@@jefferyashmore6477 Better pay than we had. Worked the summer during HS on family dairy farm. Maybe 50 bucks for summer back in early 1970s . Had to farm between milking cows but do remember putting up 12k bails of oat hay in a two week period . And wire bails at that. Didn’t kill anybody but sure was to tired for any fooling around lol
@@donaldmckie5960 you are tough people!! Would have lived to worked with you. We live in central Illinois had beef cattle. Worked on many baling crews.
My Dad did custom Haying in the late 60's out in Washington State. As a family we cut, baled and stacked a thousand acres of Alfalfa 4 cuttings a year for a farmer that migrated up from Texas. My sister cut the hay with a new John Deere 880 Swather (hundred acres a day). My mother, Brother and Dad baled at night with the dew on with 3 John Deere 214 model wire tie balers and I stacked all the hay with a New Holland Bale wagon. This video brought back a lot of memories
We are an all New Holland farm when it comes to hay production. We raise 3 cuttings per year and bale around 60 acres both round and square bales. The main tractor for mowing and round baling is a New Holland T5-120. The discbine is a 7230 and the round baler is a 450 silage special. The 5070 square baler is ran by a New Holland 5060. The Tedder is a 3417 and the rakes are a 258 and 260. They are pulled by a New Holland 3430. All tractors are MFWD due to the hills we have in southwestern PA. If time allows and the weather forecast isn’t pushing I bring out my 1954 Super H to stretch its legs and do some raking. Great video !!
That was a great little video and well worth the time. No goofy voice over, just straight to the point. Those machines are crazy efficient. My dad’s uncle had a small ranch around Barstow back in the 70s. They used an old Case for cutting, a New Holland bailer that spat out 3 different sized bails at any given time - it’s choice - and an elevator attached at the side of a 1928 Rio cement truck converted to flat bed, towed by a 36’ Deere - I think model B. I was very young so I was the autopilot in the Rio. To say they were poor is an understatement. May God Bless the family farmer. It can be a difficult and unforgiving life.
We had these same "New Holland" stack cruiser on a 5000 acre irrigated wheat project in North Africa in the early 1980's. We wire tied all the wheat straw after combining in small square bales. After harvest season we had a great wall of China straw bales. Our stack cruisers were 460 Ford powered, worked perfectly, but you had to be careful to not start a stubble fire because of the downward dumping exhaust. This video brings back memories for me.
I grew up in Wyoming in the early to mid seventies and we always put up a f-ton of square bale alfalfa hay. I was maybe 7 at the most when I started getting involved so too little and puny to load the bales on the truck so I spent many many days every summer on a farm all 460 and an IH baler. 231 iirc I was so small I had to grab the steering wheel with both hands and stand on the clutch to get it in gear 😊. I guess it never occurred to me that it was hard constant work, I suppose I thought that everyone on the planet lived like we did, just didn’t know better. Looking back at them and the way the world is now, I wouldn’t change a thing and I wouldn’t have it any other way
I grew up on an Alfalfa farm in central California. We ran NH exclusively. Started out with a 1048 bale wagon then got a 1069 and lastly a 1075 all these followed our self propelled 1283-3 wire 125# baler. 16 bales/ton. All our hay was sold to the dairymen of the San Jaquine Valley. I can still hear the cadence of the baler as it thumped down the windrow. Thank you for the wonderful videos
We did all the picking/stacking by hand when I was a young man. We finally got a "pop up". Bolted to the side of our flatbed truck, ground driven, would grab the bale and lift it to about chest high. Thought we died and went to heaven.
@@colamity_5000 Yes, but that was clearly explained in the video 💰 Feel free though to purchase this farm a 3038E and an s200 if it bothers you so much 😂
Kind of therapeutic just sitting & watching baling & stacking. Miss hearing the old, rhythmic "ker chunck, ker chunck, ker chunck" of balers and watching the intricate dance of the stackers. New Holland & JD were the best/are small bale implements on the market. ❤❤❤
Glad to see you do a video on the 1069. I grew up raising 3 cuttings of alfalfa a season, during which I ran the swathers and balers and my dad ran the stack wagon. Good times back then. I miss the days of putting up hay.
It's been years since I've seen anyone running small bales! I remember my dad and grandpa hiring several of my high school football team mates to help us run our 80lb bales. They always thought I was crazy for wearing long sleeve flannel shirts while they wore tank tops, at least on the first day lol! Dust and chaff don't bother your legs too much but, it's bad on the arms and chest! They always wore flannel after that first day! Mom and grandma always kept everyone well fed and hydrated throughout the days too. This was well before Gatorade and other brands were common and even today, nothing hits the spot like a big glass of ice water sometimes.
Always wanted 1 of those Stack Cruisers. Yet another piece of equipment I couldn't talk my dad into buying. Guess he figured since he had me for the manual labor, no need for one. 😂
My first job at the age of 12 was stacking hay from rack wagons filled by John Deere 346 baler with a kicker. I asked the farmer if he ever thought about getting an automatic bale wagon. He said if I got one of those you would be out of a job 😁
Same for me. I was the swather operator, rake operator, baler operator, and hay hauler. I’d bale the alfalfa hay from about 2am till 8am when the sun came up over the mountains. And I’d spend the heat of the day hauling hay by hand and stacking it in huge stacks to be sold throughout the year. 100 acres of hay was my job and my FFA project for 5 years during the 70’s. I did lots of custom hay work as well. It helped to pay for college. I miss farming and cattle but it just wasn’t a tenable career for me.
Reminds me so much about when I was a boy I helped my friends father bale hay/straw. Great memories for sure. It's great to see those older bailers still going strong. Thanks Jason 👍🏻.
We make some small square bales on our farm with similar equipment. We use a adapter on the PTO from 1 3/4 1000rpm to 540 size PTO, then run the large tractor at 1100 rpm to get 540 rpm at the baler. It helps us save some fuel and ware and tare on the large tractors. Easier to find a driver when you can offer a cab and AC rather then a open station tractor as well.
Glad to see the video includes numerous breaking and broken bales. As a kid I spent a lot of time feeding them into our John Deere 114W "stationary" baler powered by the crank-start Wisconsin VF4D.
I’ve ran a 348 bailer on a John Deere 4000. Many hot long summers bailing and unloading wagons. We would load a bunch of wagons in the afternoon then back the wagons in the barn at night and then unload in the AM when it was cooler. Great video. Thank you for sharing.
Those are the coolest machines ever. I always wanted to buy one, but never got big enough to justify the cost. Stuck as a one-man band. Working off the farm. Cut 4 racks worth, Ted, rake. Bale them drop on the ground. Go back over with the hay rack and pick them up. Drive them to the Barn. Pull the racks in out of the weather. After work each night. Stack them in the barn. If the weather was right. Would be cutting again after work on Wednesday. Ted on Thursday. Rake on Friday. Bale on Sat, Sun. Rinse and repeat until done.
Remember the first time I seen with machines. I was in Buckeye Arizona. Back in 1963. One of my great-uncles place.. they were picking up Alfalfa bales.👍🏽🤘🏾🤙🏾😊😎🙋🏽♂️. . Unfortunately they're no longer with us. Somewhere born back in the late 1800's. Pretty much all died between the mid-sixties in the late 60s. My great-grandmother. It was living with my great-uncle passed away 110. Full-blooded Chumash Indian. From Santa Barbara California. Go through by covered wagon when she was 6 months old. But yeah those machines were something else compared to people having to pick them up by hand as I did Northern California where I grew up at at the age of 10. Mid-sixties.👍🏽🤘🏾🤙🏾🤟🏽✌🏽🙏🏽😊😎🙋🏽♂️🌲🌲🌲🦅.
I used to operate these “harrowbeds” in the late 70’s to 80. I believe we had 1068 and 1069 models. We hauled alfalfa and straw. Straw is much lighter and more “springy” than alfalfa. Bales don’t have as clean cut and perpendicular lines that an alfalfa bale will have. I preferred to work with alfalfa, personally. If I recall, correctly, our wagons had Ford 460 V8 engines in them. We hauled in California.
When I was growing up this was the primary method of hay production we used. Most of the hay was then loaded into cattle pot trailer bound for Florida where the alfalfa hay was sold to horse customers the truck would then load up with cattle and brig them back to the Texas panhandle feed lots then head to close by Easter New Mexico for more alfalfa. The industry then switched to nearly all large squares to feed the local dairy industry as it grew but in recent years small bales are making a comeback as the dairy industry shrinks here. Way different though as steamers and hay bundler systems are now the preferred method.
That bale wagon is the ONLY way to go! I’ve been that bale wagon before and I gladly relinquish my position! That looks like a lot of tractor for such a small baler.
I ran one of those bale stackers for a summer. It's not as simple as it looks. It takes some coordination to time the pickup of the bales with the hydraulically actuated trip levers that lift the tables.
@@bigtractorpower My boss warned me to be careful to make sure the push-off feet were retracted before lowering the bed, or it would bend them straight up, LOL. I never forgot.
The first stacker appeared in our small town during the summer of my senior year. Much of my college was funded by "bucking hay" during the summers. I left for college but learned those stackers put a lot of high school kids out of work. They were good for the farmers, but tough on young men needing honest work.
Kudos to you folks for the size, scale of your hay production. Your operation is top drawer from machinery, to operators, to production and getting those bales under cover immediately to avoid weather spoilage. Where do you farm and how many acres?
I still make small square bales on my place. We only make between 4000 and 5000 bales a year but it feeds our small cow herd here in eastern Utah. Most folks around here make round or large square bales, but for me to transition to round or large square represents a large investment that I just can't afford. I feed with an ATV and small trailer I built for it and never start a tractor in the winter.
Thank you for sharing. How do you put up your bales in the field? Where I grew up in NY kick bakers were very popular for filling wagons until the 90’s when most farms switched to New Holland 1069s like the ones in this video.
Well darn. I pull my 2020 348 with my 2355. Those are big win rows but I bet they could go faster then that. Good videos. I can’t wait till hay season.
Generally, with 36” bales such as these, you should tie a bale every 12 hits of the plunger. The combination of travel speed and windrow weight should produce about a 3” compression slice. I counted on average 20 plunges per bale here, they could go almost twice as fast as they are here.
In the 70s and 80s we would fill 3 barn lofts with 2000 wheat straw bales, all used for hog beddings, then we built more modern hog barns, and didn’t need the straw, hard work but great memories, thanks for the video Jason
Wow, love the stacker unit. Have never seen this before (although not involved in farming since I was a kid). When I was little (too little to stand on the stuker 😕), hay bales were piled into 6 bale pyramid stacks which then have to be lifted onto a wagon, manually stacked there, manually unstacked at the barn onto a hay elevator and then re-stacked into the hay mow. VERY labour intensive. Then migrated to a baler with a thrower into box wagons but still manually unloading at the barn. Then again, the barn was 1920s wood constructed and the autostacker here would not have fit into the back doors.
I have seen the pyramid stacks in all over early the early 80’s in Ontario. New Holland bale wagons make square bales easy. I hope to film a pull type one this year.
Excellent video much different then when I was younger, picking up bales from a 14t baler with a Wisconsin engine, love haying thanks for sharing this!
Hi from SE England. We make hay using a Hesston 4600 square baler which make 78' x 32' x18' bales for the horse market. The baler has just completed its 34th season and has probably baled over 200000 bales. Its also fitted with moisture meter and additive applicator.
*It's fascinating to witness two rows of machinery with a lengthy market presence. They are so well-designed that the fundamental concept hasn't undergone significant changes.*
I make small conventional baled hay for Horse owning customers here in the U.K. using a New Holland 940 baler towing a Cooks flat 8 bale accumulator. I then stack 6 layers of 3 flat 8 packs onto a flat 2 wheeled trailer with a slightly sloping front rave, with a Farmhand flat 8 grab attached to a JCB 320S articulated steering loader which allows instant side-shift by turning the steering wheel to ensure the load is stacked tightly. Then carrying an additional flat 8 pack back to the farmyard, I bringing home 152 bales/turn round using the JCB to tow the trailer. It is importantly to have the side rail on the flat 8 loader grab to be able to squash the bales tightly together, not only onto the trailer, but from the trailer to the stack. My rail is on the RHS and I always load the trailer from its LHS. I tie the bales onto the rear of the trailer with a rope, which is much quicker than using ratchet straps. Depending how far the field is from the farmyard, I generally tend to shift about 2,000 bales per day, single handedly. I have been doing it this way for 50 years, starting off with a Farmhand F11 loader on an MF 175 tractor. But in those days 1,000 a day was a good day!
New holland 1116 swather, allen 8803 hay rakes, 1 new holland 500 small square baler, and a 505, and an 1065 stack cruiser, and i believe a 1052 new holland retriever on an older GM truck chassis. All still being used currently. Love your work BTP.
I had a N.H. 1034 pull type Stackliner that also could retrieve the stack from the hay shed. Sure is handy to transport the stack to the barn in winter time.
My dad had a 1069 stack wagon when he was still doing small square bales. I run a small hay farm for someone now and we use a Steffens 10 bale accumulator and grapple. I definitely prefer the stack wagon over the accumulator.
I've been checking the comments for someone with experience with both systems,we still use kicker wagons, maybe either system is faster, still debating.
thanks jason for another great look into modern farming ,i worked on an arable farm back in 1986 ,we had a johndeere 3040 a nice bit of kit ,we used to stack these bales by hand .i picked up one of these small bales and the strings ran through my fingers. it hurt ,but i didnt giveup ,great vid my friend
Truly amazing to watch..👊😎..totally different easier and quicker than compared to stacking on a wagon then unstacking/restacking in a barn all done by hand..
Nice video. It's hard to believe that it's more economically efficient to run those small ballers with such big tractors when you account for diesel and depreciation that counts hours, regardless of how much power is actually needed.
DEF delete on the newer tractor...keeping them at near idle they don't use much diesel... premium creature comforts. I totally get why they don't buy 3 5M-Series tractors when they still need the +200hp.
@@tf7274 thanks for the response. I get that point, but it still doesn't account for the depreciation and higher cost of repairs (and still more fuel, even if not as much as will older engines). I've seen a depreciation of about $20/hours for those tractors, so depending on how many hours you use them for lighter tasks, the extra cost may be significant. Just wondering if anyone has done the calculation (I imagine who runs that operation has) .
@@gggbon doubt depreciation is a huge factor, that new holland bale stacked is from the 70s, and the 8130 is somewhere around 2005-2009. So at this point they’re likely high hours either way.
He’s talking about the depreciation on the fancy high horsepower tractors not the old bale wagons. Not depreciation from a tax stand point, depreciation as the actual value that’s the tractors are losing from the added hours
Boy oh boy! All those busted bales make this a poor ad spot for those green balers.😁 I use a 1010 pull type NH Stackliner to pick up bales from an IH 47 baler. A great combo that makes quick work of the hay. Regards!
@@Snowtruckdriver It's unfortunate that so few know how to adjust twisters & knotters. There really isn't much to them. I think it's the assumed complexity that makes it difficult for some & lack of time or concern for others. Worn parts & poor adjustment can make any baler look bad & they are quite easy to keep after. Regards!
Thank you for watching. Growing up in WNY this was a common sight. If you have allot of hay to cover several times a year at 1.4 mph it’s nice to have a comfortable ride. You are looking at $200,000 for a tractor that would be in the pto range to just run a baler. To me it makes sense to maximize 10 to 20 year old tractors that are paid for and can run in every season.
Just because I gotta say it... We ran a 766 on a New Holland 320 baler with a kicker wagon, faster than those green machines 😁😁 and because I'm a fair person we mostly used our 1066 black stripe but Red power just hits different no matter the numbers 😁😎
@@bigtractorpower 1.4 mph is really slow, why do they operate at such a low speed? I was thinking it had to do with the pickup head getting plugged from material being forcefully jammed into it at higher ground speeds, so by operating at this really slow speed, plugging up the baler is a non-issue, saving you from having to shut the baler down, getting out of the tractor, manually shoveling out the excess material causing the blockage with a pitchfork, getting back in the tractor seat, restarting the baler, then stopping it again and repeating the process if the blockage is still there and not fully cleared out all the way. I know on the larger square balers that make much bigger (and significantly heavier) square bales, there’s two options for busting blockages in the system, either hydraulically dropping the floor with a pair of large hydraulic cylinders and the blockage falls out via gravity, or forcing the pickup head to temporarily run backwards to spit the blockage back out the way it tried to go in.
@@noahater5785 I'm biased but I can say we baled circles around our neighbor who had a John Deere. The Deere's made a better looking bale but didn't touch the speed of our New Hollands. My grandfather used to work on all brands of knotters back in the day and said it all had to do with the feed style.
Great video Jason, Interesting to see that although the tractor has 200 more horsepower than the baler needs the baler is still gently rocking the tractor!
I had a John Deere 24T square baler, which is the same as J.D. 336 model. Any 50 horse power tractor is sufficient and more fuel efficient for getting the job done 😊
and Jason, you never mentioned the Deere with tandem balers working diligently in the background! So NewHollands are still working - wish we used these things more, in the UK. thnx for posting
my dad and i did 60 acres in Western Washington, we used a 76 Ford 1000 and a 3 pt sickle mower for cutting, pulled an IH wire tie baler powered by a gas engine, hand stacking on a small cart behind the baler. stacking five bales , then came through with forks on the tractor loader and loaded the hay onto a flatbed truck
My old man would have a fit seeing all those broken bales of hay laying in the feild. I used to have to ride on the baler and watch to see when the knotter didn't tie, then stop him so I could tie it myself.
My dad started out in life in the early forties with a 1020 Farmall and an Ann Arbor baler, custom baling for local farmers. He told me he baled hay,straw,corn stalks and soy bean pummies which was the worst if you were riding on the baler punching and tying.
Great video. I have always loved watching the bale stackers. It may just be the video, but capacity on those balers seems to be lacking compared to competition... Thanks for putting this together!
Capacity? I'm certainly not expert and most folk posting comments here are vastly more experienced than me, but that sure seems like those guys have a big, heavy crop of hay. I grew up on an average-to-small-sized farm in the Midwest and if we ever had a hay crop that good I don't remember it. We planted our most productive fields in cash crops like wheat or soybeans with some in corn for feed, while a few small hill-side acres of not-so-good clay soil were used for hay. Look how big those windrows are going into the baler and how fast the baler is spiting out bales, and how close they are in the field.
Man oh man those are some giant windrows, and they're not doubled either, you can tell by how close together they are, you could almost hop from bale to bale they're so close together. Those 348 balers operate at 93 strokes per minute, and I counted them tying a bale about every 12 seconds, which is getting it done, do you happen to know what kind of hay that was, Timothy maybe? New Holland has stuck with those stackers, pretty much having that market to themselves, and when you enjoy that luxury, you don't have to spend anything on R&D, they haven't been changed in decades, other than that black unpainted ABS nose, which I think is ugly, but I'm sure it saves them some money on each one. "Nothing Runs Like A Deere" 🦌 👍 🇺🇲
I remember stacking bales till 10pm at night when I simply couldn't lift another - the worst was a batch of "heavy bales" from the edge of the fields ! Boy did I sleep at night!
Very true, hard work, but great exercise. I stacked bales behind the baler in tripods of 10. I made good money that way, but was in good demand, as several farmers knew about me. Some years I stacked close to 20,000 bales behind the baler.
That is awesome hay production! I have never seen or heard of Stak Cruisers but their mechanical function is complex yet very smooth. It's stated that these small bales are 14 x 18, which I assume is the width x height measure and the length appears to be about 36 - 40 inches?
Impressive operation. I don’t have a farm or bale for anyone but it seems like all that I see around here are round bales. I live in the upstate of South Carolina.
I recall cutting and bailing alfalfa at night because it was too hot during the day. We'd go to bed at 3 and wake up at 10 and work till dawn. It screwed up our sleep pattern but we got it done.
Wish we had a stacker growing up, my cousins and myself were the stacker and unloader . Hard work but the best of times
I was once a square bale handler myself.
We put up about 40,000 bales a year all by hand. Made us strong $2.50 a hour.
@@jefferyashmore6477 Better pay than we had. Worked the summer during HS on family dairy farm. Maybe 50 bucks for summer back in early 1970s . Had to farm between milking cows but do remember putting up 12k bails of oat hay in a two week period . And wire bails at that. Didn’t kill anybody but sure was to tired for any fooling around lol
@@donaldmckie5960 you are tough people!! Would have lived to worked with you. We live in central Illinois had beef cattle. Worked on many baling crews.
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My Dad did custom Haying in the late 60's out in Washington State. As a family we cut, baled and stacked a thousand acres of Alfalfa 4 cuttings a year for a farmer that migrated up from Texas. My sister cut the hay with a new John Deere 880 Swather (hundred acres a day). My mother, Brother and Dad baled at night with the dew on with 3 John Deere 214 model wire tie balers and I stacked all the hay with a New Holland Bale wagon. This video brought back a lot of memories
Our farm was in lynden wa. I do miss the haying!
We are an all New Holland farm when it comes to hay production. We raise 3 cuttings per year and bale around 60 acres both round and square bales. The main tractor for mowing and round baling is a New Holland T5-120. The discbine is a 7230 and the round baler is a 450 silage special. The 5070 square baler is ran by a New Holland 5060. The Tedder is a 3417 and the rakes are a 258 and 260. They are pulled by a New Holland 3430. All tractors are MFWD due to the hills we have in southwestern PA. If time allows and the weather forecast isn’t pushing I bring out my 1954 Super H to stretch its legs and do some raking. Great video !!
@@davemyers2615 Are you still working on that farm now?
@@tony98discovery Yes. 6th generation
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No music, Just working sounds. Loved it. You get it right... Thank you 👍
The music is the engines at work 😁👍
That was a great little video and well worth the time. No goofy voice over, just straight to the point. Those machines are crazy efficient. My dad’s uncle had a small ranch around Barstow back in the 70s. They used an old Case for cutting, a New Holland bailer that spat out 3 different sized bails at any given time - it’s choice - and an elevator attached at the side of a 1928 Rio cement truck converted to flat bed, towed by a 36’ Deere - I think model B. I was very young so I was the autopilot in the Rio. To say they were poor is an understatement. May God Bless the family farmer. It can be a difficult and unforgiving life.
We had these same "New Holland" stack cruiser on a 5000 acre irrigated wheat project in North Africa in the early 1980's. We wire tied all the wheat straw after combining in small square bales. After harvest season we had a great wall of China straw bales. Our stack cruisers were 460 Ford powered, worked perfectly, but you had to be careful to not start a stubble fire because of the downward dumping exhaust. This video brings back memories for me.
I grew up in Wyoming in the early to mid seventies and we always put up a f-ton of square bale alfalfa hay. I was maybe 7 at the most when I started getting involved so too little and puny to load the bales on the truck so I spent many many days every summer on a farm all 460 and an IH baler. 231 iirc I was so small I had to grab the steering wheel with both hands and stand on the clutch to get it in gear 😊. I guess it never occurred to me that it was hard constant work, I suppose I thought that everyone on the planet lived like we did, just didn’t know better. Looking back at them and the way the world is now, I wouldn’t change a thing and I wouldn’t have it any other way
I grew up on an Alfalfa farm in central California. We ran NH exclusively. Started out with a 1048 bale wagon then got a 1069 and lastly a 1075 all these followed our self propelled 1283-3 wire 125# baler. 16 bales/ton. All our hay was sold to the dairymen of the San Jaquine Valley. I can still hear the cadence of the baler as it thumped down the windrow. Thank you for the wonderful videos
Looked like they were having some trouble with at least one of their balers. Those stack wagons are so slick!
I have never seen such big tractors operating such small balers. Interesting combination. Great Video!
Just swapped 2 older 5 series tractors for a 5100E. Much more efficient.
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We did all the picking/stacking by hand when I was a young man. We finally got a "pop up". Bolted to the side of our flatbed truck, ground driven, would grab the bale and lift it to about chest high. Thought we died and went to heaven.
It’s goofy is what it is. They got three tractors tied up doing a job that a single smaller tractor could do faster with a better baler.
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Yes, but that was clearly explained in the video 💰
Feel free though to purchase this farm a 3038E and an s200 if it bothers you so much 😂
Kind of therapeutic just sitting & watching baling & stacking. Miss hearing the old, rhythmic "ker chunck, ker chunck, ker chunck" of balers and watching the intricate dance of the stackers. New Holland & JD were the best/are small bale implements on the market. ❤❤❤
Glad to see you do a video on the 1069. I grew up raising 3 cuttings of alfalfa a season, during which I ran the swathers and balers and my dad ran the stack wagon. Good times back then. I miss the days of putting up hay.
Have you raised cattle before?
It's been years since I've seen anyone running small bales! I remember my dad and grandpa hiring several of my high school football team mates to help us run our 80lb bales. They always thought I was crazy for wearing long sleeve flannel shirts while they wore tank tops, at least on the first day lol! Dust and chaff don't bother your legs too much but, it's bad on the arms and chest! They always wore flannel after that first day! Mom and grandma always kept everyone well fed and hydrated throughout the days too. This was well before Gatorade and other brands were common and even today, nothing hits the spot like a big glass of ice water sometimes.
Ice cold milk right from the bulk tank at the barn 🥛😋
i remember riding on the fender with my grandpa while side raking… miss those times & the smells of a dairy farmer in Wisconsin
Interesting to see 2 lines of equipment with a long market life. So well designed that the basic design hasn't changed completely.
Always wanted 1 of those Stack Cruisers. Yet another piece of equipment I couldn't talk my dad into buying. Guess he figured since he had me for the manual labor, no need for one. 😂
My first job at the age of 12 was stacking hay from rack wagons filled by John Deere 346 baler with a kicker. I asked the farmer if he ever thought about getting an automatic bale wagon. He said if I got one of those you would be out of a job 😁
Same for me. I was the swather operator, rake operator, baler operator, and hay hauler.
I’d bale the alfalfa hay from about 2am till 8am when the sun came up over the mountains. And I’d spend the heat of the day hauling hay by hand and stacking it in huge stacks to be sold throughout the year.
100 acres of hay was my job and my FFA project for 5 years during the 70’s.
I did lots of custom hay work as well. It helped to pay for college. I miss farming and cattle but it just wasn’t a tenable career for me.
Reminds me so much about when I was a boy I helped my friends father bale hay/straw. Great memories for sure. It's great to see those older bailers still going strong. Thanks Jason 👍🏻.
My first job was unloading and sticking hay from kick bale wagons filled by a John Deere 346 kick baler. I enjoyed every minute of it.
You mean balers
I rase hay I run a John deer 336 square baler a Heston 530 round baler and a new Holland 850 round baler
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There was something about standing on the wagon stacking bales in the heat and humidity. Something I do not miss.
We make some small square bales on our farm with similar equipment. We use a adapter on the PTO from 1 3/4 1000rpm to 540 size PTO, then run the large tractor at 1100 rpm to get 540 rpm at the baler. It helps us save some fuel and ware and tare on the large tractors. Easier to find a driver when you can offer a cab and AC rather then a open station tractor as well.
Glad to see the video includes numerous breaking and broken bales. As a kid I spent a lot of time feeding them into our John Deere 114W "stationary" baler powered by the crank-start Wisconsin VF4D.
we removed the ties and threw them onto the nearest windrow
I’ve ran a 348 bailer on a John Deere 4000. Many hot long summers bailing and unloading wagons. We would load a bunch of wagons in the afternoon then back the wagons in the barn at night and then unload in the AM when it was cooler. Great video. Thank you for sharing.
I find myself watching and enjoying the damnedest things, thanks big tractor power
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Those are the coolest machines ever. I always wanted to buy one, but never got big enough to justify the cost.
Stuck as a one-man band. Working off the farm.
Cut 4 racks worth, Ted, rake.
Bale them drop on the ground. Go back over with the hay rack and pick them up. Drive them to the Barn.
Pull the racks in out of the weather.
After work each night. Stack them in the barn. If the weather was right. Would be cutting again after work on Wednesday.
Ted on Thursday. Rake on Friday. Bale on Sat, Sun. Rinse and repeat until done.
Awesome video! Thanks! I worked on many Stackcruisers back in my New Holland Mechanic days!
Oh lord unloading bales in a hot barn and throwing bales on a trailer I don't miss it at all
Remember the first time I seen with machines. I was in Buckeye Arizona. Back in 1963.
One of my great-uncles place.. they were picking up Alfalfa bales.👍🏽🤘🏾🤙🏾😊😎🙋🏽♂️.
. Unfortunately they're no longer with us. Somewhere born back in the late 1800's. Pretty much all died between the mid-sixties in the late 60s. My great-grandmother. It was living with my great-uncle passed away 110. Full-blooded Chumash Indian. From Santa Barbara California. Go through by covered wagon when she was 6 months old.
But yeah those machines were something else compared to people having to pick them up by hand as I did Northern California where I grew up at at the age of 10. Mid-sixties.👍🏽🤘🏾🤙🏾🤟🏽✌🏽🙏🏽😊😎🙋🏽♂️🌲🌲🌲🦅.
Well I feel better now seeing the big Tractors pulling the bailers. I used to pull a new Holland 268 behind a 7080 Allis Chalmers.
I used to operate these “harrowbeds” in the late 70’s to 80. I believe we had 1068 and 1069 models. We hauled alfalfa and straw. Straw is much lighter and more “springy” than alfalfa. Bales don’t have as clean cut and perpendicular lines that an alfalfa bale will have. I preferred to work with alfalfa, personally. If I recall, correctly, our wagons had Ford 460 V8 engines in them. We hauled in California.
Another excellent video of Western NY Farming at its finest. Keep up the good work Big Tractor Power.
Growing up on a cattle farm I've had more than my share of square bales... Can't say I miss it... That's an awesome piece of equipment Jason..
Do you still live on that cattle ranch now?
@@tony98discovery I live on a 600 acre farm now... I had 200 head of cattle for years and now I'm down to 60..
And we always thought our 4640 pulling the JD 336 bailer was a bit overkill.
When I was growing up this was the primary method of hay production we used. Most of the hay was then loaded into cattle pot trailer bound for Florida where the alfalfa hay was sold to horse customers the truck would then load up with cattle and brig them back to the Texas panhandle feed lots then head to close by Easter New Mexico for more alfalfa. The industry then switched to nearly all large squares to feed the local dairy industry as it grew but in recent years small bales are making a comeback as the dairy industry shrinks here. Way different though as steamers and hay bundler systems are now the preferred method.
That bale wagon is the ONLY way to go! I’ve been that bale wagon before and I gladly relinquish my position! That looks like a lot of tractor for such a small baler.
not a farmer , but thank you for entertaining and educating me as how farmers feed the world !
I ran one of those bale stackers for a summer. It's not as simple as it looks. It takes some coordination to time the pickup of the bales with the hydraulically actuated trip levers that lift the tables.
They definitely have lots of functions to watch. I would be nervous backing up to the stack and unloading.
@@bigtractorpower My boss warned me to be careful to make sure the push-off feet were retracted before lowering the bed, or it would bend them straight up, LOL. I never forgot.
Absolutely correct my friend. I used to stack 4000 bales a day back in 1968.
The first stacker appeared in our small town during the summer of my senior year. Much of my college was funded by "bucking hay" during the summers. I left for college but learned those stackers put a lot of high school kids out of work. They were good for the farmers, but tough on young men needing honest work.
Are there any of them left anymore
You couldn’t find enough high school boys, that want to work , to make a hay crew.
@@kennethheern4896 maybe they sure can find illegals though
Make round bales now and ensilage
Kudos to you folks for the size, scale of your hay production. Your operation is top drawer from machinery, to operators, to production and getting those bales under cover immediately to avoid weather spoilage.
Where do you farm and how many acres?
I still make small square bales on my place. We only make between 4000 and 5000 bales a year but it feeds our small cow herd here in eastern Utah. Most folks around here make round or large square bales, but for me to transition to round or large square represents a large investment that I just can't afford. I feed with an ATV and small trailer I built for it and never start a tractor in the winter.
Thank you for sharing. How do you put up your bales in the field? Where I grew up in NY kick bakers were very popular for filling wagons until the 90’s when most farms switched to New Holland 1069s like the ones in this video.
Back in the 1960s myself and three others would pick these bales up by hand. Hot work.
Well darn. I pull my 2020 348 with my 2355. Those are big win rows but I bet they could go faster then that. Good videos. I can’t wait till hay season.
A 2355 is a good sized baling tractor. 👍👍
Generally, with 36” bales such as these, you should tie a bale every 12 hits of the plunger. The combination of travel speed and windrow weight should produce about a 3” compression slice. I counted on average 20 plunges per bale here, they could go almost twice as fast as they are here.
In the 70s and 80s we would fill 3 barn lofts with 2000 wheat straw bales, all used for hog beddings, then we built more modern hog barns, and didn’t need the straw, hard work but great memories, thanks for the video Jason
That's a really good producing hay field. Don't take long to fill a barn with that many bales hitting the ground.
Wow, love the stacker unit. Have never seen this before (although not involved in farming since I was a kid). When I was little (too little to stand on the stuker 😕), hay bales were piled into 6 bale pyramid stacks which then have to be lifted onto a wagon, manually stacked there, manually unstacked at the barn onto a hay elevator and then re-stacked into the hay mow. VERY labour intensive. Then migrated to a baler with a thrower into box wagons but still manually unloading at the barn. Then again, the barn was 1920s wood constructed and the autostacker here would not have fit into the back doors.
I have seen the pyramid stacks in all over early the early 80’s in Ontario. New Holland bale wagons make square bales easy. I hope to film a pull type one this year.
Excellent video much different then when I was younger, picking up bales from a 14t baler with a Wisconsin engine, love haying thanks for sharing this!
Have you lived on a farm before?
YES, why?
Hi from SE England. We make hay using a Hesston 4600 square baler which make 78' x 32' x18' bales for the horse market. The baler has just completed its 34th season and has probably baled over 200000 bales. Its also fitted with moisture meter and additive applicator.
Love how far farming has come past twenty years. Can get much more done faster now
He’s certainly moving with that bale wagon!! Great video.
The silver pill Bell wagon is one of my favorite farm machines. They are really need to watch.
The stack cruisers look cool😉👍 hay making videos are always nice, thank you👍😁
They are one of my all time favorite farm
Machines.
*It's fascinating to witness two rows of machinery with a lengthy market presence. They are so well-designed that the fundamental concept hasn't undergone significant changes.*
They are proven and long lasting. .
I would love this! Stack Cruisers are the best solution!
Funny how the plunger in the bailers makes even those big tractors surge every time it goes around.
I make small conventional baled hay for Horse owning customers here in the U.K. using a New Holland 940 baler towing a Cooks flat 8 bale accumulator. I then stack 6 layers of 3 flat 8 packs onto a flat 2 wheeled trailer with a slightly sloping front rave, with a Farmhand flat 8 grab attached to a JCB 320S articulated steering loader which allows instant side-shift by turning the steering wheel to ensure the load is stacked tightly. Then carrying an additional flat 8 pack back to the farmyard, I bringing home 152 bales/turn round using the JCB to tow the trailer.
It is importantly to have the side rail on the flat 8 loader grab to be able to squash the bales tightly together, not only onto the trailer, but from the trailer to the stack. My rail is on the RHS and I always load the trailer from its LHS. I tie the bales onto the rear of the trailer with a rope, which is much quicker than using ratchet straps.
Depending how far the field is from the farmyard, I generally tend to shift about 2,000 bales per day, single handedly.
I have been doing it this way for 50 years, starting off with a Farmhand F11 loader on an MF 175 tractor. But in those days 1,000 a day was a good day!
New holland 1116 swather, allen 8803 hay rakes, 1 new holland 500 small square baler, and a 505, and an 1065 stack cruiser, and i believe a 1052 new holland retriever on an older GM truck chassis. All still being used currently. Love your work BTP.
I had a N.H. 1034 pull type Stackliner that also could retrieve the stack from the hay shed. Sure is handy to transport the stack to the barn in winter time.
My dad had a 1069 stack wagon when he was still doing small square bales. I run a small hay farm for someone now and we use a Steffens 10 bale accumulator and grapple. I definitely prefer the stack wagon over the accumulator.
I've been checking the comments for someone with experience with both systems,we still use kicker wagons, maybe either system is faster, still debating.
thanks jason for another great look into modern farming ,i worked on an arable farm back in 1986 ,we had a johndeere 3040 a nice bit of kit ,we used to stack these bales by hand .i picked up one of these small bales and the strings ran through my fingers. it hurt ,but i didnt giveup ,great vid my friend
Truly amazing to watch..👊😎..totally different easier and quicker than compared to stacking on a wagon then unstacking/restacking in a barn all done by hand..
Nice video. It's hard to believe that it's more economically efficient to run those small ballers with such big tractors when you account for diesel and depreciation that counts hours, regardless of how much power is actually needed.
DEF delete on the newer tractor...keeping them at near idle they don't use much diesel... premium creature comforts. I totally get why they don't buy 3 5M-Series tractors when they still need the +200hp.
@@tf7274 thanks for the response. I get that point, but it still doesn't account for the depreciation and higher cost of repairs (and still more fuel, even if not as much as will older engines). I've seen a depreciation of about $20/hours for those tractors, so depending on how many hours you use them for lighter tasks, the extra cost may be significant. Just wondering if anyone has done the calculation (I imagine who runs that operation has) .
@@gggbon doubt depreciation is a huge factor, that new holland bale stacked is from the 70s, and the 8130 is somewhere around 2005-2009. So at this point they’re likely high hours either way.
He’s talking about the depreciation on the fancy high horsepower tractors not the old bale wagons. Not depreciation from a tax stand point, depreciation as the actual value that’s the tractors are losing from the added hours
I miss those long hrs in a bail wagon...
I enjoyed watching farmville, thank you
I like the stack cruiser. Looks great!
They are neat machines 👍👍
Boy oh boy! All those busted bales make this a poor ad spot for those green balers.😁 I use a 1010 pull type NH Stackliner to pick up bales from an IH 47 baler. A great combo that makes quick work of the hay. Regards!
Not everyboy today knows how to keep the twister assemblies adjusted on John Deere. I grew up on Dad's three.
@@Snowtruckdriver It's unfortunate that so few know how to adjust twisters & knotters. There really isn't much to them. I think it's the assumed complexity that makes it difficult for some & lack of time or concern for others. Worn parts & poor adjustment can make any baler look bad & they are quite easy to keep after. Regards!
Thanks for the great video Jason!!! Takes me back. Little overkill on those balers!!😜👌👌🤣
Thank you for watching. Growing up in WNY this was a common sight. If you have allot of hay to cover several times a year at 1.4 mph it’s nice to have a comfortable ride. You are looking at $200,000 for a tractor that would be in the pto range to just run a baler. To me it makes sense to maximize 10 to 20 year old tractors that are paid for and can run in every season.
Just because I gotta say it... We ran a 766 on a New Holland 320 baler with a kicker wagon, faster than those green machines 😁😁 and because I'm a fair person we mostly used our 1066 black stripe but Red power just hits different no matter the numbers 😁😎
@@bigtractorpower 1.4 mph is really slow, why do they operate at such a low speed? I was thinking it had to do with the pickup head getting plugged from material being forcefully jammed into it at higher ground speeds, so by operating at this really slow speed, plugging up the baler is a non-issue, saving you from having to shut the baler down, getting out of the tractor, manually shoveling out the excess material causing the blockage with a pitchfork, getting back in the tractor seat, restarting the baler, then stopping it again and repeating the process if the blockage is still there and not fully cleared out all the way. I know on the larger square balers that make much bigger (and significantly heavier) square bales, there’s two options for busting blockages in the system, either hydraulically dropping the floor with a pair of large hydraulic cylinders and the blockage falls out via gravity, or forcing the pickup head to temporarily run backwards to spit the blockage back out the way it tried to go in.
@@countryboyakmc we had a 786 and a 4010 on new holland balers. Did fine in all conditions. I wonder when they’ll reach a $200,000 price tag!??😜😬😬🤣 Im
@@noahater5785 I'm biased but I can say we baled circles around our neighbor who had a John Deere. The Deere's made a better looking bale but didn't touch the speed of our New Hollands. My grandfather used to work on all brands of knotters back in the day and said it all had to do with the feed style.
Neat machine! Looks like a fun job running a hay stacker.
Stackers look slick. Sure beats loading & unloading by hand.
They are one of my all time favorite farm machines.
Great video Jason, Interesting to see that although the tractor has 200 more horsepower than the baler needs the baler is still gently rocking the tractor!
I had a John Deere 24T square baler, which is the same as J.D. 336 model. Any 50 horse power tractor is sufficient and more fuel efficient for getting the job done 😊
and Jason, you never mentioned the Deere with tandem balers working diligently in the background! So NewHollands are still working - wish we used these things more, in the UK. thnx for posting
Thanks for the great vidéo big tractor power
Thank you for watching. It’s a neat harvesting process.
@@bigtractorpower oh yes awesome process
Beautiful looking hay crop!
Very healthy crop.
my dad and i did 60 acres in Western Washington, we used a 76 Ford 1000 and a 3 pt sickle mower for cutting, pulled an IH wire tie baler powered by a gas engine, hand stacking on a small cart behind the baler. stacking five bales , then came through with forks on the tractor loader and loaded the hay onto a flatbed truck
He needs to feed that new baler. Those things are hungry!
Amazing seeing those 3 monsters baling!
Great Video, good to see the stack cruisers in action, thanks for sharing
They are my favorite farm machine of all time.
Nowadays, that is the only way I would help pick up square bails of hay. Great video.
Enjoyed the video. Really good looking hay!
That's a nice operation you got there.
My old man would have a fit seeing all those broken bales of hay laying in the feild. I used to have to ride on the baler and watch to see when the knotter didn't tie, then stop him so I could tie it myself.
Great vídeo Jason.
My dad started out in life in the early forties with a 1020 Farmall and an Ann Arbor baler, custom baling for local farmers. He told me he baled hay,straw,corn stalks and soy bean pummies which was the worst if you were riding on the baler
punching and tying.
Brilliant and proficient operation. Loved it.
Thank you for watching.
Great video. I have always loved watching the bale stackers. It may just be the video, but capacity on those balers seems to be lacking compared to competition...
Thanks for putting this together!
Capacity? I'm certainly not expert and most folk posting comments here are vastly more experienced than me, but that sure seems like those guys have a big, heavy crop of hay. I grew up on an average-to-small-sized farm in the Midwest and if we ever had a hay crop that good I don't remember it. We planted our most productive fields in cash crops like wheat or soybeans with some in corn for feed, while a few small hill-side acres of not-so-good clay soil were used for hay. Look how big those windrows are going into the baler and how fast the baler is spiting out bales, and how close they are in the field.
@@dB-hy6lh Agreed. Those are enormous windrows of material and it's a grass mix to boot which is a harder crop to process.
We dairyed in the 80's and baled with an IH 826 and a NH 315 baler. Milked 100 cows. 9 flat racks.
Great video! Thanks for sharing this with us.
Thank you for watching.
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Super amazein video. As alAways.
Have a super amazein 🌉night
Be safe on 🛣️ roads 🛣️
That bale stacker is really neat 👍👍
They are one of my favorite farm machines.
@@bigtractorpower looks like it’d be fun to drive it.
Excellent video, this is how they all should be
Man oh man those are some giant windrows, and they're not doubled either, you can tell by how close together they are, you could almost hop from bale to bale they're so close together.
Those 348 balers operate at 93 strokes per minute, and I counted them tying a bale about every 12 seconds, which is getting it done, do you happen to know what kind of hay that was, Timothy maybe?
New Holland has stuck with those stackers, pretty much having that market to themselves, and when you enjoy that luxury, you don't have to spend anything on R&D, they haven't been changed in decades, other than that black unpainted ABS nose, which I think is ugly, but I'm sure it saves them some money on each one.
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Stack hands work great on flat ground, get on a hill and bales slide on the table. They also help trim tree limbs back on farm lanes.
"Back in my day" our summer beer money came from riding the wagon and hand stacking. No one had these yet
Very efficient operation, enjoyed the video 👍. Regards from Down Under.
Thank you for watching. Always great to have viewers in Australia. 😁👍
I remember stacking bales till 10pm at night when I simply couldn't lift another - the worst was a batch of "heavy bales" from the edge of the fields !
Boy did I sleep at night!
Very true, hard work, but great exercise. I stacked bales behind the baler in tripods of 10.
I made good money that way, but was in good demand, as several farmers knew about me.
Some years I stacked close to 20,000 bales behind the baler.
We used to haul our hay by hand and the bale's would weight about 100 lbs a piece.😊
That is awesome hay production! I have never seen or heard of Stak Cruisers but their mechanical function is complex yet very smooth. It's stated that these small bales are 14 x 18, which I assume is the width x height measure and the length appears to be about 36 - 40 inches?
Very nice presentation! Thanks for leaving in the machine noises instead of music!
The best music is the sound of a diesel engine at work.
Happy birthday Pete. I left 55 a decade ago.
Those hay fields are smoother than my lawn....
It helps to be smooth when you are running at 5-7 mph picking up hay. That way you are not bumping around in the cab.
Impressive operation. I don’t have a farm or bale for anyone but it seems like all that I see around here are round bales. I live in the upstate of South Carolina.
That thing is awesome. I spent a lot of time on a hay wagon and up in the barn. This is way easier.
I recall cutting and bailing alfalfa at night because it was too hot during the day. We'd go to bed at 3 and wake up at 10 and work till dawn. It screwed up our sleep pattern but we got it done.
Good video yes we raise hay (30 acres) we switched yrs ago to 3x3 big bales an do all 30 acres in one day
This video is mind-boggling for a city boy. Very interesting