Nice picking bud! Those look like a fun picking experience. It's definitely something that I knew nothing about until now. Thanks for the video! Keep on picking!
Couldn't be any better bud, That lock is no joke. And you sir made it look easy as always. 😮 I have developed quite the attachment to slider locks as of late. I am currently working on the Scorpion CX5 And it to os no joke. lol Thanks for sharing this awesome pick, and explaining how it works is so enlightening. 👍🖒
That was a great show. Thanks for the effort to get it picked. I had this lock for so long but now I was clear that it should visit you to get picked. Great job. I was probably to weak with my tension by just using a pry bar and pulling on the edge. Have you seen that on some sliders two gates are next each other, just like for master keying. But I bought this lock standalone - very strange. Again, awesome picking :-)
Thanks so much my friend! And thank you again for lending me your lock! I really had a wonderful time with it. I don't think you could really get enough tension on that core by just pulling on the edge with a pry bar. It really did require an awful lot of tension to get those sliders to bind and stay in place. I was pretty surprised really by how much it took, and I still don't really feel like I understand why. I did notice the rings with double cuts, as well as the ones that were cut exactly where the sidebar was. The double cuts make make sense to be for master keying, but I'm at a loss to explain those zero cuts. Also strange that you bought this one as stand alone and it would be master keyed. A very strange lock indeed!
I take all my locks out for a few drinks before picking them. Seems to put them in a better mood overall and makes them nicer to me 😊. I was actually thinking about the CLIQ. I need to better understand how the lock interfaces with the key, but ignoring all that, I'm sure there is ferrous material in there somewhere.
@@tumbl3r I like that thinking. I hope that you can bypass the CLIQ by having rotating electromagnet at the axis of the small motor to move the parts that the electronics are supposed to move. As far as I know, all CLIQ locks use electricity from the key and as such, all the moving parts must be pretty light and low friction.
Do you think the tensioning tool might drag the core so much that it would reduce the feel? With no false gates, I would expect that one easier to pick than it seems here. Perhaps having a thin piece of plastic (maybe even a piece of tape in the tensioner?) between tensioner and the housing to reduce the friction?
The sidebar channels or grooves are different to each other. Have you figured out a reason to do such a desing? It seems that one has harder corners and another seems to have more rounded appearance. Or is just the end of one of the sidebars being different but the area that sidebars touch is identical for both?
Very little actually. The super heavy tension that was required to get the sliders to bind, combined strong springs and the little notches at the start of each gate gave very muffled feedback. They give a little click usually when you first set them, but they fall down often. Later in the picking process, they give much less distinctive clicks as you get close to opening the lock. I think towards the end, a lot of them are hung up in the small recesses before the gate, and there is so much spring force on them that you can't really "read" them by tapping on them. You kinda have to take it on faith that they are in their gates and keep nudging them all up until it opens, LOL. Mercifully, isolation did work more or less, and I was able to address one side of the lock at a time. Once I picked the right-hand sidebar, the lock fell into a bit of a set, which indicated I could begin work on the left.
Well executed. I have seen these on parcel factorys doors. Homebrew tension tool cool as well. If you don't mind how long did it take to pick this lock or get use to picking it and what tension force? You are using. Because you deffo don't pick crap locks.lol. Thanks man.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate the kind words and your watching! Let's see... I never really keep track of the hours I spend with a lock, but if I had to guess, I probably had four or five hours of picking on it before I managed to get it open for the first time. Then, another 1.5 or so before the second opening, which is the one I caught on camera. I always cut my takes at 8 minutes, so I had a number of them that I stopped due to time and started over. Ballpark, probably between 5 and 6.5 hours of solid picking before I caught that open on cam. I've not picked it again because even when you are gentile, picking does take a little toll on locks, and this one isn't mine. 😊 As for tension, this one required a metric ton! I'm not sure I've ever had to lay the tension on a lock as heavy as I did with this one. With anything other than very heavy tension, those little ringlet sliders would just not bind and stay in place. When the core finally turns, it does so with a kind of sharp snap, which is due to the very heavy tension I had on it at the time. Hope this answers your question. Thanks again for watching, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
Hi, Nice picking sir. One question: what is the original object your tension tool is made of? Looks like the flat part of some hinge... And what is the thickness of the steel? Thank you in advance.
Thanks so much for your kind words. Those little recesses are an interesting riff on false gates. I'm still not entirely sure I understand what exactly they do, but I'm pretty sure they do something that makes picking it more difficult, LOL.
tumbl3r I haven't played with one but they would seem to operate like the tapered pins in a Lockwood, or similar. They look like they'd underset, set, then be very easy to overset, releasing tension or moving another slider could then drop them back to underset. I admire your skill and perseverance.
Very cool lock, great job getting it picked. I think I remember Potti314 showing it. By the way, I've been meaning to ask, what video editor do you use? I'm just getting started with windows movie maker but theirs a lot of things I would like to be able to do that it is unable to. Eg. Picture/Video In Video. I really love your editing style, some videos really reminded me of "This Old Tony", your voice kind of sounds like his as well. :P I only realized after watching your video "Ruko R501 - The Opening" that you indeed got your inspiration from Old Tony's videos. Really great work, keep it up. I would love to, one day, get to your level of picking And editing :P
VARY VARY COOL. awesome spp'd. one i will not forget vary well explained. THANKS for sharing the video. nice tension wrench maybe us patent on it lol😎😎😎😎😎🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Thanks Larry! And thanks so much for watching! I'm really glad you enjoyed it and thought the explanation was useful. I always wonder if I'm explaining things effectively.
These look very vulnerable to barrel snapping my partner has to replace snapped barrels all the time he says it upsets and angers him that the euro locks were made so poorly in the first place and seeing people in tears because they have had their houses burgled he even says most anti snap barrels are not any good either because when snapped u only have 3 pins to pick so he thinks who ever designed them did a very poor job on the design and needs a slap because u don't need a key or learn to pick just buy a cheap set of mawgrips what's that between £3to£12 and they are in and ur house violated and the feeling of safety out the window it's awful
About windows most of the time they can be removed from wall in matter of minutes(even seconds if it's not some anti window). About snapping and core pulling well simplest method is putting slab of steel on front of lock or just buying correct core for correct thickness door. Or simply mounting surface lock.
word of advice. try talking a bit while youre picking. i know it takes away some of the concentration but it makes for better videos if youre kind of explaining a bit of what youre doing :D
Thanks for watching and for your thoughts. It's actually difficult to say much during these picks for a couple of reasons. Firs, I'm trying to makes sense of what the heck is going on inside the lock for myself, and I'm afraid that if I tried to put it into words, it would just be a bunch of muttering and mumbling, LOL. Secondly there is often a LOT going on inside the lock, and I wonder if I'd actually have time to really explain it all. I will try to do more explaining though, and I appreciate your input.
no problem. i know there might be a lot going on. but just brief us on what youre thinking if possible. lol its just a thought i had. in general many people who may be watching may not continue long in silence. its just how a lot are. plus hearing thoughts on whats taking place might help some of us less skilled ones :D i have not actually had a chance yet to pick. tho id love to give it a try. and any tips or tricks i can pick up along the way would be awesome :)
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Nice picking bud! Those look like a fun picking experience. It's definitely something that I knew nothing about until now. Thanks for the video! Keep on picking!
Thanks Drew! This lock was pretty tough to find info on for sure. I feel really honored that +Potti314 loaned it to me. It's a very special lock!
That's a really cool lock. I've never seen one like it. That was an awesome pick on it. Another great video thanks for sharing.
Thanks so much Bobby! I'm glad you enjoyed it. As always, thanks for watching 😊
Amazing plug design that holds together when removed. Good picking, well done.
whoaly gaucamundo! nicely done, thanks for the fast foward function and the showing the action of the sliders with your pick
Couldn't be any better bud,
That lock is no joke. And you sir made it look easy as always. 😮
I have developed quite the attachment to slider locks as of late. I am currently working on the Scorpion CX5 And it to os no joke. lol
Thanks for sharing this awesome pick, and explaining how it works is so enlightening. 👍🖒
Thanks so much my friend 😊. And thanks for watching as always! Sliders are a very cool design concept and that Scorpion is no joke indeed!
Great fight. Very nice picking and gutting. The cam is awesome, it is great to be able to get the cam out of way like that.
Thanks Mike! And thanks so much for watching! This lock put up a good fight for sure 😊
That was a great show. Thanks for the effort to get it picked. I had this lock for so long but now I was clear that it should visit you to get picked. Great job. I was probably to weak with my tension by just using a pry bar and pulling on the edge. Have you seen that on some sliders two gates are next each other, just like for master keying. But I bought this lock standalone - very strange. Again, awesome picking :-)
Thanks so much my friend! And thank you again for lending me your lock! I really had a wonderful time with it. I don't think you could really get enough tension on that core by just pulling on the edge with a pry bar. It really did require an awful lot of tension to get those sliders to bind and stay in place. I was pretty surprised really by how much it took, and I still don't really feel like I understand why. I did notice the rings with double cuts, as well as the ones that were cut exactly where the sidebar was. The double cuts make make sense to be for master keying, but I'm at a loss to explain those zero cuts. Also strange that you bought this one as stand alone and it would be master keyed. A very strange lock indeed!
Very nice lock!......expertly picked as well👍🏻
Thank you very much Mike! And thank you for watching 😊
A very well thought out lock,a very well thought out pick and video.
Great work sir and a pleasure to watch a "master at work"😍😎😎👍👍
Thanks man! I'm glad that you enjoyed it. This lock sure put up quite a fight 😊. That always makes it more fun.
Well done! I particularly like the thumbnail picture, were you and the Verso having a beer outside at the time?
Now do Cliq! :-)
I take all my locks out for a few drinks before picking them. Seems to put them in a better mood overall and makes them nicer to me 😊. I was actually thinking about the CLIQ. I need to better understand how the lock interfaces with the key, but ignoring all that, I'm sure there is ferrous material in there somewhere.
@@tumbl3r I like that thinking. I hope that you can bypass the CLIQ by having rotating electromagnet at the axis of the small motor to move the parts that the electronics are supposed to move. As far as I know, all CLIQ locks use electricity from the key and as such, all the moving parts must be pretty light and low friction.
Nice job. Very cool lock.
Thanks Randy!
A similar idea but using a more conventional key is the Ingersoll OS711.
Do you think the tensioning tool might drag the core so much that it would reduce the feel? With no false gates, I would expect that one easier to pick than it seems here. Perhaps having a thin piece of plastic (maybe even a piece of tape in the tensioner?) between tensioner and the housing to reduce the friction?
Wow, great job! Awesome video, thanks for sharing!
that's sweet dude! never seen anything like it.
Thanks BLP! Haven't seen you around much lately. I hope everything is OK 😊
everything is good on my end
Another great pick.
Love watching your vids
Thanks man! As always, thanks very much for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed the video 😊 It's super fun to share this with you guys!
The sidebar channels or grooves are different to each other. Have you figured out a reason to do such a desing? It seems that one has harder corners and another seems to have more rounded appearance. Or is just the end of one of the sidebars being different but the area that sidebars touch is identical for both?
Lovely picking. What feedback do the sliders give to indicate a set?
Very little actually. The super heavy tension that was required to get the sliders to bind, combined strong springs and the little notches at the start of each gate gave very muffled feedback. They give a little click usually when you first set them, but they fall down often. Later in the picking process, they give much less distinctive clicks as you get close to opening the lock. I think towards the end, a lot of them are hung up in the small recesses before the gate, and there is so much spring force on them that you can't really "read" them by tapping on them. You kinda have to take it on faith that they are in their gates and keep nudging them all up until it opens, LOL. Mercifully, isolation did work more or less, and I was able to address one side of the lock at a time. Once I picked the right-hand sidebar, the lock fell into a bit of a set, which indicated I could begin work on the left.
What's the thickness of the housing at the sidebars? From the video it seems to be pretty thin.
Well executed. I have seen these on parcel factorys doors. Homebrew tension tool cool as well. If you don't mind how long did it take to pick this lock or get use to picking it and what tension force? You are using. Because you deffo don't pick crap locks.lol. Thanks man.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate the kind words and your watching! Let's see... I never really keep track of the hours I spend with a lock, but if I had to guess, I probably had four or five hours of picking on it before I managed to get it open for the first time. Then, another 1.5 or so before the second opening, which is the one I caught on camera. I always cut my takes at 8 minutes, so I had a number of them that I stopped due to time and started over. Ballpark, probably between 5 and 6.5 hours of solid picking before I caught that open on cam. I've not picked it again because even when you are gentile, picking does take a little toll on locks, and this one isn't mine. 😊
As for tension, this one required a metric ton! I'm not sure I've ever had to lay the tension on a lock as heavy as I did with this one. With anything other than very heavy tension, those little ringlet sliders would just not bind and stay in place. When the core finally turns, it does so with a kind of sharp snap, which is due to the very heavy tension I had on it at the time. Hope this answers your question. Thanks again for watching, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😊
Hi,
Nice picking sir.
One question: what is the original object your tension tool is made of? Looks like the flat part of some hinge...
And what is the thickness of the steel?
Thank you in advance.
Great picking. Add some false gates for an extra challenge:)
Thanks so much for your kind words. Those little recesses are an interesting riff on false gates. I'm still not entirely sure I understand what exactly they do, but I'm pretty sure they do something that makes picking it more difficult, LOL.
tumbl3r I haven't played with one but they would seem to operate like the tapered pins in a Lockwood, or similar. They look like they'd underset, set, then be very easy to overset, releasing tension or moving another slider could then drop them back to underset. I admire your skill and perseverance.
Very cool lock, great job getting it picked. I think I remember Potti314 showing it. By the way, I've been meaning to ask, what video editor do you use? I'm just getting started with windows movie maker but theirs a lot of things I would like to be able to do that it is unable to. Eg. Picture/Video In Video. I really love your editing style, some videos really reminded me of "This Old Tony", your voice kind of sounds like his as well. :P I only realized after watching your video "Ruko R501 - The Opening" that you indeed got your inspiration from Old Tony's videos. Really great work, keep it up. I would love to, one day, get to your level of picking And editing :P
You are definitely really good, Bravo! ;)
Really interesting lock, gj and thank you for the video !
impressive!
Thanks Rich! Appreciate your watching. Glad you enjoyed it 😊
I find u usually need more tension tools than picks for different locks for easier picking
great picking m8 nice video🔐😊😊👍👍
Thanks for the kind words mate! Really appreciate it and as always, thank you for watching 😊
VARY VARY COOL. awesome spp'd. one i will not forget vary well explained. THANKS for sharing the video. nice tension wrench maybe us patent on it lol😎😎😎😎😎🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Thanks Larry! And thanks so much for watching! I'm really glad you enjoyed it and thought the explanation was useful. I always wonder if I'm explaining things effectively.
Beautiful lock, but it looks expensive though.
Yeah, probably not too cheap. Usually locks of this caliber retail between $100 and $200 each.
Oh my 😮
nice job.
Thanks Nathan! And thank you for watching 😊
These look very vulnerable to barrel snapping my partner has to replace snapped barrels all the time he says it upsets and angers him that the euro locks were made so poorly in the first place and seeing people in tears because they have had their houses burgled he even says most anti snap barrels are not any good either because when snapped u only have 3 pins to pick so he thinks who ever designed them did a very poor job on the design and needs a slap because u don't need a key or learn to pick just buy a cheap set of mawgrips what's that between £3to£12 and they are in and ur house violated and the feeling of safety out the window it's awful
About windows most of the time they can be removed from wall in matter of minutes(even seconds if it's not some anti window).
About snapping and core pulling well simplest method is putting slab of steel on front of lock or just buying correct core for correct thickness door. Or simply mounting surface lock.
The cam on this lock binds the two halves together, this does make it harder to snap. Have not tried to snap one but they have done something.
Intricate design.
that is sweet!
Yeah, this one was pretty fun! Thanks for watching Jeff!
word of advice. try talking a bit while youre picking. i know it takes away some of the concentration but it makes for better videos if youre kind of explaining a bit of what youre doing :D
especially moments if you pull the pick out or swap to another pick. lol
Thanks for watching and for your thoughts. It's actually difficult to say much during these picks for a couple of reasons. Firs, I'm trying to makes sense of what the heck is going on inside the lock for myself, and I'm afraid that if I tried to put it into words, it would just be a bunch of muttering and mumbling, LOL. Secondly there is often a LOT going on inside the lock, and I wonder if I'd actually have time to really explain it all. I will try to do more explaining though, and I appreciate your input.
no problem. i know there might be a lot going on. but just brief us on what youre thinking if possible. lol its just a thought i had. in general many people who may be watching may not continue long in silence. its just how a lot are. plus hearing thoughts on whats taking place might help some of us less skilled ones :D i have not actually had a chance yet to pick. tho id love to give it a try. and any tips or tricks i can pick up along the way would be awesome :)