Honestly, when I saw Evelyn was a fire dps, I was sad that everyone was gonna drop S11 for her. But after a bit, I realized that I could just steal Evelyn's W-Engine for S11, so now I'm saving polys for Evelyn's banner now.
ehhh...with the first beta patch, her Wengine is already quite a bit weaker for S11. And it's likely to become even more tailored to Evelyn as more neta patches come along. I'm gonna be doing the opposite, and running Eve with Brimstone.
@@BenAhya Ah, I haven't looked into any leaks so I didn't know that's how the W-Engine works. But if I use Koleda or Lighter since they can stun fast, then I think it'll still work.
@@andreluizpereiraleite3526 I don't have S11 but I really want her because fire is so cool! and that makes me wonder whether I should save for Evelyn or just pull more 50 times to get the 300 pulls in normal banner... haizzzz
@@Fuyuka69 what most people recommend is not spending polys on the standart banner, as you can get their characters anyway with enough time, since theres also the chance of you getting them in the limited banner too. For meta, the better option is problaby to pull evelyn if you are in need of a fire dps (since limited character are mostly stronger) But you can still save polys for another limited character and wait a bit until you get to the character selector, so you can still get s11 and another character that might be good alongside her! (Like ceasar or lighter)
“Meta this, Meta that, have you ever met a GIRL before!?” ~Senator Armstrong Fr though I am getting Astra. I don’t even care about whether or not she’s a meta pick.
I wanted S11 since the beginning and I never got her. Burnice and Lucy helped me fulfill my fire damage needs and now we will get Evelyn. Honestly, I don't think I want Soldier 11 anymore lmao. It would be cruel though, if I lost Eve's 50/50 to S11...
Honestly the overlapping on roles is the most frustrating part of the game so far. There are 5 elements (Fire Elec Ice Phys Ether )(no Miyabi doesn't count) and 5 classes (Attack Anomaly Defence Stun Support) 25 total Element and Class combinations. The game launched with 17 characters that already had 3 overlaps (Corrin, Billy, and Nekomata are all Physical Attack) Since then we've had 9 new characters, with 2 more coming up for 11 total, and from that list 3 are already overlaps with existing roles if you just consider S ranks (Lighter > Koleda, Yanagi > Grace, and then Evelyn > Soldier 11) and a full *S E V E N* are overlaps if you consider both A and S ranks. So even with the new characters after overlaps we're only at 19 out of the possible 25 element/class combinations. Evelyn, as a body guard, could have been a perfect defence unit. Yes I'm incredibly bitter about Solider 11 for how much she carried me early.
If she kept the same element but was a defence unit, then it's an overlap with Ben since he's fire defence. Since Astra is an ether support, then Evelyn being an ether support would've been a unique combination, especially since Zhu Yuan, Nicole, and soon Astra are the only ether units so far
You also forgot to mention that only 2 characters have the Ether element. It's like the ZZZ team is scared of adding one more Ether unit to the game where the majority of the game has a weakness to that element
@justnormaluser_3758 I do agree to an extent. One of the things that I could have included when I said "there's 25 character combinations" Is that the number could go up to 50 if you think about there being on and off field characters for every one of those 25 combinations. With Lighter vs Koleda being a perfect example here. But I think that on vs off field is a much smaller distinction between element/class, so I focused on that.
I'm pretty sure that the ZZZ devs are knowingly releasing a lot of dps units for various reasons: 1)The game is still fairly new and new players are constantly entering the game. Nothing is more important to a new player's account than a good dps to carry through all the early/mid-game content that can also scale well into end game. While I like the A-rank dps in this game let's be honest here they are mostly a handicap in end game and are very dependent on good drive-discs and mechanics especially in timed content like shiyu defense (Not to say that you can't clear with them but that in no way are they comparable to their S-rank counterparts in terms of comfort). 2) With the new game mode that just released in order to full clear all end-game content 3 teams are now necessary. Not just 3 slap dash teams but 3 Invested teams that are well built and that you have some familiarity with. Two teams used to be the minimum before and that's not to say that in the future there won't be a new game mode that would require 4 or 5 teams worth of characters but regardless of the amount of teams necessary to clear content the most important character to have built up in any team would almost always be the dps of so that the team is actually able to function without falling apart due to lack of damage. In order to build several dps you have to actually own several dps. 3) Dps characters just sell better. People like big numbers and while supportive characters can enable big numbers in the end it's the dps that creates them hence they get all the love. 4) Supports tend to to break the game around them if they end up being too good. Caesar is a good generic support character that any team can run hence whenever you see team building guides she will almost always be a recommended pick, that being said she's not so strong that devs have had to balance the game around her existence (yet) because she can only be in one team at a time. Now imagine a future where enough Caesar level supports exist that every team can run at least one in each, now the dev team will have to power creep all enemies else all the content becomes too trivial which means all the weaker supports and dps characters get left behind.
Having Caesar and Nicole makes me wonder if I will ever need to pull for supports again beyond their look, but then again, imagine playing with the main dps, Astra AND Nicole as well? wheeew
Same thoughts also have Caesar M0S1 and M6S5 Nicole but Astra's the very first limited S rank support. We all know when an agent was the very first from their element, rarity and role. They're freaking busted like Caesar and Miyabi and there might be another end game where we need at least 3 proper teams just like we have now or maybe they'll make it 4 teams as a requirement, we'll never know. I plan on making Caesar x Nagi team 1, Astra x Miyabi team 2 and Zhu Yuan x Lyc x Nicole team 3. The rest will be a prep for a potential team 4 if needed. Astra's kit is very strong but it's not finalized yet so it's still early to decide. Let's just wait and save for now.
@@nkoonkukoo for now, not really. For future end games, probably yes. As the game progresses, they'll release endgames that'll need a proper team with a good support to be able to clear it just like the tower. Always choose universal ones tho.
If I had a solid fire team I probably wouldn’t touch the new character. But I want more supports too as I start fleshing out end game teams. Either way. ZZZ is fantastic
I'll probably just stick with Soldier 11 since i have her M1 already, decently built and the Brimstone. Seems the game just wanted me to play Soldier 11. I also have Koleda as well
I myself have no real plan on getting any of the 1.5 characters...yet. I don't really searching for characters because they are meta, I do it because I like the character hence I didn't get Jane. My new goal is to get Ellen when she re runs. As my initial goal was Ellen and Miyabi, just happened to like every character since Casear.
Because the defense force is a significant organization like HAND is, my theory is that a big reason we've yet to hear anything about the rest of Obol Squad, is likely that one of their members is a void hunter.
Even if one of their members is a void hunter and they can't drop another void hunter so shortly after Miyabi, there should still be two more members who probably aren't void hunters, and they could totally release one of them after half a year imo
I like that theory. S11 is similar so Soukaku in that she’s the only member of her team released way ahead of the others. I always felt S11 is the leader of her Obol Squad, but if you assume a void hunter is the leader then S11 might be her team’s Anby. If that’s the case we’re probably going to have to wait 6 months to a year before we start getting their members and story.
Skipping Evelyn snince my soldiers 11 is well-built and can still clear shiyu with no problem. Interested in astra and depending on how good she is, i might pull her for.
evelyn literally ties enemies up and beats them down, at this point she can perform worse than yellow anby i'm still replacing her spice addicted ass this is qingyi vs jane all over again
Soldier's closest saving grace could be if Eve has a relatively poor ult modifier. If we get a dedicated ult and decibel buffer, Soldier might be buffed harder with her higher ult mod (I think it's still the highest among Attackers). Also still believe Attackers being worse off in comparison after the ult change is overblown and unironic gameplay skill issue on players part. If your gameplay means your attacker only gets one ult, adjust your gameplay.
I'd honestly be surprised if Astra is not better than Nicole in every way possible. Astra is the first limited 5* support: Hoyoverse is going to want to make as much money with her as they can.
For me i always pull depending on a few factios: *Pull for a character that will become the main star of a new team. *Pull a character that will compliment one of my main teams. Since i right now have a Zhu Yuan team and a Miyabi team. Both which feel very much complete. I am more looking for a new character to make an entire team out of.
While pulling for Miyabi I lost the 50/50 to S11 (then proceeded to pull miyabi on the next 10) and I'll say just this: even if she's going to stay benched forever, at least it wasn't nekomata
Can you keep your fingers crossed so that the same will happen to me too? It would be even better than winning 50/50 with just one additional 10 pull needed.
When Grant Gustin took the picture over Oliver Queen’s grave, I don’t think he ever realized he had made a meme that would be used for such a wide variety of situations for such a long time to come. It’s so good lol
Astra is a meta waifu and Evelyn is a mega waifu. I’m almost certainly pulling for Astra first. Evelyn, while her gameplay leaks and design look a little better to me, I will pull Astra first. Astra sounds so universally useful and meta, plus I still think she is hot…just not as hot as Evelyn. If I get lucky with Astra pulls and win 5050 and get her early I will not pull weapons and just go for Evelyn.
Fr, honestly I'm gonna skip miyabi's w-engine just for a chance to get them both (miyabi is destroying everything anyway). I'm tempted to get evelyn first because whip mommy, but Astra looks too good to miss out on (especially since I'm caesar-less), so I'll probably start with her.
@ it took me 170 pulls to get Miyabi and I only pay for the cheap things. It was rough and a bit frustrating. I am set on not becoming a whale even if I could technically do it a little. I’d rather be responsible with my money. This is why I pretty much never pull for engines. Now that we can walk around as our characters, getting a character has more weight to it.
7:39 Oh no! You got me! Started building S11 for the sake of 3rd team (came clutch with new endgame mode ngl) and I also have Koleda and Lighter. Evelyn reveal is my first "gooner" moment but now I feel bad for ditching S11 one day... but going to have as much fun with her as I can before Eve comes home.
After skipped qingyi, i hope astra yao work with zhu yuan as currently i really need more damage booster for her team, caesar is nice but she stun slower than actual stunner (with my current team being zhu, caesar+ nicole)
Astra, Nicole, on field Zhu Yuan. Please make my dream come true, Hoyo. ZY is still my favorite char in the game. I want a way to use her on field more and excuses to pull her mindscapes.
That is also the reason why I did not pull for Qingyi or Jane because I have a good Anby and Piper. I will pull for Astra but skip on Evelyn most likely.
Soldier 11 was my most wanted character, but the game decided to give one Koleda and two furries. Now, I'm hearing Koleda will be good with Evelyn, so I guess it was a blessing in disguise all along.
Nah, that's just jstern meming by trying to make her sound good. The only buff she gives works only when the enemy is already stunned and she's around 50% worst than Lighter for Evelyn.
base on the leak i saw there moveset feel like Genshin magic for me rather than the urban ether tech from zzz. I know it's kinda weird from someone that love playing Miyabi, the movesets feel like they have too much particle effect. I prefer the huge ass ether canon brief case and blade with fire charge backpack more so likely a skip for me from both of them but i guess that more like a me thing
@@NonBinary_Star yea im more of a gameplay feeling guy.I simply skip Ceasar despite how meta she is simply because simple because her move feel gimmick to me. Then again i based my review on a leak so i could be wrong tho
@@KyberNaticI’m actually the opposite cuz even thought objectively her gameplay isn’t as good as other agents, controlling a staff character seems funny to me lol
Astra is probably the more future proof pull, given how Robin and Ruan Mei only increased in value over the course of HSR and how good Lucy, Nicole and Caesar already are. Evelyn is undercut by the fact that I already have a good fire team with Burnice too. So yeah, probably going to prioritize Astra, unless Evelyn's kit convinces me otherwise.
I would love it if every banner was like what we have now with both limited characters running the full 6 weeks, but I agree it seems more like a special situation bc Haramasa is free and they know most people were going to want to skip for Miyabi anyways.
My read is about the same as yours; Astra will likely be the meta choice between the two. But… GOD Evelyn is so pretty. Like it’s ridiculous. And she seems to be voiced by one of my favorite VAs, Elizabeth Maxwell. Why must I already have fire covered by Burnice and S11! On a slightly related note; the Astral Voice disc set technically has a higher ceiling for its buff than Swing Jazz, with three stacks of Astral granting a 24% buff vs Swing Jazz’s 15%. Swing Jazz is still a lot easier to set up though, so I’ll probably stick with it.
I'm in the same boat. "If you're meta player you need to be insane to skip the first limited S-rank support that fits into any team comp unconditionally with 1500 ATK buff loaded with quick assists, otherwise you'll get tired of seeing her in every team comp recommendation". But oh boi they cooked with Evelyn. Ultimate with armpit zoom followed by whole length thigh and leg zoom. Chain attack with giant spandex ass in your face. Fingers explosion followed by accentuated booba shake. Astra is an innocent class rep and Evelyn is a sex predator at this point, who can give Jane a fair fight.
Standard banners getting powercrept is normal, the whole point of standard banner units is to give players options for teams early on as people haven't built up the capital and investment to pull limited units
To all the people saying "oh, it's a gscus game, standard units are going to be power crept" it's not the blanket fact that power creepings going on. It's the fact that it's happening so damn FAST. By the time Evelyn and Yao's set to release, it would be just HALF A YEAR and all of the standard 5 stars would be power crept. Either directly power crept (Evelyn - S11, Yanagi - Grace, Lighter - Koleda) or indirectly (Lighter - Lycaon, Jane Doe - Neko, Yao - Rina, hell Miyabi - Ellen)
@@uperpie Pull your head out of your rear. All of those units are still great and are just as awesome as before... you can clear just fine and comfortably so with them. "OH NO I CANNOT CLEAR SHIYU IN 30s! It's NOW 40s! REEEE! POWER CREEP!"
Right now planning on waiting for more info on them and either choosing to pull for them or go for M1 Miyabi since have 13 pulls + over 9000 Polychromes already after getting Miabiy and her weapon Evelyn is sort of more tempting because no fire DPS on account, though could get once I get 32 more standard tapes though honestly right now feeling like picking up Rina instead(since currently only missing of said selection Solider 11, rina and Nekomiya) and I have Rina and Neko W engines so they do sort of make more sense even if missing a fire DPS.
I'm so torn because I lost my 50/50 and I have Ellen (w-engin plus 2 mindscapes) with the standard ice team, so I don't know if it's best to leave her and get the 1.5 characters or chase the pity before the banner finishes.
If you are talking about Miyabi, it is better for you to skip imo. There are many posibilities in what 1.5 has to offer, and I personally don't enjoy miyabi that much despite her strength. I still find myself on-fielding Yanagi way more often in my desorder team(Love Nagi), and i'm not thinking about inserting miyabi by herself on any other team because I don't really like her gameplay. Besides, none of us are left with empty hands: Harumasa is not only free but fun. More fun personally than miyabi. If you already have an Ice team, you should build Haru and skip Miyabi and go for 1.5 banners. I didn't have a complete disorder team so that's why I pulled Miyabi, but If I had your option I would take it. Hope you find this helpful
@gabrieleduardoronlezama7757 thanks for the tip, I have a disorder team with Jane Caesar and burnice so I usually swap to that when I don't use my ice team, and I have lighter but I didin't build him. Now I need a good team for electric and fire so I think it's better for me to just wait for 1.5 (I can't even pull bcs I have every A rank maxed). I'm a low spender so now I gotta take advantage of those extra pull that I gained with offers this week.
From what I hear the banner change is supposed to happen to all 3 games, and it wasn't announced as an event like HSR's triple rerun event, so it should be permanent
Gonna wait for more info on them before I make a hard call, but if Astra does work with everyone I might pick her up. I didn't pick up Zhu Yuan, so my ether selection is kinda lackluster. At the same time, I do have Koleda and Lucy. Evelyn could slot into a nice fire team. However, I am going to have my free S rank for 300 pulls on the standard banner coming up. I could just get Soldier 11 from that and then get Astra. Obviously, Soldier 11 won't be as powerful as Evelyn, but she'd be good enough to give me a nice fire team for when I need one (like the current Deadly Assault.)
I think I've mentioned my S11, lighter, lucy team here before (I think) and Evelyn is going to need to be an absolute monster to convince me to pull her
As a thigh lover I will pull for Astra Yao. Also I have already Soldier 11 and at the rate I loose my 50/50 she will probably be M2 before 2.0. So Evelyn will only be at best a sidegrade.
I planned out 3 teams of mine and now I'm waiting on Qingyi and Ceasar's reruns Will probably pick up Astra (Qingyi/Astra/Zhu Yuan sounds hype), and Evelyn will need to really knock my socks off to get my attention. I am a S11 haver after all
For me whether or not I pull for Astra depends entirely on if Ellen gets a rerun in 1.5, I lost the 50/50 on her first time round and couldn’t get her so I need her when she’s back. And I’ve already decided to pull for Evelyn because she looks sick as hell 😩
That's a very specific prediction for Evelyn's ult 👀. I think Astra will be a must pull for me, Evelyn may be a yolo pull depending on whoever comes after.
Honestly i wouldn't drop Solider 11 just yet. I thought with Miyabi now out my Ellen wouldn't see any use on my account anymore but with the new endgame mode Deadly Assult where we currently have 2 bosses with Ice weakness i couldn't be more wrong. So in the future where we need 2 Fire dmg dealers Soldier 11 will still see usage.
Pretty diabolical to release the first limited support agent right after Miyabi, along with a very tempting fire DPS. In trying times like these we need every polychrome we can get our hands on... There were a bunch of new codes released with 1.4 for those who didn't see them yet: ZZZASSEMBLE MIYABIRELEASE HARUMASAFREE ZZZFM HSAHLWFEFE between them they netted me 240 poly just now 👍
I'm glad Evelyn is a Fire Attacker. Soldier has cool design, and aolid kit for a newbie player, but if youre even somewhat skilled at this game, her gameplay feels very basic with little room for skill expression. I also still don't have a copy, and I dont want to use my selector on her.
I chose S11 out of the 300 standard banner pulls... S11 definitely came out way too early. She doesn't even have her final friendship mission to max out her friend level. I think it's a shame to see a new fire attack agent when we already have one. But I'll definitely get Evelyn.
I wonder what the deal is with Soldier 11 being added ao early and seems to be last to get any finished content. I wonder if something happened during development or if there is a good story related reason for this
I got fire agents but not as DPS but I can work around that ( I don't have the following Fire agents --> S11 and Lighter ). As for ( Ether Element ) I only have Nicole so.... you know were I'm going with this 😂😅
Saw a leak of Evelyn walking, reminded me of my main Jane… instantly will pull for her and m6 her like Jane and support characters are a automatic pull , never needed miyabi so I won’t pull for her
Man, this kinda sucks for me. I left right before Burnice's release and only came back with Miyabi and Harumasa. Issue is that I pulled Miyabi early, and now I have a ton of Polychrome from all the content I missed, and I don't care for Astra or Evelyn... I would love to have pulled for Yanagi, Burnice or Lighter for my Miyabi. But it looks like from the leaks, the reruns for these guys are really far away. The only ones we have leaked are Ellen and Zhu Yuan
I was always complaining how I never pulled Soldier 11 and had literally no fire DPS other than Ben until I got a lucky draw on Burnice. I guess the good thing about it is that I don't have to say goodbye to Soldier 11 now because I never said hello 😅 In terms of waifu pick I would still prefer S11 over Evelyn, but I got a lucky draw on Burnice, so... 🤤
I have M6 Nicole, so Astra’s value is severely diminished. I never snagged Solder 11, so I’m definitely going to pull for Evelyn. But the rumor is retuning banners are hitting with the next update: Astra/Ellen & Evelyn/Zhu Yuan. I grabbed Ellen and lost 50/50 for Zhu Yuan. Now I’m struggling to decide how to pull as an ALG. Hopefully saving since Miyabi’s release will bring me luck, but I’m up for a 50/50 next S-rank pull.
With the addition of these new characters, is hard for me as a F2P to think of who should i pull after getting Miyabi, i mean, is there any character better than her? Is there any character COOLER than her? Will it ever exist one? The answer is simple, no. So i'll save for M6 on her rerun and that's my only goal.
I lost my 50/50 to soldier 11 twice now already, so I just use her with Burnice and Lucy. Also Astra is the way more obvious waifu pick to me, especially with that hang out quest we got with her. (Also I just prefer her design way more)
I'm basically for d to skip next patch due to M6'ing Miyabi. Sure the characters look good; but I trust ZZZ to make good looking new characters by now. It's not like S11 or Nicole are doing poorly rn either (Especially since I lost 2 50/50s to S11 (now M4) pulling for Miyabi). So I think I'll let them keep their jobs for now.
I'm probably going to pull for evelyn when the next patch rolls around simply because I don't have S11 yet and I'd rather have a guarantee to get her rather than fighting against RNG and hoping for S11 on standard tbh I'm lacking in fire agents so it's more ideal for me than astra, especially because I missed burnice and lighter LMAO
One of my biggest complaints about this game for a long time has been the way they have chosen to do limited character design and I mean that in multiple ways. But specifically to what this video is talking about I hate that half of our limited characters have been element/role combinations that we already have in the game. As early as 1.1 with Jane and Qingyi, we were already getting overlap characters (Piper and Anby respectively). Every other patch we get characters that are arguably power creep characters on existing standard banner characters. At this point, half the standard banner S-ranks have already been overlapped (Grace, Koleda, and now Soldier 11). Honkai had one limited character that overlapped a standard character in all of version 1 and it wasn't until version 2 that they started getting more and even then only one of the standard 5 stars has been overlapped. It would be less frustrating in ZZZ if it weren't for the fact that the roster is still so lopsided. We are finally getting a new Ether character and they are essentially replacing Nicole. We have 7 electric and fire characters as of Evelyn and will still have only 3 Ether and 4 Ice characters. Its like certain elements and roles they just forget existing.
Powercreep only affects people who decide to be pathetic meta slaves like yourself and have no self control. Us other people, who have actual brains, will carry on using the standards because they clear everything, not be useless slaves swayed by numbers AND pull for the characters we like the look of :)
If S11 is Yoimiya level at current game state, I would be upset. But new stronger fire dps doesn't make her weak anyway, she's still doing her job. And with Miyabi+Astra draining your pulls...
Only interested in Evelyn, but I keep reading that Astra is a healer unit with her Ultimate. Is this bs? I skipped Caesar and it's the only regret I have due to her survivability boost for end game. I dont want to make the same mistake again. I don't have the time or energy to get good.
so far evelyn is kind of shit unfortunately. its not just her damage being mid her kit seems clunky and borderline unusable if the enemy is aggressive or you don't have caesar. which considering the most notable fire weak enemy we have is insanely aggressive that makes evelyn feel terrible. there is also not a single set in the game that actually feels right for her all of them have significant downsides.
Yeah I got s11 and her wengine early and built her up to try out with burnice, but dropping her for Eveyln drip. Plus I'm betting she's gonna be easier to pilot than s11 so that's a no brainer for my boomer hands haha
Problaby yes! She is quite a good agent and she can be your character for fire weakness stages! (But still, you need to see if you like playing her, so problaby test her a bit before doing that!)
@@THET1RAMISU Since you were an ass for no reason, you should pull. I'm just saying this so yo uwill have less pulls and have to swipe and thus risk bankruptcy. Some one gives you straight facts, then you spit in their face? Nah. Pull. You need to pull because you need power. You need meta. You don't want to be a loser, right? Pull. Spend money also, when you lose the fifty fifty. Just keep pulling for M6. Trust. She's the best unit...
Maybe its a skill issue on my part, but I couldn't clear deadly assount with a well built Soldier 11, Ceasar and Lucy. Can't even break the A rank on Pompey which is suposed to be a good matchup
On the note of Anby and Soldier 11, I would love if 2.0 later down the line has their story finally unfold
Oh yeah dont they have a kind of relation or sum thing like that?
I can't wait to find out a bit more about their backstories.
@@justasleepyfool its not confirmed but they look really similar even including their weapons and ult animations + anby never talks about her past
@itssliamm 😎ok👍
And then we get a S rank Anby
Honestly, when I saw Evelyn was a fire dps, I was sad that everyone was gonna drop S11 for her. But after a bit, I realized that I could just steal Evelyn's W-Engine for S11, so now I'm saving polys for Evelyn's banner now.
You dropped your hat, Satan.
ehhh...with the first beta patch, her Wengine is already quite a bit weaker for S11. And it's likely to become even more tailored to Evelyn as more neta patches come along. I'm gonna be doing the opposite, and running Eve with Brimstone.
her w-engine is very niche tho as it need to trigger chain attack frequently which only evelyn can do it
@@BenAhya Ah, I haven't looked into any leaks so I didn't know that's how the W-Engine works. But if I use Koleda or Lighter since they can stun fast, then I think it'll still work.
You should pull Astra to buff your S11
With the ult changes, Nicole just became even more crazy
So true
Average luck gamer: soldier 11 was the only standard banner 5 star attack agent at launch
Nekomata: sad cat noises
Literal mindblank.
@ fair I also always forget about nekomata especially since she’s the only standard 5 star I don’t have
Poor kitty just can't catch a break... at least I get her every time I lose a 50/50... "lucky" me. (M3 already)
As a Neko main, this hurt me when he said it
@@ArkwingIt's Ok, She'll help ya win, but lunch is on you
To be fair, if youre an s11 main, you're problaby going to keep using her anyway!
And nicole... cunning hares for the win!
As I went onto later in the video, it's not like she'll be unusable.
@@AverageLuckGamer makes sense! Its all about having fun after all!
Good luck on your pulls!
@@andreluizpereiraleite3526 I don't have S11 but I really want her because fire is so cool! and that makes me wonder whether I should save for Evelyn or just pull more 50 times to get the 300 pulls in normal banner... haizzzz
@@Fuyuka69 what most people recommend is not spending polys on the standart banner, as you can get their characters anyway with enough time, since theres also the chance of you getting them in the limited banner too.
For meta, the better option is problaby to pull evelyn if you are in need of a fire dps (since limited character are mostly stronger)
But you can still save polys for another limited character and wait a bit until you get to the character selector, so you can still get s11 and another character that might be good alongside her! (Like ceasar or lighter)
The only thing Nicole will have that Astra wont is the suckkysuck black hole which is such a powerful crowd control.
“Meta this, Meta that, have you ever met a GIRL before!?” ~Senator Armstrong
Fr though I am getting Astra. I don’t even care about whether or not she’s a meta pick.
I wanted S11 since the beginning and I never got her. Burnice and Lucy helped me fulfill my fire damage needs and now we will get Evelyn. Honestly, I don't think I want Soldier 11 anymore lmao.
It would be cruel though, if I lost Eve's 50/50 to S11...
Saying this with no ill intent, honestly that would be so hilarious due to how rich in irony it would be if it happens
Obol squad please save my girls soldier 11 😖🙏🏽
fingers crossed
Imagine if they give her a combination attack, like with koleda and Ben, with her Obal squad members like some team seal 6 formation type shit.
Next patch Evelyn will replace her... and takes her W- engine plus disk drives
@@azureknight729 bro that would be so sick, ain’t no 1 on 1’s in obol squad 😂
@Tik1_1 don’t say that 😭
Honestly the overlapping on roles is the most frustrating part of the game so far. There are 5 elements (Fire Elec Ice Phys Ether )(no Miyabi doesn't count) and 5 classes (Attack Anomaly Defence Stun Support)
25 total Element and Class combinations. The game launched with 17 characters that already had 3 overlaps (Corrin, Billy, and Nekomata are all Physical Attack)
Since then we've had 9 new characters, with 2 more coming up for 11 total, and from that list 3 are already overlaps with existing roles if you just consider S ranks (Lighter > Koleda, Yanagi > Grace, and then Evelyn > Soldier 11) and a full *S E V E N* are overlaps if you consider both A and S ranks.
So even with the new characters after overlaps we're only at 19 out of the possible 25 element/class combinations.
Evelyn, as a body guard, could have been a perfect defence unit.
Yes I'm incredibly bitter about Solider 11 for how much she carried me early.
If she kept the same element but was a defence unit, then it's an overlap with Ben since he's fire defence.
Since Astra is an ether support, then Evelyn being an ether support would've been a unique combination, especially since Zhu Yuan, Nicole, and soon Astra are the only ether units so far
@thekillrcraftr yeah she'd be overlapping with Ben, but I'm a little bit less annoyed by replacing A rank units with A ranks.
A bit less anyways.
You also forgot to mention that only 2 characters have the Ether element. It's like the ZZZ team is scared of adding one more Ether unit to the game where the majority of the game has a weakness to that element
but Koelda and lighter, Yanagi and grace have totally different playstyles. Ik what u mean and i partly agree
@justnormaluser_3758 I do agree to an extent.
One of the things that I could have included when I said "there's 25 character combinations" Is that the number could go up to 50 if you think about there being on and off field characters for every one of those 25 combinations. With Lighter vs Koleda being a perfect example here.
But I think that on vs off field is a much smaller distinction between element/class, so I focused on that.
I'm pretty sure that the ZZZ devs are knowingly releasing a lot of dps units for various reasons:
1)The game is still fairly new and new players are constantly entering the game. Nothing is more important to a new player's account than a good dps to carry through all the early/mid-game content that can also scale well into end game. While I like the A-rank dps in this game let's be honest here they are mostly a handicap in end game and are very dependent on good drive-discs and mechanics especially in timed content like shiyu defense (Not to say that you can't clear with them but that in no way are they comparable to their S-rank counterparts in terms of comfort).
2) With the new game mode that just released in order to full clear all end-game content 3 teams are now necessary. Not just 3 slap dash teams but 3 Invested teams that are well built and that you have some familiarity with. Two teams used to be the minimum before and that's not to say that in the future there won't be a new game mode that would require 4 or 5 teams worth of characters but regardless of the amount of teams necessary to clear content the most important character to have built up in any team would almost always be the dps of so that the team is actually able to function without falling apart due to lack of damage. In order to build several dps you have to actually own several dps.
3) Dps characters just sell better. People like big numbers and while supportive characters can enable big numbers in the end it's the dps that creates them hence they get all the love.
4) Supports tend to to break the game around them if they end up being too good. Caesar is a good generic support character that any team can run hence whenever you see team building guides she will almost always be a recommended pick, that being said she's not so strong that devs have had to balance the game around her existence (yet) because she can only be in one team at a time. Now imagine a future where enough Caesar level supports exist that every team can run at least one in each, now the dev team will have to power creep all enemies else all the content becomes too trivial which means all the weaker supports and dps characters get left behind.
crazy that we're getting a celebrity and her bodyguard and they made the bodyguard more attractive
Having Caesar and Nicole makes me wonder if I will ever need to pull for supports again beyond their look, but then again, imagine playing with the main dps, Astra AND Nicole as well? wheeew
Same thoughts also have Caesar M0S1 and M6S5 Nicole but Astra's the very first limited S rank support. We all know when an agent was the very first from their element, rarity and role. They're freaking busted like Caesar and Miyabi and there might be another end game where we need at least 3 proper teams just like we have now or maybe they'll make it 4 teams as a requirement, we'll never know.
I plan on making Caesar x Nagi team 1, Astra x Miyabi team 2 and Zhu Yuan x Lyc x Nicole team 3. The rest will be a prep for a potential team 4 if needed.
Astra's kit is very strong but it's not finalized yet so it's still early to decide. Let's just wait and save for now.
I feel like Supports are the best characters in this game. So not pulling for the latest one feels like a disadvantage.
@@nkoonkukoo for now, not really. For future end games, probably yes. As the game progresses, they'll release endgames that'll need a proper team with a good support to be able to clear it just like the tower. Always choose universal ones tho.
There’s no point in having 2 supports with dps over a stunner
I got M2 Soldier 11. I will slay god with her if I must.
mine is M3. and yeah, this is just a free skip ay
If I had a solid fire team I probably wouldn’t touch the new character. But I want more supports too as I start fleshing out end game teams. Either way. ZZZ is fantastic
I'll probably just stick with Soldier 11 since i have her M1 already, decently built and the Brimstone. Seems the game just wanted me to play Soldier 11. I also have Koleda as well
I myself have no real plan on getting any of the 1.5 characters...yet. I don't really searching for characters because they are meta, I do it because I like the character hence I didn't get Jane. My new goal is to get Ellen when she re runs. As my initial goal was Ellen and Miyabi, just happened to like every character since Casear.
learned never miss out on a support, esp a buffer, so im pulling astra
Because the defense force is a significant organization like HAND is, my theory is that a big reason we've yet to hear anything about the rest of Obol Squad, is likely that one of their members is a void hunter.
Even if one of their members is a void hunter and they can't drop another void hunter so shortly after Miyabi, there should still be two more members who probably aren't void hunters, and they could totally release one of them after half a year imo
I like that theory. S11 is similar so Soukaku in that she’s the only member of her team released way ahead of the others.
I always felt S11 is the leader of her Obol Squad, but if you assume a void hunter is the leader then S11 might be her team’s Anby.
If that’s the case we’re probably going to have to wait 6 months to a year before we start getting their members and story.
you called me out hard with the Evelyn quip at the end lol.
oh boy, as a Cake Yuen main I'm so going to pull Astra
Feel that
Skipping Evelyn snince my soldiers 11 is well-built and can still clear shiyu with no problem. Interested in astra and depending on how good she is, i might pull her for.
evelyn literally ties enemies up and beats them down, at this point she can perform worse than yellow anby i'm still replacing her spice addicted ass
this is qingyi vs jane all over again
Soldier's closest saving grace could be if Eve has a relatively poor ult modifier. If we get a dedicated ult and decibel buffer, Soldier might be buffed harder with her higher ult mod (I think it's still the highest among Attackers).
Also still believe Attackers being worse off in comparison after the ult change is overblown and unironic gameplay skill issue on players part. If your gameplay means your attacker only gets one ult, adjust your gameplay.
I'd honestly be surprised if Astra is not better than Nicole in every way possible.
Astra is the first limited 5* support: Hoyoverse is going to want to make as much money with her as they can.
She should be, otherwise it'd be unfair to those who wanna pull for Astra
“Im no longer just like you, im an above average luck gamer that sacked Miyabi and her signature weapon in so few pulls you would cry.”
The thumbnail speaks to me personally. We need the other OBOL Squad members asap!
I have a fully build soldier 11. No I ain’t giving her up for a fire attacker 😅
Yes the drive set is meant for her, and also the buffs she provides is insane and of great value(more than Caesar even)
Whare are you getting this info from?
Yeah ofc she a support unit will be a better buffer than a defense unit
@@maughtayo Jstern
@@Hhhh22222-w Then why the hell does Caesar buff lol? She is supposed to be a defensive unit
@JunaidAnsari-my2cx I don't doubt she will be good, but there is still plenty that could change until the patch drops.
Gotta see the sniff boo on the evelyn ult without her jacket 👀
For me i always pull depending on a few factios:
*Pull for a character that will become the main star of a new team.
*Pull a character that will compliment one of my main teams.
Since i right now have a Zhu Yuan team and a Miyabi team. Both which feel very much complete. I am more looking for a new character to make an entire team out of.
While pulling for Miyabi I lost the 50/50 to S11 (then proceeded to pull miyabi on the next 10) and I'll say just this: even if she's going to stay benched forever, at least it wasn't nekomata
Can you keep your fingers crossed so that the same will happen to me too? It would be even better than winning 50/50 with just one additional 10 pull needed.
Yeah i just lost 50/50 to S11 too…
Wow! Guess who just spent alot of resources on Soldier 11 :D YAAAYY!!!!!! WOOHO!!!!!!!
sorry man
@@AverageLuckGamer It's fine though tbh. I still probably will use her over Evelyn, but that depends considering it's all speculation
and i just got soldier 11 on miyabi 50/50 lol. game musta felt bad because i was down to one last pull after and bam miyabi. yay
When Grant Gustin took the picture over Oliver Queen’s grave, I don’t think he ever realized he had made a meme that would be used for such a wide variety of situations for such a long time to come. It’s so good lol
Meta-defining Support VS Hot fire DPS, its Caesar VS Burnice all over again lol and I want both T.T
I agree, it would be a lot more interestng to see more attribute + character type combinations
Astra is a meta waifu and Evelyn is a mega waifu. I’m almost certainly pulling for Astra first. Evelyn, while her gameplay leaks and design look a little better to me, I will pull Astra first. Astra sounds so universally useful and meta, plus I still think she is hot…just not as hot as Evelyn. If I get lucky with Astra pulls and win 5050 and get her early I will not pull weapons and just go for Evelyn.
Fr, honestly I'm gonna skip miyabi's w-engine just for a chance to get them both (miyabi is destroying everything anyway). I'm tempted to get evelyn first because whip mommy, but Astra looks too good to miss out on (especially since I'm caesar-less), so I'll probably start with her.
@ it took me 170 pulls to get Miyabi and I only pay for the cheap things. It was rough and a bit frustrating. I am set on not becoming a whale even if I could technically do it a little. I’d rather be responsible with my money. This is why I pretty much never pull for engines. Now that we can walk around as our characters, getting a character has more weight to it.
I might skip her because I have a c6 Nicole 1:20
7:39 Oh no! You got me!
Started building S11 for the sake of 3rd team (came clutch with new endgame mode ngl) and I also have Koleda and Lighter. Evelyn reveal is my first "gooner" moment but now I feel bad for ditching S11 one day... but going to have as much fun with her as I can before Eve comes home.
Nichole's auto attack strings are super comfy it will be interesting to see how she plays on field
After skipped qingyi, i hope astra yao work with zhu yuan as currently i really need more damage booster for her team, caesar is nice but she stun slower than actual stunner (with my current team being zhu, caesar+ nicole)
Astra, Nicole, on field Zhu Yuan. Please make my dream come true, Hoyo.
ZY is still my favorite char in the game. I want a way to use her on field more and excuses to pull her mindscapes.
That is also the reason why I did not pull for Qingyi or Jane because I have a good Anby and Piper. I will pull for Astra but skip on Evelyn most likely.
Soldier 11 was my most wanted character, but the game decided to give one Koleda and two furries. Now, I'm hearing Koleda will be good with Evelyn, so I guess it was a blessing in disguise all along.
Nah, that's just jstern meming by trying to make her sound good. The only buff she gives works only when the enemy is already stunned and she's around 50% worst than Lighter for Evelyn.
base on the leak i saw there moveset feel like Genshin magic for me rather than the urban ether tech from zzz. I know it's kinda weird from someone that love playing Miyabi, the movesets feel like they have too much particle effect. I prefer the huge ass ether canon brief case and blade with fire charge backpack more so likely a skip for me from both of them but i guess that more like a me thing
both astra and eve looked like Genshin magical ✨ move sets?
Magical girl VFX only purple beams are quite underwhelming compared to what other agents have in ZZZ, I agree.
@@NonBinary_Star yea im more of a gameplay feeling guy.I simply skip Ceasar despite how meta she is simply because simple because her move feel gimmick to me. Then again i based my review on a leak so i could be wrong tho
@@KyberNaticI’m actually the opposite cuz even thought objectively her gameplay isn’t as good as other agents, controlling a staff character seems funny to me lol
I’m pulling for Astra 🙌
Astra is probably the more future proof pull, given how Robin and Ruan Mei only increased in value over the course of HSR and how good Lucy, Nicole and Caesar already are. Evelyn is undercut by the fact that I already have a good fire team with Burnice too. So yeah, probably going to prioritize Astra, unless Evelyn's kit convinces me otherwise.
Caesar is like Aventurine or Fu Xuan, Nicole and Lucy are like Tingyun and glasses girl
5:05 this is a funny game physics moment
I would love it if every banner was like what we have now with both limited characters running the full 6 weeks, but I agree it seems more like a special situation bc Haramasa is free and they know most people were going to want to skip for Miyabi anyways.
My read is about the same as yours; Astra will likely be the meta choice between the two. But… GOD Evelyn is so pretty. Like it’s ridiculous. And she seems to be voiced by one of my favorite VAs, Elizabeth Maxwell. Why must I already have fire covered by Burnice and S11!
On a slightly related note; the Astral Voice disc set technically has a higher ceiling for its buff than Swing Jazz, with three stacks of Astral granting a 24% buff vs Swing Jazz’s 15%. Swing Jazz is still a lot easier to set up though, so I’ll probably stick with it.
I'm in the same boat.
"If you're meta player you need to be insane to skip the first limited S-rank support that fits into any team comp unconditionally with 1500 ATK buff loaded with quick assists, otherwise you'll get tired of seeing her in every team comp recommendation".
But oh boi they cooked with Evelyn. Ultimate with armpit zoom followed by whole length thigh and leg zoom. Chain attack with giant spandex ass in your face. Fingers explosion followed by accentuated booba shake. Astra is an innocent class rep and Evelyn is a sex predator at this point, who can give Jane a fair fight.
Its unfortunate they’re powercreeping so early but i guess it is what it is
Powercreep is still objectively irrelevant if you can max clear content on all A Ranks.
Standard banners getting powercrept is normal, the whole point of standard banner units is to give players options for teams early on as people haven't built up the capital and investment to pull limited units
it's standard character, so it's normal in any gacha games
To all the people saying "oh, it's a gscus game, standard units are going to be power crept" it's not the blanket fact that power creepings going on. It's the fact that it's happening so damn FAST.
By the time Evelyn and Yao's set to release, it would be just HALF A YEAR and all of the standard 5 stars would be power crept. Either directly power crept (Evelyn - S11, Yanagi - Grace, Lighter - Koleda) or indirectly (Lighter - Lycaon, Jane Doe - Neko, Yao - Rina, hell Miyabi - Ellen)
@@uperpie Pull your head out of your rear. All of those units are still great and are just as awesome as before... you can clear just fine and comfortably so with them. "OH NO I CANNOT CLEAR SHIYU IN 30s! It's NOW 40s! REEEE! POWER CREEP!"
Right now planning on waiting for more info on them and either choosing to pull for them or go for M1 Miyabi
since have 13 pulls + over 9000 Polychromes already after getting Miabiy and her weapon
Evelyn is sort of more tempting because no fire DPS on account, though could get once I get 32 more standard tapes though honestly right now feeling like picking up Rina instead(since currently only missing of said selection Solider 11, rina and Nekomiya) and I have Rina and Neko W engines so they do sort of make more sense even if missing a fire DPS.
Well I'll be breaking my thumb on the pull button for Chaotic Fried Rice
every character in this game is soooooooo good, that i cant resist pulling for every one of them
I'm so torn because I lost my 50/50 and I have Ellen (w-engin plus 2 mindscapes) with the standard ice team, so I don't know if it's best to leave her and get the 1.5 characters or chase the pity before the banner finishes.
If you are talking about Miyabi, it is better for you to skip imo. There are many posibilities in what 1.5 has to offer, and I personally don't enjoy miyabi that much despite her strength. I still find myself on-fielding Yanagi way more often in my desorder team(Love Nagi), and i'm not thinking about inserting miyabi by herself on any other team because I don't really like her gameplay. Besides, none of us are left with empty hands: Harumasa is not only free but fun. More fun personally than miyabi. If you already have an Ice team, you should build Haru and skip Miyabi and go for 1.5 banners. I didn't have a complete disorder team so that's why I pulled Miyabi, but If I had your option I would take it. Hope you find this helpful
@gabrieleduardoronlezama7757 thanks for the tip, I have a disorder team with Jane Caesar and burnice so I usually swap to that when I don't use my ice team, and I have lighter but I didin't build him. Now I need a good team for electric and fire so I think it's better for me to just wait for 1.5 (I can't even pull bcs I have every A rank maxed). I'm a low spender so now I gotta take advantage of those extra pull that I gained with offers this week.
From what I hear the banner change is supposed to happen to all 3 games, and it wasn't announced as an event like HSR's triple rerun event, so it should be permanent
Yall ain’t ready for the Woldier upscale when Obol drops 😤
Gonna wait for more info on them before I make a hard call, but if Astra does work with everyone I might pick her up. I didn't pick up Zhu Yuan, so my ether selection is kinda lackluster. At the same time, I do have Koleda and Lucy. Evelyn could slot into a nice fire team. However, I am going to have my free S rank for 300 pulls on the standard banner coming up. I could just get Soldier 11 from that and then get Astra. Obviously, Soldier 11 won't be as powerful as Evelyn, but she'd be good enough to give me a nice fire team for when I need one (like the current Deadly Assault.)
I appreciate this channel so much more after all the Miyabi whale content I put myself through
I think I've mentioned my S11, lighter, lucy team here before (I think) and Evelyn is going to need to be an absolute monster to convince me to pull her
As a thigh lover I will pull for Astra Yao.
Also I have already Soldier 11 and at the rate I loose my 50/50 she will probably be M2 before 2.0. So Evelyn will only be at best a sidegrade.
I planned out 3 teams of mine and now I'm waiting on Qingyi and Ceasar's reruns
Will probably pick up Astra (Qingyi/Astra/Zhu Yuan sounds hype), and Evelyn will need to really knock my socks off to get my attention. I am a S11 haver after all
For me whether or not I pull for Astra depends entirely on if Ellen gets a rerun in 1.5, I lost the 50/50 on her first time round and couldn’t get her so I need her when she’s back.
And I’ve already decided to pull for Evelyn because she looks sick as hell 😩
That's a very specific prediction for Evelyn's ult 👀. I think Astra will be a must pull for me, Evelyn may be a yolo pull depending on whoever comes after.
Honestly i wouldn't drop Solider 11 just yet. I thought with Miyabi now out my Ellen wouldn't see any use on my account anymore but with the new endgame mode Deadly Assult where we currently have 2 bosses with Ice weakness i couldn't be more wrong. So in the future where we need 2 Fire dmg dealers Soldier 11 will still see usage.
For me who has not pulled Ceasar. I think I should pull for astra
Pretty diabolical to release the first limited support agent right after Miyabi, along with a very tempting fire DPS. In trying times like these we need every polychrome we can get our hands on...
There were a bunch of new codes released with 1.4 for those who didn't see them yet:
ZZZASSEMBLE
MIYABIRELEASE
HARUMASAFREE
ZZZFM
HSAHLWFEFE
between them they netted me 240 poly just now 👍
Unfortunately, unless she'd be an outright good choice for Miyabi, I ain't pulling for her. Already threw all 300 of my saved tapes at the fox Vergil.
Lol same i saved for ages but I lost 50/50 twice 😢 Got M1W1 and trying for M2 slowly
I already have a well build S11, and I really want Hoyoverse to know that we want nore supports, so yeah, Astra's where I'm at atm
I'm glad Evelyn is a Fire Attacker.
Soldier has cool design, and aolid kit for a newbie player, but if youre even somewhat skilled at this game, her gameplay feels very basic with little room for skill expression.
I also still don't have a copy, and I dont want to use my selector on her.
I chose S11 out of the 300 standard banner pulls...
S11 definitely came out way too early. She doesn't even have her final friendship mission to max out her friend level.
I think it's a shame to see a new fire attack agent when we already have one.
But I'll definitely get Evelyn.
Ngl these two new Agents looking hella generic. Anime Girl template looking ahhh
My poor girl gonna get power crept before we even see the rest of her team...fuck, before she even gets a damn wallpaper! 😂
Really hope they give the Obol squad some love. Astra and Evelyn seem useful and effective but I'll stick with my S11.
I wonder what the deal is with Soldier 11 being added ao early and seems to be last to get any finished content. I wonder if something happened during development or if there is a good story related reason for this
I got fire agents but not as DPS but I can work around that ( I don't have the following Fire agents --> S11 and Lighter ).
As for ( Ether Element ) I only have Nicole so.... you know were I'm going with this 😂😅
Saw a leak of Evelyn walking, reminded me of my main Jane… instantly will pull for her and m6 her like Jane and support characters are a automatic pull , never needed miyabi so I won’t pull for her
Man, this kinda sucks for me. I left right before Burnice's release and only came back with Miyabi and Harumasa. Issue is that I pulled Miyabi early, and now I have a ton of Polychrome from all the content I missed, and I don't care for Astra or Evelyn... I would love to have pulled for Yanagi, Burnice or Lighter for my Miyabi. But it looks like from the leaks, the reruns for these guys are really far away. The only ones we have leaked are Ellen and Zhu Yuan
As someone new to the game and also lost to S11 (LMAO so IRONIC) i am depressed lol. So would like more about Astra
I was always complaining how I never pulled Soldier 11 and had literally no fire DPS other than Ben until I got a lucky draw on Burnice. I guess the good thing about it is that I don't have to say goodbye to Soldier 11 now because I never said hello 😅
In terms of waifu pick I would still prefer S11 over Evelyn, but I got a lucky draw on Burnice, so... 🤤
I have M6 Nicole, so Astra’s value is severely diminished. I never snagged Solder 11, so I’m definitely going to pull for Evelyn.
But the rumor is retuning banners are hitting with the next update: Astra/Ellen & Evelyn/Zhu Yuan.
I grabbed Ellen and lost 50/50 for Zhu Yuan. Now I’m struggling to decide how to pull as an ALG.
Hopefully saving since Miyabi’s release will bring me luck, but I’m up for a 50/50 next S-rank pull.
With the addition of these new characters, is hard for me as a F2P to think of who should i pull after getting Miyabi, i mean, is there any character better than her? Is there any character COOLER than her? Will it ever exist one? The answer is simple, no. So i'll save for M6 on her rerun and that's my only goal.
I lost my 50/50 to soldier 11 twice now already, so I just use her with Burnice and Lucy. Also Astra is the way more obvious waifu pick to me, especially with that hang out quest we got with her. (Also I just prefer her design way more)
I'm basically for
d to skip next patch due to M6'ing Miyabi. Sure the characters look good; but I trust ZZZ to make good looking new characters by now. It's not like S11 or Nicole are doing poorly rn either (Especially since I lost 2 50/50s to S11 (now M4) pulling for Miyabi). So I think I'll let them keep their jobs for now.
Hey hoyo. Wheres the ether agents? So far theres a whole bunch of every other element but exactly 2 for ether
I'm probably going to pull for evelyn when the next patch rolls around simply because I don't have S11 yet and I'd rather have a guarantee to get her rather than fighting against RNG and hoping for S11 on standard tbh
I'm lacking in fire agents so it's more ideal for me than astra, especially because I missed burnice and lighter LMAO
I was just finished leveling S11 on my alt. and about to farm disc when they announced Evelyn. Now I'm unsure should I keep building her.
Well you can farm disk's ,
One of my biggest complaints about this game for a long time has been the way they have chosen to do limited character design and I mean that in multiple ways. But specifically to what this video is talking about I hate that half of our limited characters have been element/role combinations that we already have in the game. As early as 1.1 with Jane and Qingyi, we were already getting overlap characters (Piper and Anby respectively). Every other patch we get characters that are arguably power creep characters on existing standard banner characters. At this point, half the standard banner S-ranks have already been overlapped (Grace, Koleda, and now Soldier 11). Honkai had one limited character that overlapped a standard character in all of version 1 and it wasn't until version 2 that they started getting more and even then only one of the standard 5 stars has been overlapped. It would be less frustrating in ZZZ if it weren't for the fact that the roster is still so lopsided. We are finally getting a new Ether character and they are essentially replacing Nicole. We have 7 electric and fire characters as of Evelyn and will still have only 3 Ether and 4 Ice characters. Its like certain elements and roles they just forget existing.
Powercreep only affects people who decide to be pathetic meta slaves like yourself and have no self control. Us other people, who have actual brains, will carry on using the standards because they clear everything, not be useless slaves swayed by numbers AND pull for the characters we like the look of :)
I need them both. Can't ever afford to pull W-engines if ZZZ is never going to give me a few patches I can skip pulling for characters, lol.
No one can replace Nicole in my heart
If S11 is Yoimiya level at current game state, I would be upset. But new stronger fire dps doesn't make her weak anyway, she's still doing her job. And with Miyabi+Astra draining your pulls...
I feel like soldier will still be able to clear, she scales somewhat well and her teams are really flexible, so she’s ain’t going anywhere
Only interested in Evelyn, but I keep reading that Astra is a healer unit with her Ultimate. Is this bs? I skipped Caesar and it's the only regret I have due to her survivability boost for end game. I dont want to make the same mistake again. I don't have the time or energy to get good.
so far evelyn is kind of shit unfortunately. its not just her damage being mid her kit seems clunky and borderline unusable if the enemy is aggressive or you don't have caesar. which considering the most notable fire weak enemy we have is insanely aggressive that makes evelyn feel terrible. there is also not a single set in the game that actually feels right for her all of them have significant downsides.
7:41 you summed it up! Also I don’t have a fire dps
I dont have S11 yet but I'll still try and get her as well as Evelyn because yes
Yeah I got s11 and her wengine early and built her up to try out with burnice, but dropping her for Eveyln drip. Plus I'm betting she's gonna be easier to pilot than s11 so that's a no brainer for my boomer hands haha
Speaking of S characters being different from the A ranks, I am still crossing my fingers for an Ether Defense unit.
Should I LVL up Soldier 11? Cus I've got her M1 and signature
Problaby yes! She is quite a good agent and she can be your character for fire weakness stages!
(But still, you need to see if you like playing her, so problaby test her a bit before doing that!)
Nobody can tell you what you should upgrade. It's your account and meta is irrelevant in a solo game.
uh... maybe wait? See if you're interested in Evelyn first.
@@Luftgitarrenprofi your comment is useless 💕
@@THET1RAMISU Since you were an ass for no reason, you should pull. I'm just saying this so yo uwill have less pulls and have to swipe and thus risk bankruptcy. Some one gives you straight facts, then you spit in their face? Nah. Pull. You need to pull because you need power. You need meta. You don't want to be a loser, right? Pull. Spend money also, when you lose the fifty fifty. Just keep pulling for M6. Trust. She's the best unit...
Maybe its a skill issue on my part, but I couldn't clear deadly assount with a well built Soldier 11, Ceasar and Lucy. Can't even break the A rank on Pompey which is suposed to be a good matchup