film their lives as much as possible. It would be a fun documentary.
In your dreams, hon.@@shin-ishikiri-no
A woman who engages in the bisexual way do so because she has mental issues and traumas, example Amber Heard.
I heard a man say before there a good bit of women who are lesbian and dont like men whatsoever but will deal with men for gain. Gotta take it slow and ask questions.
This was a good analysis. It already mentions it, though not stressed out, that it's not that we don't want a partner, it's that we're mutually not willing to make the exagerated number of concessions we both increasingly demand.
Correction: men and women don’t need each other anymore to fulfill their *short term* needs. This is hugely problematic, as men and women are biologically and psychologically wired to need each other in the *long term*. In the past, those needs tended to align, so satisfying the short term needs would lead to both short term and long term satisfaction. With those needs broadly misaligned today, we might be satisfied in the short term, but we are dissatisfied in the long term. Thus many people slowly slip into despair, or else run from short term high to short term high to get compensate. The good news is that this spiral is avoided in communities that emphasize male-female partnership for both short term and long term fulfillment (usually traditional religio-cultural communities), as well as by individuals who intentionally prioritize their long term goals.
Humans are not wired fot long term monogamous relationship.
Your point is true in the short run. Women seems not to need men anymore on the surface. But civilization does not run by itself. All the basics things for survival that we all give for granted need the daily work of men. Water supply, power supply, plumbing, transportation, ... all the unseen pillars which sustain civilization itself are carried on the back of men. What is the motivation behind all this hard and unrecognized work? family, children, wife. A man does not need much to get by. The ambition for more comes from a single basic motivator. Reproduction.
As the nuclear family is destroyed so is the social contract which serves as the basic motivator for young man to sacrifice themselves for society. A civilization is build by men for women and children. The collapse of western civilization seems inevitable.
Both men and women and depend on other men. What exactly are you trying to refute here?
True, and that's why he said women and men still need each other AROUND, but not necessarily in each other life.
Infinite potential is infinite nothing...this sentence is worth its weight in gold.
Great video Orion, I’m really enjoying this channel. I think a productive and generally happy relationship between a man and women is so valuable for society, it should be more highly incentivized somehow. We are living in unprecedented times.
The theology of the body has been life-changing for me in this regard. It opened my eyes to the complementarity of men and women, not just physically but most especially spiritually. I’m not kidding, it gave me a whole new sense of what it means to be human, and hope for what is possible in partnership with a man.
you didn't find the idea of periodic abstinence rather than contraception to limit the number of children offputting?
@@0biwan7 Are you kidding? I took NFP classes for free at my local hospital. Pretty sure that's what you're talking about - Natural Family Planning. It's a system of using information provided constantly by a woman's body to make informed decisions about conception. I consider it vastly superior to contraception, which requires no self-knowledge at all and only the barest minimum of communication. You could use the same form of contraception in a relationship for years without ever learning a damned thing about yourself or even talking about it. NFP puts you in a space where you take your reproductive powers into account, gather data, and let that drive your choices, which requires that you communicate about it frequently. It's so much more thoughtful and respectful, particularly towards the woman. I guess if I wanted to be enabled to act on my base instincts without really thinking, I'd definitely find it off-putting. As it stands, I deeply appreciate knowing so much more about how my body works, and having the ability to gather data about myself and use it to make an informed choice. I'd rather be in a partnership where this kind of thoughtfulness and knowledge are valued than in one where we just contracept and abandon ourselves to our hormones. Disciplining your sexuality out of love for another person is an extraordinary act.
Rich content, thanks!
If they don't need men, next time they need something done, call around and find a woman to do it. Like, next time you need a mechanic or a plumber or something like that try to find a woman to do it... I'll wait... my point is that women still need men for survival, they just don't notice those men because they are seen as low status, taken for granted and subconsciously seen as expendable.
Call around men to be babysitters, nurses, doctors, work in elder care, birth people. Men are paid for the jobs they do just like women, it does not mean men are more important.
@@divusgamer853 Honestly did not read the whole paragraph due to your stupid "survival scenario" (what's the point ?) but if you want to argue stupids why not.
You survived because your mother took care of you as an infant. There. Women and men participate in the survival of the species, and women mostly do it via care-taking. I guess you don't value that, probably due to low emotional intelligence.
I don't know why you want to argue "who's more important men or women", but I would say your problem is not ''men' or "women, it's the fact that obviously, you feel very unimmportant yourself, or you would not be so interested in the topic. So maybe you should adress that.
For the rest of your rant, yes having a job and a good income is better if you want a family. Times are hard.
This was laid out pretty simply at the beginning of the video: society, on a macro level, needs both genders for various reasons. Behind closed doors, at a personal level, neither men nor women need each other. So your point about plumbers and mechanics and etc service providers is moot, and for people who lay claim to logic purely based on their gender, it is puzzling how many men in these comments are fixated on that point. Those are professions both men and women pay for. Your average man is a white collar fellow who cannot fix a car / do plumbing / build a house / lay a road etc either, and no man is fixing or building anything for anyone, male or female, for free.
@@cevanille1104 I am more likely to find a man in every one of those positions you described than I am to find a woman in the others that I described.
@@BigD4Real. Sure, share your sources :)