Why the government should provide internet access
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Susan Crawford talks to Ezra Klein about how the internet is too important to be left to the private market.
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I'd love for this to be a thing, but the lobbyists would sell their soul to block this from going through.
+Tn_Gamer_Jr Haha, so true.
Plus, after the whole NSA thing people can't trust the government to do that.
The internet belongs to the people. Get government out.
inb4 corporations are people. lul
that is the fundamental fault in right wing logic. the ida that the private sector is representing the best interest of the people, whereas the State and anything it runs is just bureaucracy and tainted with "socialism" and doomed to fail.
Andre Tsang You pretend like this is a big guy vs little guy thing. ID fight this and I’m just a regular guy. Stop pretending like this is all good with no downsides it weakens your critical thought
Internet access should be a right - it's information access, information literacy, and the basis, from this election forth, for democracy.
Internet access is already a human right. The UN says so, so it must be true!
Also you don't need your cable company to get the internet, you just need a cantenna.
yea we all need big brother !
how is the easy and vast access to information and services equivalent to totalitarianism???
Bullshit it's not a human right.
These interview videos being produced recently have been really good and interesting. I'm actually really impressed. Interesting topics, and interesting people with a lot of knowledge on their given subject. Keep it up, Vox.
I live in Sweden and we are getting 100/100 fiber at our summer place which is on a small island where only we live with no roads. Getting it installed costs as much as in suburbs because of government subsidising it. Feel sorry for you guys :(
The only problem is our taxes.
the US in the last tax year got $3.8 trillion in tax revenue, it's not a tax issue, it's an allocation issue
Nathan Jones maybe they can save a few billions from then 600 billion they spend on military - which is then wasted on unnecessary wars such as Iraq or Vietnam..
Im from Denmark, and I have been hating you guys for YEARS!!! Fack you have it good!
Haha must be fun having the government monitor you.
I love the way she said, referring to Comcast, "it's in harvesting mode." That's such a great line that makes a really strong case in so few words.
Chattanooga, Tennessee has government-owned internet, and it also happens to be the fastest in the entire country. I think this lady is right.
Why when the lady talks there is like backround noise but when the journalist talks its quiet
Thanks for replying, i actually thought my headphones were broken.
Rapture Z you not only have very good earphones, but also very good ears 😋. the mic they've used for her is probably the reason.
All wrong! The reason is bcuz the guy's collar is rigid n the lady's is wearin a blouse so more movement with her mic.👊
I've lived in other parts of the world. I lived in China last year. The internet is about 15 times cheaper than here. I payed about $100/yr for wifi in my apartment. It was faster than here. There is censorship of some pages. I lived in Africa too. The internet is dirt cheap. The first smartphone I had ever had was in Africa. I remember checking NBA scores on my smartphone in my village. Before that, I payed Verizon about $140/mo for phone and internet service. We get ripped off here for slow internet, without the necessary investments in a faster, more modern system
I love how an NBA game is playing in the background
My state has written a law making landline basically outlawed due to the cost of maintenance vs profit; its just no longer feasible, but this law wont be fully integrated for another decade or so.
So, if you want a phone you need a home phone you need broadband, but there are entire townships without access to broadband. So, anyone in the rural arwas is forced to pay for cellular data. It leads to a vicious cycle of no money to upgrade because your paying too much for the bare minimum.
Am I wrong or are all the countries that have better internet access also much smaller geographically and lower population so easier to manage large infrastructure setup?
jcstillson13 and the government systems are different.
that's nonsense, the bigger the population the cheaper is to layout infrastructure or provide goods and services.
It is true the countries are smaller, but our state governments would be more apt to put such actions in place before the federal government would. And many states are the same size as many of those countires listed.
@@july6949 Tell that to the world's largest countries like Mexico, India or China with some of the worst wealth disparities.
@@antoniodimen335 you actually pointed it out, the issue with those countries is not their sizes but wealth disparities.
"In terms of fibre we're behind"
UK below you.. mmhm
I always like when the incumbents argue that city-run internet would remove the incentive for competition. Because nothing lowers competition faster than adding a second option in an monopolized market.
At least I still have the option of threatening to switch from Comcast to Centurylink.
This interview was conducted is a depressing room.
we should have less regulations to increase competition lower prices and higher speeds.
Have to be honest, this lady has a very beautiful smile
I've always said what we really need is the postal service equivalent of an ISP. Why let private industry provide a service when the government can do it worse and with higher expense?
+wbbarth Of course I've used USPS. It's unreliable, has poor customer service, and is slow compared to the other carriers you mention. They're only cheaper if you don't value service and reliability and are happy to overlook the government subsidies to the service.
It's cheaper if you forget we pay for it from our taxes and THEN AGAIN when we buy stamps and what not.
Yes, CHEAPER. Don't you see?!
I mean high speed internet should be a right, not a privilege. You're required to have it to apply for jobs, most jobs require you to have it in some capacity if it's a decent job, you need it for school work from elementary on up to post secondary education, you need it for all aspects of communications. More and more everything we do requires internet, and not just internet, high speed internet.
Try applying for services, downloading a PDF, or uploading documents on 10mbps. It's painful.
I live in INDIA.and my internet speed is 120 kilo bytes per second (tooooo slow) i pay rs 600 (about 9 dollars) per month :( :(
I hated Internet speed when I visited India :(
wow!! what can you do what 120 kilo bytes??? that is insane.
I watch videos at 240 p resolution
oh~~~~ That is really crap... sorry... hurts me even reading the comment.
ArdiniumStudio Oh it's horrible. We can only dream of such cheap internet at such high speeds. Streaming movies and shows at 4K speeds...a service provider recently launched very cheap 4g internet but its speeds are 120kbps.😞😞😞
The fundamental ideals of capitalism can only be achieved through the oversight of socialism. This world is complicated. There is no one right side, they aren't mutually exclusive
Can't wait to see how President Trump or President Clinton will deal with this issue. If you think Obama has been ineffectual, you are in for a rude awakening... xD
Oh boy...
I have terrible news for you.
Prophet
this comment hath come to fullest fruition
Cable providers like Comcast need stiff competition to convince them to do right by their customers. Here in Chattanooga Tennessee many of us are fortunate enough to have access to fiber optic internet service as well as cable TV provided by our local electrical utility distributor the Electric Power Board. Comcast is feeling the heat and they are working on getting their own fiber optic network here as well as revamping their customer service which was pretty horrible, even for their business customers. Lately they've been canvassing neighborhoods trying to get new and return subscribers. I'm happy to tell them that I don't wish to return as their as their customer and that I'm very satisfied with the scorching fast internet service their competitor provides. We should all have such choices in a country as great as ours, but we don't. And yet we still see ourselves as the best in the world. Proclaiming things doesn't necessarily make it so. Keep pointing out the things in our country that need work Vox, so we can work on REALLY being great again.
Blame Comcast and Citizens United
Blame a government supported company and free speech.
Translated it for you!
Augusto Pinochet It's more of "blame monopolies and lobbyists!" I corrected your translation!
How about we start browsing the internet with GameCubes and broadband adapters?
1:24 I was convinced by this point. She's great at persuasion!
Were also a lot more land area compared to those countries ahead of us. Also FYI electricity isn't provided free of charge... it's still a private market and seems to work fine
sometimes ... living in Estonia is pretty damn sweet
You live in a near cashless society with e-police and e-government.
What's not to love about the e-state.
In my opinion, there are tons of innovations abroad, it just gets bought by giants before you see it. Anecdotal thinking Americans are at all innovative relative to their poor access to broadband
Whilst in the mean time 3 years since the video been released.... Australia is still building the NBN... and it's not even gonna be gigabit connection.
I wonder what would happen if the government carried out this idea, but with decent instead of superfast speed?
There needs to be something to drive internet providers to compete. The only providers in my town is mediacom or century link. I'm a "heavy user" so we have to use mediacom. We pay about $100 a month for 50 Mbps down and 5 up with a 350GB limit. I have never seen my internet speed reach over 38mbps down and there's nothing we can do about it because we can't switch.
ouch im sorry here i think we have to use the comcast but over the last month me and a few roomatesyoused about a terabyte of connection its honestly dumb its not more streamlined like other country's.
Michael Hammer wow, I pay 45€ a month for internet and television I've got about 150mb/sec unlimited and around 50 tv channels, why is it so bad in the states?
I have 80/80 Mbps with no limit for 20£ - 30$
I don't see why does a gigabit connection needed apart from torrenting and having the whole family watching Netflix in 4k at the same time
very nicely prepared interview, she seems like a really smart person, if she did not know the questions and could give such answers then she is even more brilliant
My internet company is ripping me off, it shouldn't be so freaking expensive just for internet
Up here in Canada we know exactly what monopolies "reaping their rewards" feels like. Our prices are insanely high, I thought the States' internet prices were a steal when I lived there from '08-'10.
I would love this! after years of getting ripped off by telstra I would love to see them burned to the ground.
You do that and government have open hands to censor what it don't like on public provided internet access.
Is there someone watching basketball in the background?
i used to live in hong kong and data was so cheap, until i moved to sydney :(
It would be really interesting to have her back now that the internet has been defined as a public utilitie
Question: What about South Korea? They have the flat out best internet access and speed in the world, but they left everything to private market.
South Korea 90% urban U.S. 10% urban
South Korea Largest metro 1/2 of pop. U.S. Largest metro 1/14 of pop.
South Korea Largest metro 11704 km^2 U.S. Largest metro 34490 km^2
Second largest metros have one third and four fifths of their respective leading metros. The metropolitan areas I'm talking about are Seoul, New York, Busan, and Los Angeles in that order of appearance throughout these statistics. Hope that helps
Competition and centralized population mostly.
So the government should raise our taxes to high heaven just so we can have free internet and be higher in a chart? come on, we have people living under the poverty line and we're worried about internet access.
Google fiber!!! we should fund that 😭😭😭
***** yes I can understand that. I just wished Google fiber was bigger, they offer so much more.
+litven yup!
Phonzo Cisne I've been using Google fiber for four years and I don't have a bad word to say about it whatsoever. I haven't had to pay a penny :)
For those that don't understand gigabit internet fully, if you had one gigabit internet speeds, You could download an average to large size game (I'm using Battlefield 1 as an example) in approximately 6 minutes and 40 seconds.
Would currently take me 53.15 hours...
Please interview this fantastic woman again! She has such wonderfully concise and well thought out responses! I want more :D
If internet were an open market instead of bordering on a monopoly, then that would have also prevented the horrendous bill that is now allowing internet providers to sell our information.
I think I need to find a job at Comcast.
I really enjoyed this conversation. I'd love to have a chat with this lady.
On the wake of telephony deregulation in the 80s, there was "Universal Service Obligation" to make sure that all would have access to basic telephony service even in remote unprofitable areas, since then this policy went worldwide. Similarly, with the emergence of broadband access, There is what is called Universal Service for broadband access, it is up to the FCC to devise the most fit regulation to implement Universal Service Obligation without being restrictive on the underlaying technology being used to provision the USO (technology neutral policy, either with fiber or cable Docsis 3.0, fixed wireless access or LTE+ etc, whatever the technology as soon as the targeted high speed data rate being met). USO should be enforced and make both telecos and cable operators eligible to be appointed as USO provider. Now as internet would be considered as a utility (cf. Internet neutrality debate), broadband access would be necessarily considered as a utility too.
Please can any body weite what she said here
And thanks 💜
If for no other reason than the fact that to apply to a company, you typically have to apply through their website, internet access should be a right. I don't think most people are that aware of how maniacal Comcast, Time Warner and friends actually are and what their neat little boardroom created vision for the internet would look like, but people should be because it looks a lot more like that garbage cable networks that are crammed down peoples throats and nothing like the complete freedom of the Net as we currently know it.
Free college (for those qualified), universal healthcare, now public internet. Why not? We already have public roads, libraries, and fire departments.
Those are locally provided. Not nationally
This interview pretty much validates the critique Ted Cruz is giving at the moment on "Net Neutrality" and refutes Al Franken and the rest of his herd.
TINY, tiny countries have advanced fiber connections. The US is bigger then all of these countries combined. Half of the country doesn't want any kind of taxes or government control, or new programs. No one wants to cut anything. Anytime we need something new we lobby and sue innovations to the ground until they quit. I work in telecommunications 90% of costs to improve current grids goes into counter suing lawsuit, permits, bureaucracy that slow and stop progress. Not to mention every home owner that doesn't want to see another cable going across their back yard, or see massive traffic delays cause half of the streets in there areas are running new under cable, then businesses sue cause the side that's closed is also where they are located and now they are losing money due to the fact that their business is hardly reachable a times, also for every 100ft of fiber on average you will waste 1000+ USD on its direct cost to build, plus on average spend 9000+ on other factors like the kind I stated before. That's also not mentioning the fact that about 30 to 35 %of homes or apartments will need new lines to be replaced constantly due to remodeling, cord cutters alike. Which would also mean that home owners would have to retrofit their homes to either hide the wires and make it seemless , unless you think the government should also do that for you , and if you say why not make a hub then have everything else use wifi then tell me whats more secure A wired connection or a wireless one, which one is more dependable, and what kind of back up storage do you need to also protect content both relating to TV networks and everything and other device that will use this grid. You would stronger laws then eminent domain to even try to make this work. Who here wants the feds to tell you that you need to move, this is the same reason why the roads are a mess and traffic is so bad in most major American cities. This interview makes me want to ripe my hair out, just seems like food for entitled punks.
I half agree--
because think-
is the phone free?
does the government provide phone?
Phones as they are now, essentially utilize the Internet or are formatted as such.
When you had people actually using land line phones and calling through corded phones, it made sense to give everyone access to the physical wires that allow people to call one another.
When the "internet" and phone calls are literally everywhere in a pseudo space that's overlayed with actual physical space, it's difficult to conceptualize the physical connection that phones or the Internet have. There are no direct wires. There's a hotspot or a wifi signal that DOES connect to a line, which then wirelessly connects to a satellite and so forth. The lack of a direct physical point A, B, C, makes it easy for companies to claim that things cost more than they do.
Because there is no tangible Internet, like there were tangible land lines, companies can get away with murder.
There is also no alternative to corporate ISPs.
Can't you just end the monopolies?
"Us Americans, special snowflakes that we are, need to look at everybody in the rear-view mirror in just about every aspect of life, otherwise we can't sleep at night." 0:37
0:38 Where can I find this Data?
My family pays around 100 and more a month for internet
What isn't America behind in..
It's called your local public library
Hmm... Interesting how USA always see it self as the only great innovator on the internet. I mean Skype, Spottify and Minecraft all originated in Sweden. Just to name a few things. (And then we are not even talking about the disproportional gaming industry or the many other IT companies) And that is from a country of just 9 million.
I think it has more to do with the fact that a lot of the innovation is not recognized as foreign by USA. Or there very local centric so USA never sees the innovation. In countries where English is not so dominate there tend to be a lot of services that are local and local only. This is very common in Asia where English is less common and the home market can be quite sizeable.
Biggest strength USA likely have to reach out is that they have already established a cultural hegemony (steaming back when the British Empire used to be dominant.) You get a global reach just working with you own native language and culture.
+Cythil Skype was founded in Luxembourg by a Swede and a Dane.
Caleb Fultz
Sorry if I am not precise with the details. The point in general was that it was not in USA it originated.
Today a lot of things is not really tied to national boundaries anyway. Though of course some regions do contribute more to development then others. Your more likely to find IT advances coming from Europe, North America and East Asia then Africa for example.
+Caleb Fultz There was this core group of people besides Friis and Zennström who had gone together through couple of companies. The technical people were all Estonians. They developed Kazaa and some previous things and then hit the jackpot with Skype. So it's not like the founders had this brilliant idea and some new guys came in, even now most of the development team and 44% of the overall employees of the division are situated in the offices of Tallinn and Tartu, Estonia.
Ruutu Mutt
Yeah I was actually thinking about mentioning that. Though some see it just as a way to dump wages so I did not bring it up. Still the people in Estonia has done a good job.
***** Skype is from Luxembourg.
its essential that everyone should have access to the internet and that it should be high speed.Its the future and us americans cant fall behind. Stop all the money grabbers and cable companies cornering the market.
Amen. Let's do it. Crowd fund our own satellites and take over the fiber optic lines.
It’s 2023 and it has not happened yet. Please let me know when it happens in your country.
"Government", or the state, should provide nothing. It should not even exist. The fact is that someone must pay for the infrastructure, and the free market is the only known way of actually decreasing the cost of something. As this is dependent on this very fact, the government is the worst possible provider of these things.
Americans, you should really talk about having universal healthcare before universal internet.
But doesn't big competition leave the market too unstable and unviable for business to be to take part in it and drive innovation.. look at India aviation industry or the Indian telecom industry-- competition has drive competitive pricing to a level where most companies are closing down-- leaving only handful of big players to run the entire industry. Price competition was good for about five year-- user got cheap services-- consumer rating went high-- but it also sucked all the profits for companies. Since the product is homogeneous, a few conglomerates or previously established player could starve off the competition in 5 years, then things got worse for the user. Now not only did the quality suffer, but, the prices went u[ too..This will not change till a larger conglomerate enters the industry to shake-up the establishment. But here is the catch, there aren't many large companies that can shake-up the status quo or dive into a industry which will reap slim profits. In most market a small company or a start-up have a very little chance to result in any product pricing change or adoption of newer policies.
HELL NAW.
National Debt Would SKYROCKET.
And The National Debt Is Already A Problem.....
CSX News taxes would work.
Don't you all think that the growing developments are increasing the pressure on kids.
If such a thing happened , then can you even imagine the vices that can arise as a result of it.
Let's say you will not allow your kid internet access but can you be there with them all the time?
Kids will have to learn the correct way to handle internet.
People cannot even teach their kids some decent manners ! How will they teach them the correct use of internet ?
Remember you are not raising machines ! Who will be perfect and free of all vices!
Aged well
Yup, it's leadership. Vote Bernie Sanders 2020 to begin treating public goods like public goods. Stop maintaining monopolies that impoverish Americans. We need a healthy dose of Socialism.
Vox, coming atcha from the abandoned shell of a 1980s office building. Nice decor.
Vero good! Could have lasted half IMO
FDR had the REA and TVA.
how do we take action? how do we try to convince the FCC to pass net neutrality?
They passed it.Look it up.
lol u already have that, as mc donalds have free Wi-Fi.
Does every American need access to blazing fast high speed internet? That cost a lot more than say free local wifi.
Great. Public internet access. Let's think about how insane this proposal is. First, the "internet" isn't a thing, it's not a toaster or a car; it is everyone's devices connected using mutually agreed upon protocols. Second, I love how the same group of people can decry the Government's invasion of privacy thru spying but want those same people to provide them with internet access. It's really frustrating. Based on how our constitution is written the internet is not and cannot be a right. "Rights" in the US are derived from negative liberty and I wish people would understand this basic principle. The internet in all of us, just like the government cannot provide a market (true socialism has never and will never work) it cannot just provide the internet. If the Government begins providing internet access and/or nationalizes the existing infrastructure we will be looking down a dark path, much like the post office. Lasership, UPS and especially DHL do a much better job and at no cost to taxpayers. I like my FIOS, it's fast (150/150), it's cheap ($75/month) and has only gone down once in 11 years but the best part is that I chose them.
We act like capitalism is so good yet were behind the world in internet we can keep capitalism rolling by always adding to it which socialism have great offers we aren't becoming a socialism we are embracing certain ideas and tweaking them to work in are system.
I could imagine government Internet access being heavily censored. This would be the only kind of UA-cam videos available to you.
lol n1
But net neutrality
Censor the internet? Doesn't even work in China due to browsers that get past the firewall, kinda like TOR
Kenpachi Zaraki They'll make it happen here.
I can't really say anything definite about this
I'm all for this, as I think the internet is literally the best thing that has ever happened to humankind. However, you cant compare a vast geographic and highly populated country like the US to small population countries, where every singly person in the country lives within a few densely packed population centers. There are three major cities in Sweden. Three. We're not comparing apples to apples here. The US is one of the geographically largest countries in the world, with one of the world's highest populations, and unlike Canada, the population centers are spread relatively evenly throughout, no clustered along the southern border. This is not a simple task, and the automatic response shouldn't just be "America sucks".
uh.. literally no reason for them not to
Now internet is a human right too? Someone as to pay for it. Its not "free".
The government doesn't provide phone services, those are provided by the same companies that provide internet, are you suggesting that phones are a utility too?
hahaha what?! should we also provide cable because the weather channel is a must! lmao
"But having the government provide services undermines the capitalist market! Muh economy!"
How about no
What a great piece! Thank you.
Nah
I vote for public ran oil refineries. Then public ran car insurance. Public ran grocery stores! Public ran everything! Why not? /s
This woman talks about things she has little clue about. For once, a 1000 Mbps connection isn't 100x faster than a 10 Mbps one, because that only defines the theoretical upper limit on the bandwidth. For any real application, the bottleneck lies somewhere completely different (routing, for instance).
Ezra Klein, stop being the mouthpiece of the corporations, stop asking questions that are ridiculous. Geeez.
Hell NO!!
This lady is absurd! Fast internet access is now not only going through cable but also cell phone providers which MUST innovate in order stay in business. Government needs to stay out of the business! All of the sectors where government intervenes, the business becomes worse.
We require State subsidies to better the industry! Just look how great it works for automobile workers, for farmers, for Oil! Look at our marvelously kept pothole-free roads, and glorious public school system! Please! We need more central controls in our lives so we can follow our leader's vision to glory, and without them we will decay into destitute chaotic Anarchy!
Herp derp StatistgonnaState
Private schools are barely any better than the public ones. I should know.
Toll roads are still roads.
The problem is of course, that the government doesn't means-test programs. But that has nothing to do with the competition with a quality product with a ubiquitous product offered as a public option. Sounds like a mechanism for correcting market bubbles to me!
Bah humbug! More money into a system we already know doesn't work. Standardized testing was the "means-test" for NCLB and that just re-organized curriculum, forcing schools to teach for the tests instead of actually educating.
Patrick Dicker Sorry. Look at the Nordic countries. Pay much more for education... Hey look it works!!
The design is terrible. The management is terrible. Those need to be fixed, but in the meantime, people need to be able to pay their bills and eat.
Why is it that every year more money goes into our schools but they yield the same results? Increasing funding in the US for schools doesn't make the system better. The Scandinavian countries have far more economic freedoms that allow for social mobility. Forcing Scandinavians to sustain these Public Works has already begun to spurr xenophobia.
The massive influx of displaced arabs, turks, greecians, ukrainians, etc will collapse the public school system under it's own weight.
There is no such thing as good management when youre managing a Monopoly on the Use of Force.
Sorry, but discussing spending anywhere other than the military first then entitement reform second is a goddamned joke.
When schools have to ask parents to buy the schools' supplies... there's a problem. The poorest neighborhoods have the poorest schools. They also have the worst turnout... what a surprise!
It doesn't help that our school systems in general are poorly run, and the gap between high-school graduate and university student is absurdly large. But these are management problems, as I've said.
Also "more money" is so disingenious. Of course there's more.
A) Our schools are part of our crumbling infrastructure.
B) we have a growing youth population
We have to spend more to tread water!! Per capita public spending is pathetic in this country. End of story.
It's ok Elon Musk will save us all. Amen
well i feel pretty lucky living in TX where google fiber has started setting up. They will probably and more than likely will drive the price of internet down and this makes me happy. Along with that they see the importance of fast internet so to the poor they are willing to give free fiber optic internet and all this is in 2 years im ecstatic! But no way to judge until it is built and done but i support fiber for everyone anyday.