The New McLaren Artura: What They Did Right, What They Did Wrong And What's Next
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- In today's video about the delightful McLaren, we talk the new Artura V6 hybrid supercar. McLaren seem to be listening to criticisms, and they're making some big steps in the right direction - but a couple of pieces of their marketing strike me as very odd indeed, and I ask why they felt the need to do things this way.
I'm sure McLaren fans will hate me whatever I say about the car (hence the clickbait title) but I hope the rest will see this as the balanced video I tried to make.
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11:30 let me stop you right here. I’ve read the press release as well and they do mention the fact that the e motor puts out 50 ps sustained and peak power is 95 ps. It is under the table with the technical specifications. If you would have read this press release carefully you would have seen this, but no, you chose to brush over this fact and decided to put another click bait video out to bash McLaren. Well done, James, well done.
From the official press release
1 Power is 95PS (70kW) transient and 50PS (37kW) sustained (4.6 kW/Kg). Peak torque utilised is 225Nm. Torque distribution from the V6 internal combustion engine and the E-motor is managed to optimise powertrain driveability characteristics, not simultaneously at maximum - hence 720Nm overall.
You are correct and I will pin this comment to draw attention to it. The mention of it is made below the table, I had expected it to be in the table.
What they do not mention in the release is the duration of full power, or the time to "recover".
EDIT. The offending segment is going to be edited out of the video, but I will leave this comment as a marker.
In any case, the principle stands. You should put the baseline figure up in lights and say "by the way, it's even better under x conditions".
Not put 'sometimes' figures in the headline with caveats and small print saying "well, not really".
@@JayEmmOnCars Good on you James - is it still true to say that in the rush to be the best, the biggest, the fastest, the mostest whateverist no-one cares more than all those people who will probably never even see one let alone own one?
The question is have the McLaren team thought of some of the points you're discussing in the video? I doubt they have.
75,000 miles warranty is A LOT. Ford UK gives 3yrs/60k warranty for some easy and cheap to fix Fiesta. Good job McLaren!
Now long do you think it will take most McLaren owners to get to 75k miles? And is the warranty transferrable between owners? Is the warranty void if you take it on a track day?
@@Hypersonik that depends. When I was living in UK there was quite a few expensive cars on the roads, it wasn't unusual to see McLaren, Ferrari, Bentley etc. so people in UK are actually driving those cars. As for transferability of warranty, I don't know. I'm not sure about tracking that car either, from what I heard they forbidden taking those cars unless it's event organized by McLaren but I could be very wrong about this
@@8draco8 Artura Daily, if you will.
Ferrari do 7 year warranty (of servicing)
thing is how much does a fiesta cost?
Jay, I for 1 totally agree with you... I know McLaren from the inside... I know facts about the attitude they have ... from the board to the build shop . All your comments are valid & accurate. Great channel BTW.
The two people I wanted to hear speak on the McLaren Artura:
1.) Frank Stephenson
2.) JayEmm on Cars
Halfway there. Thanks, man. 👍
EDIT: After hearing some of McLaren’s claims as outlined in this video, I want to hear Engineering Explained’s thoughts too...
add harry metcalfe to that list
After 15 seconds in the Artura you're going fast enough already.
I want to like McLaren, I want to desire a McLaren, but when I learned that they void their extended warranty in the US for so much as doing a track day.... I just don’t see the point.
.....the only McLaren I desire to own is the Mercedes SLR tbh. 🙅♂️
Aren't all warranties voided via track days?
@@bmx687 it depends on the company, but most will honor the warranty as long as the car wasn't obviously abused. Porsche, for example, will perform reasonable repairs like if the transmission or engine explodes and you treated and maintained the car within it's expected use. But if you burn up something like a wheel bearing, you might be on the hook as that's an expected wear item under hard conditions.
@@bmx687 another example I know of... Ford, for example, will warranty Mustangs of GT or greater trim level with track use as long as, again, it's not obviously abused. So if you money shift it, you're out of luck. But if the engine explodes during normal operation, you're good.
Also note that as far as I know every single manufacturer has a "no racing" clause in their warranty. So if you enter your car in a competition event, like time attack, you're out of luck.
@@bmx687 Hehe not even close. My GT3 blew an oil cooler seal ON THE TRACK, and was flat bedded directly to the Porsche dealer which did the service under warranty..
I've even got a video on my channel about it.
Your videos are pushing McLaren to the best.
or over the edge
Leave it mate. Your McLaren nitpicking is weakening your channel.
Drive it, review it then your opinion will be more respected.
Otherwise a brilliant channel with honest reviews.
Very well said.
Yes
Let’s hope this is the rebirth McLaren Automotive customers deserve,It sounds like a lot of issues have been addressed.
Behind The Glass just did an episode concerning this.
Warranty is a good thing... if customer service has changed.
Otherwise, anytime anyone actually tries to claim they will likely accuse the owner of misuse. And if one claims a second time, "maybe you aren't really a McLaren customer"...
8/10 shirt.
A nice naval setting;
For some dream car vetting.
In regards to your last point about not seeing McLarens out and about, here in Sevenoaks I see them all the time
@Adam Balding I live near Sevenoaks. Not aware of any mclaren factory nearby. There is a service centre though.
I work near Wilmslow, Alderley edge, etc in Cheshire... They're the VW Golf of the area... I've seen so many 720S they don't seem special any more...
Have you ever used 670ps for more than 15 seconds in a car like this ! The 15 sec limit comes from the Battery not the motor. A small battery cannot deliver 94ps continuous. This is true of all hybrids with small batteries/large motors. In the real world it will deliver 670ps when you plant the throttle.
He really is just picking at them! Clearest sign yet! You could say the same about every hybrid so far! Definitely the p1, 918 and la Ferrari l.
The LaFerrari was another car that claimed to have 950 Hp, however it was for only short bursts from the electric motor also. In reality it was a 789 hp car for alot of the time as far as I understand.
I’m curious now, do the other holy trinity cars work like this?
@@devandrasimanjuntak1646 Not sure about the P1 and 918, I've only heard of the LaFerrari working in this way.
SF90 the same , even worse because e motors shut off at 140 km/h
No the front motors of SF90 shut off at speed, however the rear motor then ups the power it provides to total peak does not change (is my understanding)
This comment could not be more false....
There are videos of the LaFerrari having it’s full power at speeds way past 200mph (322km/h). In fact, it did 231mph (372km/h) on the Autobahn before the electric power depleted.
Im sorry but in the statement read it has the equivilent of downforce. So its much more stable under breaking and trailing throttle. There is nothing confusing about that. I love how deep you have gone into this but it feels like you have been clutching at straws trying to pick holes. They have also stated they will be making less cars and better quality control also. They have done a fantastic job with covering most bases many customers have had problems with.
I think they should be applauded.
I think they get applause in this video for their commitment to customer service and warranty concerns.
All HP numbers are really just peak HP. Anyone that has tuned a car or seen a HP graph knows this...
Exactly. It doesn't have 680 or 640 available most of the time. It probably has about 400 available most of the time how most people drive.
Not with an e-motor filling in gaps in power/torque curve though
Late to the party with this video but I was looking through the comments to see if anyone had made this point. Thank you! No combustion engine is producing the quoted HP figure 100% of the time the throttle is pressed. I think it’s really harsh to call McLaren out for this.
I think they will keep V8 for 720 replacement and Hyper cars.
the Mclaren GT seems to be its most successful in germany. I live in Munich and saw 3 in the last year, which is more than 720S here
They are also fairly common to see in my part of the world, too (San Diego)... There are several in my neighborhood, and I even saw two driving around in one day last week - both privately owned.
It's quite obvious you don't like McLaren isn't it fella ! Don't see the problem with the quoted power output & the V6 motor is there for there entry supercar leaving the V8 for the full on supercars ! Just saying .
Wait until that car goes on the dyno then see how the artura pushes 710hp.
McLaren always downplays their numbers.
Exactly. Well said.
From a practical stand point it depends on how quickly it recovers back to the peak power mode. If it can be back at peak power quickly enough you wouldn't really notice any drop off
When you said the GT I thought you meant the 570 GT, then I realized how much I've already forgotten about the GT! 😅
the same hp question already happened on a golf gti (clubsport I think) that always made 260 hp and then, in overboost (for 15 seconds), made 290 and VW marketed it as being an 290 hp golf gti
McLaren "Arthur". Never mind the bollocks, it's definitely a bloody Arthur. 🤣😂🤣
The Artura is really cheap in the Netherlands because of emissions. I love how stupid our country is and how it works.
Aston Martin V8 Vantage (€ 211.000)
McLaren Artura (€ 235.500)
Lamborghini Huracán LP580-2 (€ 247.221)
Audi R8 V10 quattro (€ 235.860)
McLaren GT (252.065)
So you're complaining about the Artura being cheaper because your country likes that it doesn't harm the environment as much as the others?
@@alvaro1728 No, nothing against the car sorry!
I think it is really weird how only the change from V8 to V6 can mean such a difference in costs in our country.
We pay like 60k in taxes over a Mustang GT last time I checked, but cars like the SF90 and Artura probably only cost like 30k in taxes.
Got to admit I think it works, but really dislike it. This new hybrid trend does work in our country tho!
(So nothing against the car)
@@iaintdonknow no worries. They're using taxes to keep people away from gas guzzlers. The difference does seem dramatic.
@@alvaro1728 no, they are not. a lot of mild hybrids drink gas as if it was free, and the taxes reduction still applies in many places.
I wonder how much they’re gonna sell in the Netherlands, I live there and I don’t ever see McLarens driving around.
It drops power after 15 seconds of full throttle. Given that the car apparently does 0-125mph in 8 seconds - how often is anyone going to be driving for 15 whole seconds of full throttle? Even on a track day or a drag strip you will never get to 15 seconds of full throttle before you have to slow down.
Its peak power output is 671bhp, I don't really think this is lying.
Ford did the same thing with their "overboost" on their ST/RS models, claimed power output decreased after 15 secs of full throttle. Even in my Fiesta ST I'd rarely be able to go 15 seconds full throttle without changing gear. Only when going 110+ in top gear. So it seems even less relevant in a car with 3x the power.
My issue is more McLaren don't mention this anywhere in their literature. You are right 15 seconds should be enough- but is it reset as soon as you lift, or do you have to wait a minute?
@@JayEmmOnCars it’s possible that the peak hp won’t change after the 15 seconds. The way that powerbands for ICE and electric motors differ often means that you can’t add together their peak numbers. Manufacturers often claim peak combined power numbers. No idea if that’s what McLaren have done here.
Everyone knows that every McLaren ever made puts out MORE power than rated and here is this fool saying they are lying and it has less. Honestly wish this guy would just give up on slagging off McLaren. It’s getting very old.
Here’s a tip. Don’t watch the video!
@@Voidify980Shorts Hopefully nobody will watch it and then this dribble will end...
Artura - the Arthur 😂😂 too funny... reminds me the Alfa “Tonale” the toe...nail... haha sounds like Macca are still trying to figure out what they want to be when they grow up.
Have to admit it sounds better than cayenee.
I doubt there is any racetrack in the world where you can nail a 680bhp supercar for 15 seconds straight including the ring
Just looking at F1 tracks (easier to get the data), a bunch of circuits have >1km straights. You'd have to average 150mph to do that in 15s. A fair number have 1.2km which means you'd need to average 180mph. Doesn't account for braking zones so take 100m off and it's still 165mph average, so yes there are definitely tracks where you can be at full throttle for that long.
The 'Ring doesn't really have long straights on the BTG lap, full lap has 2km (2.5 counting a full throttle kink) but there are long sections at full throttle. What matters though is regen time. If you only use 3s per straight, you have 5 straights of power if it doesn't recharge. It doesn't use braking regen so can it recharge quickly enough to regain that 3s in each corner?
Are we clutching at straws here? Firstly, McLaren hasn’t hidden or denied that the maximum power is not permanent. Secondly, 1 electric horse is stronger than 1 petrol horse, because a petrol horse loses probably 30% of its power in heat, transmissions, driveshafts, etc. And it’s not like we’re talking small numbers anyway, the car is still fast as fuck.
Which is why I say it doesn't matter, and agree with you that the car is almost certain to be blindingly quick anyway
‘One electric horse is stronger than 1 petrol horse’
No. Horsepower is torque x RPM. It doesn’t matter how much energy from the fuel is wasted in the process of creating it, you are measuring the end result.
@@mcgherkinstudios Semantics. You know what I meant.
@@SCYorks Haha, I'm not entirely sure that is all he ever does
@@JayEmmOnCars It's just that I'm not sure the video was warranted is all I'm trying to say. Looking forward to the next video! Hopefully, no McLaren bashing in the next one ;-)
I think the issue with the suspension on the website is wholey some marketing drone who doesn't know what they're talking about as usual.
That is almost certainly the case
Not quite sure they make good cars with their eyes shut. It takes a lot of dedication, hard work, testing, tuning, all-nighters, and passion to make amazing cars. The fact the U.K. has so many car enthusiasts certainly helps.
After 16 seconds of 680hp you are really, really moving. Many smaller highly turbo'd blocks will be heatsoaked to an extent by that point (old A45?), So I don't see this as much of an issue.
Exactly as this car is as fast as a 720S to 300 km/h.
If all you care about is demolishing back roads and GT cruising, 16 seconds is more than enough.
@@drifter1234100 no way it's the same speed, a 720 has ~700 whp on a dyno and does 4.5/4.6 sec 100-200km/h, I don't think it will do the same
@@coolguy_2997 I said you 300 km/h. Research it.
The same could be said about the Laferrari, P1, SF90, 918 regarding the power! Also where are you going full throttle for longer than 15 secs in a McLaren other than the Autobahns? You’ll be doing 170mph! The battery soon recharges so on a track you’ll get full power all the time!
True enough - a 918 will run out of juice on a single 'ring lap and you're left with a heavy car with 600bhp. On the road and on most tracks you'd never notice though.
I really like this new Autura. The lease deals are great on the GT in the USA.
This is why Mclaren released the car so late because the U.S is basically the target market. People over in U.k just bash the brand and only discuss the negatives irrespective of the fact that they hardly drive the car outside london city and have shit driving roads.
Elva and Senna aside, I suspect putting a proper name on the Artura is a strategem to escape power output comparisons with the alphanumeric model designations and their ICE-only powertrains.
I also think Artura is the start of McLaren pivoting into electric power in a massive way, and the equipment spec mess between models will be temporary. Although I do agree that Artura could have been positioned better. I see the platform evolving with V6 output staying relatively stable and the electric output increasing.
In three years, maybe two, it is very possible that McLaren's next halo car will be pure electric, if only because things like Evija exist, but mainly because the entire industry is set to completely abandon petrol over the next 15 years.
I still desperately want one, just a shame i'm poor, anyway fingers crossed lottery tonight!!!
About the v6 working so hard, the 765lt has 188.75 hp per liter, and the artura will have 190 hp per liter so it lines up
James im glad you tell it like it is and i hope Mclaren is listening. I love my 570GT but the little problems here and there get annoying. Im hoping Artura is a big step forward in the reliability department.
Why don’t mclaren make a baby sports car with the new V6 that could bring more people into the brand .. like a boxer
No money in it.
@@ImBarryScottCSS give the car butterfly doors, make it 400hp and charge 60k for it. Would sell like there is no tommorow.
Make it exactly the same as other mclarens, just smaller
They would lose £60k on every car
Splitting hairs there james. How many people will be using these cars over 15seconds. Loads of Car companies have been at this. Do like the comments on how best to align the cars in the mclaren family in a more logical way though
Yeah, especially in GT applications, bursts of speed for overtaking or coming across a decently straight stretch of back road are absolutely appropriate. For my money, I can't wait to see reviews, so I can learn more about how the motor torque-fills.
One better thing about the GT is it's V8 has the same firing as a P1, not the 720S, so the Novitec McLaren GT sounds the best of any current McLaren. The replacement for the 720S could have the GT's 4L V8 + hybridization for 800PS.
I live in Mexico, although originally from England can’t wait to receive my car in April 2023. Great video..Thanks for info.
5 year warranty is an absolute game changer, and they should have done free servicing during that period too, to directly challenge Ferrari. That would make the first 5 years effectively risk-free and the buyers will be able to buy them purely on the performance and handling; two areas where they have never struggled.
I believe some dealers will be doing service packs with the car also
@@JayEmmOnCars but you’ll have to pay for it I expect? If it’s free, winner!
A new McLaren video? Do I watch now, or wait to the evening and watch it whilst tucking into some popcorn? Popcorn at lunch time would be crazy.
Edit: I compromised, watch now while having lunch and a packet of crisps.
Dis gon b gud
Regarding better suspension being equivalent to more downforce, I get it. They haven't said it adds downforce, they've said the effect is the same as adding downforce. The whole point of suspension is to keep the wheels in contact with the ground. If it works well, your tyres are going to grip the road better. If it works badly, and the tyres are bouncing around, they're not contributing to grip. That's what downforce does - it forces the wheels onto the road. They probably worked out that they could get over the skittish braking by adding a heap of downforce, but that would have compromised the car in other situations, either because of increased drag, making the front too light, or simply packaging more extreme aero.
I can't understand McLaren's history of stockpiling cars; it makes no sense. It might work for Kia, but these are supposed to be special. Anyone shelling out this sort of money on a car is going to want it just right. They want the right (possibly custom) colour, both inside and out, a number of optional extras, etc. One thing they don't want, is an off-the-shelf car. If you buy a bespoke suit, you don't expect to pick it up the same day, and waiting a few months for your personally spec'ed car is expected. I suspect most people who did buy a McLaren, didn't buy the one in the showroom. Although the dealer made a sale, they still have the old one on the floor, and it looks like they aren't selling. If you have to wait for car to be built, you pay full price, but the dealer can offer a tasty discount on the ex-display model to keep their stock ticking over.
"Pay 40 grand just to get out of their car" Christ... If you buy a sofa, then sell it, then you haven't made money. But you had a god damn sofa. You cant expect to MAKE MONEY on buying a car. When you buy something. Then you buy something. Everything isnt collectible, nor would that make any kind of sense.
The V6 is absolutely what they needed. Why put a detuned V8 in the lower spec cars over a highly tuned V6 that has a better P/W ratio? The criticism of McLaren is that all their cars are too alike. Carbon tub, V8, with a different body. The GT should have been front mid engine, Ferrari are not shy of doing them.
I had my battery die on an old A3 etron. Luckily was in the 10 year battery warranty or would have cost 15k to replace.
The car was 7 years old, so this would put me off getting any hybrid in the future. Especially a mclaren with only 6 year battery warranty.
I'll be sticking to ICE until full electric cars have been more established.
I've been taking close attention to the biggest market for McLaren, which is the US. They love them! The biggest channels over there have various McLaren models in there garages. Dave from DDE abused a 12C for a long time with no real issues. Just look at the 720 they are working on. The point is all cars are going to unreliable at some point, regardless of what they are. The point is the after service. Let me put it this way. I bought a brand new car what had issues. It was a pain but the dealership treated me & talked to me with respect. It never cost me a single penny for things to be corrected & I always got the car back washed & cleaned etc. While these repairs were going on I would drink some very nice coffee & jump in & out of other cars in the show room, use there Wi-Fi :) get to no the staff! Please remember how Lamborghini started!!!
North America, sure. DDE is Canadian.
The 4 liter V8 in previous and current models is a gem; I love it BUT my word does it drink; like seriously a lot !!! This had to be the way forward IMHO
@DriverandtheKid it is impossible to resist pushing the 720s hard; this Kim Basinger 19080s - irresistible ☺️
I am McLaren owner and could careless about mpg, if it ain’t low you ain’t trying 👍
Was there something about the fiesta ST making 200bhp however they could not market it as such because it made 20bhp on overboost and not 200bhp all the time. However in the US they can say it makes 200BHP. So with UK marketing laws could McLaren get away with it?
I love watching this guy shit on McLaren 😂😂😂😂
you need more going on in your life. Let me guess you cant afford them
@@clubgel That or [another brand] fanboy. Probably both.
build quality is ass :((( but they are nice when they work and if they do
@@axaxaaxaxa6269 seems they improved in this generation will get better and better.
@@axaxaaxaxa6269 on my second McLaren. Had a 570s for a year. No issues. Upgraded to a 720s. Almost at 2 years. No issues. 🤷♂️
Nice to hear someone recognise the poor customer service and after sales service from McLaren. Brand new 600lt broke down after a few months ownership with 1,300 miles on the clock. It spent a total of 6 months in the repair shop as McLaren couldn't get their act together to source the replacement part. McLaren attempted to deliver the car back twice during the 6 months period but the car had to be sent back each time 1st oild spilled in our garage (o-ring poorly installed, slipped and strained a wrist) 2nd attempt the Mclaren garage damaged the paintwork and broke the front wing carbon priod to delivery (claiming it wasn't them, thank go for camera phones!) What really upsets as a buyer is that I got no apology, no compensation; in fact all I got was accusations and distrust from the McLaren customer services and afiliate companies. Good cars (my second) but McLaren is not a luxury brand and they definetly do not offer the service all serious luxury brands offer.
Get the confusing point about power
However the strength of a hybrid is the torque which is instant and that’s the real benefit on the road
And of course for the Co2 emissions game
Am I the only one who loves the rockers on the dash so you don't have to take your hands off the wheel.
I really like everything about the car, the only criticism I have is that I was expecting you'd get more out of the battery rather than just torque fill. I'd like to know more about the battery tech they've used, how it ranks up to the competitors like Rimac/Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini (and even Tesla with the Roadster which fingers crossed will start production in 2022).
There's a rumour they're using BMW batteries
I was thinking exactly last week what you saying with why they did the GT , Mever made sense at all
I understand your point, but this is true of many electric traction motors. Their continuous rating (for a typical permanent magnet machine) is usually about half the peak power rating, as is the case here.
However, it's incorrect to assume that after 15s the peak power drops to the continuous rating. Instead, it'll be a gradual reduction of power in line with the temperature limits/thermal control model in the software. This is tested and calibrated to give the peak power as much of the time as possible - exactly as the thermal de-rate strategy of turbocharged cars is too.
I suspect that the hybrid control strategy will be heavily optimised to ensure that maximum e-motor power is available as often as possible during a "hot lap". In normal driving modes you might want to maximise regenerative braking for maximum efficiency - but this also heats the motor up. So a trick (used by some OEMs) is to reduce regen braking in a performance/race mode, which gives the e-motor more time to recover in-between bursts of tractive power. I don't know whether McLaren have done that here though.
Well a new Porsche gt3 puts out 510ps at 8400rpm I don’t think it’s more then 15 seconds after you have to change gear. Despite that, it’s advertised at 510ps. That’s how it works, so that’s how mclaren works as well. Power output is a not consistent in any car.
I wonder how long after the 15s the electric motor gives full power again
Not long! On a track you won’t run out!
Interesting to note that they do not have brake regeneration on the car though - so I'm not sure what methods they'll use to get power back in hot lap scenarios
@@JayEmmOnCars The electric motor itself is regenerative according to their head of electric drive technology.
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Yeah it's uses engine power when the engine is not using all its power accelerating so not ruin brake feel by using brake regen.
My first impression was that it's underwhelming... Porsche did the 918 Spyder 8 years ago already, with more power and probably better performance.
The battery is very small, and the electric motor isn't very powerful either... they did manage to keep weight down, so that's a step in the right direction, but still....
I’m no suspension expert either but I think it is possible that if the rear suspension is tweaked appropriately that it can give additional stability that keeps the car planted under conditions its predecessor fell short. Stating this is equivalent to hundreds of kilos of additional downforce therefore makes some sense bc the car itself has less overall under/oversteer, which additional downforce would also do.
I hope McLaren do well with this car.
The reliability issues with previous McLarens seem to not just be the failure rates but compounded by being designed in such a way that faults where not easy to rectify when they occurred (e.g. treating the entire gearbox as a disposable unit 🤦♂️.) I appreciate though that designing a road car is far higher in difficulty than a race car because you have to relentlessly pursue reliability through exhaustive testing to the point of failure, redesigning and starting again. People who haven't worked in car manufacturing cannot appreciate that quality needs to be built in at every stage, it is a gruelling and relentless challenge to build a road car. You don't appreciate how much time invested into even a simple question like "how can we engineer this car so the brake pads/lamps/undertray etc. can be changed in less time and lower cost than any rival?" If you make a mistake or take a short cut there will be nowhere to hide when things go wrong.
Customers expect all cars they buy, particularly expensive ones, to be akin to a Toyota and Honda. 🤷🏻♂️
You're definitely neutral and honest. But you seem to scrutinise McLaren more.
Porsche and Aston get plenty too
@@SCYorks I've said plenty of good things about McLaren, including in this very video which it sounds to me like you didn't listen to
It’s justified, they have many flaws
@@JayEmmOnCars come to think of it that's very true, I certainly remember some Porsche videos from a while back and you didn't take any prisoners for the quality of the Taycan's interior. I agree with you about the horse power figure, manufactures don't quote over boost figures as the actual figure. Keep up the good work.
I really like the evolved look. It's a pretty thing. The V6 will probably sound better than the V8 too. Yes, let's call it "The Arthur" Thats gotta stick.
I honestly think you're clutching on this one James. To say "it's not always making that power" can be said of ANY car. Your s2000 is a perfect example or any turbo car.
Also if you are going belive mclaren power figures bigger fool you they have always made more than marketed haven't they? And if you're going to be on full chat for longer than 15 seconds you're doing well.
However agree 100% on the suspension guff
I think I made it fairly clear that in the real world it isnt a concern, but it is very different to a normal car. Hold my S2000 on a dyno for a minute and it should still make the same power (all being equal etc etc)
14:00 Maybe (just an hypothesis) They improved the rear ride height consistency and this could affect the diffuser efficiency ?
Great analysis as always
As much as I love your channel, this is not your finest work! It all seems very unnecessary
I would like to think more why you think so?
@@JayEmmOnCars All car manufacturers use marketing strategies to create their own narrative. A video like this could be made about any new car launched picking apart their use of specs and language. It just seems like a bit of an attack on McLaren to back up your past videos of how much you dislike the way McLaren does things. I completely agree that McLaren have let themselves down with quality control and sales/aftersales and that's very frustrating but they have admitted these short comings so all we can do is hope that the Artura is an improvement.
However just because I am not keen on the content of this video I do love your channel and your honesty and I always look forward to what you will share next. Keep up the good work 👍
@@davidmilligan6028 This is why I took pains to try and put plenty of positive things in the video, and put them at the start too - I genuinely believe this is a good step forward for them.
@@SCYorks You're confusing McLaren with Ferrari. ;P
@JLH sue him for what he said it was a good car and that McLaren were going in the right direction, on the whole I got positives from J’s vid
Btw the GT doesn't have the fancy suspension of the Super series, its a a more conventional system like in the 570.
Strange video, asking why it doesn't have the 4 litre is like wondering why the new Defender doesn't have a 3.9 rover V8.
Half of the issues raised are not really about this car but about the future range that McLaren are understandably keeping close to their chest.
This is the only JayEmm McLaren video that has made me think hmmm, something isn't quite right here.
I like the way Porsche manage the numbers of their cars and improve the residual values. Each dealer has a limited allocation of build slots for a model and if you want to buy one you get in quick with no discount or they’ll will happily let you leave as they know someone else will come along and take the slot. If the product is good, people will buy it and wait if they have to.
I am no expert, but I think what they mean when they say the suspension has an improvement equivalent to 100s of kilos of down force is that the stability of the rear end has been improved in a way that equates to the equivalent of adding a big wing to the back that generates 100s of kilos of down force, therefore, making the rear end more planted and predictable.
Kind of like how front suspension geometry can mean the difference between understeer, oversteer and balanced steering. It feels more planted and stable with more grip and turbines as if there were additional weight siding the front tires... weight from down force.
A good balanced video.For those of you who missed it he did say all of positives and there were a lot.Indeed the negatives were valid and were more advice of how to produce a better experience.Now that to me shows he wants them to succeed for sure.
Thankyou Andy, I'm glad somebody saw that I tried to make it a balanced vid!
McLaren replaces their cars faster than me replacing my shoes
@DriverandtheKid I have 3 shoes from 2016 on a daily basis, one from 2014 and another one from from 2010 wearing them on the weekends .. For the last decade at least, compared to MP4, P1, 650, 570, GT, Senna, 720, Elva, speedtail, not to mention the special editions ...
So relatively, I wish McLaren cared for maintaining the cars they sold and make the owners proud and comfortable as I care for my shoes. I'm not going to compare it to Lambos though ...
I think a different question could be - Do McLaren make too many similar cars?
@@weallfollowmanutd totally agree with that
It's not that you intentionally lied about the fact that McLaren didn't state the HP drop after 15 seconds. It's about you constantly dismissing the brand whenever the opportunity arises. It's evident that you have always had an issue with McLaren.
Get over it mate, McLaren builds the ultimate sport cars.
It doesn't. In your opinion, yes, but not objectively. This shows that you are a fan of McLaren and thus don't have the right to bash people who are unbiased. James reveals mistakes of other brands too (Aston, lotus, Porsche, etc), and it is extremely clear if you actually watch his videos that he isn't biased for or against any motoring brand.
1. That new rocker system for the modes looks like something from an old Citroen
2. The Fiesta ST Mk7 had 180 HP which would over-boost to something like 212HP for 15 seconds, (except for the st200 special edition that did 212 all the time) and it was always marketed/known as the ST180
The GT doesn't have the cross-linked suspension.
You sure? All the reviews said it was essentially 720 suspension. The 570 GT has normal roll bars
@@JayEmmOnCars Check Dan Prosser's review for PistonHeads.
@@JayEmmOnCars Hi Jay, google the Autocar road test of the McLaren GT: “The GT is suspended by coil springs, double-valved adaptive dampers and conventional anti-roll bars. Although it uses the same suspension control software as the 720S, it doesn’t use McLaren’s interlinked damping hydraulics.”
This is definitely not a clickbait title lol, it's very straightforward in fact!
This guy is such an expert. I’m surprised he hasn’t been signed up by Mclaren or even started his own super car brand. What a knob.
Love the look of the car and hope the build quality and reliability are good . The new warranty is a great step forward. Always supported the F1 team
So great to see a British super car company competing at the highest level.
Will the warranty cover track use? If not its a little pointless as that is the only place you can properly explore any of the McLarens potential
People buy them to pose and tell other people they have one.
@DriverandtheKid Brill, keeping the warranty for track is a winner no doubt.
About the rear suspension... I think what McLaren wanted to say at first was "This suspension layout is engineered as such to maintain maximum tyre contact patch to the asphalt, helping the car to generate grip equivalent of hundreds of kilos of downforce from if a rear wing is fitted." But that would be an absolute handful.
But then they botched the wording again.
The 720s replacement will have a more powerful electric engine.
Or, it'll pair a similar electric motor to a downsized V8.
One needs to drive one before giving an option about one...
I honestly believe they will never have the funds to support a warranty like this on their cars and even if they do, I suspect it won’t be worth the paper it’s written on,. Given their previous history with customer care, I would imagine they will do everything in their power to void it at the drop of a hat!
Car companies that are not tied in to MERCHANDISING, such as Ferrari are only concerned with selling cars. They are not concerned with aftermarket sales prices. ALL EXOTIC used car prices fluctuate with the American stock market and global stimulus packages, and nothing else. Ferrari is listed as a luxury goods company, and that is their marketing as well.
Good observations..... I’d suggest the single and easiest lever to pull to enhance Macca residual value is to extend the current 3 year warranty to 5 thereby boosting confidence in second / third user market....
My guess is an engineer said "it feels as stable as a 570s would be with hundreds of kilos of downforce" and a marketing person ran with that a bit too far
Why does McLaren a new brand get bashed for unreliability! How long were ferrari unreliable? How long were lambo unreliable cough cough ! Decades is the answer !!!! And that will get sorted with experience and time! Mac get bashed a lot when in reality they have built the best car ever the f1 and the p1 the 675lt and there a new company competing with brands that have been around for half a century! Building a brand takes time and mistakes happen and they are learning and admiting fault! This is all garbage gossip! And if there so bad why do they sell so many cars! The 720 is a absolute machine that does everything road and track better than everyone! But it gets a fault in the radio not working or some little issue it's trashed! Ferarri and lambo were horrible for decades! Get a 355 see how reliable it is and how much it costs to run it! All just car politics for something to gossip about!!
Jay ive been following the videos for a while and they are superb.. Regarding McLaren you really do hate the product and i think it is hilarious 😂 10/10 will watch again
Remember, Porsche quoted something like 620hp for Taycan Turbo and Turbo S, and then revealed that in launch mode both makes 680 and 760hp respectively. McLaren needs to learn from Porsche on how to explain that their car actually makes extra power when needed.
Even my M2 only supplies 12 seconds of max boost before it pulls power. If you think about it, after 12 seconds, you're hauling bacon anyway.
Forever to be known as the Arthur!
Lol I'm going to use this
I can’t be the only one thinking of the Dudley Moore character....
Would have been a refreshing change to have McLaren launch both the Coupe and the Spyder at the same time, then just build them to order.
Let the dealer concentrate on customer service rather than selling cars.
Also I wonder why they didn’t make the buttress’ out of glass as per the 720 spider? 🤔
Cost probably
It sounds to me as though someone has a bee in their bonnet, how can you be so definive about a car you're not going to get near? Henry Catchpole's review comes from spending time in the car, and frankly is a much more credible account.I don't wish to bash you but I think this is above your pay grade.
“Hundreds of kilos of downforce” is really a damning indictment of the 570.
Same buyers market but now instead of a skittish light back end, it’s not got the weight of the car on the rear wheels. I’d say to any 570 owner, it will feel like extra downforce.
Still a ridiculous statement though
The st180 makes 197 on over boost however has to be marketed as 180 in the U.K. standard because it’s not permanent. As I understand it
18:12 Shmee150 the ambassador of McLaren will buy one....
Let’s hope not
@@brentpowell7889 LOL.....probably get one for free
As a HIFI lover James ,what's your thoughts on the whole industry quoting peak power, which in reality is a max for a nano second before it blows something and would sound horrible running at the quoted peak power ?
Wattage in hifi seems so arbitrary, I have heard 20wpc systems which sound amazing