The only biggish thing not covered here is bearing type. To have a shaft spinning in a hole you have to deal with friction somehow. You could just have both surfaces extremely smooth, but that won't last even if they're incredibly tough as well as they will still rub and before to long seize up or worse. I've never heard of a fan built that way. Therefore you have bearing. From a simple ball bearing type with a bit of oil for lube, some rely on a form of fluid suspension and even a kind of maglev. With many variations of each and no doubt types a rank amateur such as myself has never heard of. I do know some types prefer horizontal or vertical mounting for longest life. The type also affects the noise levels a bit. Needless to say this also affects the cost of the fan as well.
You've definitely heard of fans running a shaft in a hole. They're the cheapest ones and use sleeve bearings but for the most part companies have moved on from these. Literally a metal tube with the shaft spinning inside it , usually with oil or grease inside to keep the friction down. Some newer types such as "fluid dynamic bearings" are a modification of the simple sleeve bearing. Ball bearings are less common since they're more expensive and the bearing itself takes up significantly more space.
@Lurch Flowrate is largely covered with the CFM, but some info on Static Pressure. Generally more is better in all cases, only it can come with a CFM penalty. As CFM is measured in free air it's a bit hard to figure out how much back pressure something like a radiator or heatsink will cause, and if it would be better to look for a fan with a lower CFM but that can handle higher static pressure.
A cool thing that I think was missed on the video were ‘daisy chained ‘ fans like the Lian Li SL120 fans and those after. Makes for excellent cable management
I love when someone is capable to create a synthesis from his own experience on a subject. One (important) thing I would've loved to hear about fans: types of fans (fluid bearing and all that) maglevs and FDB being the best performance from what I heard
your videos are reading my mind now i never researched why my fans were noisy besides running on default fan settings but was curious on how to fix the issue. thanks again.
Perfect video I needed from my favourite creator. As a new builder this had confused me but i was too lazy to figure it out, now I get to watch Mr Salazar explain it to me during lunch, life is good
The throwback to your older video about PWM fans reminded me of the video of yours that I watched about the difference between air coolers and AIOs. The info from that video stuck with me to this day! You mentioned that air coolers are "basically" safer/hassle-free compared to AIOs in terms of failure points, and also that air coolers get cooler much faster than AIOs after a stress-test or load. And because of that video I got a noctua NH-D15 chromax for its performance and looks (imo). TL;DR, thank you for what you do! I really love seeing 'updated takes' on older types of videos.
Good video Greg. Somethings to add: - Bearing types not discussed 😇🧐 - Avoid molex connector fans where possible 🤣😂😅 - Avoid non-standard proprietary connectors such as certain 2-pin and 5-pin fans as they sometimes need a specific brand/type of hub to run properly
Shhh, repinning 12V moles fans to run at 5v, the og noktua LNA..at least until LED fans came in and it wasn't quite enough, let me tell you about the original PGA Athlons on Socket 462...you think fermi cards and loud case fans are loud? 6000RPM cpu coolers, you wanna know where arctic cooling started? Right here with their original cooler with that shroud hub design that was popular on the Freezer 7 and 64 later on..if people are annoyed when fans ramp up under load on these new CPUs, then they are too young/new into the PC space to remember busted GPU bearing fans on early 3D Cards, crappy pentium 166mhz stock fan hubs and whiny hard drive motors that will get drowned out by cpu n case fans at stupid RPMs until the bearings give up or magnetic drive fans..which were actually quiet in comparison, when CnQ/ Smart mode came in on later sockets, then PWM fans n headers finally coming in on socket 775 and AM2, it was bigger than a graphics card launch, buuut we still had to deal with crappy GPU fans for a while :p
Short question, at 6:50 you begin explaining that the Noctua has a higher static pressure and is therefore more suited for radiators, but looking at their datasheets, the Silent Wings Pro 4 has an air pressure of 5.31 (mm/H2O) and the Noctua only 2.61 (mm/H2O). Is there anything I'm overlooking? Thanks for the video!
It's theoretical, the whole segmentation of pressure and airflow fans were more appropriate in the early-mid 2010s when companies had different fan models (one for pressure, another for airflow). Most of the after-market fans nowadays are hybrid designs nowadays, optimised towards good acoustic performance or better RGB aesthetics. BeQuiet Silent Wings 4 alongside with the Noctua AF12 and Phanteks T30 are some of the best noise-normalised fan. Note the ultra-highspeed modes that the SW4 and T30 offers are rarely used since it's loud. When it comes to the high-end fans like the Noctua AF12 and BeQuiet Silent Wings 4 it all comes down the minute details. SW4 has better anti-vibration dampening and uses a 6-pole motor compared to the usual 4-pole. AF12 and the T30 uses LCP for their fan blades (a more rigid type of plastic) often resulting in better noise-normalised performance on the benchmark charts. But honestly once you get into this price bracket, things get subjective and reviews never mention how the motor sounds -- they're all going to be whisper quiet to the point where how a motor sounds at low rpms do matter.
I'm build a personal PC for the first time and I was so confused about the fans as there is tons of varieties in the market, considering the top tiers I was still tangled between manufacture like corsair, Nzxt , noctua etc but watching your video help me understand about the fans and now I know what I'm looking for, Thanks Greg. oh, surely can't miss on the RGB's, it gives you more FPS. 😁
Depending on how exotic you may want to go you could mention the short lived TMD, or Tip Magnetic Drive fans. They were an interesting solution to a non existing problem. Well I could find a use for them if I really tried, but those are so few and far between that it's borderline ridiculous. Other things you could talk about is fan blade shape versus the shape of the struts holding the motor. Some are simple and some have different interesting shapes. These change the sound of the fans in quite interesting ways. Another thing is the change in sound depending on how the fan is mounted. In general a fan get louder if it is obstructed on the side it sucks the air in than if the same obstruction is blown through.
Hey Greg perfect video, only thing that’s not covered are the daisy chain fans like lian li(awesome for cable management and declutter) or, even more awesome the new Swafans from Thermaltake That allows you to switch blades from intake to exhaust. Cheers!
Nice video. Buyers might want to watch for proprietary connections when shopping for fans. Take Corsair for instants. I've even found special connectors within the same brand ( Deep Cool). i have a 3 pack (Rf120M) with 5v aRGB and a AIO (LS520 240mm) with 12v RGB. I had to get a splitter that has both to wire to my MoBo. (12v RGB). Lots of wires!!!
@@GregSalazar I Grew out of RGB. I replaced all my RGB fans with thermaltake Toughfans (A copy of the Noctua nf a12 and 99% identical performance according to comparisons) in my huge Cooler Master HAF 700 case. Man the airflow in there is crazy. By the way Greg I love your content and also I've learnt a lot from your fix or flop videos and because of that I've been able to fix a few of my friends PC. Keep up the great work my friend.
I was going to comment this exact same thing. Corsair, Phanteks, Lian Li, Thermaltake, and probably some other brands use proprietary cables that DO NOT work with other brands. Make sure you measure twice and cut once when picking the fans for your build! :)
Good video, but I would like to add some things. The reasons that fans might be more expensive than others are: what kind of material the fans are made off, the fan blade design and last but not least, customer service (although not that common, but Noctua is a good example).
Hi Greg, love your videos by the way. One thing that you could mention in maybe a part 2 is the static pressure of the fan. I find the higher the static pressure, the better it is as a radiator fan for cooling a cpu as it is able to more effectively move air through the fins of the rad, which in turn will add to the cooling effect. Correct me If I am wrong.
I would love a video about "PWM fan controller hubs". How they work, what you can and can't do, cheap vs more expensive (branded), hub vs splitters, etc. I ordered myself a stack of pwm fans, its gonna be some time till they all arrive. Now that my mobo only has 4 fan headers, I need to look into some fan controller hubs. Seems like it would be the perfect continuation to this video.
hey Greg, would you help me with this? i have a set of fans in my case, it is not brushless but it don't have that hole to lubrificate... what should i do? one is making noise and i think it need to be lubrificated
I really like, and use, Phanteks T30x120 fan on my 120mm AIO in my SFF build, keeping my Ryzen 9 5900X below 60 degC (and 68 degC running Cinebench R23).
Also look into bearing types. I think Jay (Jaystwocents on youtube) and likely Steve (gamers nexus) has talked a bit about this topic. Just don't remember the exact episodes.
Hello Greg. Maybe a part 2 covering the other things mentioned in the comments. One thing that never seems to get spoken about is that a smaller fan (where a larger one could fit) potentially has air being drawn from the many holes that are intended for the larger size fan. This could make the air flow less effective. Personally I place tape over the extra holes so that the only holes the fan can blow out or in of are the holes that the fan itself covers. I hope that made sense.
One thing to mention is that while there are airflow and static pressure fans, there are also hybrids. Which alot of companies use and put in cases as stock fans. Phanteks for example f120sk is a hybrid fan
Phanteks T30 and the Noctua A12x25 are the holy grail for static pressure and narrowly beat the dark wing 4 pro so I feel like there's some bias tbh. This is more of a crash course than a full comparison.
Since watching your vids I started to think of building my own gaming rig, the last time I built a gaming PC was like more than 10yrs ago, before I got a family of my own. But since my priorities shifted to the family's well-being first I find it hard to start.
Good video for people trying to learn about fans since it is one of the most overlooked things for new builders that can make a huge impact in thermals.
Fans with rgb are significantly more effective in cooling as the red and blue color wavelengths creates a nitrogen and oxygen molecule doppler shift thereby increasing airflow volume and speed across the fan blades. Fans that emit narrower color wavelengths tend to be more expensive than those that just use broadspectrum color.
Maybe a good follow up point to hit would be showing how to tune 3 pin fans (and 4 pin too i suppose), I remember when I built my first PC that was kinda confusing to me, especially 3 pin. Now I actually find 3 pin just fine once I'm in the Bios.
I'm kinda shocked you're right!! Comparing the same dia/rpm/wattage models. Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3k SP 2.119/W be quiet AP 1.475/W High SP fans, generally have more blades with a more aggressive profile to prevent back pressure losses (like what a turbo or supercharger impeller does). Noctua have got something squirrelly, ... or some voodoo black magic going on there, I tell ya:) Their blade to blade gap must be much better optimised. Also, obviously the be quiet! is missing 2 blades to be truly functional;)
Hi Greg, you should mention the Lian li fans can connect up to 4 fans with 1 wire which is why i choose them, 9 fans and 3 wires vs corsair 9 fans and 18 wires a no brainer.
PC fans are the ones I have the hardest time studying for when I built my first PC. Up to this day I still don't fully know what to do especially when it comes to the headers. I don't even want to bother delving into rgb fans 😅
Great timing for this video. My build will start when I get the Ryzen 7700x in this week. Question: I purchased the Thermalright Peerless Assassin RGB cooler for my Ryzen 7700x. I also purchased 2 addition case fans, also Thermalright RGB. Can I daisy chain the 2 additional case fans with the CPU fans, and use the single CPU fan plug on the motherboard (ASUS B650E-F), or should I connect the 2 case fans to their own fan port? Thanks for a great video.
You often can daisy chain up to 4 fans for each header unless you're doing something crazy like putting a server or delta fan onto the case. Daisy-chaining the case fans with the CPU fans isn't commonly done since all those fans will follow the CPU temp curve. You usually want the case fans to be on its own separate header / ie. its own fan curve.
@@silvershines thanks. Now that you said that, it makes more sense to leave the CPU fans alone, and just plug the remaining fans into a separate MB header.
No mention of bearing types at all? Maybe do a part-2 to this that explains the difference between fluid, hydro, sleeve, rifle and ball bearing and their pros/cons. The bearing type often used in marketing and it's important to be able to tell whether it's important or just marketing bs fluff.
Also larger fans lose static pressure. 140 mm fans will have less static pressure than a 120mm. Reason why you don’t see 200mm aio’s because the static pressure is terrible (besides a couple of 200m aio prototypes.)
This generalization doesn't quite hold up. Many brands offer both expensive and cheap fans to appeal to wider markets. Like we said, it often has to do with the type of bearing used, blade QC and design, PWM support, RGB support, etc. etc.
on that rog cooler you showed. they quietly changed to their own oem rgb fans that are drastically worse then the noctua and are charging more for it. i got caught out by this and had to purchase the notuca by its self meaning my cooler set up cost me 650aud. there is no media about the change and when i contacted asus to say there is no media of the change only a difference of product page on the sellers websites to then get told it comes with noctuas by two customer support to then get told by a third nope it comes with rgb fans deal with it
One of my favorite ways of explaining pressure vs. airflow: how you try to cool or heat up food with your breath. When you're trying to cool something, you purse your lips and blow. Try it now, put your hand up and blow some air. You can feel strong pressure at even a good distance from your mouth. That's how pressure-optimized fans move air. It's not a lot of air, but it's moving it _fast_. Great for getting around obstacles (such as hard drives or fin stacks), but if you're trying to cool something that isn't in the path you're gonna have a rough time. And think of how you try to add some heat with your breath. You open your mouth wide and push out all the air as fast as you can. Try the hand thing again. You can feel the air hitting a lot more of your hand when it's close to your mouth, but it'll be barely felt about an ell away. That's how airflow-optimized fans work, they're just trying to chuck as much air as they can. These are great for exhausting hot air out of a case, or pushing cool air toward a GPU. If you tried both of those breaths, you'll also notice that you can blow air a lot longer when your lips are pursed than when your mouth is open. Since your lungs have a (roughly) set capacity, we can intuit that pressure-optimized air movement moves less air than airflow optimized. And wouldn't you know, that's exactly what we see when we look at the air displacement of fans!
After so many years, we barely managed to forced them into making black fans...its gonna be a long wait till the possibility of us getting the white Noctua fans fam.
I use the Razer Chroma ARGB Hub. I'm running 13 fans 3 RGB stribs, Ek GPU block, Ek cpu block and Ek 360 flat reservoir. Something close to 250 LEDs. I really enjoy everything in my system being linked to one RGB program. Then I have Razer mouse and keyboard and mousemat as well 😂
@@GregSalazar that is the downside. It's clunky and bloated and constantly updates. But it's nice having everything in one program. And doing it this way doesn't allow programs like Signal RGB to grab the led, (hub is hooked up via usb2.0 port).
The only biggish thing not covered here is bearing type. To have a shaft spinning in a hole you have to deal with friction somehow. You could just have both surfaces extremely smooth, but that won't last even if they're incredibly tough as well as they will still rub and before to long seize up or worse. I've never heard of a fan built that way. Therefore you have bearing. From a simple ball bearing type with a bit of oil for lube, some rely on a form of fluid suspension and even a kind of maglev. With many variations of each and no doubt types a rank amateur such as myself has never heard of. I do know some types prefer horizontal or vertical mounting for longest life. The type also affects the noise levels a bit. Needless to say this also affects the cost of the fan as well.
You've definitely heard of fans running a shaft in a hole. They're the cheapest ones and use sleeve bearings but for the most part companies have moved on from these. Literally a metal tube with the shaft spinning inside it , usually with oil or grease inside to keep the friction down. Some newer types such as "fluid dynamic bearings" are a modification of the simple sleeve bearing.
Ball bearings are less common since they're more expensive and the bearing itself takes up significantly more space.
@Lurch Flowrate is largely covered with the CFM, but some info on Static Pressure. Generally more is better in all cases, only it can come with a CFM penalty. As CFM is measured in free air it's a bit hard to figure out how much back pressure something like a radiator or heatsink will cause, and if it would be better to look for a fan with a lower CFM but that can handle higher static pressure.
Just a quick mention on fan bearing types, as these affect price, longevity, and sometime even noise levels.
A cool thing that I think was missed on the video were ‘daisy chained ‘ fans like the Lian Li SL120 fans and those after. Makes for excellent cable management
I'm a big fan of this channel
I love when someone is capable to create a synthesis from his own experience on a subject.
One (important) thing I would've loved to hear about fans: types of fans (fluid bearing and all that)
maglevs and FDB being the best performance from what I heard
Great informative video as always Gregg! ❤
This has actually been very educational and I've been building PCs since the 90s.
Great vid. Needed a refresher for a first build in 13 years, cheers
Amazing video! I was actually recently checking out some fan options
your videos are reading my mind now i never researched why my fans were noisy besides running on default fan settings but was curious on how to fix the issue. thanks again.
Very informative video, please make a bigger one... Thanks💙
Perfect video I needed from my favourite creator. As a new builder this had confused me but i was too lazy to figure it out, now I get to watch Mr Salazar explain it to me during lunch, life is good
Very informative
The throwback to your older video about PWM fans reminded me of the video of yours that I watched about the difference between air coolers and AIOs. The info from that video stuck with me to this day! You mentioned that air coolers are "basically" safer/hassle-free compared to AIOs in terms of failure points, and also that air coolers get cooler much faster than AIOs after a stress-test or load. And because of that video I got a noctua NH-D15 chromax for its performance and looks (imo).
TL;DR, thank you for what you do! I really love seeing 'updated takes' on older types of videos.
Good video Greg. Somethings to add:
- Bearing types not discussed 😇🧐
- Avoid molex connector fans where possible 🤣😂😅
- Avoid non-standard proprietary connectors such as certain 2-pin and 5-pin fans as they sometimes need a specific brand/type of hub to run properly
Shhh, repinning 12V moles fans to run at 5v, the og noktua LNA..at least until LED fans came in and it wasn't quite enough, let me tell you about the original PGA Athlons on Socket 462...you think fermi cards and loud case fans are loud? 6000RPM cpu coolers, you wanna know where arctic cooling started? Right here with their original cooler with that shroud hub design that was popular on the Freezer 7 and 64 later on..if people are annoyed when fans ramp up under load on these new CPUs, then they are too young/new into the PC space to remember busted GPU bearing fans on early 3D Cards, crappy pentium 166mhz stock fan hubs and whiny hard drive motors that will get drowned out by cpu n case fans at stupid RPMs until the bearings give up or magnetic drive fans..which were actually quiet in comparison, when CnQ/ Smart mode came in on later sockets, then PWM fans n headers finally coming in on socket 775 and AM2, it was bigger than a graphics card launch, buuut we still had to deal with crappy GPU fans for a while :p
Great video!
Short question, at 6:50 you begin explaining that the Noctua has a higher static pressure and is therefore more suited for radiators, but looking at their datasheets, the Silent Wings Pro 4 has an air pressure of 5.31 (mm/H2O) and the Noctua only 2.61 (mm/H2O). Is there anything I'm overlooking? Thanks for the video!
It's theoretical, the whole segmentation of pressure and airflow fans were more appropriate in the early-mid 2010s when companies had different fan models (one for pressure, another for airflow). Most of the after-market fans nowadays are hybrid designs nowadays, optimised towards good acoustic performance or better RGB aesthetics.
BeQuiet Silent Wings 4 alongside with the Noctua AF12 and Phanteks T30 are some of the best noise-normalised fan. Note the ultra-highspeed modes that the SW4 and T30 offers are rarely used since it's loud. When it comes to the high-end fans like the Noctua AF12 and BeQuiet Silent Wings 4 it all comes down the minute details. SW4 has better anti-vibration dampening and uses a 6-pole motor compared to the usual 4-pole. AF12 and the T30 uses LCP for their fan blades (a more rigid type of plastic) often resulting in better noise-normalised performance on the benchmark charts. But honestly once you get into this price bracket, things get subjective and reviews never mention how the motor sounds -- they're all going to be whisper quiet to the point where how a motor sounds at low rpms do matter.
I'm build a personal PC for the first time and I was so confused about the fans as there is tons of varieties in the market, considering the top tiers I was still tangled between manufacture like corsair, Nzxt , noctua etc but watching your video help me understand about the fans and now I know what I'm looking for, Thanks Greg. oh, surely can't miss on the RGB's, it gives you more FPS. 😁
Depending on how exotic you may want to go you could mention the short lived TMD, or Tip Magnetic Drive fans. They were an interesting solution to a non existing problem. Well I could find a use for them if I really tried, but those are so few and far between that it's borderline ridiculous.
Other things you could talk about is fan blade shape versus the shape of the struts holding the motor. Some are simple and some have different interesting shapes. These change the sound of the fans in quite interesting ways.
Another thing is the change in sound depending on how the fan is mounted. In general a fan get louder if it is obstructed on the side it sucks the air in than if the same obstruction is blown through.
What about positive and negative pressure inside the case?
Hey Greg perfect video, only thing that’s not covered are the daisy chain fans like lian li(awesome for cable management and declutter) or, even more awesome the new Swafans from Thermaltake
That allows you to switch blades from intake to exhaust.
Cheers!
Nice video. Buyers might want to watch for proprietary connections when shopping for fans. Take Corsair for instants. I've even found special connectors within the same brand ( Deep Cool). i have a 3 pack (Rf120M) with 5v aRGB and a AIO (LS520 240mm) with 12v RGB. I had to get a splitter that has both to wire to my MoBo. (12v RGB). Lots of wires!!!
Yep, good point! Every now and then a proprietary connector shows up!
@@GregSalazar I Grew out of RGB. I replaced all my RGB fans with thermaltake Toughfans (A copy of the Noctua nf a12 and 99% identical performance according to comparisons) in my huge Cooler Master HAF 700 case. Man the airflow in there is crazy.
By the way Greg I love your content and also I've learnt a lot from your fix or flop videos and because of that I've been able to fix a few of my friends PC.
Keep up the great work my friend.
I was going to comment this exact same thing. Corsair, Phanteks, Lian Li, Thermaltake, and probably some other brands use proprietary cables that DO NOT work with other brands.
Make sure you measure twice and cut once when picking the fans for your build! :)
Big fan
A video to how organise the air flow in the case Will be really helpful
Good video, but I would like to add some things. The reasons that fans might be more expensive than others are: what kind of material the fans are made off, the fan blade design and last but not least, customer service (although not that common, but Noctua is a good example).
Nice vid greg
Hi Greg, love your videos by the way. One thing that you could mention in maybe a part 2 is the static pressure of the fan. I find the higher the static pressure, the better it is as a radiator fan for cooling a cpu as it is able to more effectively move air through the fins of the rad, which in turn will add to the cooling effect. Correct me If I am wrong.
You could include a section dedicated to different kinds of bearings.
Thank you!
Something you did not comment on, is magnetic floating fans, vs bearing style driven fans. Both have distinctive differences.
I would love a video about "PWM fan controller hubs". How they work, what you can and can't do, cheap vs more expensive (branded), hub vs splitters, etc.
I ordered myself a stack of pwm fans, its gonna be some time till they all arrive. Now that my mobo only has 4 fan headers, I need to look into some fan controller hubs.
Seems like it would be the perfect continuation to this video.
You da man, Greg!
hey Greg, would you help me with this? i have a set of fans in my case, it is not brushless but it don't have that hole to lubrificate... what should i do? one is making noise and i think it need to be lubrificated
Nice T-shirt dude! : ))
I really like, and use, Phanteks T30x120 fan on my 120mm AIO in my SFF build, keeping my Ryzen 9 5900X below 60 degC (and 68 degC running Cinebench R23).
this video couldnt have come at a better time ive been so confused about these
Also look into bearing types. I think Jay (Jaystwocents on youtube) and likely Steve (gamers nexus) has talked a bit about this topic. Just don't remember the exact episodes.
Look up a youtube channel called STS, the guy does so many fan reviews and has a really easy-to-digest noise-normalised graph.
Hello Greg. Maybe a part 2 covering the other things mentioned in the comments. One thing that never seems to get spoken about is that a smaller fan (where a larger one could fit) potentially has air being drawn from the many holes that are intended for the larger size fan. This could make the air flow less effective. Personally I place tape over the extra holes so that the only holes the fan can blow out or in of are the holes that the fan itself covers. I hope that made sense.
Greg , please consider making of more educational videos like this like on SSDs, processor, PSU and more.
Second this!!!!
One thing to mention is that while there are airflow and static pressure fans, there are also hybrids. Which alot of companies use and put in cases as stock fans. Phanteks for example f120sk is a hybrid fan
Phanteks T30 and the Noctua A12x25 are the holy grail for static pressure and narrowly beat the dark wing 4 pro so I feel like there's some bias tbh. This is more of a crash course than a full comparison.
@@PLr1c3rif you wanna have same crazy amount of static pressure get server fan they spin above 15000rpm
Since watching your vids I started to think of building my own gaming rig, the last time I built a gaming PC was like more than 10yrs ago, before I got a family of my own. But since my priorities shifted to the family's well-being first I find it hard to start.
Good video for people trying to learn about fans since it is one of the most overlooked things for new builders that can make a huge impact in thermals.
Good video on fans. But Yea like other said here I like hear about the bearing and other such goodies about PC fans.
Nice video
Fans with rgb are significantly more effective in cooling as the red and blue color wavelengths creates a nitrogen and oxygen molecule doppler shift thereby increasing airflow volume and speed across the fan blades. Fans that emit narrower color wavelengths tend to be more expensive than those that just use broadspectrum color.
Ah I get it now
I’m looking for a full atx case with dual 80mm rear fan mounts above the motherboard
For my fractal case i use 4 140mm arctic a rgb pst (3 front and 1 behind). And my aio is arctic 360 with p12 and i am happy with them.
I might've missed it, but you didn't mention fans that are p variant or f variant, also co variant
Maybe a good follow up point to hit would be showing how to tune 3 pin fans (and 4 pin too i suppose), I remember when I built my first PC that was kinda confusing to me, especially 3 pin. Now I actually find 3 pin just fine once I'm in the Bios.
I'm kinda shocked you're right!!
Comparing the same dia/rpm/wattage models.
Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3k SP 2.119/W
be quiet AP 1.475/W
High SP fans, generally have more blades with a more aggressive profile to prevent back pressure losses (like what a turbo or supercharger impeller does).
Noctua have got something squirrelly, ... or some voodoo black magic going on there, I tell ya:) Their blade to blade gap must be much better optimised. Also, obviously the be quiet! is missing 2 blades to be truly functional;)
Hi Greg, you should mention the Lian li fans can connect up to 4 fans with 1 wire which is why i choose them, 9 fans and 3 wires vs corsair 9 fans and 18 wires a no brainer.
Cooler Master Sickleflow 120 most underrated fans
PC fans are the ones I have the hardest time studying for when I built my first PC. Up to this day I still don't fully know what to do especially when it comes to the headers.
I don't even want to bother delving into rgb fans 😅
Great timing for this video. My build will start when I get the Ryzen 7700x in this week. Question: I purchased the Thermalright Peerless Assassin RGB cooler for my Ryzen 7700x. I also purchased 2 addition case fans, also Thermalright RGB. Can I daisy chain the 2 additional case fans with the CPU fans, and use the single CPU fan plug on the motherboard (ASUS B650E-F), or should I connect the 2 case fans to their own fan port? Thanks for a great video.
You often can daisy chain up to 4 fans for each header unless you're doing something crazy like putting a server or delta fan onto the case.
Daisy-chaining the case fans with the CPU fans isn't commonly done since all those fans will follow the CPU temp curve.
You usually want the case fans to be on its own separate header / ie. its own fan curve.
@@silvershines thanks. Now that you said that, it makes more sense to leave the CPU fans alone, and just plug the remaining fans into a separate MB header.
I have 9x 120mm silent wings 4 pro and 4x 140mm silent wings 4 pro in my rig, I dont hear a single noise under HS setup, bequiet woodoo magic kicks
Liked the Video but you didn't explain which fans our better for Radiators and How fan blade profile affects that.
The Only Fans that we need and want
The ML pro made the list 😂
I like them cuz is a good mix of pressure and airflow
Thanks Greg. Appreciate this. Helps me word the differences much better
No mention of bearing types at all? Maybe do a part-2 to this that explains the difference between fluid, hydro, sleeve, rifle and ball bearing and their pros/cons. The bearing type often used in marketing and it's important to be able to tell whether it's important or just marketing bs fluff.
Just bought a BeQuiet Silent wings 3 140mm... and now im watching this haha
Also larger fans lose static pressure. 140 mm fans will have less static pressure than a 120mm. Reason why you don’t see 200mm aio’s because the static pressure is terrible (besides a couple of 200m aio prototypes.)
This is actually crazy timing. Was just looking at videos like this, and boom, you uploaded one about it.
Love my Arctic P12 fans. Best, economical fans
Buying these fans would be great if I wasn’t poor, also nice vid u cured my boredom
Thanks for watching!
Arctic p12 5 pack
I’m a fan
👈this is a Greg Salazar fan
legends using noctua 😁😁😁😁
Would have liked to see advice of avoiding frying the fans by plugging into incorrect headers
Make video on RGB.
I always say most cost differences for anything are mostly due to brand.
This generalization doesn't quite hold up. Many brands offer both expensive and cheap fans to appeal to wider markets. Like we said, it often has to do with the type of bearing used, blade QC and design, PWM support, RGB support, etc. etc.
very nice greg
on that rog cooler you showed. they quietly changed to their own oem rgb fans that are drastically worse then the noctua and are charging more for it. i got caught out by this and had to purchase the notuca by its self meaning my cooler set up cost me 650aud. there is no media about the change and when i contacted asus to say there is no media of the change only a difference of product page on the sellers websites to then get told it comes with noctuas by two customer support to then get told by a third nope it comes with rgb fans deal with it
Aww, c'mon no discussion of bearing types!?
bro how's deepcool ones
wow how lucky my fans just went out lol
You ddn't talk about bearings
Unfortunately, my motherboard doesn't have ARGB headers, so I gotta use the controller that came with my case's fans.
Did you call silent wings 4 pro a "case fan"? The "pressure optimised" fan? Hmmmmm something is wrong here, I can feel it.
One of my favorite ways of explaining pressure vs. airflow: how you try to cool or heat up food with your breath.
When you're trying to cool something, you purse your lips and blow. Try it now, put your hand up and blow some air. You can feel strong pressure at even a good distance from your mouth. That's how pressure-optimized fans move air. It's not a lot of air, but it's moving it _fast_. Great for getting around obstacles (such as hard drives or fin stacks), but if you're trying to cool something that isn't in the path you're gonna have a rough time.
And think of how you try to add some heat with your breath. You open your mouth wide and push out all the air as fast as you can. Try the hand thing again. You can feel the air hitting a lot more of your hand when it's close to your mouth, but it'll be barely felt about an ell away. That's how airflow-optimized fans work, they're just trying to chuck as much air as they can. These are great for exhausting hot air out of a case, or pushing cool air toward a GPU.
If you tried both of those breaths, you'll also notice that you can blow air a lot longer when your lips are pursed than when your mouth is open. Since your lungs have a (roughly) set capacity, we can intuit that pressure-optimized air movement moves less air than airflow optimized. And wouldn't you know, that's exactly what we see when we look at the air displacement of fans!
Their all fans😂✌️
My memory is at 100% all the time any ideas why?
Breaking Benjamin shirt?
tasteful RGB...
I am a boomer and in love with 200mm huge fans.. also anti RGB.. Struggle is real 😆
its like he knows when im trying to find replacement fans
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Wish noctua released white version of their fans
After so many years, we barely managed to forced them into making black fans...its gonna be a long wait till the possibility of us getting the white Noctua fans fam.
No one in the Orlando area can help me out? I'm at Disney World with the family and I've ran out of the devil lettuce so I'm in need!!!!!
I’m a different type of PC fan though.
Do all motherboards have the same amount of ARGB and RGB heathers? Any specific boards you would recommend for someone who loves RGB?
Asus and msi should work well enough if you want (A)RGB
You got quite some fans Greg
I'm a fan hoarder.
I use the Razer Chroma ARGB Hub. I'm running 13 fans 3 RGB stribs, Ek GPU block, Ek cpu block and Ek 360 flat reservoir. Something close to 250 LEDs.
I really enjoy everything in my system being linked to one RGB program. Then I have Razer mouse and keyboard and mousemat as well 😂
I'm really not a fan of the current Razer software. Bit of a nightmare IME.
@@GregSalazar that is the downside. It's clunky and bloated and constantly updates. But it's nice having everything in one program.
And doing it this way doesn't allow programs like Signal RGB to grab the led, (hub is hooked up via usb2.0 port).
Good fan have gotten too expensive.
I am looking to get new fans but just can not jutify paying so much for a fan
fans are so complicated nowadays....
Hello! :D
My fans: rgb don't work right
Molex fans are obviously the best
it's tru
@@GregSalazar I purposefully throw out my molex cables just because they give my PC that much of a performance boost.
To get rid of that annoying windows activation ad, skip 0:27-0:47 😁
Hahah it's literally 20 seconds :-) If ya want _annoying,_ we could make it 120 seconds!
@@GregSalazar just messing w/ ya Greg 🤣
RGB the bedazzler of the computer world.
Subscribed to your new only fans content. Amazing, worth the free.99 a month. Good work Greg!
🎉 hello fellow pc builders and gamers
I only use be quiet! fans. Period. Black, quiet, effective. I hate RGB.