Soldiers of '22
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2021
- In 1922 the Free State army, backed by the British government, began to wage war against the forces of the Irish Republic. Throughout the conflict, over two hundred Republican prisoners of war were murdered by firing squad or by more gruesome methods, such as the Ballyseedy martyrs who were tied to a landmine and blown up.
In the interests of 'unity' the gallant fight conducted by the Irish Republican soldiers of 1922 is too often ignored, however, they deserve more praise than the patriot armies of any other period in our history, because the odds against them, of every kind, were greater than had ever been faced before.
Much respect to O'Higgins and Ex Cathedra for doing these.
Never to be forgotten:
Rory O'Connor
Liam Mellows
Joe McKelvey
Richard Barrett
And all the others who said no to the traitorous oath and the amputation of Ulster from motherland.
It shows a lack of understanding to view that whole situation through the lense of partition - Joe McKelvey's men in Belfast, the majority of them anyway, supported accepting the treaty and reorganised him out of power there. I don't know if there was much or any real opposition to the Treaty in the partitioned zone. The 6 counties weren't forgotten about, but not given half the time they deserved in the Treaty debates or the hearts and minds of the Sinn Féiners, pro and anti-treaty. Both sides of the treaty argument seemed to have assumed the boundary/border commission would likely ceded considerable part(s) of the 6-county area to the new state, hopefully rendering 'Northern Ireland' unlikely to survive. Over 500 men from the 6 counties or Belfast alone, I can't recall, joined Collins' Army either before or during the civil war, and many stayed in it afterward. Also the anti-treatyites would no doubt have accepted a 26-county state with no oath out of the UK. Regardless, may the brave
Soldiers of '22 rest well in the most high Heaven. 🙏
@@maitiucibhleachain5139 It must be remembered that a major reason for the passing of the Treaty was the personality cult that surrounded Michael Collins. Many TD’s and Volunteers figured ‘if it’s good enough for Mick, it’s good enough for me’ and others stated that they would go to hell for Michael Collins. Being a TD for Armagh, Collins spent considerable time in Ulster and held much influence over northern Republicans. This is one reason why many Ulster Republicans were pro-Treaty.
Tom Barry was clear about the fact that the oath of allegiance to the British Crown and the partition of Ireland were the two major reasons that he and his comrades rejected the Treaty. This is reflected numerous times throughout the Treaty debates. Childers lamented how the essential unity of Ireland was usurped by the Treaty, and Joseph MacDonagh, the martyred hunger striker, was explicit about the fact that the two issues at hand were ‘allegiance and partition.’ Mary MacSwiney and J.J. O’Kelly, among others, also reiterated this point.
The anti-Treatyites were essentially divided into two camps. As evident by Document No. 2., De Valera, and those who supported him, would have accepted a 26-county state without an oath (and in later years they did). But a sizeable portion of the anti-Treaty side would not have. Liam Mellows was clear that he was not prepared to accept any sort of compromise. Likewise with Brian O’Higgins, Tom Maguire, and, frankly, all of the twenty-six TDs who later remain with Sinn Féin after De Valera and his followers split to form Fianna Fáil in 1926.
@@cuchuimne2664 Collin's influence was obviously great - but ultimately the people, those who sided with Collins on the issue and against him, still had intelligence and agency and their own reasoning. The Ulstermen had theirs, and they supported the Treaty on conditions. I've no real problem with anything you said, I just believe that all the things that happened in 1922 are, naturally, being viewed a bit narrowly through the lense of today - with an emphasis on partition an unfair de-emphasis other, arguably more unpopular, factors. You acknowledge yourself many (if not most) of the anti-treatyites would've accepted a free 26 county state - I've no doubt the majority of them would've gladly accepted then what we have now and the vast majority would be unwilling to go to war over the difference- even if they naturally really didn't want partition.
Well, my mother from lincoln street was 10 at the time of the treaty. To her dying day at 94, she always sang a wee snippet - “the flag that joe mckelvey loved, is good enough for me.” Her view was that Mckelvey was ‘the only man among them.’ She said that the men in the north knew the terrible consequence of rising at all and they predicted the Pograms. But the men who went south to fight felt betrayed, she said. @@maitiucibhleachain5139
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When I was discussing history with my father, I explained the dilemma the Irish faced in 1922. Of the treaty, my father said: “Fuck that, who would accept such a thing?”
Not accepting the treaty would of lead us back into shackles with less freedom. Most outsiders don’t understand how bad not accepting the treaty would of been.
@@__mindflayer__ Nonsense, the wrong side won the civil war. You only need to look around at the state of our Country. That's all the proof anyone should ever need.
@@TheToolnut How so? We have a bunch of liberal socialists ruining our country. Not the other way around.
Those who wished for no more rule and accepted home rule?
@@__mindflayer__ I don't agree with treaty and believe the ulster protestants should just accept Irish nationalist catholic rule and deal with it! its 2023....your not going To be oppressed for being protestant...I believe Ireland should be whole and not divided like north and Korea and north and south Sudan
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Saoirse d’Éirinn HH Valley 32
Brits out of north!
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