I often confuse red turn signal with breaks, especially when I am cycling. I truly believe that amber makes sense and helps to faster recognize intention of the driver.
You bring up a great point, if the science is correct, then it's something insurance companies should incentivize. You get Amber lights you pay less insurance.
Did that viewer have eye sight problems, just saying, amber helps me quickly distinguish between driver with bad tail lights and someone wanting to make a turn.
You can literally have the nicer look while still having amber signals. We have been using LEDs for years now. They don't need amber plastic to give them color. Just use clear plastic like what is already being used for the reverse lights, but with amber LEDs.
Exactly! This is what manufacturers today seem to still embarrassingly neglect. Now just to set the record straight, for a long time now most amber turn signals have switched from amber outer lenses to having an "amber" bulb where the amber tint is directly on the bulb itself. While this did mean manufacturers could use clear lenses on the outside, the thing is incandescent filaments can only emit a full spectrum color with a color temperature of however hot the filament is. Thus the bulb still has to be tinted to get amber out of it. Even if the tinted area is significantly smaller, it's still there and can leave an amber tinge inside clear lens even with the light off and still doesn't look ideal. The funny thing though is it seems many manufacturers who may have such complaints have neglected to realize that there are LEDs in the color amber and they're completely colorless unless lit unlike incandescent bulbs. Instead they all seem to just switch to red signals along with the switch to LEDs which is so stupid
I live in the Midlle East, a red turning signal mean you drive a totaled US Spec car and there a lot of probabilities that you are a really bad driver. I chose Amber. I feel ashamed when I drive a car with red turning signals, I don't even bother using turn signal....
In Europe accept rear red turn signal lights Swiss. Some states accepts red rear turn signals on old cars (simmilary to trafficators) acceptation), because rear red & front white turn signals was common before 1962 - 1972 years. Some states gave exceptions for North America cars for which is not existed alternative tail lamps with Amber area (typically Buick, Oldsmobile..), but now this exceptions are not granted, excluded vintage cars on special historically license plates. Another situation is with Amber front position lights & clearance lights. Some states, for example Iceland and Sweden, haven't problem with yellow front position lights and Amber is in yellow color spectrum. But most states not accepted other than white front position & clearance lights, excluded motorcycles. Eighter way, red rear turn signals and Amber front position & clearance lights are not common in Europe for very very long time and some drivers have difficulty understanding the correct signal. Problem in North America is strong automotive producers lobbing. One, with 50 cm2 area, red brake & turn signal lamp is easier to manufacture and cheaper than two, of course each with 50 cm2 light area, red and Amber lights. That's all problem.
European manufacturers swap out their amber turn signals for red ones because U.S. requirements mandate that a turn signal be of a minimum size, which is not required in Europe. As a result of the cars being initially designed for the European market, the original design often has a turn signal that is too small for North American regulations. Instead of redesigning the taillights, they simply rewire them so that the brake light flashes together with the smaller turn signal, creating a larger overall turn signal.
They wouldn't have that problem if they didn't make the turn signal area so small in the first place. Still though the current minimum size requirements in US/Canada are bullshit
@@Hampstead343 I guess but IMO the minimum size requirement is more of a minimum issue compared to red turn signals. Pun Intended. Maybe I'm just from the US but I can potentially see manufacturers getting lazier with taillights without minimum size requirements
Cool story. Feel free to return to whatever communist country you came from then. In the US we like choice and freedom baby! Proud immigrant and supporter of RED turn signals!
As more manufacturers are moving to LED lights, these should become programmable. Clear lenses with coloured LED lights. In Australia turn signals must be amber (front/rear), and cars imported from the US have red rear turn signals changed to amber for the market.
Amber lenses add a splash of color, contrast and life to the rear of a car. AND they are safer - by law in Europe. Contrast the Tesla HIDEOUS, dark, amorphous rear light assemblies
I would say it's an utter nonsense if amber turn signal deteriorate! Worldwide have no problem with that plus nowdays cars have using clear lens with amber bulb/LED.
Utter nonsense by US regulations for minimum 50cm2 surface area for signal... I don't care the minimum surface area as long the amber rear signal is bright enough (most important)...
Hilarious to see many people would prefer the "looks" instead of the safety... smh... To my honest opinion, red looks terrible and very inconsistent. If you go for red turn signals in the back then you should go for halogen or white front turn signals as well to make it at least uniform hahaha! And Amber can definitely look wayyy cooler than those red turn signals. Look at the newest cars these days like Audi, bmw, mercedes etc.
@@exoticcar5482 That's a weak excuse. They do that because that's what the US want, not because Germany can. It would be much better economically for german car makers to have less differences within the models.
@@gerrevandermeer7500 Couldn't agree more. While some people have said that the reason for these companies doing red turn signals in America has to do with the minimum size requirements not present in European taillight standards, I have and still continue to see lots of taillight designs from foreign automakers that have left ample space to include an amber turn signal big enough to satisfy these requirements and even have it in place, clear lens in front and all, yet instead they either put red LEDs behind it instead, use it as the reverse light, or flat out not even use it at all and instead flash the brake light. The design may literally be right there yet the function is killed off. It's not even down to the looks. Seems at this point people are so stupid that they actually like shared function brake light/turn signals down to the function. And our shitty government refuses decade after decade to address it. And of course we can't forget that in the past many of these brands used to religiously bring amber turn signals to America even when all domestic brands still used red turn signals. Seems ad though when they began to switch to LEDs, foreign carmakers started abusing the lack of turn signal regulation worse than ever before. It's like they think the instant on feature LEDs offer makes up for the shortcomings of red and combined turn signals. While I will say that the transition to LED is a great thing and needs to be happening (and is actually happening far too slowly across the industry), it still does not make up for the lack of proper turn signal setup and color because that's a whole separate issue from the light technology. What I was hoping to see when I first saw LED brake lights pop up in the mid 2000s is that they would make the amber turn signal LED eventually as well, an idea which at the time you'd think carmakers would be stoked about. Even BMW's higher trim 3 series coupe models from 2003-2006 had red and amber LED lights in the rear. I thought as LEDs dropped in price, carmakers would see it as an opportunity to make better, brighter, more reliable, and even sleeker looking amber turn signals but sadly damn could I have not been more wrong. Instead many are either just leaving the amber turn signal halogen or worse yet not using it or just getting rid of it altogether and flashing the brake lights instead. Even more recently I have seem it get even more asinine where the car does have amber turn signals in the rear but they function as switchback dual color lights and switch to amber from red when the turn signal is on, meaning you still lose a brake light anyway. By the mid 2010s, a car including a bright, clear, separate amber LED turn signal in the rear taillight should NOT be much to ask for anymore
@@exoticcar5482 That's a proper explanation! Love it, we're on the same page I see💪 man I can't wait for the day to see America switch to European traffic standards regarding car lights at least. Not that I live there but it still makes me a bit scared to drive there when ever I plan to go there😳 Not yo generalize or what so ever but I hear and see that drivers in the US are more aggressive as well aren't they? Like often more inpatient drivers, taking over on both sides. I mean, the lack of traffic rules makes people more and more frustrated don't they? I mean, at least I would. But that's a different topic :P I mean, traffic with more and more rules can make it more difficult and confusing as well sometimes here in europe. Especially The Netherlands. But seriously the tarmac is like heaven on earth. We truly have overall the best tarmac in the whole world. But hey, we pay taxes for that of course. Oh man, only can say lot's of pro's and conn's.
i am agree with you Stupid design red turn signal and worst is shared with brake light Car company change law because they can made cheeper car and dont cost them another bulb and wiring You should see first that front car bilnker on or braking for few imprtant secend If hazard on and braking in car that without third brake light imposible. In some place its illegal using hazard when driving bcause car companis in usa are jerk. God konw how many people killed or injured or how many accsident occurre in years till now.
I often confuse red turn signal with breaks, especially when I am cycling. I truly believe that amber makes sense and helps to faster recognize intention of the driver.
You bring up a great point, if the science is correct, then it's something insurance companies should incentivize. You get Amber lights you pay less insurance.
I love amber turn signals.
Did that viewer have eye sight problems, just saying, amber helps me quickly distinguish between driver with bad tail lights and someone wanting to make a turn.
You can literally have the nicer look while still having amber signals. We have been using LEDs for years now. They don't need amber plastic to give them color. Just use clear plastic like what is already being used for the reverse lights, but with amber LEDs.
Exactly! This is what manufacturers today seem to still embarrassingly neglect. Now just to set the record straight, for a long time now most amber turn signals have switched from amber outer lenses to having an "amber" bulb where the amber tint is directly on the bulb itself. While this did mean manufacturers could use clear lenses on the outside, the thing is incandescent filaments can only emit a full spectrum color with a color temperature of however hot the filament is. Thus the bulb still has to be tinted to get amber out of it. Even if the tinted area is significantly smaller, it's still there and can leave an amber tinge inside clear lens even with the light off and still doesn't look ideal. The funny thing though is it seems many manufacturers who may have such complaints have neglected to realize that there are LEDs in the color amber and they're completely colorless unless lit unlike incandescent bulbs. Instead they all seem to just switch to red signals along with the switch to LEDs which is so stupid
One of my criteria for purchasing a car is that it has amber rear turn signals.
I live in the Midlle East, a red turning signal mean you drive a totaled US Spec car and there a lot of probabilities that you are a really bad driver. I chose Amber. I feel ashamed when I drive a car with red turning signals, I don't even bother using turn signal....
In Europe accept rear red turn signal lights Swiss. Some states accepts red rear turn signals on old cars (simmilary to trafficators) acceptation), because rear red & front white turn signals was common before 1962 - 1972 years.
Some states gave exceptions for North America cars for which is not existed alternative tail lamps with Amber area (typically Buick, Oldsmobile..), but now this exceptions are not granted, excluded vintage cars on special historically license plates.
Another situation is with Amber front position lights & clearance lights. Some states, for example Iceland and Sweden, haven't problem with yellow front position lights and Amber is in yellow color spectrum. But most states not accepted other than white front position & clearance lights, excluded motorcycles.
Eighter way, red rear turn signals and Amber front position & clearance lights are not common in Europe for very very long time and some drivers have difficulty understanding the correct signal.
Problem in North America is strong automotive producers lobbing. One, with 50 cm2 area, red brake & turn signal lamp is easier to manufacture and cheaper than two, of course each with 50 cm2 light area, red and Amber lights. That's all problem.
Here in Finland all US exported cars can have red turn signals, but here as new sold cars must have amber.
European manufacturers swap out their amber turn signals for red ones because U.S. requirements mandate that a turn signal be of a minimum size, which is not required in Europe. As a result of the cars being initially designed for the European market, the original design often has a turn signal that is too small for North American regulations. Instead of redesigning the taillights, they simply rewire them so that the brake light flashes together with the smaller turn signal, creating a larger overall turn signal.
They wouldn't have that problem if they didn't make the turn signal area so small in the first place. Still though the current minimum size requirements in US/Canada are bullshit
Send a petition to Heidi King (NHTSA's admin), she has to remove the EPLLA requirement NOW!!!
@@Hampstead343 More importantly, she should take out the regulations that allow red turn signals in the first place....
NNNNOOOOWWWW!!!!!!
@@exoticcar5482 Oh yes!! But banning red turn signals will have to come with the EPLLA out.
@@Hampstead343 I guess but IMO the minimum size requirement is more of a minimum issue compared to red turn signals. Pun Intended. Maybe I'm just from the US but I can potentially see manufacturers getting lazier with taillights without minimum size requirements
When i switched to led turn signals i thought about this and i chose amber for better contrast.
Red light + amber led smd bulbs. The best compromise
Red turn signals is synonymous with the idiocy of the US. (ive lived her my whole 50 year life)
they should use both!
Cool story. Feel free to return to whatever communist country you came from then. In the US we like choice and freedom baby! Proud immigrant and supporter of RED turn signals!
As more manufacturers are moving to LED lights, these should become programmable. Clear lenses with coloured LED lights.
In Australia turn signals must be amber (front/rear), and cars imported from the US have red rear turn signals changed to amber for the market.
how do they change to Amber in Australia ?
Amber lenses add a splash of color, contrast and life to the rear of a car. AND they are safer - by law in Europe.
Contrast the Tesla HIDEOUS, dark, amorphous rear light assemblies
I would say it's an utter nonsense if amber turn signal deteriorate! Worldwide have no problem with that plus nowdays cars have using clear lens with amber bulb/LED.
@@svenhvr *amber turn signals reduce ambiguity*
Also, amber turn signals are still bright enough to be seen from a distance.
@@svenhvr mature
Also, unlike tinted incandescent bulbs, LEDs never lose their color over time
Utter nonsense by US regulations for minimum 50cm2 surface area for signal... I don't care the minimum surface area as long the amber rear signal is bright enough (most important)...
Tailight lens should be clear. Color of lamp red or amber works for me.
At that point it should just be amber as there's no style compromise, especially with LEDs
So true!
Hilarious to see many people would prefer the "looks" instead of the safety... smh...
To my honest opinion, red looks terrible and very inconsistent. If you go for red turn signals in the back then you should go for halogen or white front turn signals as well to make it at least uniform hahaha! And Amber can definitely look wayyy cooler than those red turn signals. Look at the newest cars these days like Audi, bmw, mercedes etc.
Yet those German makes bring red turn signals to the US
@@exoticcar5482 That's a weak excuse. They do that because that's what the US want, not because Germany can. It would be much better economically for german car makers to have less differences within the models.
@@gerrevandermeer7500 Couldn't agree more. While some people have said that the reason for these companies doing red turn signals in America has to do with the minimum size requirements not present in European taillight standards, I have and still continue to see lots of taillight designs from foreign automakers that have left ample space to include an amber turn signal big enough to satisfy these requirements and even have it in place, clear lens in front and all, yet instead they either put red LEDs behind it instead, use it as the reverse light, or flat out not even use it at all and instead flash the brake light. The design may literally be right there yet the function is killed off. It's not even down to the looks. Seems at this point people are so stupid that they actually like shared function brake light/turn signals down to the function. And our shitty government refuses decade after decade to address it. And of course we can't forget that in the past many of these brands used to religiously bring amber turn signals to America even when all domestic brands still used red turn signals. Seems ad though when they began to switch to LEDs, foreign carmakers started abusing the lack of turn signal regulation worse than ever before. It's like they think the instant on feature LEDs offer makes up for the shortcomings of red and combined turn signals. While I will say that the transition to LED is a great thing and needs to be happening (and is actually happening far too slowly across the industry), it still does not make up for the lack of proper turn signal setup and color because that's a whole separate issue from the light technology. What I was hoping to see when I first saw LED brake lights pop up in the mid 2000s is that they would make the amber turn signal LED eventually as well, an idea which at the time you'd think carmakers would be stoked about. Even BMW's higher trim 3 series coupe models from 2003-2006 had red and amber LED lights in the rear. I thought as LEDs dropped in price, carmakers would see it as an opportunity to make better, brighter, more reliable, and even sleeker looking amber turn signals but sadly damn could I have not been more wrong. Instead many are either just leaving the amber turn signal halogen or worse yet not using it or just getting rid of it altogether and flashing the brake lights instead. Even more recently I have seem it get even more asinine where the car does have amber turn signals in the rear but they function as switchback dual color lights and switch to amber from red when the turn signal is on, meaning you still lose a brake light anyway. By the mid 2010s, a car including a bright, clear, separate amber LED turn signal in the rear taillight should NOT be much to ask for anymore
@@exoticcar5482 That's a proper explanation! Love it, we're on the same page I see💪 man I can't wait for the day to see America switch to European traffic standards regarding car lights at least. Not that I live there but it still makes me a bit scared to drive there when ever I plan to go there😳 Not yo generalize or what so ever but I hear and see that drivers in the US are more aggressive as well aren't they? Like often more inpatient drivers, taking over on both sides. I mean, the lack of traffic rules makes people more and more frustrated don't they? I mean, at least I would. But that's a different topic :P
I mean, traffic with more and more rules can make it more difficult and confusing as well sometimes here in europe. Especially The Netherlands. But seriously the tarmac is like heaven on earth. We truly have overall the best tarmac in the whole world. But hey, we pay taxes for that of course. Oh man, only can say lot's of pro's and conn's.
i am agree with you
Stupid design red turn signal and worst is shared with brake light
Car company change law because they can made cheeper car and dont cost them another bulb and wiring
You should see first that front car bilnker on or braking for few imprtant secend
If hazard on and braking in car that without third brake light imposible.
In some place its illegal using hazard when driving bcause car companis in usa are jerk.
God konw how many people killed or injured or how many accsident occurre in years till now.
Maybe more drivers should just back off.
This isn't always exactly an option in multi lane situations
So, what one LOOKS cooler?
...
Guess ill go with red
Actually it looks better of it was just made clear
@@exoticcar5482 beauty is held in the eye of the beholder
Red FTW
I prefer the red turn signal and I'm from the UK
love the red ones!!! amber turn signal look crapy..
That's no problem because amber LED turn signals look completely colorless unless lit
Exactly. These 🤡 complaining and moaning because they hate red turn signals are so clueless. They probably live in their parents basement.
Red signals on motorcycles are much better!