I was drawn to ZZZ specifically because it doesn't have an open world where I have to spend countless hours exploring to uncover all the hidden stuff. I'm an adult working 5 days a week, I'm happy to have a new chapter every 2-3 weeks to play in the weekend. And once I'm done i really don't mind just logging in for 15-20 mins a day burning the stamina to build up items for the next banner, it's actually working pretty well. It's's very reminiscent of Monster Hunter, which was fundamentally, a game that let's you do things at your pace and doesn't rush you to say, hey this thing happens on this week, after that, you'll miss it etc etc, other than limited banners
@@ErdingerLi I loved that you mentioned Monster Hunter cuz that's exactly what I was feeling about ZZZ. Not everyone has time and this game respects that.
I tried Genshin. But never stuck with it. The world is too big for me and I'm a working man with 12 hr shifts 5 days a week. My mother has Cancer, we have bills to pay, and I will never have enough time to "explore" the vast world of Genshin just to get pulls. ZZZ is just right for me. Small, well crafted locations, combat all around, and doesn't overstay its welcome. Not everyone can be a streamer, a youtuber, or even play games 24/7. If ZZZ needs something to help it, it's not a vast open-world, imo. Edit: Thanks for the support guys. I never intended to garner attention by bringing up my mother's medical situation but thank you all nonetheless! I just wanted to stress the point that someone with a situation like mine could never play Genshin or other open-world games as much as the next gamer. Time isn't something everyone has, basically.
That was my problem with wuwa. Coming from someone whos really only stuck with hsr and zzz. The time investment was too much for me game looked and is cool. But it felt like i was working a job. Zzz strikes the perfect balance for me . When it comes to respecting my time.
I'm personally ok with them not turning ZZZ into another open world Genshin. The focus on the battling is what keeps me so engaged. Being able to go in, use up my stamina for the day, then leave so I have time for something else is a blessing since I'm also working full-time. I understand your point of view and I can see younger audiences getting bored because there's nothing to do after completing everything. But also it would give them time to play other Hoyo games that do require all of that extra time. So there are some pros and cons to how the system works.
@@KingJellalTV If anything, I think ZZZ found its audience. People with no time in their busy schedules or could never allocate no more than 30 mins gaming daily.
I guess the idea is that they want growth, not just profit so if it's one thing to have an audience that's happy, but they want something like an open world to pull in people who wouldn't be playing gachas and bring them.
There's nothing to do only if you don't fiddle around or explore more or just stop and smell the flowers. I go around Lumina Square every day but I'm not tired of it yet because there's different people going around and something happening sometimes
ZZZ is the first gacha game that has kept me engaged. I tried Genshin and HSR (in mobile) but only ZZZ managed to keep me coming back to the game. One of the reasons I enjoy ZZZ is that it suits my casual playstyle. I can play for just 10 minutes a day during the week and dedicate over an hour once a week without feeling like I'm falling behind. Love the characters, the bangboos and the gameplay flashiness too. Unfortunately for the game. It faced a lot of negative youtube coverage at launch, which discouraged many players from giving it a try.
@@rayok_zedThe TV gameplay wasn't good for streaming so content creators all over different platforms cried about it, then the playerbase followed suit and hated on it. Forcing hyv to basically remove it from all story related chapters.
I think something that can't be understated is the community and target audience. I really, really DON'T want ZZZ to be flooded with younger players more typical of Genshin just in pursuit of more players - rife with complainers, toxic shippers and every manner of maladjusted terminally online behaviour under the sun - a smaller but healthy community is miles better than a saturated, toxic one. ZZZ being popular with working adults too busy touching grass to beef on Twitter or Reddit is one of its biggest strengths right now.
I agree. This is why I don't interact with the genshin community because of the younger audience and their problematic behavior. And my God the shipping is like battlefield down there. For some reason, people hate straight ships and favor guy-on-guy/girl-on-girl ships.
As a youngster myself (15) ZZZ is just the right game for me. i don't have a lot of time so i can play max 2 hours daily and its just perfect when it comes to time menagement. So far, the most fun game i ever played on my crappy laptop
zzz kinda gatekeeps itself because of the fanservice filtering out the toxic ones whether you like the fanservice or dont care, it's a good thing cause it keeps people in check
I personally think zzz is heading away from there other games on purpose so it can establish itself as it's own thing and not be conpared as often. I think this is great because things people expect in hoyos other games may not happen and that's fine because it clearly does things differently and better, at least for me. I think this is a reason why a lot of people seem to have disregarded it because it's not following the norm but I don't want zzz to be normal, i want it to be unique, goofy, and serious all at the same time which they're doing a great job at. Overall i think zzz easily has the potential to become their best game if they keep going strong.
"Into that Pale Wasteland" as Miyabi's event and further focus on Section 6 - is actually possibly ZZZ trying to seek and test their players with taking a bigger world to explore. I would love to hear your interesting comments about it
I rather have them craft a nice enviroment than half bake an events like that. If TV allowed them to focus on polishing certain aspects of the game, I hope shift to appeal the audience won't impact the overall quality.
i really liked that event and the melinoe hollow i hope that we get something like that but bigger in the future what i think would be even nicer if it really was just a big area to explore using ur agent and instead of going into missions one by one you can do missions once you encounter them and also multiple missions in one sitting if you want to instead of being booted out after every mission also i hope we get a hollow like melinoe sometime again because i really liked the visual appearance of it
With the way it was set up I did think there might be some potential for procedural generation and a kind of roguelike experience but it was all just pretty simple and maybe dragged on a little too long. It was fun sure and maybe they were trying it out before attempting to introduce a procedurally generated mode but I guess we will see.
I personally didn't find most of the event story or dialogue to be interesting. I remember them trying to have character moments, but they felt shoehorned in alongside an unnecessary amount of exposition. I hope that if this was meant to be an experiment, they really rethink how they tell event stories.
This is an issue that hasn't been very apparent to me because I'm a fairly busy person so the low time investment always seemed like a plus to me. Even before i was as busy as i am today, ZZZ was my second game alongside something else which i could play for longer so the issue never really came up. I'm personally fine with ZZZ not feeling like much if a "main game" but i do understand your point and it's a fair observation
ZZZ just reminds me of Hoyo's older game Honkai Impact 3rd. Level based combat gameplay with no "true" open world and every patch there seems to be a completely different gameplay event to keep things fresh alongside the normal content releases. Example being the bangboo v ethereal tower defense. Stuff like that always happens in Hi3rd to this day. They might just take that route and I don't mind it.
You know what I think the casual draw of ZZZ could be after beating the main content each week? Minigames. They want to make New Eridu a big alive city to explore, so why not go the Yakuza/Like a Dragon route and fill that city with activities to do? Minigames to play, a business management minigame to do in the background to maintain your proxy cover. Just fun silly stuff like that. The minigames in Yakuza are so good they're arguably the real main show with the games. Currently all we have in terms of minigames are the three arcade games in Godfinger. We did have the Bangboo tower defense mode but since it was an event it's gone, but that could be turned into a permanent mode because it was really enjoyable, and would give a reason to keep going back to Reverb Arena. They could add motorcycle driving trials with the Sons of Calydon to give a reason to keep going back to Blazewood. They could add a mystery game with the PubSec agents to give a reason to go to the police station they hardly did anything with. Hell Genshin Impact has a whole TCG minigame in it, and while it's not very good, that's an avenue ZZZ could go in.
Agreed. A change of artstyle for these minigames would be cool too - imagine a game mode where you control the Agents in those distinct chibis instead.
I like these suggestions. I think they should be a little more generous with rewards for the permanent game content. At least like constant dennies and a few A rank drive discs. Something that doesn't need to burn stamina. At least let's us have a reason to keep rolling for really good discs with sub stats
Came for combat and the unique aesthetic but stayed for the storytelling/music! Other gachas take note, this last Miyabi quest was like a MOVIE! It was so well done, and honestly put every other gachas cutscenes/story to shame. It was not filled with a bunch of yapping, it hit the sweet spot for duration like it ended right on time, it felt concise. They really have something special here
Not when they only make the boss a punching bag w HP, if they going to make multiplayer mode then they better make bosses have better mechanic and difficulty… n not just HP increase like HSR lol
I think multiplayer conflicts with the core of zzz’s mechanics because chain attacks wouldn’t work, anomaly characters would become overpowered and position buffs would be weird,
The only thing I think could work would be more stand alone missions like the Into That Pale Wasteland event. It seems super fun to me and something they could grow more game play. Maybe each faction gets some kind of side mission outside of the story?
Something that allows you to explore the world in more detail WITHOUT being open world could be great yeah. That or exploring different aesthetics beyond the default urban one. Arknights often has roguelike events, one of them had a very evocative gothic tone, like delving into a mysterious ancient dungeon.
What about the Arcade? The side missions? the Sage in a Barrel side missions? Increasing Trust with your Agents? The Agent storylines? - I think there is already plenty for casual gaming
Oh good, someone else sees this too. I genuinely feel that character events are a big part of the experience. Not to mention just engaging in the world with the random events. It's not insanely time consuming, but it's there. I think the game isn't necessarily *trying* to be this giant timesink that open world games can end up being. I kind of love it for that, to be honest.
As an older gamer, I'm glad that there just enough game play per day for 20-60 mins. I've had to drastically cut back on Genshin playtime because of responsibilities to the point where I try to cram all the quests and events into 1-2 days a week.
indeed. Both HSR and ZZZ allows to do stuff once a week. Genshin technically improves daily grind, but it's still not user friendly. But core gameplay is still best in Genshin. You don't get as much freedom in rest. It's just maps are WAY too big and they decided to force players to grind newly released characters for better traversal. Cheap move.
Nah, ZZZ is already hoyo's best game imo. I know there's still problems with the game but the devs have proven how far they're willing to go to make thus game a special one. and that alone to me is truly amazing.
really dumb claim. both HSR and Genshin had better story. Genshin better gameplay. Both HSR and ZZZ are user friendly. ZZZ has better vibe but devs are really lost in how to develop the game.
@@ramsoofkyo9047 The irony of your attempt to call out something, when your take is even worse, is hilarious. And sad. Only Genshin has had a better main narrative so far, and those were for Sumeru and Fontaine. Star Rail hasn't had a story that's reached the same level of quality as Genshin or ZZZ, Penacony was close but multiple things ended up bringing the story down significantly, one of the primary ones being Firefly herself. ZZZ's current story has frankly, been the best main story writing we've had since early HI3. Genshin's gameplay is only good if you don't enjoy thinking. Genshin gameplay compared to ZZZ gameplay is the equivalent of attempting to code a game, compared to trying to code a sapient AI. Genshin's gameplay falls off quickly, even in Spiral Abyss. ZZZ's gameplay actually requires a modicum of thought behind what you do, especially with how much more detailed each character is. And are you actually complaining about the game being better and having more QoL? Go play an MMO if you want a terrible player experience, I'm sure it'll satisfy your shitty opinions and terrible tastes.
Great video! I agree, Hoyoverse won’t let Zenless fail. I think if anything, it will be the game that succeeds the most, due to how much invest they put into this gacha over the others. We will have to see what they come up with next
Since zzz is using decibels and discs drives meaning sound and music, maybe there will be some kind of music related game mode. Of course people cannot forget the arcade game mode which is made for mobile game so they can add more arcade mobile game for the casual.
I'm glad it's not an open world game. Sorry but open world backfires for me 80% of the time. Yes, I have more to do but what I can do is mostly boring and at the same time wastes all the resources that could have been put into quality content. Honkai Impact gets by without all the pointless stuffing and is still the best Hoyo game in my opinion.
ZZZ feels a lot like Hi3- This, combined with the amazing Y2K art style, brilliantly written characters and great music made me completely fall in love with it. The game is starting to do *really* well and the common consensus right now seems to be that it is a great game period; Haven’t seen *nearly* as many haters as there were at the beginning. People forget that HSR wasn’t nearly as big as it is now when it was still on 1.4. Looking at how huge 1.4 was - just imagine what we will get for 2.0. The ZZZ team has already proven to be immensely capable and talented devs so I am optimistic about its future. Also Pulchra was planned to be playable from the beginning lol
On the "brilliantly written" characters front, I got one gripe, I would think Zhu Yuan would you know, have a tiny bit of a reaction to the guy whom she looked up to as a kid and is the reason why she decided to become a cop, turning out to be some crazy cult member. Zhu Yuan not really anything to say that front made her come across as a bit wooden as a character.
the A-Rank situation is the most worrying thing for me. i think speaking on behalf of most people, we don't care if half of the new S-Ranks are A-Ranks with good constelation/cinema
I don't get it most A Ranks are good to use even Ban is played as DPS in Endless Tower or C6 Soukaku being able to solo 3 Star clear Marionette Boss in Deadly Assault try to do anything like that in HSR endgame it ain't possible even with a full 4 Star Team
They're going in the right direction with the lost void. Having roguelike modes fits the game perfectly. They also listened to the criticism (that I also wrote in the feedback) that their endgame modes need more and steady rewards over each patch, not just weekly reset content that is done within a couple runs on the first day of reset, even for casuals. What I'm personally looking for is something like an endless tower mode (including lore and cutscenes) that includes (somewhat normalized so no S Rank M6 whale shenanigans) multiplayer and ongoing short stories.
Been chilling between endgame resets by doing the friendship stuff with all thr characters. Each of them have polychromes and a small amount of materials if you compelte all 10 'tasks.' 10 tasks per character piles up, plus you get to walk around and just chill to see how characters react to stuff in the world. 🥰
I play all 3 of their main games, no HI3, and I have played them since launch. ZZZ is absolutely their best game and by a decent margin. Story, animation, combat, character design, it is the game that I enjoy most, and I enjoy more than Wuthering Waves. I'm excited to see where the ZZZ dev team takes this game, because they are cooking. PS. Anyone who plays one gacha and expects it to keep them as occupied as say WoW, Warframe, D2, etc you're crazy 😂. Gacha games are good on the side or in a rotation. I play them in a rotation, and on top of work, and exercising I always have something to do if I feel like playing and I am never fully caught up likd I was in early Genshin.
To be honest I enjoy the fact that after the story I can just log in, do a few events and task and log off. I would like to see more skins, bigger maps like Lumina Square and more things to do within the maps other than interacting with NPCs. But I really don’t need the game to make me stay more time.
@@ramsoofkyo9047 It's not a recolor I don't know why you guys keep spreading misinformation just use 10 seconds of your life and actually compare both versions they changed more than enough lmao
The thing is for me, the side quests, agent interactions, AND on top of that all the limited events are more than enough, and it’s only gonna get better
I came to ZZZ because of the combat and the beautiful Jet Set Radio esque style. I stayed for every update, better characters, better stories, and even after I'm done with all the content every day/week I achievement hunt and 100% everything I haven't gotten yet. I LOVE this game so much.
I would like to see them try to make one hollow a semi open world instead of a corridor combat. They could make it some sort of extraction game mode where you enter, try to get as many whatevers as you can and go to designated exit points. That could be a good "I'm done with dailies/weeklies, I can do this now" thing. The difference between doing this and doing hollow zero is that you do get the exploration an open world provides and if they do it right they could make the hollow procedural so it doesn't feel stale. Bloodborne is a 10 year old game and the chalice dungeons are still a great blueprint of how to do a lot with a little, giving dozens (hundreds even) of hours if you want do do them.
A game mode dedicated to exploring a Hollow indepth sounds amazing yeah. And every week or month they can shuffle the map around and it's easily explainable as the Hollow internally changing itself.
I think what ZZZ should expand on is the slice of life stuff. Let us manage the shop and decorations in detail. Let us go about as the agents and live their lives a bit. Explore their individual home areas. I still want to see what Victoria Housekeeping looks like. It would be nice to expand parts of the cities and areas to give us more space to explore while keeping it contained. Living everyday lives doing things that can net rewards for the combat part. I could enjoy a monthly or weekly treasure hunt where you go about collecting clues to unlock a bigger reward. Definitely various outfits for our agents unlockable via quests and rewards and some gacha... despite me hating the gacha part.
I was in a place where I felt the end game was way too difficult and was really stressing me, but after putting in a lot of effort and changing lineups (or letting Shiyu reset) OR PULLING MIYABI, I was finally able to at least clear all the End game content that gives Polychrome (Which is what was stressing to begin with). I suck at this game so If I can get 6 stars in Deadly Assault, 7 S-ranks in Shiyu Critical, and make it to floor 19 in the Tower, then it's not too difficult after all.
6:21 Given that ZZZ clearly derives inspiration from games like Persona, similar social sim gameplay seems like a no-brainer to me. Also, if you haven't already, do yourself a favour and try out Persona 5. Though given how long the game is, you might end up turning into a Persona channel.
I agree they don't need a full open world for the game, but i wouldn't mind having explorable randomized Hollows to dive into whenever; maybe as a free option to gather resources outside of the HIA. Into the Pale Wasteland feels like a small step towards this.
I have a suggestion....... What abt community made mini games. For example- The overlords ride: A racing mini game where u can compete with other, make your own tracks and play on tracks made by others.(Kinda the like the dungen events from genshin). They can also add new bikes and costomisations to unlock/buy(not a good Idea but still possible). Another idea, CO-OP during combat and overworld(the amount of random shit that can become entertaining when u are with a bunch of your homies is unreal) Final idea, Some sort of daily routine that involves new interactions with characters and npc's.Not a dating sim but something more close to a animal crossing vibe(i personally don't think that this idea will work but who knows, animal crossing players are basically cultists and I want no smoke with them) If nothing els just add a fuck ton of henati..... liks in-game hentai.........I am not a proud of this idea. I need to take a nap.....
leaks show there's an upcoming Fall Guys mode using the Bangboo platformer module. I suspect the Bangboo stuff will probably expand into a variety of new game modes eventually. I wouldn't even put it past them to make an entire Zelda-like adventure game with the Bangboo module at some point.
TBH, I also like the current game model. A game in which you can focus on quick combat sessions and it doesn't consume tons of hours to discover everything. I'm also a working adult man and I don't have a lot of time to spend every single day on a video game. 10 years ago it I would probably think differently ;)
As I looked for average viewer stats for endgame modes guides from yt studio the average auditory currently for them is 25-35, can't really tell if it is a good or bad for gacha sales, but hoyo definetely cooked product for new players in terms of target audience
They have the bones of something like this with the current “Pale Wasteland” event. They could even maybe move into a Dynasty Warriors/Hyrule Warriors route which would be interesting.
This was the concern I was suggesting in their survey for quite some time now, glad someone else is addressing this. I love every grain of ZZZ, so much that I am begging for more endgame contents to keep us engaged. Although, something tells me that Devs are already putting it into action (slowly but surely)- starting with the endless tower.
A sonic adventure style Chao-garden but with Bangboo would be super cool, where you raise, modify, play with and manage Bangboos that you can then use in different ways in minigames and other aspects of the game. Hell you could even implement an AFK style minigame where you then send those Bangboo out on missions and they'll farm mats and resources for you. Also, one the ZZZs biggest strengths is the worldbuilding and storytelling - that's whats hooking me more than anything. If they can implement shorter, slice-of-life story quests, I'd be sooo happy. Doesn't have to be anything special. In fact, it could be super mundane and consist of mostly fetch quests - as long as there are cute little stories told. I want to learn more about the world, the people, the history.
they definitely have two clear routes to follow: The combat route, with exiting combat mechanics and complex combos, and also the Persona route, Hang out with your characters, and go on dates and walk around and stuff, they are on their way to a homerun with that one.
I think the mission I'm thinking of was called, 'The Prophecy', or something like that; Having that as an explorable, 3D, 'semi-open world' Bangboo thing, and doing others like it could be fun.
the thing people refused to understand is that there's a good half of the community who loves TV mode. The other half who hates it decided to speak louder in which case, the developers were reluctant to let go of the feature. It would be time consuming if they decide to cater to both sides, but commendable enough for both tv mode lovers and haters to enjoy the game.
I'm a new player, and the main problem of this game is the *energy system* to max out the characters, I have to wait days or weeks to have a maxed-out character, not because it's difficult, but because you are obliged to wait, and the *lack of ways to get pulls* , once you finish the story mode and the 2 passes that you have to level up to 80 or 90, then there is no way to get more pulls... *It feels like I want to play more, but I can't because the game doesn't want me to lol.*
That's kind of the tradeoff with the game still being so relatively new. I personally like that after I've finished the main content I literally just log in for 10 minutes, get all my daily stuff done, and maybe mess around with rotations with characters I own, and go play something else that will most likely take my time up. I used to play HSR but the combat in ZZZ is way too fun for me to care for that game anymore. The game isn't meant to take up all your time and it's more of a marathon for building characters than a sprint - funny enough ZZZ is the only of the main three hoyo games that actually DOES respect your time - for a game that doesn't have auto-fight (*cough* HSR) I appreciate that I don't have to spend that much time doing menial things and still feel engaged when I do need to do them. Edit: also for the battle pass they have if you're just doing daily stuff and completing the events as they come you hit 60 (max) within like a week or two. It's pretty laid-back comparatively to other ones I've seen.
TV mode was actually pretty innovative, but execution left a lot to be desired. I did enjoy it to an extent because it felt very retro and functional. However at times the scripted sequences dragged on and it ended up feeling more like a chore. That said I do hope they can find better ways of utilizing it because it really was a nice concept. It's a break from the high octane fights in the higher level content.
I really want multiplayer to be added back to this game, it could be a fun endgame thingy, like imagine you're doing the roguelike lost void gamemode with friends, that would be hella cool
5:19 you should try piper burnice lucy team vs pompey in that mode cause it is better than jane one. Pompey has only fire weakness and piper buffs her team dmg by 18% so burnice and lucy c6 (which is procked beautifully by piper) deals more fire dmg.
judging from his previous video…I doubt he even know how to play piper properly. He don’t even know piper is supposed to maintain at full stack all time.
Lack of the TV mode makes the battles much less special for me. Nowadays it's all battles, battles, battles, puzzles only in events, and even them very few of them are actually hard enough to be considered puzzles in my eyes. The rays and stuff in Melinoe hollow from the currently ongoing event are just BUTTONS (and pretty buggy at that lol). On the otehr hand, combat is itself a puzzle, a strategizing one. What characters to use, how to use them, etc. But still, I kind of liked some of the hardest puzzles I've seen in the TV mode, seeing it replaced with A-to-B-to-C is sad. Kind of triggering my inner toxic thoughts.
i feel like with the new roguelike mode where you can get to build characters in different ways with different abilities, that problem will kinda fade they just need more charaters available for it and more bosses and it would make replaying the mode just a ton of fun
i was about to quit ZZZ because im already playing 4 gachas but before i was about to quit, i spent all the pulls i saved and got Ellen very early so i decided to stay and now it's my favorite gacha to play. when i discovered Hollow Zero i was so hooked i would still play it even if it doesnt give me rewards. ZZZ's roguelike is already good (for me atleast) and they improved it this patch. im so excited what skill upgrades they will give to other agents (especially Zhu Yuan's. she's my favorite)
What drew me in initially for ZZZ was the character type diversity which it's still doing a great job of (could use more guys but that's whatever). That said, the roster is smaller than some other games but the designs are really good. ZZZ is a really good example of quality over quantity. I may only log in a total of 30-60 minutes a day depending on the event, but it's short and sweet without overstaying its welcome. The game's structure also allows me to finish things in parts at a time.
I like the smaller explorable areas in ZZZ. I hope we get more, and while I'm happy with their size, I want there to be more stuff to interact with in them, more lore tidbits in the world, more collectables, etc. I'd also like to see maybe a card game. ZZZ already has so many arcade games that reference the time period it's drawing inspiration from, but really whats more 90s/00s than pokemon cards? I want the bedroom to be customisable, like housing in genshin. And maybe even invite friends from friend list to visit it.
How I see it is that the ZZZ devs realised they needed to actually put some effort into their story mode map design. They also knew that any association with tv mode would lead to negative association so they had to move away from it. As to what they could do is add more hollow exploration. It can be in tv mode or 3d, doesn't really matter, but give us the ability to go into the hollows and just F around. It wont be open world but just something thats a bit more randomized with and has little gimicks depending on the hollow we're in or level or whatever
The only gripe I have with ZZZ is the battery system. As soon as you run out of battery you can’t really grind anything (Upgrade materials, discs, etc). I feel that if something were to change with this system or maybe if it’s deprecated completely it’ll give those who want more to grind more incentive to keep playing in order to min max their agents.
Ironically enough, the fact that ZZZ is designed (albeit maybe unwillingly) to be a side game is what made it be my main game. Life's just too busy right now to be spending 30 minutes on dailies and spending hours on finding every single treasure chests on a map for like maybe 5 pulls total. Having played other hoyo games before also helped me pace ZZZ a lot more, I've only pulled 3 limited characters despite buying monthly pass and I have 100+ fuels saved up because I knew end game was gonna come eventually and there's no need to rush building and pulling characters. I have give massive props to the dev team for how they handled TV Mode, they gave it a fair chance but when it couldn't live up to expectations, they decided to go all out on replacing it. As a mobile player myself, although I liked the idea but the actual gameplay was miserable because they've only added on-screen controls recently and it was extremely tedious to navigate on the phone. Now that fall guys is their replacement for it, I'm guessing that mode is also where they plan on expanding for casual players, which honestly I'm all in for since it's a fun mode.
Played at release but stopped because of the TV Mode. Came back for 1.4 launch on a new account and I enjoy the game much more now. Been a blast trying to catch up characters for end game.
I played Genshin for 4 years and was happy to explore. Also played HSR and was happy with exploring around, but then as a father for a young kid and now have a daughter as well, it's hard to dedicate the same time, even for HSR, so ZZZ is a Godsend to me. Better than most gachas, and is respectful of my time. With every new patch, there's a story you can chill and play at your pace, with enough time to complete quests, story, events, and end-game content. I'm happy here.
I would argue it DOES have casual friendly exploration, just in smaller, tighter city areas. This aspect of ZZZ is one of the big reasons I stuck with it. I love exploring the neighborhoods, taking pictures, and doing weird side quests.¹ The Officer Mewmew and Daily Ridu tasks have you run around looking for stuff and talking to people. It can be pretty braindead, but it's also casual and mobile friendly. Same with the new Agent hang out system. There's rewards tied to EACH Agent. Being able to hang out with Agents also gives me another reason outside of combat to pull a character. I didn't NEED Lighter, but I sure as hell wanted to hang out with him in Lumina Square.² Your original point still stands, as they don't take a lot of time to complete, and once they're done, they're done. They could also use a some work to be more engaging.³ What some players may be looking for is here, but a little undercooked. If they keep improving these aspects, ZZZ could be something incredible. ¹ We look for COINS for a GARBAGE CAN. I love this dumb game. ² I mainly pulled him for the eventual Ellen re-run. Turns out he's pretty good with my Billy and Lucy. ³ I have not completed the side-quests in Port Elpis; maybe they're better! Maybe they're worse!
One of the main reasons why I love this game is it's very casual. I can login do stuff, even pause my phone when things come up, and log out. No rush, I am abke to go at my pace. I loved WOW, Nevereinter, Genshin, and other openworld games but I ended up quitting in the end because it took too much of my time. I love gaming but there are now things that I love besides that. I'm glad games like ZZZ exist so i can still enjoy the excitment that I experience when I game but it does not force me to spend too much time on it.
They have a pretty good stream of events for casual players, it feels like there's always another reason to log in besides dailies. Every new region adds new commissions, too. I do see your point but as a day one player who also plays Genshin, right now ZZZ has me more engaged. I haven't even played all the agent stories yet
interesting that they removed the TV-mode completely... I´m a bit torn about this. in the first hours this mode slows you down with too many pop-ups, explanations, etc., could have been a bit frustrating - but later in the game (after main story) it was quite fun for me. I even liked the time limited event "Camellia Golden Week" really much!
100% agree Hoyo is known to give people a overly long and annoying limited time events and this happend to be TV mode. And people jumped on the hate train. Once you used to TV it was on pair with comics for narration, but offered actuall gameplay. Fun and refreshing. Just cut the animated transitions.
I think the reason why TV mode et launch was such a hassle to most is that it felt like a « waste of Time » to them. I feel like a better way to implement the TV mode is if you can build something from it. Like a base building system for example Arknights Endfield which makes management far more useful and rewarding.
I also definitely think the new Eous sections are a pretty good replacement for the TV mode, and the Pale Void even further assuaged my fears. It can't do everything TV mode could, but that's because it's a different medium, everything will have tradeoffs regardless. I will still miss it though, because that mix of casual old school dungeon crawling and high energy combat is what drew me to ZZZ in the first place. I don't enjoy the feeling of just being "all go all the time." So I hope they can add some more "casual" side missions using Eous and the Pale Void mechanics.
One idea they could do is have battle areas to venture around in similar to Final Fantasy X-2. That way it's not exactly open world, but can still be a place to roam around and interact with NPCs before going to the dangerous areas to battle Ethereals.
I definitely think that ZZZ would really benefit from a reduction of material farming requiring the “battery charge” system. I find it really limiting as I can easily burn through all my battery charge in less than 10 minutes and then be stuck progressing an agent for the day. My solution would be to incorporate a mode similar to the “Monster Hunter” series where you can go out to different large locales (or in this case parts of hollows like the pale wasteland event that we just got) and be able to hunt down high threat ethereals to fight for some varried but slightly randomized loot drops (ex. Hunting the Dead End Butcher would drop random amounts of dennies, ether chips, and ether plating) Basically allowing casual players who wish to progress a pretty slow yet viable option to engage in without having to go through the mess of hollow zero for vary limited/specific rewards.
As a player, I have to admit that my primary motivations are exploration, expression, traversal, and detail. I like smelling the roses. This also means that, unfortunately, I landed in the wrong game with Zenless (but it was my first, so I had to start somewhere). The fact is, I love the world and I like the gameplay. But the gameplay is never asking anything of me, the player. I either show up with an optimized build and let it do its thing, or I show up with my favorite champions and struggle. The combat is endlessly flashy, but it ultimately feels like whether I can pass a rudimentary skill check with "the build everyone recommends" I should be playing Genshin. I'm drawn to it, but more attached to the game that I started playing since Day 1. The fear of fomo is crippling there, and I feel like it can't be salvaged if I start now. In addition to that, I prefer an urban aesthetic to the fantasy one on a gut level, though I'm open to both. On the other hand, it looks like either Ananta or NTE is going to give me everything that I want. So looking forward to those releases. I'd rather ZZZ be the enduring property here with its proven world, music, narrative, but it's going to come down to what player motivations each of these entries seeks to address.
Started playing zzz a week ago. 1.4 definitely drew me in. Loving the experience so far but I'm already at the point in HSR where there is nothing to do. I want there to be stuff to do in this game and as a new player there is. I just don't want that to run out.
I enjoy the hub world style they have with ZZZ versus the open world format of GI and HSR. Everything is more streamlined for a casual player that way in my opinion. There's still some stuff to discover like the lost mini cargo boxes or seeing NPCs just out and about. But I believe you said it in a previous video or it was another ZZZ content creator who stated that ZZZ is great for players who of the Persona series of games. It really does have that persona feel without the rigid time constraints of a calendar outside of the time of day for side missions and events. But you have full control of the day/night cycle. So there is never any pressure if you missed something at a specific time of day. I do agree the combat is a major pull for ZZZ. It's flashy, easy to get into, yet it has just enough behind the scenes for a casual player to want to build a character with little effort invested. Especially with the introduction of the special training program that was brought in with this recent patch. I've been using it and it certainly has made it easier for me in figuring out what I'm missing and by how much. Really helps optimize my battery usage which I feel like some people might appreciate. As one of the few people who enjoyed the tv mode, I will admit that playing as Eous in the hollows has been an absolute blast and I fully agree that the game is better for it. I am happy they haven't removed it in it's entirety though. I can't exactly explain why I like the tv mode. I think it evokes classic dungeon crawler crpg vibes for me. Which kind of feels right up ZZZ's vibe. I feel like Hoyo is cooking something for ZZZ. Especially after the way the story concluded in this patch. I'm sure they aren't gonna want to let this game flounder. I think they truly believe in the product and want to do right by the fandom. But at the end of the day it is a business. But I'm hopeful.
Personally, although people like not having an open world in ZZZ, the game just doesn't show the urban appeal that I love so much. I would recommend replacing the loading screen with say, using the car to get around the city, but you can only drop it off at the existing playable zones. Of course that'll be some hell of a work for the devs, but it would help with the immersion intensely. Also, the character interaction is so good, I want to see more of that, ESPECIALLY a selfie mode for the playable characters aside from the proxy. I don't have an idea on improving the game structure itself, but if I had to say something, then I'd like an easier way to do world quests and missions on the HDD.
i loved the video and agreed to everything,i suggest getting a better camera like a 1080p 60fps one because it looks weird changing from good gameplay to bad camera
The best thing that I love about ZZZ is that it respects my time. If I only do the dailies, it'll only take like 8-15mins tops. But even if there is weeklies or events to do, it'll only take 15-30mins which isn't every day.
I remember complaining on the Genshin subreddit about how broken my account is. Most of my characters are under-leveled even though I've dropped the world level (surprising how far you can go if you have enough food to heal). I went through a daily grind and managed to level up my main 5 or so but it takes so long. Everybody said Genshin is the easiest and I don't know what I'm talking about. Now ZZZ has come out and has stolen my heart because I can give a few hours every day and feel satisfied. I can play a few "world" quests and actually make noticeable progress. Even with a not so optimized account, I can decide to play or grind, or both. Every time i open Genshin i just remember the mountain of quests i haven't done and feel like changing server and starting from scratch just so that i dont feel the pressure. Hoyo has found the best balance with ZZZ.
For someone that come and stick with GFL/PNC, ZZZ feels just right. As a weeb I tried quite a lot of anime gacha games. A game that need me to login 20 mins max daily, have event/update from time to time that continue the story or give some side story/content for fun, and have you slowly grind in your own pace. I was just describing GFL/PNC but it can apply to ZZZ too. This game strike to give you a chill experience like how MC experience, while some really really challenging content to people that want the adrenaline rush from time to time. Although the weekly grind is little bit annoying, but glad they also try to make it fun by changing it up.
if the leaks are anything to go by the casual side is going to be the bangboo fall guys “collab” that its going to have. I think that is a brilliant choice as it is a tried and true game play for casuals and it’s not really hard to make since the crude geometric shape is actually a style choice rather than a limitation.
I think Arcade has more potential of attracting the casual audience by introducing more minigames to it and it already has the leaderboards and the fall guys like approach with the bangboos was also good, so if they just add multiplayer to it and make game modes around that can also work. The recent bangboo tower defence was also nice. with all these I'm very excited to see what devs do in the future. (I need the arcade like bike race similar to the Sons of Calydon story, straight up add Mario cart in game)
What i like about ZZZ is that i dont need to log on more than an hour for my weekly/dailies. Story wise its good, goofy and comedic but can be serious. The last thing i want from it is to have something todo that would reduce my rest time. If were talking about improvements, i want the arcade to add more things. Its something neglible now. Maybe add some of the past events like the one with Miyabi where Eos walks around a map collecting coins. Its fun and very challenging since i lack the ability to control it perfectly. Or maybe make some side weeklies where WiseBelle would work outside and do side jobs.
I think you're statement at the end was perfect. ZZZ is a perfect "second gacha." I like that the story segments aren't too long every update, but still feel like an ongoing narrative. I like that I spend ~10 minutes at most doing dailies. The side events are still long and have a lot of dialogue, but I skip the unvoiced stuff as it doesn't seem to expand upon characterization. HSR is in a middle ground between Genshin and ZZZ, and I enjoy the areas in that game as well. I'm sick of open worlds in games in general, so I'm glad Hoyo has been making more intentionally designed spaces.
This games balancing is SO CREATIVE. Dude, deadly assault not relying on your damage but your skill is amazing! The new TV mode removal is also really good it’s just sooo fucking good
0:48 Thank you. This is EXACTLY how I felt about TV mode. The issue was always going to be that any of the interesting TV gameplay would really need to be tricky puzzles. Hoyo, ofc, can't do this because they want their game to appeal to as many people as possible. So what you ended up with was an easy and boring game mode. Personally I didn't hate the concept of TV's, but telling story through them, and padding gameplay with them, really was the part I didn't l ike.
In a dev talk, they talked about expanding the city areas sounding like making it a bit more open world like, were there would be more interactions between you, your agents and NPCs. But that wont come any time soon. They seem to add both type of content at the same time, it's just that the casual content have no repeatable content like the late game has. It would be pretty hard to get casual content repeatable while not becoming too boring, managing the store and such tasks could become too repetitive after a while. I would love more story driven content, maybe just create small stories every other week, doesn't have to be voiced or animated, this game is pretty good at telling a story with just text.
I can definitely agree with you there. Back during the wait for 1.4 I completed basically everything in the game as of 1.3, basically had nothing to do other than a few arcade achievements and filling out the last few entires of Ray’s Research Log. So, I started a second account :P But I’m basically back in the same boat now this far into 1.4 I feel pretty much the same as you on the whole TV mode issue. I was a supporter, and was sad to see it go… but what we’ve gotten in its place has absolutely been an improvement. The devs are cooking, that’s for sure. My biggest surprise, and a reason why I felt like there isn’t a ton to do, is that there were barely any side commissions this time around. There were 2 I think? Don’t get me wrong, there’ve been a ton of fun events, plus Deadly Assault and Lost Void are super fun, but the core commission system is kinda just gone with TV mode I guess. I felt like that was a big part of “rebuilding our reputation as a Proxy”, so where go? Overall I’m very happy with ZZZ, it’s my first Gacha and I’ve been having a blast. It really feels like the devs are in tune with the fanbase here, which is very nice, I adore the characters, the combat has been awesome. So I really do hope the game keeps doing well, cause I’m having fun with it, and with these videos :D
The lack of side commissions is exactly what I've been worried about from the moment they decided to leave tv mode behind. As much as it was a neat way to tell a story, it also must have been a huge time saver when it comes to developing missions. No need to make a bunch of 3d environments or animate NPCs when you can just use the pre-existing tv screens to build out a whole level basically using blocks. Even if the new content we got to replace it is fun, I'm worried we'll just be getting a whole lot less content overall going forward, at least in terms of playable levels
I still think that the course correcting sanded off a lot of the edges, and while that might've made for a better game in the end, it is a much less unique and interesting one. I'm not going to pretend like the TV mode wasn't implemented horribly, but it was that presentation that initially drew me in, as it felt quite different from everything else. I don't think I would've ever picked the game up in its current form, and would've missed out on what I still think is by far mihoyo's best output to date. I just hope the Devs find their unique direction again, instead of making the game even more bland through trying to satisfy everyone. Be it the TV mode, the combat system rework, allowing you to switch to agents in the overworld or effectively removing the time management aspect from the game, they're all mostly changes towards a more approachable and stress free experience, but they also feel like the original building blocks of the game's identity that seems somewhat lost to me at the moment.
Making an open world game poses another problem: you have to make it full, alive and interesting. This is something that can lower overall quality of an otherwise good game. I'm sure I'm not the only one to ends up just spamming fast travel to get things done in an open world game so I'm glad ZZZ doesn't have this one extra thing that might become a single point of failure
ZZZ is "open" enough to have fun interactions with NPC. Still it's missing the freedom of expresion that Genshin has. Climbing, flying, swiming, attacking.
A open world like nier automata would be cool, small maps with things to do and enemies to kill. Something like a city map full of side activities and a hollow free roam with random events. Being able to earn some form of currency or materials from an activity that you can do regardless of energy would be nice, something like the miscelaneous quests from skyrim, where they give small rewards and are more like an excuse to keep playing.
ZZZ is my first Gatcha and I started on it on the 2nd January after being bombarded with Burnice music recommendations. It's been fun so far, just hit Inter-Knot Lv28 and managed to get Miyabi in 30 pulls. Sitting with a Section 6 team with Miyabi, M3 Soukaku and Harumasa as my primary squad. The only thing that has been annoying for me is that outside of getting Ben (Just got him today), I don't have any Fire characters at all, I've got pretty much all Ice and Electric characters which as you can imagine can fall short on missions with hard enemies with resistances. Not being able to get Burnice for who knows how long makes me real sad too. The game probably needs to at least allow you to have a balanced team that can cover any mission while being either F2P or minimal investment. (I'm what you call a goldfish lol)
i definitely stuck with zzz because they adjusted the TV mode, but also because i already liked the combat and it makes for a really nice 2nd or 3rd gacha game for me. I know that there's the arcade and a few other bits like the "dating" that isn't combat centric that some casuals do like, but i also definitely agree that more casual/nongamer focused things should be added to draw in more
Agree, hope they will manage to the find and develop to the point that players happy to play and consuming in long term. Actually I choose to play ZZZ because it don't use much time as playing Genshin. But sometimes also feel bore and lazy to play. I also feel it still missing something.
Well, to be fair ZZZ was the top performing title for Hoyoverse in the month of December. 2nd overall gacha revenue after Love and Deep Space. So it seems 1.4 fixed some of the "floundering" issues you were talking about. Granted this might be a one off because of Miyabi. It's still great that they revamped the new player experience, and they do seem to really care and listen to feedback. I have high hopes for the future of ZZZ. Right now it feels like the most experimental major title and it's been mostly W's so far.
The TV mode was there as a cost-cutting measure, allowing mihoyo to create levels cheaply, without much in the way of 3D art, level design, etc, so that the budget the game had allocated to it can be spent on the things that matter - combat gameplay and characters. Even the story presentation is done cheaper than HSR for example, as they cut the corners of having the characters standing in a 3D space for a lot of the dialogue scenes. The changes mean ZZZ has had more budget allocated to it, which is thanks to its success. I assume the game exceeded hoyo's expectations for a fully original IP that's also quite different tonally from what they've done already. So it's not that the game was struggling and it had to get fixed - the game simply had more money put towards it, so now they can make the Eous sections full levels with 3D puzzles, and proper interactions.
I was drawn to ZZZ specifically because it doesn't have an open world where I have to spend countless hours exploring to uncover all the hidden stuff. I'm an adult working 5 days a week, I'm happy to have a new chapter every 2-3 weeks to play in the weekend. And once I'm done i really don't mind just logging in for 15-20 mins a day burning the stamina to build up items for the next banner, it's actually working pretty well. It's's very reminiscent of Monster Hunter, which was fundamentally, a game that let's you do things at your pace and doesn't rush you to say, hey this thing happens on this week, after that, you'll miss it etc etc, other than limited banners
EXACTLY, I HAVE OPEN WORKD FATIGUE AND JUST CANT
also the story is properly split into smaller parts making it easier to follow and continue
Yup and ZZZ respects your time.
@@ErdingerLi I loved that you mentioned Monster Hunter cuz that's exactly what I was feeling about ZZZ. Not everyone has time and this game respects that.
After Genshin I have open world gacha PTSD
I tried Genshin. But never stuck with it. The world is too big for me and I'm a working man with 12 hr shifts 5 days a week. My mother has Cancer, we have bills to pay, and I will never have enough time to "explore" the vast world of Genshin just to get pulls. ZZZ is just right for me. Small, well crafted locations, combat all around, and doesn't overstay its welcome. Not everyone can be a streamer, a youtuber, or even play games 24/7. If ZZZ needs something to help it, it's not a vast open-world, imo.
Edit: Thanks for the support guys. I never intended to garner attention by bringing up my mother's medical situation but thank you all nonetheless! I just wanted to stress the point that someone with a situation like mine could never play Genshin or other open-world games as much as the next gamer. Time isn't something everyone has, basically.
All the best to your mother and family, my heart goes out to you.
I wish you the best going forward. My best wishes to your mum and family, god bless.
Best wishes to your mom, man 🙏🙏
That was my problem with wuwa.
Coming from someone whos really only stuck with hsr and zzz.
The time investment was too much for me game looked and is cool. But it felt like i was working a job.
Zzz strikes the perfect balance for me .
When it comes to respecting my time.
i hope ur mom gets better 🙏🙏
I'm personally ok with them not turning ZZZ into another open world Genshin. The focus on the battling is what keeps me so engaged. Being able to go in, use up my stamina for the day, then leave so I have time for something else is a blessing since I'm also working full-time.
I understand your point of view and I can see younger audiences getting bored because there's nothing to do after completing everything. But also it would give them time to play other Hoyo games that do require all of that extra time. So there are some pros and cons to how the system works.
Agreed
@@KingJellalTV If anything, I think ZZZ found its audience. People with no time in their busy schedules or could never allocate no more than 30 mins gaming daily.
I guess the idea is that they want growth, not just profit so if it's one thing to have an audience that's happy, but they want something like an open world to pull in people who wouldn't be playing gachas and bring them.
tbh, younger audience is not supposed to play zzz lol, since it's more mature compared to the other hoyo games that's still family friendly.
There's nothing to do only if you don't fiddle around or explore more or just stop and smell the flowers. I go around Lumina Square every day but I'm not tired of it yet because there's different people going around and something happening sometimes
ZZZ is the first gacha game that has kept me engaged. I tried Genshin and HSR (in mobile) but only ZZZ managed to keep me coming back to the game. One of the reasons I enjoy ZZZ is that it suits my casual playstyle. I can play for just 10 minutes a day during the week and dedicate over an hour once a week without feeling like I'm falling behind. Love the characters, the bangboos and the gameplay flashiness too.
Unfortunately for the game. It faced a lot of negative youtube coverage at launch, which discouraged many players from giving it a try.
Really? Why did it get negative coverage?
@@rayok_zedThe TV gameplay wasn't good for streaming so content creators all over different platforms cried about it, then the playerbase followed suit and hated on it. Forcing hyv to basically remove it from all story related chapters.
@@rain-nin5309 which fucking sucks
a chao garden for bangboos. youre welcome hoyo.
Absolutely fucking real
Hoyo, hire this person.
Mihoyo is leaving money on the table by not doing this
Y E S
You sexy son of a gun, you're a genius
I think something that can't be understated is the community and target audience. I really, really DON'T want ZZZ to be flooded with younger players more typical of Genshin just in pursuit of more players - rife with complainers, toxic shippers and every manner of maladjusted terminally online behaviour under the sun - a smaller but healthy community is miles better than a saturated, toxic one. ZZZ being popular with working adults too busy touching grass to beef on Twitter or Reddit is one of its biggest strengths right now.
I agree. This is why I don't interact with the genshin community because of the younger audience and their problematic behavior.
And my God the shipping is like battlefield down there. For some reason, people hate straight ships and favor guy-on-guy/girl-on-girl ships.
As a youngster myself (15) ZZZ is just the right game for me. i don't have a lot of time so i can play max 2 hours daily and its just perfect when it comes to time menagement. So far, the most fun game i ever played on my crappy laptop
zzz kinda gatekeeps itself because of the fanservice filtering out the toxic ones
whether you like the fanservice or dont care, it's a good thing cause it keeps people in check
@@bowserjrimacasualshutup6754 i very much share your opinion, there are many silly at times. But the good thing is - it keeps the weirdos out
@@bowserjrimacasualshutup6754 The game's art director & character designer being a loli corn artist also helps in that
I personally think zzz is heading away from there other games on purpose so it can establish itself as it's own thing and not be conpared as often. I think this is great because things people expect in hoyos other games may not happen and that's fine because it clearly does things differently and better, at least for me. I think this is a reason why a lot of people seem to have disregarded it because it's not following the norm but I don't want zzz to be normal, i want it to be unique, goofy, and serious all at the same time which they're doing a great job at. Overall i think zzz easily has the potential to become their best game if they keep going strong.
you have the exact same opimion as mine
@oozin9025 great minds think alike
@@madmanof2016 lol i just noticed your pfp
"Into that Pale Wasteland" as Miyabi's event and further focus on Section 6 - is actually possibly ZZZ trying to seek and test their players with taking a bigger world to explore.
I would love to hear your interesting comments about it
I rather have them craft a nice enviroment than half bake an events like that.
If TV allowed them to focus on polishing certain aspects of the game, I hope shift to appeal the audience won't impact the overall quality.
i really liked that event and the melinoe hollow i hope that we get something like that but bigger in the future
what i think would be even nicer if it really was just a big area to explore using ur agent and instead of going into missions one by one you can do missions once you encounter them and also multiple missions in one sitting if you want to instead of being booted out after every mission
also i hope we get a hollow like melinoe sometime again because i really liked the visual appearance of it
Whether it is or isn't, I didn't like it...
With the way it was set up I did think there might be some potential for procedural generation and a kind of roguelike experience but it was all just pretty simple and maybe dragged on a little too long. It was fun sure and maybe they were trying it out before attempting to introduce a procedurally generated mode but I guess we will see.
I personally didn't find most of the event story or dialogue to be interesting. I remember them trying to have character moments, but they felt shoehorned in alongside an unnecessary amount of exposition. I hope that if this was meant to be an experiment, they really rethink how they tell event stories.
This is an issue that hasn't been very apparent to me because I'm a fairly busy person so the low time investment always seemed like a plus to me.
Even before i was as busy as i am today, ZZZ was my second game alongside something else which i could play for longer so the issue never really came up.
I'm personally fine with ZZZ not feeling like much if a "main game" but i do understand your point and it's a fair observation
ZZZ just reminds me of Hoyo's older game Honkai Impact 3rd. Level based combat gameplay with no "true" open world and every patch there seems to be a completely different gameplay event to keep things fresh alongside the normal content releases.
Example being the bangboo v ethereal tower defense. Stuff like that always happens in Hi3rd to this day. They might just take that route and I don't mind it.
it's annoying mobile gaming limits. Plus Genshin and HSR also have restricted area combat and minigames, so idk what there's to "remind you" of
Oh you dont play hi3 untill chapter 19😂? Its full of open world and theres part 2 where its full open world
You know what I think the casual draw of ZZZ could be after beating the main content each week? Minigames. They want to make New Eridu a big alive city to explore, so why not go the Yakuza/Like a Dragon route and fill that city with activities to do? Minigames to play, a business management minigame to do in the background to maintain your proxy cover. Just fun silly stuff like that. The minigames in Yakuza are so good they're arguably the real main show with the games.
Currently all we have in terms of minigames are the three arcade games in Godfinger. We did have the Bangboo tower defense mode but since it was an event it's gone, but that could be turned into a permanent mode because it was really enjoyable, and would give a reason to keep going back to Reverb Arena. They could add motorcycle driving trials with the Sons of Calydon to give a reason to keep going back to Blazewood. They could add a mystery game with the PubSec agents to give a reason to go to the police station they hardly did anything with. Hell Genshin Impact has a whole TCG minigame in it, and while it's not very good, that's an avenue ZZZ could go in.
That's a good idea. Leaks also seem to indicate that you're getting your wish because it looks like they want to add racing.
Especially if some of the minigames are co op and multiplayer and they keep updating them
Agreed. A change of artstyle for these minigames would be cool too - imagine a game mode where you control the Agents in those distinct chibis instead.
I have zero interest in mini games, just combat
I like these suggestions. I think they should be a little more generous with rewards for the permanent game content. At least like constant dennies and a few A rank drive discs. Something that doesn't need to burn stamina. At least let's us have a reason to keep rolling for really good discs with sub stats
Came for combat and the unique aesthetic but stayed for the storytelling/music! Other gachas take note, this last Miyabi quest was like a MOVIE! It was so well done, and honestly put every other gachas cutscenes/story to shame. It was not filled with a bunch of yapping, it hit the sweet spot for duration like it ended right on time, it felt concise. They really have something special here
I would love to see more multiplayer added, fighting the weekly bosses with a friend was a thing before launch & i want to play with friends
Oh man, I'd love to team up with 2 friends to take on a boss with higher difficulty like we do in Monster Hunter World/Rise. That'd be sick! 🎮
Raid mode or anything like that would be a great addition :) The game lacks serious PVE multiplayer, big bossfights would fit perfectly.
Not when they only make the boss a punching bag w HP, if they going to make multiplayer mode then they better make bosses have better mechanic and difficulty… n not just HP increase like HSR lol
Genshin?
I think multiplayer conflicts with the core of zzz’s mechanics because chain attacks wouldn’t work, anomaly characters would become overpowered and position buffs would be weird,
The only thing I think could work would be more stand alone missions like the Into That Pale Wasteland event. It seems super fun to me and something they could grow more game play. Maybe each faction gets some kind of side mission outside of the story?
actually i like pale of wasteland event too.. but if they make it not too bland it could be better, at least give me fog or environment dynamic
Something that allows you to explore the world in more detail WITHOUT being open world could be great yeah. That or exploring different aesthetics beyond the default urban one. Arknights often has roguelike events, one of them had a very evocative gothic tone, like delving into a mysterious ancient dungeon.
What about the Arcade? The side missions? the Sage in a Barrel side missions? Increasing Trust with your Agents? The Agent storylines? - I think there is already plenty for casual gaming
Oh good, someone else sees this too. I genuinely feel that character events are a big part of the experience. Not to mention just engaging in the world with the random events. It's not insanely time consuming, but it's there. I think the game isn't necessarily *trying* to be this giant timesink that open world games can end up being.
I kind of love it for that, to be honest.
As an older gamer, I'm glad that there just enough game play per day for 20-60 mins. I've had to drastically cut back on Genshin playtime because of responsibilities to the point where I try to cram all the quests and events into 1-2 days a week.
indeed. Both HSR and ZZZ allows to do stuff once a week. Genshin technically improves daily grind, but it's still not user friendly.
But core gameplay is still best in Genshin. You don't get as much freedom in rest. It's just maps are WAY too big and they decided to force players to grind newly released characters for better traversal. Cheap move.
Nah, ZZZ is already hoyo's best game imo. I know there's still problems with the game but the devs have proven how far they're willing to go to make thus game a special one. and that alone to me is truly amazing.
It is definitely the best but what’s undeniable is that is it’s the most fun hoyo game by quite far
Fr!!! ZZZ has brung me the most fun from any games i ever played
really dumb claim.
both HSR and Genshin had better story. Genshin better gameplay. Both HSR and ZZZ are user friendly.
ZZZ has better vibe but devs are really lost in how to develop the game.
@@ramsoofkyo9047 chill he said "imo"
@@ramsoofkyo9047 The irony of your attempt to call out something, when your take is even worse, is hilarious. And sad.
Only Genshin has had a better main narrative so far, and those were for Sumeru and Fontaine. Star Rail hasn't had a story that's reached the same level of quality as Genshin or ZZZ, Penacony was close but multiple things ended up bringing the story down significantly, one of the primary ones being Firefly herself. ZZZ's current story has frankly, been the best main story writing we've had since early HI3.
Genshin's gameplay is only good if you don't enjoy thinking. Genshin gameplay compared to ZZZ gameplay is the equivalent of attempting to code a game, compared to trying to code a sapient AI. Genshin's gameplay falls off quickly, even in Spiral Abyss. ZZZ's gameplay actually requires a modicum of thought behind what you do, especially with how much more detailed each character is.
And are you actually complaining about the game being better and having more QoL? Go play an MMO if you want a terrible player experience, I'm sure it'll satisfy your shitty opinions and terrible tastes.
Great video! I agree, Hoyoverse won’t let Zenless fail. I think if anything, it will be the game that succeeds the most, due to how much invest they put into this gacha over the others. We will have to see what they come up with next
Since zzz is using decibels and discs drives meaning sound and music, maybe there will be some kind of music related game mode. Of course people cannot forget the arcade game mode which is made for mobile game so they can add more arcade mobile game for the casual.
zzz is the only hoyo game i played over 2 months and am still stuck with it from launch just like with wuwa. both are great games and fun to play
What somebody plays both hoyo games and kuro games? Not on my watch - some gacha player😂
I'm glad it's not an open world game. Sorry but open world backfires for me 80% of the time. Yes, I have more to do but what I can do is mostly boring and at the same time wastes all the resources that could have been put into quality content. Honkai Impact gets by without all the pointless stuffing and is still the best Hoyo game in my opinion.
tbf a lot of games nowadays put way too much content that's not time-joy efficient.
ZZZ feels a lot like Hi3- This, combined with the amazing Y2K art style, brilliantly written characters and great music made me completely fall in love with it.
The game is starting to do *really* well and the common consensus right now seems to be that it is a great game period; Haven’t seen *nearly* as many haters as there were at the beginning.
People forget that HSR wasn’t nearly as big as it is now when it was still on 1.4.
Looking at how huge 1.4 was - just imagine what we will get for 2.0. The ZZZ team has already proven to be immensely capable and talented devs so I am optimistic about its future.
Also Pulchra was planned to be playable from the beginning lol
On the "brilliantly written" characters front, I got one gripe, I would think Zhu Yuan would you know, have a tiny bit of a reaction to the guy whom she looked up to as a kid and is the reason why she decided to become a cop, turning out to be some crazy cult member. Zhu Yuan not really anything to say that front made her come across as a bit wooden as a character.
the A-Rank situation is the most worrying thing for me. i think speaking on behalf of most people, we don't care if half of the new S-Ranks are A-Ranks with good constelation/cinema
I don't get it most A Ranks are good to use even Ban is played as DPS in Endless Tower or C6 Soukaku being able to solo 3 Star clear Marionette Boss in Deadly Assault try to do anything like that in HSR endgame it ain't possible even with a full 4 Star Team
Hear me out. Semi open world Bangboo exploration with platforming elements, Bangboo customization and mini battles between Bangboos/wild animals
They're going in the right direction with the lost void. Having roguelike modes fits the game perfectly. They also listened to the criticism (that I also wrote in the feedback) that their endgame modes need more and steady rewards over each patch, not just weekly reset content that is done within a couple runs on the first day of reset, even for casuals.
What I'm personally looking for is something like an endless tower mode (including lore and cutscenes) that includes (somewhat normalized so no S Rank M6 whale shenanigans) multiplayer and ongoing short stories.
Been chilling between endgame resets by doing the friendship stuff with all thr characters. Each of them have polychromes and a small amount of materials if you compelte all 10 'tasks.'
10 tasks per character piles up, plus you get to walk around and just chill to see how characters react to stuff in the world. 🥰
that's the appeal. Altho the devs are lost about game direction it still has vibe
I play all 3 of their main games, no HI3, and I have played them since launch. ZZZ is absolutely their best game and by a decent margin. Story, animation, combat, character design, it is the game that I enjoy most, and I enjoy more than Wuthering Waves.
I'm excited to see where the ZZZ dev team takes this game, because they are cooking.
PS. Anyone who plays one gacha and expects it to keep them as occupied as say WoW, Warframe, D2, etc you're crazy 😂. Gacha games are good on the side or in a rotation. I play them in a rotation, and on top of work, and exercising I always have something to do if I feel like playing and I am never fully caught up likd I was in early Genshin.
Have you heard of Ananta?
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To be honest I enjoy the fact that after the story I can just log in, do a few events and task and log off. I would like to see more skins, bigger maps like Lumina Square and more things to do within the maps other than interacting with NPCs. But I really don’t need the game to make me stay more time.
agree
unfortunatelly altho they are giving new skin for Nicole, it's basically a recolored
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@@ramsoofkyo9047 It's not a recolor I don't know why you guys keep spreading misinformation just use 10 seconds of your life and actually compare both versions they changed more than enough lmao
@@ramsoofkyo9047 it is pretty different and also Astra and Eve skins were announced as well which is cool
The thing is for me, the side quests, agent interactions, AND on top of that all the limited events are more than enough, and it’s only gonna get better
I came to ZZZ because of the combat and the beautiful Jet Set Radio esque style. I stayed for every update, better characters, better stories, and even after I'm done with all the content every day/week I achievement hunt and 100% everything I haven't gotten yet. I LOVE this game so much.
I would like to see them try to make one hollow a semi open world instead of a corridor combat. They could make it some sort of extraction game mode where you enter, try to get as many whatevers as you can and go to designated exit points. That could be a good "I'm done with dailies/weeklies, I can do this now" thing.
The difference between doing this and doing hollow zero is that you do get the exploration an open world provides and if they do it right they could make the hollow procedural so it doesn't feel stale. Bloodborne is a 10 year old game and the chalice dungeons are still a great blueprint of how to do a lot with a little, giving dozens (hundreds even) of hours if you want do do them.
A game mode dedicated to exploring a Hollow indepth sounds amazing yeah. And every week or month they can shuffle the map around and it's easily explainable as the Hollow internally changing itself.
I think what ZZZ should expand on is the slice of life stuff.
Let us manage the shop and decorations in detail. Let us go about as the agents and live their lives a bit. Explore their individual home areas. I still want to see what Victoria Housekeeping looks like. It would be nice to expand parts of the cities and areas to give us more space to explore while keeping it contained.
Living everyday lives doing things that can net rewards for the combat part.
I could enjoy a monthly or weekly treasure hunt where you go about collecting clues to unlock a bigger reward.
Definitely various outfits for our agents unlockable via quests and rewards and some gacha... despite me hating the gacha part.
I was in a place where I felt the end game was way too difficult and was really stressing me, but after putting in a lot of effort and changing lineups (or letting Shiyu reset) OR PULLING MIYABI, I was finally able to at least clear all the End game content that gives Polychrome (Which is what was stressing to begin with). I suck at this game so If I can get 6 stars in Deadly Assault, 7 S-ranks in Shiyu Critical, and make it to floor 19 in the Tower, then it's not too difficult after all.
Zzz a perfect Game for people with low time to spend
fancy words to say "game with little content"
@ramsoofkyo9047 well some people not have time so quick gameplay help those who can't spend 12 hours at day to a game
@@Agentepeluche logic much
@@ramsoofkyo9047 Not everything needs to always have content at all times, even live service games
6:21 Given that ZZZ clearly derives inspiration from games like Persona, similar social sim gameplay seems like a no-brainer to me. Also, if you haven't already, do yourself a favour and try out Persona 5. Though given how long the game is, you might end up turning into a Persona channel.
I agree they don't need a full open world for the game, but i wouldn't mind having explorable randomized Hollows to dive into whenever; maybe as a free option to gather resources outside of the HIA. Into the Pale Wasteland feels like a small step towards this.
yes
basically bigger maps instead of 1 room combat with 4 enemies.
I have a suggestion.......
What abt community made mini games.
For example- The overlords ride:
A racing mini game where u can compete with other, make your own tracks and play on tracks made by others.(Kinda the like the dungen events from genshin). They can also add new bikes and costomisations to unlock/buy(not a good Idea but still possible).
Another idea,
CO-OP during combat and overworld(the amount of random shit that can become entertaining when u are with a bunch of your homies is unreal)
Final idea,
Some sort of daily routine that involves new interactions with characters and npc's.Not a dating sim but something more close to a animal crossing vibe(i personally don't think that this idea will work but who knows, animal crossing players are basically cultists and I want no smoke with them)
If nothing els just add a fuck ton of henati..... liks in-game hentai.........I am not a proud of this idea.
I need to take a nap.....
leaks show there's an upcoming Fall Guys mode using the Bangboo platformer module. I suspect the Bangboo stuff will probably expand into a variety of new game modes eventually. I wouldn't even put it past them to make an entire Zelda-like adventure game with the Bangboo module at some point.
TBH, I also like the current game model. A game in which you can focus on quick combat sessions and it doesn't consume tons of hours to discover everything. I'm also a working adult man and I don't have a lot of time to spend every single day on a video game. 10 years ago it I would probably think differently ;)
As I looked for average viewer stats for endgame modes guides from yt studio the average auditory currently for them is 25-35, can't really tell if it is a good or bad for gacha sales, but hoyo definetely cooked product for new players in terms of target audience
what?
I have a good idea search and rescue simulator. They throw you into big open world Hollow. and you have to find a specific person and get them out
They have the bones of something like this with the current “Pale Wasteland” event. They could even maybe move into a Dynasty Warriors/Hyrule Warriors route which would be interesting.
This was the concern I was suggesting in their survey for quite some time now, glad someone else is addressing this.
I love every grain of ZZZ, so much that I am begging for more endgame contents to keep us engaged.
Although, something tells me that Devs are already putting it into action (slowly but surely)- starting with the endless tower.
A sonic adventure style Chao-garden but with Bangboo would be super cool, where you raise, modify, play with and manage Bangboos that you can then use in different ways in minigames and other aspects of the game. Hell you could even implement an AFK style minigame where you then send those Bangboo out on missions and they'll farm mats and resources for you.
Also, one the ZZZs biggest strengths is the worldbuilding and storytelling - that's whats hooking me more than anything. If they can implement shorter, slice-of-life story quests, I'd be sooo happy. Doesn't have to be anything special. In fact, it could be super mundane and consist of mostly fetch quests - as long as there are cute little stories told. I want to learn more about the world, the people, the history.
they definitely have two clear routes to follow: The combat route, with exiting combat mechanics and complex combos, and also the Persona route, Hang out with your characters, and go on dates and walk around and stuff, they are on their way to a homerun with that one.
I think the mission I'm thinking of was called, 'The Prophecy', or something like that; Having that as an explorable, 3D, 'semi-open world' Bangboo thing, and doing others like it could be fun.
the thing people refused to understand is that there's a good half of the community who loves TV mode. The other half who hates it decided to speak louder in which case, the developers were reluctant to let go of the feature. It would be time consuming if they decide to cater to both sides, but commendable enough for both tv mode lovers and haters to enjoy the game.
I'm a new player, and the main problem of this game is the *energy system* to max out the characters, I have to wait days or weeks to have a maxed-out character, not because it's difficult, but because you are obliged to wait, and the *lack of ways to get pulls* , once you finish the story mode and the 2 passes that you have to level up to 80 or 90, then there is no way to get more pulls... *It feels like I want to play more, but I can't because the game doesn't want me to lol.*
That's kind of the tradeoff with the game still being so relatively new. I personally like that after I've finished the main content I literally just log in for 10 minutes, get all my daily stuff done, and maybe mess around with rotations with characters I own, and go play something else that will most likely take my time up. I used to play HSR but the combat in ZZZ is way too fun for me to care for that game anymore. The game isn't meant to take up all your time and it's more of a marathon for building characters than a sprint - funny enough ZZZ is the only of the main three hoyo games that actually DOES respect your time - for a game that doesn't have auto-fight (*cough* HSR) I appreciate that I don't have to spend that much time doing menial things and still feel engaged when I do need to do them.
Edit: also for the battle pass they have if you're just doing daily stuff and completing the events as they come you hit 60 (max) within like a week or two. It's pretty laid-back comparatively to other ones I've seen.
welcome to hoyoverse gacha lol, valid complain but is so much better than having energy every 5 hours or so for fomo
well it's live service game you are suppose to build your account over the year not in a few week
TV mode was actually pretty innovative, but execution left a lot to be desired. I did enjoy it to an extent because it felt very retro and functional. However at times the scripted sequences dragged on and it ended up feeling more like a chore. That said I do hope they can find better ways of utilizing it because it really was a nice concept. It's a break from the high octane fights in the higher level content.
I really want multiplayer to be added back to this game, it could be a fun endgame thingy, like imagine you're doing the roguelike lost void gamemode with friends, that would be hella cool
5:19 you should try piper burnice lucy team vs pompey in that mode cause it is better than jane one. Pompey has only fire weakness and piper buffs her team dmg by 18% so burnice and lucy c6 (which is procked beautifully by piper) deals more fire dmg.
judging from his previous video…I doubt he even know how to play piper properly. He don’t even know piper is supposed to maintain at full stack all time.
Haven't they added some "hang out" events in ZZZ? Where you can walk around town doing side quests alongside the characters?
Lack of the TV mode makes the battles much less special for me. Nowadays it's all battles, battles, battles, puzzles only in events, and even them very few of them are actually hard enough to be considered puzzles in my eyes. The rays and stuff in Melinoe hollow from the currently ongoing event are just BUTTONS (and pretty buggy at that lol). On the otehr hand, combat is itself a puzzle, a strategizing one. What characters to use, how to use them, etc. But still, I kind of liked some of the hardest puzzles I've seen in the TV mode, seeing it replaced with A-to-B-to-C is sad. Kind of triggering my inner toxic thoughts.
I hope they make it more open world ,maps something like this new event that u do for section 6 but bigger
i feel like with the new roguelike mode where you can get to build characters in different ways with different abilities, that problem will kinda fade they just need more charaters available for it and more bosses and it would make replaying the mode just a ton of fun
i was about to quit ZZZ because im already playing 4 gachas but before i was about to quit, i spent all the pulls i saved and got Ellen very early so i decided to stay and now it's my favorite gacha to play. when i discovered Hollow Zero i was so hooked i would still play it even if it doesnt give me rewards. ZZZ's roguelike is already good (for me atleast) and they improved it this patch. im so excited what skill upgrades they will give to other agents (especially Zhu Yuan's. she's my favorite)
A shop management sim would be super dope.
sorry, dating sim more important for people
I hade so much fun managing Cheesetopia i kinda wish they add similar content
What drew me in initially for ZZZ was the character type diversity which it's still doing a great job of (could use more guys but that's whatever). That said, the roster is smaller than some other games but the designs are really good. ZZZ is a really good example of quality over quantity. I may only log in a total of 30-60 minutes a day depending on the event, but it's short and sweet without overstaying its welcome. The game's structure also allows me to finish things in parts at a time.
I like the smaller explorable areas in ZZZ. I hope we get more, and while I'm happy with their size, I want there to be more stuff to interact with in them, more lore tidbits in the world, more collectables, etc.
I'd also like to see maybe a card game. ZZZ already has so many arcade games that reference the time period it's drawing inspiration from, but really whats more 90s/00s than pokemon cards?
I want the bedroom to be customisable, like housing in genshin. And maybe even invite friends from friend list to visit it.
How I see it is that the ZZZ devs realised they needed to actually put some effort into their story mode map design. They also knew that any association with tv mode would lead to negative association so they had to move away from it.
As to what they could do is add more hollow exploration. It can be in tv mode or 3d, doesn't really matter, but give us the ability to go into the hollows and just F around. It wont be open world but just something thats a bit more randomized with and has little gimicks depending on the hollow we're in or level or whatever
Added multiplayer arena where players can hang up,chilling or kill each others just for fun
just play roblox
The only gripe I have with ZZZ is the battery system. As soon as you run out of battery you can’t really grind anything (Upgrade materials, discs, etc). I feel that if something were to change with this system or maybe if it’s deprecated completely it’ll give those who want more to grind more incentive to keep playing in order to min max their agents.
Ironically enough, the fact that ZZZ is designed (albeit maybe unwillingly) to be a side game is what made it be my main game. Life's just too busy right now to be spending 30 minutes on dailies and spending hours on finding every single treasure chests on a map for like maybe 5 pulls total. Having played other hoyo games before also helped me pace ZZZ a lot more, I've only pulled 3 limited characters despite buying monthly pass and I have 100+ fuels saved up because I knew end game was gonna come eventually and there's no need to rush building and pulling characters.
I have give massive props to the dev team for how they handled TV Mode, they gave it a fair chance but when it couldn't live up to expectations, they decided to go all out on replacing it. As a mobile player myself, although I liked the idea but the actual gameplay was miserable because they've only added on-screen controls recently and it was extremely tedious to navigate on the phone. Now that fall guys is their replacement for it, I'm guessing that mode is also where they plan on expanding for casual players, which honestly I'm all in for since it's a fun mode.
Played at release but stopped because of the TV Mode. Came back for 1.4 launch on a new account and I enjoy the game much more now. Been a blast trying to catch up characters for end game.
I played Genshin for 4 years and was happy to explore. Also played HSR and was happy with exploring around, but then as a father for a young kid and now have a daughter as well, it's hard to dedicate the same time, even for HSR, so ZZZ is a Godsend to me. Better than most gachas, and is respectful of my time. With every new patch, there's a story you can chill and play at your pace, with enough time to complete quests, story, events, and end-game content. I'm happy here.
I would argue it DOES have casual friendly exploration, just in smaller, tighter city areas. This aspect of ZZZ is one of the big reasons I stuck with it. I love exploring the neighborhoods, taking pictures, and doing weird side quests.¹
The Officer Mewmew and Daily Ridu tasks have you run around looking for stuff and talking to people. It can be pretty braindead, but it's also casual and mobile friendly. Same with the new Agent hang out system. There's rewards tied to EACH Agent. Being able to hang out with Agents also gives me another reason outside of combat to pull a character. I didn't NEED Lighter, but I sure as hell wanted to hang out with him in Lumina Square.²
Your original point still stands, as they don't take a lot of time to complete, and once they're done, they're done. They could also use a some work to be more engaging.³
What some players may be looking for is here, but a little undercooked. If they keep improving these aspects, ZZZ could be something incredible.
¹ We look for COINS for a GARBAGE CAN. I love this dumb game.
² I mainly pulled him for the eventual Ellen re-run. Turns out he's pretty good with my Billy and Lucy.
³ I have not completed the side-quests in Port Elpis; maybe they're better! Maybe they're worse!
I love the TV mode and I am only just now realizing they are removing it and it makes me sad
One of the main reasons why I love this game is it's very casual. I can login do stuff, even pause my phone when things come up, and log out. No rush, I am abke to go at my pace.
I loved WOW, Nevereinter, Genshin, and other openworld games but I ended up quitting in the end because it took too much of my time. I love gaming but there are now things that I love besides that. I'm glad games like ZZZ exist so i can still enjoy the excitment that I experience when I game but it does not force me to spend too much time on it.
They have a pretty good stream of events for casual players, it feels like there's always another reason to log in besides dailies. Every new region adds new commissions, too. I do see your point but as a day one player who also plays Genshin, right now ZZZ has me more engaged. I haven't even played all the agent stories yet
interesting that they removed the TV-mode completely... I´m a bit torn about this. in the first hours this mode slows you down with too many pop-ups, explanations, etc., could have been a bit frustrating - but later in the game (after main story) it was quite fun for me. I even liked the time limited event "Camellia Golden Week" really much!
100% agree
Hoyo is known to give people a overly long and annoying limited time events and this happend to be TV mode. And people jumped on the hate train.
Once you used to TV it was on pair with comics for narration, but offered actuall gameplay. Fun and refreshing. Just cut the animated transitions.
I think the reason why TV mode et launch was such a hassle to most is that it felt like a « waste of Time » to them. I feel like a better way to implement the TV mode is if you can build something from it. Like a base building system for example Arknights Endfield which makes management far more useful and rewarding.
I also definitely think the new Eous sections are a pretty good replacement for the TV mode, and the Pale Void even further assuaged my fears. It can't do everything TV mode could, but that's because it's a different medium, everything will have tradeoffs regardless. I will still miss it though, because that mix of casual old school dungeon crawling and high energy combat is what drew me to ZZZ in the first place. I don't enjoy the feeling of just being "all go all the time." So I hope they can add some more "casual" side missions using Eous and the Pale Void mechanics.
One idea they could do is have battle areas to venture around in similar to Final Fantasy X-2. That way it's not exactly open world, but can still be a place to roam around and interact with NPCs before going to the dangerous areas to battle Ethereals.
I definitely think that ZZZ would really benefit from a reduction of material farming requiring the “battery charge” system. I find it really limiting as I can easily burn through all my battery charge in less than 10 minutes and then be stuck progressing an agent for the day. My solution would be to incorporate a mode similar to the “Monster Hunter” series where you can go out to different large locales (or in this case parts of hollows like the pale wasteland event that we just got) and be able to hunt down high threat ethereals to fight for some varried but slightly randomized loot drops (ex. Hunting the Dead End Butcher would drop random amounts of dennies, ether chips, and ether plating) Basically allowing casual players who wish to progress a pretty slow yet viable option to engage in without having to go through the mess of hollow zero for vary limited/specific rewards.
As a player, I have to admit that my primary motivations are exploration, expression, traversal, and detail.
I like smelling the roses. This also means that, unfortunately, I landed in the wrong game with Zenless (but it was my first, so I had to start somewhere). The fact is, I love the world and I like the gameplay. But the gameplay is never asking anything of me, the player. I either show up with an optimized build and let it do its thing, or I show up with my favorite champions and struggle. The combat is endlessly flashy, but it ultimately feels like whether I can pass a rudimentary skill check with "the build everyone recommends"
I should be playing Genshin. I'm drawn to it, but more attached to the game that I started playing since Day 1. The fear of fomo is crippling there, and I feel like it can't be salvaged if I start now. In addition to that, I prefer an urban aesthetic to the fantasy one on a gut level, though I'm open to both.
On the other hand, it looks like either Ananta or NTE is going to give me everything that I want. So looking forward to those releases.
I'd rather ZZZ be the enduring property here with its proven world, music, narrative, but it's going to come down to what player motivations each of these entries seeks to address.
the TV is still in exploration quest, at least you can rush those quest and let Fairy collect all the reward
Started playing zzz a week ago. 1.4 definitely drew me in. Loving the experience so far but I'm already at the point in HSR where there is nothing to do. I want there to be stuff to do in this game and as a new player there is. I just don't want that to run out.
I enjoy the hub world style they have with ZZZ versus the open world format of GI and HSR. Everything is more streamlined for a casual player that way in my opinion. There's still some stuff to discover like the lost mini cargo boxes or seeing NPCs just out and about. But I believe you said it in a previous video or it was another ZZZ content creator who stated that ZZZ is great for players who of the Persona series of games. It really does have that persona feel without the rigid time constraints of a calendar outside of the time of day for side missions and events. But you have full control of the day/night cycle. So there is never any pressure if you missed something at a specific time of day.
I do agree the combat is a major pull for ZZZ. It's flashy, easy to get into, yet it has just enough behind the scenes for a casual player to want to build a character with little effort invested. Especially with the introduction of the special training program that was brought in with this recent patch. I've been using it and it certainly has made it easier for me in figuring out what I'm missing and by how much. Really helps optimize my battery usage which I feel like some people might appreciate.
As one of the few people who enjoyed the tv mode, I will admit that playing as Eous in the hollows has been an absolute blast and I fully agree that the game is better for it. I am happy they haven't removed it in it's entirety though. I can't exactly explain why I like the tv mode. I think it evokes classic dungeon crawler crpg vibes for me. Which kind of feels right up ZZZ's vibe.
I feel like Hoyo is cooking something for ZZZ. Especially after the way the story concluded in this patch. I'm sure they aren't gonna want to let this game flounder. I think they truly believe in the product and want to do right by the fandom. But at the end of the day it is a business. But I'm hopeful.
Personally, although people like not having an open world in ZZZ, the game just doesn't show the urban appeal that I love so much. I would recommend replacing the loading screen with say, using the car to get around the city, but you can only drop it off at the existing playable zones. Of course that'll be some hell of a work for the devs, but it would help with the immersion intensely. Also, the character interaction is so good, I want to see more of that, ESPECIALLY a selfie mode for the playable characters aside from the proxy. I don't have an idea on improving the game structure itself, but if I had to say something, then I'd like an easier way to do world quests and missions on the HDD.
i loved the video and agreed to everything,i suggest getting a better camera like a 1080p 60fps one because it looks weird changing from good gameplay to bad camera
The best thing that I love about ZZZ is that it respects my time. If I only do the dailies, it'll only take like 8-15mins tops. But even if there is weeklies or events to do, it'll only take 15-30mins which isn't every day.
I remember complaining on the Genshin subreddit about how broken my account is. Most of my characters are under-leveled even though I've dropped the world level (surprising how far you can go if you have enough food to heal). I went through a daily grind and managed to level up my main 5 or so but it takes so long. Everybody said Genshin is the easiest and I don't know what I'm talking about.
Now ZZZ has come out and has stolen my heart because I can give a few hours every day and feel satisfied. I can play a few "world" quests and actually make noticeable progress. Even with a not so optimized account, I can decide to play or grind, or both.
Every time i open Genshin i just remember the mountain of quests i haven't done and feel like changing server and starting from scratch just so that i dont feel the pressure.
Hoyo has found the best balance with ZZZ.
i'm very much satisfied for ZZZ's current position, the amount of quality of life changes are amazing.
For someone that come and stick with GFL/PNC, ZZZ feels just right. As a weeb I tried quite a lot of anime gacha games.
A game that need me to login 20 mins max daily, have event/update from time to time that continue the story or give some side story/content for fun, and have you slowly grind in your own pace. I was just describing GFL/PNC but it can apply to ZZZ too. This game strike to give you a chill experience like how MC experience, while some really really challenging content to people that want the adrenaline rush from time to time. Although the weekly grind is little bit annoying, but glad they also try to make it fun by changing it up.
if the leaks are anything to go by the casual side is going to be the bangboo fall guys “collab” that its going to have. I think that is a brilliant choice as it is a tried and true game play for casuals and it’s not really hard to make since the crude geometric shape is actually a style choice rather than a limitation.
I think Arcade has more potential of attracting the casual audience by introducing more minigames to it and it already has the leaderboards and the fall guys like approach with the bangboos was also good, so if they just add multiplayer to it and make game modes around that can also work. The recent bangboo tower defence was also nice. with all these I'm very excited to see what devs do in the future.
(I need the arcade like bike race similar to the Sons of Calydon story, straight up add Mario cart in game)
What i like about ZZZ is that i dont need to log on more than an hour for my weekly/dailies. Story wise its good, goofy and comedic but can be serious.
The last thing i want from it is to have something todo that would reduce my rest time.
If were talking about improvements, i want the arcade to add more things. Its something neglible now. Maybe add some of the past events like the one with Miyabi where Eos walks around a map collecting coins. Its fun and very challenging since i lack the ability to control it perfectly. Or maybe make some side weeklies where WiseBelle would work outside and do side jobs.
I think you're statement at the end was perfect. ZZZ is a perfect "second gacha." I like that the story segments aren't too long every update, but still feel like an ongoing narrative. I like that I spend ~10 minutes at most doing dailies. The side events are still long and have a lot of dialogue, but I skip the unvoiced stuff as it doesn't seem to expand upon characterization. HSR is in a middle ground between Genshin and ZZZ, and I enjoy the areas in that game as well. I'm sick of open worlds in games in general, so I'm glad Hoyo has been making more intentionally designed spaces.
This games balancing is SO CREATIVE. Dude, deadly assault not relying on your damage but your skill is amazing! The new TV mode removal is also really good it’s just sooo fucking good
0:48 Thank you. This is EXACTLY how I felt about TV mode. The issue was always going to be that any of the interesting TV gameplay would really need to be tricky puzzles. Hoyo, ofc, can't do this because they want their game to appeal to as many people as possible. So what you ended up with was an easy and boring game mode.
Personally I didn't hate the concept of TV's, but telling story through them, and padding gameplay with them, really was the part I didn't l ike.
In a dev talk, they talked about expanding the city areas sounding like making it a bit more open world like, were there would be more interactions between you, your agents and NPCs. But that wont come any time soon. They seem to add both type of content at the same time, it's just that the casual content have no repeatable content like the late game has. It would be pretty hard to get casual content repeatable while not becoming too boring, managing the store and such tasks could become too repetitive after a while.
I would love more story driven content, maybe just create small stories every other week, doesn't have to be voiced or animated, this game is pretty good at telling a story with just text.
I can definitely agree with you there. Back during the wait for 1.4 I completed basically everything in the game as of 1.3, basically had nothing to do other than a few arcade achievements and filling out the last few entires of Ray’s Research Log. So, I started a second account :P But I’m basically back in the same boat now this far into 1.4
I feel pretty much the same as you on the whole TV mode issue. I was a supporter, and was sad to see it go… but what we’ve gotten in its place has absolutely been an improvement. The devs are cooking, that’s for sure. My biggest surprise, and a reason why I felt like there isn’t a ton to do, is that there were barely any side commissions this time around. There were 2 I think? Don’t get me wrong, there’ve been a ton of fun events, plus Deadly Assault and Lost Void are super fun, but the core commission system is kinda just gone with TV mode I guess. I felt like that was a big part of “rebuilding our reputation as a Proxy”, so where go?
Overall I’m very happy with ZZZ, it’s my first Gacha and I’ve been having a blast. It really feels like the devs are in tune with the fanbase here, which is very nice, I adore the characters, the combat has been awesome. So I really do hope the game keeps doing well, cause I’m having fun with it, and with these videos :D
The lack of side commissions is exactly what I've been worried about from the moment they decided to leave tv mode behind.
As much as it was a neat way to tell a story, it also must have been a huge time saver when it comes to developing missions. No need to make a bunch of 3d environments or animate NPCs when you can just use the pre-existing tv screens to build out a whole level basically using blocks.
Even if the new content we got to replace it is fun, I'm worried we'll just be getting a whole lot less content overall going forward, at least in terms of playable levels
@@jacksquatch9764 I agree with you 100%, I do miss commissions, honestly it’s a simple thing that feels like it makes sense as part of our Proxy work.
Honestly I see zzz as more of an animated book with progression
I still think that the course correcting sanded off a lot of the edges, and while that might've made for a better game in the end, it is a much less unique and interesting one. I'm not going to pretend like the TV mode wasn't implemented horribly, but it was that presentation that initially drew me in, as it felt quite different from everything else. I don't think I would've ever picked the game up in its current form, and would've missed out on what I still think is by far mihoyo's best output to date.
I just hope the Devs find their unique direction again, instead of making the game even more bland through trying to satisfy everyone. Be it the TV mode, the combat system rework, allowing you to switch to agents in the overworld or effectively removing the time management aspect from the game, they're all mostly changes towards a more approachable and stress free experience, but they also feel like the original building blocks of the game's identity that seems somewhat lost to me at the moment.
Making an open world game poses another problem: you have to make it full, alive and interesting. This is something that can lower overall quality of an otherwise good game. I'm sure I'm not the only one to ends up just spamming fast travel to get things done in an open world game so I'm glad ZZZ doesn't have this one extra thing that might become a single point of failure
ZZZ is "open" enough to have fun interactions with NPC. Still it's missing the freedom of expresion that Genshin has. Climbing, flying, swiming, attacking.
A open world like nier automata would be cool, small maps with things to do and enemies to kill.
Something like a city map full of side activities and a hollow free roam with random events. Being able to earn some form of currency or materials from an activity that you can do regardless of energy would be nice, something like the miscelaneous quests from skyrim, where they give small rewards and are more like an excuse to keep playing.
ZZZ is my first Gatcha and I started on it on the 2nd January after being bombarded with Burnice music recommendations.
It's been fun so far, just hit Inter-Knot Lv28 and managed to get Miyabi in 30 pulls. Sitting with a Section 6 team with Miyabi, M3 Soukaku and Harumasa as my primary squad.
The only thing that has been annoying for me is that outside of getting Ben (Just got him today), I don't have any Fire characters at all, I've got pretty much all Ice and Electric characters which as you can imagine can fall short on missions with hard enemies with resistances. Not being able to get Burnice for who knows how long makes me real sad too.
The game probably needs to at least allow you to have a balanced team that can cover any mission while being either F2P or minimal investment. (I'm what you call a goldfish lol)
i definitely stuck with zzz because they adjusted the TV mode, but also because i already liked the combat and it makes for a really nice 2nd or 3rd gacha game for me. I know that there's the arcade and a few other bits like the "dating" that isn't combat centric that some casuals do like, but i also definitely agree that more casual/nongamer focused things should be added to draw in more
Agree, hope they will manage to the find and develop to the point that players happy to play and consuming in long term.
Actually I choose to play ZZZ because it don't use much time as playing Genshin. But sometimes also feel bore and lazy to play. I also feel it still missing something.
I already have an open world game in genshin so im quite pleased at how zzz isnt. I do hope we get more mini games like Eous doing puzzles and stuff
Well, to be fair ZZZ was the top performing title for Hoyoverse in the month of December. 2nd overall gacha revenue after Love and Deep Space. So it seems 1.4 fixed some of the "floundering" issues you were talking about. Granted this might be a one off because of Miyabi. It's still great that they revamped the new player experience, and they do seem to really care and listen to feedback. I have high hopes for the future of ZZZ. Right now it feels like the most experimental major title and it's been mostly W's so far.
The TV mode was there as a cost-cutting measure, allowing mihoyo to create levels cheaply, without much in the way of 3D art, level design, etc, so that the budget the game had allocated to it can be spent on the things that matter - combat gameplay and characters. Even the story presentation is done cheaper than HSR for example, as they cut the corners of having the characters standing in a 3D space for a lot of the dialogue scenes. The changes mean ZZZ has had more budget allocated to it, which is thanks to its success. I assume the game exceeded hoyo's expectations for a fully original IP that's also quite different tonally from what they've done already.
So it's not that the game was struggling and it had to get fixed - the game simply had more money put towards it, so now they can make the Eous sections full levels with 3D puzzles, and proper interactions.