Old New Holland Baler
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2010
- It rained the night before...so we had to do a demo in a local parking lot ...bummer. But you can see the baler work some here. Notice the canvas aprons and the wooden plunger...this is about a 1946 model And it still bales hay! This is from the Antique Hay Expo and Tractor show, Oxford, Iowa July 24, 2010. The baler belongs to Mr. Bill Stockman of Oxford Iowa.
Be sure to look at my other videos, I have another video of this baler running in the field. - Авто та транспорт
When it came to hay balers, New Holland red was the only color to found on this beef farm. Most of those earlier 73 & 76 model balers had VE4 Wisconsin engines with a hand clutch and long v-belts up around the 33 inch diameter flywheel and that engine would run all day. We had a Model 73 that loved gobbling up long stem hay like timothy but short stem straw would take its time going up that canvas apron but it made beautiful square bales. Our 73 model had a 3 inch wide flat belt coming off the main shaft to power the pickup and knotter assemblies, most of the videos poster here show a v-belt drive to the rear. Over the years we had three Super 77 balers with VE4 engines and two 66 balers with small two cylinder engines. Then we decided to go "modern" and got a N.H. model 281 baler pto powered by a John Deere 70 tractor. We baled a "gazillion" bales through it and it rarely had a miss-tied bale. Eventually, all these balers were "retired" to the fence row. Advertised them for sale running or for parts, no takers. (Everyone looking for kicker balers) Tried selling the N.H. Model 281 for $1500, then 1200, then 900, then 500 dollars no buyers, unbelievable...!! Scrap dealer came and took all seven balers, trucked them over to Harrisburg, PA, dumped in to railroad cars after tearing off he rubber tires, shipped to Philly, balers were dumped into a ship's cargo hold and sailed off to who knows where.....!!
A neighbor friend had one of these, only older I think, that was the source of a lot of fascination for those of us who used more modern antiques. Of particular note, the hay is elevated, via the conveyor, and "plunged" into the chamber from the top, not the side like in more modern balers. Little difference in the resulting bale, since, on this model, it is formed in the chamber on its side, not its bottom like in modern balers. Even the needles swing in from the side, instead of the bottom, with the knotters on the opposite side, not the top.
The small plunger that poked the hay down into the chamber, which is driven by the main plunger--more fascinating stuff-- on his was edged with "dragon teeth" , giving it a dinosaur like appearance. Thus the reason we all called it his "Fred Flintstone Baler". The guy had a tendency to bale when the hay was still not completely dry, but no matter, this baler could handle it much better than ours could. Bu,t no one wanted to haul in behind his baling--the green hay combined with this baler's ability to really pack it in, made for some very heavy bales, and that in spite of their conventional dimensions.
Makes my New Holland 276 baler look like modern times.
Lmao! Yes it was one hell of a baler. My grandfather had a self propelled stook loader for bundles and that was a Hugh load taken off the men. Remember that like yesterday.
What a C R A Z Y design! The li'l Wisconsin sure sounds a treat - bellars like a mini V-8!!
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I remember the shear bolt in the flywheel, that would shear if you tried to overload the apron with hay
The Wisconsin v4 still doing her thing
I remember as a kid helping dad bale with an old self-powered baler like that. I was so short I had to get off the seat and stand up to disengage the clutch lever on our old John Deere tractor that pulled the baler. So one time when the windrows were too big and the baler started to bog down, it took me too long to disengage the clutch and there went a shear pin. After cussing me out, Dad went through the whole rigamarole of pulling off the flywheel and replacing the shear pin and wouldn't you know it, I sheared another one right away getting started up again.
Pretty neat, brought back memories from the late 60s and 70s for me. Uncle had one that he used, a little newer, more like the modern balers but still had the Wisconsin engine on it, he pulled it with an 8N Ford. There was three of them my uncle, my dad, and a neighbor and they shared racks, tractors, and labor including the raking sometimes. A little slower pace back then, hauled in with M tractors and a 560.They always had beer and soda in a big wash tub on ice/water, a water hose hooked up to the hydrant and we got a break every 3 to 4 loads as well as sending out rounds to the crew in the field. After we finished always had a feed of ham sandwiches and other goodies afterwards. I miss those days.
Glad you enjoyed it be sure to see my other video with this baler in the field. I too grew up on a farm in the 60s. in Iowa
Fords are awesome last forever and fun to operate
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The last old NH we had, pickup was on the right side, with an "enclosed" gear box with the flywheel on the left side and powered by a Wisconsin V4. It was a wire tie and had a hydraulic tension system to adjuct the weight of the bales. Did some custom baling and the customers were paying by the bale, they wanted a HEAVY bale. Not uncommon to put out a 100# bale. But after they had to handle them..
I never seen another one like it after all these years but I would LOVE to find a picture of one.
I would like a photo as well, my father had one but was twine. He bought it from a contractor in 1949 that had 2 wire ones. I worked on the back for 4 years before leaving school. I wish I had taken a photo before it was sold in 1964.
They were a good old baler.Thanks. This was a friends baler. He has about 6 or 8 old NH balers. He lives near Oxford Iowa
Mike
At 3:16 when the guy yells "Hold it" thinking something broke, the wad board (the things that is going up and down) stops. What is happening is the twine needles go through the press, stopping it from moving for two revolutions while it makes a knot in the string. The wad board also stops because the press is stopped. This is the way New Holland designed these balers. I used to love hearing that sound of the tension spring snapping during a tie.
The plunger locks in the pressed position while tying and the gearing continues to turn 1revolution via the telescoping connecting rod, all the while the feeding doesn't stop causing the engine to bark a little more when the plunger resumes motion.
Very interesting.
First baler I've ever seen with a right hand plunger head,.
You'll have to go backwards around the field.
Makes the super 66 we had look modern.
I spent a good part of my youth walking along beside one of these miserable POS watching to see if it had tied the bale. The remnants of it are still setting in my junk pile in eastern Montana. This is one of the things that drove me off the ranch to go to college. Now I have a little hobby ranch and a new baler, every time I look at one of these I remember hot, dry, frustrating days of trying to bale with one of these.
I agree about the death traps. People had more farm accidents back in the days. You really have to be careful around all these moving parts.
That's some hellacious mechanics.
We had a John deere with a 2cyl wisconsin. You'd heard that engine hunt with each plunger head stroke for miles around.
that thing sounds like a big block v8
i would live to get my hands on one of those engines....
the kind of dune hoper i could make with it would be legendary
Even New Holland knew they wouldn't tie consistently. Notice the seat on the side so somebody could sit there and watch to make sure the bale was tied both top and bottom?? As I recall the book said it was usual for them to miss a "few ties, perhaps one in fifty." I'd have to look to be sure but they completely redesigned the whole baler before they came out with the model 77. There are several of these around in good condition because they were replaced pretty early in their life.
Bill has s Super 66 also. So I know hwat you are talking about. Neat old balers!
You are sure welcome. Be sure to ck out my other video too on the baler.
Mike
Bill said it was originally made to bale straw that is why the pick up is on the left side. This is a New Holland model 76 baler. Check out my other video on it in the filed. Bill said it was made orginally to bale straw and that is why the pick up is on the left side. This baler was featured in New Holland Magazine.
Do you know what the difference between a model 76 and a model 75?
My dad had this baler when i was a kid. I learned my first cuss words watching him try to get the Wisconsin motor started🤬
Same here. My earliest memories. Early ‘50s.
sounds fucking AWSOME
Use to bail straw with one of those a long long time ago.
Bill looked it up...no Model 90. They did make a model 98 that had a hammer head type like this one, they also made these models: 69, 98, 99, 269, 290 and a bunch of others! The model 98 is the only one with a 9 in the model number that had the top plunger (hammer head)
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On-lookers should do just that, look on. No need for comments or suggestions, such as "the sediment bowl isn't filling". It started despite your unwanted noise.
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Thing that packs hay to plunger looks like the old stationary belt drive ones ive seen.must be early early pull type??. Still hard feeding em that way. Needs a big windrow.
the knotter on all NH balers were McCormak corn binder knotters invented in late 1800s, NH never changed them they eventually bought the IH pat. in 1963 with IH the right to use them,NH renewed it twice and now everybody uses this same design, NH balers would tie 50,000 bales without a miss if adjusted right,
Yes ChuckrL you are right about that!
What was the reason that the pickup was on the other side? I can't catch what he said at 2:00.
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those balers could make a hundred pound bale easy i know i own one 76 and 77
Bill told me that was the only baler New Holland made with the pick up on that side. I do not know why.
nothing like a wisconsin v4d engine tough motor
V4d or V4h ?
Ok, let's get a few things straight here. First, string tie balers are WIMPY! They make soft light bales under 80 lb. Back in the early 50's New Holland and many other brands made wire tie balers. My personal experience was with a New Holland Model 80 baler, wire tie, bales of alfalfa weighed 95 to 105 lb. Bales were so tight U couldn't get yer fingers under the wires U hadta handle them with hay hooks. Many belts, pulleys, gears and cams and the whole thing depended on a rimed sequence of mechanical operations. The knottier that tied the wires was a nightmare. The wisconsin V4 that powered it was a gas hog, hard to start and easy to overheat as it was air cooled. Never the less we managed to bale up 400 tons of prime alfalfa a year in the 60's.
100% OSHA approved !
Ricky, email if you know where a 76 is for sale.
Thanks,
Mike
What was the reason to have the pickup on the left side? I could not make out what he said.
***** the reason it had the pickup on that side was because it was to bale straw. That is what I was told.
On the practical side, I'm thinking look at all the moving parts that need greasing. Plus the parts will wear out and the baler will go down just as you're starting on a field. Then you go to the bank for a loan so you can get new parts at the dealership! LOL
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Yes a Wisconsin V4.
Sounds like the Wisconsin's having an off day.
Is that powered be a v4 Wisconsin? Seems like a lot of power for a baler but a great engine none the less!
I bet it made all of about 25 hp
Cross those spark plug wires and let it pop back through the carburetor a few times ... cleans it right out.
I wish to learn about new model OCC Baler
Get that damn engune tuned up!! 0:49
Where can I buy The upper and lower Canvas on the pick up head
If I remember correctly, Bill made his own. I don’t know where
2:40 machine starts up
How are you sir ? (Main people's in video)
I could never understand why New Holland seem to all over the map with regard to model numbers? This one is a model 74 but in the early 50's they introduced the model 66..why not in numerical order?
+chuckwin100 I sure agree with you!. Many other manufacturers did the same thing.
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they didn't need to they just give you a number and it works for you
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what model is that bailer? For the truth on that twine needles going through the press and stopping the wad board. That was not designed by New Holland, but designed by an area Mennonite man that New Holland payed royalities too. there is a group of men in the New Holland area starting on a restoration of a 73 baler.
death trap for sure
Could use a few more shields
What would happen if a drive belt snapped line 240 on the vid think of your SAFTEY FIRST
Classic antique show crowd. Someone always has to yell out what's wrong with it.
This is a model 73 then, the first production baler from New Holland?
+chuckwin100 I believe Bill the owner said it is a Model 74. Bill has a large collection of New Holland and other balers. He knows his balers!
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my brother tells me we had a nh 90 model similar to this anyone know if this is right ?
was there a 90 model ?
I was told by a neighbor that his was a wire tie #80 NH.I should have bought it. I saw it at two other auctions later. Lost track.
Interesting but looks dangerous as all getout. Standing close to the pickup and belt drive is not good. A local man ended up going thru a baler years ago, but there was alcohol involved
Looks like it skipped a beat at the end. I wonder if that was a camera illusion or an overload protection device.
It always does that when it ties a bale. :) The hammer head stops while it runs the needles up with the string.
bentonbee1
aaahhhh, that makes sense. I guess I forgot about that.
+bentonbee1 and the plunger stops also, i saw it in another video.
+chuckwin100 Yes when it puts the needles up to tie the plunger stops momenaryly to all that to happen.
my uncle has a self propeled one
Brian, does it have the pickup on the same side as this baler does? Some of the old New Hollands looked somewhat like this but didn't have the pick up on the same side and didn't have the Canvas pickup.
Dumb to kick hay in with your foot, unless you want to end up inside. Baled up.
The pick up part seams to work like shit. They guy even has to kick it in with his foot.
Would be cooler to see it pulled behind a tractor.
And I dont understand why he thinks straw specifically needs the pick up on the left?
Too bad we couldn't see it going down a windrow instead of forking broken Bales into it
Check out some of my other videos!
ua-cam.com/video/2bY-dANYZzk/v-deo.html you can see it run in the field
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Get a tripod, camera is way to shaky, poor quality!
When it came to hay balers, New Holland red was the only color to found on this beef farm. Most of those earlier 73 & 76 model balers had VE4 Wisconsin engines with a hand clutch and long v-belts up around the 33 inch diameter flywheel and that engine would run all day. We had a Model 73 that loved gobbling up long stem hay like timothy but short stem straw would take its time going up that canvas apron but it made beautiful square bales. Our 73 model had a 3 inch wide flat belt coming off the main shaft to power the pickup and knotter assemblies, most of the videos poster here show a v-belt drive to the rear. Over the years we had three Super 77 balers with VE4 engines and two 66 balers with small two cylinder engines. Then we decided to go "modern" and got a N.H. model 281 baler pto powered by a John Deere 70 tractor. We baled a "gazillion" bales through it and it rarely had a miss-tied bale. Eventually, all these balers were "retired" to the fence row. Advertised them for sale running or for parts, no takers. (Everyone looking for kicker balers) Tried selling the N.H. Model 281 for $1500, then 1200, then 900, then 500 dollars no buyers, unbelievable...!! Scrap dealer came and took all seven balers, trucked them over to Harrisburg, PA, dumped in to railroad cars after tearing off he rubber tires, shipped to Philly, balers were dumped into a ship's cargo hold and sailed off to who knows where.....!!
Most likely sent to by ship to China, only to be sent back to the United States in your next package of razor blades, your next toaster, microwave, the springs in your next ball point pen, or maybe as a coil roll of steel used to make your next new car with.
Yes ChuckrL you are right about that!
Bill told me that was the only baler New Holland made with the pick up on that side. I do not know why.
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